Buddhist Mystic Gives Reporters a Tour of Hell
- Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:31pm by
Billy Hallowell
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“Heaven” and “hell” are spiritual realms that most living beings can only dream and theorize about. Sure, there are descriptions in religious texts and general notions about what occurs in both spheres. And there are a plethora of individuals who claim they’ve “seen the light” after surviving near-death experiences. But there are no universally-accepted descriptions about what, exactly, goes on in the afterlife.
That being said, Master Kek Eng Seng, a Buddhist medium who is part of the Tze Bei Guan Yin Dhamma Center in Georgetown, Malaysia, claims that he has the ability to travel freely through both localities. Recently, the spiritual leader offered to take a group of 50, including news reporters, along with him on his mystical journey.
Master Kek Eng Seng opening the "gates to hell"
More than 200 people from across Malaysia registered for the trip, including, as Beliefnet reports, Beh Yuen Hui of the Asia News Network and Chiang Kee Chuan from China Press.
In the end, though, this large group was parsed down to just 50. People were removed from the participation list during a screening process that relied on birth dates that were unfavorable to the timing of the tour. Additionally, women were were pregnant or who had their period were turned down (the reasons for these inclusions were not explicitly stated).
On AsiaOne.com, Beh share’s an account of the experience:
As night fell, the group, all clad in white shirts symbolising purity and sincerity, gathered at Padang Brown in Georgetown for the “tour”.
After some prayers and rituals, we were all set to start our journey at around 10.15pm.
My eyes were covered with a paper talisman wrapped in a yellow cloth. Then, the lights were switched off.
As I listened to the chants by Master Kek, my head became very hot, as though there was a stream of warm air trying to get out of my body through the top.
(Master Kek later explained this by saying that my soul was trying to get out of my body.)
In the end, the majority of the participants, including Beh, didn’t experience hell as they had hoped they would. But 12 people, including Chiang, did, indeed, report seeing the great down under. Beh reports on some of these experiences:
“I saw a rainbow hanging on a beautiful sky, and a monk advised me to become a vegetarian,” [Chiang] said.
Another woman, who declined to be named, said she saw many ‘people’ at a pasar malam (night market). [...]
Another female participant said she saw her departed mother from a distance, but she could not go near and speak to her.
Interestingly, these images seem more in line with the peace that is often ascribed to heaven. Rather than a deluge of pain and suffering, those participants who allegedly saw hell seemed to have a somewhat favorable experience.
The process, which took a little over an hour, is apparently going to be repeated in an effort to give the other 38 individuals the opportunity to experience the rainbows, vegetarianism and visions of lost loved ones that were purportedly witnessed by the “lucky” 12.
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Sick and Tired of This
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 9:08amBack on track … there is no hell. ‘Hell’ is nothingness. The rest of us have a chance at everlasting life. “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” John 17:3. Join me? P.S. I am not Mormon.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 9:43amYo Sick and tired:
I could put up 100′s of verses and even whole chapters that speak of hell. Almost all speak of it as a place of torment.
Jesus spoke of hell as much as heaven.
Is John 17:3 the only verse you ever read?
Sorry, I will not be joining you!!!
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:13pmUm, wrong.
Mark 9:47-48? Hell is real.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:58pmHell is real and meant for the disobedient angels. It was not made for humanity — it’s our job to introduce humanity to the Living Lord so that none go there!
Report Post »boxy
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 2:18pmSick is right. Eternal fire is best translated to unquenchable. Its a common misconception that hell is eternal but a loving God does not delight in torture. The best example is Sodom and Gomorrah, they were burnt up and were never rebuilt. Just the same as what will happen to sin and the sinful.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:47pmHell = Sheol ( hebrew) & Hades (greek) is the common grave of mankind.
Report Post »Hell = to cover, hide or conceal……………helling potatoes means to cover in the ground not to roast or cook.
Gehenna ( Valley of Hinnom ) = Symbolic of complete destruction, no resurrection to life possible
Thomas
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 5:23amEternity is not a segment of time but simply Un-relative Oneness with the Eternal One. There is no eternal place of torment but one day the Eternal Fire of the Truth is going to destroy all illusion along with those who decided to walk in it because it suite the lust and desire of self and they will cease to exist even in memory after judgment.
Those who PRACTICE sin shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not (B)inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Report Post »CountFunkula
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 8:32amI disagree. There is definitely a hell. I know for sure. My wife made me go to a Justin Timberlake/ Pink concert. It exists.
Report Post »mermaid7
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 10:54amUm, you say that you believe in Jesus Christ, yet you say that hell doesn’t exist. But, it says in the Bible that during the 3 days before the ressurection that he went into hell to get people and bring them back. They were seen by witnesses who saw them walking in the streets once Jesus came back to his disciples. Only Jesus could do that, not Buddha, not Moroni, Mohammed or Michael. Only God in human form could have that power.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 3:14pmI agree, Hell is real. Don’t find out for yourself.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 3:27pmmermaid7,
Where is all that written? I know it is not in the Bible.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 7:27pm@Mermaid7………..But, it says in the Bible that during the 3 days before the ressurection that he went into hell to get people and bring them back.
You must have seen that on the History Channel.
Report Post »But he did go to hell (the grave) for three days before he was resurrected. He was buried in the tomb. (grave)
Hobbs57
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 7:58pmI believe in Hell in the after life, but I also can be sure it is no worse than the Hell found in ones life. That is, the Hell ones actions lead them to. I am talking being so severely wrapped in addiction, trying to end my life but not having the courage to do it. Waking up every day to the horrible reality that I am still alive and must live through another day. A time when to live was to suffer. YEs, the chains of Satan that bound me could have produced a place no worse than that of which I have already walked. A place I choose to never visit again, certainly not for an eternity. If one can not feel, then they can not suffer. So I had always pondered upon the idea that Hell in the after life must be subject to the laws of the material world. Otherwise, suffering and torture would not be possible. Just as Adam and Eve couldn’t have know good and bad as they existed in the Garden of Eden, I suspect Heaven will be a place free of the ailments of our human condition. To exist absent knowledge and only to know wisdom.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 9:07pmYo Count:
Report Post »That’s good!….. but it couldn’t have been hell…. you were able to leave.
Tricornes
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:29pmObviously a Jehovah’s Witness. This article would seem to have the intention to poke fun at Buddhism, but just as there are many Christian sects that are a bit off the wall, so there are people who claim to be Buddhist who don’t really follow the teachings of Buddha. As a Jehovah‘s Witness you may believe that the Catholic Church’s view of Jesus Christ is incorrect, but that shouldn’t detract from the teachings of Jesus. In the same way just because some people interpret the teachings of Buddha a certain way or bow before a statue of him does not mean that his teachings were incorrect.
Report Post »IONNES
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:28pmhttp://www.helltruth.com
Report Post »child of God
Posted on September 10, 2011 at 9:17pm@mermaid7 How could Jesus have gone to hell when on the cross he said this to the robber seeking forgiveness “Today you will be with me in Paradise.” Jesus did however go to the Abyss after his resurrection to tell the fallen angels what he had done..
Report Post »child of God
Posted on September 10, 2011 at 9:20pmAlso i challenge any Christian that says Hell isn’t real to read 23 Minutes in Hell. You can find it at any Christian bookstore.
Report Post »big-jeff
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:48amI won’t be looking for Hell with Master Kek or watching Dancing with the Tards.
Report Post »Lotus4115
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:42amBut there are no universally-accepted descriptions about what, exactly, goes on in the afterlife.
Because there is NO afterlife.
Report Post »Crazy human myths based on the fear of death.
en2deep
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:46amJust take them on a tour to any communist country, or even any city in the US where dems have had longstanding control. It will be a preview of hell. Like Detroit.
Report Post »Bologno
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:50pmYou are sadly mis-informed. I pray that you diligently search for the truth. It pains and saddens me to know that you are taking your eternal destiny so nonchalantly. There is an afterlife. Where you spend it- is up to you. Seek the Lord while there is time! That door may close at the blink of an eye. Please take my words to heart!
Lotus4115
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 7:31amEN2DEEP you are right. I stand corrected, there is a hell.
Report Post »en2deep
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 3:22pmDon’t misunderstand me, I believe strongly in the existence of hell. I just don’t want it here on earth. The Bible says that the Nation that forgets God will be turned into a living hell. Communist not only forget God they ban peoples right to worship God. Kinda like what pharoah did with the Hebrews before God smacked him around.
Report Post »ritualrites
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 7:14pmwrong based on stomping on the blood of jeses christ not sin ! people tend to name one by one their sins! Jesus said I am the way the truth & life no man cometh unto the father except by me. It‘s not fear it’s plain & simple unbelief, rebellion & failure to repent will get you a ticket to hell. Try it & see mister fearless.
Report Post »teddrunk
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:49amIf he’s a Buddhist, is it the chick with 8 arms or the elephant or fish person that’s their god?
Report Post »QuestForCertainty
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 9:11amMaybe we shouldn’t be so quick to judge? One of the basic beliefs in Buddhism is to seek truth, illustrated in this quote: “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” When religions or cultures are ridiculed because of a lack of understanding of their beliefs, we are putting forth the same negativity we are so quick to condemn when it is pointed at our own beliefs.
In addition the “chick with 8 arms”, etc. that you are bringing up are Hindu deities not Buddhist. These images are rooted in ancient mythology and represent various aspects and characteristics of one God. Despite so many representations of god, Hinduism is ultimately monotheistic and there is a strong belief God and God’s grace is in everything. Once again ridiculing what we don’t understand is disrespectful of an ancient religion and culture that has survived since before our recorded history.
We get upset when negative and condescending statements are made about Christianity or even the Tea Party, but too often we don’t give the same respect and open mindedness that we want for ourselves. Even seemingly innocent “trying to be funny” comments feed the separation and hate we see across the globe. You have the freedom of your beliefs and the freedom of speech to question others but you also have the responsibility to do so with truth.
Report Post »Infidelephant
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 9:13amThat’s Vishnu (multiple arms) and Ganesha (elephant) – and they are Hindu, not Buddhist.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 11:43amTed- That would be the Gods of the Hindu religion. As I do with those who need information about the Christian or Jewish religions when disrespectful comments are made about them, allow me to extend a bit of information. Shiva’s (eight arms) depiction, as Ganesha’s (elephant) are metaphorical. As with most of us who practice religions who incorporate Gods (or a God) into our prayers, we are not praying directly to these depictions. They are simply a point of focus.
Report Post »ilovepotatoes
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 10:06pmI thought it was a flying spaghetti monster
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 10:57pm@This_individual…………..It’s idolatry
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 12:58amHe obviously has a pass to get into MSNBC.
Report Post »QuestForCertainty
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 10:09am@Greenwood….if you would make the statement that “God and Jesus are in my heart” would you be making an idol of an organ in your body? Or is an acceptance of God being everywhere and his spirit is manifesting himself in you. When you go to church and sit in contemplation at Jesus on the crucifix and try to fathom the enormity of his sacrifice as an expression of love, is that Idolatry? (Hint: answer is no)
As we obviously can see throughout the world religion and faith can be hijacked and used as an instrument of hate. But it doesn’t take murderous tyranny to cross the line, the seeds are planted when we are unwilling to accept and understand that God can be worshiped in different ways.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 7:10pm@Quest……………sit in contemplation at Jesus on the crucifix and try to fathom the enormity of his sacrifice as an expression of love, is that Idolatry?…………….YES
Genesis 20: 4 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth.
Report Post »also read……… Psalms 115: 2 – 8 and Isaiah 42: 8 and Deuteronomy 27: 15 ( it is detesable to God )
2 Corinthians 6: 17 ……………and quit touching the unclean thing………….(Idolatry)
Rayblue
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:36amTimothy Learys dead,
Report Post »La, la, la, la, he’s outside
looking in.
mikee1
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:27amI will give you a tour of Hell. Go to any dummycrap-run big city in America. Go to N. Korea. Go to Somalia or Afghanistan or anywhere that the Muslim Brotherhood is running the show. THERE IS HELL IN THIS WORLD, GOING INTO THE NEXT WORLD. LOL.
Report Post »jstan442
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:50amanswer me this–if there is no hell then why does Jesus warned people about hell??? He spoke about it more then He did about Heaven—and if He cannot lie(becoz He is God)-then i believe there is a place called hell
Report Post »Vasbyt
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:27amDid you just write that Jesus is God? Man are you screwed up, what happened to the comandment that you shall have no other gods before me and there should be no idol worship. Christians realy confuse me on that one. Realy, think about it people. I beleive in ONE GOD, as it is taught in the Old Testement.
Report Post »Katewells
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:45pmVasbyt… He is not “screwed up”…you are misinformed. Christians believe that Jesus is God…the Son. God is One God…three parts. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Each is God in His own right, but there is only One God. It is the mystery of the trinity and a central tenet of the Christian faith.
Human beings, created in the image of God, are also three parts. You are a spirit…you have a soul, and you live in a body. Don’t try to equate that to God. You cannot. He is not like you…you are only a little bit like Him.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:29pm@Katewells………….It is the mystery of the trinity and a central tenet of the Christian faith.
Revelation 17: 5 And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery; Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and the disgusting things of the earth…………………..“Get out of her” my people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toBOML5W4uQ
Report Post »flatbroke
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:09amSure,I can give anyone a tour of hell, 5 bucks each, and i take you to Joplin MO. and various other weather affected disaster areas in the country. seriously Hell does exsist, and i dont plan to visit ….ever! this guy is a charlatan!
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 10:50amDon’t forget to put the White House on your tour of hell–tell Barak & Michelle Hi!!!
Report Post »Sick and Tired of This
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 2:42amThere is no hell: “For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.” Ecclesaiates 9:5. Any vision of hell is from Satan.
The dead know nothing.
Report Post »Grannie4news
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 2:51am@sickandtired: I think you may be in for a big surprise when you pass to the other side.
Report Post »Sick and Tired of This
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:03amGrannie,the fact that there is no hell (check out the definition of Gehenna), is scriptural. I will not be o surprised. Join me … you are a scriptural person.
Report Post »notsofast
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:13amthen why quote the Bible? Your bucket holds no water.
Report Post »Conservophiliac
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:20amAre you kidding? You use a verse that says nothing about there being no hell to negate the hundreds of verses that explicitly say there is a hell? Interesting approach. It is fascinating how people can selectively choose which verses to believe because they can’t imagine how God would do a certain thing in a certain way. Probably a Mormon I would imagine?
Report Post »Hefsmaster
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:15amConserv, maybe you should do a complete breakdown so we know the odds.
Report Post »MARCH4HIM
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:27amDont sandwitch the word of god,to make it say what you want..
Report Post »The meanig of verse..it is telling you that after your DEAD.. you cannot better or worsen youself ..on what you did ,here on earth, while you were ALIVE..
Thats the beutiful thing in living today..We have Jesus the lamb of god. The final sacrifice,it is a gift !!
While we are ALIVE Thats when we live our life for CHRIST !!! Put our TRUST in him..Thats why people BELIEVE in Jesus Christ ,he washes are sins away with his BLOOD..our sins are covered by his blood,
THATS WHY CHRIST WENT TO THE CROSS ON CALVERY…And we try to tell everyone we can..
And for the people ..That does not except him as their personal savior …and when they die..
THEY CANNOT COME BACK AND HAVE A “DO OVER”…
FAITH COMES FROM BELIEVING AND NOT SEEING…
I hope reading this opened your eyes..
AND MAY IT GRAB YOUR HEART WITH TOTAL CONVICTION…
lmy6545
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:54ami agree with sickandtiredofthis based on what is written not what is taught. it isn’t until Christ returns that the dead are raised. He raised the dead while He was alive as a human as well. and when the earth is destroyed in the end, then the new city will rise. for the dead know nothing.
Report Post »lmy6545
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 7:59amit isn’t until Christ returns that satan is thrown into a firey pit known as hell. revelation 20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season
Report Post »if there was hell do you really believe Christ would want to hear His children screaming in agony for infinity? satan would, God is love.
lmy6545
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:08amrevelation 19:20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
then the remaining evil are killed
21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Report Post »lmy6545
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 8:13amthe only way to receive everlasting life is through Christ. which means there is no everlasting life in hell.
Report Post »Katewells
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:52pmI think you must be a Jehovah’s Witness. They do not believe in hell but quote Scripture all over the place. The only thing is…they quote it from a bible that has been altered to suit their beliefs. There is, indeed, a hell. And there is a judgement day when the dead shall rise from their graves and face the Living God… Facing Him without salvation through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ would be a terrifying thing, per, Hebrews 10:31.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:13pmKatewells; – I think you must be a Jehovah’s Witness. They do not believe in hell but quote Scripture all over the place. The only thing is…they quote it from a bible that has been altered to suit their beliefs.
I would invite you to do some research on the origin of the English word “hell”.
When you do you will find that the original Hebrew word translated into English (hell) is Sheol.
And the Greek word translated into English is Hades.
The meaning of the word Sheol and Hades is the same meaning; The grave, pit, or burial in the ground.
Now, when you read in any Bible (even yours) and find the English word “hell”, know that the meaning of the mistranslated word “hell” is “GRAVE”, not a burning torture.
If you wish to ignore this education, then go and remain in your ignorance. It is up to you.
Report Post »When you condemn a person for telling Truth as you cling to falsehood does not suit you well.
Bearfoot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:22pmKatewells; – There is, indeed, a hell. And there is a judgement day when the dead shall rise from their graves and face the Living God…
Does that not contradict itself IF there is a burning hell of no escape?
Your last line is good and accurate; Facing Him without salvation through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ would be a terrifying thing, per, Hebrews 10:31.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:13pmPsalms 146: 4 His spirit goes out he goes back to his ground
In that day his thoughts do perish.
John 5 : 28,29 Do not marvel at this because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.
Report Post »Hell = is the grave of mankind (hebrew) Sheol & (greek) Hades
Gehenna ( Valley of Hinnom) symbolic of complete destruction, no resurrection
Bearfoot
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:41pmWhen Jesus speaks of Gehenna (sometimes translated as hell), he is is referring to the Valley of Hinnom, which was a refuse dump outside the walls of ancient Jerusalem into which all manner of trash was thrown, including criminals not deemed worthy of a regular burial in the ground (sheol or hades).
It is interesting that the the Holy Scriptures does not ever suggest that a person remains conscious, or thinking, after they die. They return to the dust from which they came.
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:05pmLMY6545 I hate to be the one to rain on your parade but hell is eternal & souls that are sentenced to hell are there forever. You refer to eternal life, you have to realize life & death speak to the physical realm not the spiritual realm. If you die right now (God forbid) your soul would go to heaven or hell. Jesus’s resurrection defeated death & he now reigns in Heaven with his resurrected body. The rest of us will receive a resurrected body at Jesus’s second coming. Alot of people would disagree with this but I BELIEVE Romans 11:15 speaks of this also when this will ocurr is when the Jewish nation is converted to Christianity. The souls that are in hell right now will also receive a body again –but their eternally dead. Revelation 20:6 speaks of the second death–these souls will EXIST in physical body but it’s a eternal state of death not life.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:12pm@LMY6545 .you are right……….God is Love…………..and a loving and merciful God would not torture souls in fire forever or He would be no better than Satan the Devil ( Slanderer ) Anyone who says so is slandering God’s name.
Report Post »@Katewells…………There is, indeed, a hell. And there is a judgement day when the dead shall rise from their graves and face the Living God
Are they in Hell ? yes like you said ( the dead shall rise from their graves ) Hell= is the grave
Hell = Sheol (hebrew ) & Hades (greek ) the common grave of man
Gehenna ( Valley of Hinnom ) no resurrection
mycomet123
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:39pmGREENWOOD, I would normally ignore you BUT in case their is some gulible soul out there who would happen to believe your crap–I’m responding for their benefit. First off, Jesus mentions eternal hell countless times in the Bible, Matthew 25:46 is one of them. God puts no one in hell–people put themselves there. By the way GREENWOOD– You are calling a Jesus a liar stating there is no eternal hell ( where the worm doth not die) & there is consequences to the lies you spread!!
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:01pmDeath, as described in the Bible (Genesis 2:16-18) is the punishment for sin. Torture is not the punishment for sin.
That is why Matthew 25:46 says; “these will go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal. KJV
The absence of life is indeed punishment, especially if there is no future resurrection for a person judged to be wicked
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:06pm@MyComet123…………By the way GREENWOOD– You are calling a Jesus a liar stating there is no eternal hell ( where the worm doth not die) & there is consequences to the lies you spread!!
If you think it’s a lie believe what you want but before you you say that I am spreading lies do your own research of Gehenna see what you find. That is where you find “the worm doth not die” GEHENNA ( the Valley of Hinnom) A garbage dump outside of the city of Jerusalem where they put criminals not worthy of burial. There was a constant fire there to burn the trash. It was the site of pagan sacrifices and in order that it would never be used again they made it a dump. Look it up do your own research Like Glenn says don’t take my word for it.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:44pmFeeling the absence of God is real. Real and painful…
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 11:06amGreenwood- Please do not confuse Hades with your discription (or your religion’s description) of “hell”.
Report Post »They are two completely different things. Furthermore, Hades himself does not have anything to do with “the devil” as that has nothing to do with early mediterranean religions. I am glad that you know your religious teachings very well. But please, if you are to make comments on other religions, please take the time to study them as I have yours. This way, we can have a cordial and educated discussion on our love and devotion toward our repective faiths. Dii Te Ament.
Greenwood
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 6:45pm@This_Individual……you said…….Greenwood- Please do not confuse Hades with your discription (or your religion’s description) of “hell”……….. please take the time to study them as I have yours.
Hades is the greek word for hell or the grave.
Report Post »Webster’s Dictionary / Hades 1. the home of the dead, 2. the state or resting place of the dead, 3. hell
maybe if you just took the time yourself.
Greek (hades) Hebrew(sheol) =Hell …………It’s easy to check you do have a computer if not a dictionary. or you could check other translations of the bible at http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1-3;&version=NIV;
Bearfoot
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 11:40amGreenwood,
Your suggestion of comparing , side by side translations of the Bible is excellent and the place to do that is indeed biblegateway.com
Report Post »I use it often.
TH30PH1LUS
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:52amHis Burger-King hat clearly identifies him as a tour-guide to Hell.
Report Post »shukov
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:17amThx for the laughs
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 10:53amI appreciate you sense of humor –thanks for the laugh also!
Report Post »Smug
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:37amOh Please, you’ve got to be kidding. I bet this shyster charged a hundred bucks a pop to take these gullible people to a pretend hell. When they could have just as easily been loaded on a bus for half the price, and paid a visit to the CBC………………MSSMUG
Report Post »Slayer
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:27amI hate stories like this. You read the headline and think ‘this might be interesting’. So you read on and on only to find out that um, no one saw hell. In fact, a lot of people saw nothing and a handful saw some people and one saw a night market.
Report Post »Yup. A night market.
And if you want to know more, you can click one of these eighteen links which take you to more nonsense.
What a worthless, stupid story.
Indomitus
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:36amThis person is not a Buddhist mystic, and this sort of nonsense has nothing to do with Buddhism. . He is a huckster. I wonder what purpose the Blaze had in even covering it.
“The mighty ocean has but one taste, the taste of salt. Even so, the true way has but one savor, the savor of freedom.”
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:59am@ Indomitus
It’s SAVIOR, not savor! Geez.
Report Post »Hefsmaster
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:25amindomitus
Report Post »The purpose of the blaze covering retarded **** is to see who still buys it….
GodsPuppet
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:18amYou don’t have to travel to Malaysia to see hell , just go to Philadelphia to a union rally, or Chicagoland!
Report Post »Pigpen
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:17amI thought that the Buddha taught that we are currently hell NOW, and that we should seek to be released from this hell or samsara or wheel of suffering by attaining moksha or release. Now this Buddhist monk is teaching that there really is a hell? WTF? College was such a D@MN waste of time!
Report Post »Pigpen
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:31am*currently in hell
Report Post »Pigpen
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:35amAnd why in hell did these fools pay a monk to take them to hell? Isn’t it traditional to pay a monk to keep you OUT OF hell? Or is that just a silly Western tradition? Maybe we Westerners aren’t spiritually sensitive enough to realize that we should WANT to go to hell?
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:12amSeveral years ago I attended a hypnotic session and at one point those caught up in ther hypnosis acted like they were standing on fire after the phsychologist told them so.
I tried the hypnosis but I freak out when it began and no longer allowed myself to try it. If there were ever a medical reason for hypnosis I’d attempt it but not for meere fun of curiosity. It was weird.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:59amThe last time I hit my head real hard, I saw a great light and had this almost spiritual sensation of flying through the cosmos….then I woke up on the floor with a rather large knot on my head from the impact of the hammer…..
Stanley the Great Swamie can do the same for you, $10 at The Home Depot
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:10amOK, but did you “see” your human form as I did? Were you surprised that you could “see” your body as you floated above it? If you didn’t, then your soul didn‘t leave it’s body.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 2:45am@DIANE
I saw, felt, and smelled the Devel once. I’m serious…really happened…
Report Post »I also heard and met Jesus once…that really happened too.
Diane TX
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:58amIf you believe in God, then you must believe that you have a soul. How else could you “go to heaven or hell”, if you didn’t have a soul to go there? Human flesh isn’t present in either place. I haven’t been to either place, but my soul escaped my body when I was five years old, so I know that I have a soul, just as everyone else does.
The phrase that “We are made in God’s image” doesn’t refer to our physical form, but refers to our spiritually. God is not a human being and does not have a physical form. Although we think of “him” as our Father, this is not in any physical sense, but as the Creator of our souls.
The Bible says that God created “man” and I believe that he created everything, but I also believe that evolution was involved, and THEN God decided to give the human race – Souls.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:17am“but I also believe that evolution was involved, and THEN God decided to give the human race – Souls.”
Although I personally reject evolution your idea could very well be the case. I do not think anybody knows for sure. I do not find the bible saying one way or the other regarding evolution; just that the first male human was Adam and the first female human was Eve and that God divinly created them for a divine purpose and gave them souls.
I knew a person who came unto God through a solu leaving exerience. In his case his body was shot. He was high on cocaine and I something else, probably drunk on booze. He remembered seeing his body, got scared and a voice asked if he wanted to stay or return. He responded that he had to go back and in an instant he awoke.
Although I do listen to these stories somewhat skeptically, I’ve no doubt as to what he told me. Glad to read that you leanrend something good from your experience as well.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:20amCLARIFICATION:
When I said “his body was shot”, I meant wasted on drugs, not by a bullet or anything.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:39am@ DARREN
I’m glad that your friend saw the light. You do realize that I wasn’t under the influence of anything because I was only five years old. Religion wasn’t even a factor at that age. My family went to Church every Sunday, but I really didn’t understand anything back then.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 10:03amYo LNY6545:
According to what is written….spoken by Jesus Himself……..
Matthew 5:22
Luke 16:23
The Rich Man and Lazarus…Luke 16:19-31
Read the bible… It will scare the hell out of you…….
AS IT IS WRITTEN
There are many, many, many more !!!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 10:07amWe are spirits in a body
Report Post »not a body that has a spirit.
there is a difference
quiensabe
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:26pmFirst God “created” man in his image, create is not evolving.The bible says Eve came from Adam’s side so did she evlove out? Evolution and the Bible do not agree with each other, you can’t believe in evolution and believe in God, sorry. God does have a physical body and his name was Jesus. You speak pc to be accepted by your liberal friends.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 4:52pm@Diane TX………The Bible says that God created “man” and I believe that he created everything, but I also believe that evolution was involved, and THEN God decided to give the human race – Souls.
Genesis 2: 7 And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.
He wasn’t given a soul, he became a living soul.
Genesis 2 :17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in that day you eat from it you will positively DIE. ( not to a fire in hell)
Report Post »For dust you are and to dust you will return ( Sheol )
Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 5:47pm@4Truth……….The Rich Man and Lazarus…Luke 16:19-31
Report Post »It’s an Illustration or parable…………..The rich man was the religious leaders, Pharisees, Sadducees and the chief priest as well. Lazarus represented the common people which were looked down on and hungered for spiritual norishment. They symbolize classes of people. The bosom of Abraham was his position. A position of favor and the rich manin figurtive torment.
Father Abraham…………………send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue,
Also Abraham must have a pretty big bosom everyone in heaven there
Jesus is illustrating a reversal of the Lazrus class and the rich man class which takes place with the new covenant and Pentecost 33
They have Moses and the prophets; let them listen to these (the 5 brothers) his religious allies
Jesus often would speak in illustrations it was how he taught. Like the wheat and the weeds, the lost sheep, Prodigal son, etc.
4truth2all
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 9:40pmYo Greenwood:
Report Post »My pride is going to show here …..you speak down to me… don’t like it.
I know what a parable is…. how about this
Rich man = well to do
poor man = not so well to do
Rich man = hell
poor man = heaven
position in life means nothing…. the first will be last. and the last will be first… do you know this verse??? Another one … what good does it do for a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul.
Ironic = rich man is now asking poor man for help (complete opposite)… see verse above
dip finger in water = extreme torment… please see other verses that speak of hell… in fact see parables since you know them so well
rest of parable = unrepentant hearts
WHY DO YOU MAKE IT WHAT IT IS NOT… it is what it is …jeeeeeesss. Do you do that with all the parables?
Not even sure why you are explaining that to me I only listed it as a reference to hell.
No disrespect to you.
Greenwood
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 11:01pm@4Truth………….My pride is going to show here …..you speak down to me… don’t like it.
I know what a parable is…. ……………..Do you?
Parable = Allegory…………..A story in which people, things, and happenings have another meaning, often morally instructive, as in a fable.
It’s not about the position in life, ……….the first will be last and the last will be first ……..That is the dramatic reversal between The Lazarus class (Jesus’ disciples) and the rich-man class, the symbolic great chasm that separates them represents God’s unchangeable, righteous judgement.
The rich man request “father Abraham” send Lazarus to the house of my father, for I have five brothers.” The rich man thus confesses he has a closer relationship to another father, Satan. The rich man request that Lazarus water down God’s judgement messages so as not to put his 5 brothers in this place of torment. But Abraham said, They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to these.
Report Post »He is told: If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be pursuaded if someone rises from the dead. They must read and apply the Scriptures if they would obtain favor not special signs or miracles.
I don’t know about you but I believe in the God of love not one that tortures someone forever.
It comes down to either you will be resurrected or not.
John 3:16………………………….might not be destroyed (perish) but have everlasting life
perish= to be
Greenwood
Posted on September 7, 2011 at 11:06pmPerish = to be utterly destroyed or to die a violent or untimely death
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 11:39amYo Greenwood: Parable:…. compare, comparison, short ficticious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a fictitious principle. ( websters)
IT DOES NOT HAVE ANOTHER MEANING… it means what it says. Have you not ever spoken in parables to make a point?
Oh, and by the way I said that I know what a parable is = means = represents. Did not need to look in the dictionary, yet you still found it necessary to TELL me….???
You also said… ” I don’t know about you but I believe”….. Maybe you should make a little attempt next time before you talk AT me to “know” me….. ( cont.) “in a God of love not one that tortures someone forever”.
You mention judgement= God’s justice….what if it is forever?, because I can use many,many verses that say it is, in fact this parable would indicate that very thing, as do others.
So my question to you is this…. where is Lazeras?, where is the rich man? I believe that you contradict yourself in your own reply, and I find a number of parts that I would humbly disagree with. But I could be wrong, at any rate; God can do whatever He wants any way he wants and it’s just!
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 12:20pm4truth2all,
Can you clean up your last comment? It is very confusing in its structure.
Lazarus and the rich man in Jesus’ illustration; they are fictitious individuals created by Jesus to illustrate or tell a story to get people to think outside of the box. He was addressing the crowd hoping that some of them could think in spiritual terms not in fleshly ways.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 4:12pmYo Bearfoot:
What is it that is not clear?
In both of my posts I indicated that it is a parable. I even wrote out the meaning of a parable.
It is as you say a fictitious story to illiustrate A TRUE SITUATION! There is no need to think “outside the box”.
We should ALWAYS think in spiritual terms, and I am fully aware of what Jesus was doing.
“A parable” … If you go into the house of a another, and it is dirty and in disarray make an offer to help him clean it up. If he refuses your offer, make a second attempt. If he again refuses leave the man to himself……My parable explains itself. You do not need that and this, or this or that . Do not ADD to what Jesus says.It causes problems.My suggestion is exactly the opposite …stay in the box and let the spirit lead.
Report Post »Do you have any futher questions? … Respectfully
Greenwood
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 6:00pmYO @4Truth2U…….you said………We are spirits in a body
not a body that has a spirit.
there is a difference
Psalms 104: 29 If you conceal your face, they get disturbed.
If you take away their spirit, they expire, and back to their dust they go.
Psalms 146: 4 His spirit [ru'ach] goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish.
James 2: 26………..the body without spirit [pneu'ma] is dead.
Spirit = Hebrew (ru’ach) & Greek (pneu’ma) translated also “force” or life force that animates all living creatures. The body dies and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it. This does not mean that the life force actually travels to heaven. At the time of the resurrection the spirit or life force will be given back so that a person sleeping in death may live again. John 5: 28,29
God’d power will form a new body and bring it to life by putting spirit, or life force in it.
Believe what you want about hell your own pride won’t let you see the obvious truth.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:39amThis is nothing more than a guided meditation with a goal and a method. No true meditation is guided, has a goal or a method. Whenever one subscribes to a step-by-step process to get from one place to another it is just Ego. It might be fun but, it’s not real. Whenever one tries to go from one place to another, in meditation, they have an idea or a set goal. The mere setting of this goal and the idea of it, will always limit one to where they already are… in thought. And meditation is awareness not thought. Awareness has no path, no goals, and no methods. If you seek Awareness you are coming from a point of lacking Awareness. Coming from a point of lacking you will find division because you want to be divided from where you are at. What something is… is what it extends.
But, I’m sure it was a fun ride for those who came to see Hell. Even I’ve been known to go to an amusement part from time to time. At least I know that I‘m in an amusement park when I’m there.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:32amHe took them to New Jersey?
Report Post »Slayer
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:00amHysterical!
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 1:07amOr Washington DC.
Report Post »Thevoice
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:08amI thought we already got to see hell were Obama and the new age progressive communists took us …
Report Post »georgiavietvet
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:05amnothing more than a scam and a hoax………………………………………………………………
Report Post »Whyismynamealwaystaken
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:00amWhat no flames and torment? Man it’s like they want to go to hell? Hell is hot and horrible. Thank God for Jesus! No hell for those who love Him and do his will.
Report Post »junior1971
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:58pmYa gotta love the power of the mind. I wonder if they had to pay for it?
Report Post »MMSands
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:14amProbably a whole lot of money. It’s quite the trip, doncha’ know…
Report Post »gdbhusker
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:57pmEven Lucifer can transform himself into an angel of light……….the great deceiver, this is a huge lie….there is a “favorable” experience for those who went to hell……..YHWH have mercy on these poor misguided souls…….Peace be with you all.
Report Post »islandlady
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 12:39amAmen….
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 11:57amFrom what I’ve read, Lucifer (light bringer or bearer) doesn’t transform into light. Rather, he is light since he is part of the Charubim (the closest angels to your God). Peace be with you also.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 3:59pm@This_Individual………….From what I’ve read, Lucifer (light bringer or bearer) doesn’t transform into light. Rather, he is light since he is part of the Charubim (the closest angels to your God)
Maybe you should read Revelation 12: 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on September 6, 2011 at 6:06pmGREENWOOD- Thank you, I have read Revelations. Since the description Lucifer is quite clear in the book of Ezekiel, I would venture to say that the description in Revelations is more like a description of his character. That is, if it is the same creature we’re talking about. Many blessings to you.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 2:56pmIt was that same being of light that appeared to Mohamed and gave us the deception of Islam. Joseph Smith’s encounter gave us the deception of Mormonism. Satan never sleeps.
Report Post »onyxsky101
Posted on September 5, 2011 at 11:56pmwow…… Presented without comment…….. hmmmmm
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 8:24pmYo Greenwood:
Sorry you did not get my point about about the spirit and the body. The verses you posted do not speak against it. In fact they make it. I know these verses. You continue to speak AT me, instead of asking what I meant. Do you always treat people with disrespect as you throw bible verses at them. I do not believe that is the way we are to HANDLE the Word of God!
Why did you not respond to my reply back? Instead you bring something into the discussion that is irrevelant. I know why people usually do that. I was not born ten days ago in spite of what you may think.
Pride has nothing to do with my current beliefs(understanding) concerning heaven or hell. Now you falsly accuse me of something…Look to thine own eyes first….. Don’t consider yourself better then you should….. I am always open to being corrected or learning more, so you could not be more wrong .Do you always try to make enemies of your brothers?…. be Blessed, you need it as much as me.
Report Post »Greenwood
Posted on September 8, 2011 at 10:37pmYO @4Truth2U…………Yo Greenwood:
Sorry you did not get my point about about the spirit and the body.
We are not spirits in the body. The spirit to the body is like electricity to a radio. When you pull the plug where does the electricity go ? Also you don’t have a soul you are a soul. Many people think the two are the same. Genesis 2 : 7……………and the man came to be a living soul.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 12:55amYO Greenwood:…..
Report Post »STILL talking at me… still trying to be right?
I admitted to my own pride’
I admitted that I might not have all the answers
I admitted that I might be incorrect ( I stand before God with what I said)
Said I was willing to learn
No disrespect… but you SEEM incapable of humility, you had a number of opportunities to show it and you missed it. You still did not answer my simple question to you of …where is the Rich Man, and where is Lazarus. If you can not do this….end of discussion…. go find a mirror… I enjoy speaking WITH someone, can you manage it? …….FROM 4Truth2u… doesn’t work for you either. Now you TRY to insult me…boy you really are setting a Christ like example!!!
Old Truckers
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 4:44pm4truth2all,
What’s wrong with you?
You ask for your questions to be answered but can‘t seem to answer anyone else’s questions. And you seem incapable of acknowledging a very clear explanation of matters when the Bible is clearly quoted.
Lazarus and the rich man; where are they? They are nowhere, they are an illustration. A made up story to teach through word pictures. There is no illustrated Lazarus, rich man, or your beloved hellfire. Even this old trucker knows this, so come on, get with it.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 9, 2011 at 7:58pmYo Old Trucker:
DID YOU READ ALL THE POSTS CONCERNING THIS DISCUSSION?
I respectfully ask you what questions did I not answer ?
Concerning my inabilities to acknowledge the clear explanation of matters when the bible is clearly quoted, I do not know what you are refering to. The issue at hand is that we do not believe the same thing concerning hell. I understand the words of the bible, disagree on the meaning.
As far as the parable… I believe I explained CLEARLY a couple of times, even using the meaning from the dictionary of a parable. The story ( parable) is used to explain the truth of how things will be. I NEVER, ANYWHERE SAID THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS WERE REAL PEOPLE.
I could throw some stuff back in your face here but I will not do that.
In all due respect to you this was not your discussion. (I know it is an open forum)
I will answer any question concerning this discussion and anytime I am asked. I suggest that you read more carfully next time,because you sure seemed to miss alot.
Report Post »I again ask, what question/s did I not answer? ( since your here now)
Greenwood
Posted on September 10, 2011 at 4:14pmTruth4U2………Lazarus and the rich man; where are they? They are nowhere, they are an illustration. A made up story to teach through word pictures. There is no illustrated Lazarus, rich man, or your beloved hellfire. Even this old trucker knows this, so come on, get with it.
It would seem the Old Trucker gets it.
Report Post »Jesus was talking to those religious leaders who like you and ancient Babylon believed there is a hell.
That’s why Babylon is the Empire of false religion in the book of Revelation. Like I said believe what you want. Revelation 12: 9 …………..Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited erath;…..
4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 1:08pmYo Greenwood:
Should I call you deadwood?
First I am glad that you are still talking.
I would like to say that if I have offended you, I apologize. My purpose here is NOT to argue it is to reason. My purpose is to the truth of God’s Word. NOT WHAT I THINK. Therefore, it is NOT my “beloved hellfire”. I do not wish or want there to be a hell. I do NOT tell God about Him. I let Him tell me.
I will again say: that a parable by it’s own definition is a story that depicts a true situation, event or fact. Why would Jesus tell a story that had/s no basis in truth? Would you then say that ALL the parables were just bedtime stories?
Concerning Old Trucker… he seems like a fine person that agrees with you. Majority doesn’t rule!
I spoke with 3 Pastors who are my presonal friends, I have been involved in leading and teaching youth (teenagers) for 15 years. I say this not to boast but to indicate that I am not a novice. I was willing to give you the benifit of some doubt (not much). This is why I spoke with the pastors. These three men are all men of God who seek His truth, and keep to what the bible teaches.
I fully understand that hell is difficult to understand or comprehend comming from a loving God.Knowing that a loved one many be there because of their refusal to repent and believe is not a pleasent thought. My pastor, who also sits on the Board of the program I direct ,made a good point that I knew but forgot. Those in hell are there because they did not what
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 1:45pm(cont.) to repent.
So, does God send them there or is it actually their choice.
In Revelation; during the time of the bowls being poured out (the wrath of God), there is a verse that says… and still the inhabitants of the earth refuse to repent. God, in his love, is actually wanting them to do this. BUT THEY REFUSE. They hate God and do not want to be in His kingdom. Those in hell actually get what they want.
Please read Matthew 25:31-46… PLEASE NOTICE verse 46 especially, it is here that you have both side by side. As I have said; I could put verse after verse, story after story, old and new testement. I chose not to do this by the leading of the spirit.
My suggestion to you is this…. do your own study of hell and all references to it. I have.
Report Post »In all humility I have walked a trail of 10 miles and you 5. I am telling you about the five you have not walked, but you insist that I do not know of what I speak. Not only that, but if I understand your implications, you are compairing me to Babylon and satan. This is a dangerous statement by you, foolish at the least. I speak with the spirit of the Lord and the truth of His Word, and you compair me to the devil? If I were you I would give serious thought to that statement and repent to God because you have at the least falsely accused me. I know what a mature follower of Chirst responce would now be. Your reply will indicate where on that trail you are.
I have spoken ALL in Love!
4truth2all
Posted on September 11, 2011 at 2:08pmFinal Thought:
You say Jesus was speaking to the “religious leaders ” I believe that is only partically true.
Report Post »Luke 16: 19-31 is the parable… at verse14 it mentions the Pharisees (religious leaders).Please go to Luke 15:1-2 where it says that He is talking to …tax collectors and “sinners”, it also mentions the Pharisees. This would clearly indicate that he is talking to ALL people. Not a specific group. Let it say what it says. Do not add or subtract from it as God warns us not to do…..be blessed.