Cain & Bachmann Want to Reinstate Waterboarding
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SPARTANBURG, S.C. (AP) — Republican presidential hopefuls Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann both say they would reinstate waterboarding during interrogations of suspected terrorists, while rivals Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman both say they see the procedure as torture.
The GOP contenders split Saturday night over whether waterboarding would be an effective tool.
Cain says he doesn’t support torture, but he says he would trust military leaders to determine what that means. He says he would return to waterboarding because he doesn’t see it as torture.
Bachmann says she supports it, while Paul says it is illegal.
Huntsman says waterboarding diminishes U.S. standing in the world and undercuts the nation’s values.
GOP contender Mitt Romney wasn’t directly asked about the issue but adds he would use whatever means necessary to protect America.
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RSHLUVER
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 3:06pmFormer Bam Bam CIA Director Leon Panetta said it’s not torture.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on November 15, 2011 at 1:05am@ RSHLUVER – That, alone, should make us all think that it is torture. The CIA (remnants of the Nazis) are not to be trusted. They have violated their own regulations more times than any other government agency.
Report Post »Peace
don young
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:40amIf that is what it takes to save american lives do it waterboarding has not been known to kill anyone what is a little discomfort to save lives.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:51pm@ don young – It hasn‘t been known to kill anyone because the military isn’t being open about what they’re doing. We’re finding out by other sources. They’ve admitted as much.
Report Post »How long before they start using that technique on American citizens? They’ve already killed an American citizen without a trial in direct violation of the Constitution).
The US PATRIOT Act treats all suspects as potential terrorists and illegally “strips them of their rights.”
How long before YOU become a terrorist to our government. Hanging out on this website, I might think that you are already under suspicion. Just like all of us veterans that won’t join the police force. And even some that do.
Peace
Spqr1
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:23pmMore evidence that true Conservatives don’t now, and never have believed in the rule of law.
Report Post »Cida
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:17pmYou need to speak for your own Ignorance and party affiliation. I took this personal and decided to respond to it anyway. I am neither a Republican or Conservative.
Report Post »I Stand With Israel…Am Israel!!!!
apollo18
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 2:41amConservatives are literate. We can understand the difference between “torture” and “torment”. That goes for “hopeless”, too. If you’re ever privileged to meet an American former POW, DO NOT bring it up.
Fool.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 9:58amCain and Bachmann don’t know the Constitution, yet say we should stick to it:
Bachmann voted for the Patriot Acts, which stripped Americans of their due process (for “protection”)
They like waterboarding – even though the United States government hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding US prisoners of war in World War II because they deemed it torture of our soldiers. Waterboarding deprives the brain of oxygen and the victim can die much later (not during the even) or experience brain damage.
Cain and Bachmann have both bought into the Arminijad/Iran media fear – Arminijad is 14th DOWN from the leader, yet the media uses his statements and photo to represent all of Iran. Arminijad is sorta like the Maxine Watters of Iran. Does Maxine Watters represent all of the US? no Does Arminijad represent all of Iran? No
I believe both of their intentions are good, they just doesn’t have a mature understanding of the Constitution. Every time we depart from the Constitution, we are closer to global government.
Report Post »Stephan D. Markos
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:21pmIt’s illegal. It’s immoral. It’s un-American. Forget 90 seconds, Ron Paul only needs 9. Our next president.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:28pmNah. Now go get your blanky and go back to bed. We will keep the monsters away for you while you sleep. The first casualty of war is the truth.
Report Post »Don Schanzenbach
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:13pmHey Guys,
Report Post »For those of us who are Bible believing Christians we ought to be asking questions like – What examples do we find in Scripture about the military taking prisoners in the first place? What does the Bible teach about torture of our enemies? How do the heros of the Bible act in regard to this issue? These are not questions we ought to be answering as if God has no opinion. Pragmatics is not the answer here, God’s wisdom is. As for me, I see no example of God’s people going to war and taking prisoners at all. Saul did it once but the prophet Samuel promptly killed those prisoners, end of story. Am I missing something here?
missiontorestoreamerica.com/blog
Cida
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:56pmTo me there is no such thing as water boarding the terrorist and that is why Ron Paul is not President and Huntsman will not make it. These Presidential contends are stupid if they think these terrorist can be reasoned with. Ron Paul wants to take away their allowance money until they promise to behave and do what the U.S. tells them to do. Bribery never works and Fools never learn! Thank G-D we did not have this kind of thinking in WWI and WWII this country would not have survived without our Men doing whatever they had to do to win. In WAR nothing is illegal and there are no rules to survival. I Stand With Israel…Am Israel
Report Post »Spqr1
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:20pmSo, the Geneva Conventions happened in some alternate reality?
Report Post »Cida
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:06pmTo SPQR1
Report Post »Oh, you’re trying to be a smart a$$ or you could not find anything smarter to say. I don’t think you understand what I am saying and this is My Opinion!! WWII ended with Hiroshima in 1945 and The Geneva Conventions came about in 1949 our Men of War did what had to be done to survive WWI and WWII, nothing was illegal, there was no name for questioning the prisoner, get the information anyway you can, surviving the war and coming home. Now everyone tries to use psychology to understand why terrorist do what they do. The Geneva Convention limits good people but, the terrorist play by different rules. You can call it water boarding if you want but, I say terrorize the terrorist or kill them. I Stand With Israel…Am Israel
garbagecanlogic
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:23pmSounds good to me. When American lives are at stake, then do what is necessary to prevent their deaths. Too hell with the U.N.
The U.S. Out Of The U.N.
Report Post »The U.N. Out Of The U.S.
wildwood
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 2:20pmWe waterboard, them give them them their favorite food, house, cloth, give them TV.s to watch and many more privileges!!!!
Report Post »What do they do??????
Behead cut off limbs, starve, beat , hang , bomb, burn, and just anything imaginable!!!!!!!
Does anyone think they will change, no, they are determined to kill every one who do not agree with them!!!!
Silverwolf00
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 1:01pmCome on people we subject our own troops to water boarding during training so they know what they can expect…
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 1:55pmWho says they actually stopped doing it? The fact is you would never know. If the government can learn to keep secrets again. Leaks are our true national security threat.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 10:01amThe United States government hanged Japanese soldiers for waterboarding US prisoners of war in World War II because the US deemed it torture.
Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage and death.[4] Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years
A brain-damaged suspect isn’t going to reveal much, huh? What’s wrong with truth serum?
I’m sure our soldiers received a “mild case of waterboarding” else I‘d be saying we shouldn’t do it to soldiers either.
Report Post »searching for the Truth
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 11:25amWhoever becomes President – would they please suggest assertively to bring back Civics to schools. But, find an older civics book as a pattern. Should I post this?
Report Post »nohussein
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 11:09amI wish they would water board the hussein, his true hatred of America would spill out for all to hear.
Report Post »nohussein
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 11:06amIf I was elected I would reinstate water boarding in a heartbeat.
Report Post »offsir13
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:23amIt’s funny how question of torture ntertwined with water boarding just another liberal media leading question. Yes we will water board it’s not torture. Americans understand the difference. Go Cain!
Report Post »lylejk
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:23amThis is why I 100% believe that only former soldiers should be allowed to run for any political office. Anybody else just don’t understand what our troops experience when put in harms way. I can care less about the mental (even physical) state of our enemies. They just better count their lucky stars that we were the ones that captured them. A little waterboarding or other applicable enhanced interrogation techniques is the price they pay for attacking our troops. Again, waterboarding is not torture. Breaking bones or pulling nails out arguable are. ‘Nough said. :)
Report Post »lifelinz
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:42amYou want torture? Torture is waking up every morning not having your loved ones anymore due to the Allah-mandated killing of infidels. If you or I do not convert to Islam – we are the enemy. I support water boarding and any other method of torture to extract information to save lives. I can assure you – if those who don’t support it – that the terriost will KILL YOU in a heartbeat given the chance.
Report Post »lylejk
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:24amCouldn’t have said it better Lifelinz. :)
Report Post »Paul Kersey
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:37amCompared to be-headings, water boarding is just a college fraternity prank..
Report Post »c0mm0nsense
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:31amThe War on Terror is just like the other wars that can never be won. War on Poverty, War on Drugs. Torture or NoT
Report Post »Discord
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:23amNo one seems to understand that torture is obsolete; it can get someone to tell you what you want to hear, but not necessarily the truth. It may take more innocent lives than it saves, while people who have truly done horrible things are allowed to go free.
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:36amHogwash.
Report Post »lylejk
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:20amAgain, tell that to the men and their families what Col. West did to save them after they were taken by these monsters. Sorry, but you don’t understand the gravity of the situation under these conditions. I know how it is to be put in a situation not knowing what will happen next and there is no convincing otherwise that if given the chance to use such tactics, indeed I would. Our troops trump any possible side effects to waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation tactics that may be used on our enemies. ‘Nough said. :)
Report Post »Discord
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 12:53pmIt’s really common sense though. If you torture someone, they will most likely say what the people torturing them expect to hear and withhold their actual story, because the lie will be the only way to avoid further torture.
Report Post »Live_Free_orDie
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:15amWaterboarding is not torture and saved AMERICAN LIVES!!!! Enough said you POS L i b t ur ds
Report Post »reconmarine
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:39amTrust me…it works great. They need to try it on Holder and Obama. We’ll never get those two to ever tell the truth otherwise.
Whatver works to save American lives. There is no compromise there.
Report Post »ilikai
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:31amAgree with Lylejk, and our troops get tortured anyways, don‘t fool yourselves that they don’t. Waterboarding is pyscops,
Report Post »Jack of Hearts
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:51am“Cain says he doesn’t support torture, but he says he would trust military leaders to determine what that means.” Yet another reason why he has no chance of ever being President.
Report Post »Vunks
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 2:59amTreat others the way you wish to be treated. I would never want one of our soldiers waterboarded.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:33amCain is a Federal Reserve agent, the financier of foreign wars when we are FLAT broke (except for the printing presses).
Bachmann is an unconstitutional Patriot Act supporter…the same “Patriot” Act that tramples ALL OVER MY RIGHTS.
She doesn’t give a crap about whether or not TORTURE is illegal. She supports a rights-trampling law that was arbitrarily created by warmongers based on a pretext they set for themselves by committing false-flag terror against their own populace. I’m not suprised she supports illegal torture.
Ron Paul 2012.
Waterboarding is torture.
Report Post »Raider1
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 6:40amOur soldiers have been waterboarded. Waterboarding IS torture. Waterboarding DOES work. Only 3 prisoners were subjected to it along with many U.S. soldiers as part of training. It goes against the geneva conventions which is why we should not do it, not because the enemy might do it to us. They behead among other things.
Report Post »jhaydeng
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:14amWhatever works!
Report Post »reconmarine
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:40amIf you really believe that to be true in the world of war and terrorism then you are delusional my friend,
Report Post »Chappy123
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:36amThey just get blown up or decapitated.
Report Post »lylejk
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 1:34am100% agree with this. Wake up folks. Waterboarding is not torture. Holding someone down and pulling out their nails is torture. Breaking their bones is torture. Waterboarding or slapping them around some is not torture and there is more then anecdotal evidence that it works. If I was potus, all new captures would be immediately waterboarded to see what they may confess. The longer a prisoner is held, the less pertinent the information they know is. Again, all those captured trying to fight us would be waterboarded. If no information comes of it, so be it, but this would tell nations that try to destroy us to take pause since any details that get divulge might end in their devise. Another prime example of this is what Col West had to do to get his men back. He got reprimanded for using what was deemed torture tactics, but dang-it if it didn’t work. Only really effective if done immediately so again, all these murderous jerks will get some form of enhanced interrogations if I was the potus. ‘Nough said.
Well, take that back. No prisoner captured on the battlefield will have any rights either outside that of the Geneva convention, but again, waterboarding is not torture. Those who feel that it is are idiots. :)
Report Post »jmiller_42
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 2:31amSo you agree to have our troops waterboarded if captured?
I say make it illegal and if it ever comes to the point where someone feels it is necessary enough to do it, they risk the consequences of paying for their crime. If it comes to be that their reasons were justified and actually get results, I’m sure the people will riot until the president pardons them. But to legalize torture with no consequences is such a horrible idea that I can not even start to defend it. It is just asking for others to treat our men the same.
Report Post »Doctor Nordo
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:56amApparently you have no clue what either the short or long term effects of waterboarding are. It can cause severe PTSD, and during the torture it is not uncommon for the victim to go into cardiac arrest or break bones while forcing against the restraints. Waterboarding is absolutely torture. If you don’t see that, then you’re really not even worth trying to reason with because you are obviously blind.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:20am@ lylejk – Waterboarding, like any other torture, does not work. A human being can only take so much pain before they either die, or they tell you what you WANT to hear (which is not always the truth).
Report Post »Peace
Danola
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 7:12amLYLEJK, Well said and I agree. It seems that the Paul supporters and the Democrats care more about not wanting to offend the enemy and the Geneva Conv. than they do about our national security and our soldiers safety. More than half of those Republican candidates at the debate last night would probably keep sending our troops to other countries to build more schools for the children instead of defending out safety. And then there are the Paul supporters that would just go hide under the bed and pretend the bad guy won’t come out of the closet as long as the door is closed.
Report Post »Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:45amJediPatriot
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 5:20am
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You don‘t know what you’re talking about. Enhansed interrogations for information has no relationship to actual torture for the purpose of a “confession”.
Report Post »Educate yourself, fool..the war is real. Kow-towing to the misunderstandings of brainwashed poofters is no way to win it.
Itchee Dryback
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 8:50amDoctor Nordo
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 3:56am
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What you’re engaging in is referred to as “begging the question”.
Report Post »Try again.
We are Americans
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 9:42amWe all talk about how our country has become
Report Post »morally flawed. How any Christian can support
tortue is beyond me. Bacmann and Cain really disappoints
me on their response. You can’t spout God told
you to run and then the next day support torture.
The Holy Spirit does not work that way. You can’t
have it both ways
lylejk
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:10amAgain, tell that to the men that Col. West saved after he used enhanced interrogation techniques on a captured enemy. I’m sorry, but these dogs cut folks heads off in front of cameras; I see no issue waterboarding or using other enhanced interrogation techniques to get info from these bastards. I care less about their mental state either; their jihad prooves that their brains a lost cause anyway. I’m sorry, but as long as they put our folk in harm’s way (they being our government), they better give us the ability to both defend and prevent idiots from attacking us. I‘m just glad my brother’s back from this area (he did 3 tours already). Here’s the deal, if you don’t want to get waterboarded, then don’t fight us. :)
Report Post »Excal
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:10amWell, when you are waterboarded for growing a garden, supporting Ron Paul, or exercising your religion, then we‘ll ask you again if it’s torture or not!
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on November 13, 2011 at 4:43pm@ Itchee Dryback – Usually the uneducated man calls another a lame, derogatory word. Good job on proving that one.
Report Post »Obviously the war is real, I’ve been there. I’ve done that.
The military and CIA interrogation instructors admit that torture does not work completely. Perhaps YOU need to educate yourself before trying to make others look… foolish.
Peace
apollo18
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 3:11am“DOCTOR NORDO” As I recall, there was an actual US military doctor present during any and all interrogation “events”. Your descriptions are absolutely false and hysterical fantasy. “not uncommon to go into cardiac arrest”? (I would call that DROWNING, “doctor”) “Broken bones”? Are you serious? If you haven’t been “waterboarded”, where are you getting your information from? You seem to be using the term simply to incite “panic in the ignorant”. Remember Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg? If waterboarding is “torture”, what is decapitation?
Report Post »apollo18
Posted on November 14, 2011 at 3:25amMurphy’s Rules of Combat #1:
- Combat troops don’t pass inspection.
- Inspection troops don’t pass combat.
Remember something: What Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather and Geraldo Rivera put on the tube while you and the family are sitting down to dinner AIN’T COMBAT, folks! Either see for yourself or ….
As a “wise” and seasoned “combat veteran” once said from the witness stand, “You can’t handle the truth!”
It‘s why the airline pilot doesn’t take a vote on how to fly the plane.
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