Calif. Atheists Successfully Nudge Out ‘Offensive’ Nativity Display
- Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:25am by
Billy Hallowell
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A photo from the nativity (Image Credit: Hunter Jameson)
Another day, another nativity scene drama. Atheists are mounting a full-out war on Christmas in Santa Monica, California — or so say those who support an annual, Christian-theme display.
For the first time in nearly six decades, there may be no “The Christmas Story” nativity scene in Santa Monica’s Palisades Park. Each year, a giant two-block long display offers visitors 14 nativity scenes that are presented in life-size form. But atheists, who are likely seeking to replace these images, are on the offensive.
This year, non-believers have reportedly vied for the open display spaces and, as a result, they have taken over much of the space that would be used for the nativity scene. The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee, which organizes the annual nativity scene, isn’t happy about what its members see as an attempt to co-opt Christmas. They’ve apparently been left with three, small spaces.
Image Credit: Santa Monica Nativity Scenes
“This has been a city tradition for nearly 60 years,” said Hunter Jameson, the committee’s chair. “These new groups applying for permits aren’t even Santa Monica residents, and they are just derogatory to organized religions.”
Jameson believes that these images come from one group of people and it is being reported that they include images of devils. According to The LookOut, he has prepared a response:
Jameson…is not giving up so easily. He feels that City rules have been manipulated to prevent “a month long, time-honored tradition supported by 14 Santa Monica-based organizations representing thousands of local residents.”
He has organized a nonprofit group called Santa Monica Nativity Scenes and formed a campaign drive to “Save Our Nativity Scenes,” urging like-minded residents to petition City Council members and the city manager’s office to allocate adequate space for all 14 Nativity scenes in the park next year.
One man, a Hollywood prop maker named Damon Vix, who applied for a permit last year out of frustation at the “offensive Nativity display,” is displaying an alleged Thomas Jefferson quote this year — “religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”
Vix's anti-Christmas sign (Image Credit: Santa Monica Daily Press / Brandon Wise)
The Santa Monica Daily Press wrote the following about Vix’s 2010 display, which has apparently emboldened other non-believers to join him this year in trying to boot the nativity scene out:
The Hollywood prop maker is the man behind a display that can be found just south of the nativity scenes that features quotes from the founding fathers about the importance of the separation of church and state. A quote from President Thomas Jefferson is by far the most visible. It reads: “Religions are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.” On the back of the display there’s another sign that says: “Happy Solstice,” in recognition of the winter solstice on Dec. 21.
Vix is on a mission. The atheist (who is apparently also an ordained minister) is against promoting religion on public property, so he’s setting out to cause a bit of chaos this year.
“There is a growing secular community in this country that has kept quiet for too long. If they want to display Nativity scenes on church property, that’s fine,” he said. ”I don’t have a problem with Christmas, if it’s Santa Claus and elves, but there are a lot of people who live in Santa Monica who are not Christians.”
Image Credit: Santa Monica Nativity Scenes
This year, more than a dozen permits were submitted for space in the park, so the city has put together a lottery system to allocate them — which means, they were selected at random. This, of course, means that the nativity scene won’t get the space it has traditionally had. With atheists competing for the space, it means that there’s less to be allocated for the massive Christian display.
The city cannot designate space for or against a display based on its content, so a random selection is the only way the city can legally go. ”Though the City can designate particular space… for winter displays and prohibit displays in other park space, it cannot favor one speaker or message over another,” City Attorney Marsha Moutrie explained.
Vix, who doesn’t believe that faith displays belong on public land, thinks that the nativity scene discriminates against non-Christians. In his world, he’s doing a public service. In the eyes’ of others, he’s hampering their right to celebrate the holiday season.
Yesterday, the Blaze also reported on atheists who are demanding that a nativity scene be taken down in Texas. The purported War on Christmas rages on.
(H/T: The LookOut News)
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carl_in_ohio
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:15amits a shame that a few people (through legal means) can direct the actions of many.
why should atheists be so concerned about a nativity scene?
Are people going to line up to see this “supposed” quote by Thomas Jefferson? its all caged and quite uninspiring nor friendly.
This type of action just pushes the Church away from the people who need it most. Maybe the Church should just “occupy” the park. Follow the lead of the Occupy movement and claim imminent domain.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:23amDon’t blame the Atheists, but blame yourself. It’s all you people who love the way money, power, and science have enabled everyone to live a much longer cushy life which increases population and draws more spirits out of the lowest levels of the well. They are your creation by the mechanism that you worship.
Stuck_in_CA
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:24amOur God is an omnipotent God…and He IS keeping score.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:30am“Follow the lead of the Occupy movement and claim imminent domain.”
Eminent Domain? Pretty sure only the government can do that.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:37amYep, and God Almighty is watching 99.9 percent of people saying “I believe in God” yet God to those people is a just a word, and their lips say “God” but their understanding is “Baal.”
Report Post »momsense
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:38amCheered on by our criminal in chief.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:45amEliasim – You honestly don’t even make sense. You lump every Christian and whatever together like you really understand the mind and heart of God and Christians. Do you enjoy coming on this site just to say stupid things and annoy people. How sad. This is all very sad. Christmas is a time of joy in the birth of our Savior and praying for peace on earth. If you don’t believe, then don’t believe, but for Heaven’s Sake, leave those that do alone. Who wins in the end?
Report Post »caleejr
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:45amAtheists should not celebrate Christmas then – if they are so offended. After all – Christmas=the birth of Christ. I’ve yet to see ONE atheist protest Kwanza, or the celebration of the ‘winter solstice’ …Why celebrate the holiday if you’re so against the reason it exists?
Report Post »txn4justice
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:01amWhaqt a bunch of punks. That Nativity Scene was just sooooooooooooooo offensive!
I hope tall the atheists get cancer and die a slow painful death.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:10amNHwinter,
Report Post »Yes, you are correct, I do. That’s why Revelation says 12,000 from each of the tribes which is 144,000 out of billions and billions.
Eliasim
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:14amAnd the billions will be parted three ways: the Kingdom, the earth, and the pit.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:19amI can’t help but wonder if these “offended” behaviors are main stream atheists speaking or if it’s just a few? It doesn’t seem possible that ALL atheists are getting their skivvies tied in knots over such trivia.
However, if not believing in God means atheists are unable to function without the approval of the masses = No Thanks! If atheists are intimidated by a simple Nativity Scene; how can they even get up in the mornings and face the issues that the every day living of life brings to each of us?
From what we’re seeing of atheists these days, it‘s obvious that atheists aren’t the heroes running into burning buildings, etc, to help their fellow man. Atheists would be those timorous, scaredy-cat, whiney, do-nothings who don’t want to get involved and are running away.
If atheists are being wrongly represented by a few, one would hope that main-stream atheists would step up and tell that “few” to Shut-Up and Sit-Down! Otherwise, atheists aren’t looking too good out there!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:28am“If atheists are intimidated by a simple Nativity Scene…”
Not to speak for this man or atheists (as I’m not one), but I‘d wager it’s not intimidation but rather frustration at what they see as tacit promotion of a specific religion over all others, contrary to the law of the land (specifically: Supreme Court rulings on the establishment clause and Nativity displays on government property and land).
In this case, I think the guy goes overboard, but the town is following the rulings of the courts. Nativity scenes on government-owned land are fine, as long as other displays also have an equal chance to participate. What has previously been a Christian-only display is now open to anyone, and it just so happens that Christians didn’t apply for permits as soon or in as great of numbers as non-Christians.
There are still going to be several Nativity scenes.
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:44am@eliasum
Believe in God………..OR…….Believe God…..both are quite different.
Report Post »Biddle
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:50amEliasim…you are right….Isaiah writes of those who “honor God with their lips, but their hearts are FAR from Him.” It is very true. The piety of many makes the Christian life very distasteful to many others! Trust that when Christ said “enter by the narrow gate, for there are FEW who find it.” Those who find it are poor in spirit (humble!), knowing that by GRACE ALONE they are saved. Even our best works are “filthy rags” in the sight of God. People quote it often, but have no idea what it really means. The piety of the religious hides the real Christ…and Im daily working thru that to follow Him. Bless you man.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:02amNo room at the Inn and no room on earth! There also is no room for a nation that was founded by God…the nation of Israel. The truth of Jesus and of God cannot be allowed to exist on this sorry planet. Pretty soon they will be seeing a world with God removed from it through his people. It will be utter terror for those Left Behind. Get ready by getting to know God today! Its free of charge.
Report Post »EddardStark
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:09am@ NHWinter – It seems that your wish to be just alone is what the Atheists are asking. Their tactics are provocative, but all they are pointing out is that a special interest group is using public space to push a exclusive religious message. If you believe, then believe, but leave everyone else alone.
Report Post »Bakko Bomma
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:13amThat Jesus sure was big for a newborn and all that hair too.
Report Post »timej31
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:19amNo more benefit to being in the majority. The minority has played their hand too many times. It’s old now. Time to rid this society of judges, politicians and other groups that allow this to continue.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:27amEliasim – Pride goes before the fall. Only God knows the hearts of man. You are arrogrant. The Lord loves the humble. The meek shall inherit the earth. His tender mercies extend to all of us who call upon His name.
Report Post »PAPPY72
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:18pm@Eliasim – When you say “…which increases population and draws more spirits out of the lowest levels of the well. They are your creation by the mechanism that you worship.”….where do you get this information from? Is there a scriptural source or are you being inspired to make these statements?
Report Post »123456beatriz
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:22pmHey! that I know those miserable “Atheists” are LIBERALS! so. You americans voted for these guys, so.
Report Post »Liberals=Marxists=selfish, do not consider the Faith of the people. So next time again vote for Obama AGAIN and AGAIN.
LibertarianForLife
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:31pmThats because its a republic you fool, try reading the constitution. Its not just the atheists, its everyone that does not have the same imaginary friend that you do. You and your religion are trash, and we are tired of it being in the public square.
Report Post »dwilco77
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:31pmIt’s perfectly understandable. When atheists come across these nativity scenes, or accidentally see a cross, many of them have been observed to lose control of their functions. Urinary incontinence is a frequent occurrence, and can have devastating effects on their social standing. You need to have understanding that they are not able, like most human beings, to avert their eyes from something in which they should have no interest. Compassion for their pitiful plight should be undertaken because of the weakness in their constitution.
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:38pmUSA Once our founding religion is taken out of society and replaced by another frame of religion by Islam or Atheist (Yes they have a religion it’s called not believing) then America as we know it will be doomed. AMERICANS it is time to stand up for your rights! It must be done or the values of man and the rights of our beliefs will be stripped from our very feet beneath us. THEY ARE BEING STRIPPED! There was a reason that there were crusades in the past. Reasons why Catholics fought for their rights with blood and tears. Church has made you soft. It is time to unite as one and take back America for the values of which GOD stands for,. If I need to say anymore than you will never understand.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:45pm@ Locked
If you will read thru the various “offended atheists” articles, you will find that it’s not about “frustration.‘ Whether it’s a few or all of the atheists speaking out; atheists are claiming feelings of intimidation and exclusion when viewing any evidence of Christmas being celebrated.
The thing is, “frustration” shouldn’t even apply. Why should atheists care how Christmas is celebrated? By their own choice, Christmas doesn’t apply to them! By atheists taking offense at Christmas celebrations, they are revealing how weak they and their beliefs are.
Atheists Don’t Have The Strength Of Their Convictions To Be Able To Function Without Mass Approval!
The public face atheists are presenting = how anemic and spineless and needy they are, is really a good look at how life without God is. Atheists, by their own behaviors, are causing those who may be on the fence to better research the existence of God. Because — who wants to go thru life so easily intimidated and scared all the time? I Certainly Don’t! Thank You Jesus!
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:47pmYo Eliasim:
You have been asked direct questions… that being to provide scripture to confirm the truth of your own words. If you cannot do this you might want to hold your “tougne” and do some more reading.
There is NO dividing into THREE… clearly the bible states that one is for or against God… this equals TWO groups of people… please provide biblical PROOF of 3.
ALSO – PLEASE stop acting like you are the only saved person on The Blaze, or the planet for that matter… it is really unbecomming…..peace
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:51pmYo Texashunter:
Report Post »Could you please provide the name of the author of that book… appreciate it.
4truth2all
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:57pmYou can take CHRIST off the LAWN,
Report Post »but you CAN”T take him out of MY HEART….
EVEN if you cut it out !!!
TexasHunter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:09pm4TRUTH
Report Post »http://www.amazon.com/Hunting-God-Fishing-Lord-Encountering/dp/1592762174
If there is a way to do this I would like to buy it for you for a Christmas Present.
Trebuchet
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:17pmI’m not sure Jefferson is a good pick for the atheist to quote. He was an admirer of Adam Weisthaupt and the Illuninati and he supported Robespierres bloody terror in France, turning a blind eye to the genocide committed against the Catholics in the Vendee where some 400,000 died resisting the atheisim of the Jacobins. Jeffersons response was that he would rather see half the earth in desolation than see the revolution fail. It appears Jefferson may have been blinded by his predjudices and perhaps this is why the athiest continually quote him.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:20pm@Thegrassroots
“Why should atheists care how Christmas is celebrated? By their own choice, Christmas doesn’t apply to them! ”
Some are without a doubt just anti-Christian. However, most atheists I know (technically agnostic atheists) point out that the law works a certain way and there have been cases addressing the exact issue of Nativity scenes on government-owned land and property. They have no problem with Christmas or Christians, but they do have issues with Christianity being the only religion allowed a public venue and tacit endorsement by the government. The courts have agreed; hence why now this town is allowing other views a chance to share as well.
Report Post »frankie60
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:36pmwhy are atheists so terrified of seeing or hearing something religious? Are they afraid they might change their minds? These people that try to change holiday traditions either want their 15 minutes of fame or they are shaking in their boots that they are wrong. We’ll leave you alone, you leave us alone and we’ll get along much better. If you don’t want to see the displays, don’t go there. It only lasts for a few weeks.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:36pmCalifornia is a lost cause. Just waiting for the big quake so the Pacific can claim it.
Report Post »pavepaws
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:42pmNice looking park. Shows up on TV shows alot.The park is 1.5 miles long. Might have room for all. Since Santa Monica is a liberal haven it is amazing the Nativity scenes lasted this long.
Report Post »jacques.daspy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:44pmI really don’t understand the problem when the solution is so readily available. The public official are elected by the people of Santa Monica. Public officials are always subject to knee jerk reactions and never think about who put them where for what. If the officials are not representing the will of the majority, buy a new part and install it, at least until if malfunctions. People in this country have got to learn how to fix broken stuff.
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:53pm@ LOCKED- Your view is very misconstruing. First and foremost Christmas has been a ritual that has been celebrated for centuries. There is nothing wrong with celebrating God and Jesus in public or within 4 walls. When muslims prey in the park on their rugs do you here Cathoilics making a scream or outrage? Sht for that matter do you hear Atheist crying about it? Why is it just God that frightens them so much but others are okay? Others express their beliefs EVERYDAY just because we don‘t make it their own personal holiday in AMERICA doesn’t give them a right to take away our founding fathers beliefs.
Report Post »Mohammed Is A Lie
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:03pmWhat if I don’t believe in Santa? Would all the stores and businesses and schools and houses take down their decor for me???!!
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:26pmIt’s in *Santa* Monica. :P
Report Post »just thinking again
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:26pmTo me, it looks like the First Amendment is winning on this one..
Report Post »Ohello
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:28pmThe problem is that people who have a religion that professes “No God” are imposing their religion on our government and on the majority of people in this country. Atheism is a religion, Secularism is an ideology with requires atheism as a religion. Islamism is an ideology and a religion all rolled into one and subversive to our Constitution and our Government. Communism, Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism, Lesbianism, Gay-ism are all ideologies and subversive to all that is good in the world.
Report Post »Capitalism is an economic system, Crony Capitalism is also a subversive ideology professed by Democrats, Obama-ism, Black Liberational-ism, Marxism in order to subvert this country.
Freedom and individual responsibility, and a Republic defined by the Constitution founded on economic freedom in which the government’s sole responsibility is to protect the freedoms of the people and on the authority of the people is the only government in the history of mankind that is and was so formed with that purpose. It depends on God and His definition of right and wrong and good and evil. All governments conceived by man that do not follow God’s principles and His definitions are suppressive, corrupt, and evil. Thus, we end up with Crony-Capitalism and Chicago corruption at the national level.
Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:44pm@Texas_hunter
“Your view is very misconstruing.”
Please explain how, as I’m not sure what you mean here. The Supreme Court has ruled that allowing only Nativity displays on government property is contrary to the establishment clause; however, opening up the area to other views as well means Nativity displays can also be displayed. I’m not sure what you consider “misconstruing” here.
“There is nothing wrong with celebrating God and Jesus in public or within 4 walls. When muslims prey in the park on their rugs do you here Cathoilics making a scream or outrage?”
I agree, there is nothing “wrong” nor illegal with celebrating God and Jesus in public. Nor is there anything wrong with a Muslim praying in a park. Praying is a protected right. The government allowing only one religious view to set up displays on their property goes far outside that right in the eyes of the courts.
Report Post »ITookTheRedPill
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:46pmIf I “establish” a restaurant that is totally different than if I “endorse” a restaurant.
If I “establish” a restaurant, I create it, I own it, and I operate it.
If I “endorse” a restaurant, I am just a customer who likes it enough to tell someone else about it.
The first Amendment prevents Congress from making any law respecting an “establishment” of religion. Our Government is not allowed to create, own, or operate a religion (as was previously done by the Government in England with the Church of England).
The first Amendment does NOT prevent Congress from making any law respecting an “endorsement” of religion. Our Congress “endorsed” Christianity from the moment of the opening prayer at the very first session of Congress.
Report Post »hayesstephen
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:47pmEliasm, When I read suck as you wrote, I always like to give a small piece of advise. Please do not pick up your pipe before reading, writing, to posts. People who do not, or are not High have no idea what the heck you are ranting about. I’ sure when straight you make much more sense. Give it a try for a day or two, see how you like being wide eyed, busshy tailed and not on dope. You might enjoy it?
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:50pm@ JLGUNNER I have been saying that from day one. I think the pee drips down from the “stars” and the other people drink it brainwashing them for eternity. California I know you have sane people there. Why did you let your state go to the peeons?
Report Post »tirelesspatriot
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:56pmWow, the mere sight of Jesus’ birth scene causes atheists to go into convulsions. Are these atheists WEAK-minded or what??
BTW, there’s no such thing as a true atheist. Only a dead person doesn’t worship something(s) or someone, even if it’s his/her own self. No exceptions.
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:04pm@ LOCKED, You answered your own question to me.
I agree, there is nothing “wrong” nor illegal with celebrating God and Jesus in public. Nor is there anything wrong with a Muslim praying in a park. Praying is a protected right. The government allowing only one religious view to set up displays on their property goes far outside that right in the eyes of the courts.
So the display of Muslims in a public place having their own ceremony in the public eye is okay then? But we can not display a baby in a crib and men and women gathered around to see him? What is offensive about that? Pretty sure if you have had any children there was family and friends gathered around when yours when first born. Do you celebrate that birthday every year? But because he lives in our hearts and souls but not in physical form that is problem that they have? I am trying to grasp all this..
Report Post »Lotus4115
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:11pmBeckTards go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg&list=PLA0C3C1D163BE880A&index=19&feature=plpp_video
The holiday season is Pagan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1Grl4HSRU&feature=related
All just Myth. That said, who cares, Marry Christmas!!!!!
Report Post »Doris
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:18pmWhen did Minority rules start? Why not take it to the people in town and vote on it. We have a nice Nativity scene in front of our courthouse and I would be very upset if they took it down. I dont care what other people worship or not worship but leave my faith alone. I say they should vote.
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:27pmWOW LOTUS, Lets get all of our facts off YouTube and believe it to be true. I was hoping this was a joke but by your simplistic opening I truly believe this is how you live your life. Here LOTUS “the world is coming to an end, please go crawl back in your hole and you will be safe” You read it on the internet so pack a bag for good measures.
Report Post »Believe It
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:33pmSure sounds like you’re talking about Athiests there, Eliasim… those who worship “the mechanism”, who don’t know or have a loving relationship with God himself…
the “you people” you speak of certainly aren’t we, Christian, people, by your very own description… if they don’t know, don’t worship, don’t have a relationship with the creator of heaven and earth and designer of man and the angels, then who are they but Athiests and those who know not our Christian God…?
Report Post »RaptorEP
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:07pmIf you wish to believe that, but don’t stomp on my right to free speech and freedom of religion, Which is what those atheists are doing to Santa Monica.
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:24pm@ Locked
Very interesting! However, it doesn’t address why atheists even care about how or where Christmas / Christianity is being celebrated.
1] Via their own God-Given free will, atheists choose to deny the existence of God.
2] In doing so, atheists are removing themselves from Christmas & Christianity.
3] Therefore, atheists have forfeited any & all reasons to be offended by God & His Son, Jesus [Who is the reason for Christmas], & the Christians who celebrate Christmas.
4] Christmas & Christians shouldn‘t even be on an atheist’s radar.
ie: I don’t really like auto-racing! My kids do! Race days are days of special snacks & meals & rituals such as standing up & yelling, all celebrated in front of the TV with their friends. If I’m there on a race day, I will enjoy the snacks & the meals & watching them having so much fun. I WON’T demand any special attention, because auto-racing’s not my thing. If, in my mind, it’s just going on much too long — I’ll Read A Book!
If my kids are here on a race day, their friends are welcome to come with them & enjoy watching the races on my TV, along with all the yelling & standing up! I’ll even provide the snacks & meals!
Race Days are their days! Days they love to celebrate! NO WAY would I say or do anything to hamper their fun, just because auto-racing’s not my thing.
There‘s no rhyme or reason for the atheists’ NEED to whine “foul” when Christians celebrate Christmas!
Report Post »Mountain Mama Martha
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:32pm@Eliasim…Say what? I think your brain has absorbed entirely too much of the Obama koolaid or you’ve been puffing the pot too much. Maybe both?
Report Post »IfTruthBeKnown
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:54pmI like that idea! I‘m not a Christian but I’ll go, too! I enjoy Christmas and the nativity scene holds no offense for me at all. ….never has, either.
Report Post »Linda2955
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:13pmAtheists have no religion.So whats their beef? Eliasim–if you dont like it here go elsewhere. Your speech in one of the countries you so admire would get you in jail for life
Report Post »rr45
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:26pmIt’s interesting that an atheist is trying to quote Thomas Jefferson to prove the Nativity scene discriminates. I’m not sure I see how it is discriminating unless the other factions are not allowed equal space and the article seems to indicate that is what is happening. but what is really interesting is that Thomas Jefferson (despite being an atheist) thought very strongly that Christianity should be taught in our public schools!!
Report Post »Iron Kurtain
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:56pmThe Ironic: Atheism IS a religion. It is the belief in nothing. The word belief constitutes a religious following. There are also multiple followers. If they are true in trying to “separate church from state;” they themselves must understand they too are pushing an agenda. This movement has been a sham from the beginning, and like all other religions: Most atheist groups are non- profit (like churches and other places of worship) they also except donations for their cause “beliefs.” I want to start a movement against these apparently uneducated, constitutional biggots; to make sure they cannot have the homefield advantage in america. We should be smarter than this and take this for what it is, an agenda driven organization with similar ideals to any other organized religion. Afterall, they are just as organized and profitable as any other.
Report Post »mean_conservative_teacher
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:32pmHuman Nativity time. Occupy Christmas. We are the 83%!
Report Post »wesinwauk
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:48pmIt would be a great idea to “occupy” the park in front of the new displays with a living nativity. Organizing the Christian community to show how important the nativity is to their celebration of the Christmas holiday would go further than trying to take legal means to try and squirt around what the atheists have done.
Report Post »SWING HARD
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:54pm@ Eliasm
Report Post »You can return to your occupy bowel movement now.
Ankomst
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:42pmI’m going to be honest here, that even as an Atheist myself, this kind of behavior ****** me off. I have a right to believe what I want (or not believe, I suppose), but so does everyone else. If someone wants to put up a nativity scene that’s been there every year for more than half a century, fine by me. Who the Hell am I to say they can’t display their faith in such a manner? It’s not offensive at all. What I do find offensive is a bunch of Atheists behaving like children and being offended by anything that has to do with religion, which in turn makes me look bad. People hear I’m an Atheist and go, “Oh, you must hate Christmas!” … No. No, I don’t.
Grow up. Get over yourselves. Admit that people don’t believe the same way you do. If you don’t like it, DON’T LOOK AT IT. Take a different fricking route. Who are YOU to be shoving YOUR beliefs into someone else’s face? Talk about hypocrisy… Whine about a nativity scene, and then do the very thing you’re complaining about. Yeah, that helps your argument. Geniuses. And you only whine around the holidays. At least be consistent.
Let me just assure readers right now, not all Atheists are like this. As stated above, I detest this kind of obstructive behavior when it comes to religion. Live and let live I say, as long as nobody is being physically harmed in the process.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:55pmIt’s a shameful statement that Americans have to genuflect to these demands while NO ONE accepts the culture that is American, which includes these celebrations.
IMHBLO, that IS NOT American. It “IS” communist.
Report Post »Cosmos102
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 12:26amEliasim believes that every man who observes Christmas should be boiled in his own pudding and buried with a stake of holly through his heart.
Report Post »Hossua
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 12:34pmThese Atheist hit pieces are a load of BS.
First off, what RIGHT do you have to get the space for your Christmas display over any other religious display? From this story the space is given out by lottery, so who is forcing their views on who?
You guys want religious freedom as long as that means no one else can display their religion in the public sphere. When any other religious group tries to get their message in a public space they are “attacking Christianity”. So hypocritical I don’t even know where to start.
Report Post »komraderykills
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 1:51pmWhat really ****** me off is that everyone who protests against any type of “Christmas” display has no problem being paid for a Christmas holiday. Ask an Atheist to work that day and watch them cry foul!
Report Post »pebbles
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 3:27pmYup, I agree. When are Christians going to stand up and be heard. By remaining quiet, you are as much as saying you don’t care that non-believers are “calling the shots”. They and their frivolous law suits are a waist of the courts‘ time and the taxpayer’s money. It also is a loud declaration that they (Christians) really don’t care. Remember, Christ said, “Deny me before man and I will deny you before our Father”. I have a question: Why do the athiests attack just Christians? Why don’t they attack other religious holidays as well. Could it be that they are afraid of them???????
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 6:13pmWell, if they are not fighting hard enough to keep it. That also means not quitting if they lose a round. Of course, also since it was proven that Jesus was born around the last week in September. That the only reason that “Christmas” is celebrated on Dec. 25th is because Constantine when he merged the new Christian religion with his sun god worship religion, Dec. 25th was one of the sun worships highest holy days. In the sun god worship, they believe that the sun god dies around Dec 22-23 and then is reborn on Dec. 25th which is the winter solstice. Just like the “Christmas tree” is from the Bible but as a command NOT TO DO! The Bible talks about having a tree adorned with silver and gold “presents” under the tree and TELLING us not to do that because that is what the pagan worshipers did. They would adorn the tree with silver and gold and then slaughter babies under it as a sacrifice to their pagan gods. If others want to “do” Christmas then that is their choice. We each have to answer about what we do to God when we face Him. I am willing to bet that many people are going to be shocked when He doesn’t care about our intent since He is very specific about that it is each one of our own responsibilities to learn and KNOW what His Word is. That is also why He said: “For the lack of knowledge, “my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” Hosea 4:6. I only try to live my life the way that I believe that God wants me to and I let others do what the
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 6:54pmThings that offend this non believer
Report Post »Bad service in restaurants
credit card fees
bad drivers
rude teenagers
Atheists who give christians a hard time but stick up for muslims
Nativity scenes…..Not so much
thegrassroots
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 2:48amIt’s nice to know there are some atheists who have common sense. Thank you for speaking up!
It‘s too bad that the knuckleheads are the only atheists we’re hearing from and about.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 1:20pmYo Texashunter:
Report Post »Been busy… checked out the links… read the reviews… probably could write my own book. I am not a beginner in my faith or hangin in the outdoors and am a director of an after school youth program for teens. Having said that and not wanting to sound arrogant if you still believe it’s a fit I will accept your judgement and kindness. If you respond to my reply I can provide my e-mail address,… blessings
4truth2all
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 1:41pmYo Survivorseed:
There will be no bad restraunts or bad service from people unkind,
no credit cards of unfair fees,
no bad drivers, or accidents from people that seem blind.
No rude teenagers… this seems a miracle I know,
all their kind will have to go.
No unbelievers or other gods allowed.
or those that Jesus, they have dis-avowed!
I say this in fun and being very serious…. NO judgement or condemnation.
You might want to consider the weight and ” truth‘ of you’re own words!
As far as the baby part and the “Lamb”…Jesus already did that… He is comming back as the “Lion of Judah”, King of Kings.. Lord of ALL
I appreciate your comments.. have some sense to them… I also hold out hope… to you…. enjoy the Holidays.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on December 11, 2011 at 5:28pmI don’t consider myself atheist. Atheists practice not believing in god which I find just as hypocritical as practicing faith. I just try to be a good person and live my life. Leave me alone and I will do the same to you.
Report Post »tirelesspatriot
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 4:24pmSurvivorseed: You said, “Atheists practice not believing in god which I find just as hypocritical as practicing faith. I just try to be a good person and live my life. Leave me alone and I will do the same to you.”
Unless I’m misconstruing your intended statement, you‘re calling one’s choice to practice faith hypocritical. If this is indeed what you meant, then you are not leaving others alone as you state. You are judging the motives of their heart, something only a supreme being like God can do. He’s the only judge; all others are highly subject to error.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on December 13, 2011 at 1:12amWhat I‘m saying is I’m not about to tell someone they can’t pray. I don’t refuse to go to weddings and funerals because there held in a church. I don’t want to change the term Christmas or easter to something more PC. I don’t even have a problem with my son being taught scripture even though he goes to a public school. I wonder how many christians are as tolerant. If someone needs a higher power to make them feel better, good for them but don’t judge me because I think differently.
Report Post »BUT I’m still allowed to have an opinion and express it freely whether I believe in god or not.
I was always taught that actions speak louder than words and I think a great number of so called christians (especially on this site) could do well to live by that phrase as well. Quoting a bible passage does not a christian make.
tirelesspatriot
Posted on December 18, 2011 at 3:41pmSurvivorseed: I get your point. No one wants to be judged based on his/her opinions. This also includes Christians. There are bad apples in every single group…..and there are also Christian haters on here posting as Christians for the sole purpose of making Christians look bad. Plus, you have the anti-Christian mainstream media making sure to headline every negative news about Christians (whether true or not), while completely ignoring all the wonderful, kind and charitable things Christians here and around word do every single day. Have a GREAT Christmas!!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:13am“The city cannot designate space for or against a display based on its content, so a random selection is the only way the city can legally go.”
Report Post »Diomasach
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:12amOr they could put it to a vote.
Report Post »Or “first come first served.”
Or they could just grow a pair and give them to whomever they want.
Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:38amOr they could put it to a vote. – Doesn’t supersede court rulings
Report Post »Or “first come first served.” – True. In this case, it would likely still have non-religious displays though
Or they could just grow a pair and give them to whomever they want. – Illegal
kjunme
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 11:44amEveryybody has a right to their appinion but when it starts getting in the way of us practicing our faith then I say it is war. Burn him out of town.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:12amIt is time we as Christians stop this and reverse it. Yes, we must and should do it in the Christian way, but we need to fight back and stand up for our rights as well. Problem is, I feel this is all in Prophesy and maybe it won’t get reversed. Just remember we were warned and told by Christ himself this would happen near the time of his return.
We may not know the day or hour, but he did say to watch and know the signs, and Boy! are the signs here, right here and now.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:35am“It is time we as Christians stop this and reverse it.”
How would you propose doing so? I can think of only two ways: petitioning for an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, or bringing a case to the Supreme Court that differentiates in some way from Allegheny v ACLU (1989), which says Nativity-only displays are not allowed; or Lynch v Donnelly (1984), which said Nativity displays are allowed, provided other beliefs can be expressed as well. I’m not sure that there is a significant enough difference from those two cases; the town seems to be following Lynch v Donnelly exactly.
Report Post »momrules
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:56amNewlife56…………And who hates Jesus Christ the most? Satan, that’s who.
I agree that the prophecies are being fulfilled at an alarming rate and the attacks on Christianity are stepping up. Atheists are not protecting themselves, the Constitution or others who are not Christian. They are doing the work of the Father of Lies, Satan himself.
Expect more Anti Christian and anti Jew hate. It is spreading like wildfire.
Report Post »Bakko Bomma
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:11amWith the rising costs of utilities it’s cheaper to hire real Jews to stand in the yard with flashlights.
Report Post »aLinedog
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:10pmProphesy! We are on the downhill stride now, folks. He is coming, with power and a host of hosts.
Report Post »I do worry for my own soul sometimes as -in a decidedly un-Christian manner- I often look forward to their (the Haters of Christians) finally learning the truth. Then I feel awful for that result requires that they spend all eternity separated from our Lord, ergo, they are in hell and I am feeling pleased over it. Since I feel no such remorse for every suicide bomber or mass murderer, I am not penitent -a very disturbing line of thought. Still, I’d rather be one that he must disavow, than accept that he isn’t real.
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SimpleTruths
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:46pmYeah yeah yeah…you guys have been saying the ‘signs’ are appearing for literally hundreds of years. Any day now…any day now. The joke is on you, nobody is coming, it’s a freaking STORY.
Report Post »Lotus4115
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:26pmBeckTards listen!!
Christians have always tried to reverse the process, the process being knowledge. Through science and the scientific method we know that the story of Jesus is myth. You will have to suppress the findings in Archeology, Anthropology, Astronomy, Biology, and on and on. You can stand alongside your Islamic brothers and try to turn back the clock of history. Good luck with that.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U1Grl4HSRU&feature=related
Doris
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:30pmIf it prophesy does that mean we have to cave?I think its disgusting that a few people who dont believe can just say no to Christmas.Instead of first come first served they should vote each year.Everywhere they are doing this. I would like to know if atheists get presents/ Also how can you be an ordained minister if you are an atheist?
Report Post »tirelesspatriot
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:27pmSimpletruths & Lotus: What fantasy world are you living in? Even secular historians believe that Jesus existed. The same methods they used to validate his existence are the exact same ones they used to validate everyone else’s. Therefore, if you question his existence, you would have to question the existence of every single historical person – famous or not.
Simpletruths: You obviously know nothing about end-time prophecy. There are prophecies that need to be fulfilled before Jesus returns. Many have been fulfilled in recent years (i.e. creation of Israel as a nation), and many in recent weeks and months (i.e. alliance of Muslim nations).
Lotus: I see that science is your personal god. So, tell me, among other things, how did medical science screw up all those pharmaceutical drugs so badly? Hardly a day goes by that we aren’t being told that YET another one is adverse, even lethal to one’s health – all this after being told that they were created to promote good health. We won‘t even talk about all the medical procedures that we recently found out weren’t even required, yet so many patients were advised to have them (i.e. angioplasties, hysterectomies, etc.). Hmmmm….do I smell the lure of something called – MONEY?? Darn! I thought only preachers were into that! (*eye roll*)
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:11am.
We need to Successfully Nudge Out ‘Offensive Atheists ’………………
Report Post »edcoil
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:16amTyranny by the minority.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:46am….with sledge hammers.
Report Post »Bakko Bomma
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:14amBeat infidels with sledgehammers! That’s WWJD!
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:53pmThe next time I hear some unbeliever rage on about Christians trying to force their religion on everybody else– I will remind them of the unconstitutional and extreme animus of the enemy of our US Constitution
Report Post »and way of life -and their successes lately of making America over in the Image of the failed Soviet Communist system of State controlled atheism.
Tri-ox
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:09am✝ The anti-Christian domestic-terrorists (aka obama supporters) strike again! Sorry, losers, but the United States is a Christian nation, and will remain so. ✝
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:12pmThis is not a Christian nation.
““And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.” —Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823 “
Report Post »dolphin143
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:42pmContext is everything. Maybe you can read the entire Jefferson letter at “http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_adams.html” and see if your reply holds true.
Report Post »no_more_harkin
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:34pmI’ll do everyone a favor who is as ignorant as me – including This_Individual. The next sentence in Jefferson’s letter is as follows: “But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors.”
Report Post »Jefferson, if not Christian, was certainly a supporter of Christian theology in the most pure sense.
maccow
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:08pm@THIS_INDIVIDUAL
You should thank DOLPHIN143 for presenting you with Jefferson’s entire letter to John Adams where your quote comes from. This is just one of hundreds of correspondences these two gentlemen shared over a fifty year friendship on hundreds of topics many having nothing to due with the founding of this country. This is obviously one of those letters as the topic they are discussing is their views on Calvinism and the trinity. In context, it is absolutely clear to any mind free of pre-conceived agendas that the quote you sited has nothing to do with Jefferson’s view towards God’s role in the founding of this country. (Unless our country was founded on Calvinism or Amillennialism in which case Jefferson’s quote may apply)
So either someone lied to you and made you believe that this quote supports some view that Jefferson favored a secular society, which this quote absolutely does not support. Or you are the one doing the purposeful lying in order to fool others.
Which is it? If the former then please do the honest thing and check original sources. (I have heard someone say “Truth has no agenda”)If the latter, then I rebuke the father of lies who is at work in you to deceive even the elect if that were possible.
God bless.
Report Post »We should all join with the 100% who call themselves Americans/We The People.
Trebuchet
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:28pmI’m not sure Jefferson is a good pick for the atheist to quote. He was an admirer of Adam Weisthaupt and the Illuninati and he supported Robespierres bloody terror in France, turning a blind eye to the genocide committed against the Catholics in the Vendee where some 400,000 died resisting the atheisim of the Jacobins. Jeffersons response was that he would rather see half the earth in desolation than see the revolution fail. It appears Jefferson may have been blinded by his predjudices and perhaps this is why the athiest continually quote him.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:31pmEven though you folks don’t know me (or perhaps even care to), being that my integrity is all that I have left, I would like to thank DOLPHIN for posting the entire letter From Jefferson to Adams. And admit that what I was insinuating was wrong. Being a person who is weary of anything remotley resembling socialism, I have misinterpreted the intent of anyone who says that this is a Christian nation. My interpretation of that was of Christian legal impositions which would limit the expression of anyone elses religion. I was wrong, and I apologize.
Report Post »Trebuchet
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:35pmAnd something else, didn‘t Jefferson realize that if the Catholic Church had not gathered a Navy at Lepanto in 1571 and defeated the invading Muslims or sent Jan Kobieski King of Poland to turn back the Muslim army at the gates of Vienna in 1683 there would’ve been no America to found? As I said it appears that Jefferson was blinded by his prejudice, to the extent he even ignored history.
Report Post »tirelesspatriot
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:11pmTHIS-INDIVIDUAL: I commend you for being a stand-up person and apologizing. Mistakes happen to the best of us. We are all learning new truths each and every day. Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Report Post »ZeDingo
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:53pm“A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, and/or history. In this definition, a nation has no physical borders.”
That is what I learned “nation” means in school. There is within America a Christian nation, but America is not a Christian nation. There are far too many non-Christians for it to be so. The founders had no intent of this country being a Christian nation (or any other nation for that matter,) or they would’ve checked people for Bibles at the border. Instead they intended for this to be a free country, for us to join together as an American nation.
Yet you want to weaken the USA by dividing it. Why?
Report Post »Donald
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:06amToday its navity scenes tomarrow it will be believers.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:48amThat’s the truely sad part-it’s coming, like a run away freight train, sadly we are all going to live to see it.
Report Post »Faith1029
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:56amI agree. All the more reason we should read the Bible every day and get His Word in our hearts and minds so that we can draw from it when they come for our Bibles.
Psalm 199:11 The Words have I hidden in my heart that I may not sin against Thee.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:21pmWell that’s it, you are officially nuts.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:05amWhat do atheists do about gifts they may receive at Christmas time? Do they feel compelled to reciprocate? What do they do on their day off from work? Do they decline any “holiday” bonus given to them by their employers? Are they offended when someone inadvertently says to them, “Merry Christmas”?
I imagine most atheists are probably not bothered by those things. I grew up with a few atheists and they had zero problem with everybody else celebrating Christmas. It just wasn’t for them. So these few militant atheists are making the rest of them look pretty bad. They sound like spoiled little brats who, when not getting their own way, won’t let ANYONE have their way. So, like “moderate” moo slims, why don’t the unbothered atheists speak out against the radicals looking to ruin Christmas (and Easter) for everyone else?
Just asking.
Report Post »Rillobymorning
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:13amFunny how none of these left leaning Christmas haters had nothing negative to say when the White House put up their Christmas tree. Again I say, Christmas is a Federal holiday. If these people don’t like it, I suggest they move to a country that doesn’t celebrate Christmas…perhaps Iran.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:53amChristmas is a federal holiday until Obumbler gets them to change the name to the winter solstice festival.
Or Festivus.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:56amThey likely try to fill their dark and empty lives with material and intellectual “things” to lessen the void. Others use violent and attention getting tactics like this to make the majority angry. Otherwise, we would just pity them.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:02amMandors, true that. :)
How are you doing today?
Report Post »Noonien_Soong
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:04amIf some enterprising individual(s) could get together and perform in the guise of a troupe mimes with a sign saying “Mimes in a nativity scene”. That could freak out the non-believers.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:17amI’m so glad I live in Sebastian , Florida… Christmas and EVERY holiday is celebrated as they should be.. They even say “ Merry Christmas ” at walmart greetings and pay lines..None of this “ happy holidays ” crap…People here don‘t go for it and won’t stand for it any other way…
Report Post »They have a Christmas tree lighting on the green every year also a nativity scene there as well..
Can’t say as much in other cities/towns in Florida, but in Sebastian ? That’s just the way it is and always will be..
Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:38am@Noonien_Soong
Actually, people are likely allowed to apply for permits to hold a “live-action” Nativity event; don’t even need mimes! It’s been done before and is quite legal. I‘d suggest looking up the Nativity Project if you’d like to know more.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:52am@ Locked
Why do they need a permit? If flash mobs are legal, and flea bagging OWS losers can assemble freely, why not a nativity?
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:04am@Mandors
“Why do they need a permit? If flash mobs are legal, and flea bagging OWS losers can assemble freely, why not a nativity?”
It depends on what is used for the display and where it’s at. The group I’m referencing included animals such as camels and sheep and staged their show outside a courthouse.
In a public area like a park, they can likely do what they want; although there might still be restrictions on animals.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:02amYou can hide from the image in Christ in this life if yoou choose to. Someday you WILL have to face Him and it won’t be the loveable baby Jesus…it will be the Glorified King! Enjoy your temporary victory atheists.
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:06amDitto
Report Post »Noonien_Soong
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:00amThere will come the day when an author of literature will write and publish an exposé on the atheist’s mythology either as fact or mockingly.
Report Post »Unbeknownst to many, people have faith in either themselves or a religion, it’s inescapable unless one is dead or expired.
old white guy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:05amthe day will come when atheists will be pleading with Christians for protection from muslims who want to kill them because Christians will be the only ones who will be able to stand against islam.
Report Post »conservredneck
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:00amI have always said that I would just take a pin knife and etch the border of Calif and just push it off into the water.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:56amIf they don’t want to celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday, fine, that is their right. What upsets me is that they go out of their way to see to it that no one else does either. They expect others to respect their beliefs or lack thereof, but they refuse to respect the beliefs of others. Freedom of speech seems to be another one. “I have freedom of speech but you don’t” seems to the thinking of many on the left.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:54amHere we go again.
Report Post »Roon 1965
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:54amWhat does a “fight” look like between community citizens and liberal infested courts that decide against the will of the majority of the community? This is never the will of the majority of the people in a town or community. This is always the will of a very few. So, do we physically block the authorities and get arrested? Grab baby Jesus and run? How do we defend against the eradication of our deep spiritual beliefs? Liberals destroy our symbols but protect the rights of foreigner beliefs. Seriously, how do we wage an American counter-offensive to these “legal authority” measures that are trying to remove our God?
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:03amPut up your own Nativity scene….will your neighbor put one up next to yours??? And his neighbor??? Screw the “Authorities” that “control” your lives. Find some private property that like minded individuals will show support with you. Be creative, don’t be beat by the likes of these people.
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:11am@Roon 1965 “:…Grab baby Jesus and run?”
Report Post »_________________________
I love the way you phrased that! YEP…they might just have to! But, I would bet that if they put their heads together they might come up with a way to beat those atheists at their own game! You know, like the bikers who show up when that crazed Florida church protests at the funerals of our fallen soldiers…they physically surrounded the attendees of the funerals and blocked the protesters access to the cemeteries! It worked!
Duey2000
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:53amSo do I have to give Athiests any time off for Christmas? The way I see it, they do not celebrate Christmas, so they can work while the rest of us that do can take the time off to go to church and spend time with our families. It wouldn‘t be religious discrimination because they don’t celebrate a religion, so I would have no way of discriminating against them.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:54am“So do I have to give Athiests any time off for Christmas? The way I see it, they do not celebrate Christmas, so they can work while the rest of us that do can take the time off to go to church and spend time with our families. It wouldn‘t be religious discrimination because they don’t celebrate a religion, so I would have no way of discriminating against them.”
Do you own a private business? Of course you don’t need to give any time off; you call the shots. However, you also can’t compensate your religious workers for the time off while forcing your non-religious members to work; Christian workers will need to take it out of vacation time (if you have such a system) or just not get paid that day.
It would be religious discrimination to refuse to let them take a holy day off, but it would be preferential treatment to give them extra bonuses just for being a certain religion.
Report Post »armedandsafe
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 7:43pmMake a choice:
1. Paid time off for Good Friday and Christmas
OR
2. Paid time off for Summer Solstice and Winter Solstice.
Problem of discrimination vs preference solved.
Report Post »Jenny Lind
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:52amThis time has been part of the “last days” as my mother taught me 60some years ago. She started reading the bible to us at a young age and explained what was comeing so we would understand that someday times would be tough to be a follower of Christ.While I didn’t think it would come in my lifetime-here it is, the starting of persecution. While I am sad for a place (Santa Monica) where I carroled as a little girl to family friends, I know that no one can take away what is in my heart. Every Christmas eve we read all the scriture concerning Christ and his birth (and about Mary’s relationship and love for Elisabeth) and then we talked about our feelings of this great gift-the greatest gift to the world. My memories are priceless-I beg all of you with children at home, please create this kind of memories to help your families through the tough times coming and hold your good memories close. No matter what the evil and ignorant do or say, we have the truth and we can through our faith rattle the gates of hell. No matter what is said on the blaze-I am choosing to have the spirit of peace on earth, goodwill to men. All men. May this season be wonderfull for you, full of love and joy.
Report Post »USArmyVet
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:51amIf we Capitulate to the Atheists we lose we need to fight back. Dont give up find another property in Santa Monica and put it up show you cant squelch out nativity scenes. As for Mr. Vix the Bible talks about Anti Christs that will claim to know Him but do not. Vix is one of them.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:55am“Dont give up find another property in Santa Monica and put it up show you cant squelch out nativity scenes.”
Perhaps private property?
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:46amPoor little atheists, they take a science class or two, watch some Discovery channel and think they have all the answers. I am glad that free speech gives them the right to speak their minds. Their method of delivery is that of a spoiled four year old.
Report Post »Why don’t they go after all religions?????? Why stop with Christians?
biohazard23
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:55amBecause we won’t kill them for insulting and/or demeaning our faith.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:08ambio
Report Post »My thoughts as well.
momrules
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:22amI believe they don’t go after other religeons because in their hearts they know God is real, that Christ is real. The other dieties worshiped around the world are no threat to their immortal soul but to accept God is to give up devotion to themselves…. and whether they know it or not their devotion to Satan.
Report Post »Look at the two most hated beliefs in the world., Jewish and Christians.
Deckle
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:40amChristians stand up and fight! We will not give in to these people! Call, send letters, protest!
Report Post »Emrys
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:47amIf these people could show that just one person became a Christian due to these displays, that would be one thing. But for decades this display has been put up, and I doubt that even one atheist has been influenced. So exactly whose rights are being violated here? What’s the harm being done to them? Nothing! They just hate Christianity, pure and simple. If they were truly indifferent toward religion, then they wouldn’t care about this display, since it isn’t attempting to convert them.
Report Post »huckleberry, 1 ea.
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:04amAs a taxpayer, I have the right TO view a nativity scene on public property.
Report Post »Faith1029
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:08pmKICKAGRANDMA: “CHRISTIANS ~~~ Stand up and fight!”
………..And kneel down in prayer.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:35amCHRISTIANS ~~~ Stand up and fight! We will be required not only here but when we get HOME to explain to our HEAVENLY FATHER exactly “why” we allowed people too stupid, too pride-filled, too lost to believe in HIM to control our lives on this earth.
Stand up NOW for GOD. HE doesn’t need excuses. HE needs HIS kids to stand up, be vocal and say not only “No!“ but ”hell NO!” to atheistic lies which are destroying our country.
Where is your loyalty, california CHRISTIANS? Oh, never mind. I just answered my own question. CHRISTIANS in california. How silly of me….
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:56amYou are correct Kicka…The time to complain about these people is long past. Take the proper action on this issue and all important issues. Sitting on the sidelines and b!tching is a moment long past.
Report Post »ruffnex
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:45amDMN iIT !!!!!!!!..stop lumping ALL Californians together….. We’re NOT ALL NUTS.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:23pm“It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” – Thomas Jefferson
This is what our nation is about. Shame on the socialists who would take this nativity scene down, and the ones who demand their religion to be posted everywhere for all to see.
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:31amEasy converts for Islam.
Report Post »jedi.kep
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:31amThese damned Atheists better not take the Christmas holiday off of work.
Report Post »chemnerd26
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:50amAmen to that….oops was that offensive?
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:30amSad they have to go around trying destroy other religon because they think there religon is the right 1,,,grow up.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:29amIn California it seem the tail always wags the dog, that’s why there bankrupt.
Report Post »bagpipes4funerals
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:50amPlease, please, please… There, in California, they’re allowing their tail to wag the dog.
Report Post »They’re, their, and there are different words with different meanings.
demint.disciple
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:21am@bagpipes4funerals.. Agreed …………….. Point ??? You no (know) exactly what their (they’re) saying
Report Post »so why bother pointing it out , Are you a teacher ?
jhaydeng
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:29amIt’s called CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!
Report Post »Conservativegirlygirl
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:46amExactly!!! “CHRIST MAS”.. If they don‘t like it don’t look…..It offends me that it “offends them”. Freedom of speech???? Hmmmmm thank god I don’t live in Cali. gross…..
Report Post »your sensei
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:07pmNo, it’s called Xmas.
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