Broden Backtracks: Violent Revolution Is ‘Not on the Table Today’
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Impressed by his conservative views, The Dallas Morning News editorial board endorsed Stephen Broden back on October 4. But after his controversial interview with WFAA’s Brad Watson this week, they called him back to clarify what he meant by this exchange:
BRODEN: “Our nation was founded on violence.”
WATSON: “In 2010 you would urge that as an option, though?”
BRODEN: “The option is on the table. I don’t think that we should ever remove anything from the table as relates to our liberties and our freedoms.”
Speaking by telephone with the News’ William McKenzie, Broden tried to walk that statement back.
McKENZIE: “Are you saying, unequivocally, that violent revolution is not on the table today?”
BRODEN: “It is not on the the table today.”
But by the time he made that retraction, Broden was already drawing harsh reaction from former supporters like radio host Glenn Beck.
“Pastor Stephen Broden said that? That’s crazy!” Beck said.
Broden blamed the statement on Watson’s interview techniques, but when pressed by The News, he agreed that there might come a time for a rebellion.
BRODEN: “I believe that this is an option that is available to us as a nation, but only in the worst-case scenario, and we are nowhere near anything like that.”
Instead, Broden repeatedly told The News editors that violence is not the solution
BRODEN: “Let me be clear; the only way to protect liberty is through peaceable change at the ballot box.”
While The Dallas Morning News may have accepted Broden’s clarifications, its editors now question his judgment. In Saturday’s paper, they are withdrawing their endorsement.
They now offer no recommendation in the District 30 congressional race between Broden and Eddie Bernice Johnson.
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Comments (156)
the fisherman
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:52amRECONMARINE, I agree. If the government doesn’t fear the people it will act without regard
Report Post »to anything the people want or need, feeding itself with more power.
freedom10
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:46amI think we understand why the 2nd amendment was put into place. However, Glenn has shown us how to win peacefully, i.e. 8.28, 9.12, tea party, truth. God Bless.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 3:29pmSorry to disagree with you, but IF Freedom could be Won by Words, the Founding Fathers would not have ever written the Second Amendment, no need for it. They tried to talk their way to Freedom from Britain, but that didn’t work any better then, than it will now.
Report Post »tp2tp2
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:45amSee broden4congress on web, twitter or facebook. Someone needs to stand up for this man. He is fighting for Dallas Dist. 30 against Eddie Burnice Johnson. Need I say more. Glenn shame on you.
Report Post »firedragon
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:07ambe careful what you wish for. To be or not to be in congress that’s the ? Now I wonder why a preacher man wants to talk about violence & be such a loud speaker about it? Hummmmmmmm! Too much of that progressive confusion could make a man say things of confusion weird ! Is it a wolf or a sheep this ought to be our main ? which beast is it gentle or violent. Gentle men talk about gentle & kind things don’t they ? They don’t spew out doble tongued double meaning sentences to make people confused about who & what they are especially the clergy. He ought to be talking about winning souls to the kingdom.
Report Post »Diamondback
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:39amAnd FireDragon should be commenting on Huffington Post, Politico and the like. The Pastor told the truth. He has to back away because he’s in the political fight for office right now. I’m not and DO NOT BACK AWAY. If the communist want death and mayhem, let them keep up their works in my beloved Republic.
Again, I suggest all patriots read “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross. It’s outlines a method of taking back the country by specifically targeting the communist operatives and avoiding firefights in the streets. It’s hard to find because the government fears it. That just made me more determined to find and read it!
I’d also like to say that I disagree with a lot of posters here who continue to deny we are, in fact, in a position where our rights and freedoms are not only threatened but being taken from us incrementally – yes RIGHT NOW IN THIS TIME!
Folks, if you haven’t acquired a requisite number of battle rifles and stockpiled food, water, ammunition and other survival supplies, you are failing your duty to your family AND YOUR COUNTRY!
Report Post »critterbait
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:35amThe more I learn the hader it is to restrain myself .. BUT…No one in there right mind want’s to see violence.Once brought out into the light We The People can apply pressure and more pressure.This Country has seen citys brun before it’s nothing new.. Does it change things YESSS but can we as a people just Do The Right Thing ? If and when that time comes let the hand of God be behind it. I see miracles happening across this Country everyday now with the people standing up,, trust,, in them as a whole and God to lead us to Freedom. God hear’s our criers that you can trust and believe in.
Report Post »STAND IN THE FIRE OF TRUTH
WestOfThePecos
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:34amGlenn has admitted many times that he sometimes speaks to quickly and ends up putting his foot in his mouth, like calling President Obama a racist. So it looks to me like Glenn did it again. Keep working on this Glenn.
Report Post »patriotatheist
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 2:03pmGlenn’s comments are so much more than just putting his foot in his mouth…
This week on the radio upon hearing of Broden’s statement he said “i think i met him four times”… Glenn interviewed Broden in-depth SIX TIMES on television!
I now believe that Glenn would throw us all similarly under the bus if it suited his pocketbook…
Faith, hope, and charity are all good… but honesty and integrity come first… and Glenn in this regard has proven himself to be sorely lacking….
Report Post »Patriotdad2010
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:32amWhen I read this: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
2.2 That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
I don‘t see how ’violence’ can ever be TOTALLY taken off the table. I certianly understand that we dont’ do it “lightly” as the next paragraph indicates, but to say “It’s not even a possibility” is wrong!
Are we there yet? Not by a long shot! Could we get there someday? I believe we could!
In the meantime, we continue to exercise our liberty and vote…stay involved…pray. Seek God, Love others–try to influence people that way. I am confident that the spirit of freedom IS alive in the hearts of most Americans…but more are being lulled to sleep by the big govt. ‘solution’ to their problems all the time.
Pray, pray, PRAY!
Report Post »Diamondback
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:29amAnd stockpile, stockpile, stockpile and train, train, train in hopes we’ll never have to use it.
Everyone should read the book, “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross.
It’s frowned upon by the government so is kinda hard to find in libraries and such but just google it and you should be able to find where you can buy it. I did a couple of years back. Well worth it to me.
Report Post »epeel2
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:32amViolence is the last resort, BUT I know the enemy (and yes, they are the enemy)! Look at the Weather Underground and it’s history. Has that leopard changed it’s spots? We need to understand that you cannot negotiate with a snake or a scorpion! They have to be crushed, BUT we need to wait until they start the violence (and they will, because that’s what snakes, scorpions and vermin do!). Don’t be naive! I’m not advocating violence or revolution and neither is the rep., BUT when they raise their ugly head, you can’t use diplomacy!
Report Post »the fisherman
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 10:07amAmen
Report Post »yholmes
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:27amI don’t think Mr. Broden is promoting a violent solution to anything. It’s clear that he chose his words poorly while trying to make a bold statement. It’s unfortunate that it has cost him so much. It is the nature of our world to ignore the history of good and right when a mistake is made. Take the man as a whole and don’t assign his character to a single statement. We have all made comments that were poorly chosen and were received in a way that was unintended. I agree with the general comments here. Violence would be an end to the country. It is not on the table as a SOLUTION to the problems within America today. That being said, there is a point to which our country may cease to exist because of progressive change. If that happens, I for one will not roll over peacefully for any man while he takes my rights away. I will fight to maintain my freedom.
Report Post »Time Rebel
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:25amThe “right to revolution” has been around for centuries, from the Chinese Zhou dynasty, to Islamic tradition, to the European Magna Carter, to the French Revolution, to the American Revolution, to the Confederate States of America when it sought to disengage itself from the yoke of the federal govt.
Legal historian Christian Fritz in “American Sovereigns: The People and America’s Constitutional Tradition Before the Civil War”, contested that “some of the first state constitutions included ‘alter or abolish’ provisions that mirrored the traditional right of revolution” in that they required dire preconditions to its exercise. (for instance, Maryland’s 1776 constitution & New Hampshire’s 1784 constitutions required the perversion of the ends of govt & the endangering of public liberties and that all other means of redress were to no avail.)
Other constitutions had no such “dire preconditions” statements. Kentucky’s constitution states “All power is inherent in the people & all free govts are founded on their authority & instituted for their peace, safety, happiness & the protection of property. For the advancement of these ends, they have at all times an inalienable & indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish their govt in such manner as they may deem proper.” Tennessee’s constitution declares “That govt being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power & oppression is absurd, slavish & destructive of the good & happiness of mankind.” And the constitution of the Republic of Texas declares “All political power is inherent in the people & all free govts are founded on their authority & instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of govt & subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their govt in such manner as they may think expedient.”
People may not like what Broden said, but it is supported by the constitution under which he lives. And I don’t believe Broden was advocating a revolution; he stated a fact. Of course we all know that VOTING is the right way to handle things!
Report Post »UnreconstructedLibertarian
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:09amAmen
Report Post »Diamondback
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:22amBut ONLY IF the vote is true and not compromised like what we’ve been seeing the last 20 years and which seems to be getting worse and worse each election cycle.
Report Post »beachmaster
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:19amIf there is ONE thing that Glenn Beck is connsistently WRONG about, it is the idea that you must NEVER defend yourself, your home, your family, or your community .. if it involves using brute force. To quote Glenn ..” violence?… “EEEEKKK!” I am NOT saying that we should start an armed revolt, what I AM saying is that the idea that defending yourself, rather than allow the international socialists to put you in chains .. is wrong. I know ALL about the founding fathers .. but without the dedicated patriots of the various state militias .. willing to put THEIR lives at risk for freedom and to use their guns to defend their freedoms and liberties, well, without the patriots that fought and died for us, at Lexington/Concord.. at Bunker Hill .. at Brooklyn .. at Princeton .. at Cow Pens .. etc, etc .. without all of the Ethan Allans, without men with guns .. willing to risk themselves and their families, endure the hardships of fighting the revolution, as ill fed, ill equiped, unpaid enlisted men .. and junior officers .. the founding fathers would be remembered merely as an impressive debating society. The founding fathers were safely in their homes, in Philadelphia, when the Minutemen at Lexington, did what was necesary to defend themselves from tyranny. Gahndi didn’t succeed because he was passive .. he succeeded because the British had to let go of their colonial states after WW II. The Jews tried being passive, in Europe, in the 1930s … their passivity got them a train ride .. I’d prefer not to find my fate at the end of a train ride.
Report Post »Fitz1973
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:23amSo true!
Report Post »Time Rebel
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:31amGlenn has to cover his you-know-what, so he cannot admit to resorting to violence if necessary. His denouncement has to do with liability. For example, any of us can and should result in violence in the protection of self, home, and family. And if it ever comes to a reality where we have a tyrannical, oppresive govt, we the people have the right and obligation to revolt. The second amendment right to keep and bear arms was, in part, intended for that purpose!
Report Post »Fitz1973
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:17amI could not agree more with Pastor Broden. Obviously now isn’t the time for revolution but Beck, “when is the time?” never? You have educated quite a few Americans on the first American revolution and how patriotic it was and what a great country that became of it. I agree with Broden, you can never take that off the table. The 2nd admendment is all about the right to enforce the constitutation if our government fails us. With the voter intimadation in Philly and all the voter fraud by Acorn and other similar groups, one has to keep this option on the table. What, should we just watch if our vote becomes null and void? Glenn Beck stand up and tell us when would be the time to use violence? NEVER?
Report Post »Glenn is my hero
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 1:26pmDon’t doubt Glenn. He knows damn well violence is on the table but he wants us to wait until after the elections to see what happens. He wants us to wait and see if peace works first. In this month’s NRA magazine, Freedom First, has an article in there about Patrick Henry and how Patrick said it was time to go to war unless the men wanted to be slaves to King George. He said, “Give me liberty or give me death!” Even the NRA wants us to ‘read between the lines.’
Report Post »Glenn is my hero
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 1:29pmGlenn knows to never take it off the table. He wants and is praying for peaceful means to work first.
Report Post »PatriotDaze
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:17amReason rules the day, and another 2nd amendment remedy chest pounder gets called inside for supper.
Report Post »azghost
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:16am“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” – Abraham Lincoln
“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”
Report Post »– Abraham Lincoln
Glenn is my hero
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 1:21pmAbraham Lincoln was so right!
Report Post »free2bme1961
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 3:55pmThese are the best words to describe what needs to be done! Thank-you; God bless!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:14amOh, it’s on the table alright!
Report Post »SamLiberty
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:09amSo how does defend one’s personal freedom and liberty if all else fails?
Report Post »Our founders went to revolution after they exhausted all other options.
I for one will not live under tyranny and enslavement of individual rights.
firedragon
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 10:18ama 556 bull pup with a 223 nato round that’s how. I don’t condone violence , but to answer your question only if all else fails that’s bill ayers, van jones, & mao’s believers.
Report Post »reconmarine
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:07amHere we go having to be politically correct again. The government always needs to fear the people.
Report Post »Glenn is my hero
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 1:20pmYes the government should always fear the people! I will not be a sheep and be lead to the slaughter. I refuse to make a mockery of all those before us, who DIED for our FREEDOM. We need to take a stand for our Constitution!!!!!!!! Glenn just wants us to wait and see what happens after the elections. We need to see if peaceful means work first. Our founding fathers wanted us, the people, to be armed incase the government becomes a tyrannt and takes away our freedom.
Report Post »sdeakins
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:02amAsk Van Jones, Bill Ayers or any of a thousand of Obamao’s closest friends if “violence is still on the table”.
Report Post »Time Rebel
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:34amAmen and well said!
Report Post »Glenn is my hero
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 1:16pmYou are so right SDEAKINS! The people who surround Bacrock have already said they admire Mao (a mass murderer) and in the Bill Ayers’ manifesto, they said, “political change comes through the end of a barrel of a gun.” I think what Glenn is saying, let’s wait and see what happens after the elections. Read his book “The Overton Window.” One of the characters in there stocked up on guns and ammo and even made his own ammo. This character in the book even had ‘politically incorrect books’ on his shelf like The Turner Diaries. Read between the lines folks. Glenn KNOWS how dangerous this is. He KNOWS if things don’t go the right way, then he will agree that violence is on the table. He just doesn’t want violence happening right now. We need to wait and see. I’d bet my life that he has a gun and believes in 2nd amendment rights. This pastor Broden, I am sure he still believes what he first said.
Report Post »Ga. Tea Party
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 10:53pmPeople seem to forget that our most innocent children are being murdered daily in horrible painful ways. I will not forget them or set this aside. War, huh, what is it good for? Absolutely noth….. To stop tyrants from using us as steaks on their plates. I am a peace lover and I want to share this peace with the unborn. We need to affect the guilty rather than the Innocent. God I love America!
Report Post »Bob1943
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:02amI am sorry to hear Broden backing down on what I hope is an obvious truth……violence should always be a last resort of course, but never “off the table”, as in, not to be considered.
Broden was right the first time. Beck is wrong.
Report Post »felina g
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:01amThis was taken out of context. Glenn re-acted and he of all people should have known that.
Report Post »WestOfThePecos
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:50amAgreed. Everything should always be on the table. Beck knows this, but may have been concerned about feedback because of his direct connection with the Rev.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:58amWe shall see what tomorrow brings
Report Post »Taxpayer550
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:57amViolence is not the solution right now. But if our freedom and the right to exist is threatened (and in this case, by the far left), then some degree of violence as a defense would have to be on the table as an option. With all due respect to Glenn, laying down to the far-left and giving up our freedoms should not be on the table as an option either. The left shows no signs of slowing down their efforts to remake our nation in their image. Granted, we are not in the final stages yet, but it needs to be considered as a possibility. If they end up pushing our backs to the wall and threatening our very existence, what option would we have but to fight back and defend ourselves.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:07amYours is a well thought out and measured response..And yes we are nowhere near the point where violence is justified…
Report Post »The point is that while violence is never a desirable option, many times in history the situation has devolved to the point where directed violence became the ONLY answer to those who would trample the rights of free people.
On on that point it must be noted that when the threat of ultimate violence against encroaching tyranny is removed, ALL restraint by the encroachers is removed because it is then known that FORCE will not be used and nothing is there to stop the encroachment from succeeding in the end.
I do understand the Pastor’s reasoning for backing off from his original points…which were true and correct in the context he used. Today, the political enemies of freedom will use any suggestion of violence as a meat axe to attack conservatives since much of their propaganda entails connecting conservative candidates with the far right fringe which would relish a revolution for the sake of revolution. Currently, while the context and facts were correct, any talk of revolution is not helping promote the people we need in office.
And while Mr. Beck is doing his best to moderate the fringe voices out there, I‘m sure he’s aware of the ultimate backstop to all we here are trying to accomplish…And like himself I do not relish the idea of open rebellion against a hopelessly corrupt body which only exists to acquire more power over the people of this country. Let this truth be remembered as the ultimate recourse, but for now spoken of in whispers among friends and like minded souls….Perhaps just a whisper in the ear of the right person will remind our wanna-be political masters to remember their place before that ultimate answer need be used? One would hope, but one would also keep arms and ammunition in a safe place in case that whisper needs to turn into a shouting call reminiscent of Paul Revere!
PatriotDaze
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:53amYup. There you have it.
Report Post »Ga. Tea Party
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 10:44pmThe military will not fire upon American citizens and we have at least thirty million men with 2nd amendment rights who are willing to die for their country and also willing to let the enemy die for their cause. No army or nation on earth even from ancient times can stand against such Americans in these numbers. God I love America.
Report Post »rogersranger1776
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:47amStephen Broden do not back down because of Glenn Becks cowardance. True men of freedom are preparing for this battle everyday. Why do you think politicians every day are trying to close “gun law loop holes”, limit ammo purchases, and make criminals of anyone they can, they do it in order to prevent people from fighting back against their police and military forces. The truth is most of the those willing to stand againsts these tyrants are police and military! Do not be afaid to speak the truth. Tyrants need to be put in check. Freedom is not Free, Mr. Beck; and at some point dealing with politicians must be dealt with in blood of both tyrants and patriots, as predicted by Thomas Jefferson. Yes, I agree, let the voter processes do its job, but when you have wide spread reports of voter fraud, you have politicians who say one thing for Freedom to get the vote and then act against freedom in the office, and when you have oppressive taxes and laws against freedom, and no politicians will act against it because they are more interested in the power they have verses freedom of the people, then it is time to fix the problem.
Report Post »tatankachief
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:50amI stand with you brother!!
STAND TALL PASTOR BRODEN…. YOU’RE RIGHT!
Report Post »Sara
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:06amAs soon as someone gets violent, especially on the right, its over. The battle would be over. We don’t need to be violent, and it would ruin our country. We are living in different times. You think there is government control now… we’d be under marshall law, in jail, our freedoms like speech, assembly, petition, press, religion would be over “in the name of safety.” We’re talking about the United States defense here. Violence is not the way to get anyone on your side or to make your argument look legit. We use our freedoms to save the republic, you don’t turn to violence. The left discredits themselves every day with their attack on our speech, their violence, and their lack of facts. People are waking up every day. The majority does not like violence, and they don’t want to be a part of it. How would violence solve anything? How does that end? What happens when it stops? You can’t unite after violence. You aren’t trusted by the public after violence. I for one would be afraid of a party that violently overthrew a government, what will they do if they people begin to disagree with them? It is not the 1700′s, the founders started a revolution as a last resort. If it wasn’t kill or be killed. And while yes, the British had the strongest navy in the world, it was basically the same fundamental technology being used on both sides of the battle. We don’t even have the first clue as to the actual resources that our government has for national defense. There is no fight there. Trust God, use your freedoms, vote, run for office if there are no good choices, stand up for what you believe in, but violence portrays ignorance. Most Americans believe the same fundamental principals. Once people turn violent those agreements are over. We just need to stand together, teach each other the truth about what is going on. There is power in numbers, and many Americans don’t have time to stay on top of what is going on everyday. They have multiple jobs, kids, etc. Many people my age (the 20 somethings) don’t have that much of a real sense of how bad it really is. If the right turns violent you’re not only giving the left what they want, you are making everyone who doesn’t watch fox, stay on top of the news, etc turn away from what it is you stand for, as well as many who do.
Report Post »Spero
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:07amHowever, Glenn did put the disclaimer up that said we are not America of the 1770′s… we are France of the 1790′s. Because of our current societal decadence, lack of morality and mental fortitude we would lose our Republic if open war broke out. Violence would play right into the enemy’s plot. The progressives need violence to advance their agenda. We must be wise to this and NOT play into their hands.
We battle NOT against flesh and blood, but against thoughts, speculations and ideals that lift themselves up against the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God. We must be as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves.
Report Post »rogersranger1776
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:30amSARA, name one time in history of the world where peace solved anything? The politicians are already using violence against the people. What happens when you do not pay you taxes, MEN WITH GUNS come get you, WHAT HAPPENS when you speak out against some one, you are arrested BY MEN WITH GUNS for HATE SPEACH, what happens when you hand out Christian Booklets in Dearborn MI? MEN WITH GUNS SHOW UP! WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SPEED? MEN WITH GUNS STOP you! WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A NEIGHBOR files a false complaint against you for child abuse! MEN WITH GUNS COME AND TAKE YOUR CHILDREN! You are a blind fool. They already control you, they already have violence in place to keep you in your place. AND do you think any politician is going to stop it from happening? Republican or democrat? NOPE, why? Because it is power and CONTROL over the people by Tyrants! If you are not armed then you are a fool! If you are not prepared for battle then you are a fool! Yes the system needs to work it self out ina peaceful, but you can not not be prepared to defend freedom with your own blood! As a wise cowboy once said, smile and be nice to everyone you meet, but never trust em and always be prepared to kill them! FREEDOM ISNT FREE IT WAS CREATED AND PAID FOR MILLIONS OF TIMES IN BLOOD AND VIOLENCE!
Report Post »moelarrycurly
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:34amI stand with you. I will stand and fight before I see my children enslaved by an evil regime that seeks to silence me by: Voter fraud, intimidation. Rigging voting machines. Continued affiliation with Marxist/Communist organizations of which has a perfect record for murder and genocide anywhere in the world it has been tried. I will work with anybody to peacefully and legally end this rising tyranny. But armed rebellion IS on the table…
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:52amSara
Report Post »You write as if the left is a huge majority in this country and they will have control of the military? The country is primarily red state people. I know the urban centers are the breeding ground for the progressives but remember these folks have been so dumbed down they can’t feed and care for themselves? Have you ever been to Kansas or somewhere rural? We can control the threat with no problem. Not that we want that but the founders did expect that what happened in their time will most likely happen again because men are flawed and lust for control. I will fight as hard as needed to make sure my children are not enslaved by an oppressive government,
neverending
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:41amAbsolutely – well said – every single word.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 3:17pmNot only is Violent Resistance very much On the Table, it is now only one election away from being the ONLY OPTION left. Despite what Glenn Beck and this fellow, or for that matter anybody else has to say. Their OPINIONS are just that, and NOTHING more. They are however, the OPINIONS of COWARDS. As RODGER lays out in his posts, we are all ruled by one thing and one thing only, the THREAT of GOVERNMENT VIOLENCE, all day everyday. So long as their ILLUSION of INVINCIBILITY holds, everything stays calm. But just as with all ILLUSIONS, eventually they run into somebody they just shouldn’t have F$#&ED WITH. None of the TALKING HEADS nor POLITICIANS will speak the truth because they would then get to experience the FIST of GOVERNMENT in their face. The HIRED THUGS that defend their POLITICAL BOSSES will without hesitation kill you, and get a promotion for doing it. But there are just a heap of folks out here that are no longer impressed with their PAPER TIGER SCAM. As one Rhodesian Operator summed it up, “Nothing takes the fight out of em, quite like when people start dying all around them”.
When the current Dog and Pony Show ELECTION is over with, and Business As Usual resumes inside the Beltway, lots and lots of the pathetically naive American People will forcibly have their collective heads ripped from the sand, and figure it all out real quickly. Unfortunately it will be too late for most by then.
Those that hold that we can “VOTE OURSELVES BACK TO FREEDOM” are a pack of fools. It’s NEVER happened in all of recorded History, ain’t gonna happen this time either. Best pick your side and get ready, won’t be any SPECTATOR SEATS for this Game.
Report Post »tatankachief
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:47amOh please … Come on Glenn, I know you’ve exhausted yourself reading the works of our founders. You know that open rebellion is on the table any time the government moves into tyranny. You quote Jefferson all the time on your show. Was he crazy too??? I believe Pastor Broden understands very well that rebellion is always on the table but should only be the card played when Tyranny encroaches upon the Republic. I’ve heard you use the word Tyranny more than once on your show. I love ya Glenn, but you stand in rash judgment of the Pastor on this.
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. … God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” — Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787
Report Post »Spero
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:53amThe best way to ensure that you never have to use guns is to own them.
Report Post »ILOVEGLENNBECK
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:23amWell said, Tatank and thanks for the quote. Once again a comment is taken out of context. We need to understand the whole story and do our research BEFORE we offer opinion.
Report Post »firedragon
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:24amI believe you are right that if tyranny & freedom of speech or of the people come into play then man he has a right to defend himself & his family. It is the hate in mans heart that stirs war. Only God can remove that hate by his love. Mans condition of heart does cause wars, However, in the case of the politics this yr. I believe that God gives a person discernment in their heart to discern evil that surrounds them. I also believe that if we are surrounded by negative people, candidates, corruption & false spirits that there is a possibility that a mans words can be used to provoke violence or use those words to bring understanding , or use those words for warning, or use those words to endoctrinate a thought of using violence or to plant evil thoughts. It is a dangerous thing to use the clergy to do this. It goes back to what is the intentions in a mans heart. We have to try the spirits & ask God to help us discern who are our enemies that wish either good or evil. I hope broden is on the right side & not a wolf in sheeps clothing. Don’t worry if he is a wolf the Lord God of Israel has a place for him and the devils angels.If he is not a wolf he probably wouldn’t be speaking up with such confusing speech. See you don‘t judge a man by his color it’s by his hearts intentions & his behavior. What point at this time would he be saying this stuff about violence. HUMMMMM strange !!!! Let’s call him mystery Halloween character, is he a trick or a treat ? You make the decision America!
Report Post »yholmes
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:30amWhen they take my guns all will have been lost.
Report Post »Beckofile
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:45amTatankachief
Report Post »You are right. I was thinking the same thing while this issue was in the news. But one disagree….When you refer to our Rulers. We should not think of Representatives as Rulers. Rule of law and not of men
HKS
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 9:56amThe enemies of the Republic have that option not only on the table but they are using it right now. Wake up.
Report Post »quill67
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 10:29amEvery year, it seems, another freedom is taken from us. To many these freedoms seem small so to talk of violence is obiviously seen as insane. Yesterday, it was to allow our children to be taugh right from wrong in school. Today it is “just” our ability to choose the health care we want. Tomorrow it will be the type of car we can drive–no big deal; the type of light bulbs we can have–no big deal. But how about when they limit how much we can travel because of CO2? Still not worth fighting for, of course because mostly the rich travel. How about if they decide that your child cannot have an operation because that money can save more lives by providing food for the poor? At what point do we say enough? At what point do we draw the line?
Our Constitution has a line that the government is not supposed to cross. There are 17 powers given to the Federal government that they are allowed to do. Nothing more. These powers are called the “enumerated powers” Article I of the Constitution.
For those who haven’t seen it, or would like to see again, here is Reagan’s “A Time of Choosing”
–the 4 minute version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvg7lRsCVJ8
–the full 28 minute version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY
Report Post »Diamondback
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 10:58am“The best way to ensure that you never have to use guns is to own them.” – SPERO
And I might add: And, to know how to use them safely and effectively.
The politicians can back away from the fact that violence IS ON THE TABLE all they want. It in no way takes the option off the table for WE THE PEOPLE and it IS ON THE TABLE (Oh yea, I already said that. Well just to be sure they understand.Wouldn’t want them to be all surprise and stuff when communists start showing up dead around the country.)
Report Post »Captain77
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:18amAgreed. I thought Glenn had studied our forefathers? The point that we are at now is easily without debate far beyond what was the point of revolution for our forefathers. Is it the time for a violent revolution? I don’t know. However, to say that violence is off the table is foolishness. Would America exists today if Violence was off the table? Would the fait of the Jews in Nazi Germany have been different if they would have made violence an option instead of “weathering” the storm as they had? The Declaration of Independence not only says violent revolution is our rights should the government loose its way, but that it is our responsibility. The second amendment was even included in the Bill of RIghts to ensure that should the time come, the people would have a way to violently oppose their corrupt government should the time come. No, I am not calling for a violent revolution should this election not go as hoped, but never, not even in peace and prosperity, should we ever say violence is off the table. Those who would be our tyrants should be keenly aware of what may be the cost should they try to take away our rights and our liberties!
Report Post »Paul G
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:01pmHey YHOLMES…If they EVER take my guns…there won‘t be a ’me’ left
Report Post »DE OPPRESSO LIBER
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:01pmtatankachief
Report Post »I agree Gleen’s got to understand that. If not we could watch them fix elections year after year and just lean foward and take it.
Glenn is my hero
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:46pmAmen. I agree with Tatankachief. I will fight for my freedom and I will take a stand for our constitution even if no one in our government or courts will. I too believe violence is not the way to go but ONLY IF nothing in our government is done to preserve our laws and our Constitution. Someone has to take a stand to defend America. Are we all going to be wimps and not defend our country from the enemies within? Are we going to make a mockery of all those who died before us and made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom??????? I am a true patriot and if I have to risk my life to defend America and the constitution, then so be it. I bet the founding fathers are rolling in their graves while we all go to the slaughter like sheep if we don’t take a stand.
Report Post »White Devil
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 2:36pmI like Glenn a lot, but sometimes he speaks his opinion as if it is the correct opinion when it is not. Too many people think that Glenn can’t be wrong. Too bad Broden back-peddeled and didn’t stand on his true feelings. After all, he MUST be P.C.
Report Post »ComposMentis
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 2:38pmGlenn, I know you are very concerned about making sure that violence is not promoted as the answer to our problems and for that you are right, but I felt you were VERY Rash in condeming Broden and I don’t believe he deserves that. I think you should know better than others how the media presents things and I don’t for a second believe he was advocating violence now as something we should do. But we must assert what Thomas Jefferson said as Tatankachief pointed out. I hope you will make it right, have him on the show Monday and get down to the bottom of this and if you spoke prematurely please apologize…otherwise if he says he wants violence….hammer him.
Report Post »NE Cowboy
Posted on October 25, 2010 at 9:28amWow, could NOT have said it any better. Glenn, you threw the good pastor under the bus, big time!! Why don’t you just admit you rushed to judgement on this one?? I‘ve watched you since coming to FOX NEWS and i’ve been a loyal fan since then. But I have to agree with many here that you seem to bend over backwards to pacify the far left as of late and it’s blatenatly apparent here. I wonder if you would have thrown Sam Adams under the bus now??………..
Report Post »snowleopard3200
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:46amLet his actions now determine where the real truth is to be found.
http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm (mix art)
Peters
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:05pmBeck’s comments are fundamentally flawed . . . inconsistent with his dedication to truth and honesty. I think we owe that sentiment to him, that someone is looking over his shoulder whispering reminders of social responsibility and things of that nature, being as prominent and influential as he currently is.
However, and despite that, we have to maintain honesty and truth, somewhere. It must be recognized that saying “violence is off the table” is synonymous with taking gun rights off the table. The fundamental reasoning behind having “the right to keep and bear arms . . . ” is violence and it is being grossly violated and given imagery here that can only damage the cause of protecting this critical right of freedom and liberty.
No one wants to use violence . . . let’s make that perfectly clear. No one wants anything to escalate to where violence erupts . . . gun rights are given to us to protect the Republic as a last resort in the event of an attempted overthrow. Man’s good sense and judgment guided by serious convictions for the respect of life will dictate when and if that protection is needed from what attacks it or seeks its demise. We are peace seeking people and reject violence and place it in a special place to be used only if attacked or threatened.
Those that understand the military in a true conservative fashion know what I am speaking of and will not construe these statements as anything other than what it is, a plea for peace.
However, and additionally, this brings to light the absolute importance of holding our leaders to the laws and guidelines of our laws when it comes to protecting the people from the abuse of power from individuals within our government. There must be an outlet, a legal outlet, as in the courts, for the fundamental crimes of any group or individual that demonstrates a desire to overthrow the Republic. As long as someone or some group in government exists to do this, violence will never be needed because justice has a pathway to prevail.
Report Post »tradexpertbuysell
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 1:20pmBeck and Broder are both right. There is no excuse for violence as long as peaceful options exjst.
Beck is right in that we are not of the same Christian dicipline as a whole but more of a mixed dicipline or lack of thereof that if there were another modern American revolution involving bloodshed it would be more like the Jacobite French Revolution and violent class warfare that would easily spin out of control.
Also from a historical prospective the agressor in the American Revolution was British being the agressors at Bunker Hill. Where the patriots position at the start of the war was merely a defensive measure of survival.
It was years later that Jefferson made the comment of violent revolution being an option if nothing was left. In the Declaration of Independence the only reference to disolving the bonds between America and Great Britain was a recognition of unalienable rights to cause a peaceful separation.
As can be seen it is not a straight forward option and if undertaken without devine guidance will have the same outcome as were the percarious events of the Contenental Officers to storm congress for compensation after the Revolutionary War’s cessation when Washington had to intervene.
The ultimate consequence being tyrrany of one form or another.
Report Post »WestOfThePecos
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 2:26pmWho fired the first shot at Lexington? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdS9Pai7iM&feature=player_embedded#!
Report Post »Joseph8
Posted on October 23, 2010 at 8:03pmyou guys are getting a little over the top here. england sent over armed troops and we raised arms to defend ourselves and our freedoms. who are you being physically threatened by that you need a violent uprising? sit and picture how that would work out. the reason were in this mess is because we vote for idiots, its our fault but were starting to realize it. get real guys
Report Post »NewsStalker
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 3:43am@Peters, I agree with you 100%. @Joseph8, I disagree with you, for the enemy is already on our land. Next will be your doorsteps. The enemy is that of those who disagree with our US Constitution. Liberals, Marxist, communists and socialist…look around you pal, your enemy is everywhere. It is now that we must rescue it by whatever means, to keep our freedoms in tact for ourselves and our children. I hope that we can restore America before it comes to that, but let us be honest, look at how the progression has deteriorated our Constitution over the last 100 years…Reality check time…predict the future for what you have seen thus far. It is not difficult to come to realize that we truly are on the brink of losing it all…Only way to restore it to its original format is to defend in what we believe…and unfortunately, freedom does come at a price.
Report Post »CYCLONE
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 8:58amARMED RESSURECTION is definately on the table and it is DIVINE POWER … don’t be a coward now….this is AMERICA !!!
— SCREW GHANDI !!!
Report Post »wciappetta
Posted on October 24, 2010 at 10:15am@ Peters: Couldn’t have said it better myself….If this election doesn’t begin to turn the tide then we are being backed into a corner and at some point will have to employ the last line of defense. The revolutionary war wouldn’t have turned out too good for us If Mahatma Gandhi was the general.
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