Busted? Thermal Imaging Reveals Many Occupy London Tents Empty at Night
- Posted on October 26, 2011 at 1:51pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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Over the past couple weeks, The Blaze has received reports that some NYC Occupy protesters have been leaving their tents at night and fleeing to a local hotel for better accommodations. And while we’re still investigating those claims, it seems now there’s evidence of something similar going on in London.
The Daily Mail has published thermal imaging pictures showing that the tents at the Occupy camp near St. Paul’s Cathedral are nearly empty at night. The Daily Mail commissioned the photographs itself after images from a police helicopter showed similar findings. Here’s how it explains the photos:
These are the damning images that prove the anti-capitalist protest that has closed St Paul’s Cathedral is all but deserted at night.
Footage from a thermal imaging camera taken late at night reveals just a fraction of the makeshift camp was occupied.
An independent thermal imaging company, commissioned by the Daily Mail, captured these pictures after similar footage from a police helicopter found only one in ten tents were occupied after dark.
In these shots, taken late on Monday night, the presence of body heat from humans is represented by yellow and red inside the tents.
The tents that are coloured purple indicate they are colder and thus empty. The buildings behind are also yellow and red because of the higher temperatures inside.
Here are some of the photos the Daily Mail captured:
But The Daily Mail isn’t the only new outlet that became suspicious and decided to take thermal images. The Telegraph did the same thing the following night (Tuesday) and came to the same conclusion:
Here’s how the Telegraph explains its findings:
The footage, shot at 1230am on Tuesday Oct 25 shows a multitude of darkly coloured tents around the courtyard indicating those that were unoccupied.
On Monday the revelation was described as a “charade” and pressure was growing on the church and other authorities to evict the camp.
It would appear most of the protesters are heading home to sleep in their own beds at night rather than staying onsite.
“It is like a phantom camp – a big charade,” Matthew Richardson, a Corporation of London councillor, told the Telegraph.
“It just shows that most of the people don’t have the courage of their convictions and are here just to make trouble and leaving your tent here overnight is a good way to do that.”
An Occupy London spokesperson, however, told ABC News the images are misleading:
Naomi Colvin, an Occupy London spokesperson, called the use of heat sensing cameras an “invasion of privacy,” and said the analysis did a poor job of estimating the number of people inside the camp.
“We had at least 140 people that night,” Colvin told ABCNews.com, noting that the group uses sign in and sign out sheets to keep track of who is inside the tent city at any given time.
Colvin contended that the encampment is consistently two-thirds full and that people share their tents with others if they know they will be gone for a night.
The group has been at St. Paul’s since Oct. 15 and their presence forced the landmark to close for the first time since WWII.
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Comments (325)
vonclausewitz
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:26pmPotemkin Village- quite appropriate for this mob of useful idiots
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:25amGee. A protest against capitalism is being conducted by people who are using capitalism to survive. Sounds like a distraction to me.
Report Post »Nyle
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 8:29pmEmpty tents, empty heads — How appropriate. Why don’t the authorities come in and take the tents down at night. Is this a camp grounds? Aren’t these tents the same as littering.
If not, If I leave something behind in the park isn’t it lost and found? So take them down and put them in the lost and found.
Report Post »IAMINFIDEL
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:24pmI noticed that with the Occupy emcampment here in Pittsburgh. I see many tents but few people.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:31pmNah, they are there. The thermals just prove that these are indeed, cold-hearted liberals.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:33pmJust like their leaders they are frauds .. no doubt this is why they supplied the tents! Time to send these freeloaders packing … packing up their empty tents and empty heads.
TEA!
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:39pmthe legit homeless should occupy the tents…
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:42pmNEXT COMMERCIAL: “I’m not really against the free market, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.”
hahahaha OWS fail
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:43pmJB….you beat me to it. The thermal images of those occupying the tents, in all likelihood, ARE the homeless. Aren’t libs so compassionate?
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:44pmWhy are the Nazis thermal imaging peaceful protestors anyway?
Big Brother Satan’s eyeball peeking inside your tent.
Pathetic.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:03pmThe story says “BUSTED!” as if they’re breaking the law or something, this is a legal protest and demonstration.
The “BUSTED!!!” part of the story is the Nazis that’re “BUSTED!!!” thermal imaging a peaceful protest, and you hero-worshippers are “BUSTED!!!” bootlicking the Nazis for their Gestapo tactics.
“BUSTED!!!”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:06pm@V-man
They were reporters from a newspaper. These tents are pitched on public ground and causing a public nuisance. If they want privacy they need to go back to their own homes.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:11pmV-woman lace – the racist hypocrit of the century still lurks here, how special? You gonna shoot me today lady, LOL? You have good ideas about some things, but you are a racist bag of wind…
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:24pmSorry Ghost, but you are WRONG, brother.
If the cops saw me standing there with a thermal imager looking inside people’s tents, pitched in a public ANYWHERE, then I‘m willing to bet dollars to donuts that they’re going to mess with me, probably arrest me for voyeurism.
Privacy doesn’t stop at your house, privacy extends into your vehicle, your tent, the bathroom stall, etc.
You’re wrong.
The Daily Mail commissioned the photographs itself after images from a police helicopter showed similar findings. So the NAZIS are doing it first, just to set the precedent, and now everyone can run around with thermal imagers looking inside private areas? That’s ridiculous!
SGT UNIX Issachar Crust [add troll monker here], you can rise from the dust of your grave dragging your race card behind you, but your wine is still old even if you put it in new wineskin.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:31pmNice! Lmfao!
Report Post »johnsonm3012
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:31pmI don’t support these clowns at all, BUT…..
Report Post »As a professional thermographer, I see that these pics don’t say anything. There is no time stamp. This could be taken in the middle of the day and everyone was out protesting. Also, Thermal Cameras aren’t x-rays. If someone’s inside the tent, it won’t show up. It only sees the emitted temperature of whatever it’s looking at. Maybe everyone is sleeping. The reason the one tent lit up is probably because there is a strong enough heat source inside to warm the walls of the tent.
The person who took this photo either A) didn’t know how to use it. or B) intentionally started this rumor (removing or cropping time and temp stamps indicate) Most all thermal cameras have time, date, and temp stamped into the image file.
I don’t support the protestors, but I don’t support false claims either.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:35pmVMan
Thermal cameras reveal nothing about the interior of the tents except that they’re occupied. It’s no more an invasion of privacy than walking by and listening for breathing sounds coming from within the tents.
The photos here are from news reporters, not police. Your contention if I’m not mistaken is that they were from the police. They are not. Yes, the police were doing thermal scans from above in helicopters, which I suspect was more for a determination of crowd size (what can you see from a copter? Not much at night). While I have no use for the cops doing it, if a private citizen camps out in a public park where he’s not supposed to be camping, causes the park to have to shut down, I don’t find his cries of “privacy” very compelling. Besides, there was hardly anybody there, so there were what, 3 or 4 actual “violations” at most.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:45pm@Johnsonm3012
I don’t buy it. Lets see some credentials.
You signed up just to make that one post and educate us?
Maybe?
Maybe not.
Report Post »ishka4me
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:45pmsissy hippees. thiese are kids who can’t handle a job, did you think they could handle the elements
Report Post »OutOfTheAether
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:20pmOK. just a thought here. IF that is truly the case that these OWS knot-heads are actually leaving the tent at night for more comfortable accommodations, and the fact that this is being suspected in more than one city kind of lends credibility to it, then what do you suppose would happen if law enforcement quietly went in at night and ‘gathered’ up these ‘abandoned’ articles (the tents that are empty). Simply cleaning up litter left behind to clean the park. How would those coming back for the day be able to complain without revealing their duplicitous actions to their comrades. Do you think it would take the wind out the sails of the whole group? hmmmm. it’s fun to do wishful thinking
Report Post »mwhaley
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:20pmLeave V-Man alone. His mama hung his pee’d sheets on the front fence again. He has had a really bad day.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:47pmGhost
Thermal cameras reveal enough about the inside of tents to be considered an invasion of privacy. Tents aren’t transparent for a reason, so peeping toms can’t look inside. No, it’s not the same as “listening for sounds” inside of tents, which is also disturbing, why would a person be lurking around “listening for sounds” OR scanning people’s tents with thermal cams, other than to invade their privacy and see what a search warrant hasn’t authorized them to see? Why do the Nazis need a determination of crowd size? So they can calculate how much force to send at the peaceful demonstrators? Pick the right time and point of attack?
My contention is that PEEPING TOMS are lurking around people’s tents doing thermal scans to invade their privacy… I don’t care if its the Nazis in uniforms or the Nazis in plain clothes or the Nazis dressed as reporters.
Peeping toms are peeping toms. You might not find cries of privacy concerning thermal imaging inside of tents disturbing, that’s your prerogative. I see it as one more intrusion into the private areas the government has no place intruding. The public is public, inside those tents are PRIVATE. The fact that only a few people were there doesn‘t mean that the privacy of the owners of those unoccupied tents weren’t violated. If someone searched your car while you weren’t there (without a warrant), they violated your privacy too.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:52pmThis is what is meant by FAKE TILL YOU MAKE IT ! This highly planned, highly financed effort is just like everything else they do, a DANGEROUS SHAM.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:00pmSomebody should go an removed all unattended tents.
Report Post »TPaine
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:07pmFew people but many zombies! Get ready, people!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:13pmSure…support the police state and advocate a forceful removal of the peaceful protestors.
“First they came for the tents…”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:16pmHelp me out then V. What privacy was invaded? What identified anybody, there is no way to even tell if it is a person in the tent, the most you’re going to know is “mammal or heat source in tent”? How is this different than, say, taking a picture of a crowd to get a head count during a gathering, as many private people do? If it’s private reporters, how is it the actions of government?
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:52pmGhost
The privacy that was invaded was the contents of that tent, no matter if a person was inside or not. They don’t have warrant. If the cops scanned your car with thermal imaging or any other kind of imaging, then that is a violation of your privacy if they don’t have warrant. A regular citizen DEFINITELY cannot violate your privacy that way. If they scanned the contents of your backpack with a thermal imager while protesting standing outside of a tent, it’s a violation of your privacy, and an ILLEGAL SEARCH.
It’s different than a public shot for a headcount because that is a closed tent, not people standing outside a tent.
Additionally, thermal imaging can be a LOT more detailed than you think. Technology has advanced greatly.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:54pmI’m with V-Man on this one. This IS an invasion of privacy.
You don’t want these tactics used on you.
Report Post »ValiantDefender
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:32pmV-Man –
I get the angst. Someone says “You guys are lying” and then comes out with some “proof” that looks pretty damning. I don’t hear very much in the way of “the images are false” or misleading. There are a few who have said that…but even they admit they’re guessing as to the results being misleading “maybe the photo was cropped and this is during the day”.
If we accept the premise that this was at night and at the time claimed, then the images are accurate and don’t show anything more than warm air in a tent. We don’t see body shapes, number of occupants, what they are doing, gender, etc.
Maybe all the protestors left to go buy a copy of Battlefield 3 at its midnight release? Or maybe, just of the screen, there is a tent full of 300 people, explaining the empty tents.
Report Post »amtsoundsmith
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:42pmSo V-MAN MACE, how do you feel about the group anonymous and/or wikileaks and their illegal methods of stealing and/or hacking information that is not theirs? Are you against that or is it okay when these activities are perpetrated on the government? Just wondering…..
Report Post »Abraham Young
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:51pmLOL. Privacy rules apply to people on their OWN property. Not “occupying” public property.
Hmmm, it’s wrong to occupy Afghanistan, Iraq, and any number of places the US does not own, but somehow these ******** feel they have a RIGHT to take over property they have not earned or put one shred of labor into?
I swear these people get stupider every day.
Report Post »timeout
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:33pmboring. i am sick of this junk, and this is wasting valuable space!
Report Post »copey99
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:47pmvman
so what do you say about any papparazzi then, or any tabloid paper? you know like crotch shots that go out everywhere?
Report Post »smokeysmoke
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:59pmv-man
Report Post »i may be wrong… BUT IS IT ILLEGAL TO TAKE PICTURES ON PUBLIC GROUND? SO STFU and go away…. your an idiot
cykoaudio
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:34pm@V-Man…the big point you’re missing is that these engineeried,payed for and artificial protests(by libs) are going to cause MORE Nazi’s..not less….these protests will only make the rich,the politicians and the like to say,“we need to to hire MORE police”…so the only thing that can come out of this is a BIGGER police state..or anarchy…either way we all lose
Report Post »veracity79
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 9:54pm@ vman – I don’t like the whole OW thing, but right is right and your points are dead on…I wish more “conservatives” would wake the he’ll up.
Report Post »ViewPointtt
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 10:26pmThis is the same tent trick used to topple former Egyptian ruler Mubarak. Once the majority of the protesters lost interest and dispersed, the vacancy of the square was not helpful to the artificially engineered overthrow… it was crucial to show strength in numbers… in fact, without a massive attendance and audience, their attempt would have failed… and so they sent up tents to disguise the vacancy, and defused interest.
Report Post »Uranium Wedge
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:00pmThose tents look like marshmallows… Full of fluff.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 1:03amWhy would they want to occupy Pittsburgh????
Report Post »Beerbear
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 7:50amV-MAN MACE, congratulations, you lack any understanding of what a nazi is. Bravo. Hint: it’s the guys in the camps. They are fascists.
As for the“invasion of privacy”. It’s a non-issue. Tents are the way they are not to keep peeping-toms outside, but simply because it’s simpler and cheaper to produce tents the way they are. Tents have always been like that. They’re a portable shelter from the enviromnent, nothing else. They are by no means useful to protect your privacy. Also, why should I worry about the privacy of a bunch of people who are told that killing “the rich” is good, who want to steal my money and who are only out for their own greed?
Report Post »Spirit 72
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:06amV-Man
So splain me, pls. The protestors are there to be seen… but we cant look? Oh, we cant look with “special” cameras to see how hollow their argument of “strength in numbers” really is? Or maybe, just maybe, you are incensed that they set up the tent and went home to be comfortable with mommie and daddie and you are one of the dumb one ones in the tents?
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:49pmamtsoundsmith
I think Wikileaks and Anonymous’ actions are relatively innocuous in comparison to the intrusions that Big Brother government commits multiple times daily. The Federal Government monitors ALL electronic communications. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. God bless the Whistleblowers.
God bless the Patriotic #@x0R$.
Abraham Young
The tents ARE private property. Your house is on public property too. Why do you pay property taxes? Because your house is on State property. If you would let them FLIR (forward-looking infrared) your tent, then you would let them FLIR your house, and we are living in a PRISON, I tell you! They can scan us with WHATEVER THEY WANT then, huh? Millimeter wave scan for bullion and weapons, microwave scans for other objects, steal your wifi data, look at thermal images of you and your wife being intimate…steal your brain waves…CMON MAN!!! WAKE THE )(*^&($#^(*&$%^(*&%$#*(&%*#&%*#&^%*#%*&# UP!
copey99
Crotch shots? C’mon man, what would happen to me if I did that in public…cmon. Be serious.
smokeysmoke
An infrared image is a lot more than a picture. It is not the same, and your oversimplification of it makes you…simple.
Beerbear
You ought to manufacture some transparent tents for protestors and see how well they sell.
Spirit 72
Report Post »You can be Bearbear’s first customer!
V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:57pmValiantDefender
My “angst” has nothing to do with the actual protest itself or what the MSM portrays as the core goals of the protest. I’m nonplussed by that and am quite aware of the co-option of the movement by leftists and the corroboration of the leftist takeover by neocons, as I am aware of the attempted co-option of the Tea Party movement by neocons and the subsequent corroboration by their leftist compatriots in that false dichotomy called a left-right paradigm.
I’m focusing on the intrusion of privacy alone with regards to those tents, the precedent set by the Police State choppers first acquiring FLIR data of those tents and subsequently run with by the media acquiring thermal images.
Report Post »Kevin52
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:35pmV-MAN: No invasion of privacy since no one entered the tent my radical liberal friend! Also, a peaceful protest? Hardly! The Tea Parties (and no, I’m not a member – yet) have put on peaceful protests with no race hatred, no vandalism, no trashing private property, no deceptions, no any crap being pulled by your so-called peaceful protesters AND with one message! These punks are ripe with anti-Jewish hate so maybe instead of calling others Nazis you should be go after your low life friends in the OWS movement. No wonder Obama supports them since they hate the Jews so much!!!
Report Post »restlessgraves
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 4:01pmI have to agree with vman despite how much I dislike the Occupy movement, I have a right to be secure in my person, in public and in private. A warrant is required to search my purse. Intercepting my phone calls or texts in a park is illegal.
that being said, get your warrant establishing that you suspect that the tents are unoccupied and therefore litter, then remove them.
Report Post »Bucknutpete
Posted on October 28, 2011 at 12:17pmFree tents for everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »the wireworker
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:23pmthey are probably at the Barmy Balmes House getting checked in….(lunatic asylum)
Report Post »copper
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:22pmSooo…the Occupy is a Big Fraud!! At least there is some Truth in British Journalism…can’t say that for the US Marx Media!!
Report Post »dmforman
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:19pmAgreed! Wonder how many of our tents are empty?
Report Post »Uncurable wound
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:19pmSpinless tools be careful what you start.
Report Post »Shine the Light and the cockroaches scatter…
TEA
Channel3
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:18pmThe OWS ball of yarn continues to unravel.
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:25pmI think it’s funn when he says “invasion of privacy”. He’s on a PUBLIC AREA and has no more right to claim privacy then a cop can stop you from filming him on a public street.
dumass college idiot – didn’t learn anything.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:57pmStarting to look like a cat got hold of that ball of yarn….
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:00pmSo…thermal imaging inside of your tent, car, house, etc, isn‘t an invasion of privacy by Big Brother Satan’s All-Seeing Eye?
How much crack DID you smoke this morning?
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:17pmV-Man:
Report Post »You seem to be confused about private property rights vs. public property rights. If you are in public, then you are subject to scrutiny. The ONLY reason these bozos are there is to attract attention. Now you seem to be complaining about it. If the ‘protesters’ want privacy, I would suggest that they return to their own private places, which, ironically, they seem to do each evening.
mike821504
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:22pmV-Man, did you even read the article? “The Daily Mail commissioned the photographs” the government had nothing to do with the photos…
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:31pmInside you tent isn’t “in public”, inside your tent is inside your tent. Private.
Inside your bathroom stall (even in a “public” restroom) is private.
Your semantics ***FAIL***.
I guess you‘re for privacy as long as it’s not the privacy of those who you perceive as your political enemies.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:35pmmike821504
CAN YOU READ AT ALL?!?!
The article says “The Daily Mail commissioned the photographs itself AFTER IMAGES FROM A POLICE HELICOPTER showed similar findings.”
So the Nazis set the precedent, and their lapdogs at the media run with it…
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:11pmV-Man
You are very confused about a couple of things I see. First there are no private tents in a Public place. Second a newspaper took the thermal images not Big Brother. It sound like you are upset that this OWS protest is a fraud. A couple hundred protesters doesn’t count as a majority movement. Just like the liberals in this country the OWS represents a small minority of loons who have no respect for the law or other peoples rights not to be inconvenienced by their occupation of public places.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:03pmI’m not confused about anything.
Sooo…inside of a tent is not private in a public place, eh?
What law do you base THAT on? A cop needs a SEARCH WARRANT to look inside someone’s tent, even with an imaging device!
A cop needs a SEARCH WARRANT to look inside someone’s vehicle in a public place! You have just as much privacy inside your vehicle in a public place as you do inside a tent!
You have become too accustomed to power grabs by the police state.
The cops did an aerial thermal imaging FIRST from a chopper, setting the precedent for the media to do the same intrusion WITHOUT WARRANT.
Whatever you think about the OWS protest is your prerogative, I don‘t think it’s fraudulent, I think it’s being co-opted and spun by the false left-right paradigm in order to steer a popular revolt back into their stupid little left-right loop.
I don‘t think the Nazi Police State has any regard for the law or anyone’s rights or privacy at all, and it’s apparent as they continue to intrude on our privacy with technology. Your “inconvenienced” argument is weak. They’re demonstrating. If it doesn’t break your leg or pick your pocket, what do you care?
Report Post »mr.goodvibe
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:46pmV-MAN MACE Thermal imaging does not see inside anything, It sees radiated heat, ( Infrared spectrum of light ) The only thing you see is the heat that warms up the outside object which then radiates the heat that is picked up by the camera. Infrared cameras assign a color value to a temperature using a fixed range of colors. You can set the span to just a few degrees and see a huge color difference because the pixel colors are a fixed number or look at it in grayscale. So basicly the Infrared camera is making a visual representation of ligh otherwise invisible to the human eye. So your argument that they are invading there privacy by looking into the tent is factually wrong.It is not possible to look indside anything with a thermal camera. JOHNSONM3012 I myself using Mikron and Thermacam Reporter software know that you are off base with the time stamp comment. The time stamp is listed in the file name or it’s properties and is put in the image or the report based on the software or camera setup. All that said I would not like someone scanning my house with an IR camera. But if taking images or video in public is legal then there is no invasion of privacy.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:13pmmr.goodvibe
You may be technically right in terms of radiation, but they are still spying on the contents of the tent without warrant.
You’re essentially making an argument that any waveforms that emanate from that tent are subject to surveillance by external means by anyone and it that it is not spying, it is spying. It’s an illegal search. If Google, the cops, regular people, etc., rides by my house and intercepts wifi waveforms, infrared waveforms, etc., that are they are not privy to by any other means other than technological means, that are not perceivable by other any other means other than technological means, then it is spying, period. They don’t have PERMISSION.
Why are they spying on protestors?
See, now you’re going to make someone develop infrared-shielded tents. Just for peeping toms. We have wifi encryption at least, can’t encrypt your body signature unless you use some advanced technology, like electrically conductive fibres woven into cloth or Infrared shielding, and that won’t cloak your heartbeat signal, brainwaves, etc.
I’m going to have to make a superconducting suit to block it all through the Meissner effect.
Report Post »Maybe a superconducting electrified tent just for Nazis… and bears.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:21pmmr.goodvibe
I’m about to find your house and set up outside your crib with a IR cam and monitor you.
Let’s see how long THAT lasts.
Stop lying to yourself. It’s an invasion of privacy.
Report Post »Jayms
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:26pmV-Man, you’re simply wrong. These protestors are not on private property. This is a public, political gathering, not someone’s bathroom toilet. It‘s truly amazing how you don’t understand this.
Report Post »One_Man_Army
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:58am@ v-man
V-man, you, sir, are a COMPLETE and UTTER buffoon. First of all, if the tent is on public property, which they are, the police do NOT need a warrant to search them. The law says that ALL the police need to search the tent, since the tents are on public property, is reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. The same holds true if the car was on public property. Search warrants are meant ONLY for private property on private property, NOT for private property on public property. THAT, my dimwitted little friend, is what the law dictates. There is absolutely NOTHING in the law that says the police needs a search warrant to search a vehicle or a tent in a public place. ALL the police need is reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. They need NOTHING more. That is the law, my friend. Might do you well to actually look into it yourself.
Report Post »matinva
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 6:41amV-man
Quote for all of us the law that says this is illegal or STFU.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 12:22pmAll you have to ask yourself is a few questions to see how you are wrong.
#1 Would you like someone to thermally image the contents of YOUR tent that you may or may not be occupying?
#2 Is a tent private property?
#3 Does a tent erected in a public space (like a park) BECOME public property to be thermally imaged by law enforcement or the public?
Jayms
The tent itself is private property. The contents of the tent are private. It doesn’t matter that the tent is erected on public property. What part of this DON’T you get?
One_Man_Army
A warrant means that you have to have a “REASON” (probable cause) to search. Until the reason (warrant) is accepted by a judge or consented to by the person who OWNS the private property – in this case a tent- they have NO LEGAL RIGHT to search. They don’t have PERMISSION either. The warrant or consent is PERMISSION, they sought neither and obtained neither.
Additionally, the wording of the law is PROBABLE CAUSE for arrests and WARRANTS (searches), and REASONABLE SUSPICION for detaining and frisking persons suspected of committing a CRIME and subsequently suspected OF BEING ARMED.
Search warrants apply to private property in a public space AND private property in a private space. They can only perform a search if they have probable cause. The people are demonstrating and protesting, this isn’t probable cause, this is a police state action to stop peaceful protest, an illegal search, and intimidation.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:17pmPure propaganda. No surprise and evil.
Report Post »evilhatemonger
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:17pmTake the empty ones every morning about 0300. Collect them in the pile that will be used for the Nov. 5th bonfires (UK party night, Guy Fawkes night). Just let them know that unoccupied tents/shacks etc. are litter and will be removed. They will need to put up or shut up.
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:38pmWhat a practical sensible idea. Which means they won’t do it.
Report Post »Jumper
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:32pmThat’s the best idea ever!! Well, except Beer, but you know what I mean. That’s exactly what the NYCPD should do. Just say hey “empty tents are trash and will be thrown away”, every night afterrrr say midnight. Only then will we see who has the courage of their convictions, because it’s going to get cold up there very soon.
Report Post »Briggston
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:16pmYour mistaken blaze the cold tents are full of useful idiot zombies that radiate nothing in the form of human warmth, goodness, charity goodwill to their fellow men or as Paul described natural affection. But you will find many of these living dead who are “lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Report Post »Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2 TIM 3: 2-4
Whether present physically or in spirit.
Gonzo
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:16pmMaybe they all went to the dentist…oh wait, it’s London, never mind.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:50pmAin’t that the tooth.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:13pmThese candyass protesters,haven’t they seen an episode of man vs. wild? Bunch of pansies.
Report Post »Duncan610
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:19pmBear Grylls for Prez
Report Post »Channel3
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:28pmOctopussies.
Report Post »Channel3
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:13pmThe 99% huh?
Empty tents.
Empty minds.
Empty message.
Report Post »MBA
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:12pmJust a big joke for the liberal media and the willfully unemployed (trust fund babies) with nothing better to do. Go figure.
Report Post »rpp
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:12pmWell, we all knew they were cowards to begin with, now we have more proof.
How about a 1:30 AM raid to clean the place out. That would do it.
Report Post »stoptheliesbho
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:20pmHahaha!! Right?!??!!??? Finder’s keepers. I could use a new tent…
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:21pmThe cowards are the peanut gallery who’re standing on the sidelines pointing fingers and supporting the police state. Jackboot-licking cowards.
This is a demonstration. It doesn’t stop because some pigs move in at night (like cowards) and upset the demonstration when the numbers are low.
Has anybody asked why the Nazis are thermal imaging peaceful protestors anyway? No?
Didn’t think so. More cowardice. It’s easier to criticize the protestors than to criticize the Nazi Police State and the corrupt financiers who fund the Nazi Police State. That’s cowardice too.
“In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.”
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:23pmV Man
You do realize that this story is in socialist Great Britain right? You know what the OWS protesters are all for turning America into? They already have FREE healthcare, unlimited unemployment compensation, police with no guns, no right to bear arms, etc…. Just more proof that no matter how much you give people for nothing they are never happy. Socialism never has worked, never will.
Report Post »YoungConservativesRule
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:53pmHmmm…Well V-Man here doesn’t seem to be seem to be obsessed with “The Nazi Police State” does he? Lol.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 6:18pmI’m not obsessed with a police state, I’m living in one.
How does one become obsessed with reality? Should I draw all my attention inward and ignore the police state being erected around me? Should I delude myself that its existence and continued erection is to be relegated to the confines of conspiracy theory? Should I appease my gut that it is not a threat to my sovereignty? Should I assume my sovereignty is not preeminent?
Of course not.
Report Post »YoungConservativesRule
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 7:23pmThat’s cute.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:41amShut up.
Report Post »Kevin52
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:50pmV-MAN: what’s there to ask? The conduct of these punks is all the proof one needs to thermal image their tents, which are on public property are not covered by the warrant process. I notice you turn to the law when you think it is to your advantage and call the law “pigs” & “Nazis” the rest of the time – typical liberalism! Everywhere these punks from OWS have been have been trashed & vandalized. Their protest is ripe with racism (I thought liberals were the great protectors of race? Yeah, right!) so thermal imaging is pretty mild for what these punks represent. Since they have abandoned their stuff on public property, the police should go in and remove the abandoned junk and auction it off for charity.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 5:20pmKevin52
You made one crucial mistake typical of bootlickers.
Police are not “the law”.
Another mistake, I’m not a “liberal”. I’m a Conservative Libertarian.
Report Post »Cosmos102
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:12pmAHHahhaahahahaha! What a bunch of liars and losers. Just look at those empty tents and false claims. These rich kids are not who they claim to be. They are spoiled and looking for a cause. Not poor college students who can’t find work thanks to the destructive, evil of Capitalists. Bett Midler better save her money on those Port O Potties she claims she’s going to provide in NYC. Many of the campers are in pricey hotels getting first class accommodations. What a crock.
Report Post »Kevin52
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 4:09pmCosmos, they are in the pricey hotels that only the rich they despise can afford. I bet you or I couldn’t afford to go there. Bet these punks would scream if they really were poor and actually had to live in one of those tents? I love the one who the MSM adored, the guy who claimed the banks had taken his parents house. The guy’s parents are very rich and never had their house even foreclosed on! Also, he has a full ride to an Ivy League school from Daddy & Mommy! The first to be executed in the revolution they are begging for will be the punks in the OWS and their rich, very liberal supporters! Executed by the same radical liberals they want to run the country!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:09pmAnyone else find it creepy that tabloid magazines in England go around with thermal scanners? I know their gossip mags are on another level compared to those in the US, but yikes, that’s freaky. I have a feeling they were hoping for images of people getting intimate together.
I’m curious about these “sign-in” sheets though. Who is representing and keeping track of this group?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:31pmKeep in mind that there is still a contingent in England that admires the free market and doesn’t like socialism. I’m fairly certain that they were there to expose the charade, not “peek” on anybody, especially since it doesn’t register precise forms through tent walls well at all.
A thermal camera is easy to get and use, you can buy one off eBay.
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:40pmSign in sheets are useless unless the entire area is fenced in with barbed wire. A sign in sheet in this scenario is purley voluntary. Means nothing.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:58pm@Ghost
“Keep in mind that there is still a contingent in England that admires the free market and doesn’t like socialism. I’m fairly certain that they were there to expose the charade, not “peek” on anybody”
I’m not so sure; they are a tabloid magazine, even if middle-market. That makes them more like the Daily Show than CNN, if you needed a left-wing media example. Considering they were the same magazine that published the story The Blaze used about people having sex at the OWS events, I don‘t think it’s a stretch at all.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:09pm@Locked
I’m quite familiar with who they are, and have more than a passing familiarity with English culture and society, believe it or not.
Look at the tents with actual people in them, can you make out any shapes? I can’t. Anybody fishing for lurid photos with a thermal imaging camera would be disappointed from the get go. Further, the article states directly that they decided to do this after some police copters noted the same thing on fly overs, so “lookin’ fer nekkid folk” theory is a non-starter for me.
Report Post »BloodSweatandTears
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:29pmThe sign-ins are the creepiest part. The libs really are about sanitized control. If they know there’s a log in to keep track, they know no one outside their control will know what hanky panky is going on. The sudden half million bank account is another tip. And all the supplies. Remember Soros just raked in a billion with his bet on the U.S. AAA credit rating falter. Peanuts to him. And V mace is plant.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 5:39pmGhost, tell this idiot that I’m not a “plant”. People always think that someone who disagrees with them must be some kind of agent or something.
A thermal cam is easy to get and use, and ILLEGAL if you use it to peep inside a tent, someone’s vehicle, someone’s house, a bathroom stall, without warrant. These things aren‘t meant to be used to spy on people who’re protesting or just minding their bsuiness. This is a government intrusion into the privacy of that tent.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 8:57pmV is not a plant, he’s a highly energetic and passionate advocate for liberty. While he may or may not rub you the right way, he’s consistent and he says what he believes. He‘s been on the site for quite a while now and is a man I’d gladly stand beside in the trenches, despite our minor disagreement over this particular issue on this thread. Calling him a plant because he disagrees with you lacks intellectual merit.
Report Post »Kevin52
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 4:11pmDEEBERJ: “A picture is worth a thousand words!” A sign is sheet: worthless!
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:08pmI think we know why it wasn’t done by the press here. Maybe we should invite the UK press to check out OUR people.
Report Post »dogpatch65
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:11pmThe whole thing is a big charade, and these poor occupiers are about to learn how they’re being used:
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Ironeagle
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:08pmThese ******* like it warm and comfortable–what a crock of crap.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:05pmThis is what democracy looks like??????????????
Report Post »obfuscatenot
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:17pmTHIS is what astroturf looks like!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:45pmThis is what Big Brother Satan’s eyeball peeking at you looks like.
Report Post »datapod
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:18pm@V-MAN MACE Perhaps you missed the point, No peeking was done as there is no one at which to. Either way you can hardly “occupy” a public space *and* have an expectation of privacy.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:28pmThat’s a lie, as there were some tents occupied at the time, there’s images RIGHT THERE of people inside their tents (even if it was just a few) and peeking WAS DONE by the cops by CHOPPER, and by the reporters.
The inside of your tent is just as private as the inside of your house or the inside of your car or bathroom stall. They can’t do that crap (legally). They’re Peeping Toms.
Big Brother Satan’s gigantic eyeball peeking inside tents.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:37pmThat’s a lie, there’s people there, just not many.
Peeping WAS DONE by the Nazis and the reporters. Peeping inside tents with thermal imagers.
I can see the SNL skits now…
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:02pmSo I’m guessing that the homeless, from now on, can occupy public spaces for as long as they choose, so long as they officially protest something or other?
Report Post »420 Patriot
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:28pm@VMan
I do agree with you on one point, that is that gov is intruding on our individual liberties. The occupy crowd is misinformed though. They are protesting the wrong things. They need to be in Washington on Pennsylvania Ave protesting the gov. and the FED. They are the problem here. The Fed, allowed by socialistic politicians on the right and left, have created the bubbles that made the economic crisis the way it is. We need to get back to Constitutional principles before our country falls off the cliff into the one world economic order (as Soros would say). Wise up people. Go home, write your representatives of your state, tell them to audit the Fed and then get rid of them and the IRS and put the powers back to the people and the states they live in. It is the only way.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:49pm420 Patriot
I agree with you about the target of their frustrations.
I would suggest they focus on the Federal Reserve and Congress too, where the Tea Party and the OWS protestors have common ground, and the source of the problem.
Report Post »Jayms
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 11:32pmV-Man, all your comments are simply wrong. It’s not an invasion of privacy. They are not on private property. Stop spamming the site with your false allegations.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 11:39amYo idiot, inside that tent and the tent itself is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The land the tent is ON may not be private property, but that’s the extent of your idiotic comment.
Shut up.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:05pmOh!
Report Post »FaithfulFriend
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:04pmSo why not go in and start by removing the empty tents then? Make the owner come claim it at the police station.
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:11pmThat‘s what I’d do…clean up the area
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:37pmOr just throw them away. You could say that you were just being a good citizen and cleaning up the park. An unoccupied tent must mean it’s abandoned, and therefore littering.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 3:36pm“So why not go in and start by removing the empty tents then? Make the owner come claim it at the police station.”
If the police did this one night can you imagine how indignant they would be when they showed up in the morning or at night (after they got a phone call from fellow conspirators)!
Report Post »Rajabear1
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 4:32pmI got a great idea for an app if they decided to do that–‘My tent was just arrested’ and it would notify close friends and family when the app is initiated. not sure about an attorney, but if animals can have them, I’m sure the trial lawyers can a find a way for tents to have them too.
Report Post »llj
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:42pm@walkabout– Gee, don’t they do that with cars that are parked in the wrong place? Abandoned? You can’t get them out without having ID and a whole lot of money to pay the fine. Just a thought…
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:03pmyou are camping out in public, unwelcomed on someone’s property causing the cathedral to close and now you are complaining about an invasion of your privacy? Morons
Report Post »llj
Posted on October 27, 2011 at 3:49pmMy sentiments exactly!
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:02pmEither that, or their zombies.
Report Post »AlansTigg
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:07pmgood point although I think they might be vampires, sucking the life out of the rest of us
Report Post »Marci
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:08pmThis whole thing is a sham, from start to finish. And there will be a finish. As soon as it drops below 30, they’ll run.
Report Post »Countrygirl1362
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:11pmMaybe they are part of the zombie invastion the CDC was warning about.
Report Post »ReaganBaby
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:02pmThrow the vacant tents out, aren’t there litter laws?
Report Post »stinkybisquit
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:01pmANybody need a tent, cheap? you may need to invest in a can or two of Lysol.
Report Post »Lantern
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:07pmNo bedbugs or lice for me, thank you :-)
Report Post »BernieKittyCat
Posted on October 26, 2011 at 2:57pmIf I wasn’t so afraid of catching something!
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