California Legislature Passes Nation‘s First Bill Banning Gay ’Conversion Therapy’
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California’s state legislature this week passed a first-of-its-kind ban on controversial therapy aimed at turning gay and lesbian youth straight, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
The fate of the legislation banning so-called “conversion” or “reparative therapy” for minors — even if their parents request it — now rests with Gov. Jerry Brown (D). He has not taken a public position on the issue. The legislation passed in the California assembly on Tuesday and a final version was approved by the state Senate Thursday.
If signed, the law would apply only to licensed psychologists and professional therapists, not counseling offered by religious groups, the Wall Street Journal reported.
Supporters of the measure say conversion therapy is ineffective and can contribute to depression and even suicide among LGBT youth.
“These attempts are quackery and this kind of psychological abuse of children must stop,” said state Sen. Ted Lieu (D), the bill’s author.
Several openly gay lawmakers cited their own personal experiences while championing the bill during a floor debate, Reuters reported.
“One of our No. 1 priorities in this house is to protect the next generation of Californians,” Assemblyman Ricardo Lara (D) said. “And some of those are sissy boys. And some of those sissy boys grow up to be assembly members. And some of those sissy boys need help. And we are here to stand with those sissy boys.”
The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality has vowed to challenge the legislation in court if Brown signs it into law, calling it a “dangerous trend toward limiting the right of families to seek mental health care for some aspects of their children’s lives.”
Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Campaign, sent a letter to Brown urging him to sign the legislation.
“Your support for SB1172 would send a strong message to LGBT youth everywhere that their lives are valuable and they are perfect just the way they are,” Griffin wrote, according to the Chronicle.
Brown has until Sept. 30 to sign the bill, veto it or allow it to take effect without his signature on Jan. 1.
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paperpushermj
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:17pmWhat we are seeing is a sense of possession from self appointed leaders. Their Gay so keep them within the support structure we have built for them. The same mind set is found within the deaf community with their disapproval of Technology that helps the non-hearing hear. This sense of possession I think is no friend to those within the group.
Report Post »ronin_6
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:50pmVery insightful. Well said.
Report Post »symphonic
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:51pmI will tell you what ELSE is QUACKERY. It is the idea that sexual fantasies are BORN that way. No, they are learned.
Report Post »hi
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:31pmThis goes against religious freedom. Homosexuality is a sin and parents have the authority to help their kid overcome this sin.
Report Post »DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:07pmIt has been proven these so called therapies DON’T WORK.
Report Post »That’s the issue.
Wurlitzer28
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:42pmI see Dora is 100% consistently wrong. Some can be changed and to claim otherwise is simply just another lie-beral lie.
Just another troll hoping someone will believe their lies.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:03pmWhether or not they CAN change is immaterial–the question that is more important is why SHOULD they change, just to satisfy the, granted popular here, prejudicial preconceptions of an archaic myth? It is Christian theology that has failed to justify its moral judgments with anything other than an empty and conclusory appeal to authority. If we rational people are to accept what they claim, that a certain behavior is immoral and to be proscribed, then the burden of proof rests upon them to persuade as as to WHY we should accept their proposition and reject alternative conclusions, particularly in light of the grave moral judgment that it entails passing upon up to 1/10th of the human populace. If we are to say that around 1/10th of the human race is morally at fault for its sexual attractions, then we’d better have a DAMN COMPELLING REASON given for doing so, and at no point in history have Christians offered us anything coming close to compelling rationale. All they have given us on the subject is ignorant emotional prejudice, reinforcing preexisting stereotypes, but never justifying the existence of those stereotypes in the first place.
You are welcome to you religious beliefs, logically unjustified though they are, but for those who place a premium on logical validity, we are under no obligation, indeed we have a duty to reject insufficient ratiocination, to respect or accept your claims prima facie when no legitimate reason for doing so has been offered.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:05pmTTA – Yet you lefties can’t prove that homosexuality is born that way.
Report Post »Keatonc333
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:08pmYou are forgetting the freedom from religion part of the first amendment
Report Post »GenOptimus
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:15pm@dora Once again you’re talking out of your backside. There are countless people out there who have been helped. The fact is that you want to pretend like it’s natural so you can f#ck with anyone you want and not feel convicted.
Report Post »antitheist
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:21pmLeft-handedness is a sin, and I believe parents have a right to correct that sinful behavior. According to the bible, left handed people are fools Ecclesiastes 10:2 “A wise man’s heart is at his right hand; but a fool’s heart at his left.” Where is the justified christian outrage? Why are we not doing more to correct this sinful behavior of left-handedness? Parents should have the right to cut off their children’s left hand if it has to come to that.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:24pmWurlitzer28
Robert Spitzer was one of the psychiatrists, who was one of those that delisted homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973.
He conducted a study on conversion therapy because he was asked to. All of his subjects were gays who volunteered (i.e. he did not put them under duress). He used the tools of psychology that he had been using all along.
His conclusion was that since among volunteers, who did not want to be gay it was very hard to stop being gay, that conversion therapy success was extremely rare (let’s say less than 5%) or less than 1%).
For this sin the LGBT lobby went to General Quarters & the APA went to red alert. they pilloried him in the press. They probably threatened to de-credential him & not invite him to any APA gatherings.
The MSM does not tell us the truth now. If Spitzer got death threats, would they tell us?
So Spitzer recanted. No APA did wants to replicate the experiment or tell us what was wrong with it. All this retards the advancement of psychology as a science.
Remember Hitler had a 100 scientists saying that Einstein’s theories were wrong. There was a consensus against Einstein. Well the APA like Hitler can’t be wrong. They have a consensus.
So if Dora spews, believe her or him or it or whatever it is.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:28pmPlease read this article. It will tell you all the effects of publicly endorsing homosexuality, aka, the gay marriage debate. With Massachusets as one of the clearest, best case studies in modern, recorded times.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:33pmWe need smarter gay trolls. Maybe we could convince some readers at JoeMyGod to post here as guest posters. I wouldn‘t suggest the readers of Perez Hilton’s site because these trolls are as dumb as those people. All they have is a few crib sheets on the Bible & very little knowledge of genetics. Not a one of them can spell epigenetics much less argue from that standpoint. All mouth & @ss & no brains.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:40pmD’oh I forgot the link
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm_2012/index.html
Report Post »Melika
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 7:54pm@ Walkabout: There are plenty of physicist then and now who feel that Einstein set the study of physics back 100 years with his theories. We are only now coming out of the quagmire that he created. His mathematical theories are akin to the flat earth theory: they only work when you see a tiny portion of the nature of the Universe, otherwise they completely fall apart. Particle (quantum) physics is proving that every day, so Hitler and his scientists were right.
Report Post »black9897
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:10pmIt doesn‘t matter if they work or if they are lies and don’t work. The point is you can’t ban stuff. Unless they were being forced to go to the therapy, you can’t ban it! Another absurd law.
Report Post »Johnnychemonic
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 8:17pm@ Third Archon: Whether or not they can change is very material to the current article and discussion. For someone who seems to value logic as much as you seem to this should be obvious, you freaking Vulcan. Instead you make charges against Christianity saying that it is illogical and has no legitimate argument that homosexuals should change. That statement can’t possibly be rebutted in the limited space of this thread. It shows that you really have no knowledge of what Christian philosophy has said about God’s existence or why homosexuals should change. Furthermore, by your use of logic we should probably be ok with incest and beastiality as well because we Christians haven‘t met your standard of logical reasoning for why a person shouldn’t do these things. Here is the beginning of a logical argument for why a homosexual should want to change: To say something is “natural” or “unnatural” in the moral sense is a commentary on natural function, not natural behavior (behavior that we observe in the natural world). An argument against homosexuality on the grounds that it is unnatural, then, is an argument based on natural law, not the great outdoors. Homosexuality is unnatural, not because it is absent from the natural world, but because it repudiates the natural purpose of our sexuality in favor of a self-made purpose.
Report Post »You can take that as a start for one of many arguments that are out there, try doing some research. There, now you can’t say we have no logical argum
Git-R-Done
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:00pmAntitheist – It’s you atheists that are pushing the lie of homosexuality being born that way. Just like you crazy leftists are trying to push the global warming lie. You leftists are just untrustworthy people.
Report Post »garylee123
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:19pmDora…there is nothing there saying that. All it says is: “Supporters of the measure say conversion therapy is ineffective and can contribute to depression and even suicide among LGBT youth.” That’s “supporters” and “can” not will. Others are “Several openly gay lawmakers cited their own personal experiences while championing the bill during a floor debate” And we all know that they don’t have ANY agenda to change rules and laws. Right?
Report Post »Al J Zira
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 9:39pm@antitheist: Moron! God was talking about the conservative right as opposed to the liberal left which we all know are fools.
Report Post »TeresaJ
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:51am@ The Third Archon
Most sins do indeed have a tangible, physical consequence that can be seen if one does not ignore the truth. Homosexual acts are highly risky health-wise. No doctor, no matter how much he might agree or disagree with the practice, can deny that homosexual practices are unnatural to the human body, and put persons practicing such acts at unnecessary risk.
That is just the physical consequences. The psychological ones are harder to pin down. Currently, LGBT “awareness” groups are trying to advocate that the high substance abuse typical of homosexuals is because of “homophobia.” Apparently, this is even a world-wide phenomena. But is it really “homophobia” that is the cause, or that deep inside, the person knows that something is wrong with them? Feelings of shame are not exclusive to homosexuals, nor is destructive behavior. Lifting shame from destructive behavior serves about the same purpose as removing pain from a bleeding cut. You will still bleed to death.
“If we rational people… etc,” If we were rational people, we would consider all possibilities rather than come to a certain conclusion simply out of rebellion. Rationally, homosexual practices are dangerous and unhealthy. Rationally, we wouldn’t encourage such a practice as a norm, especially when we don’t know if it is safe. Denial of the obvious does not negate the real facts. That is, all sexual immorality is a drain on the individual, the public, and resources.
Report Post »KStret
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 2:11am3rd,
Report Post »Has it occurred to you that someone who is gay might not want to be? They might want to lead a normal life and have children.
SLEAZYHIPPOs ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 3:58pm@ TTA….The LGTB community has a very vested interest in seeing these types of treatment centers shut down. First of all it suggest homosexuality, as it used to be considered in psychiatry, is a condition that needs to be corrected or treated. Secondly, it would argue against the montra we always hear about being born homosexual. Finally, it would undermine the idea that it is OK to be gay. Again, there is no “gay” gene. There are some very well designed studies of monozygotic twins that demonstrate that the “gay” gene does not exist or if it does it is so inconsequential and easily overcome by environment as to be insignificant in the development of sexuality. As far as Christians producing reasons why homosexuality is wrong is really a question that puts the cart before the horse. First, the logical question is, Does the Christian God (Creator and Moral Judge of humanity) exist? If so what does he say regarding homosexuality if anything. Of course, I have argued for a while that the evidence is extensive for God‘s existence and although many today want to twist scripture to fit their lifestyles and justify their behaviors God’s word is clear that homosexuality is a sin before God. Until you come to the place of lQQking at the evidence for God’s existence and why the bible is His communication to humanity you will never accept the harmful lifestyle of homosexuality as an immoral way of living….Again it is the battle of 2 worldviews we see at war…thank y
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:23pmWell I know that psychology is a soft science, but having dumb politicians dictate what is good mental health practice to men and women who have literally studied in the mental health field for years, seems suspect to me. If being homosexual is normal, why are they pushing so hard to convince the rest of us?
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:36pmI don’t think homosexuality is “normal” but i do think people have the right to choose abnormality. If an adult chooses to enter this type of “therapy” they have my blessing. To give parents the green light to shove their kids into some kind of indoctrination counseling every time their wrist goes limp is downright cruel and cowardly. Set a heterosexual precedent for them to follow and if they still turn out gay, oh well, you did your job. They made their own choice.
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:20pm@ east
Report Post »Thar be wisdom in your words.
MastrSSG
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:01pm@EAST
Report Post »So whats next? where does it stop? where does the government end and good parenting begin? And who gets to decide?
MastrSSG
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:09pmoops I hit send by accident…..
So what about breast feeding? Does the government have the right to tell you breast feeding is a requirement for all mothers? What about foods we eat or soda we drink, should the government have the right to tell us when and how much we can eat? (Nothing bigger than 16oz) No more wheat or flower? What about being a vegan? When I said 20 yrs ago that the government was going to ban soda after banning smoking I was called a nutball and people laughed at me. It was a ridiculous idea and I was stupid for even thinking government would get involved in our diet.
Report Post »U.N.hater
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:16pmThis is the crapp that happens when our tax dallors are used for social programs. I liked it better when sex was in the bedroom.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:20pmAll the gay people I know do have sex in the bedroom. It’s not their fault that you can’t stop thinking about what they do there.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:06pmChet – Yet here you lefties are trying to push the lie that homosexuality is born that way.
Report Post »FreedomIsResponsability
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:08pmIt is their fault that they keep having literal parades trumpeting their sexual preferences for every age group to behold. Keep your kink to yourself.
Report Post »BadBadTiger
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:52amReply to CHET, NONE of they gay people I know have sex in their bedrooms; its usually out in public places likes parks and public restrooms or gay bathhouses. Get a grip!
Report Post »LibertyAllTheWay
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:10pmI believe you are not born gay! You may be born with tendencies, but saying that you are born that way is taking away your freedom. You choose to be gay or not!
Report Post »DLV
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:34pmI agree with you. I don’t think people are born gay that being said, I don’t think you choose to be gay either. I think it’s just sin and what sinful tendencies people act upon. I could choose to be gay right now but believe me I’d be very uncomfortable and could not get into the lifestyle if you are hetero. The whole thing would be upsetting despite the fact I would make a choice to be gay. It’ just sin plain and simple like everything else humans do.
Report Post »DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:08pmYour post contradicts itself.
Report Post »Keatonc333
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:09pmWow, and im sure you remember the exact moment that you chose to be straight right?
Report Post »GenOptimus
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:22pm@Dora Kind of like your brain
Report Post »DLV
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:37pmKeatonic- People are born straight because they have the instinct to reproduce and continue humanity. Evolution. Bing done. Move on. Being gay is not natural because you can’t reproduce being Gay. It’s just a sin like many other things and people act on the sin.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:18pmWow genoptimus, that was brilliant.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:09pmIf homosexuality is genetic, how come if one identical twin is gay the other is gay only 11% of the time?
Could gays be lying to the public non stop?
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:28pmMaybe 89% of them have undergone “conversion therapy”
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:05pmEastinfection
Maybe 89% of them have undergone “conversion therapy”
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In Sweden?
They investigated 7,000 twins. I think they would know if they went to a clinic.
But is all for the best. Some of those guys are going to have to learn to like @ss. There are so many Muslims in Sweden now, they’ll take all the women. It is best to say sour grapes, to say you never liked women, than to admit some guys took them from you.
What do you think bullying is all about? From a Darwinian stand point it is about resources & mating. So pecking orders naturally occur. How do you establish a pecking order? Well one way is to bully, to put someone down. Are we getting close to the truth?
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:06pm@WALK.. it was joke. are you always this serious? You obviously take this issue pretty seriously. I don’t. I think gays are WEIRD, i don’t think they are ILL. I also think the whole concept of homosexuality is just plain funny.
Report Post »DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:12pmwhee in heck did you get that ridiculous statistic.
Report Post »Only about 5% of identical twins have different sexual orientations and they were no
doubt bi at birth.
Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:29pmWhere are any of you getting your ridiculous statistics? Polls? Designed and answered by fallible lying human beings? Gimme a break! My point is this… Why should i, or any of you, give two Hershey squirts about where somebody else puts their mouth? I dont think its genetic but could care less if it is. As long as nobody tries to put anything in MY rear, i DON’T CARE. …and you know what? ..if you really want to traumatize your kids with “FRUITIER THAN GRAPES” Bachman’s witchcraft- go for it. I dare you…. I double dare you.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:45pmDOra Glasberg
Like I said gays lie to the public non-stop. The link mentioned the 2007 Swedish study.
Report Post »As we all know Sweden is a very safe, very socialist country. Therefore whatever they do is gospel to the left. After all the left is always telling Americans that we should be more enlightened like the Europeans.
Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:58pmEastinfection
Maybe 89% of them have undergone “conversion therapy”
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The psychiatrist who said that it was possible for conversion therapy to work was one of the psychiatrists who said delisted homosexuality as a mental disease in 1973. He was dog-piled by TPTB. He said a mea culpa & therefore he might be sufficiently rehabilitated by the left that they may deign to give him an eulogy in a few years. That & the last few years of his life he won’t have to receive crank calls from Dan Savage & Perez Hilton followers. But it must really bug you. Because you are deathly afraid that conversion therapy might have an 89% success rate. Therefore you are stuck at the keyboard fighting the good (in your mind) the good fight. The psychiatrists said that conversion therapy worked but only in a few cases (i.e a low conversion rate). But that was too dangerous for the TPTB at the APA.
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Where are any of you getting your ridiculous statistics?
I linked them. Did you not follow the link? It was to blogspot.com The particular page referenced the Swedish study. “Me thinks” you are running scared.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:54pmEven if it’s not genetic, that doesn’t mean you aren’t born that way. The possibility of a teratogenic origin generally goes undiscussed, not because there is any scientific reason to dismiss it, but because it would not be completely satisfactory to either side in the political debate.
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:31pm@WALKABOUT.. running scared? no. running errands for my family. i don’t live in here. No i didn’t follow your link. last time i followed some link in here i was rewarded with a virus.. so no thanks. If you followed my bouncing ball right on the damned page you‘ll see that i don’t put much faith in psychological studies, polls, ghost stories or agenda-driven research- much less from a place like Sweden where the sample population has as diverse a chromosome base as West Virginia. You want to find evidence of a “cure” for homosexuality, so you dig till you find it. Hope you finally find that cure for that loved one you’re obviously trying to save. “Me thinks” its the (wo)man in your mirror perhaps”
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:01pmCalifornia is so far beyond corrupt …. don’t see any clear way for the sub-society to get back to normal.
Report Post »freedomisasfreedomdoes
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:58pm“One of our No. 1 priorities in this house is to protect the next generation of Californians,” Assemblyman Ricardo Lara (D) said. “And some of those are sissy boys. And some of those sissy boys grow up to be assembly members. And some of those sissy boys need help. And we are here to stand with those sissy boys.”
Sissy boys? Wow. Party of Tolerance? Party of Acceptance? Party of Open-mindedness? huh. So all gay people are sissies Mr. Ricardo Lara? How many gay people have you ever surrounded yourself with, let alone KNEW? There are quite a few large body building, health and fitness-ized gay men and women. That can kick rear. So Sissies? Americans = sissies? huh
Report Post »At what point will those who championing open-mindedness (by those who believe they experience discrimmination based on sexual preference) going to realize who they have really aligned themselves with (party base wise not individual)? Legislators who call them rather stereotypically, sissies, is what they want representing them? Thought they were trying to fight against stereotypes.
Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:31pmActually quite a few gay men are body builders. I suspect some are body builders for the same reason the body guard character in the film “Victor Victoria” gave. Other body build so they can pick up other guys & be a TOP. A top is a new term I learned this year. Reading about tops & bottoms, obsession with packages & seeing pictures of gay couples, I have learned & re-learned that gays a psychiatric basket cases. Sure gays can be high functioning individuals just like some drunks can be deceptively high function individuals for long periods of time.
Report Post »Getting back couples, did you look at Dan Savage & his girlfriend. If you told me that they both worked out & would believe it. If you told me that Dan took steroids or worked out more & that his girlfriend did not, I would not be shocked. Why would Dans’ girlfriend not try to be all he could be in the athletic realm? Because if he bulked up more than Dan there would be problems? So how healthy is the gay lifestyle choice?
I disrespect silicone b00bs & steroid built muscles. I can see why a person would be sorely tempted to use steroids. With all the pecking order BS that humanity hasn’t shed & the gay community is not immune.
Recently (about 4 mo. ago) one of those body building gays died. His body couldn’t take all the steroids & club drugs. He was in his mid 30s. Joe Jeebus posted an article on him in blogspot.com. I think many go into fitness overdrive after being picked on or to make it in the gay pe
wianno94
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:30pmNext week the California legislature will vote on bills to stop chemotherapy, coronary by-passes, and appendectomies.
Report Post »NukeHaze
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:37pmFrowned upon to therapeutically treat a mental condition or choice (not something one is born with) but smiled upon to abort babies. Stepping back this looks more like population control by encouraging homosexual behaviour and infanticide. I believe you could call this Orwellian.
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:45pmThose are all real procedures. The day someone invents a way to slice somebody open and remove the “gayness” is when those comparisons will be relevant. Trying to convince a queer that they are not gay is like trying to persuade a vegan that beef is better for you. Makes sense to you and me but, to them, you’re wasting your time.
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:47pm@ NUKEHAZE.. funny, i was just thinking how Orwellian the practice of “conversion therapy” sounds.
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:04pmEastInfection: It is unlikely ‘science’ will find a way to surgically remove a chosen behavior. Oh – are you still pushing the “It’s not my fault; it’s those damned genes” silliness ????
Report Post »Hausmaus
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:09pmI get the feeling that the next legislation is going to make it illegal to give birth in California. But, as long as you are willing to abort, then any month during the gestation period is ok.
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:25pm@ VOTERIGHTDAMMIT: you just said the same thing i did. surgery and psychological therapy were being presented as the same thing. i just pointed out that they are not. PS: i think all social behaviors are chosen. Like alcoholism or heroine addiction. Ever try to force someone to quit doing dope or drinking? WASTE OF TIME.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:46pmEastinfection
They are modeling human brains now. When they have dozens to experiment with, psychology will become a hard science. Where will the instructors teaching queer theory run?
The people going into Marcus Bachmann’s clinic do so by choice. So the odds are rather better at helping them
Report Post »DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:09pmDo some homework before displaying your ignorance.
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:16pm@WALK… (a) psychology will never be a hard science. Only “i know- whats- best- for- you” libs would ever be convinced otherwise. (b) Volunteers? this bill is about forcing children to be “converted”. How many kids are going, “hey- mom, dad, i think its time to sign me up for Gay Conversion Therapy”?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 3:49pmEastinfection
(a) psychology will never be a hard science
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If you believe in atheism, determinism & Darwinism then yes psychology will be a hard science.
If you are religious or spiritual or whatever you call it then there will always be wiggle room as to people choosing to do things or not do things.
BTW I think you are trying the soft touch at propaganda. you just can’t help yourself.
Report Post »GenOptimus
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:26pm@dora You should take your own advice and stop looking stupid all over this site.
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 5:18pmwianno94
Report Post »You will still be able to get chemotherapy, but that darn meddling government will continue to prevent people from falsely telling you that laetril or orgone boxes can cure cancer.
Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:42pm@WALK.. so you’re a determined atheistic homophobic Darwinist? ..and you also practice amateur psychology? LOL.. you must get some strange looks when you hand out your business cards Doc.
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 6:48pmalso WALK, if i’m reading through your foggy hieroglyphics correctly, i’m gathering that you flat-out deny free will. Is this correct? If so why are you trying to persuade people in here you are right if they have no “wiggle room” to make their own choices? Why waste your time?
Report Post »wordweaver
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:24pmRevolting, but hardly surprising. This will be a controversial issue as long as there is uncertainty as to whether the homosexuality is genetic or a life-style choice.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:41pmI would say it is mostly caused by the environment. People who want to change should be able to find psychiatrists in their state who are willing to help them.
The LGBT lobby is evil. How do I justify that statement? The LGBT lobby does not want fewer gays just like the Deaf community does not want fewer deaf people. The Deaf community have gone to court tom prevent parents form obtaining surgery to correct their kid’s hearing problem. They reason that if too many parents opt for such surgery, then the Deaf culture/community will die out. The gays are the same way. Therefore, the gay lobby is evil.
http://culturecampaign.blogspot.com/2008/06/swedish-twin-study-homosexuality-mostly.html
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:08pmHmmm that’s a very intriguing connection walkabout.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 2:51pmThe_Cabrito_Goat
I don’t quote the Bible. I find it full of wisdom, but the gay lobby has a playbook on it. They like nothing better than to ridicule & lampoon anyone who quotes the bible. When I posted on Fox News, I found that gay activists. would reply to anyone quoting the bible, but usually were slow to reply to anyone who quoted research. Some would & would acquit themselves somewhat well, but most fled in terror.
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:39pmI’ll keep that strategy in mind. There’s really no point discussing the bible with those whose minds are closed off.
Report Post »BadBadTiger
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:53amWho you stick your D*CK into is ALWAYS a choice, and I am a gay man. :)
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 2, 2012 at 1:19pmUh thank you very much lol
Report Post »bannedfromCNN
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:16pmI just occurred to me what the term ‘leading from behind’ means, in this case.
Report Post »SCREW-WINDOWS
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:00pmYou cannot fix a broken mind no matter how much weed you smoke.
Report Post »OneTermPresident
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:59amJust when you think you’ve heard it all…. here comes the Californica Democrats… again.
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:26pmIn that case they should ban all gay centered movies, books, t.v. shows, etc too. Because THEY are abusive forms of indoctrination and should be banned.
Report Post »NukeHaze
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:39pmYes the propaganda is apparently okay if it is pushing the agenda of Newspeak and INGSOC.
Report Post »bdandsl
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:57amAnother attempt to limit a parent’s authority. We can not spank our kids – spankings are beatings]. We can not teach our kids that some words or actions are shameful [might damage their self-esteem]. We have no choice in their education [must accept gov't propaganda unless can afford private education]. Everyone gets a trophy regardless of accomplishment [self-esteem, again]. The list gpes on and on…
Any wonder this state is the laughing stock of the country.
Native Californian
Report Post »Tractorboy
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:16pmBDANDSL, Your state is a re-education camp, as is mine NY, they have progressed spledidly in the last few years, can’t wait to see what they have in store for us in the next few years if things keep going the way they are.
Report Post »vanderleun
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:52amRicardo Lara (D) said. “And some of those are sissy boys. And some of those sissy boys grow up to be assembly members. And some of those sissy boys need help. And we are here to stand with those sissy boys.”
Better put any boys Ricardo “helps” on suicide watch and rectal repair.
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:48amAnyone who wants to change their behavior and seek help should have the right to do so…this is so evil! Condemn a person, or a child to a substandard way of life…sadness, disease, even if he does not want it!!
Report Post »I know many many “gays” who are happily married.
bikerdogred1
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:44amI’am thinking China,may do a better job of running California.
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:43amCalifornia does not believe in science but uses myths and lies to promote their agenda. They will disallow the FACT that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Those people need help to live as they were created. Next they wont allow people who think their an animal or Napoleon to be converted to a normal human being.
Report Post »flyoverbob
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:40amKalifornia is the only state that makes me proud to be from Illinois
Report Post »bdandsl
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:48amI hear ya!
Report Post »Native Californian
The Third Archon
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:04pmYou could move to Missouri–I‘m sure you’d fit in much better there.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:25pmThe Third Archon
Nice to see you. I haven’t seen you post for several months. When did you get out of lock up?
Report Post »The_Cabrito_Goat
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 4:42pmOhio welcomes you
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:35amI agree, these type of clinics would do more harm than good. Until a gay person turns fully to God and accept Jesus as their savior no amount of therapy will change anything. Their feelings are in their heart, until they change what is in their heart, they will remain with their abnormal feelings.
Report Post »crazyrightwingmom
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:50amCofemale: So, unless I’m a perfect Christian, I don’t deserve help by therapy??
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:02pmVery few teens with raging hormones turn to God ..I say they should give them heterosexuality porn videos. or better yet, build small motel rooms on the side of every school and hire prostitutes.
sorry ….i’m in a silly mood today. but hey, a confused kid might need something like that.. i have heard story’s of dads ( back in the day ) introducing their son‘s to prostitutes when they’er aww doing you know what tooooo much…lol ……………………..
Report Post »VoteRightDammit
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 1:07pm” … these clinics would do more harm than good …”
Got anything to support that OPINION, or are you just throwing out unsubstantiated blather in the same pattern used by the California gay-owned Democrats in the state legislature?
Report Post »DOra Glasberg
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:30amIs Marcus still receiving government money for his clinics?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:38amWow, that’s relevant. Can you at least stick to bashing the candidate?
Report Post »bannedfromCNN
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:18pm“Dora the Explorer” – what or where are you exploring today?
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:58pmDora
You need to be educated not mis-educated.
FIXEDYA!
http://culturecampaign.blogspot.com/2008/06/swedish-twin-study-homosexuality-mostly.html
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:27am“Supporters of the measure say conversion therapy can contribute to depression and even suicide” So can homosexuality and liberalism, ban them all California.
Report Post »ThriCeSLewis
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:25amhttp://narth.com/2012/08/the-complete-lack-of-a-scientific-basis-for-banning/
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:22amHow gay.
Report Post »Eastinfection
Posted on September 1, 2012 at 12:00pmLol.
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