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BYU Administrator: ‘It Gets Better’ Video on Homosexuality Isn‘t a Violation of the School’s Honor Code

It Gets Better Video Isnt a Violation of the Schools Honor Code, Says AdministratorGay and lesbian students at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah, have attracted a great deal of attention with their “It Gets Better” campaign video. The YouTube clip, which has been viewed nearly 319,000 times, provides insight into the stories — and plight — many of the young people depicted in it have faced.

Following the video’s publication, a BYU administrator is claiming, despite LDS’s overt disagreement with homosexuality activity, that the students are not in obvious violation of the school’s honor code. CNN has more:

The students featured in a video about being gay at Brigham Young University are not in obvious violation of the honor code, according to Carri Jenkins, an assistant to the president of BYU.

Jenkins went on to say that for the video alone, the students would not be punished. The honor code, Jenkins said, is “based on conduct, not on feeling, and if same-gender attraction is only stated, that is not an honor code issue.”

It Gets Better Video Isnt a Violation of the Schools Honor Code, Says Administrator

BYU, a private university that is owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has strict regulations for its student body. Upon enrolling, students must sign an honor code, which restricts premarital sex, alcohol and tobacco use and the abuse of illegal substances, among other elements.

The BYU Undergraduate Catalogue provides direct text regarding how homosexuality and related activities should be handled by students:

Brigham Young University will respond to homosexual behavior rather than to feelings or attraction and welcomes as full members of the university community all whose behavior meets university standards. Members of the university community can remain in good Honor Code standing if they conduct their lives in a manner consistent with gospel principles and the Honor Code.

One’s stated same-gender attraction is not an Honor Code issue. However, the Honor Code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity. Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings.

It Gets Better Video Isnt a Violation of the Schools Honor Code, Says Administrator

Screen shot from the "It Gets Better" video

Based on these words, Jenkins seems to be correct in her assessment that the students involved in the video are not in violation of the honor code. A description under the YouTube clip reads:

A message of hope and love to LGBT Mormon youth from the students of USGA (Understanding Same-Gender Attraction) which is an unofficial group of Brigham Young University students, faculty, and friends who wish to strengthen families and the BYU community by providing a place for open, respectful discussions on the topic of same-gender attraction.

Nowhere in the description is physical action mentioned.

Below, watch the nearly 10-minute video in its entirety:

The video is being widely seen as a sign that LDS is more open to discussions surrounding the controversial and complex issue of homosexuality. Jensen, who is running the unrecognized campus group Understanding Same-Gender Attraction, believes that the video will help people who are struggling and who need to hear that “it gets better.”

“It is very different to be gay and Mormon because it feels like neither community accepts you completely,” said Bridey Jensen. “We put out the message for youth that are going through this and we want them to know that we were them a few years ago and it gets better and there is a place for you.”

(H/T: CNN Belief Blog)

Comments (133)

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  • Icnivad
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:24pm

    There is no such thing as a gay Latter-Day Saint. Period.

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    • Marine 1
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 12:44am

      One cannot be a true Latter-day Saint and be gay. Not possible.

      By the way, there‘s a lesbian in our extended family so don’t give me any crap about not understanding. That’s bull!

      Being gay is immoral and is a serious sin. BYU is, indeed, on a very, very slippery slope in not taking immediate action regarding this matter. I can assure you that many folks that are alumni of BYU have already withdrawn their financial support.

      BYU has become a very socialistic private school. Over the years the libs (socialists) have slipped in and many students I know of have left the school because of that very reason. In fact, a very intelligent doctoral student and friend of mine, dropped his degree program at BYU six months from completion because his professors were basically demanding that he put his name to writings he did not agree with. By the way, my friend is already an attorney. What’s that all about? Hmmm!

      The LDS Church leadership seems to be out of touch with what is going on there. It‘s time for yet another ’house cleaning’. It is an embarrassment and a disgrace to many of us that attended BYU and is it is not good that have that influence anywhere on campus. Has something to do with avoiding the very appearance of evil.

      Church memebers are watching and wondering about this matter.

      There are many schools in Utah and other states that would gladly take them as students and could care less about their immoral lifestyle. BYU should care and should kick the

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    • blondenblueeyed
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:29am

      I have to agree.

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    • Kenszen
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:49am

      No, Marine 1, you are incorrect. Read the General Authorities’ statements on homosexuality. The BYU‘s administrator’s assessment that “feelings” do not violate the BYU Honor Code and that “actions” do is very much in line with what the church’s position is.

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    • alowe000
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:53am

      I understand what you are trying to say, but I think it would be more helpful if you qualified your statement.

      There are Mormons in good standing with the church who have a same-sex attraction, who are as worthy of all the blessings of salvation as any other member of the church. However, no member of the church can practice any homosexual act and remain a member in good standing. THAT is not possible.

      When you say the word “gay”, I take it to mean that you are referring to someone who acts out his same-sex attraction.

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    • alowe000
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:20am

      I agree with Kenszen.

      It is not the temptation that condemns the man. It is his response to that temptation that reveals him. Were that not so, then the Lord Jesus could not have been perfect and could not have been the Savior, since he was tempted like all men were, but was without sin.

      Therefore, while entertaining homosexual thoughts can and do lead to homosexual actions, so can heterosexual thoughts lead to infidelity and fornication. It is the actions that are enforceable on this side of the veil, not the thoughts. So while all men must be vigilant and be mindful of their thoughts as the Lord commanded, only the Lord can possibly render appropriate judgment on the thoughts of our hearts.

      There is nothing liberal or conservative about this. I find this policy highly appropriate and in line with true doctrine. Those who struggle and end up succeeding in resisting the temptation to homosexual sin should be cheered on.

      Don’t condemn them because their temptation is different than yours. Just be grateful, that through the Lord, all things are possible.

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    • grimmjsb
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 6:06am

      While i totally agree that that homosexuality is a sin and immoral i would point out a couple things.
      If one considered him/herself as having same sex attraction but is seeing his/her bishop about the issue and has not acted on those feeling they can still hold a temple recommend.
      The BYU regulation stated is in full compliance with this issue that having those feeling and acting on them are two different things.
      The church believes in the rule of law, bending the rules in order to make an example of the person is not a Christ like attribute and is dishonest.
      The Church will keep going as it always does without the prideful need to prove, justify, or explain its actions.
      I have had acquaintances/co-workers that are gay they know what i feel about the subject but they also know that i separate my feeling about them from my feelings about there actions. If God can love me despite my sins who am I to not do the same.

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    • grudgywoof
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 6:53am

      What compasion we have on display here. Do you think Jesus loves these children less than He loves you? I don’t condon homosexuality however I believe these kids have issues that can never be delt with by sweeping them under the carpet. Marine1…..should they just kill themselves? What a load of crap! I guess you have never sinned? I will leave this thought with you. As you have done to the least of these so you have done it to Me.

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    • Marine 1
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 10:30am

      Sorrry, folks. Not buying it. To tell me that someone comes “out” and identifies themselves as gay and hasn’t acted on those feelings in one way or another is a load of crap. All this is simply more Satan-based political correctness which is killing this nation and religion.

      Being gay is not normal. That’s why the LDS church has the programs in place to help these wayward souls. If being gay was normal then GOD would have said it is and HE has not. In fact, He said just the opposite.

      Again, if these gay students want to “…be who they are…” then they can go to Utah Valley University just down the road or to any other public university that doesn’t care about their personal gender preferences. Just get out of BYU and stop being a vocal minority causing trouble.

      By the way, I recently spoke to a non-LDS, but Chrisitian, school nurse from Portland, Oregon and she told my wife and I that the Gay Staight Alliance (GSA) has infiltrated colleges and universites all over the nation. She also told us that she is seeing more and more cases of very confused children with same gender parents. Kids as young as 4,5 & 6 years old are claiming to be gay. Folks, that’s not normal and is the direct result of the the bad influences their gay “parents” are having on these young children. What are these kids really being subjected to in their homes?

      Satan is, indeed, attacking our youth and this is just one more example of how he is doing it.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 10:43am

      There is NO such thing as a homosexual- Christian.One can either choose to love God–or they can choose to rebel against God. But they cannot be true to Scripture and to the lusts of the flesh.

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    • Osaka
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 11:47am

      Marine1 and Icnivad, you’re borderline biggots. This is a real problem and you may want to shut your eyes to it because it hasn’t affected you (or maybe it has and that’s why you have issues with it), doesn‘t mean it isn’t a real problem. One of the first things we do to overcome a sin is to confess it. When I attended BYU I knew several individuals who were struggling with this problem and a video like this would have meant the world to them. It’s not condoning homosexuality, it’s condoning understanding. You can proclaim yourself gay and be a good Latter-day Saint (Mormon) at the same time. If you don’t believe me, then why is the LDS Church allowing self-proclaimed gay man to be a bishop of a ward in San Francisco?

      I don’t condone homosexuality, but I don’t condemn people for having feelings. It’s our actions that define us. If you condemn others for having wrong feelings, then what’s to stop God from condemning you for your wrong feelings of jealousy, hate, pride, etc.? It’s time to deal with reality.

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    • manphin
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 3:48am

      @marine1

      Being homosexual is not a sin. Acting upon homosexuality is. Only when the homosexuality is acted upon, that is when it becomes a sin.

      That’s like saying that being Man, you’re sinning, since the natural man would be to act against God.

      And BYU is starting to restrict even more… did you know skinny jeans were banned from campus at BYU and BYU-I?

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    • manphin
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 4:01am

      That’s like saying someone is guilty of assault for wanting to hit someone, but never actually hitting that someone…

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    • GayLDSinsights
      Posted on April 16, 2012 at 8:12pm

      Wow, really? That’s news to me, because I am. I think there is sometimes danger with the term “gay” which confuses people because it is ambiguous. Does “gay” mean engaging in homosexual activity? Or can it refer merely to experiencing same sex attraction? The truth is, it generally gets used as a blanket to term for all of the above. It’s been made clear that the students in the video are in keeping with the honor code, so therefore likely not engaging in homosexual activity. Neither do I. I like men, but I hope for a happy temple marriage to a woman someday and don’t have sex with men. Am I tempted? absolutely. But I still have agency. And that’s what defines my status as a latter-day saint: the fact that I make choices in keeping with my covenants despite what temptations come my way. Isn’t that true for you too, but with a different set of temptations?

      Anyway, if there are others reading this who are confused by same-sex attracted feelings and think you might be gay but want to remain faithful, I want you to know that you are loved and that not everyone is as closed-minded or misunderstanding as some of the comments on this thread. Here is a link to my own message of hope, that things truly do get better, and with God they get best:

      http://bit.ly/J3qghw

      God bless you all. I hope my thoughts can help dispell misunderstanding. I don’t blame you for not understanding, but I hope you can be open to this Church-endorsed idea, that feelings aren’t sin.

      M

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  • JJBlazeReader
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:16pm

    ..
    I do not think this is mere happenstance. This could be the next setup/trap for Romney and Mormonism e.g. not only do Mormons hate blacks and women, Mormons hate gays.

    As Pres. Obama slips further behind to Romney, the progressive attacks will become more desperate. Progressive have no problem destroying any religion and it pains me to say it but I believe they will demonize Mormonism in attack to split the Christian vote and split the female vote.

    Stay strong and united, most of all be pro-active and do not let the progressives divide and conquer.
    ..

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    • blondenblueeyed
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:28am

      Great insight. Thanks for sharing.

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    • zerotoherolife
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 11:08am

      Did you actually watch the video? I think it is totally consistent with the church’s stance on the issue. The Church, or Mitt Romney for that matter have nothing against homosexuals. I think it is cool that those who experience same gender attraction have a voice and have support.
      I thought the coolest part of the video was when these individuals prayed and felt peace- they felt the love of the Savior. As members of any faith, we ought to be more open to those who “sin differently than we do” and stop all the judging.
      We all sin, we all fall short, we all have our weakness… we should support one another, not condemn one another… and if that attitude loses an election- so be it.

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  • dimbulbz
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:57pm

    Oh great, 8 months of stories like this until Election day. Cant wait. BYU is the all the buzz until its not needed for giving people ammo to hate the Mormons. Damned by the left for being anti-gay, Damned by the Haters for not stoning homosexuals enough.

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    • 912network
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:33am

      “Damned by the Haters for not stoning homosexuals enough.”

      My, my. A Communist in our midst.

      The fact of the matter is that very few people on the right actually hate people for their private preferences.

      But the left, they are the haters. Nobody on the right suggests that homosexuals be stoned. That’s the left, calling for the death of somebody who dared to defend himself when he felt his life was in danger.

      The left calls for the death of Glenn Beck on a regular basis, and I would imagine that Glenn’s security detail could confirm that the death threats from the left are a pretty regular occurrence.

      But few, if any, who are truly on the political right, do such things.

      So for you to suggest that anybody, much less a significant group, on the right, wants to ‘stone homosexuals,‘ you’re either being incredibly dishonest, or you’re an ignorant fool.

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    • dimbulbz
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 9:50am

      Wow, did you even read my post? I was Just observing that if the BYUers condemn the Gays, they are slammed for that. If they condone it they are slammed by the other side. Just how that makes me a commie is somewhat bewildering to me. You Anti-Dentite.

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  • pendentelite2
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:57pm

    I think the BYU administrators, if not the LDS Church leadership, are walking a slippery slope of political correctness wherein they are selling out their core beliefs in the name of political expediency.

    If someone states, “I am an adulterer” and star in a film on promoting such behavior by positive or negative reinforcement — the explicit implication is that they *are* an adulterer and approve and engage in such behavior. If someone states, “I am an alcoholic” and star in a film promoting whiskey – the explicit implication is they are a drunkard and approve and engage in such behavior. Such persons are not simply stating that they are *tempted* to commit adultery or *tempted* to drink — and that such behavior is harmful and immoral and should be avoided — they are actively teaching a concept that is contrary to Christian morality and the dictates of God.

    Thus, using this line of reasoning — if a person states, “I am gay” and star in a film that promotes homosexual behavior and condemns opposition to it by BYU — the explicit implication is they are engaging in homosexual behavior and promoting teachings contrary to the body of Christ – and, in this case, contrary to BYU’s reported honor code.

    Yes, we are defined as humans, as Christians, by how we *respond* to temptations — NOT by what we are tempted with.

    Thus, these students at BYU are poking BYU‘s and the LDS Church’s eye, and demanding that they affirm their lifestyle and sin as “normal” a

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:26pm

      Socialists… have No Morality… nor Honor!

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    • Icnivad
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:31pm

      No, I’m pretty sure most, if not all of the church leadership, is conservative. About 15% of mormons call themselves liberals. And those are usually the people that don’t want to deal with responsibility, moral values, and yes, are sometimes gay, or something like that… They shouldn’t even try to call themselves mormon. If not a “mainstream” mormon, then not one at all.

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    • kindling
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 12:44am

      “I think the BYU administrators, if not the LDS Church leadership, are walking a slippery slope of political correctness wherein they are selling out their core beliefs in the name of political expediency.”
      Sorry…..that happened in 1890 when Salt Lake caved in to government pressure. It has been traveling left ever since. It is the same thing that has been going on in this country for the last 100 years. The church is nothing like it was founded and the country is much different as well. Political correctness is never a good thing.

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    • RachelJL
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:50am

      Did you even read the article or watch the video? They aren’t promoting anything. They’re admitting that they have struggles. How would you like it if you could never admit to ANYONE that you were tempted by something? Or do you make yourself feel like you have to appear perfect to people all the time? The Church is a place for sinners, not a museum for saints. “Saints” as in the Catholic definition, being practically perfect. There is strength in numbers, and we are here to help each other along the way.

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    • wvgirl
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 1:51am

      St. Matthew: Chapter 5:27,28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
      But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
      So you all say that the deed is the sin, and not the thought? PC political propaganda at its finest. Spliting hairs at the least. Should all the students who have a predilection for stealing, for lying, for murder, for raping, for pedophelia, also make “pity me, I was born this way, so change the Bible and your religious views for poor me” movies? How clever Satan, the evil one, is, and how ready we are in this world of deception and mockery to accept that which the Lord has condemned, as acceptable, if wrapped in a pretty PC box and bow. If these students were truely repentent, they would never make such a movie to try to get everyone else to “understand” their plight. To say it’s all okey dokey just because they are not “acting” on the sex act is to not understand that these children are being led by Satan down a path to destruction if they do not repent and ask the Lord to take away their carnal desires. God made us in His image, man and woman. Just because the great Satan says this and that is fine in this evil world in which we live, does not change the rules of righteous behavior. Young people, walk away from evil and never look back. Find peace in your heart through the teachings of the Bible. God awaits you with open ar

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  • Attila_the_Hunney
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:43pm

    Eeewwwwwwww. Why do we want to hear about their sex life? What is the DEAL with everyone thinking that hanging out their (dirty) laundry is O.K., and that anybody cares. “And now, we’re going to relate our sex life to the Bible.” Barf.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:28pm

      If you think of someone just saying that he’s gay as making you hear about his sex life, then what do you think you are doing? I now know that you are straight. What is the DEAL with you thinking that hanging out your (dirty) laundry is O.K., and that anybody cares?

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    • AnAmericanToo
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 12:30am

      One of the comments made to your post is that “I can tell that you are heterosexual by your posting. I think the person who made the post missed your point that BYU Administration thought that it was acceptable to have the homosexual BYU students produce a video for public viewing. Some people believe that such discussing of one’s PRIVATE life in a public forum is just in poor taste among other concerns.

      There is no discussion about where the homosexual students obtained the number 1800 plus students at BYU. Nor is there any discussion about how many are members of their homosexual support group on BYU.

      Having had homosexual public school teachers and homosexual college professors, it would be unreasonable to believe that these students are or have not acted upon their sexual identities; or that they will not in the future. To not believe that would, in fact, be extremely naive. Of course, the actions of the homosexual students should be their PRIVATE business on their private conduct and private life choices. However, when BYU students are mandated by BYU housing policies to live with people of their same biological gender that this creates a problem for heterosexual students who prefer to remain modest and not being eyed by others as a sexual object.

      If BYU Administration has opted to revise its Honor Code that is their business but it should address the full range of issues by making such changes which includes the housing standards.

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  • Attila_the_Hunney
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:41pm

    EEeeewwwwwww.

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  • ChevalierdeJohnstone
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:16pm

    100% support the video and BYU admin decision.

    There is nothing in the Bible which says that homosexual attraction is any more of a sin than heterosexual attraction. The commandments are against adultery and fornication. As long as homosexuals practice abstinence there is no sin.

    This series of “It gets better” videos has nothing to do with gay sex, it has to do with the feeling of being abnormal and an outsider and different and not liking it, a phase which pretty much every young person goes through. There had been a string of suicides by young homosexuals who decided that they were never going to be able to live fulfilling lives; the message of the videos is essentially “Don’t commit suicide.” I can‘t understand people who call themselves Christians but seem to be arguing in these comments that young LDS homosexuals should stop trying to live life in God’s grace despite being homosexual, and just go kill themselves. What the heck is wrong with you people?

    As for those of you suggesting that some of these young people may not abstain from sex: 1) you’re quick to assume the worst, aren’t you? and, 2) So what? Did Jesus die for ALL our sins or did he not? Repentance: look it up in the dictionary.

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    • pendentelite2
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:06pm

      The statement that there is nothing in the Bible that condemns homosexual behavior more than any other sin is simply not true. In the Torah (the Old Testament) — the act of sex between two men is deemed an “abomination” in Hebrew (as translated in English). This word, “abomination” is the greatest condemnation that Hebrew can give on a behavior. Very few of the sins listed in the Law of Moses, and in the New Testament are deemed an “abomination”. Such is reserved for acts of homosexuality and acts of idolatry. Both the Old and New Testament condemn homosexual behavior as sin. Thus, the negative description of homosexual behavior as sin is clear over the 4,000 year period covered by the Old and New Testaments — and is explicitly condemned 13 times.

      However, that is not the end of it: We also have the Bible’s *positive* statements on sexual behavior, which state that sexual behavior is only acceptable to God in the relationship of a man married to a woman. There are over 50 scriptures that explicitly and exclusively describe the relationship of marriage between and man and a woman as the only acceptable relationship for sexual behavior.

      Thus, given the 13 negative condemnations of homosexual behavior, its description as an “abomination”, and the 50 positive statements that sexual behavior is only acceptable between a man married to a woman — we have a 63-0 count condemning homosexual behavior. And, let‘s not forget Sodom’s destruction due to homose

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    • blondenblueeyed
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:34am

      Homosexuality was punishable by DEATH according to the Bible. Therefore it must be really a serious sin to be put to death .

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  • inblack
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:40pm

    @CHET

    Check your meds buddy.

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  • RushEcho2
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:40pm

    Those noting LGBT (or was it GL.TB?) should spell it out, “Lesbians, GAYS, Bisexuals, and Transvestites”. … Don’t be shy, shout it out .!. [{( satire )}]

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  • loneindividual
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:36pm

    Mormons do believe homosexuality is a sin….but….Mormons believe in Eternal Progression.

    Homosexuals…if I am to use Mormon logic correctly….are viewed as stunted. They will not have children in the next life….unless they strive to have one now with a spouse of the opposite sex.

    It’s almost a soft approach to homosexuality….where Gays don’t go to Hell for being gay….but they recieve a “LESSER GLORY” in the Heavens.

    I suspect the LDS Authorities will deem THE BOOK OF ENOCH as scriptural canon.

    The Book of Enoch talks about how *Bachelor Angels* came down to the Earth and debauched Mortal Women and had children with them….half-angels….Nephilim.

    Those angels obviously were bachelors of the straight or gay variety who just wanted to have “families”.

    The Fallen Watchers (angels) were cursed by God and sealed in the Earth (like Prometheus).

    The Nephilim (not all) were annihilated in the Flood because the Nephilim worshiped Lucifer as their Father. God destroyed all those who worshiped Lucifer.

    The Book of Enoch and The Pearl of Great Price are great books to read on this particular matter.

    ps: I’m ex-Mormon Deist

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    • filiusdracul
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:36pm

      The Book of Enoch is not part of LDS scriptural canon.

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    • alowe000
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:34am

      On what authority do you suspect that the Book of Enoch will be canonized? It has never even been acknowledged unofficially as authoritative, let alone canonical. Which apostle or prophet has ever made any statement on the Book of Enoch?

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    • blondenblueeyed
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:37am

      What??? How can spirits, altough they are GIANT in size have sex with mortal women? No wonder you are an EX-mormon if you believe that garbage.

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    • loneindividual
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 1:59am

      I became ex-mormon cuz I don’t believe that the universe is incomprehensible. I don’t believe that God (and the heirarchy/generations) are incomprehensible. I don’t believe that because there is a beginning that there must be an end.

      I DON’T BELIEVE THAT GOD THE FATHER HAS A FATHER. I DON’T BELIEVE IN AN INFINITE PREVIOUS GENERATION OF GODS.

      I do believe that “God” whoever the **** he is DOES HAVE A BODY and that he is the CENTER OF THE COSMOS and that Outter Darkness is a Sea of Chaos that laps upon the shores of his Kingdom.

      Regarding angels having bodies….how can you be Mormon and reject the notion that Angels have bodies?

      Giants? really? NEPHI….NEPHILIM….get a freaking clue

      I accuse all religions on this ****ing planet of being WRONG.

      And the Book of Enoch and the Pearl of Great Price have NO CONTRADICTIONS when compared with one another.

      I was never raised in the Church to believe the following either: THAT I COULD PRAY TO GOD THAT THE *PAST ME* WILL BE HELPED & SOMEHOW THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE *PRESENT ME* WOULD BENEFIT FROM IT.

      THE PAST DOESN’T EXIST. THE FUTURE DOESN’T EXIST.

      ONLY THE PRESENT EXISTS

      holy crap…there’s alot of MORMON FOLKLORE that is corrupting actual MORMON DOCTRINE….no wonder there are so many anti-mormons.

      I DEFEND YOU IDIOTS….BUT YOU CAN’T EVEN DEFEND YOURSELVES!!

      gonna X myself soon anyways. Evangelicals & Catholics are a bunch of idiots as well

      PS: Mountain Meadows 9/11 was a frame by

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  • PantiesInABunch
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:12pm

    you are not going to sit there and tell me that God has favorites when it comes to sexual transgression. Or, to put it another way, favors one kind of sinner over another? Are you completely out of your depends diapers? God is just as condemning of Hetro sinners as **** sinners. I laugh at your arrogance and stupidity. These Mormon kids are on to something. They can live clean and keep thier attractions and stand perfectly justified before Jesus at the last day.

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    • 4thGenerationWarrior
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:31pm

      The former LDS Prophet once said while addressing homosexuality, that to have homosexual desires and attractions is not a sin, but once that person ACTS upon those homosexual tendencies they are gross violation of God’s law, namely the Law of Chastity. The same is true for heterosexual desires. Once a person with either desires views pornography, beit gay or straight, they have sinned. Once either pleasures themselves to their desires they are breaking the Law of Chastity. Unlike, heterosexuals whose marriage is recognized by the Church, homosexual must NEVER act upon there same-sex attraction…in any way. Because we are fallible humans, those among us who fancy the same sex they will eventually give in to the baser nature and will sin. That is when they are “practicing” homosexuals and will be kicked out of BYU and ultimately the Church.
      There exists no difference between the LDS policy on homosexuality and that which came out of the Bible. Anyone who thinks it does clearly does understand the Bible, if they read it at all.

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    • dennisS
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:44pm

      Read the Bible and then you won’t make such uninformed statements.

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    • Lux
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 12:33am

      Our attitude towards homosexuals is no different then our attitude towards any individual with any type of tendencies. Everyone will find themselves faced with one tendency or another. Many face the tendency to anger quickly. Others find it difficult to accept people of different race, faith, or origin. Some struggle with controlling their desires for those of the opposite gender, while some struggle with controlling their desires for those of the same gender. Ether 12:27 “And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.” Homosexuality is a struggle, and through the Lord can that burden be lightened. Just like it is important for us to remove anger from our lives and control our passions and appetites, it is important for us to control all forms of tendencies that are not of God.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 4:27pm

      you are not going to sit there and tell me that God has favorites when it comes to sexual transgression. Or, to put it another way, favors one kind of sinner over another?
      Panties- look in the old testament.

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  • spamlds
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:10pm

    The Church’s position is consistent and fair. It requires of gay students what it requires of heterosexual students: obedience to the law of chastity. The Lord’s standard is the same for anyone. There are many latter-day saints who are unmarried, widowed, or divorced who must keep the same commandment to abstain from sexual relations outside of marriage and to be faithful to one’s spouse in the covenant of marriage as God ordained it. Gay Mormons are expected to comply with the same standards.

    Maybe Hermann Cain, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and all future GOP presidential candidates could pledge to follow the same standard.

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    • inblack
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:08pm

      I did not hear that Sarah Palin did anything wrong. Is this a fact or are you believing propaganda?

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:23pm

      Spamlds – You do realize that in Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-8 that marriage is defined as between a man and a woman.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:42pm

      Git: He agrees….outside of marriage sex is a sin. There is no homosexual marriage.

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    • dragonsrightwing
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:39pm

      @Git-R-Done –
      You are using faulty language skills – the construction is not definitional.
      What Genesis says, and Jesus reiterates, is that a man and a woman may be married. This is not an exclusive statement, and is not recorded as a definition of marriage. The purpose of the statement is to illuminate the *result* of marriage, and your attempt to use it to define restriction on the *entry* into marriage is a classic case of cultural imperialism: you read Scripture with your own notions, and find what you expect to find.

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    • pendentelite2
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:26pm

      There are no BYU students how go around an publicly stating “I’m an adulterer” and bemoaning the LDS Church’s teachings that such behavior is sinful, true? There are no associations of “Adulterous, Lustful, and Deviant” students, true? There is not a political agenda and a group of committed adherents pushing adultery as “normal” and that those who engage in it are “born that way”, true? So, why is homosexuality being treated any different than any other sexual sin by BYU administrators? Would they tolerate a group of professed adulterers making a similar film? If so, my soul cries for the morality of BYU.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:53pm

      Dragonsrightwing – And you’re not trying to use cultural imperialism? You can’t find anything in the Old or New Testament that supports homosexuality.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:56pm

      Dragonsrightwing – Jesus also said that fornicators (anybody who has sex outside of marriage and he defined marriage as between a man and a woman) will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

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    • AnAmericanToo
      Posted on April 13, 2012 at 10:48am

      The three politicians that you listed are not currently enrolled at Brigham Young University so they have no BYU Honor Code to follow. Of course, I wouldn’t vote for Gingrich nor Cain because of their sleazy behavior towards women whom they married. Yes, that is judgmental.

      BYU Provo and BYU Idaho both have ‘support groups’ for the homosexual students. The video was a marketing product to announce to fellow students about the Administrative approved club or association for the homosexual students. IF you assume that the LDS Church believes that ACTING on homosexual or transgender leanings is wrong which is supported by statements by LDS leaders they have now moved to a support group for them. The club is not to help these young people to abandon their leanings but to give support to their issues which in effect is to foster those feelings. I have not yet heard of BYU approving a support group for those with other, how would one say this “sin challenges’ — there is no ‘drug support group’, no ‘spousal abuse club (unless it is clear to stop the behavior), no club to support those who lean towards consuming alcohol. So one can surmise that those who have ‘sin desires’ but don’t act upon them seems that the only club or association formed for “sin desires that we don‘t act upon’ are for sexual conduct and specifically for homosexuals. These desires are thus given SPECIAL treatment.

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  • dennisS
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:45pm

    There is absolutely no doubt as to what God thinks of homosexuality so it really doesn’t matter what BYU administrators think or for that fact what any denomination thinks. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. In other words, what Jesus (as God) declared in the Old Testament didn’t change in the New Testament.

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    • encinom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:56pm

      Actually, there is a doubt, all I have seen is a book compiled 1,500 years by italians from the old myhts and legends of middle eastern goat herders.

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    • constantreverie
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:05pm

      The LDS church and BYU has not changed on their standards, they have always remained the same.
      And that is that if you have homosexual feelings, you are not a bad person, however if you choose to follow temptation and act on those feelings, then it is then that you have committed the sin

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:09pm

      Of course there’s doubt. God never told me what he thinks of it, and I see no reason to believe the people who have claimed that He told them.

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  • shimauma
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:41pm

    If you are going to compromise with the deceit of Satan, BYU, might as well just go all in. As long as this sexual deviation is made out to be a normal behavior, people will continue to be misled into making perverse choices.

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    • encinom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:00pm

      Funny, that this school has any moral standings on sex, given that they are named after a person who praticed polygamy (much like Mitt’s grandfather).

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:21pm

      Encinom – You have no moral standards to begin with. What you consider to be moral isn’t based on anything.

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    • inblack
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:34pm

      If you lead with hate, you are not a Christian.

      Jesus told us to love one another. He did not say, love one another except for those people you hate.

      BYU is doing the right thing. They are showing love to these people and that takes courage.
      They are also clearly separating the act from the feeling and that just makes sense.

      They also are correct in extending this to unmarried “straight” people.
      Simply sex outside of marriage is wrong.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:44pm

      Shimau: You are forgetting: the attraction is not a sin, the behavior is. (NO ONE asks to be “gay.)

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    • encinom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:32pm

      crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:44pm
      Shimau: You are forgetting: the attraction is not a sin, the behavior is. (NO ONE asks to be “gay.)
      ____________________

      According to Catholic teach, adultry and other sins are sins if you merely think the impure thoughts.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:55pm

      Encinom – What basis do you have for your version of morality? None.

      Even Jesus said himself in Matthew’s gospel that lust is adultery. Excuse me if we’re not going to conform to what is “modern” way of thinking.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 4:21pm

      encinom
      Throughout history I’m going to guess you cannot find a single ancestor who did or believed anything different from that which you believe today?

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  • THX-1138
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:39pm

    I call BS.

    Why speak about it publicly unless there is a political agenda?

    I don’t remember even once talking about how I was Heterosexual and what a burden it was.
    And I sure as hell don’t remember joining a school I knew was dead set against my “Different Gender Attraction” issues…

    It’s *always* political.

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    • inblack
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:43pm

      Simply – gay people go through a stage of feeling isolated and “unloved”.

      The outreach to them is to say, “you are God’s children and you are loved”.

      It is a fine line to walk to accept gay and not accept the activists who wish to promote gay relationships and gay sexual lifestyles.

      Being a gay christian is a much harder life than being a “straight” Christian, because they cannot get married and thus cannot express their feelings through sex.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:57pm

      InBlack: Yes, it is hard, but they are so strong and valiant.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:59am

      The first article of the BYU honor code, before it says anything about sex, or what not to drink, or how to dress, the first article is “Be honest.”

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 4:24pm

      THX
      Right about this one. It is about “forcing” other people to accept your lifestyle.

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  • sbenard
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:39pm

    This video is somewhat misleading. As a Mormon who has struggled with same-sex-attraction all my life, I have learned that celibacy is fine for me. That’s the secret part of the video that is unstated. Just because I feel attraction to someone doesn’t mean I must sexualize those feelings. I’m 53 and not only celibate, but have remained so throughout my adult life.
    The point of the video is that you can be loved and accepted, and that there is a support network for you. It does NOT, however, advocate or endorse homosexual activity. The video NEVER states that, but for someone who isn’t Mormon, it seems to be implied.
    As a Mormon who experiences attraction to people of the same gender, I can experience every blessing and happiness that God wants to give me, and there are no adverse consequences unless I act on those feelings. I know that in the end, if I keep my covenants and abide by the commandments, I will receive ALL the same blessings that are available to every other person who keeps those covenants. When we are all resurrected and stand before Christ to be judged, all things will be made right. Of that, I have not a single doubt.

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    • mrmrsdaadams
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:38pm

      Thank you for sharing what you did, sbenard. Gob bless you for your honesty to not only God but to yourself.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:47pm

      SBENARD: Thank you! Your voice and others like you are the ones we need to hear! By the way, I work with lots of “gay” celibate men….you are surely the most chosen of God’s people, and the bravest.

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    • LibertyGoddess
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:57pm

      What you said is beautiful. I posted the video to my facebook page and was met with hateful and judgmental comments. I had to delete them. It was obvious the posters did not watch the segment. It was about a group of people who had those feelings, but did not act on them.

      I have struggled most of my life with suicidal thoughts. I had 4 immediate family members take their life over the years. I am constantly exposed to it. Will God judge me for those thoughts? No. If I take my life will I be judged? Yes. I just wish people would see others with love and not be another struggle for that person in their life.

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    • RachelJL
      Posted on April 11, 2012 at 2:44am

      Thank you for sharing! From some of the comments here, I think they haven’t read the article or watched the movie. That took a lot of guts to share. I admire your courage.

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    • P8riot
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 1:00pm

      @SBENARD – Well said and thank you. You are a perfect example of how we, as members of the Church, do NOT ‘hate’ people that are attracted to the same sex. We simply do not accept homosexual behavior just as we do not accept fornication and adultery. Just as someone with alcoholic tendencies is not breaking the commandments simply by being tempted to drink again, someone with homosexual tendencies is not breaking the commandments simply by being tempted to engage in such.

      I applaud you for your self discipline and devotion to choose the right when a choice is placed before you.

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  • youshuthehellup
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:35pm

    being gays not genetic – being gay is from education system pushing the “question and experience your sexuality” philosophy! Its about working to confuse the youth and now here is what we as a society have to deal with! It’s unnatural folks!

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:22pm

      Exactly. The left doesn‘t want to admit that there’s no scientific evidence that you’re born homosexual.

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:01pm

      You and Git: You are right: no one is born gay, but also no one asks to for the feelings. The young person (usually male) feels the attraction but doesn’t know why. Those factors you mention, such as the “world view” that it is okay do certainly affect this also. It is now accepted that it is a combination of nature and nurture….sensitive nature….perhaps some bad nurturing, etc.
      In any case, love them so they will want to be like you and with you and not with those who “accept” them and promote the lifestyle.

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    • pendentelite2
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:15pm

      If I may: Not a single peer reviewed scientific study has ever concluded that homosexual behavior is either innate, or immutable. Not a single one. Indeed, just the opposite is true: every single peer reviewed scientific study has concluded that homosexual behavior is a product of environment and its practitioners often have sexual relationships with *both* men and women. The Alan Guttmacher Institute (along with several others in the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s) found that the incidence of homosexuality is about 2.3% in the general population, and of those, some 75% are actually *bisexual*. However, the incidence *decreases* with age — meaning the practitioners become *exclusively* heterosexual as they age. This is far from the propaganda espoused by “gay rights” groups wherein they throw out a completely fictitious number of “10%” wrongly attributed to the Kinsey Studies of the mentally ill in the 1950s (talk about not having a representative population to being with — but even then, the “10%” was bad math applied to the studies).

      It should be noted that not even Simon LeVay (INAH-3 region of the brain study) nor Dean Hammer (twin study using bad base data), to homosexual NIH researchers, asserted in their studies that homosexuality was innate or immutable. BOTH concluded that environment and *choice* are key factors.

      So, given science has never made such a conclusion, how can we?

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:22pm

      Crazyrightwingmom – Good point.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 4:25pm

      Prison proves that beyond doubt.

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  • God_Family_Country
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:35pm

    God loves everyone. Here is a good clip on the subject. http://www.mormonvoting.com/same-sex-marriage/

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    • sbenard
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:55pm

      I had never seen that video before, but what the spokesperson explained in that video is precisely what I have learned from my own experience, and what I have felt from fellow members of the Church over the past 35 years. Thanks for posting that link!

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  • jungle J
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:32pm

    and the smell of feces hovers in the air around certain places at certain times.

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  • craighundelt
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:32pm

    The gay lifestyle is immoral. unhealthy, and destructive. The recent suicide of the gay poster celebrity as the quintessential happy gay man is a disturbing indictment of the lifestyle. . A fascinating and surprising story published in the New York Times, laying bare what many homosexual activists will never admit publicly. It reports the real life tragedy of a typical homosexual man who sees and lives life based on the superficiality of homosexuality. How you look, what you wear and your “positive” attitude about yourself as a homosexual was the false recipe he sold to countless other gay men, but somehow knew that it wasn’t the truth.

    On Jan 1st, Bob Bergeron, a quintessentially positive gay man, committed suicide. He left his friends, past sex partners and acquaintances wondering why. But they are blind to the real issue. The obsession with youth, beauty and sex is a killer. In a suicide note, he summed up the homosexual lifestyle in a single damning sentence:

    “It’s a lie based on bad information.”, he wrote. Ironically, the New York Times posted the article “The life and death of Bob Bergeron” in the “fashion and style” section .
    http://www.gcmwtch.com/8918/the-tragic-superficiality-of-the-gay-lifestyle

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 6:54pm

      Thank you for that information, Craig, though the link didn’t work. I will look for it.

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    • LibertyGoddess
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 8:00pm

      Watch the video. These young adults are telling you they have these feelings but they ARE NOT ACTING ON IT.

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  • youshuthehellup
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:30pm

    boot em!!!!

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  • Mandors
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:57pm

    Just make sure they stay away from coffee. That’s a big deal.

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  • possom
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:51pm

    Big deal their gay but can they shoot straight when the time come‘s to confront obama’s agenda?

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  • HornsFan96
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:45pm

    BYU is a private university. They can regulate behavior of students as they see fit. Don’t like it? Go somewhere else!

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  • dmerwin
    Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:45pm

    So these gay kids are practicing abstinence?

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    • crazyrightwingmom
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 3:50pm

      yes.

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    • SingerGuy
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:27pm

      …as are all of the straight kids that aren’t married. What does it matter who you are attracted to if you aren’t acting on that attraction. I’m glad they made this video, and I hope they help strengthen those who struggle with SGA.

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    • Doctor Nordo
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 4:30pm

      Everyone who attends or works for BYU, who is not married, is required as part of the honor code agreement that they will, among other requirements, remain abstinent. Proof of misconduct is grounds for expulsion/dismissal.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:03pm

      Of course not. It doesn’t get better until you decide that there’s nothing wrong with you and start getting some. They’re running an It Get’s Better campaign, not an I’ve Heard Rumors That It Might Get Better Once I Get the Hell Out of This Place campaign, so obviously they’re not practicing abstinence.

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    • javasport
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 5:23pm

      @Chet.. huh?

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    • filiusdracul
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 9:49pm

      @Chet
      You obviously believe that fulfilling sexual urges is the end all be all of life. I‘m sorry to inform you that happiness doesn’t come from sex. That’s life lesson number…

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on April 10, 2012 at 10:22pm

      filiusdracul
      No, I don’t think that sexual fulfillment is the be all and end all of life, but it is important. Happiness doesn’t come from sex, but it can be one of the sources of happiness in a complete life. Love is the greatest source of happiness, but we’re not always lucky enough to find it right away. While we’re looking, sexual pleasure is better than nothing. Even if it can’t give you long-term happiness, it will at least provide brief moments of joy that beat the hell out of denial, frustration, and loneliness.

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    • dmerwin
      Posted on April 12, 2012 at 4:31pm

      My point was if they are not sexually active, the verdict is out as to orientation, in people this age ambiguity and indecisiveness is the norm not the exception. My guess is you would not ID yourself in any way unless you felt a need to defend it or had a real agenda.

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