Bush: ‘Damn Right’ I Approved Waterboarding
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Though many have condemned the George W. Bush administration’s use of so-called “enhanced” interrogation techniques to extract sensitive intelligence to aid the United States’ war on terror, the former president’s new memoir makes clear his unapologetic approval of the method.
In Decision Points, debuting Tuesday, Bush writes candidly about how as commander-in-chief, he personally approved the waterboarding of accused Sept. 11 plotter Khalid Sheik Mohammed — an admission that likely won’t win him any fans in the human rights community.
But that’s okay with Bush, who recently said he doesn’t care about “perceptions” of his presidency and legacy.
The Washington Post got the tip:
In his book, titled “Decision Points,” Bush recounts being asked by the CIA whether it could proceed with waterboarding Mohammed, who Bush said was suspected of knowing about still-pending terrorist plots against the United States. Bush writes that his reply was “Damn right” and states that he would make the same decision again to save lives, according to a someone close to Bush who has read the book.
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Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:30amshould have done much more than waterboard these terrorists. they should all be publicly executed by stoning, since they like to do that so much…. we can even do it on TV, and sell tickets to be one of the stone throwers.
pipe a high-def satellite feed straight into tehran, cabdriverstan and heroinistan – let our TRUE enemies see what happens when you piss off the rattlelsnake
Report Post »biggreenboo
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 11:07amAnd use the proceeds to pay for health care… Luv It!!!!
Report Post »MitchnTexas
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:47amBush was far from the worst and not the best but was Bush. I am amazed at how people concerned about our future spend so much time bickering about the past. Bush approved of a method to obtain vital information, right wrong or indifferent at least Bush made a decision in the direction of fighting terrorism so who cares about all the other nonsense. Today we have an ideology taking a strong foothold in America by manipulating our “Freedom of Religion” at the same time progressives are chomping away on our Constitution and well funded by Soro’s. Unemployment is rampant while the Government daily spends millions on crap, sends millions out of the country as gas prices rise and other commodities go up while the dollar devalues and an ideology from Islam gains strength on our soil as we move ever closer to a one world order. Bush approved of waterboarding a scumbag, so what? If it works don’t fix it and we see today the results of fixin it? The people who complained the most about torture of terrorist are the one’s who daily beat, disfigure, grossly torture and behead women, children and men. Was Bush the problem? or is the problem really how simple it is to distract us from seeing what is happening by us individually or collectively wasting time arguing about “stuff” two years ago or more while not putting our energy into preventing what IS coming tomorrow in what we do TODAY?
Report Post »patriot4evah
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:41am“Damn Right”… sounds like a really good slogan going forward.
Report Post »sejelmom
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:27amI’ve had two Presidents that I would follow to the ends of the earth..Ronald Reagan and George W Bush. “Damn right” sums up my emotions in a nut-shell.
Report Post »ilikai
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:17amGlad to hear that W had the guts to get tough with these radical subhumams. The only way to defeat them is to get tougher than they do. Too bad Obamanation doesn’t know what thats about, he is to busy bending over and taking it up the *ss from his fellow muslims.
Report Post »MitchnTexas
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:49amwhen obama bowed to Saudi he demonstrated without doubt where his alliance is?
Report Post »Tripper
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:47amahhh, a president who puts his people before political policy. I miss him.
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:45amThat’s what we loved about him! He never wavered in his job to keep us safe! I still love ya Dubya, didn’t always agree with your decisions (McCain-Feingold, Rx, TARP) but I still love ya!
Report Post »NHABE64
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:30amAny man or woman who has been in combat, any man or woman who has been through survival training knows that waterboarding is NOT torture. This is because these people have been through it. Uncomfortable yes, torture no. Now if you are a wimpy liberal who has been pampered and never had to to through any such training or never had to stand like a patriot and fight for their country, then yes it probably would seem like torture. This is because these wimps lives in a make believe world where things like this only happen in the movies not their real world. Oh, the horror of it. Give me a break, I guess only those who have endured combat would understand what has to be done when your up against it. What the wretched japs did to our POW’s in Japan was torture, what the North Vietnamese did to our POW’s in North Vietnam was torture, same thing for those who were prisoners of the North Koreans in the Korean War. What moslem terrorists have done to those they captured was also torture. But to suggest what Ameicans have had to do in combat situations is torture, has to be straight from the mouths of people who have never seen real combat or had to fight for our nation or had to react to a situation where their combat brothers or sisters lives were in jeopardy. For those of the mindset that waterboarding is torture, wake up and get a life.
Report Post »Sunnyr
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:21amThis is exactly the attitude I like in a President, especially after a demonic, cowardly attack like 911. He didn’t hesitate get the information needed to circumvent a half dozen planned attacks. Thank you, President Bush! You are missed.
Report Post »EP46
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:21amWhen you are fighting thousands of extremist hidden in the mountains of such large countries you cannot ‘play nice’. It is shameful that we are still 10 yrs in…..but that is because the government is ‘playing nice’. War is hell…….everything bad that has happened is because it IS war. We have liberal leaders that are permitting our brave young people to be killed daily because they will not turn loose the greatest military machine on earth. People on the left do not believe in war. They do not want to spend the money. They want to take the money and give it to other countries and play nice. This president has no interest in protecting America..at home or abroad. He is not only destroying us at home, he is letting our military down. The only way to be safe is to show that we are the strongest military on earth. The torture that was done to our soldiers during previous wars is horrible. No country is going to stop just because we do. What is a little water boarding compared to what has been done to our people ? I say when your life is threatened you fight to win. Let our great military leaders lead this war……….get potus off his knees bowing to foreign leaders and lock him up in a room. He is the danger, not water boarding. The lives of our young people depend on this street thug. He is letting terrorists come across our southern border. We are at danger of not only losing the war on terror outside our country, we are at great danger of being overtaken by terrorists within our borders. Get enough of them inside the US, then add in martial law, and American exists no more. I felt safe under GWB, I felt he would give the ok to our military to protect us. We are in extreme danger of losing not only our liberty but our lives, and people want to talk about water boarding !! I come from a family where every generation served in the military and not all came home. I give my deepest thanks to all who have served and protected us…but we are in great danger now abroad and at home. Thanks President Bush for loving our country and keeping us safe.
Report Post »JohnnyJT
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:05amWhatever to takes to get vital info to Stop Terrorism.
Report Post »Mike in Columbus
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:36am@JT … and to keep our brothers and sisters in arms and our citizens safe. War is hell. So give ‘em hell. Went through SERE even before it was called that back in ‘72 on a base in Washington state. For those of you who consider water boarding torture my question is always the same: If if were your son or daughter you could save would you water board his/her captors? Most say, “Yes, in that situation.” And my reply is, “Those who died on 9/11 were our brothers and sisters and sons and daughters.” For those who answer ‘no’ … I ask, “What if it were you who needed saving?”
Report Post »New-American-Saviors
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:52amThe last of “The Generation” of United States Presidents. A commander In Chief when we needed one! History was made during his tenure and he served it well. As for Criticsism the Katrina was Mother-Nature,so if that was the major Complaint. Put a Lid on it.
Report Post »This man inspired a great deal of Courage when the word Terror MEANT any second un-certainty.
What America has now is a War within itself under feeble and Anti-American Leadership.Water-Boarding was a necessary and more merciful technique than what those Animals did to our people and even their own. People that haven‘t been involved in war have no idea what it’s like. And basically have No right to opinion on what methods should be used. Just appreciate the Leadership and security we HAD….Because now it’s in the wrong hands,and we will pay more than we are.
showourstrength
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:50amThe way we fight this war reminds me of how the Brits fought in the american revolution. Shoulder to shoulder, in rows and columns and marching properly. The Rag tag Americans won. This should serve as a lesson. Fear is a better deterrent than war is a solution, but make no mistake that we are always at war, its simply a matter of hot or cold.War is truly hell, so win quick.
Report Post »Is their any question that our Boys used unconventional(Geneva) methods during WWII?
LibertyOrDeath
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:02amSorry, I don’t agree with torture. Think about it. Our POTUS now thinks most Americans are “enemies that must be punished”. Torturing is a bad precedent and the unintended consequences of a possible dictator rising to power over here to abuse it is frightening.
Why is this “war on terror” taking 10 years? This is a never ending war. Not even a real war, since war was never declared by congress. Take our real enemies out overseas with private mercenaries and then just end it. Even it means innocent causalities. Quit playing footsie over there and bring our men and women home to help secure our borders. No more being “911 for the World” and and no more being Global Empire Nation Builders, please. Our founders meant for us to be like the Swiss.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:48amYou have obviously never served in the military, let alone in a combat situation defending your nation. That being said, although I will die for your right for freedom of speech, as an intellectual and someone who has been where you will never be, I will advise you to shut your stupid cake hole. Your ideologue and opinion serve neither the defense of this nation nor the honor of your name.
Report Post »New-American-Saviors
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:58amAnd you use the handle Liberty or Death ? Where will you be when it’s time to Walk the walk?
Report Post »LibertyOrDeath
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:51amDid you even read my post? No where was I being disrespectful to our men and men in the military or to anyone who ever served. I have a living Uncle who survived Iwo Jima and still has the bullet in him.. Please be more civil. I love our military men and women. I guess we’ll agree to disagree on everything else. Take care.
Report Post »Puppy
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 10:04pmI didn‘t realize you could read our founder’s minds. As for water-boarding, I’m glad it was done as it has saved many lives. I wished it could have saved the life of a fellow soldier I served with in Iraq. Maybe if we had water-boarded some of the detained terrorists we had control of, they would have spilled the beans as to who was about to launch the mortar attack that killed my fellow troop? Maybe it would have revealed the identity of the scum bags who shot the water truck driver in front of his young son? Maybe it would have prevented another young troop from losing his face to an I.E.D.? Maybe a dear friend would not now be a widow…I could go on but the point is it would be worth it. A few minutes of discomfort for the saving of countless lives. Yes, it is only a discomfort but is very persuasive and saves lives. You, sir, need to wake up to the world we live in; the enemy we are dealing with will not even hesitate to kill your family members before your eyes and then cut your head off. He is ruthless, cold blooded and not afraid to die so I am sick and tired of the cry babies who have never served getting on their high horse only to tell those who are tasked with protecting our way of life that it is immoral to inflict minimal discomfort on a ruthless enemy in order to save American lives.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:58amLighter fluid and a match would be my approach, on a part of their body that would make it hard for them to enjoy those 70 virgins
Report Post »LasVegas Lady
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:52amGeorge W is a Patriot!
Report Post »Pnxgld
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:23amWhile I don’t agree with a number of economic decisions, He’ll yah on water boarding.
Report Post »As for no WMDs, not true. Though just some TS pics just surfaced cause of wikileaks , there has been proof for awhile that has been withheld for some reason.
susi
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:19amIn this day and age when tyrants are running countries around the world and walzing into the UN to give big speeches that are applauded by other countries around the world – at this point who gives a damn what the rest of the world thinks. They don’t like us one bit better now that the man-child is bowing to them and sueing our own states.
Report Post »Luckywon
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:24amVery good point Susi, we really need to stop cow towing to the rest of the world to gain their favor. Who needs their favor? it‘s not as if they really have anything they can offer to us that we can’t get or make ourselves,
Report Post »Jimmers46
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:14amA-holes running around cursing Bush make me mad enough to fight, I served in Viet nam and saw what our enemies ,then and now do to us! People who don’t believe in God will say and do anything!
Report Post »America is waking up,as we saw Tues. The left doesn’t realize that Islam hates them too!
Ray2447
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:13amWhen I was in the military they only made us run around in a room full of tear gas, then take our masks off. They never got around to water boarding us. It must be a more recent aspect of military training.
Report Post »Luckywon
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:19amRay, depends on your job description in the military. What you described happened to everyone, and still does. In Boot Camp. Not everyone goes to SERE.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:00amLMAO…were you a Marine too? Made us sing the Marine Corps Hymn while walking out with a lung full of crap just waiting to spew out of our mouth and nasal cavity as we were walking out of the gas chamber….wanted to tell my momma and my congressman how horribly I was being treated then remembered, I was being trained as a United States Marine, shut my mouth, sucked it up and walked it off.
Report Post »Semper Fi, my brothers.
StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:06am*Brothers. In ALL branches, you are now, and always will be my Brothers and Sisters.
Report Post »Semper Fi, no matter your branch of service.
I Love you all.
I_Call_BS
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 11:29amI got to do SERE too. I remember seeing the videos of the real torture that was done to our troops in EVERY conflict we’ve been in. These people whining about it have no idea what torture is. So for those people. Waterboarding is meant to SIMULATE drowning without causing any actual harm to them physically. It’s a mind game. No how about an example of real torture perpetrated against John McCain by the Communist in Vietnam. They tied his hands together behind his back. Then they tied ropes around his biceps and tied them together behind his back. Then they tightened the rope until his shoulders popped out of his sockets. Then they rotated his dislocated arms up and over his head and lifted him off the ground. And beat him until he told them what they wanted to hear. Extremely painful to say the least. That is TORTURE! Waterboarding brings us to their level? I guess maybe it looks like that to someone sitting on their couch sipping on a latte watching a bigscreen tv.
Report Post »BlueStrat
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:09am‘Atta boy, George! You don’t need to be apologetic in the least for what you had to do to save and protect American lives. History will remember you well.
I didn‘t agree with GW’s spending and border/immigration policies/actions, but taking the fight to the enemy that attacked us on our own soil and making *them* play defense and wonder which of *them* will die next is exactly what needed to be done. Could he have done better? Maybe. But we didn’t suffer another attack, concerning which Bin Laden himself says he had several planned.
I’d say 99% of the criticism in hindsight is nothing but Monday-morning quarterbacking by ignorant fools filled with hubris that have no idea of the actual situation, information, and the options he was faced with, and have no clue how heavy the weight of direct responsibility for protecting ~300 million-plus lives on one’s shoulders can be.
Criticize his domestic political job as President all you want, but his job as Commander-in-Chief was carried out at least as well & honorably as any other President.
That’s all I have to say about that.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:51amI agree, though I hated much of Bush’s presidency, he was a bad ass mofo….and just think what a gore presidency woulda given us from 2000 on….sheesh!
Report Post »free2bme1961
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:26am@BLUESTRAT; I am really starting to believe that everyone who comments here, is agreeable to the consequences of a NEW WORLD ORDER….the patriot act; done in secrecy, was directed toward a NWO agenda; skull & bones, isn’t exactly a bowling team…I liked Bush too, along with his family. but they know not what they are doing….indirectly. His daddy’, George H., wasn’t kidding when he spoke about the NWO….
The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933*
“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control…. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets*
“The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard University, ‘has not been able–nor can it be able–to shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand.’ … The new world order that will answer economic, military, and political problems, he said, ‘urgently requires, I believe, that the United States take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.’”
*Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in an article entitled “Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World Order” — The New York Times (February 1962)*
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:42amFREE2BME…..We agree with you, now get your mind out of the past. YES the Bush’s were involved with this, but the guard has changed and changed to a whole new level of Constitutional eff-ery. Bush has been gone for 2 years now. What he did with his presidency has NOTHING to do, nor does it EXCUSE, what is happenning now with the obama executive membership. NOTHING. YES Bush whittled our free rights away with the Patriot Act. YES. We GET IT. We LIVED IT. Now is time for you ******** to GET OVER IT. We are in a new presidency, a new era, and this cat is far more dangerous to the constitution, and the American way of life than dubya EVER had hopes of being.
Report Post »DUBYA WAS BAD. NOW YOU ADMIT OBAMA IS FAR WORSE.
free2bme1961
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:55am@StMichelob; Hey Dingbat; not a lib; nor left nor right; I just happen to be caught in the middle of a very sick game; duh…we all are….You need to get your mind out of the KEG, and into the “present”!.
Report Post »StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:05amFREE, did you even pay attention to my words? apparently not….“You need to get your mind out of the keg”…are you implying that I’m drunk? Argue with me on the topic, don’t involve yourself with name-calling and diversion. Be smart. I expect nothing less here, or I will eat you alive. Last chance. Perform or be embarrassed.
Report Post »free2bme1961
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:36am@ MIchelob; ….Blah, blah, blah, blah….you’re so adorable!…are you related to my favorite commenter, Obamaworshior?
Report Post »Oh, God!
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:57amI take that she did not want to have a discussion with you STMICHELOB since her last post was the same as all the others. Too bad, she might have learned something.
Thank you for your service and dedication to keep us safe and alive.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:39amFREE2BME1961 is one of the few people on this site who give me hope.
Report Post »free2bme1961
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:26pm@ Oh God….it is a complete waste of time to argue. Obviously the truth is far too difficult to absorb for you and others.
You want facts? Okay sluggo, go to a web site about an interview with a man named Fritz Springmeier. Look it up, under the title of “The Illuminati and Mind Control Slavery”. If you do read this, and still can’t grasp the whole concept, of what is happening, and who it involves…you are part of the problem.
“But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush’s mind the New World Order was founded on a convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council.”
Excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in The New York Times (January 1991)*
If you still think that I am the enemy, and lying, ….all I can say is, by the time you realize I am trying to help, because I care…..and not doing it for money, or fame….if you become shaken into reality when it’s too late,…..you may want to learn how to “Pray”…and do it sincerely!
Don’t wait for Glenn or any of the media to tell you the truth. He can’t, even if he wanted to….the media is owned by the elite…..yes, it includes FOX news too. Sucks doesn’t it?
“We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
*David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.
Report Post »free2bme1961
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:44pm@ N37BU6 Thanx…(wink) ;)
Report Post »mrsdawn
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:02amWe need a president with that kind of guts to stop this terrorist madness.
Report Post »N37BU6
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 2:57amDid you guys buy one yet?
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Report Post »Luckywon
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:08amI haven’t yet. Sadly, I‘m experiencing what it’s like to be one of those statistics who is out of a job. Thank you Mr. Obama.
I remember what the unempoyment was like under Bush… 3 to 4 %. how many straight months of job creation did we experience in the Bush Economy?
Sorry about going off on a tangent. I can’t wait to read the book.
Report Post »We Are Not Alone
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:29amLUCKYWON:
Thank you for your service.
Report Post »realindependent
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:21pmYour gonna blame Obama for not having a job? Really? This economic situation happened under Bush’s watch. Just like 9/11 happened under his watch. You say he kept us safe? How your minds work is beyond me. We were attacked under Bush. He didnt keep you safe. He had his daily brifing august 6th 2001. Bin laden determined to strike in the U.S. also the anthrax attacks on D.C. so thats twice. So dont give me this crap about Bush kept us safe. Also he had all the troops he needed and the whole world on his side after 9/11. So what does he do. Starts a war in Iraq at the same time while giving tax cuts in America. Besides the men and women who wear the uniform, Who else contributed to this war. In WWI and WWII Americans sacrificed to fund the war. instead Bush gave tax cuts and no bid contracts to haliburton and other contrators that were making hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting next to our troops making 40k if that a year. Sickened me. Not too mention Bush never put the wars on budget. He always did emergency Suplimental bills to pay for the 2 trillion dollars it has taken to pay for these wars. Which we borrowed from the Comunist Chinese. Please and you wonder why we are broke. Also medicar part D a not payed for Mandate he also did which cost us 600 billion. So dont tell me it was poor people buying houses they couldnt afford that caused a global banking melt down. If poor people can do that. then hell let them fight the Terrorists. Oh wait they are. bush tripled the deficiet while you republican watched and cheered him on. And O’bama spends 700 billion stimulus bill to help the middle class. 30% by the way was tax cuts. is all too blame for your jobs bieng lost. when bush was in office we lost 700k jobs a month for the last 3 months of his term. Fact. Since Obama has taken office he has created more jobs than all 8 years of Bush. Fact….
Report Post »joseph Fawcett
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 2:56amGood for Bush. I have mixed feeling about him as president but with the war I agree 100%.
http://www.josephfawcettart.com western artist
SheriS
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:48amWhen you compare President GW with what we are forced to endure now, there is no comparison! We have a real idiot now, while the Progressives attempted to make GW an idiot–while he was far from it! I’ll take GW any day over the idiot we have at the present time!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:59pmAGREE … I would still like to see Obama’s college records .. and an I.Q. test .. he doesn’t seem like the brightest bulb … GW had our backs!
Report Post »Question with BOLDness
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 10:57pm@joseph Fawcett
I agree totally…. I don’t agree with him on everything, but in regards to the war 110%!!
Report Post »Waterboard till your hearts content!! They do A LOT WORSE to ours!
I certainly wish he was in now instead of the jack@ss we have now
SilentReader
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 2:50amThese Islamists who don’t play by the rules and mass-murder should not only be waterboarded but put away for good. As it is they are put in Club Gitmo and given their Qurans and pray mats and better meals than we can afford, and treated like the Supremists that they think they are! Can you say dhimmitude?
Report Post »w4jle
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:48amGood thing I am not dictator, they would get nothing but pork chops in the hope they would starve themselves to death! They laugh at our rules as a sign of weakness and these ***** liberals want them to have all the rights of an American citizen. I guess they all feel safe blogging in mommies basement…
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:58amOur military is expert at killing people and breaking things. If a war cannot be won by doing that, it should not be fought. I don’t think that our leaders have let our great military do what they do best. The people we are fighting are united in one religion which dictates most of their actions and our leaders will not acknowledge this extremely important fact.
Report Post »PinTwister
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:06amI believe that a war should be fought on the field of battle. And in the case of this war, knowing how our civilian pansies coddle these animals, we should end every conflict ON THE BATTLEFIELD. Then we would have no need for GITMO or any other military prison.
Report Post »Luckywon
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 2:42amI miss Bush. That was exactly the attitude that the Commander in Chief should take. He sticks to his guns and makes no apologies. I‘ve always thought that waterboarding shouldn’t be considered torture anyway. We use it on our own troops in training. I was waterboarded in Maine, as a way to show what to expect if our plane went down behind enemy lines and we were captured. While it sucked, I never feared for my life. Also… how do you prepare your troops for what to truly expect?? it’s not like you can simulate raping us, then cutting our heads off with a dull knife on camera, then burning our bodies.
Report Post »I suppose there just isn’t a good way to prepare.
joseph Fawcett
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:02amThanks for serving our country, yep the enemy would not hold back. Glad you did not go through any of that.
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rebel
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:13am@ lucky
Report Post »EXACTLY RIGHT! Our soldiers are being lead by pansies! they should cut you guys loose and let you do the job that will end all this strife.
StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:48amI want to explain to you all who are safely locked in your homes and have no perception of what this war on terror means, or how it is being fought what we are facing.. First: We, in the first time in American history, are fighting a war against an enemy who has no border, no capital to seize and claim victory over, no way to claim a “solid victory” over. This is a war of ideology, against individuals of a common thread who seek to destroy America, and ANYONE with a shread of freedom of religion in their founding doctorine. Thes are a people who, by religious docterine, seek to make the entire globe, and all persons who reside in it, a member of the Islamic faith, either by subversion, coersion, or if you do not comply, by death according to their bible. They have attained victory after victory, not because they are “better” than the American and coalition troop, but because we as Americans adhere strictly to the geneva convention…..and they adhere strictly to the laws of Sun Tzu.
Report Post »Sun Tzu says many, many things in the laws that govern successful warfare, and these “rag-tag unsophisticates” have read his works cover to cover. Meantime, our troops are subjugated to what is proper in the “rules of engagement”, subsequently handcuffing them to what what must be done in a time of war, in defense of this nation.
This policy of “rules” is not only incorrect, it is grotesque when dealing with an enemy of this nature. Our country, and many other countries, are under an assault from many different fronts, and the ‘rules” are making us impudent and ineffective against those enemies.
Now don’t get me wrong, we have learned, as an armed force, to improvise and adapt to those rules, and to our enemies, to subvert those attacks against us, especially in the field of battle. But something must give, and give very soon or the battle will be in the hands of homebound citizens with only the second amendment and their own stock of arms to defend this great nation of freedom.
The world has damn near abandonded us, and I say it is time to do what is in our best interrest to defend our own. In our time of great peril and great need, leave the Geneva convention behind, take up the philosophy of Sun Tzu, and get our business handled. If we keep moving down this road and war comes to our shores, I guarentee that the world will not like what it sees when all Americans fight a war within our own borders. Because, ByGOD, we will not ever be taken.
Put that in your hash pipe and smoke it, al-queda.
StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 3:49amBy the way, got side tracked….waterboarding? really? I suffered more when I was 10 than these ******* in GTMO….just saying…
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:07amDAMN RIGHT MR. PRESIDENT!!
I’m with you all the way. This country has become such a bunch of ******* that they think dunking a mass murder’s head under water is torture. Political correctness will destroy this great nation.
I feel so strongly about this that if I lose my mind and kill a bunch of innocent people, you have my permission to waterboard me. Right before you execute me!
Watching MSNBC…….NOW THAT’S TORTURE!!
Report Post »realindependent
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:15amWoW, All you strict constitutionalists and law abiding citizens. You say the government does too much. and those damned illegal aliens breaking the law. and Government overreach make me sick. Waterborading is TORTURE. plain and simple. we prosecuted Japanese soilders for waterboarding Americans. It IS illegal. So btw is wire taping Americans. You guys cant have it both ways. If we Stoop too the level of the terrorists, then we become as low and disgusting as they are. Thats what makes us better than them, better than any other country in the world. Dont you see that? You say obama is trashing the constitution. George Bush did it numerous times and you guys praise him as a hero? Why this double standard? Because its war and war is hell? Its ok to trash the constuitution and our Laws and treaties signed cause its war? I think Health care for all is a war, So Am I right to say Obama can make it legal to force you to buy health care? Commerce clause in the constitution says he can. But thats right you guys only know right to bear arms…. Not right to bear arms for the purpose to form an orginized Militia. or freedom of speah and freedom to protest. There are many more and amendments to the constitution. I suggest You all read the whole constitution not just the ones you like. You dont get to pick and choose the laws to suit your argument. Just like Bush was supposed to pick which american laws to follow in war. Shame on anyone who thinks what he did was right cause he was a republican. shame on all those who now say oh i didnt like what Bush did when it now doesnt fit into your t- party says you should like. You guys backed everything he did for 8 years without question. and now you say that wasnt my republican party or i was never a republican. Haa Haa Haa. 2 years from now you’ll say you were never t-partiers when they try to take your Social Security money.
StMichelob
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:24amREALINDEPENDENT pay attention. Read what i have said many times in this post alone. BUSH EFFED UP, THE PATRIOT ACT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. And you saying the ‘commerce clause’ makes it correct to force Americans into buying helth insurance?? Well, that statemene makes me not even want to respond to you. That statement is so incorrect….read the 10th amendment over again before you spew oberman’s propaganda in this post you effing ******.
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:46amThank you so much for your service!
Report Post »DagneyT
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 5:58amSTMICHELOB (love the name, and “get it” too), you are preaching to the choir. Most of hear are fans of Glenn’s, and are therefor familiar with Sun Tzu. As for me, I volunteer as a Soldiers Angel, and work with our wounded warriors at SAMMCC (formerly Brooks Army Med. Ctr.) who are wounded warriors. ROE is the bane of their existence and too often their fate. We should either fight to win, or stay the hell at home! This particular war is a whole different ballgame than any before it, and one which can only be won when Jesus returns. In the meantime, bringing muslims to know Christ is our best weapon against them! I saw a youtube vid wherein an imam lamented that islam was losing as many as 6 million to Christianity every year. Now THAT’s the way to win this war!
Report Post »Steve Neiling
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:56amHey, Realindependent, at least when were all dead at the hands of these terrorists, we can say we were “better” people than they were. Warfare does not require “better” people. It requires determined people, strong people; people who want to see it through to the end, to the victory. If we were fighting a somewhat civilized nation, I could see using more “civilized” means of warfare. Unfortunately, we’re not. We’re fighting animals, brutal sub-humans with no sense of propriety.
Report Post »bandito1
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:03amThis is for realindependent;
Report Post »1 Stop whinning about water boarding, we’re in the middle of what is a religous war and when both sides abide by the same rules you can start whinning again. BTW, we don’t cut the throats of our prisoners on the internet, or rape them.
2 Your comment about the government having the right to force us to buy health insurance is wrong. The commerce clause allows congress to regulate trade not force citizens to purchase unwanted or unaffordable products, nor does it allow congress to rob from the rich to give to the poor.
HeavyMetalRooster
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:34amrealindependent, if you discovered that a terrorist had planted a bomb on a plane that your mom was on and you could find out how to disarm it by waterboarding the terrorist, would you do it?
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:48amYes, and that is why we had 0 attempts on the US, unlike the current person in office who has had more attempts (and success’) than I can count on one hand. I do miss his spine.
Report Post »WORKS FROM HOME
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:06amWE ALL miss Bush. I love his cowboy kick ass approach, but he is not a real conservative.
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LadyIzShy
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 8:53amthank you for your service
Report Post »SwizzleThis
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 9:38amAgreed. This is why I never thought that Senator McCain would make a good President. Sadly, exactly because he was tortured, he doesn’t have the stomach for doing what must be done in a battle with evil. I‘ve heard that with today’s sensitivity to doing what needs to be done, we never would have won WWII.
Report Post »HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 10:21amI miss George….a man that did what he thought was right and never gave a damn what others said about it! A man’s man and not some metro-sexual mom pants wearing limp wristed throwing arugala chewing media pandering megalomaniac.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 11:15amWell, the commies say that the ends justify the means, I prefer the rack and jumper cables as they offer the advantage of speed. Union wages being what they are it a management decision.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:45pmREALINDEPENDENT,
“I think Health care for all is a war, So Am I right to say Obama can make it legal to force you to buy health care? Commerce clause in the constitution says he can.”
First, commerce is participating in transactions, so the refusal to buy something is not commerce, even if you believe the Commerce Clause extends to all commerce.
Second, the Commerce Clause does not extend to all commerce. This is what it says:
“To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes”
And third, consider what it would logically mean to view the Commerce Clause to extend to all commerce, as well as “to that which would effect commerce” (paraphrase), which is what the Progressives claim it means. This would mean that everything that is done, or not done, by the citizens of America may be considered commerce.
If I don’t like Brussels sprouts, my refusal to buy them affects the commerce of Brussels sprouts, and so the government can force me to buy them.
The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights all become meaningless if the Commerce Clause meant what you think it means, because it can be claimed that the non-participation in Commerce actually affects commerce.
No, the individual mandate is unconstitutional and, further, as it is a pretended authority over our unalienable rights, and since the attempted enforcement of such a mandate would require violence in the form of theft or imprisonment, the individual mandate ought to be ignored by everyone, if possible, and defended according to the level of violence used in the attempted enforcement.
Report Post »realindependent
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:48pmFirst off they make you buy car insurance dont they? Oh wait i know the response already before you make it. You can choose not too drive. Yeah yeah. they still MAKE you buy something. is that unconstitutional too? and why STMICHELOB do conservatives always have to insult people? cant you make your point without calling names? As for STEVE Neiling, cant be better if we dont uphold our laws. wether we are fighting Russia or Terrorists. We are the better people cause we dont torture. PERIOD. we didnt torture when we fought Hitler. even though we new he was cooking people in ovens did we? NO. why cause it was illegal and wrong. Cant be justified no matter who we are fighting. And finally for BANDIT01, a religous war? Really? I guess you believe all Muslims are terrorists huh? I guess i can say all Christians are terrorists like timothy Mcvay then right? or all KKK members are white So all white people belong to the KKK? does that work for you? More people have died in the name of religion than all the wars combined. I know plenty of Muslims whom are decient God fearing people and would be horrified to read some of the things written on this message board. So are all muslims that live in the U.S. whom are citizens born in this country terrorists too? you gonna round them up and waterboard them till they tell you where the bombs are? People dont think when they are scared and i think you all are scared. and thats sad. Hitler said all the jews and blacks and muslims were terrorists and we see where that got them. Dont hate just to hate. I know my God wouldnt appreciate it. And Im a God fearing Christian. which now you’ll say im not and call me names. But im not scared and i fear no man. I fear Gods wrath on those who kill in innocent people in his name. Only he has that right. God Bless you all
Report Post »realindependent
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 4:52pmOh Yeah i forgot HEAVYMETALROOSTER. If my Mom was on a plane with a bomb on it planted by a terrorist would i Waterboard him to find out how to disarm it? This is not 24. Im not Jack Bauer. Torture doesnt work. It has been proven. It makes them give false testimony. But Iam a God fearing Law abiding citizen. So my answer is no. and yours should be no. Cause torture doesnt work.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:49pmREALINDEPENDENT: In the first place we did NOT prosecute Japanese soldiers for the action we know today as “waterboarding”. What we prosecuted them for was force-feeding POW’s enough rice to fill their stomachs and then pouring water down their throats and then jumping up and down on them until their stomachs exploded, and other such acts which INFLICTED REAL HARM ON OUR SOLDIERS. What we call waterboarding today consists of the oh so awful act of pouring water in somebody’s face. Which means, by your definition, that if I threw a glass of water in your face, even by accident, I would be guilty of torture.
Secondly, yes STATE governments require to own car insurance, but only if own and drive a car on ROADS OWNED BY A GOVERNMENT.
A DOCTOR’S LABOR: Great point about Brussel’s sprouts.
LUCKYWON: Thank you both for your service and for the great point you make. Do we really consider these evil killers to be above what we subject our own soldiers to in training?
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 6:54pmREALINDEPENDENT
“First off they make you buy car insurance dont they? Oh wait i know the response already before you make it. You can choose not too drive. Yeah yeah. they still MAKE you buy something. is that unconstitutional too?”
First, I notice that you didn’t address my point about your understanding of the Commerce Clause followed to its logical conclusion.
Second, it actually is my position that being forced to buy car insurance is unconstitutional, for the same reason that the individual mandate in Obamacare is unconstitutional.
“More people have died in the name of religion than all the wars combined.”
That isn’t saying much, since ALL wars are religious in one sense or another; because all meaning in life has its grounding in religion –
The right to life: due to you being worth more than the sum of your physical parts;
The right to liberty: due to you having first and direct control over your own actions, and therefore a responsibility to yourself, first and foremost, which, in turn, is grounded in your transcendent worth beyond the sum of your physical parts;
The right to property: due to you being the laborer who created the wealth that allowed you to acquire your property, which, in turn, is grounded in your transcendent worth beyond the sum of your physical parts.
And of course, there are those who claim that God told them to do this or that, and they are either right or wrong (this must be argued, and not merely dismissed).
So, whether you’re claiming that god told you to do this or that, or whether you’re protecting your own transcendent rights, your participation in those struggles are based in a worldview in which you actually have value beyond being just an object – and that can only be true if there is a God. Therefore all wars are grounded in religious principles.
“Torture doesnt work. It has been proven. It makes them give false testimony.”
It depends on the question, and what is already known. If I show someone that I have them on video opening a vault, both I and that person know that we both know he knows the combination. I promise you that any answer he gives can be checked, and the risk of more torture will either lead to him giving up the information, or the security of the contents of that vault are just too damn important to him.
Of course, if you’re just trying to get someone to say something, then you’re right that we all would probably (hopefully not, but probably) say anything to stop the torture, and therefore the credibility of what we say is suspect.
But if you’re just trying to get a statement of fact that can easily be checked, then of course torture works.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 7:51pmThanks for the Patriot Act you NWO scum grandson of Alister Crowley no wonder
Report Post »Bush liked Ozzy, Mr Crowley what they done in your head ????
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I am sure their is no truth to this story…..
Puppy
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 10:18pmREALINDIPENDANT: You and anyone else would sing like a canary if you were water-boarded and you would be truthful, too. You actually believe the left wing propaganda that the press has dished out to us. Water-boarding doesn’t work? LOL! Like I said, you’d sing like a canary!
Report Post »bandito1
Posted on November 6, 2010 at 7:32amRealindependent; I never said all muslims were terrorist or that all of any religion was terrorist or all whites were in the KKK, or however you said it. I said we’re in a religous war. Now this might be hard for you to understand so I’ll try to explain slowly and in simple terms. Even you might have noticed that all of the “terrorist” that keep attacking the west lately are muslims and that their intent is to have us convert or die they do not wish to co-exist with what they refer to as infidels and non believers. They wage a holy jihad on us in the name of God, now if that’s not a religous war nothing is or ever has been. So get off your soap box and stop whinning about some terrorist getting their face wet.
Report Post »BTW your car insurance thing does not cut it if that were the case anyone who even lived near,
worked near, or walked by cars would need insurance just incase they bumped into or tripped and damaged another person’s car.