Calif. Politicians Working to Abolish Open Carry of Firearms
- Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:30pm by
Buck Sexton
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For 99.9% of Californians, you can’t carry your handgun concealed, you can’t open carry it loaded, but you can open carry it unloaded. That is unless a growing effort in the state legislature succeeds to make the 2nd Amendment null and void in the Golden State. 
Sam Wolanyk doesn’t want to see that happen. He is an advocate for open carry- which in California is legal if the weapon is completely unloaded. To make his point, Wolanyk carries a pistol on his belt with a detached magazine on his other hip while he walks around downtown San Diego.
This public display in support of the 2nd Amendment has already created problems with local authorities. Despite the fact that carrying an unloaded handgun in the open is completely legal under California law, in 2010 police drew their pistols on Wolanyk, threw him on the ground, and allegedly said “we don’t care what the law is, you can’t do that.”
Wolanyk successfully sued the San Diego Police for $ 35,000 for unlawful arrest without suspicion as as result of that incident.
But California’s complicated gun laws may soon become crystal clear, as some politicians are currently trying to close the open carry loophole. This would effectively eliminate the right to carry a firearm as a private citizen anywhere in California. And here’s why.
California is one of a few states that are “may issue” for concealed carry permits. What that means is, the county sheriff in California can decide whether or not a citizen gets a gun, and that’s it. In California, only .1% of the population has a Concealed Weapons Permit- 29 times below that of “Shall-Issue” states (in New York City, another may-issue state, the application for a premise permit for a handgun costs $340, must be typed on a typewriter, and DMV moving violations can disqualify you).
But in the aftermath of the Arizona shooting that killed six and seriously wounded Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, some politicians in California have been using the rise of anti-gun sentiment in the media to push new gun legislation. A change to the statute is now working its way through the state’s legislative process that would eliminate open carry in California.
In response to this, Wolanyk points out that the Arizona shooter, Jared Loughner, violated multiple felonies irrespective of any tightening of gun laws in Arizona or California, and that the shooter was a crazy person unlikely to be deterred by changing open carry laws.
Watch the full video below, complete with interviews from Wolanyk and politicians who want to close out the 2nd Amendment in California, courtesy of Reason.tv:
(h/t hot air)
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Comments (383)
FellowTalkHost
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:52pmIt’s not a “clip”, Blaze. It’s a “magazine”. Big difference ;)
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:58pmWow! You’re smart!
Report Post »ntxjetta
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:03pmThank you for your reply. Ignorance of the proper terms is a hallmark of the media.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:18pm@model82A1
Amazing at how ofter clip is misused for magazine. I believe the M1 garand that our grandfathers used caused the confusion. Millions of service men learned to use the term “clip” during WWII and Korea, and passed it on. Folks been using the wrong term since. The media never gets much of anything right when it comes to firearms or users. Notice how anyone who ever uses a rifle in a crime gets labeled a “sniper”? Not too many criminals sitting back at 600 plus, dopping elevation and wind to make a first round hit. Machine Gun is another term misused.
Report Post »mils
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:20pmoh who cares…good grief we know what he’s talking about, magazine smagazine…you’re pickin fly $#!t out of pepper.
politicians are afraid when the “uprising” hits here..they will be the ones targeted by those with the guns…there are probably enough “illegal” guns out on those street that the legal guys won’t need to worry..just go around the corner johndoe will sell a brown paper bag that just happens to have a gun and bullets in it…seriously the whole thing with politicians is out of hand. so worried to keep law abiding people in line because they can’t come close to getting a handle on the gang problems
Report Post »DarkFire
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:21pmvery soon they will go the opposite way with this, they will say yes everyone can carry a gun, they will even go as far as issuing permits to everyone… i know you waiting for the hook, here it comes, they will just outlaw gun sales peroid in the US, and therefore 2nd amendment run around. wake up people these people don’t care about our rights, please go out and get a gun quick!
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:27pmCalifornia hasn’t the authority the pick which parts of the Constitution it will abide by. IT CALLED THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
Report Post »California can no more stop law abiding citizens from practicing their 2cd amendment rights than they stop people practicing their first amendment rights. More over If California wants out of the U.S. I say let it go pull all U.S. bases,government offices and agencies out of it. Line the borders with mines and armed personel with orders to kill any who try to enter the U.S.
Skee
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:48pmWe get it. It’s not a stripper clip. I think the main point of the story is about our 2nd amendment. For everyone else out there, incase you didn’t know, a kleenex is actual called a facial tissue.
Report Post »rrjenn
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:54pmMagazine and a stripper clip are two different animals for sure, but function to accomplish that same thing
Report Post »hcartexas
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:01pmMagazine, Clip… WHO CARES???? I’ve been around Guns…(yes Guns and not firearms) my whole life… in the Army, as a Cop…. Its vernacular……I call it a Clip, and a Gun… Maybe you should remove the “stick” from your “a$$”
Report Post »michael48
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:04pmhe!! in Cali-Moscow…we’re more concerned with the TULIP CARRYING LIB-NUTS than open carry firearms…talk about MOONBEAMS…they can drive ( a-bike) , walk and VOTE…as long as it’s attached to “Omama” instructions…but don’t mention the word WORK, they become VIOLENTLY ILL and the green crap that comes out of thier facial ORFICE is disgusting…
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:06pm@smithclar3nc3
Report Post »If they won’t do it with Mexico, why would they do it for little Mexico?
cookcountypatriot
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:07pmnah,,,its a clip..magazines are used on naval vessels….
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:13pmhttp://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/08/10/if-we-let-the-obama-take-our-guns-well-have-to-run-and-hide-like-londoners/
Fast forward to 2011 and look at the riots taking place in London, England: the city of unarmed people where crime was long ago vanished via the confiscation and destruction of handguns.
Now that the criminals are confident the citizenry is thoroughly unarmed, they’re going into homes and businesses whenever they wish, taking whatever they want once they go in, and walking (or running) away with a smile on their face.
Report Post »Cowoak
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:19pmThats right, clips are for girls hair
Report Post »nepanhandle
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:24pmI thought they were calling them “assault clips”
Report Post »one years food ration like glenn says
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:49pm“we don’t care what the law is, you can’t do that.” LMFAO.., Amazing !!!
Report Post »robert
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:18pm“In California, only .1% of the population has a Concealed Weapons Permit- 29 times below that of “Shall-Issue” states (in New York City, another may-issue state, the application for a premise permit for a handgun costs $340, must be typed on a typewriter, and DMV moving violations can disqualify you).”
I have news for the rabidly far left political geeks in California: “It doesn’t matter whether you allow open carry, concealed carry or what, because we are now at the beginning of complete breakdown, and it will be the people who will decide whether or not they want to be armed, not your sorry Azzes.”
The most globally respected trends forecaster, Gerald Celente, tells us it is upon us, and he’s been right on so far. What he says can’t be dismissed.
“KINGSTON, NY — On June 13th, Trends Journal subscribers and the global media received this Trend Alert® “Collapse It’s Coming! Are You Ready?”
In his 2007 Trend alert Gerald Celente accurately predicted that a global economic collapse was imminent, and surely it was, because we fell hard and fast.
He’s saying now that: “THE ECONOMY IS ON THE THRESHOLD OF CALAMITY; ANOTHER VIOLENT EPISODE IS LOOMING.”
“Celente warned that the trends of the Summer of 2011 parallel those in play during August of 2007, trends that had culminated in the “Panic of ‘08.” http://www.trendsresearch.com
It might take awhile to see the worst of it, but it could also come down fast. Be prepared.
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:18pmI’m glad you pointed that out, it is something that has always annoyed me right up there with calling semi-automatic weapons “assault” weapons.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:25pm.
Report Post »“We don’t care what the law is, you can’t do that.”
Just like Washington.
See, there’s this thing called the Constitution……..
You should read it some time.
It makes us different from …………everybody.
Yeah, I know, if you don’t read the bills you vote for, why read the Constitution?
Secret Squirrel
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:27pm.
Report Post »Media:
“He was carrying an AK-47 assault rifle and a cache of hollow point “cop killer” ammunition.”
wrs840
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:32pmHere’s how to keep it straight: A “magazine” has a spring, a “clip” does not.
“Assault Clips” is an overly-aggressive haircut joint.
Report Post »mikester8888
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 7:04pmIts amazing, you should be better suited being on the huffington post’s site. Whenever you make a point over there the response is always the same. Why cant you spell, you misspelled that word. No input, no thought just mindless dribble.
Report Post »JediPatriot
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 7:29pm2 things:
1) “When rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or
legislation which would abrogate them.” Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.
2) If we should ban guns because we’re trying to prevent “crazy” people from going on a murder rampage, then why aren’t we banning the entire police force when one (or more) of them go overboard?
Report Post »March 3, 1991 – LAPD versus Rodney King
October 17, 1991 – Tupac Shakur versus Oakland PD
August 25, 1995 – Wayne Calvin Byrd versus LAPD
April 1, 1996 – 2 Unknowns versus Riverside Sheriffs department
October 12, 1996 – Javier Ovando versus LAPD
June–July 2000 – A string of incidents by Oakland PD
July 6, 2002 – Donovan Jackson versus Inglewood PD
December 23, 2004 – Juan Herrera versus Buena Park PD
January 30, 2005 – Cornell Greathouse versus Pasadena PD
January 1, 2009 – Oscar Grant versus B.A.R.T.
May 13, 2009 – Richard Rodriguez – versus El Monte PD
July 5, 2011 – Kelly Thomas versus Fullerton PD
macnkat
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 7:55pmLet’s not get too anal shall we.
Report Post »Maine932
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 8:31pmAh…I hate to tell you this, but clips insert into magazines…just sayin
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 8:32pmONE YEARS FOOD posts:
“we don’t care what the law is, you can’t do that.” LMFAO.., Amazing !!!
THIS is the PERFECT EXAMPLE of the MINDSET of our STAZI GOVBOTS and their “OCCUPATION ARMY” of Police. The mere concept of anybody else being ARMED, other than them, SCARES the PI$$ out of them. They are all too keenly AWARE, that they operate on their “ILLUSION of INVINCIBILITY” and only so long as the common folk believe this MYTH, can they hang onto their EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE ON VIOLENCE.
RUDE AWAKINGING coming, just around the corner.
Report Post »red1
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:32pmFor the record, I thank you guys for informing me about the diference between a clip and a magazine :)
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:43pmWhat grinds me is that any rifle that doesn’t look like a deer rifle is an “assault rifle”, according to the media, even though it can fire no more dangerous than an old M-14 carbine.
Report Post »Phoenixsoulfire
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:45pm@smithclar3nc3 You are so right, the problem is being California the citizens would have to take it all the way up to the 9th circus courts where they are so far up obama’s butt of ideas they would allow the rights of the people to be trampled on.
Far as I am concerned I think California should just go away
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:56pmAfter a Burglar breaks into my house, he can argue whether its a clip or magazine after its empty.
Report Post »Captnjimi
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:18amA “clip” is a detachable magazine.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 1:30amHow many would be willing to follow this man and open carry with him??
Report Post »Sheepdog911
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 6:05amIs it a tissue or a kleenex? If BettyJo loads and locks a clip in her 1911 with one under the hammer, it will still go bang as though she had properly loaded a magazine and pressed the slide release thingamadoodle. When you go off on these I know my (whatever it is) S*!t, it’s like listening to some nuke physicist explain E=MC2. It educational, but all I want is my lights to go on when I flip the switch on my wall that’s powered by the nuclear-powered electrical grid. It may be educational (and for mussle suckers interesting), but all the average person wants it the reliable bang when the trigger is pulled.
Report Post »wop6969
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:07amYears ago it was called a clip….
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 8:04amPhoenixsoulfire
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 11:45pm
@smithclar3nc3 You are so right, the problem is being California the citizens would have to take it all the way up to the 9th circus courts where they are so far up obama’s butt of ideas they would allow the rights of the people to be trampled on.
Far as I am concerned I think California should just go away
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Report Post »That’s why we have a Supreme Court to judge Constitutionality of state legislation. Chicago tried to stop people from practicing their 2cd amendment right and it failed miserably.
But I agree with alot of Cali. and it’s ideology has nothing to do with America.
hud
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 8:12amPicky, picky, picky.. I’m a VN vet and I still interchange the terms
Report Post »Lubejob5684
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 8:53amA lot of misinformed people do refer to magazines as clips, and a lot of informed people refer to magazines as clips because its easy, and is the vernacular. I the circle of people I work and hang out with we refer to magazines as the abbreviation “mag” or “mags” ie: Hey Frank all my mags are empty and I’m still under fire.“ ”Do you have a mag with ammo?” Thats not the point of this story though. Fighting for the right to carry a weapon for ones self defense is a battle that we have won in many states across the nation since the fight began in Florida many years ago. There are still a few states such as CA, MA, MD, and NY where we still have a great battle ahead of us. Of couse if the entire country collapses under mounting financial and social unrest it may end up being those of us with the ability to defend ourselves that restore order.
Report Post »loadingmyclips
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 9:19ammines a clip. It’s for my Garand.!! ( :
Report Post »siebegorman
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 9:27amWhen are the people of California going to stand up for themselves? One clue Californians you get the government you deserve. Think about it when voting.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 9:34amOut of my cold dead hands. Bring it on government. You have absolutely NO IDEA how many guns the American public has and if you keep this up, you are gonna see for yourself.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 9:39amBy the way: I have my CCW and I use it daily, but I also OBEY THE LAW. There are stores in our area that have signs stating they do not allow guns. I walk in and tell them, OK, then I do not shop here – AND, I DON’T. I have seen businesses change those signs, since my area is a big CCW area, they now know better. The small area we come from where the stores are, a pretty safe BECAUSE most people carry their guns in and out of these stores. We haven’t had a robbery in over a year, so don‘t tell me guns don’t stop trouble. If you carry a gun, you need to be trained and smart about it, and very vigilant. A quick shop had a robbery a little over a year ago and there were 5 people in the store at the time, including the clerk and the robber. He went to the clerk to get the money and when he turned around, 3 people had their guns on him. So, don’t tell me that guns cause problems. In the right hands, THEY SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Report Post »Bloody Sam
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 10:12am“What that means is, the county sheriff in California can decide whether or not a citizen gets a gun”
Not true. One could still get a nice 30-30 lever action Winchester or Mossberg rifle.
But for personal protection in public? Conceal carry a .380 with a pocket holster.
Report Post »The local law may not allow it but when confronted with a life or death situation…who really gives a crap about what the local police think? Save your ass….carry a pistol. It’s a God given right.
smithclar3nc3
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 10:33amTo everyone arguing about magazine v/s clip STFU and buy revolvers . The story is about an assault on the CONSTITUTION lets debate that then debate the symantics later
Report Post »aquajim
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 11:34amI’ve heard that for years. Please tell us the difference.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 2:06pmhey another case of just say no. carry and use it if you are attacked by anyone.
Report Post »@ Coyote2
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 3:13pmA magazine is part of the gun where ammo is stored below the bolt. A clip is a removable snap in box of shells that you insert in the gun below the bolt. Both are spring loaded and feed the ammo to the bolt that pushes it into the chamber to fire. Stripper’s are a whole different concept and are used in machine guns.
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:37pmWhat’s the point of carrying an unloaded weapon?
Report Post »RugerHoyt
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:21pm@DrFunk
An unloaded gun is better than no gun at all…
Report Post »GRUNT_LOYALIST
Posted on August 15, 2011 at 11:02amIt’s amazing that the progressives are trying to reverse the open carry law with excuses like: Nobody needs a gun to get a burger or go shopping and what ever else they say. What they don’t say is when you do need a gun. Which is? When you need to protect your life or your families life or a bystanders life. And nobody can predict when that is! So therefor the right time to carry is all the time not never. FN progressives!
Report Post »dcwu
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:52pmThose California politicians are very afraid of the people.
Report Post »They’re not paranoid though.
They have reason to be afraid.
They (the pols) are dirty nasty evil guilty of defying the people all along the way –
taxing and burning their money, and borrowing and wasting more of it too,
and generally breaking the sacred trust placed in them.
And an armed public might just go after them real direct.
It wouldn’t be murder though.
That’s wantonly killing an innocent person.
These pols are dirty rotten guilty.
So, what choice does a dirty nasty lying theiving politician have?
Ban guns!
That will fix it.
Oh, by the way, you better disarm the cops too.
They get testy when you don’t pay them.
And the firemen too, and the garbage collectors, and the EPA, and ….
M-O-O-N Spells Moon
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:23pm…And isn‘t interesting that in a state where the citizens can’t have guns the crime rate is so high. Must be all the Fast and Furious guns coming in with the Fed-sponsored drugs.
Report Post »patriotforlife
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 8:24pmSplit the state in half and be done with it. The left will sink without the right to hold it up.
Report Post »kagebrokesta
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:49pmIt‘s alright if California doesn’t want to follow the 2nd amendment. I’m going to move to one of the southern states and push for their state legislature to not abide by the 13th amendment. Has anyone ever thought about doing that? Oh right, back in the mid 19th century… I hear that didn’t work out so well and a million or so Americans killed each other. Oh well, GOOD IDEA CALIFORNIA!
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:08pmthe 13th amendment didn’t exist then, it only existed after the north murdered millions of southerners, so they could take back the wealth that had migrated to the south. It’s happening again, I’m sure they will find an excuse to come take the wealth we have built again soon.
Report Post »Steve Rider of San Diego GOP
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:51pmCalifornia is an interesting place, but more conservative than a lot of people give it credit for. We’ve voted down every clear tax/fee increase the past few years and have a great conservative coalition in San Diego as illustrated by this article as well as some of our elected officials.
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 9:02pmSWAMP,
Yessir, the Progressive Abraham Lincoln couldn’t have cared less about the “Po Darky Slaves” in the mean old South. The War of Northern AGGRESSION was fought soley in order to continue the ECONOMIC PILLIAGE of the South by the “NAWTHERN” MONEY INTERESTS.
Well they WON, and have lived off of us for the intervening 150+ years. But, all of that has caught up to them now, all the YANKEE MONEY JEWS are smooth out of anybody left to steal from. AND the BEST PART is that they are now having to DEAL with the MONSTERS they created via their Benevolent EMANCIPATION of all them “PO DARKIES”!!
The Confederacy never engaged in the Yankee “Scorched Earth” policies of BURNING EVERYTHING they could set fire to. But PAYBACK is A MOFO, as we all know, and now the YANKEE’S PET PO FOLKS is gwinne to start aburnin down the whole Damn NAWTH, whin de don’ts be a gittin de fotey acres ana mule.
Maybe we should start a Fund Drive to buy Gasoline, bottles and rags to send on up to Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Boston and New York City. Oh, almost forgot EXTRA shipments to Washington D.C.
ROTFLMAO
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 9:47amMaking guns illegal gives government total control. You want them to have that much control over you and what you can and cannot do? If you do, then go to England where supposedly they’ve removed guns from its citizens, except the bad guys, of course. If you don’t, then for heaven’s sake, tell your politicians to step down from this cause of his or you will do your best to tell others so he will not be re-elected. Guns aren’t evil. People are evil (some are). If evil people have guns, good people will die. If good people have guns, then evil people will die.
Report Post »SHOESHINEBOY
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:48pmSo…only the gang bangers, illegal’s, will carry…..sounds just like England…..
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:18pmNO it sounds like ILLINOIS..
Report Post »starman70
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:40pmNo, it sounds like New York City, Detroit, Philly, Miami, Trenton, NJ, ad infinitum. The drug dealers, gangs, pimps, robbers, home invaders, kidnappers and every other form of low life will always have guns. They don’t care about laws.
Laws restricting the right of the citizens to protect themselves are totally counterproductive. It opens every home to home invasion. It opens the door for carjackers, knowing that people can’t defend themselves. It opens the door for armed robbers to enter convienence stores, banks, grocery stores, restaurants and all other businesses knowing full well that no one has a concealed carry permit, that the business owner can’t protect his business or himself and no courageous customer might stop him.
California is already the most legislated state in the nation and yet has one of the highest crime rates.
Report Post »LAWS DON’T STOP CRIMINALS, BULLETS DO!!!
Dkoonz
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 7:32pmWhat do you expect coming from California.
Report Post »conservative510
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:48pmI live in LA. I carry mine concealed and loaded wrapped in a copy of the US Constitution.
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:05pm~~^^~~^^~~
Ahh I see you took some advice,“second amendment is my permit”, from Ted Nugent?!! :)
…”says Portantino, “doesn’t mean that gives that person the right to infringe on the rights of other people who aren’t comfortable.””?? WHAT?
What rights am I infringing on another by open carrying? Im sorry I missed that amendment in the Constitution about being comfortable, where do I get that copy citing that right?
Open Carry in CA is a travesty so much so many are even afraid to do that here b/c you will get some uneducated cop who will have the SWAT team on you in 2 secs. I’ve read on some open carry groups to do it at your own peril warning that even if you are right and get arrested be prepared to fight in court.
Someone explain to me how all current gun regs ARE NOT an infringement on the 2nd amendment? The 2nd isnt about hunting, sport shooting, its as Dr Hupp said in a Senate hearing following the Libby’s massacre http://youtu.be/M1u0Byq5Qis?t=5m8s (Im paraphrasing) “….its about our rights to protect all of ourselves from all of you…”! http://SavingtheRepublic.com
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:52pmConservative, thanks for having the courage to stay and fight for our state. Let’s clean up Sacramento!
Report Post »CitizenVetUSA
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:50pmAny one…………How can California prohibit the loaded open display carry anyway?
Report Post »Joisey
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:47pmYou know what this is all about: The Soros-Obama-Ayers Triumverate are planning London style riots by the welfare class for California as it goes into bankruptcy. They don’t want any of their darling, feral near-humans getting shot by store owners during the looting.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:25pmFeral near humans. LOL
Report Post »upstateny
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:39pmIs that like near beer?
Report Post »Dont-hate-on-me-2
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:48pmregardless of what law there is, its my right to have a gun. I will use said gun on anyone trying to take what little i got.
Report Post »shazam3
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:38pmDo you remember what happened in one of the recent riots in LA the thugs ran out of places to rob and went to the stores owned by the Koreans and a coup;e got shot by the Korean Private investigators hidden in the backrooms of the stores. The press went nuts about the shootings and implied it was entrapment and they were shot by illegal gun holders. They looked like idiots when it was found that there was a big group of Korean private investigators legally hired by the shop owners.
Report Post »Texan4ever
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:24pmIt would be funny if it weren’t so true.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:58pmI have a brother who lives on the far eastern side of the L.A. basin…He believes he’s safe there. Four years ago I sold him a Taurus .38 special revolver with speed-loaders, and this year as a going away gift when we went back there after vacation, I made sure he went back with 100 rds of fresh ammo….should have been more!
Report Post »GOTT-EM-MAUSER
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 9:20pmActually, the JEW COMMUNISTS you list, don‘t give a Rat’s A$$ about the fate of their Feral-Near-Humans. Once in power these folks ALWAYS KILL OFF ALL the “Useful Idiots” that got that power for them.
However, you’re dead right about not wanting the Citizens to be too well armed in the defense. IF that was to happen, then the Feral-Near-Humans might loose sufficient numbers, rapidly enough, so as to Greatly Diminish their Zeal for Rioting, Looting and Burning. That would surely throw a Major Kink into Heimen and Company’s plans. It’s impossible to Take Advantage of a Crisis, IF your Crisis peters out on it’s own.
Report Post »KeithOlberdink
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:46pmFrom my cold dead hands!
Report Post »Patriot Z
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:04pmi agree but just remember mate, thats not just a ‘cool saying’ that means at some point you will have to kill or be killed to protect your life, liberty.
Report Post »ozz
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 7:18amFrom my cold dead hands on a pile of smoking brass.
MOLON LABE!
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 9:57amPatriot Z:
Report Post »I do believe MOST responsible gun-toting citizens know and understand what they can and cannot do. Me, well, I train all the time with my gun. I want to be really sure that when I aim, I don’t miss. I have guns stashed throughout my home should I need them in a hurry. I have no children, so I am not afraid to leave them in drawers, etc., hidden and out of the way. I also have a whole-house alarm and dogs. So, if you come to my home and enter without permission, you’d better be sure YOU FACE THE CONSEQUENCES like the man you think you are. Yes, I will dial 911, as in our state, that is the first thing they will ask you. But, I will do this WHILE I AM SHOOTING THE INTRUDER and since my aim is so good (I have many trophies to prove it in competition), I WILL NOT MISS. So, if anyone is foolish enough to call my bluff, bring it on. I am a Christian and I will not hesitate to kill someone evil who is trespassing (if he has a gun). No, I will not shoot him if he has no gun, but I will give him a warning shot. The next one will aim straight for the head or heart IF he does not stop. I never take my gun off, except going to bed and then it is under my pillow for quick access. I LOVE THIS COUNTRY.
turkey13
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:46pmCalifornia was already on my no fly list and if they don’t recognize my carry permit they always will. I wanted to takemy grandsons to see the Red woods but it probably will never happen. I expect the California legislator to pass a law any day that all trees over 25 feet be cut down and of course it would be signed into law by Brown.
Report Post »VaVetVoice
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:46pmThis is another reason why I don’t live in Califonia anymore. Londoners are finding out what happens when no one is permitted to carry a gun! If Cali want to follow suit then only thugs, theives and lawbreakers will have them. Let‘s ask your everyday Drug Smuggler coming across the border to the South to leave his gun behind in his homeland and let’s see how that works too. Great example of the marvelous wisdom coming from the land of Nuts, Fruits and Flakes. They get what they deserve. I want the rest of the US to divorce California and leave them to thier own demise. NY your next! and don’t get too comfortable Mass!
Report Post »shazam3
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:44pmThe thieves and thugs already out gun the state police. look what happened at the Bank of America in north Hollywood a couple of years ago. If those thugs had some smarts they would have walked away with it.
Report Post »C. Schwehr
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 7:00pmSHAZAM3: The responce by LA police was to equip squad cars with a semi-auto varmint rifle. Ridiculous!
Report Post »Seabee79
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:46pmMore then likely this will pass outlawing open carrying. but then will go to the courts to be sorted out. after all cal has all liberal douche bags in power.
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. it does not say a state has to let you carry one in public, but it all hinges on what the meaning of (bear arms) means.
Among the many heated controversies concerning the Second Amendment is the correct meaning of the phrase keep and bear arms. Those who argue that the original meaning of the Second Amendment was only to protect a collective right, either of the states to maintain militias, or perhaps of citizens to jointly form state-controlled militias, assert that bear arms refers exclusively or at least overwhelmingly, to the military carrying of weapons. Some have claimed that even keep arms was exclusively military in its meaning. While one might challenge the overly narrow focus on bear arms instead of the entire phrase keep and bear arms, those arguing for a collective right have thrown down the gauntlet by making this strong claim about just two words. This paper demonstrates that the Founding Generation did not understand bear arms as limited to military or collective militia duty but saw it as merely one way of expressing the concept of possession (as a modern speaker might say carry a gun).
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:55pmGreat analysis of the liberal spin on the 2nd. It is pretty clear that the founders meant for the “personal” right to carry arms; considering they all had them with them everywhere they went, including Independence Hall.
Report Post »FSM_47
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 5:00pmIt is all about that pesky comma in the 2nd amendment — the first part is an intro. The second part defines the amendment.
Report Post »Robbrown
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 8:08pmThere is no interpretation needed. The Founders left a clue even the slow ones couldnt miss. WE THE PEOPLE. that large font isnt an accident. They were very clear about who and what. US!! WE!!
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 10:00amThere are two outcomes your thesis. If a liberal president appoints 2 more liberals to the Supreme Court and someone challenges the CCW, then ALL GUNS WILL BE TAKEN AWAY. You know that, right? This is why I have buried a lot of my guns and ammo. There will be a day that we will need them and they may be worth more than gold.
Report Post »Navydad1998
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:44pmI lived in CA twice by military orders and I learned very quickly I would never live there of my own choice and I’ve warned my kids to NEVER move there unless they want their personal lives controlled to the point of near slavery and loss of privacy. I’d sooner live out of my car than ANYWHERE in that state.
Report Post »MyTurnNow
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:44pmCarry unloaded? And I’m sure they have **** on boar hogs in the land of fruits and nuts. Can the rest of the country secede from California?
OMG!
Report Post »tankyjo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:43pmThe vast majority of CCW holders, or people who carry openly, carry first, for the safety of the community, and second, for self protection. I propose an experiment, 50,000 law abiding CCW holders in L.A. No weapons in Frisco, report back in six months. Forget you libs who fear the “wild west syndrome”, you care squat about “life” in the first place.
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:45pmIt’s been proven statistically that the biggest deterrent to crime is open carry. Having lived in San Francisco for three months I can attest to the fact that California governments are the Crazy Eddy of governments: Everything they do is IIINSAAANE!
Report Post »republic2011
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:43pmCA sucks. I live here and I pray for a conservative takeover like Wisconsin. When the riots come, I’ll be ready. I am armed and will do whatever it takes to stay that way.
Report Post »mossbrain
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:51pmYou folks just live in the wrong areas of California. There’s still good areas. I’ve never seen a black man on my street in 20 years or heard of anyone getting burglarized here. Just yesterday I drove over 100 miles on paved roads without seeing a single car or person. When you spend the whole day outdoors without any other human contact you see real fast how abnormal society is the instant you come back and turn on the tv.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:00pmThe good areas need to band together and make their own state.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:28pmMossbrain, do you have any idea what a racist idiot you just made yourself out to be?
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:17pmYou do have a point!
Report Post »Liberty1791
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:41pmThis is a Federal right not a state issue– It should go to the Supreme Court if the Assh#@es pass it!
I will open carry if I dont get my CCW that I just applied for. Things suck here in CA where criminals are being let out and cops are being laid off.
Power to the law-abiding citizens!!!!
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:05pmIt does not help when one video after another (by the same major moron) goes viral, featuring the idiot walking down city streets, near businesses, etc…carrying an AK47!
The moron gets a kick out of acting like a ****** asking again and again what law he is breaking, is he under arreat, refusing to show his ID to the police. He “thinks” he is showing cops trying to break the open carry law and trying to intimidate him…all he is doing in reality is hurting actual open carry individuals and making it so eventually no cop will respond when someone calls about a man with a gun near a school, post office, etc.
If I ever saw this idiot in the process of walking along carrying a shotgun or AK, video taping while baiting & waiting for a citizen to call the police…he is going to be a grease spot on my tires.
Report Post »Gary Fishaholic
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:07pmAgreed!!
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:15pmBTW, I know many will argue against this, but the guy in the video is using a SERPA holster…PLEASE do not use these. They are linked to numerous accidental discharges. You actually have to depress a spot on the holster to release the firearm…problem is that “spot” is right where the trigger is. You are almost pulling the trigger already to relase the firearm (with the plastic of the holster in the way) and pulling up to draw your weapon. It is quite easy for a novice to continue the squeeze as they draw and fire the weapon.
Too many other options out there to be using this gimmick holster.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:30pmIf you pause the tape at 2:52 you will see what I mean.
Report Post »caexpat
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:41pmI moved!!!!!
Report Post »Ryan Beaulieu
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:44pmMake more rules and regulations. It helps detour criminals who don’t follow or care about rules.
//end sarcasm
Seriously though, Its like enacting tax regulations for people who work in the government. They still won’t pay their taxes.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:41pmSo, if we enact these dangerous laws, criminals and nut cases like Jared Loughner will follow the letter of the law? Back off the medical marijuana California!
Report Post »ConservativeResponse
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:40pmAnother example why California is a complete failure.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:39pmThat‘s great you can carry open but unloaded what’s the point? just to get yourself killed.California is run by progressives, people who are irrational and should never be in a position of power.
Report Post »Seabee79
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:47pmit only takes a few second to pop a mag in the gun.
Report Post »I_Hate_Libs
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:39pmBut you do need a hand gun to protect you after you leave the starbucks in California because you never know when a liberal is going to pop a cap in you.
The horror of the Democrat mind.
Report Post »cosette
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:39pmThe comment in the heading of the story says it all.”We don’t care what the law is” is precisely WHY we need to be armed! There are TOO many thugs who don’t care about the law who would like you to become their next victim. Arm yourselves!
Report Post »LadyIzShy
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:38pmwhat the heck you cant conceal carry? and you cant open carry a LOADED gun? i may only be poor white female tea party hobbit but ummm why would you open carry UNLOADED??? when I open carry it IS loaded same as if i conceal carry.. whats the point of having to stop and LOAD bullets in it when someone is trying to rob ya? wow see I went to CA to live but couldnt stand it and came home to MI in 4 months.. that was years ago, MI isnt great but its NOT CA.. what are those people thinking? they want to be like Norway, that man shot all those people and the police had to ASK PERMISSION to shoot at him???? that is INSANE
Report Post »Old Truckers
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:41pmI’m sure all the criminals in California care about this conversation.
Report Post »XLibertyOrDethX
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:25pmSo, you saying criminals are more or less likely to rob the person carrying a gun? Just imagine if someone in Norway could have returned fire because they were carrying a gun. How much less devastating could public shootings could be if all law abiding people carried guns? How much less random crime would occur? We will never know, because according to liberal “pundits” the wording of the second ammendment is unclear.-
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:37pmUm, can someone please explain to me why anyone would live in California? Can’t we force secession there? If you want a place to build a fence, how about around California?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:48pmI wonder if we could sell it for $14 Trillion?
Report Post »XScramblerX
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 6:31pmCall China!
Too funny Gonzo!
TEA!
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:37pmTo open cary, I believe you should have no less than a level 2 retion holster.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:43pmWhy? So your UNLOADED pistol doesn’t fall out? You’ve fallen for the “government should control everything” mindset. You lose.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:35pmI hate living in CA… I loathe it…
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:38pmCalifornia doesn’t need to be part of the Union. Begone you crazies.
Report Post »miketheartist
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:39pmMe too…
http://www.miketheartist.net
Report Post »AlmostaCowboy
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:40pmMe too, bud. For the first time in my life I feel trapped. Wife and I were planning on retiring to TN the end of the year, but house is worth 38% of 2006 value, 401k‘s are tanked and now we’re too afraid to quit our jobs.
Report Post »HELP. I AM BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA! Much like NJ, I can leave but I can’t take my money.
republapig
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:41pmI moved from LA thirty years ago. I still hate it there.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:41pmThat’s why I left 20 years ago… Moved to the Midwest where it still feels like America.
Whenever I Visit friends in Cookyfornia, I always carry, Loaded and Concealed. One would have to be crazy not to.
I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Got Sig?
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:44pmMove to a RED State and you will feel like you have died and gone to heaven! Please leave all facial piercings and ear stretchers when you leave!
Report Post »Bill in Texas
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:44pmThats why I moved to Texas! Oh and no state income tax. lol
Report Post »Ken Compton
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:47pmSo move to Texas. Once your here for 90 days as a declared citizen you can put a loaded gun on the front seat of your car. Right to carry concealed is a one day class and shooting proficiency test.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:47pmWe can’t leave either. Our properties is worth next to nothing because of the economy so we couldn’t even sell it I we wanted to without going broke…
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 3:51pm“Please leave all facial piercings and ear stretchers when you leave!”
Report Post »Then you have nothing to fear from this Libertarian! I have very personal conservative values too.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:20pmBrain-dead liberals don’t understand that law-abiding citizens carrying firearms, is a deterrent to street crime and also to our tyrannical government.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on August 10, 2011 at 4:48pmDon’t, the rest of the country isn’t all that.
Report Post »Government Gone WIld
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 4:39pmWake up GURU, I lived in CA for long enough to know THEY are your masters.
The CA assault weapons ban, SB 23, is just one example of that fact!
Report Post »Government Gone WIld
Posted on August 11, 2011 at 5:09pmOne more observation, because of CA’s sick propensity to be “diverse and multicultural” the standards for hiring PO’s has been diminished to point where any moron with a semi-clean background can get a legal license to kill while the sheep feel smug and protected that is until some thug who doesn’t give a damn about the law assaults them, then it’s “we obviously don’t have enough laws to stop criminals from getting weapons, so lets enact even more oppressive guns laws”!
This is the mentality of the sheep in the metro-sexual areas of California, the rest of CA is out numbered and as a result you get elected politicians, like commie Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown, Nasty Pelosi, BarBar Boxhead, and many others!
The US Constitution was put into place to stop states from such tyranny but the Supreme Court has been packed with cowardly lawyers who listen to what the communist/socialist MGMSM has to say rather than the justifications for the rights of the people as laid out by the Founders in the Federalist Papers.
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