Boy Suspended for Bringing Bible To School Files Suit
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A San Diego-area teen suspended for bringing his Bible to school and talking about his faith has filed a lawsuit against the school district, the superintendent, an assistant principal, and a teacher.
In January 2010, 16-year-old Kenneth Dominguez was suspended for two days from Gateway East High School for violating a teacher’s order not to bring his Bible to school and not to discuss his faith with others. Dominguez’s Bible was even confiscated by that teacher, who said Dominguez’s actions violated “separation of church and state:”
“He didn’t give any sermons or yell or scream… just sharing his faith with other students. That was it,” Brad Dacus, Dominguez’s attorney, told KGTV, adding that we don’t live in communist China.
Even the ACLU is calling the case a “clear” free-speech violation.
But a spokeswoman for the Grossmont Union High School District — the district named in the suit — contends there’s much more to the story. She couldn’t elaborate, however, to KGTV because of federal privacy laws.
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Comments (262)
delhoghe
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:10pmOkay, let me see if I have this right. The teacher is an Anti- American, communist, Obama supporter, the school system hates Hispanics, the A.C.L.U. is worthless, And there might be a Bible, Torah, or Quran in a school teacher’s desk. The article I read doesn’t state any of that.
Report Post »thetwilightzone
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:10pm40 years ago (when I was just a kid) I had an aunt that use to talk about how the Christians would be prosecuted and you would be forced to decide to stand up for your religion or face terrible consequences. I always thought she was “crazy” because NEVER in this country would that every happen. We are an enlightened, free country. It is so hard to believe where our country has gone in that 40 years. We have lost our freedom of religion and our freedom of speech and the “American Dream”, which is the opportunity to improve your standing in life.
Report Post »obama_binpharteen
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:20pmTHETWILIGHTZONE
It’s not where our country has gone in the last 40 years, more like the last 2 years. At the age of 48, I’ve never seen anything like what has transpired in the last year or so, and it scares the hell out of me.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:30pm@TWILIGHTZONE~~~~ 40 years ago I was in my mid 20′S, and a new book had just come out, The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey. I knew in my heart and soul then that this would happen in my lifetime, and it I am astounded that it HAS happened and in AMERICA. DEAR, DEAR GOD, we did fall asleep at the wheel. I also learned years ago to pray through an event, so I keep on praying for our recovery now, but also THROUGH this mess to the other side of it whether that be what others and I call THE RAPTURE, or later THE SECOND COMING.
JESUS IS ON HIS WAY BACK “in the twinkling of an eye”. Until HE calls us or gets here, we’ve got some heavy-duty work to do! And, backing up this kid is part of it.
GOD BLESS AND PROTECT IN JESUS’ NAME, AMEN!
Report Post »brntout
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:43pm@ O_B Second that.Used to have faith in fellow Americans but trust is coming at a higher price.
Report Post »FiveFreedoms
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:10pmThe teacher is a F@#$ing moron. As a teacher she should know what the separation of church and state really means.
Report Post »BlackCrow
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:08pmCali (nutcase) fornia
Where else can you have Islam day and make the kids perform the prayers and that is NOT a violation of separation even if it is a part of the curriculum.
Report Post »momsense
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:08pmWatch your step—-haters like this usually embellish whatever this kid did by selecting miniscule actions and blowing them all put of porportion. While they crucify this kid —hundreds of haters who are atheists continually get a pass. Would they do this if the kid were a Muslim —–bet your a**they wouldn’t.
Report Post »xoke
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:08pmI’m amazed this lady is allowed to teach. Number one, there is no “seperation of church and state” to be found in the constitution. It’s basically case law bastardization based on a letter written by Thomas Jefferson prior to the constitution. Number two, if there was it wouldn’t be applicable here…as he is a student and she is a teacher, meaning she would be representing the state. An individual can do as they please, the state…and it’s representatives (the teacher in this case) cannot. How come a dumb cowboy like me can understand this and a teacher cannot?
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:37pmI guess cause you’re not somdumb afterall, cowboy.
Report Post »rienheart
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:02pmIdiot Teachers, got no clue.
Report Post »obama_binpharteen
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:01pmCan someone local to this school please find their email address so we can give them a piece of our mind? I bet if this was a Muslim kid bringing in the quran, it would have been just fine.
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:35pmThis happened over a year ago and the kid has since moved on to another school in the district. At this point there may be some need of legal and financial assitance. You may want to do some research regarding the family and the Atty. who is representing the family. They may have a fund and web site set up already. Giving the school and district a piece of your mind at this point would be a waste of your time and energy.
Report Post »Stevsea
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:00pmAdditionally, this conflict with separation of church and state. When will these numb nut teachers and politicians do a little lesson for them selves and learn that there is NO law on that subject. Unbelievable!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:59amI hope he bankrupts everyone involved, especially the individuals involved. Personal pain is the inly thing that will get through these idiot bureaucrats’ heads.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:59amSocialist are at the point where they feel they can do anything they want .More and more it seems they can do just that.
MeiguoGuiZi
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:58amActually, in Communist China, Chinese people can discuss any Religion they want to. They just can’t hear about it from outsiders. So in a way, this school is worse than Communist China.
Also, Separtation of Church and State only applies to the….wait for it…. State and the Church, not individual citizens.
Report Post »Stevsea
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:57amThe ACLU??? Really?? Is this the same ACLU that fought so hard against the WWI memorial cross way out in the Mohave desert?? It just shows their incredibility and uselessness as an organization. They’ll take up with any side just to create a problem.
teachermitch32
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:29pmExcuse me, but I believe the ACLU is on the side of the kid in this case. Sometimes you have to actually read the article and absorb it before you can espouse an opinion.
Report Post »tierrah
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 1:59amAfter reading a few previous posts on this article, I‘m wondering if the ALCU is on the kid’s side because he is an illegal alien = not because they support any sort of religious freedom … another comment that made me think that was the one dealing with “couldn’t reveal anymore information because of Fed privacy issues”. Guess I’m too suspicious and cynical anymore.
Report Post »bellasbrat
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:57amThat idiot teacher needs to educate herself on the 1st Amendment. This is clearly not a situation of Congress “making a law establishing religion.” She has no business teaching if she can’t do any better than that!!
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:24pm@BELLASBRAT ~~ Let’s see….could she be muslime? mexican? any other import? could she be elitist , communist, marxist, socialist? stupid? And, where is her separation of personal beliefs and those of the district, the state, the CONSTITUTION? Helllooooo?????
Report Post »davidwjohnson
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:56amSo when did personal belief become “church” and public school become “state”?
FYI: For those who study history, this is a wonderful learning moment to see first-hand how a civilization slowly breaks down, collapses, and disappears.
Report Post »David Pasztor
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:54amSo it’s illegal for the kid to bring his Bible to school, but it would be ok if a muslim kid wears his cerimonial dagger in school !! Go figure america !!
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:25pmAs announced in one of the previous posts, the knife/ dagger issue was not Islam, it was Sikh. Look it up. It’s an entirely different religion.
Report Post »alr79
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:53amGod has blessed this young man. May he win the good fight in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!
Report Post »mndjohnson
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:53amI would like this teacher to say that to one of the Founding Father’s children!
Report Post »Unbelievable
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:52amI know they nail these fools bottoms to the wall!! I am so sick and tired off all this discrimination against Christians!
Report Post »ltb
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:37pmThen do something, anything. If you have a child, send him to school with a Bible, a big Bible, then have him pray during the moment of silence in the morning and tell him to pray over his lunch. Tell him to do these things, not to offend others, but because he needs to learn to never be ashamed of God.
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“If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.” (Mark 8:38)
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:51amRight. She couldn‘t elaborate until the teacher’s union makes sure it has its teacher cover-up story straight. I hope he wins and sets a presidence.
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:03pmI pray that it goes to the Supreme Court. This matter needs to be settled. In the beginning of our great Republic the Bible was used as a textbook, so why is there a problem now??
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:12pmI hope he wins and OWNS the school system! And, if the teachers are made to start being RESPONSIBLE for their own actions, maybe our children can get a real education from government schools!
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:34pmIt‘s amazing that society has gotten so out of whack that’s it the Christian who are now the rebel. When immorality is the norm morality is the cause of the rebelous. it effing bizarro world
delhoghe
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:54pmMARYLOU, if this goes to the Supreme Court the Catechism of the Catholic Church will be taught in school ( 6 Catholic justices ). Do you want that?
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:51amSeems that if the TEACHER brought and used her Bible, Koran , Torah, or other Religious Manual to school that would constitute a problem. Why does this school district hate Hispanics?? If the Spokesman can’t tell the whole story(Fed Privacy Laws??) don’t initiate the suspension.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:34pmThink of it as one less dem vote.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:51amChristianity will always be under attack until Christ comes back. Then it’s “everybody out of the pool.!” Bill Cosby quote
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:21pm@TRONINTHEMORNING~~~
Love the “everybody out of the pool” Bill Cosby quote. No kidding!
I search the skies for JESUS’ return for HIS KIDS everyday…. HE IS COMING BACK…. wouldn’t want to be among those left behind many of whom will realize what has happened. Others will continue to buy the lies….
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:24pmChristianity will be under attack as long as we have the Muslim-in-Chief in the White House and the ACLU breathing down our necks.
teachermitch32
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:14pmChristianity will be under attack no matter who we place in the Oval Office. It’s just an increasing and ever present sign of the “last days”. Fight back? Do our best to put wise leaders in office? Continue to raise and influence our children and the children they associate with? Yes to all. But these birth pains are just another promise from our supreme leader, Christ.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:49amOh, my goodness!
“Suffer the little children to come unto me” has a whole new meaning!
This may be what it takes to get the problem of no prayer in school straightened out. Weren’t the Muslims bringing “religious knives? to school?
Report Post »Balrog28
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:57am@Showtime
No, it wasn‘t Muslims bringing ’religious knives’ to school. It is the ‘Sikh’ religion (not sick) that makes a requirement of carrying a ‘religious knife’. However the practice of wearing a necklace pendant of a stylized ‘religious knife’ has been accepted in place of an actual one.
This story just proves more and more why my wife and I are sending our kids to a Catholic School – not that there aren’t any issues within catholic school systems – we all have to stay on top of what our kids are being taught. Also – we need to teach our own children – values, faith, and a desire to learn about our world and affect its outcome for the better. Not to allow others to mold our childrens’ brains and hearts for a world-view of their own.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:08pm@Balrog28 ~
Thank you for getting my “facts” straight.
If you are in Rhode Island, I know someone who is on the staff at a Catholic school, who has written a book (”Congress Shall Make No Law …Abridging Freedom of Speech”), and who writes excellent pieces for a conservative blog site. John Feeny is also the athletic coach at his school.
Report Post »iheartusa
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:48amWhy is Christianity under attack?
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:49amI loove the way you made a statement with a question.
Report Post »StevenL1955
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:01pmEh.Bacuse of Satan? And remember, Jesus warned us this was coming and guess what? It’s HERE!!!!
Report Post »Slobaphobe
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:09pmBecause America is a Christian nation. Because Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses. Because failure to indoctrinate through the churches requires creating a state “religion” and worship of a man and an ideology. That’s why.
Report Post »Trance
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:43pmIt’s because our constitution does not allow our government to promote a specific religion. Since our country has been run by Christians for a very long time, that part of the constitution has been occasionally violated. The cases where government has promoted christianity, or religion in general, needs to be fixed. But sometimes people who are vehimently anti-Christian use the need to fix the issues as an excuse to abuse the system in the other direction.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:02pmOr just maybe he was bible thumping during class… and in that case the teacher would be right
Report Post »JD Carp
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:07pmChristianity isn’t under attack. Pride in religion and country is under attack unless you are Muslim.
Report Post »standunited
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:20pmiheartusa
Why is Christianity under attack?
Because they couldn‘t get people with religious beliefs to go along with what they’re doing, they have to get as many as they can to not beleive in God so their plans can be fully enacted without question. People of God have character, people of character will never go along with most of what they say is right. For some reason the extremely silent majority has no one who will stand up with people like Glen Beck and openly say what he says about religion and how it directly shaped and made this the greatest country on earth.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:29pmRepubliCorp
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:02pm
Or just maybe he was bible thumping during class… and in that case the teacher would be right
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When I read all of the polite comments by fellow believers and then read your smart alec post, it reinforces my desire to eradicate atheism from America. It’s not surprising that you believe your ancestors were slime balls and that your cousins are apes, because your manners are one and the same.
RepubliCorp
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 5:34pmLTB All I did was point out that that the teacher “may” have been right. You don‘t know and I don’t know. We are only hearing one side of the story. But like a Lib on acid you attack me personally. You have know idea what I believe. So Christian of you
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:00pmI can understand (kind of) the teacher forbidding bringing a book (any book), but when did this teacher become principal, district administrator, and supreme court justice?
Report Post »ltb
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 11:05amRepubliCorp
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 5:28pm
LTB All I did was point out that that the teacher “may” have been right ……..you don‘t know and I don’t know. We are only hearing one side of the story. But like a Lib on acid you attack me personally. You have know idea what I believe. Very Christian of you……………
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Oh give me a break, you hypocrite. Bible thumping? A Lib on acid? If you don’t want to be confronted about being a smart alec, try showing others respect and you might receive some yourself. You represent everything that is wrong with America – you’re rude, you’re obnoxious and you show no respect for others while demanding everyone show you respect. People like you make me sick, because you provoke Christians, then when we don’t ignore to your attacks, you instantly become self-righteous and judgmental. Aren’t these the very things that you people hate about Christians?
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 11:46amGod bless that happy Christian kid, because those going after him are clearly anti-American communist obama-democrats.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:01pmDo you think the REVEREND Jackson will show up for this one. I mean, he purports to be a Rev, shouldn’t he be defending cases such as this. Oh Jesse, we’re waiting.
Report Post »dealer@678
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:02pmWould they have done the same thing to a muslim kid who brought a koran. Dont think so. Too afraid of getting their liberal head chopped off
Report Post »JP4JOY
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:04pmI‘ll bet if it was Mao’s Little Red Book he would have been hailed as a great thinker and role model.
Report Post »My Two Cents
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:09pmI wonder if this teacher would make a female muslim student remove her hijab. If she did, would the school district support her?
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:12pmSpokeswoman for the Grossmont Union High School District — the district named in the suit — contends there’s much more to the story. She couldn’t elaborate, however, to KGTV because of federal privacy laws.
Master Dominguez probably extended his offer to include the teacher in his prayers which may be portrayed as offensive.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:13pmI’ll bet the teacher would not have had a “problem ” with a Koran or Muslim kid …. sue them good ….
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:14pmWe should not be surprised by this.
Jesus said in Matthew 24:9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another.”
Report Post »dwh320
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:17pmJust for giggles after his suspension ends he should show up with a Koran. Bet he wont get suspended then by the p.c. school board.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:22pmThere’s no separation of church and state. Congress may not make laws FAVORING a specific religion.
The restrictions are on Congress, not the People.
Report Post »randy
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:30pmEven the ACLU is calling the case a “clear” free-speech violation.
Report Post »WOW
pappy
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:32pmGod, give me strength. This is hard to read & even harder for me to understand. I monitor what my grandkids learn in school & I’m not too happy with what they tell me. Can we give the ACLU to a more deserving country? Perhaps a country that would appreciate them more than we do? Suspension over a kid bringing a Bible to school… Law suit? Good greif. We need to get our country back folks. We need to before it gets out of control. It feels like it IS out of control sometimes.
Report Post »Trance
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:38pmIt’s funny how few people understand the so-called “separation of church and state”.
Even if the school districted believed there is a separation of church and state, how can they think that would mean that the government can keep private citizens from talking among themselves about their religious beliefs? It’s become more of an excuse to take away rights than anything else.
And to those who complain the school wouldn’t stop a student from bringing a Koran and trying to convert other students to Islam. The constitution protects that right as well.
Report Post »CaptGregg
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:44pmNot much information there. Was he disrupting a class? Just because “He didn’t give any sermons or yell or scream…”, that doesn’t mean he might not have obnoxious in the way he was “…just sharing his faith with other students.” If he was simply having a discussion with interested students outside of class, that would be something else entirely.
Report Post »jblovesAmerica
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:52pmTake the Teacher and staff and run them through the system.
Report Post »Win the lawsuit-and take the cash and open a bible study storefront s close to the school as possible.
Teach them all about the Constitution 1st hand.
Keep us posted.
Leadthemtothelight
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:53pmKudos to this kid for having the guts to stand up for his beliefs. Shame on the school system that infringed upon his free speech. I hope he wins this lawsuit. The seperation of church and state excuse is not factual.
Report Post »It is the bastardization of the founders intention to keep all faiths open to all people and not forced into a single religion. I as a christian am sick unto death of hearing stories like this. We are not being fed to lions yet however we are being tread upon by the system. Stand up christians don’t be afraid to show your faith.
elr4
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:53pmso….. a teacher can exercise her rights of muslim religion by defaulting on a contract…….but… a 16yr old boy can’t carry his bible or discuss his faith.. would he have been suspended for talking to his friends about getting high at a party last nite??
Report Post »Lesterp
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 12:58pmSteadman will be right on this after he defends the muslim teacher!
Report Post »Nobamazone
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:03pmcaptgregg
Report Post »you are right, the school does say there is more to the story, we should wait to hear the rest of the story
however, I used my bible for reference material more than once while completing my Masters, perhaps he was using his in much the same way? maybe it was a science teacher trying to convince this kid that he evolved from an ape! If I knew what I know now… I too would have brought a bible to class! but again, we need to wait and hear the rest of the story, my being, a bible can be very appropriate, even in class
M-O-O-N Spells Moon
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:06pmThis whole “separation of church and state” idea that the atheists live by really needs to be tried in court. It does not exist anywhere in our founding documents and should not be allowed to abuse kids who feel their faith deeply. Now, when I was in high school, I was made very uncomfortable by friends who were being over-missionary in their Christian faith and were trying to save me. But that was easy enough to handle and was never a matter that interfered with the school.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:06pmBibles = suspension
Religious knife = No problem
What a freakin’ backward PC good for evil, evil for good country we have become. Every story I read today has my blood boiling !!!!!! I hate to say it but on a whole America probably deserves what ever is coming to her. I discipline my kids when they get out of line so why not God discipline this nation, we are no better then Israel in OT times !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »P C BE DAMNED
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:13pmHe should file suit and also start attending the local gun shows each weekend.
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:20pmDominguez’s Bible was even confiscated by that teacher, who said Dominguez’s actions violated “separation of church and state:”
A teacher confiscated the Bible? Now it’s contraband, like weapons and drugs? It will be interesting to see what other factors were at play in this incident.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:22pmChristianity isn’t a playground, it’s a battle field. He who’s not with me is against me.
ltb
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:23pmGod bless that family and their wonderful little boy. More Christian parents need to follow the lead of the Dominguez family and send their children to public schools with Bibles, then sue if their child is harassed. We also need Christian parents to start bringing suits against public schools for showing favoritism to the religion of Secular Humanism [Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961)] by teaching its doctrine of Evolution.
Report Post »MrBigBillyB
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:24pmThis is not a “Free Speech” issue (at least not primarily) this is the 1st Amendment right for “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” religion. The school is prohibiting this child’s right to freely excorcise his religion. He was not being sponsored by the school, he wasn’t using the public address systems to do it, he was discussing his beliefs with other classmates.
To say, as CAPTGREGG did that there is not enough information is misleading. The child was not suspended/punished for disrupting class, it was for bringing his bible to school and talking with other students about it. It was stated that he was violating the “church and state” issue, not that he was violating school conduct policies.
There may indeed be more to the story, but based on the information we have, and the actions being taken by the student, it seems pretty clear that it was not for “disrupting the class.” If it were, then why take the Bible away from the student?
Report Post »ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:28pmQuestion: How is it “separation” of Church and State when the State has ‘taken away’ a person’s ability to worship in their own way?
This is the case to be put into the court. The Teacher should be pursued through the Superintendent, the School Board, and finally (because you know they will not give in) through a lawsuit to have the Teacher released for breaking human rights laws in the United States.
Report Post »waggie
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 1:51pmDon‘t you know that you can only have free speech when it’s the “right speech”? Christianity and conservative speech are not allowed, and are even called hate speech. But these liberal nuts and unions are allowed any type of speech they want! Rhetoric anyone?
t00nces2
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:08pmIn January 2010, 16-year-old Kenneth Dominguez was suspended for two days from Gateway East High School for violating a teacher’s order not to bring his Bible to school and not to discuss his faith with others. Dominguez’s Bible was even confiscated by that teacher, who said Dominguez’s actions violated “separation of church and state:”
So, how is the boy (a citizen of the United States, protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States) bringing a Bible to school a violation of the separation of Chrch and state?
How is it the teacher demanding the boy not bring his Bible and confiscating the Bible not a clear violation of the civil liberty of a citizen of the United States (the boy) by the intrusion of the State (the law laid down by the the teacher, an employee of the state)?
Report Post »stifroc
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:11pmThe boy should have worn a burka, then there would be no problem.
Report Post »Uncle Crusty
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:16pmI suspend all Athiests and Muslims from school just becase they ARE! LOL how do like them apples! Not that I would advocate any such thing, just goes to show how rediculous this whole mess has become called America!
Report Post »Uncle Crusty
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:19pmSue the pants off of them, this teacher is obviously against Christ, you will pay dearly teacher! Teacher, teacher, leave them kids alone!
Separation of church and state are for the organizations, people have the right to free speech AND religion! As long as the young man was not evangelellical he has a right to the freedom to talk about it – bunch of hypocrits we have teaching kids these days!
Report Post »colonial10
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:23pmWhere did the statement come about the ACLU supports him? Odd.
Report Post »ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:31pmThe kid broke the rules. Simple as that.
If a child brought a copy of the Dungeons and Dragons Player’s Handbook, and then wanted to do nothing but talk about it and the game with fellow students, it would be disruptive!
I can see a teacher for getting him from bringing it back to school! The kids are in school to learn language and science and history and so on — not religion! if the kid was so eager to share his religion, invite people over to his house after school. How about that?
Report Post »Peace
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:31pmThe teacher is wrong. Fire the teacher and the principal.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:40pmIt is from OF Religion not FROM… I will not go to jail, nor pay a fine for believing in Jesus. These people have pushed over the limit
Report Post »Ironeagle
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 2:54pmAmen.
Report Post »HistoryStudent
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 3:05pmModern teachers are not educated, they are indoctrinated. As an adult who has just recently returned to college I have seen first hand that a lot of our college professors place more emphasis on ideology than they do on hard facts. As far as most college professors are concerned, our freedom of speech and religion are merely privileges that can be revoked if they don’t agree. This is one of the many reasons our educational system is on a downward spiral. Our universities are training teachers to indoctrinate students instead of teaching them how to read, write, and solve mathematical problems. In all probability this teacher is doing what he or she was trained to do.
Report Post »MrBigBillyB
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 3:16pm@Zombie
What rules did he break? You seem to be making an awful lot of assumptions. Where does it say he was being disruptive in class? Do you know for sure that the school districts policies prohibit the posession of religious materials? Was he talking during class? The report says the teacher said he shouldn’t talk about his faith “at school” not “during class”. He was being punished for freely exorcising his religious beliefs. Nothing was said anywhere in the story about class disruptions. Could be that he kept his Bible with him to read after a test, or between classes, or at lunch. Maybe those discussions were in the cafeteria, not the classroom. This is prohibition of this students rights plain and simple.
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 3:33pmMaybe, before you all go braying your ignorance so loudly, you should spend 5 minutes investigating the case on it’s merits. There is a lot more to this case when you look. It appears to be another case of a Christian stopped in the act of forcing their faith on others and then crying that they are the poor pitiful victim.
Here is the school profile from the internet:
Gateway East Community Day School, part of the Grossmont Union High School District.
http://www.trulia.com/schools/CA-El_Cajon/Gateway_East_Community_Day_School/
There is one teacher in this “school” which has 24 students whose first language is not English.
Here is a statement from the 2009-2010 School Accountibility Report Card found on the school district site.
http://www.guhsd.net/index.php/school-report-cards
“Gateway Community Day Schools provide an education for those students who are on a suspended expulsion order from the district, an involuntary transfer from one of the comprehensive sites, a SARB student, or a student on probation. They offer an extended school year. Gateway Community Day Schools are located at 2 store front locations in the East County.”
In other words, this is a small, single teacher environment with one teacher and 24 students who have been sent there because of problems in other places. A student who insists “on sharing his faith” might indeed be more than just a minor disruption, especially given the challenging situtation the students are already in. The teacher took away the source of disruption, just as he/she would take away a cell phone or a camera or a game. It isn’t a violation of his freedom of religion, it’s a violation of his ability to disrupt other students. Do your research first before you get outraged.
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 3:44pmGod bless that boy, and keep on bringing your bible to school and if others want to share your faith with you, then let them. God will punish all of those that fight agains him in the end. These freaking people need to quit attacking Christianity. I don’t see the schools making muslim kids follow the school dress code and leave the muslim garb at home.
Report Post »ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 3:54pmMRBIGBILLYB, you’re a thick-headed idiot.
DESERTROSE1960, you’re awesome!
Report Post »MontanaRob
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 4:14pmI suggest using copies of Rules for Radicals as a substitute for the TP rolls in all the school stalls in America. For my bathrooms, I favor Marx and Neitzsche (who the H#ll spelled that one in the first place)!
Report Post »Harvey
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 4:17pmTypical California,these people think they are the smartest people in the world.They will even tell you they are while their State falls apart around them because of all the debt.California no longer has and morals and that will be their down fall,the lack of morals always destroys..
Report Post »1TrueOne55
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 4:53pmThe district looses on all counts when the ACLU is not on your side. And the separation of Church and State in the first Amendment is against the “STATE/GOV’T” Forcing you to believe in one religion over another. In the Founders time that was the new Anglican Church founded by the King of England vs the Roman Catholic Church vs the fledgling Protestant Religious Movement of the day. Go read it in the context of the History of the day.
And liberals have always gotten it wrong.
Report Post »getalong
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 5:18pmIt is time to get rid of the FEDERAL department of education. The federal government has no right to be interferring into our schools. Leave the policy making for principals, teachers, and PARENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine all the money this country would save if we get rid of federal education, reserve and the IRS. Flat tax is the ONLY fair tax.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 5:28pmLTB All I did was point out that that the teacher “may” have been right ……..you don‘t know and I don’t know. We are only hearing one side of the story. But like a Lib on acid you attack me personally. You have know idea what I believe. Very Christian of you……………
Report Post »MrBigBillyB
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 5:46pmRose and Zombie,
You are right. Those links so clearly point out exactly what was going on. If only you had been there to do the research for these news reporters and this attorney. But wait. There still has been no evidence of actual disruption. Again, you are claiming this student was being disruptive. But the story does not claim that was why he was told not to bring the Bible to school. The report says he was told not to bring it to school, not because it was disruptive, but rather it was a Separation of Church and State issue.
Here‘s the actual quote from the report so you don’t have to watch the video again:
“…the lawsuit describes how a teacher told Dominguez that he shouldn’t talk about his Christian faith at school, because of the separation of Church and State…”
Please note, the lawsuit doesn‘t say that he shouldn’t talk about his Christian faith at school because of the disruptions it has been causing. If was made absolutely clear that the disruptions were why she was asking him not to share his faith then you would have a solid case and the rest would just be foolishness. But that is not why we are told he was asked not to share his faith at school.
Now, again, the court case may bear out additional details that are not included in this report. However, based on the reasoning given in the report there is absolutely no evidence of disruptive behavior. You’re simply making that part up. You have absolutely no evidence that the student was disruptive. There is simply an assumption being made that the sharing of this kid’s faith is automatically disruptive.
I do have to go back and say that I now agree with CAPTGREGG. There is not enough information in the report. But based on the information given, and the specific words used, it seems pretty straightforward to me. But obviously since I don’t have the ability magically know what happened behind the closed doors, and am unable to definitively know exactly what happened based on a description of the school I’m just an ignorant thick-headed fool. If only I wasn’t basing my opinion on what was actually reported, and not what I was guessing happened. Stupid me.
Report Post »cassandra
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 6:19pmWe as blind parents have allowed this scourge to infilltrate our schools, just saying separation of church and states tells me she has NOT read any thing our founding fathers said she has NO idea what our Constitution stands for or means her and every teacher like her needs to be rooted out like weeds we must stop the power of unions to keep these awfull people in our schools, because if we don’t stop it they will continue to behave anyway they want to
Report Post »ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 6:30pmMistakes happen. I forgive you, MRBIGBILLYB.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 7:17pmEmail the school and the school board. Let them know that these issues get NationWide attention and America is not amused.
Report Post »MASTER YODA
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 7:23pmSure the koran is in the school library and probably some teachers are teaching from it I am. Hmmmmmm.
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 8:10pmWhen will these people get smart enough to know that the “separation of church and state” even if they want to claim that it is in the Constitution which it’s not, but this separation is to keep the states’ hands off people in regards to religion. The state cannot start a “state religion” and they can’t keep people from following their religion however and where ever they want to.
Report Post »Anti_Spock
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 8:42pmLiberals never cease to amaze me when they unleash their ignorance upon our children. Thats what I call child abuse. They have scared this kid for life… no doubt he will grow up to be a proud conservative.
Report Post »swonga
Posted on March 31, 2011 at 10:32pmI wish ignorant folk that cite “seperation of church and state” would actually take the time to educate themselves on what that REALLY means! It shows how “stupidly” they are!
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 12:15amStand Strong by your FAITH Kid!!!
Report Post »jackrorabbit
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 12:38amWow, when the ACLU sides with a Christian, you know there will be heck to pay.
Report Post »Jackers
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 7:25amIt’s the never-ending war against Christianity; and it’s far past time that we, as Christians, stand up for our freedom of religion!
Equal freedom of religion, equal freedom of speech, equal enforcement of the rule of law, equal job opportunities for all without “affirmative action” and special treatment for “special interest groups”…
Equal justice; not social justice is what we in America should be about…
Report Post »Derfel Cadarn
Posted on April 1, 2011 at 10:48amI am a non believer and I do not believe that these tawdry superstitions have any place in our schools. Save preaching for after school. I do not go door to door trying to convince the deluded to switch to my belief so why is it OK when you do . Keep it to yourself. I am sure that you will be offended by this ,so lets see the power of your feeble god now!! Your god couldn`t soft boil an egg,nor could any other.
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