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California to Ban Therapies That Try to Turn Gay People Straight

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP/The Blaze) — California lawmakers are poised to vote Tuesday on a first-of-its-kind ban on a controversial form of psychotherapy aimed at making gay people straight.

Supporters say the legislation is necessary because such treatments are ineffective and harmful.

“This therapy can be dangerous,” said the bill’s author Sen. Ted Lieu.

He added the treatments can “cause extreme depression and guilt” that sometimes leads to suicide.

Conservative religious groups emphatically reject that view of sexual orientation therapy and say the California bill would interfere with parents’ rights to seek appropriate psychological care for their children.

“While this is a direct assault on everyone’s freedom it is also a not so subtle attack on religious liberty,” the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality said in a statement.

The debate comes as gay rights issues take the spotlight around the nation.

Over the weekend, Vice President Joe Biden said he is “absolutely comfortable” with same-sex couples getting the same rights as heterosexual couples.

In North Carolina on Tuesday, voters are expected to decide whether to make it the 29th state to pass a constitutional amendment defining marriage as solely between a man and a woman.

And in Colorado, a measure to extend civil union protections to gay couples faces a looming deadline in the state Legislature.

The California bill would prohibit so-called reparative therapy for minors and force adults who chose to undergo the treatment to sign a release form that states that the counseling is ineffective and possibly dangerous.

AB1172, sponsored by Equality California, was expected to go to its final committee hearing Tuesday afternoon and will go to the full Senate if approved.

Lieu says attempts to pathologize and change people’s sexual orientation should be treated akin to smoking and drinking: harmful activities that adults can choose to participate in, but children cannot.

“We let adults do all sorts of stupid and risky things, but we ban dangerous things for young people,” Lieu, D-Torrance, said in a telephone interview.

He was inspired to take up the issue by a cable news documentary featuring people whose parents had attempted to change their sexual orientation. The doctor featured in the show “was evil,” he said.

Interest in the religion-based therapy appears to have surged in recent years.

Exodus International, the world’s largest Christian referral network dealing with homosexuality, now refers people to 260 groups across the country, up from about 100 a decade ago. The organization has 35 ministries and churches scattered around California, from the Central Valley to the U.S.-Mexico border.

Mainstream mental health organizations say people shouldn’t be seeking out groups like Exodus at all.

The American Psychological Association said in 2009 that mental health professionals should not tell gay clients they can become straight through therapy.

The association cited research suggesting that efforts to produce the change could lead to depression and suicidal tendencies, and stated that no solid evidence exists that such change is possible.

The American Counseling Association and American Psychiatric Association have also disavowed the therapy. And the psychiatric association removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders nearly 30 years ago.

Conversion therapy penetrated the national consciousness last year when former Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann was questioned over whether the Christian counseling business of her husband provided therapies that attempted to change gays and lesbians.

Last month, psychiatrist Bob Spitzer retracted his widely-cited 2001 study that found that “highly motivated” people could change their sexual orientation, and apologized to the gay community.

The measure would likely face legal challenges from opponents who say it is unconstitutional.

Lieu says he addressed free speech issues by excluding clergy from the legislation.

Gay rights advocates say such a ban would constitute a major milestone, and could lead to similar legislation across the country.

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  • JJBlazeReader
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:48pm

    ..

    The APA wants to de-stigmatize pedophilia. That says it all about these Associations and why we should not listen to what they have to say. They are in need of intense therapy themselves.

    What is next, bestiality is okay?

    ..

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    • People_are_ignorant
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:32am

      Na,h animal rights would be all over that…

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:39am

      They‘re also trying to claim that people who think that they’re the opposite gender from what they’re born is not a mental illness.

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    • Balpit
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 3:28pm

      Actually, animal rights activists are OK with bestiality.
      Ingrid Newkirk of PETA says bestiality is OK, because the animal enjoys it.

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    • Rohawk
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:03pm

      APA has really come a long way since the 60′s when homosexuality was a mental illness! I guess they must be demented…no devolving…er evolving.

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  • sealwifenyc
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:47pm

    Ok people calm down and actually read the article. They are not banning that type of therapy entirely, they are FOR MINORS. If you do some research, it is not typical and well established psychotherapy practices, it consists of harmful tactics, especially for teenagers who are dealing with a variety of other issues at the same time. There is a reason no reputable psychotherapist engages in this type of therapy. You guys claim its unconstitutional and intrusive govt interference to ban a practice FOR MINORS which clearly is harmful but are the same people who believe women should have to undergo completely unnecessary medical procedures to obtain an abortion, Hypocrisy at its best.

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    • inblack
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:07am

      So California voted down laws to warn children that abortion can be dangerous, may impact their ability to have children in the future and stops a beating heart, but they vote for a law that makes adults sign a paper that says the therapy that they chose to take is ineffective?

      Come on.

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    • bikerr
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:36am

      @sealwifenyc—–you posted in part”You guys claim its unconstitutional and intrusive govt interference to ban a practice FOR MINORS which clearly is harmful but are the same people who believe women should have to undergo completely unnecessary medical procedures to obtain an abortion, Hypocrisy at its best.——-Clearly is harmful?. You don’t even know what clearly means.Please Thank your “husband”? for “his”? service. clearly you can understand that.

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    • carl_in_ohio
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:33am

      seal wife,
      you need to re-read the article yourself.
      it reads:

      The California bill would prohibit so-called reparative therapy for minors and force adults who chose to undergo the treatment to sign a release form that states that the counseling is ineffective and possibly dangerous.

      that’s not minors only. And what exactly is this harmful therapy?

      Watch GLEE and you’ll be subjected to their therapy of “pushing their agenda.”
      And what “harmful tactics” are being suggested against women aborting their children?
      or is that too harsh to claim “their children.”

      I look for to your response – since you charge hypocrisy

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:42am

      Sealwifenyc – I‘ll bet you don’t have a problem with minors being allowed to get abortions without parental consent in CA, hypocrite. Yet here you are whining about minors getting reparative therapy WITH parental consent.

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    • starman70
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:25am

      Here we go again! California riding roughshod over parental rights to determine what’s right for their children. As things stand now, we aught to re-name the state CALIFAGIA!

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    • Sirfoldallot
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:23am

      Is it possible 2 give California 4 a while 2 Iran to see how it works out 4 them ?

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 10:51am

      Give someone a dime and they want a dollar, an inch and they want a mile, a teenager and the entire population!

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:21pm

      Here’s a condensed version of my time with Exodus… I was strapped to a table for 48 hours where I endured electro-shock treatments and water-boarded in order to “fix” me.

      This is the type of treatment that should be banned… completely. It is dangerous and leaves the victim feeling worthless when it doesn’t change anything. I’ve had nightmares for 20+ years about people coming to kidnap me and strap me back to that table.

      Anyone who says no damage is done during these types of “therapy” don’t know what they are talking about. I applaud this effort to at least warn people who enter. If I had known what to expect I would have never started with these groups.

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    • ACLUHater
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:21pm

      The gay agenda never sleeps…

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    • ChadFelixG
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:45pm

      They do not strap you to a board and waterboard you. That is absolutely absurd. The therapy is mostly discussion and behavior based.

      Behavorists will expose people to their worst fears to get them past it.
      Birth therapists will wrap a person in a wet blanket and have them emerge to “heal” their birth trauma. Psychologists will provide toxic medications to children for every conceivable “disease” they can come up with.

      Reparative therapy is the LEAST dangerous treatment out there. This is entirely political and has nothing to do with health or safety. This is about the left removing anything they find offensive.

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    • Rohawk
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:21pm

      BIKKER IF it stops a minor from being murdered in the womb its not an unnecessary procedure. Imagine the trama a young girl may have when they realize what they’ve done to their child after the fact when they were told by the abortionists that its just a mass of cells. I don’t think killing humans at any age for any reason is justified, but giving the girls/women knowledge (ok, maybe some don’t want to know) about what they want to do does make them own this tragedy. While its still senseless murder at least its not mindless murder.

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    • niobiumstudio
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:35pm

      Chad, you should probably look up what Behavioral Modification Conversion Therapy is – several experts say it is tantamount to torture. Douglas Halderman, a leader in Conversion Therapy calls it torture in his OWN WORDS, but says it is okay because it is being used on only gay people. What TMA is describing actually goes on. Yes, there are several other kinds of therapy and Behavioral Modification isn’t the most common, but it DOES go on…

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    • scruffycat
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:59pm

      I’m assuming that the “therapy” in question involves putting the little emo gay twerp into a room with some non-gay guys who will proceed to slap and beat some sense into the creep and maybe knock some of his pansyass mental engrams out of him. Guys are supposed to be mindless hardened pawns that are thrown against danger like a battering ram and the ones that survive are rewarded with the chance to have a family and progress their dna down the timeline. Guys aren’t the ones that put rings in their ears and makeup on their faces and prance around in mantyhose going “oh say, look at me, I’m so pretty”. No. They are the ones that stay bland, keep their mouths shut and wait to go to war and die for the cause. Their wife and kids are the ones who live a life. Thats how its always been and thats how it will continue to be if they will just beat this commie inspired pansyassness out of the youth before it has a chance to warp their minds permanently.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:52am

      @Chad — I can only relate what happened to me. I would hope it no longer happens, but I have heard similar stories since going public with my own. Would you really wish this type of treatment forced on a minor?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:21pm

      sealwifenyc

      There is a reason no reputable psychotherapist engages in this type of therapy.

      There was one who was part of the committee that delisted homosexuality as disease in 1973. He concluded that conversion was extremely rare. The point is that he was not hostile to homosexuals. All the people he studied were volunteers and had “selected” themselves. They did not want to be gay anymore.

      The APA rather than trying to replicate his results only tried to run him out of town. So the APA will no longer investigate but merely promote homosexuality.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:29pm

      ChadFelixG

      They do not strap you to a board and waterboard you. That is absolutely absurd. The therapy is mostly discussion and behavior based.
      ***
      Discussion where you hear something besides the liberal line is dangerous. I commented on a gay blog when the military budget was discussed. The regulars all took the standard liberal,line that it was too big. I discussed the quadrennial defense review & purchasing power parity. I used no swear words, but I was banned from the blog.

      So I can just imagine how threatened the leaders id the gay agenda feel.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:24pm

      “Spitzer, in charge of the revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, was left to decide whether homosexuality should be included in the manual. He decided against inclusion, since mental disorders would be identified by the distress an individual felt or an impairment of functioning. He ruled that homosexuality would be deleted from the list of mental disorders

      Considering how difficult it had been to find 100 participants, and that they were considered the best cases of conversion therapy, Spitzer concluded that although change could occur, it was probably very rare”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spitzer_%28psychiatrist%29

      “The APA issued an official disavowal of Spitzer’s paper, noting that it had not been peer reviewed”

      All some goons at the APA have to do is say we are not going to review it. It doesn’t make it any more or any less true.

      Hitler got 100 scientists to repudiate Einstein’s theories. Einstein merely said that if his theories were wrong, then 1 scientists would be sufficient. A different day & the same socialist sh_t (DDSS).

      There could be a few psychologists that would want to try to replicate the results of the study, but would they dare try? All it would take is a few dozen gay psychologists to raise a stink & the high poohbahs of the APA would try to take their professional licenses of the would be investigators.
      Since the APA is so politicized any definitive proof will come from neurobiologists, geneticists & c

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:20pm

      @Walkabout — Spitzer has since stated his conclusions were wrong and wishes the report was never published.

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  • iBeliever
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:42pm

    DISGUSTING….. this is it…. this FORMERLY CHRISTIAN country is basically OVER…….

    i dont know whats hard to understand about this….. if you are a man who has SEX with ANOTHER MAN you make EVERYONE’S life worse, you turn GOD away from this nation and you TAKE AWAY CHRISTIAN RIGHTS

    this MUST stop!!!! we MUST rally together and drive these “people” OUT of OUR COUNTRY

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    • iBeliever
      Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:49pm

      also its just another example of LIBERALS distorting the truth…. these “people” want to fight for what they call “equal rights” but what is “EQUAL” about THEM winning and NORMAL PEOPLE losing????

      good luck to the media pointing THAT out though…… idiots…

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    • MammalOne
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:36am

      Yeah! Let’s rally together as an angry mob and round up all of the gay people and… oh wait. I remember what happens when you start doing this…

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:44am

      Mammalone – You certainly don’t have a problem with rounding up Christians and killing them off, hypocrite. Don’t lecture the rest of us on being bigots when you yourself are one.

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    • MammalOne
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:11am

      “You certainly don’t have a problem with rounding up Christians and killing them off”

      W T F are you talking about? I have never in my life ever condoned rounding anyone up and killing them. Is your ability to converse seriously limited to bumper sticker politics and wild accusations?

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    • VoteRightDammit
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:49am

      MammalOne Posted on May 9, 2012 at 2:11am “I have never in my life ever condoned rounding anyone up and killing them.”
      ====================

      B.S. alert!!!!!!!!!!!

      You advocate for imprisoning innocent children in a life that is, by any definition, death.

      And you advocate TEACHING these little innocents, via the public school system, this life-of-death is something they should try out.

      So don’t go claiming any moral high road here, low-roader.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:45am

      Mammalone – Just like you’re not using wild crazy accusations, hypocrite?

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    • MammalOne
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 9:55am

      GIT
      Are you being sarcastic? What accusations would those be again?

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:47pm

      Mammalone – You’re accusing Ibelieve of wanting to kill homosexuals just b/c he doesn’t support this bill. I wasn’t being sarcastic.

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  • sillyfreshness
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:26pm

    Yes, this therapy can be “dangerous” in that it might actually work. We don’t want to be turning gay people straight now do we? Bolshevism at its best.

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  • LoneRanger
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:26pm

    Nothing is more destructive that being forced to life the “gay” lifestyle for those who want out. With over 17,000 US AIDS deaths a year and zero from therapy, it has to take a progessive leftist to figure out which is more dangerous.

    Want to know how dangerous being “gay” is? Here are a couple links to search:
    GAY BUG CHASER http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS451US451&q=GAY+BUG+CHASER
    GAY GIFT GIVER http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS451US451&q=GAY+BUG+CHASER#hl=en&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS451US451&sclient=psy-ab&q=GAY+GIFT+GIVER&oq=GAY+GIFT+GIVER&aq=f&aqi=g-v1&aql=&gs_l=serp.3..0i15.35038.37259.0.37568.10.10.0.0.0.0.373.2107.0j6j3j1.10.0…0.0.s_yvQXAWbyw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=b4ee6b7f95275a5e&biw=1641&bih=829

    As the father of a “gay” son, I know what I am talking about. These bastards are after your children with their progressive ideas. They remove kids from their faith, then remove them from their families.

    Study the subject before these chickens come home to roost at your house.
    http://www.factsaboutyouth.com
    http://www.preventhomosexuality.com
    http://www.endcensorship.com
    http://www.libertyforchildren.com

    Oh California, George Orwell would be proud.

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  • HiredMind Blog
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:17pm

    So… no First Amendment then?

    (Therapy boils down to speech)

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  • FromSeaToSea
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:13pm

    Yup, the gov. of california has determined their weiners can be straight…..ened.

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  • Bronco Guy
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:12pm

    So where are the phenomenal statistics from Exodus International about the successful conversions? Homosexuality isn’t genetic, nor is it a mental illness. It’s a spiritual issue, and the place to get that healed and taken care of is with well-trained spiritual advisors who will introduce you to the cleansing and renewing power of Jesus Christ. The article is incomplete without the plethora of success stories that Exodus International can lay claim to!!! This is just one more hideous example of “woe to those who call evil good and good evil.” Sad.

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    • Hockeytown
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:52am

      My best friend was gay when we were younger and then she found Jesus. She has said that when she asked Jesus to remove those feeling from her she woke up the next day without them. She thanks God every day for doing that for her.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:27pm

      Alan Chambers, the head of Exodus, recently admitted that 99% of people will never change their orientation.

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    • beckwasfox
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:49pm

      Tmarends-I doubt your numbers and your anectdotal story about having recieved treatment. Let‘s just say it’s true that 99% will never change their sexual orientation. Are people that don’t seek treatment included in that stat? I would say it’s worth trying for the 1% that are saved from this atrocious lifestyle.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:53pm

      @Beckwasfox… Alan Chambers made that claim at the GCN conference in Jan 2012. The entire panel recording can be found on the GCN website. You can even find references to it on Exodus sites, as they try to interpret what he meant by it.

      You can doubt my time in Exodcus all you want. It drove me into a loveless marriage with a woman to prove I was “straight” to the world, and into depression for not really changing. It was a horrific experience that NOBODY should have to go through.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:48pm

      Tmarends – What scientific evidence is there to prove that homosexuality is born that way? In order for something to be born that way, there must be scientific evidence.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 2:39am

      @Git-R-Done — Why are some people left-handed? Where’s the scientific evidence to the cause of left-handedness? There isn’t any… it just is. There are plenty of theories, but no conclusive proof of why someone is left-handed. Maybe left-handedness is just a choice that some people make and they can be broken of it if they try hard enough… oh, wait… they tried that at one time.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:56pm

      tmarends

      They know all sorts of things such as why the organs in the body are not symmetrical in relation to the abdomen.

      And you can change your handedness.

      And I haven’t seen a gay gene yet. I did a web search on it yesterday & most of the stuff was old & disputed.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 10:09pm

      @Walkabout — A left-handed person can learn to use their right hand for things, like writing… but it is never truly natural for them. A gay person can, if they choose, have sex with someone of the opposite sex… They may even produce children through that sex, but it is never natural for them.

      As far as I’m concerned, based on my own experience and talking to my gay friends, God created some people gay for His purpose, one we may never truly understand until the last day.

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  • AntBrain
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:10pm

    I don’t understand the issue. If a gay man decides he no longer wants to live that life, what business is it of California? Oh wait … I do understand: The government of California is stupid.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:05am

      Under the new law a man who thinks this therapy might work can still try it, but children can no longer be subjected to it against their will.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:48am

      Chet Hempstead – Yet I‘ll bet you’re ok with children getting to go out and have abortions without parental consent like they can in CA.

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    • tzion
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:31am

      @Chet
      Why should the government have to mandate that the release form says that the procedure is “ineffective and potentially dangerous”. Release forms are used by care providers at their own discretion to inform the patient of what the treatment is known to do so that the provider can’t later be sued for not properly informing them of any risks beforehand. If the procedure is dangerous it should dealt with in civil court not the state government.

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:36am

      @CHET

      Uh kids are forced everyday to do things against their will. It’s called parenting! My kids are forced to go to bed against their will, go to school against their will, clean their room against their will. Do you not see the dangerous, idiotics precedent that will be set here?

      The government will have the pre-eminent position of deciding what’s “best” for your kid!

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:35pm

      The government is already in the position of having to decide what’s best for kids, because every day there are more and more children being born to people who are not competent to figure that out for themselves. That doesn’t mean that the government doesn’t sometimes overreach and interfere in decisions that a parent should have the right to make, but it means that the government does have to look out for the interests of kids.

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    • Rohawk
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:09pm

      Chet, that arguement is what’s wrong with America! In EVERY situation from punishment to deciding what kids should eat to sex ed the government claims that since SOME PARENTS are negligent or incompetent they must decide for ALL CHILDREN what is right for them. Since we can’t judge bad parents we must have non-discriminating standards to protect the children of bad parents at the expense of freedom for exeptional parents/kids.

      Johnny can’t bring his organic 4 course meal is a lunchbox because Jimmy might bring a twinkie and a hawaian punch. Carl can’t get a spanking for pushing down a girl because Tim might come to school with a black eye! Tina can’t stay an innocent girl in elementary school because Gina might not get her STD taken care of without that video.

      Instead of treating the sick school put all our kids in quarantine until they safely share the teacher‘s union’s values.

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  • FromSeaToSea
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:09pm

    Really there are only two political parties. Those that want controlled and those that want freedom.
    California is an state of insecure people that require lots of control.

    “If you want total security, go to prison. There you are fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking…..freedom.” President Dwight D. Eisenhower

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  • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:07pm

    Good! Every reputable professional medical and psychiatric organization has already long since come out against Reparative Therapy and affirmed that it does more harm than any possible good.

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    • AntBrain
      Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:12pm

      “Reputable” because they affirm your lifestyle. Don’t be so transparent.

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    • HK
      Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:25pm

      I’m not anti gay or homophobic. I understand the problem with trying to force someone to change against their will, and I don’t support that. I support counseling for people who think that they may be gay. How is providing counseling for gays who think they may be straight any different?

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    • iBeliever
      Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:50pm

      wow read the Bible before you spread your filth… forcing a homosexual to stop SINNING and RUINING LIVES does “more harm then good”?? How does that make ANY logical sense??

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    • bikerr
      Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:58pm

      @Lesbian Packing Hollow Points–You wouldn’t know “good” even if it shot you in the a$$!.Hollow points or not.

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:19am

      @LESBIAN PACKING HOLLOW POINTS

      As you know, I am a religious person (LDS) who believes that homosexuality is a sin, however I recognize that we are all sinners and fall short of the mark God has set for us.

      I have no intention of ridding the world of homosexuals anymore than I want to bring back prohibition. “Sin and let sin” would be a good summation.

      Some smoking cessation drugs can cause people to commit suicide, should they be banned? Maybe so, but if a person wants to take them, who am I to say no? I would advise against it, but the decision is theirs. In their cost/benefit analysis, they have decided the risk is worth the reward. Some people choose poorly, and that is sad. Education is the key, not regulation.

      Ignore the haters, many people here – myself included – are grateful for your insights.

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    • palerider54
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:27am

      Yeah right, the psychos stalked the people in academia that originally told the truth, that homosexuality was a mental disorder, picketed outside their offices and homes, made their lives a living nightmare, until they were finally blackmailed and threatened into saying it was NOT a mental disorder.

      The same kind of treatment is coming to our local churches that STILL preach the truth about this sickness. This decadent, disgusting, deviant lifestyle has plagued mankind since Satan became ruler of the earth, and can be cured simply by admitting it is a sin, begging forgiveness, and asking Jesus to cure your.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:45am

      LPHP – Nobody is forcing you to go to one of those clinics. So why don’t you take your own advice and mind your own business.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 6:09pm

      Lesbian Packing Hollow Points

      People like you ran Mr Spitzer out of town.

      People like you don’t want science merely dogma.

      /sarc on
      “Spitzer spearheaded the APA’s 1973 decision to remove homosexuality from its list of mental disorders.” Spitzer is evil. Don’t you agree LPHP? /sarc off

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010509/aponline013921_000.htm

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  • Smokey_Bojangles
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:04pm

    Soon Commiefornia will have a law that all babies can be aborted except gay babies.(Not To Be Confused with Dey Babies)

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    • CATPBJ
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 5:44am

      Wow, that is one of the sickest, most immoral, evil, twisted comments I have ever read here at the Blaze, and I thought that I had read some ridiculous comments in the past, but you, my foolish mentally deficient court jester friend, have just won the prize for the stupidest and most evil comment ever!

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    • scruffycat
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 9:05am

      I’m wondering what a “gay baby” really is. A baby born to a gay male couple? What would that be? A Vaseline Baby? An aglutenated wad of vaseline and mucuous and fecal material and sperm that has a gestation period of a few hours before it is “born” and falls into the toliet? yuck. those guys are going to burn in hell.

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  • brother_ed
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:03pm

    I’m confused…

    Are these folks FORCED to take the therapy, or is it voluntary?

    I can understand them wanting to ban the practice of forcing people to go to therapy, but voluntary – really?

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:07am

      Read the whole article carefully and you will be less confused.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:49am

      Chet Hempstead – You hypocrites don’t advocate that children should be allowed to opt out of vaccinations against their will.

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 3:32pm

      Git-R-Done
      You appear to think that you have made a point, but you have not because there is medical evidence that vaccinations work.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:50pm

      Chet – What about vaccines that cause problems for people? And who are you to tell parents that they should be forced to vaccinate their children against their will? What makes you know best?

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on May 10, 2012 at 1:21am

      If there are vaccines that are still in use even though they have been proven to cause worse problems than the diseases that they are used to inoculate against, then of course they should not be administered, but there aren’t any. I don’t force parents to vaccinate their children against their will because I’m not a doctor and it isn’t my job. If what you meant to ask is do I believe that parents should be forced to vaccinate their children against their will, and why? Then yes, they certainly should, because even if you grant the dodgy proposition that a parent has a right to endanger their child’s life by leaving them vulnerable to a communicable disease, which I don’t because I believe that children are not entirely without rights of their own and parental prerogative only goes so far, but even if you grant that, they still do not have a right to endanger all of the other people who could catch a dangerous illness from their disease-ridden whelps.

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  • Calm Voice of Reason
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:01pm

    Despite what the title to this article would have you believe, “California” is not going to ban these therapies. Apparently, however, some guy named Ted Lieu would like to.

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  • IDONTTHINKSO
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:59pm

    That is so sad; they’re just going to give up and going to let these people die off? If therapy isn’t working maybe educating them would help stop them from killing their selves off! So sad!

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:57pm

    Okay, let me get this straight. The homosexuals seeking this type of therapy will be forbidden? Okay, I could see this if they jumped out on the street and netted potential patients and locked them in rubber rooms for extended periods of time. But, to refuse a service that they seek is reprehensible.

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    • Doctor Nordo
      Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:11pm

      From what I gathered they are only seeking to ban it with minors. Adults would be allowed as long as they signed waivers.

      Not that I wholly agree with these restrictions, but it pays to have an accurate understanding of what is going on.

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  • Tigress1
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:54pm

    Of course! After all, California has worked so hard turning straight people into gays!

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  • mode101
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:54pm

    I wish it was that easy to go st8, I been trying and praying God will deliver me from being gay =/

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    • Rohawk
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:22am

      God bless you! God honors your efforts. He convicts and encourages. Condemnation comes from the other side. Don’t give up! There‘s things that I’ve fought with for years but I think God respects people that are dealing with sin much more than those who justify it so they don’t have to struggle so much.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:48am

      It’s not a matter of becoming heterosexual. It’s a matter of becoming at one with God and living up to his teachings. I admit that I also fall short of his perfect glory. But I repent for my sins. I pray that you’re able to achieve serving God.

      Remember that love is not based on feelings according to the first book of the Corinthians and don’t just follow your heart b/c your heart can be deceived according to the book of Jeremiah.

      I’ll be praying for you.

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    • The_Doors_Of_Perception
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 8:56am

      You are praying to someone who is not there to deliver you from who you are. Embrace yourself…no need for a totalitarian in government or in the sky. Even though your happines might make most people on this thread unhappy, at least you get to see who really needs therapy.

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    • Cagey1
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 11:41am

      Everybody has their Achilles heel ie. a proclivity to something. Alcohol is very enticing to some when they act upon it and become drunkrers, alcoholics, they sin. Some people have a proclivity to have a sexual relationship with animals if they act upon it is sin. Others have a desire to take things if they act upon it they are a thief and they sin. Others over indulge in food they are gluttonous which is a sin. My point is that we all need to be changed because we all have something that we desire to do that is sin. It is the acting upon the desire that sin. We cannot help how we feel about something that we want to do. We can choose whether we act on the desire or not. Thank God we are not alone in this fight. The HOLY SPIRIT will help us when we say I do not want to go against you GOD, but I am so weak against this desire help me to do right in your sight. I have walked a road such as this and HE changed my life. May he change yours too.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:34pm

      Have you ever consided that God created you gay for a reason?

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    • beckwasfox
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:05pm

      tmarends-did God create alcholism, drug addiction, adultery or murder. Consider this and learn from the Bible.

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    • Duey2000
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:44pm

      Well tmarends, what do you say to the pedophiles, rapists, abusers, and murderers who claim that they were born the way that they were or that they don’t know any better? Should they embrace who they are as well?

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    • tmarends
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:59pm

      @Duey2000 — I say you choose actions, not innate attractions. Just like any straight person, who I choose to have sex with is my choice. My attractions are not a choice. Pedophiles and rapists force themselves on someone else. It is not a choice for the victim. Abusers and murders force their acts on their victims, it is not a choice for the victim. In homosexual relationships it is mutual, not forced on another. And THAT is your difference.

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    • Rohawk
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 4:50pm

      Every person has a fallen nature that gravitates toward sinfull lusts. What is so harmfull is that this is the one sin that has an advacacy group to prevent recovery from. Some people like to make it the biggest moral issue in the world because its the one they are sure they won’t fall into, but any sin separates us from God and needs to be rejected to receive help to have uninterupted fellowship with God. Any sin that‘s more important than doing God’s will is your true God.

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  • Hermeneuticals
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:53pm

    The main practitioners of this would be clergy or could easily become one (there are ways). So it’s a bit of posturing by Sacramento because clergy are exempt. (that would violate church -state seperation). Many Christian Counseling Pro’s in CA have already given up State issued MFCC licenses because of existing restrictions (such as counseling against divorce).

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  • Small World
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:53pm

    They need hormone therapy.

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    • SUNTZU
      Posted on May 8, 2012 at 11:39pm

      Didnt that just happen to
      the secret service

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  • bulldog3911
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:53pm

    http://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

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    • Latter-Day-Soldier
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:33am

      I don’t know which was more “gay”, the vid for your link or the Justin Beiber promo preceding it! FOFL

      But a VERY appropriate song for this issue nonetheless.

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  • nighttrainno9
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:52pm

    California=Sodom and Gamorrah. If everyone was homosexual and on drugs
    californians would be happy. I’m sure God will be happy with them
    making help against the law.

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    • Git-R-Done
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:51am

      Those kinds of societies never last. Anytime in history social anarchy takes place, a force will come take its place b/c social anarchy doesn’t stand for anything.

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    • niobiumstudio
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 5:27pm

      Yeah, I know Git – those Societies like Ancient Greece and Rome, over 1500 years of existence tolerating homosexuality, drug use, and alcohol use…they fell very quickly.

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  • cuinsong
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:47pm

    And the sick get sicker

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  • Leadthemtothelight
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:46pm

    Shocking! Is there nothing sacred the government is unwilling to regulate at this point. Really no bake sales now no therapy for confused homosexuals? This crap is just way to bizarre.

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:47am

      “the treatments can “cause extreme depression and guilt” that sometimes leads to suicide.”

      That is what the treatments are designed to cure.

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    • iBeliever
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 12:58am

      “That is what the treatments are designed to cure.”

      EXACTLY….. sick of idiot SHEEP saying its a “choice…..“ hmm who do you trust ”SCIENTISTS” or GOD????? (HINT: the answer make shock you if your a HuffPost reader……)

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    • Welcome Black Carter
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:06am

      Pretty clear to most, it is a choice. A choice that tends to:
      “cause extreme depression and guilt” that sometimes leads to suicide.”

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  • copatriots
    Posted on May 8, 2012 at 10:46pm

    ROFL I guess the gays who are possibly confused about their sexual orientation have to leave Calicrazy. What will they do?

    Here’s a question……what isn’t banned in Cali? Can you actually do anything?

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    • Rohawk
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:16am

      Except judge reprobates. The only sin is suppressing the libertines (or hurting their self-esteem)
      .

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    • garylee123
      Posted on May 9, 2012 at 1:29pm

      Had to think long and hard about that. The only thing I could come up with is liberal stupidity.

      State of Jefferson 2012

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