BYU Basketball Team Dismisses Star Player for Having Premarital Sex
- Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:56pm by
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The BYU mens basketball team took a stand for the school’s honor code on Wednesday. The third-ranked Cougars dismissed starting forward Brandon Davies from the team for the remainder of the season after sources say he admitted to having sex with his girlfriend.
The Salt Lake Tribune first reported the nature of the violation, which defies the school’s honor code prohibiting premarital sex, and implores students to “live a chaste and virtuous life.”
Davies, who grew up in Provo, had started 26 of 29 games for the Cougars and averaged 11.1 points and a team-leading 6.2 rebounds.
All-America guard Jimmer Fredette remains the Cougars’ biggest scoring threat at a nation-leading 27.3 points a game. Backcourtmate Jackson Emery is second in scoring at 12.6 points and Davies was third.
Wednesday night, Fredette responded to the news of Davies’s suspension:
“He told us everything. He told us he was sorry and that he let us down. We just held our heads high and told him it was OK, that it is life, and you make mistakes, and you just got to play through it,” he said, according to the Tribune.
School officials said they became aware of the honor code violations Monday. Davies’s future with the team and the university has not yet been determined. He has, however, been allowed to remain at the school while his situation is under review.
A source close to the team told the Tribune that Davies was “extremely remorseful, heartbroken,” and has accepted the school’s punishment.
On Wednesday, former BYU basketball player Michael Smith explained the school’s honor code to ESPN:
When asked on Wednesday if he thought Davies would ever play again for the Cougars, coach Dave Rose said, “yeah, I do.”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Goodgriefgeezlouise
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:54pmInformedReader
A top ranked school cutting one of it’s players during the final run will get front page headlines and the school did know that would happen..They could have just gone with the “he broke the conduct rule” theme but chose to tell all..Maybe because they still have the multiple wive thing to combat in the public eye?..Just saying, a big institution like this might be using this for their own purpose rather than the well being of the individual..
I still would have liked to see more in the way of forgiveness..Just my opinion
matthew 6:14,15
Report Post »For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavely Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
InformedReader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:36pmWhere did you see that it was the school to “chose to tell all”. The only thing I saw from the school was a very short statement where they announced that he would no longer be on the team as a result of a violation of the honor code. They declined to specify the infraction. Then there was a short follow-up in which they said that was he did was not a criminal offense – still declining to specify what he did. As a matter of fact, BYU never discloses specific honor code violations publicly.
From what I can see, it was a Salt Lake City newspaper that reported what he had done.
Of course they knew it would be a big story, but that does not mean that they are exploiting it for gain. It would have been just as big if they had said absolutely nothing and Brandon just did not play for the team. In fact, it might have been an even bigger story because of the speculation that would have occurred.
Report Post »franknshadow
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:33pmGOODGRIEFGEEZLOUISE, did you even read the end of the article??
//When asked on Wednesday if he thought Davies would ever play again for the Cougars, coach Dave Rose said, “yeah, I do.”//
Does this not indicate forgiveness?? Or does forgiveness only mean no consequences??
Report Post »PatriotSmith
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:00pmForgiveness is between the individual and God not the school…the school had a code and follows it and he has the support he needs. A school doesn’t determine spiritual forgiveness….go back to church
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 8:04pmThe school DOES forgive. If he can get his yearly ecclesiastical endorsement (which everyone is required to have) in which his spiritual leader affirms that he’s returned to good standing (which may not even imply anything more than a booth visit in some Christian sects) within his chosen congregation, he’ll be re-instated with no prejudicial treatment whatsoever. That’s how they roll there.
Report Post »bumpside
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:51pmIt seems it was the LDS that broke from polygamy (not the FLDS), and that skin color was related to holiness and …. oh, but as long as a “prophet” received a convenient revelation to the contrary, it makes it all OK.
Report Post »El Paco
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:04pmBump…. thou knowest nothing.
Do thine own homework before making uninformed accusations like that.
And yes, I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Report Post »txrailroader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:38pmDosen’t the Marines have a code? We all have a code in life that we need to live by these young men and women who go to school at B.Y.U. know better because that code will get them through life more then any sport will.
Report Post »Dick Blitskreig
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:35pmGood luck recruiting black basketball players In the future.
InformedReader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:39pmAnd this has to do with race how?
Report Post »franknshadow
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:57pmBelieve it or not DICK, “Black,” basketball players have morals too, but thanks for the bigotry..
Report Post »txrailroader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:01pmWhy would that matter? I rather have these young men and woman come to B.Y.U. to be a better person with Values, then they could be a better player on the feild and latter in the game of life.
Report Post »Chicago Ray
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:34pmTo echo others here….“WOW”… more of what America really needs..more chaste and less decadent ghetto ‘free for all’…
Report Post »Silverline
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:09pmv
Report Post »Cabo King
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:29pmthen expell everyone!!!!!!!!! fools who are you kidding
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:38pmThat was an intelligent remark. The thing is, the morals at this school are very high. People CHOOSE to attend. The kids know the rules. Yes sex happens and yes, if caught, the kids re disciplined.
A relative worked there – and yes they do fire faculty who are caught in an affair. *no my relative was ot fired, yet a co-worker was*
Report Post »El Paco
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:36pmDude, Cabo, everyone who goes there chooses to follow the code. Yea there’s guys who break the code and get away with it, but I can easily say that at least 98% of the students there don’t have sex till their married.
Report Post »I can say that since I was there for 6 years. Best 6 years of my life.
UlyssesP
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:29pmI once looked into the Church of LDS…but that’s because I thought it read LSD.
Report Post »txrailroader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:33pmCool, that would have been a great trip : )
Report Post »Amica
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:21pmWow…never heard that one before (yawn)
Report Post »Marine Recon Dad
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:29pmI am glad that the school is standing by its’ morals. Any player that attends a school like that should understand that their action represent that institution. And on top of that, they evidently have to sign a Code of Contact to attend there and play. So, kudos to all there. And if anyone, like the NAACP, ACLU and on try to sue the school for dropping the player – shame on them.
….. but then it goes without question that they WILL sue the school…..
Report Post »Goodgriefgeezlouise
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:26pmWhere was the counciling?..If he had just married six or seven of his girlfriends he would have never gotten into this trouble..
The only problem I have with this is that some very strict religious institutions are far less focused on the forgiveness aspect of the bible’s teachings and would rather carry out the punishment in front of the world to promote themselves..Just seems to me that there could be a great moment for the school to solidify it’s stand in this area and also have the kid grow as a human being rather than have him be the headline accross every sports page in the country..Sort of a public stoning by print..
How did Jim McMahon make it through?..
InformedReader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:38pm1) It’s not like the school is parading this out there. It is a big sports story because the team was ranked #3 in the country and this was one of their best players. It’s the media that is giving it all of the attention.
2) The university, his teammates, coaches, and fans have been very supportive of him. He has not been rejected. He has simply accepted the consequences of his decision – consequences he knew of since the day he started at BYU. No one is condemning him. On the contrary, everyone seems to be willing to help him find his way back.
Report Post »captainutah
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:44pm“If he had just married six or seven of his girlfriends he would have never gotten into this trouble”
Educate yourself sir, the LDS church has not practiced plural marriage for over a century. He is clearly going through the repentance process and has the support and forgiveness of those around him. That being said justice needs to be equal and blind to other factors. This is a perfect example of that.
Report Post »txrailroader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:52pmNo it is not the man broke the Honor code and he did the right thing by telling his choach about it. The counciling the young man got should have been through out his life grown up in provo.Just because he makes a mistake dosen’t mean he needs to be put on the cross.The team the school are standindg behind and will help him thru this.as for Jim McMahon he had to up hold himself to the same honor code he even said after he left B.Y.U.he said it was the best thing in his life.
Report Post »Amica
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:14pmYour ignorance is showing
Report Post »Amica
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:18pmJim McMahon made it through precisely because the honor code wasn’t as strictly enforced then. He was suspended after his last football season was over.
In response to txrailroader: He didn’t say the honor code was the best thing, he said the best view he ever had of BYU was in his rear view mirror as he was leaving.
Report Post »Sterling Mac
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:23pmIn all fairness, if a team suddenly stops playing one of their star players, people are gonna ask and demand an explanation. I highly doubt that too many people are going to consider your “this is all a conspiracy to make the Mormon church look good in the media” theory. Although the inevitable one or two are gonna love you for it.
Report Post »IamEvilHomer
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:57pmno if he married 6 of his girlfriends he would have been kicked out of school and ex-communicated from the Mormon church
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 7:12pmI hope this Basketball player learned a valuable lesson, don‘t speak and don’t give yourself up, when surrounded by holier than thou hypocrites.
Report Post »Soldiers_Son
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 2:22pmENCINOM
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 7:12pm
I hope this Basketball player learned a valuable lesson, don‘t speak and don’t give yourself up, when surrounded by holier than thou hypocrites.
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So, you are suggesting that he be a hypocrite when surrounded by “holier than thou hypocrites”?
It would be hypocritical for anyone to follow your suggestion in this situation.
The best solution would be to not go to BYU if you do not want to live by the rules that the school has, not to go there and then lie to everyone just to cover up your breaking of the rules. Integrity and character are evidently not things you value or encourage in others based on your comment and suggestion to dismiss both.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 5:15pm@Soldiers_Son
When confronted with religious zealots I say keep your mouth and closed and their minds. Other than the capital punishment for crimes against morality, there is little difference between the LDS and the taleban.
Report Post »grimmjsb
Posted on March 9, 2011 at 7:58amGoodgriefgeezlouise if you wanna mormon bash there are a lot of sites you can go to where people will agree with you beliefs and bolster your confidence. This however is not one of them. Notice in the video that attending church services regularly would mean that he has a church leader of whom he probably went to about the problem first. That bishop also would be the one counseling him in spiritual matters as well part of which would include helping him with personal forgiveness with God. This Boy more than likely knew what would most likely happen when he went to school officials with this information. He showed integrity and and a proper sense of priority in doing so. No game is worth more than a choice of personal morality and ones relationship with God. I think BYU reinforced that belief to its benefit. People make mistakes whats important is that we fix the problem and move on. The coaches positive outlook on the boys future with the team probably show a confidence in the boy and the actions he has made since the incident came out.I doubt that he would be on probation if the school felt that the boy would not fix his situation with God. Oh and Goodgriefgeezlouise what mercy is served by forgiveness without understanding? And how will the boy understand if there are no consequences. That the whole point of repentance. The school would not help this boy one bit if they let the matter pass lightly.
Report Post »InformedReader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:24pmIt’s great to see that even though the kid made a mistake, his team, coaches, and fans have rallied around him and still support him. He still has to accept the consequences of his actions, and his actions will have a significant impact on a lot of people, but there is still love and forgiveness. And yes, honor is more important than winning basketball games.
Report Post »Rob_M
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:21pmWow, most other colleges with this rule would be empty.
Report Post »ccr
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:54pmSad, isn’t it?! And what is refreshing………it is NOT easy to get into BYU!! They knowingly sign the honor code!
Report Post »Fuul Aluuf
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:49pmActually they wouldn‘t be empty because the most of the kids wouldn’t turn themselves in for breaking the code. There are plenty of students at BYU that do not live up to the promises they make and the school never finds out… of course those students are just hurting themselves, not the school, so its pretty silly.
That‘s not to say that there have never been sports staff that didn’t act honorably themselves, I am sure there have been staff that covered up issues so they could win games… Jim McMahon claimed that it was for that reason that he didn’t get suspended from BYU until just AFTER he played his last football game for them, best game ever: Jim McMahon@BYU@Holiday Bowl). Point is we are all human, and we all make mistakes, including the students, the school, its staff and even the church.
No one should be surprised when humans and earthly organizations make mistakes. Likewise it *shouldn’t* be but it *is* surprising when a student athlete and a school lives up to the high standards they have chosen for themselves.
We will all fail to live up to our principles all the time; some of us may live up to them most of the time when its easy; a few of us will live up to them when its hard.
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:29pmThat statement is incorrect.
Report Post »The reality is people will gravitate to “whatever” you encourage the majority to do.
If you set a high bar or good example that ‘s what they will gravitate to as a standard if you set a low and base standard then you invite everyone into the gutter with you. This is absolutely true.
And in THIS sense we find that we are, in fact, our brother’s keeper.
In the end the question is whether we influenced those in our spheres in good and positive ways or bad and negative ways.
I realize this is pretty elementary but the most important fundamental aspects of life usually are.
Part of the reason there is such and organized and concerted effort to market all that is wrong, immoral, degrading (and I add evil). In fact, if you looke at Alynski‘s rules for socialism and the communist plan you’ll find that the moral decay of a society is an actionable item.
Makes no bones about it – where your focus goes your energy flows and your choice of how you are actually going to invest yourself in this life has and will have a dramatic impact on everyone else and it does, in fact, begin with the power of one individual. You.
SimpleTruths
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:20pmI’m sure you will all be applying this same set of standards to Gingrich, right? Doesn’t marriage have some sort of honor code too?
Report Post »txrailroader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:31pmNo because i don’t like newt.
Report Post »franknshadow
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:45pmAbsolutely!! Gingrich isn’t much better than McCain imho.. Not exactly fresh blood, more like spoiled meat.. He knows people, thats all..
Report Post »Amica
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:11pmOnly if he goes to BYU
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:28pmAsk BJ “ Lewinsky” Clinton
Ask JF “ Marilyn Monroe” Kennedy
Ask John “Rielle Hunter” Edwards
Ask Ted “Mary Jo Kopechne” Kennedy
Standards only apply to Conservatives, Republicans,
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:34pm@13th Imam
If you run on family values, than practice what you preach. The Dems are not running on family values, sunday school, mom and apple pie. The GOP sets up standards that they can not live by.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:56pmencinom;
They CAN live up to them, they choose NOT to. It probably has to do with the incorrect idea that they are better that we, because they have so many benefits: Look at shelia jackson lee. Does anyone, except her, think she is any better than any other American? I think not.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:50pmEncinom
Cool example of SAUL ALINSKY”S Rules for Radical’s No. 4 “ Make the Enemy Live Up To Their Own Rules” Quote, You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian can live up to Christianity. The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” FAIL
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:03pm@13th Imam
You do not see the problem with Newt attacking Clinton on moral grounds, while Newt was leaving his wife for something younger. The GOP run on their morals, we are holding them to the standards that they set for themselves. I would say the same thing about a Dem. if he made his high morals an issue.
Report Post »Grandpa
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 8:58amW. Mitt Romney Background
Brigham Young University, B.A., 1971
http://pewforum.org/religion08/candidates/mitt-romney/
I hope this PR helps win Mitt a few more friends
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:56pmhuh? why politicize this comment thread? What’s w/ the tangent?
Report Post »slonlo
Posted on March 7, 2011 at 1:31pmSo to summarize…
It’s ridiculous when standards are set and then adhered to…
But it’s completely hypocritical when standards are set and not adhered to.
Got it. O_o
Report Post »gracie07
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:19pmgood for BYU! I am LDS and any person going to that school knows what is expected of them.
Report Post »txrailroader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:28pm+1 Thank you
Report Post »IamEvilHomer
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:55pmi agree
Report Post »damn every time we get a good team something like this happens. I they they need to lock all star players in a padded room :)
MrsNix
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:15pmI’m proud of the school and proud of the young man for honoring the honor code by fessing up and taking his dose.
I bet he’ll turn out just fine in life. :)
Report Post »NexusRex
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:21pmAgreed, this reflects very well on him and not just the school. We need accountability like this in politics.
Untameable-kate
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:59pmA very uplifting story. I wish there were more people interested in good morals and ethics.
Report Post »count_me_in
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:14pmAnyone have an update on the Shariah march in DC???
Report Post »mill
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:46pmit’s probably next monday, dress code is naked…be there
Report Post »Tmwatz
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:13pmI am glad they stick by their guns. Honor is more important than winning.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:46pmHaving Honor iS winning.
Report Post »uclaron
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:10pmFinally an institution stands behind its rules. If you are an athlete or student and you decide to go to BYU you know what is expected. Every student signs the Honor Code and every student knows if they break it there is a consequence. Kid broke their rules. Now 99.9% of the other schools could care less but 99.9% don’t make you sign an honor code. This is the BYU rule. He chose BYU. Don’t break the honor code. Seems pretty simple to me. I would love to see Notre Dame, Boston College, SMU…all the other religious colleges enforce some rules. This does not hurt society only help.
Report Post »Evil Fundamentalist
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:10pmI’m glad to hear there is still one college level institution with some integrity and honor. I respect this decision and stand behind the university.
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:08pmAnother example of honor that those jokers in the WH and their owners need to learn. Do something wrong and accept the consequences but I’m concerned that they will never be willing to do that.
Report Post »GODSAMERICA
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:29pm@encinom
Report Post »You are right about Brigham Young but I was speaking about Brandon Davies. He did something wrong but it looks like he accepted his punishment with honor.
encinom
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:40pmSorry, I just find it hypocritical of the University bearing the name of a man that covered up the slaughter of settlers enforcing an honor code.
Report Post »IamEvilHomer
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:53pmENCINOM they have not tried to hid anything
Report Post »they donated the land
created a memorial
there are several books and programs about the MMM done by church members.
so where is the hiding?
Dale
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:50pmencinom;
You’re making serious accuations. Where are your facts? Do you have any? I read other’s posts and see they dispute your claims – and seem to have facts, (I know a little about the incident) and I agree with them. SO, where are your facts? What causes you to make these claims aside from hearsay?
Report Post »PatriotSmith
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:55pm@Encinom
If i didn‘t know any better i’d say your anti mormon…kinda sad to be criticizing a church that has values…which means you probably don’t have any…
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:13pm@Dale
Read about the incident, read about BY’s attempts to cover up the incident and hide the death from Federal officials. No one is challenging BY’s invovlement, they are pointing to modern white washing attempts to cover-up their exaulted leader’s greatest sin.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:19pm@PatriotSmith
I have values, one of them is that I do not blindly follow anyone claiming to speak for God, I value independant thinkers over sheep. Nor I am a fan of the LDS church and the blind obediance its members show. I also find honor codes that enforce religious dogma out dated and not compatable with a free society. I enjoy Irish Coffee’s to much to ever of thought of going to BYU.
Report Post »mill
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:45pmencinom
most people I k now…mainly non mormon…do not question their religion.
They don’t know one thing except what they are told…and don’t really care. if it is good and makes them happy and not against the law, it‘s none of your ’religious” zealot business.
You wanna get down to it…”every’ religion has a closet that no one wants to open and show the world.
BYU has an honor code. He knew it, he broke it, and he’ll pay a price. To his honor , he admitted what he had done. We want to know how BYU found out .
Davies may be back…but not soon. If he is allowed back so soon..what good is an honor code?
BYU is fairly strict. Don’t like it?..don’t go there.
Report Post »APEXIdaho
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:39pmThe truth about Mountain Meadows.
http://lds.org/ensign/2007/09/the-mountain-meadows-massacre?lang=eng&query=mountain+meadows+massacre
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 10:48am@APEXIdaho
Sorry, that is not the truth, about a white wash attempt to prtect Young and the Church. The truth is that Young if he did not order the slaughter, created the atmosphere that lead to it and covered it up attempting to blame native americans for the actions of his followers.
Report Post »SusanBM
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:32amEncinom: Of course, nothing anyone says here will change your opinions. I learned long ago that when it comes to Mormon‘s people just don’t want to listen to anything but what THEY want to believe. But, for a second, think about this in a logical, not emotional way.
In the 1800′s Mormons had been driven from NY to Ohio to Missouri (where the Gov. had issued a proclamation making it legal to murder Mormons and where they were killed in what is called the “Hans Mill Masacer (sp)), and finally to Illinois where their prophet was also murdered and where they were again driven from the city they built in the dead of winter. By the time BY and his followers got to Utah, they wanted nothing of the outside world. But the outside world came to them. on its way to California and the Gold Rush.
Would it be smart of BY to actually stir up MORE violence against the Mormons? Would he want to incite the federal government and others to come to Utah (Called the State of Deseret at that time) and once again find themselves murdered and driven to who knows where? It would not be a smart move, and, no matter what you think of Young, he was anything but dumb. Others, however, weren’t as smart as he. This is all well documented. But again, believe what you will.
As for Brandon, I think he stands head and shoulders above many other athletes. He took on the responsibility of his actions – as has his girlfriend by the way – will pay the consequences and will move on. He is to be applauded.
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 12:11pmTo ENCINOM most people call your views religious bigotry. Don‘t be offended it’s just two words that creat a label designed to define or identify a persons views. That’s is. Those are yours. Call it what it is.
Report Post »I have my own prejudices. I have healthy disdain for people who, for instance, have a worldview where they aspire to get through life without any sense or level of accountability to anything or anybody. They are inherently selfish. I think that produces a wasted life. I gravitate in my worldview to the idea that man is growth by law and that he has a potential and purpose in this life and that we are called to strife to meet that objective out.
Interestingly, that I am right or wrong doctrinally or philosophically is not of any consequence at all to me. That it moves me towards that objective and produces a better life than I might of otherwise have had w/out this new idea or standard is ultimately the bigger picture for me.
Coralchristie
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:07pmI feel sorry for Brandon but know that the consequence has been fixed for honor code violations since I attended over 25 years ago. He will be fine and so will the team because honor is more important than basketball.
Report Post »ccr
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:50pmIt took a LOT of courage for Brandon to humbly admit and apologize to his teammates and coach. I can’t imagine the pain he has felt. I am extremely proud of his mature acceptance of his honor code violation. Knowing of God’s love and gift of repentance and forgiveness, I pray that Brandon will be, as Coach Rose, said…..again a player on the BYU men’s BB team! (and the for the girl……I hope it will be a positive growing experience for her, as well.)
For those not tolerant of BYU’s honor code or moral living, I really don’t expect this to be understood.
I, too, am glad to see BYU’s integrity in a world filled with ………..otherwise.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:40pmAn employer looking at two application, one from a BYU graduate and the other from, say a Northwestern grad; and given they were otherwise equally qualified may just find that having/following an honor code tips the decision toward applicant A. So while this event may hurt BYU’s national championship chances this year – it shows that integrity still matters. If every institution (including the government) had integrity we would not be in the sorry state we are.
Report Post »ElGuapo
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:23pmWell put Dale.
Report Post »AZ Prosecutor
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:07pmHonor code . . . in a University . . . I’m impressed and I am not a Mormon!
Report Post »really.truly
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:12pmi actually moved to utah with my best friend while she was going to BYU (i did not go to school there), but almost ALL of the apartments anywhere close to the university makes you sign a contract with the BYU honor code.. they had to do this to be considered “BYU approved housing”, which the students had to live in to attend the university (if they weren’t living at home). So even though i never went to school there i did technically have to sign their honor code to live in my apartment, and i could’ve been kicked out of my apartment if the management had caught wind of me breaking that contract (thank goodness no one ever ratted me out).
the university has morals and they stand by them… i respect that, even if i disagreed with some of the rules.
Report Post »laieha
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:07pmHonor matters.
Report Post »AKMIIKEUS
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:19pmMormons = Islam
The similiarities are eery.
IamEvilHomer
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:44pmAKMIIKEUS=idiot
Report Post »it is scary how close the similarities are ?
franknshadow
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:22pmAKMIKE, you have confirmed, without doubt, your pursuit of naked ignorance.. It is so obvious you have not one lucid clue.. Pathetic and sad..
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:50amAKMIIKEUS is what some people call a religious biggot!
Report Post »a bigot is a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
no big deal… he’s just intolerant.
Here we have a religion, a creed, an instution or an individual that by all accounts does something hard and elevated and commendable and the best seem people can come up with is name calling, diminishment, callumny, defamation.
Here’s clarity..
That reaction stands on it’s own merits. There is no defending it. why? because everybody can see it when it happens and everybody is clear where it comes from.
A truth like say an honor code stands on it’s own merits – it requires no defense because it is right or good. A falsehood like say calling something that is good – bad. Or calling a noble virtue something degrading deisgned to mock or ridicule requires a defense because it is not readily apparent to good, clear thinking people how one arrives at the notions the espouse. (Part of the problem with the condition of the legal industry.)
What happens in BYU everyday is not a big deal in the scheme of things but it is refreshing and inspiring in a desensitized world where few things inspire us. Where people usually act by desperation rather than inspiration. Inpiring acts, even if attributable to an individual’s momentary weakness and correction is noteworthy. In fact, when you think about it – it is “especially” noteworthy as an honest example of what to do and how we ought to manage ourselves.
southernloyalty
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:06pmGood, glad to see this for once. Hope they kicked the girl out with him.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:21pmThey stoned her, happy?
Report Post »Steverino
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:04pmGONZO-
Report Post »We don’t stone people here in America, last I checked.
That would be in one of the barbarian middle east countries.
Amica
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:19pmHe wasn’t kicked out of school, just suspended from the team for the remainder of the season. If the girl is a BYU student, I’m sure she was disciplined as well.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:23pmSteverino
Report Post »Thanks for clearing that up.
Gonzo
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:28pmMy sarcasm is in response to the vindictive attitude towards two kids on here. I’m not too old to remember what being 20 years old is like. Hoping the girl is kicked out of school is vindictive.
Report Post »Clive
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:42pmgood one gonzo. yeah, i think they should probably castrate the kid, and stone the woman. for doing a natural act. lord… if anyone thinks a mormon can run this country they are higher than sheen.
Report Post »mickie4
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 6:57amHe was probably there on a full paid sports schlorship and thought he could get away with anything.
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:19amListen – having an honor code is not vindictive. Yes we understand what it’s like to be 18 or 19 or 20. We know all about our natural predispositions and raging hormones. We get that!
Report Post »The reason there is an honor code is NOT to limit anyones freedom but rather to invite them to bridle those passions and exercise a little discipline in the hopes that it will help you become a better person. Obviously, if you llok at this with a negative attitude then that is what you will draw from it.
But that’s just not what happens at BYU and yes it is instigated by the tenents of the Mormon religion which when you ACTUALLY think about it – doesn’t matter…if in the end it invites you to a higher and better life. Don’t complicate this! It is just about becoming better by striving for morality and a little well-placed personal discpline.
Interestingly, whatever your immediate subculture promotes and permeates is usually what we gravitate and adhere to. Her BYU is saying this is what we’re about…it has to do with good choices, morals, principles. Some other school or subculture will focus on what they collectively stand for.
I am sure that because this honor code essentially permeates the culture at BYU it is largely a non-issue. It’s in the background why? because EVERYONE is “trying” to get it right. I think that just makes good sense. Right/Wrong or indifferent wiritng your own rules of life to succeed just makes sense. So – what do YOU stand for? Don’t answer – first think not of who you are but who you could be if you wanted to be your best self. Here – this concept has been has been captured and utilized.
Awesome! Inspiring BYU. Keep your chin up Brandon! Mistakes will happen and congrats on getting it right.
count_me_in
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:02pmAnyone watch “big love”?? The Mormon church is not exactly without it’s scandals!!! It’s not like the kid is 15….
hauschild
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:07pmNice outlet to gather your facts from.
And people have the stones to question how Obama got elected?!?!?
Report Post »VRW Conspirator
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:11pm15 or 50…doesn’t matter…when you attend the school, you accept the honor code…
West Point, VMI, Annapolis…all the military schools have honor codes…break the code..accept the punishment…if this was the military…nobody would bat an eye….but since it is the Mormon Church there is a problem….
Report Post »Tmwatz
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:14pmOh yeah big love is so accurate……except they have nothing to do with the LDS church or BYU!
Report Post »count_me_in
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:15pmIt was a joke D-bag….
Report Post »NexusRex
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:17pmI’m pretty sure “Big Love” is based on followers of the FLDS church—a wildly different break-off group. I’m not a regular viewer though.
Report Post »txrailroader
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:18pmYou might be right but good is good and bad is bad you can’t have it both ways. I would rather my childern go to a school that holds up family values then go somewhere like Northwestern.Just because people have a problem with Mormons it dosen’t mean that everything is wrong with the church or the school.Big Love points out everything that is wrong with one man that has more then one wife,that is not God’s way it is one man one wife…….
Report Post »Midwest Blonde
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:31pmThe Mormon Church does NOT practice polygamy. These people have been excommunicated from the church and still, live their lives (except for polygamy) as if they are still menbers. The church has not practiced polygamy as a principle of their religion for over 100 years now. Get your fact straight before you spout off.
Report Post »Tipdog
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:40pmYou have no idea what you are talking about. You let a TV show dictate to you what a religion is all about, when in fact, it is nothing like that.
Report Post »Sterling Mac
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:06pmYou can count yourself in the ignorant club… Brigham Young University is affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Big Love is affiliated with Hollywood. Need I say more? It’s people like you who watch Micheal Moore documentaries, Bill Mahr indoctrination, etc., and then go on to spread your new found “enlightenment” like a disease. If you’re not willing to take the time to learn, then you should be much less willing to take the time to speak.
Report Post »dat bee
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:10pmThe people in “Big Love” are not Members of the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. They are Polygamists. Not Mormons in good standing
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:38pm@James83940
The Mormon’s did not end the practice of polygamy, becuase they received some message from God (on another set of gold tablets, whose words change with each reading), but the Utah territory wanted to join the union and this was one condiction. The LDS Church set aside one of its principals for political gain.
Report Post »really.truly
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:06pm@Encinom
from what i remember from US history Utah did give up polygamy as joining the union, but from what i understood they did it because mormonism teaches that america (the US) is a divinely inspired and blessed nation. so God asked them to put aside the practice of polygamy in order to preserve the nation. really, the reason polygamy was practiced makes total sense when taught and thought of in context to mormon doctrine… but there’s no way i could handle my husband having other wives.
random civil war sidenote… i grew up in TN and i remember all the rednecks would say things about the south rising again, but we actually were living in one of the few counties in the South that actually faught for the North. i always found it funny and ironic that they never quite caught onto that fact during our Tennessee History classes.
Report Post »Carolyn
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:21pmEncinom – Not exactly.
Through revelation, the Lord showed the Prophet what would happen to the church and its members if the practice of plural marriage was continued. He put a question before them as to whether the people should continue to attempt to practice plural marriage with the laws of the nation against it…… or cease the practice and submit to the law.
The Prophet told the saints,
“… I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done…. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. …”
And the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints continues today as the Lord would have it continue, guided by His hand.
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Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:50pm@really.truly and Carolyn
Call me a cynic, but the LDS leaders claiming the word of God to justify a change in their religious dogma for political gain, much like the changes LDS made regarding their views on race when that was becoming a politcal weight around their neck.
While with the first two Testements of the Bible their is a historical record that corresponds, the book of Mormon is something I would expect from L. Ron Hubbard. The LDS leaders are quick to use religon to justify politcal moves and pull the wool over their sheep’s eyes.
Report Post »El Paco
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:06pm@ Enicom,
It‘s a good thing we can ask God if something the church leader does is good so they don’t pull the “wool over my eyes”.
Report Post »Colorado81505
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:44pmDuuuuude! its a TV show. It don’t make a lick of diff. if it was a Mormon school, Catholic School, or whatever. He signed on and He agreed to the terms. Give the kid some credit for showing some Honor and integrity and call it a day.
Report Post »niki
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 7:05pmyou are an idiot. That has nothing to do with the mormon church. Do a little research and save yourself some embarrassment.
Report Post »rglenn08
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 9:59pmSorry Count_Me_In, that is the wrong church. The Mormons don’t practice that anymore. It’s those people from Texas.
Report Post »americanfirst
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:07amImagine that…
Report Post »someone who actually arrives at their views BASED on what Hollywood programs you to believe.
I’m impressed….how very non-thinking of you.
Do you normally parrot everything you hear w/out processing any of it?
Do the world a favor and shut up until you arrive at something substantial to say and then…
think about it first!
I’ve got a prejudice…it’s stupid people!
Happy Mom
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 11:09amSorry; Big Love is not about Mormon’s. Polygamy was outlawed in the Mormon church over 100 years ago. It simply isn’t allowed in the church. The vast majority of “Mormon Fundamentalists” ie. polygamists, have never been baptized members of the Mormon church and couldn’t even tell you about the basic tenants of the faith. To associate any current polygamists with the Mormon church is either uninformed or misleading.
Report Post »bassist237
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 12:58pmWow. Just, wow. I don’t have a good comment for this one sorry to waste your time.
Report Post »bassist237
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:10pmI will say though, at least since they have those rules that I am sure everyone is aware of, that they are sticking to them.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:15pmIf that is the Univ policy than that‘s it’s business. But it should apply to ALL students, employees, and mostly the Perfessers, and Administration and Board of Directors.
8jrts
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:20pmHe should go to Northwestern University….they have no morals there they have shows!
Report Post »franknshadow
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:40pm13thIMAM.. The rules do apply that way… Why would you assume they don’t??
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 1:57pmShadow reread my post . no assumption is stated. I see athlete’s singled out all the time, my daughter was drug tested constantly as a univ volleyball player. You sound like a socialist Perfesser that wants to get a exemption from compliance. By the by, how many UNIONS, corporations, states have been exempted from Barry’s , “everybody should have skin in the game” Obummercare
Report Post »HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:24pmRefreshing contrast with many other athletic organizations. No one expects people to be perfect, but when the team excuses conduct because of the player’s in-game performance, the scandals keep increasing until there’s hardly any class or sportsmanship left at all anymore. Good for BYU for sticking to its guns. And good for Davies for taking his lumps gracefully. I hope he’ll be able to get back into the game asap, and that the life-lesson will be well learned (that keeping it in your pants can have its rewards).
Report Post »AKMIIKEUS
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:45pmBYU and these Mormon’s ( Beck) act and behave as if they are the all mighty.
It was Jesus that said “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.
Future Students and athletes beware of BYU. I understand that this private university has an honor code but the crime does not fit the punishment.
BYU lost last night after almost every expert in the country had all but guaranteed they were a #1 seed in the tournament. That is not going to happen now.
BYU deserves to lose and everything else negative coming their way.
hud
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 2:46pmIn the age of Obummer, we have an honorable institution and student doing what they perceive is right. A very refreshing event.
Report Post »aragona
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:56pmHe knew about the honor code, what it said, and what a violation of it was and its penalty. He chose to go to BYU and with that choice he agreed to bide by their rules. If he didn’t like the rules, he could have picked any other school that wasn’t a religious school. There are lots and lots in this nation.
I’m sorry that losing a basketball game is more important to you than maintaining good ethics and morals. You are yet another example of what is wrong with this country.
Report Post »Herman_Cain
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 3:57pmNice to see a Young Man stand by his word. It is hard to cheer for most of the ghetto criminals in college sports now days.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:02pmI take it he agreed to abide by their code when he began to play for them. He broke his word, he gets punished. Simple as that.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:23pmAKMIIKEUS;
Are you a Northwestern grad? Even if you aren’t, you are a odumba cabinet candidate.
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 4:51pmBYU is a difficult school to get into. It consistently ranks highly in sports and academics. But students know what is expected. The code is talked about. It’s read and understood. It’s not a surprise or mystery to students or faculty. There aren‘t undercover Honor Code police making sure you aren’t hiding a latte in your Coke cup. It is simply that…an Honor Code. They leave it up to the honor of the individual to do what’s right. However, when flagrant violations are uncovered or admitted, then consequences exist and the school will work with you in providing the help and support you need. Being expelled is a last resort. I graduated from the university and witnessed the process in friends. Contrary to what nay-sayers might suppose, the Honor Code does not exist to police, or demean, or embarrass. The only reason we know of the incident is because of Brandon’s high publicity in the first place. I stand by BYU 100%, and I would imagine that Brandon does too. A school that wants to create more than just educated imbeciles? A modern university that thinks highly of honor in society? What a novel concept….the Greeks would be proud.
Report Post »OutOfTheAether
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:50pmAKMIIKEUS
Part of the honor code at BYU stipulates having premarital sex, among other things. In in the code. It part of the tenets of their religion. Holding fast to a principle in the face of competing alternatives is called INTEGRITY!! This young man knew the rules, obviated by the fact that HE was the one that came forward about it to his teammates. Dissing on a university for sticking to their principles doesn’t do much for your own image, but then maybe you don’t care about that. At any rate, this says a lot about that young man that he feels remorse, that he can admit the mistake and take his lumps for it. He is showing more gumption, maturity and integrity than most politicians I see.
Report Post »OutOfTheAether
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 5:57pmer my bad. meant that BYU stipulates AGAINST premarital sex. chalk it up to typing too fast
Report Post »KOCHLEFFEL
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:15pmWhat a nonsense! And they are afraid of the Sharia Law.
Report Post »What a narishkeit!
dudemeister
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:21pmI would like to chime in as a recent (less than 5 years) BYU grad.
It is true that the rules are very strict, and consequences for breaking those rules can be harsh, especially when viewed by someone who does not share the same standard of moral conduct. HOWEVER, every student, and I mean EVERY, is aware of those rules and consequences. Before Fall semester every year, each and every student signs a document saying they have read, understood, and will obey the Honor Code. Every student meets with a leader of a congregation to attest to their current state of compliance, and every student is reminded of the Honor Code every day by just being on campus and seeing throngs of modestly dressed women, clean-shaven men, clean sidewalks, fresh air, sensible and mature conversation, and the ambiance of the institution (I would like to note that there is not a single ashtray on campus!).
Please don’t misunderstand, I had my beefs with the Honor Code. I hate shaving, and love facial hair, but that is not an option. Because I knew what was expected every year, and that I always had the option of going to any other school in the nation, I did abide by the Honor Code, sometimes begrudgingly, because I made the choice to be there.
Brandon Davies also knew what the Honor Code entailed, and the consequences for breaking it. As did everyone else, he had the option to attend any other school in the nation, many of which would likely have been glad to have him. We have seen the same situation in the past with high profile athletes being removed from sports because of Honor Code violations. It is a known risk of attempting to live the “common” college lifestyle perpetuated by youth media.
For those seeking a more fantasized college experience, perhaps Northwestern would be a more suitable choice.
Report Post »Killa From Wasilla
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:42pmI attended BYU over 30 years ago and found that there was such an incredible amount of hypocrisy within the ranks of the athletic dept. and university as a whole.
Report Post »I can guarantee you that at least 80% of all male and female athletes have or are having a sexual relationship with someone of the same or opposite sex.
I played four years of tennis and normal sexual activity was the same there as every other campus, yet BYU and Mormons cannot admit the reality.
BYU would have maybe one man on the court standing if they all admitted to either having sex, drinking or taking drugs. For those of you who think I am not Mormon you are wrong. I was raised such but saw the light of day outside of BY__ZOO.
They have just thrown out the best chance they will ever have of winning a championship based on false premises. The holier than thou attitude does not fly with those of us that know better!!!!
proudconservative
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 6:56pmI respect the fact that BYU placed honor ahead of winning a possible National Championship. I listened to the game online last night with them playing New Mexico and they definitely lost a lot of rebounding and scoring ability with Brandon Davies gone. I sure hope he is back next year. That said I somewhat begrudgingly must admit that in the long run they did the best thing for this young man. He is experiencing the consequences of his decisions and although some may consider this harsh it is part of the code he agreed to live by and therefore must accept the results of a bad decision. What is impressive is I understand he went to the school authorities himself and confessed, so he is a fine young man with great character who made a bad mistake but was willing to face the music of that mistake.
Report Post »joel228
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 7:52pmKilla From Wasilla
Report Post »You are dillusional. I attended BYU at the same time you did (80 – 84) and knew my share of athletes and regular students. The vast majority lived by the honor code.
HappyStretchedThin
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 8:00pmKilla,
Report Post »Playboy magazine consistently ranks BYU #1 in least sexually active campus in the US. And you’ve got a history of bias. Of course they’re not interested in MARITAL sex, which is 100% AOK and frequent at BYU, trust me. Mormons aren’t prudes, they just try to do things God’s way, as they see it.
Why is it everyone here but you and AKMiik (hmm. Alaska connection? Same person even?) recognizes honor and integrity when you they see it?
I’ll hold back from asserting that your only way of knowing that 80% of the athletic department was doing the nasty is if you were the Nasty they were doing it with. (Or like I say, if they were married and doing it with their spouse)
It’s not nice to lie…But we don’t believe you anyway…
Bob Holland
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 8:39pm@AKMIIKEUS, Apparently you have a different definition of honor then the people at BYU. They seem to believe that integrity and honor are more important than 1st place. Shame on you.
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:03pmKILLA FROM WASILLA,
My son who is attending BYU but currently away on a two year mission took me on a tour of BYU and I asked him how the students were in general about keeping the honor code. He told me he had never witnessed anyone break the code that it was pretty much not even an issue. This leaves me to believe that apparently you were hanging out with the wrong crowd and not living up to the code yourself, or just lying to make BYU look bad.
Report Post »Kookaburra
Posted on March 3, 2011 at 10:06pm@ IKEUS: Jesus also said that even if you look at a woman with lust in your heart, you have already committed adultery with her. Thou shalt not commit adultery. That is one of the Ten Commandments. BYU is just enforcing them, and they let the students know up front that that is their policy, otherwise you’re out. It is not casting the first stone, it is abiding by the Law of God….the world is sick to death of these immoral, disgusting athletes putting themselves out there as overpaid, underworked, perverted role models for our children. It is refreshing to see the BYU has standards that they uphold. Kudos to them for that much.
Report Post »foobear
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 6:30amIt’s a common misconception that premarital sex is prohibited by the Bible. It’s not. If you don’t believe me, pull up a concordance on sex and read all the entries.
Might be different for Mormons, but most Christians seem to get this one wrong.
Report Post »APEXIdaho
Posted on March 4, 2011 at 9:47amFoobear,
My Bible is pretty clearly condems it
Fornication
Hebrew: zanah / Greek: porneia
Fornication is voluntary sexual intercourse between a man and woman who are not married to each other. Adultery is one type of fornication.
In every form, fornication was sternly condemned by the Mosaic law among God’s people, the Israelites (Lev. 21:9; 19:29; Deut. 22:20-11, 23-29; 23:18; Ex. 22:16). (See ADULTERY.)
Fornication is also mentioned many times in the New Testament (Matt. 5:32; 19:9; John 8:41; Acts 15:20, 29; 21:25; Rom. 1:29; 1 Cor 5:1, 6:13, 18, 7:2; 10:8; 2 Cor 12:21; Gal 5:19; Eph 5:3; Col 3:5; 1 Thess. 4:3; Jude 1:7; Rev. 2:14, 20-21; 9:21; 14:8; 17:2,4).
“The Greek word for ‘fornication’ (porneia) could include any sexual sin committed after the betrothal contract. …In Biblical usage, ‘fornication’ can mean any sexual congress outside monogamous marriage. It thus includes not only premarital sex, but also adultery, homosexual acts, incest, remarriage after un-Biblical divorce, and sexual acts with animals, all of which are explicitly forbidden in the law as given through Moses (Leviticus 20:10-21). Christ expanded the prohibition against adultery to include even sexual lusting (Matthew 5:28).” (Dr. Henry M. Morris)
The word “fornication” is sometimes used in a symbolic sense in the Bible, for example, meaning a forsaking of God or a following after idols (idolatry—Isa. 1:2; Jer. 2:20; Ezek. 16; Hos. 1:2; 2:1-5; Jer. 3:8-9).
1 Corinthians 6
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Acts15
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
1 Corinthians 7
2 Nevertheless, to avoid bfornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
Galatians 5
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness
Ephesians 5
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints
1 Thessalonians 4
Report Post »3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication
Rice Water
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 1:23amApparently, The Blaze keeps it “kid friendly” (which is pretty scary in its own rite, but what the hey?), so:
Too bad they didn’t think of this before the Aztecs game last weekend.
M***********s.
Report Post »delnobel
Posted on March 5, 2011 at 9:41pmPeople can be cynical about this…but for me “sports” are a way of not only keeping physically fit but a great way to develop character. When you lose, you learn how to cope and move on. When you win, you learn to celebrate success.
In my opinion, sounds like BYU is concerned about developing strength of CHARACTER, HONOR, and personal RESPONSIBILITY in their students.
Who wouldn’t want to hire graduates from a university that expects so much from their students???
Who wouldn’t want to hire graduates that expect so much from themselves??
I’m not saying people are perfect…but wouldn’t our nation be in a much better place if more of our citizens took time to develop in themselves and teach their children character, honor, and personal responsibility?
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on March 6, 2011 at 10:31amToo bad so sad. No problem, though. He can get on a team like C.U. Boulder where pre-marital sex is a competition among the players and the school has no problems with it. Stardom is just over the next bleachers.
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