Calif. Commission Approves Regulations on…Battery Chargers
- Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:06pm by
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California is enacting the nation’s first “energy efficiency standards” for battery chargers used to power phones, power tools and laptops.
“The California Energy Commission, by a 3-0 vote Thursday, approved first-in-the-nation efficiency standards designed to drive stakes through the hearts of about 170 million so-called vampire charging systems that waste as much as 60 percent of the electricity they suck from outlets,” reports Marc Lifsher of the Los Angeles Times.
California’s standards take effect next year, and several states in the Northwest are considering similar regulations. The U.S. Department of Energy is also working on setting national standards for battery chargers.
“Once again, California is setting the standard for energy efficiency, keeping the state’s dominance as the most energy efficient state per capita,” said commission chair Robert Weisenmiller.
Naturally, appliance and consumer products manufactures strongly opposed the motion. Manufacturers say the move is the first step toward a patchwork of requirements that could drive up costs and end up costing consumers more for their appliances gadgets.
“It essentially means manufacturers are going to have to retool for California and they may have to retool again when DOE comes out with their final standard,” said Jill Notini, spokeswoman for the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers. “There could be implications for cost of products and choice of products.”
But the energy savings costs should more than offset the extra price, according to The Consumerist.
The new regulations “are expected to save enough electricity to power 350,000 homes, equivalent to a city the size of Bakersfield,” according to the Los Angeles Times. The new regulations will also supposedly save an $306 million a year off residential and commercial electricity bills.
“This means that we can have the devices that we like in our lives and that make our lives easier,” said Energy Commissioner Karen Douglas. “But, by taking a few relatively simple steps to improve battery chargers, we can save so much electricity, take care of the environment and save ratepayers money.”
Most of the new technology is off the shelf and inexpensive, Douglas said.
According to the Times report:
…consumers would pay an additional 40 cents for an electric toothbrush with an efficient battery charger, but would save $1.19 in electricity costs over the lifetime of the product, according to a commission staff report. An upgraded battery charger would boost the price of a laptop computer by 50 cents but would save $19 in power costs.
California’s “energy efficiency standards” for battery chargers shouldn’t come as a surprise. The state has a long and proud history of regulating most anything to do with power.
Recall that as far back as 1977, California was regulating air conditioners and then it was refrigerators, and then hot-water heaters, then lighting, then large-screen televisions and other appliances that have allegedly saved ratepayers $36 billion, the commission said.
As far as concerns raised by manufacturers, Delforge said the commission worked with trade and environmental groups for more than a year before adopting the new standards, making some concessions to help product makers meet the new regulations.
“It requires a change in their design, and changes always require more effort and more engineering and more design time, and if they don‘t have to do it they’d rather focus on other things,” he said. “If they had to pay the electric bill, we’d already see these changes in the marketplace.”
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
(h/t The Consumerist)
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shammo
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:39pmCA cannot afford to exist on its own. Just keep watching so we don’t have to bail the whole state out. Feinstein and Boxer are a waste of human flesh.
Report Post »SoulReaver
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:47pmThe bailout of california is already happening it is called liberalism. They cry we pay.
Report Post »drst4scss
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:39pmIll Secong that!!!
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 8:48pm.
Report Post »Typical libs.
When you’re broke, keep spending.
When you have regulated every business out of the state,
regulate more.
When no one has a job, give away more food stamps.
When you are buried in illegals,
welcome more.
heavyduty
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:38pmEveryone knows that California is an idiot state. Further more, there is no such thing as a hot water heater. Why? Because you don’t need to heat hot water.
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:42pmThe manufacturers are whining about nothing. They already create two different sets of cars… one for California/Northeast to meet CARB compliance, and other cars to meet EPA regulations in the rest of the 44 states. If they can do it for cars they can do it for cellphone wall chargers
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Report Post »BMartin1776
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:52pmIts an idiot state that sets the tone for the rest of the nation!
I’m trapped here and I gotta say when I saw this all that came to my mind is someone hit the reset button.
I just do not see anyway out of this nightmare called the progressive America. There is too much, everyone in power from Pharaoh Obama to local leaders are out of control. How much is enough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1zkGZRfj24
And if anyone here think a presidential election is going to change things you are smoking dope. Its day in day out of this garbage from government and it is wearing on everyone. People in other countries get it. People who are dying for what we all take for granted, that is slowly becoming, not socialism, marxism but tyranny. The proggies are doing one heck of a job and no new potus is going to change it. Not even those who invoke the Constitution in every other sentence but never explain themselves. (BTW those of you falling for that better wake up, we have seen that type of candidate before, this nation fell head over heels for the last one b/c NO ONE EVER QUESTIONED all the things he too invoked in his brainwashing speeches.)
People better wake up and understand nothing is ever going to change until all leaders are removed from power, which will also squash the establishment that put them in!
Report Post »http://SavingtheRepublic.com
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:57pm@heavyduty,
“Everyone knows that California is an idiot state.”
Yes, California is absolutely an idiot state.
Report Post »jds7171
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 5:03pmNO wonder California is in such a mess. The idiots in charge think saving $1 over 1 year is a good save. What a bunch of idiots.
Report Post »Arthur Spooner
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 5:25pm@JDS7171
It’s worse than $1.19 a year. It’s actually OVER THE LIFE OF THE PRODUCT! This action will not save anybody any money.
I can’t wait to leave Ca.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:21pmWow!
So, I can spend an extra $0.40 today, and potentially earn back $1.19 over how many years? Oh my gosh! That makes so much sense! But, what happens if the device breaks in 3 months? What then?
Individual consumers pay for their own electricity usage, so who’s business is it how much electricity I use or waste? It‘s no one’s business but my own. If I’m so concerned about it, then I’ll find the most efficient product as will others with the same mind set. The market will drive more consumers to those products and the issue will resolve itself in short order.
This is an example of government tyrrany. We know what’s best for everyone, so we’ll pick the winners. The losers will be the consumers.
Report Post »Khthulhu
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:23pmIt‘s like they’re inbreeding. They are (the folks in charge, that is) actively looking for people of lesser intelligence to breed with if they can’t find a sibling who is more stupid than themselves. After they find a stupid sibling (or someone even more stupid) to breed with, they take turns hitting themselves in the forehead with a hammer as hard as they can stand it because they were told by someone (they can’t remember who it was) that doing this increases intelligence. You see? This is the level of stupid that comes out of California!
Report Post »oathkeeper10
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:29pmGood one!!!!!
Report Post »MetalPatriot
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:59pm@heavyduty….that was funny. i don’t think anybody else got it though. we all get excited and just type away without reading the posts we reply to.
@bmartin1776….as you may remember, i love your posts. i just don’t think anybody realizes how serious this is. everybody likes to hear somebody spout “constitution” but the practice of abiding by it is always “overruled” by lawyers/judges/politicians (the bad ones are all the same no matter the category). The EXTREME regulation in CA is killing buisness. We had an energy ‘crisis’ here a couple years ago. Meanwhile, the Huntington Beach & Long Beach power plants were functioning at less than 50% capacity.
Saving money? We had one bathroom recessed light go out. We’ve had this light for 8 yrs. They no longer carry them anywhere here. You have to buy the expensive ‘green-granola-loving’ lights. They take a LONG TIME to get bright and they still don’t get HALF as bright as the regular bulb. Those lights cost a fortune and don’t produce good light. Thanks bureaucratic a*******s.
Our car/truck smog laws? These drove the race car & hot rod guys out of state (who kept their motor clean anyway). Every single day I’m on the freeway and see trucks & busses EXEMPT from smog equiptment. Guess what….they SPEW filth.
We’re being chipped away every single day fro every imagineable direction.
Don’t worry…everything’s fine, just ignore it. (extreme sarcasm0
Report Post »REPUBLICANINCALI
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 7:03pmCalifornia is awesome.
Report Post »I think I’m moving soon.
M 4 Colt
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 7:10pmBmartin1776,i agree with you, the only problem is if we replaced every leader in power at the same time across our country we would end up with total chaos. Now i would like to modify your idea a little, i think we NEED, and MUST DEMAND term limits on EVERY elected official in our country.
I read on line today that Harry Reid was talking to the press about working with Reagan, well it’s been almost 25 years since Reagan left office and that just proves my point, Reid has been in office WAY TO LONG!
Term limits will limit the influence of money on our leaders, with term limits they will be in and out of office hopefully before money and power makes them forget that they were voted into office to take care of the peoples business instead of taking care of their own business.
The next thing we need to do is limit the amount of money that is spent on a campaign to get elected to public office, that way regular people other then millionaires could have a chance of wining if they ran for public office.
Next change the amount of pay that is paid to some office holders so that way you can get good people to run for office.
One of the reasons regular people don‘t run for office is they can’t afford to feed their family if they win the election on what some of these jobs pay.
Change some of these things and you would get people other then professorial politicians to run for some of these offices and then we would get some real change
Report Post »barnsy
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 7:32pmIts time to crack down on Politician Pollution!
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 7:39pmI wrote this song. it’s called “what’s wrong with this song” Because of all the B.S. that is part of the crazyness in politics today. We are under attack and are being regulated out of existence with unreasonable, unworkable stupid requirements. http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_9134749
Report Post »obamanation
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 7:41pmCalifornia knows how to save money… HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time!!
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 11:36pmMoron.
Report Post »sane_man
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:29amYeah…it’s the “idiot state” that provides much tax welfare for the rest of the states and is home to Apple, Google, and the vast bulk of the entertainment industry which is just about America’s only export anymore. Most states WISH they had 1/100th of the quality of life Californians enjoy. Everyone hates a winner.
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:36amYes an idiot state. Not at all like those states vast intelligence like Alabama, Kentucky and West Virginia.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:29amConduct your own in home savings by putting your TV, DVD player etc on a power strip. Turn the power strip OFF when not in use, do not plug your appliances directly into the wall. Its like have a 40watt bulb on all the time as the equipment is in the standby mode it is still using energy.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:38pmThe liberal regulating mind is something to behold. It thinks makinglaws solves problems.
FREEDOM AND LIBERTY in a FREE MARKET SYSTEM solves problems!
Report Post »Ron Paul 2012 to end the BS!
Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 5:12pmThe manufacturers should simply say no, and let those idiots drive to a state next door to get their charvers…. And there by , using more energy…. Idiots
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:34pmThe Vote was 3 to 0 …… So three government know nothing slugs can regulate the whole state… Those industries still remaining in that idiot state , should all move to TEXAS…..
Report Post »CatB
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:38pmSadly this ends up regulating the entire country .. and costing all of us more … because they are not going to make things just for California.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:45pmThere are plenty of things made just for California. Generators is a good example. Auto parts that involve smog control, such as catalytic converters. Portable air conditioners another. Many more. Everything made just for California costs about 20-30 percent more. Although I do agree, the progressives will take California regulations and federalize them.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:58pmIf we could just regulate the regulators……its called voting.
Report Post »alina.bolero
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:37pmIs there ANY product for which California has not made regulation that either increase its cost or lessen the manufacturers market, because they won’t sell it there anymore.
Somebody should erect a billboard on the state line that shows a picture of the U.S. Constitution with a stamp on it that says “Not for consumption within the state of California.”
Report Post »bajaman
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:36pmPlease pray for me as I live in this ‘utopia’…….
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:41pmSucker!!! I would spend every penny i had to move out of that trap. I lived in Las Vegas for a year…made me kiss the ground of Texas when I returned home. Never again will I live outside of Texas…
Report Post »hamanns
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 7:02pmMe too, I could use all the prayers I can get! I grew up in communist country and when I came to CA 25 years ago I tought I have reached Heaven……….Boy, It is looking more and more like Hell…….but I’m stuck here………There is a way around some of pure eco-stupidity, sales tax etc. I shop on line, second hand stores, garage sales…… If I can wash it, I will buy it. Health reasons prevent me from travelling, but friends in other states help buying “forbiden in CA” stuff for me.
Report Post »Resist we much!
sane_man
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:32amI can’t IMAGINE anyone preferring to live in Texas than in California. Wow…let’s see….mountains and oceans and beautiful forests or hot dusty scrub land? Tough decision. :-)
Report Post »Notsureishoulddothis
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:03pmBaddoggy – you’re judging California because you lived in Nevada? Did you ever GO to California? Does the name Yosemite ring a bell? How about beaches… Santa Cruz …. Big Sur … the redwoods … San Diego ….wine country … gold country …. nothing like Vegas’ desert sand. And there is no comparison anywhere in this country to the sunshine that lures you outside all year round, with no mosquitoes or humidity or tornadoes. OK, so it rains now and then and Malibu slides into the ocean… that’s not a real big loss anyway. And the only comparable weather is in Death Valley – which is, by the way, stunning in the spring. Slam my state for the liberals ruining it, that’s fair game, but don’t think Calif and Nevada have anything in common with each other. Except Lake Tahoe of course …
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:32pmRemember, as Massachusetts was the model for the progressive health care take over, California is and will be the model for crippling federal and state regulations.
Report Post »barnsy
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:43pmYou have got to be flippn kidding me! California is going down the toilet and they have time for this nonsence! The house is on fire and their worried about a dripping bathroom faucet! MORONS !!
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:49pmBarnsy, you are so right. The only difference between the progressives in California, and the progressives in the federal government, is that California is way ahead in implementing these crippling regulations. But Obummer and Cass will catch up if they get their way.
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:48pmThe Death Spiral 1
Report Post »Our politicians spend every cent they can steal through taxation, and everything they can borrow. The economy is good and growing so the resulting increase in government income from taxes allows them to continue buying people’s votes with their own money.
Then the economy hiccups. They can’t meet the obligations. They raise taxes. The economy is left with less spendable dollars, so total activity is reduced. Businesses see the dip as a potential tread, pull in their horns, and make the suspected trend a reality.
As the economy continues down, businesses continue to reduce offensive operations concentrating on defense – they want to survive. They don’t hire and trim down their workforce to the absolute minimum.
The people layed off can’t buy what the did before and new products are not being produced, so the economy is farther reduced. The tax collections decrease. The government raises taxes to meet the obligations it took on when the economy was cookin’.
The cycle continues. Businesses drop profitless produce lines, and the employees connected with those lines are jobless. They are not paying taxes and are drawing unemployment which increases government cost, and being obligated, find some semi-visible way to increase taxes like printing money and imposing inflation upon the people to pay for the increase in monetary supply.
People stop buying anything but necessities. As markets dry up, manufacturers reduce production.
Buck Shane
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:51pmThe Death Spiral 2
Report Post »People stop buying anything but necessities. As markets dry up, manufacturers reduce production. As production is reduced, fewer employees are needed.
Eventually, the spiral ends when the plane fly into the ground.
California is ahead of the rest of the nation and are driving capable people out in addition to the rest of the problems, but the rest of the country will catch up.
cessna152
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:28pmThe residents should regulate stupidity out of that state…it’s actually pretty simple and would save hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars.
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:36pmI think California should regulate:
1. How many breaths a person can take per minute.
2. How much water a person can drink per day.
3. How much of each nutrient a person can consume per day.
4. How many times per day a person can pass gas.
5. How many times per day a person can take a leak.
6. How many times per day a person can drop a deuce.
Etc., etc., etc.
Maybe, if we’re lucky, they’ll regulate themselves off the planet.
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:27pmMore idiots trying to prove they are really needed.
Report Post »TheePolitinator
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:27pmCan we declare California not a State anymore, seriously when is this crap gonna stop? wake up sheep
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 11:39pmPlease do so, all of the socialists will leave.
Report Post »sane_man
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:34amDo you have any idea how much tax revenue (i.e. tax welfare for lots of states) would dry up if California left? Think about it. This country would lose it’s richest and most successful citizens. Don’t be ridiculous.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 7:38pmIt’s alright Sane_Man, many of us would be happy to leave the union as it’s being turned into a mess of corporate socialism anyway. We’re probably going to have yet another statist in office (if the one we have now leaves) which will further alienate the Western states (especially the Southwest).
Report Post »semihardrock
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:27pmI will buy my phone charger the American way…….online from China for $2.00!
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:26pmThe announcement and article danced around what the actual changes in design are.
Report Post »Change is good….rjght ?
Disneyfan
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:26pmSo why is it that Californians pay some of the highest energy rates in the country? I am in favor of a one time gift of California to the Mexicans. Then we build the fence.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:36pmLet’s just give Mexico the DEMOCRATS.We can keep the land, Drill for oil and turn America around.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:41pmWhen I lived there, I always thought it was a great place to live… Beaches, restaurants, bars, movie theaters, 6 lane freeways with hardly a cop in sight. But there is one glaring problem that always plagues the place. The liberal idiots. Personally, that is alot of valuable coastline to just give up. Maybe if we could create a strait between California and the rest of the country it would be a good thing. Just make the Colorado river crossing about 10 miles wider than it is now and I’d be good. And Arizona/Nevada property would gain worth over night.
Report Post »rotcarpenter
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:25pmThank god. I was starting to get worried.
Report Post »SurfinRallylizard
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:25pmWow, maybe my brain is being taken over by liberals, but I think I am actually okay with this policy… 1. It saves consumers money on electricity and 2. It is silly that companies don’t already make a point to produce efficient products (the incentives aren’t there, I think we all get that). But this is the proper place of STATE politics in my opinion, they are regulating issues within their state to keep issues that the market doesn’t necessarily deem important but investment-wise, it does make a lot of sense. Now, I completely disagree with the DOE getting involved, bu I love that states can tinker with these issues, we just have to keep the federal government from jumping into the conversation… man, I feel like I somehow landed on the dark side here, hopefully my reasoning makes sense.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:36pmYou are the problem. You want regulations instead of letting free markets rule. You think regulating this will solve a problem? NO! It will make prices go up not down. Regulate anything and the price goes up, let the free market compete without regulations andf the prices go down. Simple.
Lib tards have polluted your brain.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:24pmHow about they just don‘t’ retool, they stop selling the **** in stores in Cali, everyone goes to Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, or EBAY to buy there non-economical items…
Then Cali loses even more tax revenue and people get so annoyed with the inconvenience that they boot out the idiots who imposed this on the masses….
Report Post »Joisey
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:23pmI’m waiting for the day when California regulates itself out of any business wanting to sell consumer products in that state. I can’t wait for the day when all the car manufacturers, electronics manufacturers, etc. all say it is too expensive and too difficult to sell anything in California and they all stop doing business in the state. Then I can laugh at all the moronic leftwing Utopians who will have to walk every where and read by candle light.
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:37pmThat day has come and gone. There is currently a mass exodus of citizens leaving California. I was stationed at Camp Pendleton and left in late 2009. At that time, there were enough moving vans leaving california and heading east that I was asked about it by every convenience store where I stopped to get gas. California used to be one of the world’s top 5 economies, but it is crashing and will continue to do so. They are losing their tax paying base in droves and will soon have to live with their debt. As will the nation as a whole.
Report Post »hamanns
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:51pmYou are right, but they will not have candles…….Candles will be regulated out of state too.
Report Post »ex_nihilo
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:22pmI would like to hear the business arguments. Sure, it will cost $0.50 more per device, but I have a feeling that isn’t the only cost.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:31pmThere is the cost of the administration of the regulation, which will far out weigh the rest.
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 5:06pmI agree EX-NIHILO, just another way to open the door that needs to be slammed shut instead.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:20pmOne more development in the Communist state of California; when they collapse the US will bail them out under Obama. One more reason the Socialists and Progressives need to go away.
Report Post »Shasta
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:29pmI live in California, unfortunately, but I absolutely do NOT want a bail out of ANY kind for this state. There are many of us in California who agree with me on this, just not enough.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 8:15pm@Shasta – there are good people to be found even in the worst areas of the planet. Keep up the faith and maybe God will allow CA to become free of the Progressives.
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:18pmI have an easier, and even more cost effective solution. Just turn off the power to Bakersfield…
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 11:35pmNo, Frisco and L.A.
Report Post »13th Imam
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:15pmI fiddled with my manual toothbrush and made it more aerodynamic. But it moved so fast I hurt my shoulder. Maybe I will invest in a coal -fired toothbrush.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:13pmWe will tell you what you need, we will give you what you need, you will give us your souls.
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USaidWhat
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 5:16pmWe do it for YOU to help YOU to protect YOU. Wolves in sheeps clothing. They are communists – simple and so in your face. Are YOU going to be another idiot lemming or do you give a sht about your kids and grandkids? Will you take a stand for good vs evil or will you stand before God one day after being a gutless lemming?
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 6:20pmI stand.
Report Post »I.Gaspar
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:11pmGo away California.
Report Post »Please just GO AWAY!
Shasta
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:15pmRemember, as Massachusetts was the model for the progressive health care take over, California is and will be the model for crippling federal and state regulations. Cass is a very busy man.
Report Post »sane_man
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:39amFine California will go away and take it‘s natural resources and the tax revenue form it’s 660,000 millionaires. And we’ll take Apple and Goode and CalTech and all of silicon Valley with us. Hope you don’t enjoy watching TV, movies or listening to music either…cuz we’re taking those too.
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:09pmYaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy
Report Post »Our problems are solved !!!!!!!!!!!
rejoice people rejoice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
booger71
Posted on January 16, 2012 at 4:08pmlooks like more jobs for china
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