California Town Considering Total Outdoor Smoking Ban — Even on Private Property
- Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:00am by
Madeleine Morgenstern
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It’s already against the law for smokers to light up near businesses, parks and playgrounds in California, but one town is now considering a total outdoor smoking ban — even on private property — all at one family’s request.
City officials in Rocklin, Calif. are weighing the Baker family‘s complaint about smoke drifting into their home from their neighbors’ backyards, the Placer Herald reported.
“We’re just saying, ‘please don’t poison us,’” James Baker told the newspaper in the Sacramento-area city. “Can you smoke inside your home? The reason they don’t want to do that is because they don’t want their family breathing it in. But it’s okay for your neighbor?”
Kelly Baker said her two sons, ages 11 and 16, both have asthma and that after 10 years of breathing in their neighbors’ secondhand smoke, the kids have become sicker.
“Kids like to play in the backyard,” she said. “It’s scary when you can’t breathe.”
She told the Herald the smoke from her neighbors’ porch cigarette breaks seeps in everywhere in her house, including the bathroom and laundry room.
“I’ll stand by my pantry and smell smoke,” she said. “Even during the winter with every window shut and every door shut (the smoke) comes in. It comes in through the vents, I think.”
Before going to the city council, James Baker said he tried to negotiate with his neighbors first to cut back their exposure. Some agreed to try, but at least one neighbor wasn’t as receptive.
“The first move is to have a peaceful resolution. When that is not going the way you want it to, it’s time to reach out to your government,” he said.
According to the Herald, Baker is asking the city to consider a nuisance ordinance similar to one in place in the nearby city of Dublin, Calif., charging violators with a misdemeanor and requiring them to pay a $250 fine and a perform a year of community service.
City resident and smoker Ryan Malonson told Sacramento CBS affiliate KOVR-TV he disagrees with what Baker is trying to do.
“As a smoker, I think that smokers should be considerate,” Malonson told KOVR. “But on your own property, that’s unacceptable…It’s not going to pass.”
Rocklin City Manager Rick Horst told the newspaper he’s looking into the possibility, though the issue is not entirely straightforward.
“How do you regulate and enforce smoking on private property that may drift with the wind into a neighbor’s yard?” Horst said.
But council member Diana Ruslin said such an ordinance is not out of the question.
“I understand his concern. When it’s your family, they are the most important thing — as they should be,” she said. “When someone comes to council, it does not fall on deaf ears.”
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Dstarr55
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:34amIf the smoke seeps into her home during the winter with everything closed, she has a bigger issue than cigarette smoke. I would submit the Baker family is a wee bit crazy. For one, unless it is non-stop smoking by a group of people all day long, the smoke from one or two smokers would disperse to where I defy anyone to actually smell the smoke in the other yard let alone in their house. The ratio of smoke to air just would not allow concentration of the smell to carry predominately for a long period of time. You may get a slight whiff of it, but you are no means breathing it in. We are talking about a cigarette, not a barbeque grill. The research on second hand smoke is questionable at best and to advocate a person smoking a cigarette on their own personal property can affect you 50 feet or more away, is even more dubious.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:45amRush was right almost two decades ago when he pointed out this anti-smoking craziness would lead to even more nanny-staters poking their noses into every other private issue. Abortion falls under an unwritten part of the Constitution called “privacy” yet this obviously does not include your private property?
Report Post »Personally I had never in my life cared for the ordor from smoking. Later in life found that I am allergic to something in it. I would venture to say that nobody hates the odor more than me. But, I believe in the rights of the smoker and his/her freedom to choose. Next they will come after some of the things that I enjoy in life. Oh yeah, they are. I like to shoot…a lot. I also like to drive my truck, but it uses gasoline and other petroleum products. As far as I am concerned these nosey busy bodies can go live in Afghan caves with ROSE-ELLEN.
Ruler4You
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:47amDidn’t I see a story this week that asked the question: “Why does everybody Hate California?”
I think this goes a long way toward explaining that, if you are a freedom lover.
Californians remind me of the Brits. They want government to provide everything for them and be liable at the same time. They are confused, disoriented, uninterested and desperately needy. Always.
Report Post »drago
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:56amKeep it up Californication, soon there will be nothing left in your state but deadbeat lunatics…..oh wait…
Report Post »This state truelly needs to be bulldozed into the pacific, will all occupants on board…..
drago
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:04am(Correction) “with all”…
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:26amI used to live in California, and I still have plenty of relatives there. So, I can say this with some true conviction. As far as California is concerned, it’s like a breakfast cereal. Take out all of the fruits and nuts, then all you have left are the flakes.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:30amit must be getting real close to civil war by now.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:36amCut them off the federal money ..they have no choice but to go back to a conservative,business friendly state government…California receives a disproportionate share of tax money collected from other states..we all pay for there liberalism
Report Post »AmazingGrace8
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:40am@Drago
Not “if” but “when” the big earthquake happens? all this nonsense will no longer be a top-priority. Visited a friend in the late 80″s in the state of Missouri and the apple-scent wood-stove smoke was over-whelming. Now-a-days there are laws on the books for output of wood-stoves and seemed necessary. Out- door smoking? As a former smoker, I do not like being around smokers(when they are smoking but that is just me. Love thy neighbor…sometimes it is tough and neighbors always have to be respectfull of each other, but sometimes, it is impossible. Tough answer on this one but smoking out-doors? I don’t see a problem, but that is just me. I am not a “dry-smoker“ like the ”dry-drunk” because don’t miss the fuss-&-muss of whether I have my cigs with me(cell-phones,i-pads for people who want these in their life) and the ritual of the “7 minute fling ” , I still like the “first odor” of a lighting of a cig and also a cigar or pipe but then the odor starts becoming annoying. Here is a thought for smoker-dog-owners who want to “quit”…just think your best-friend does not smoke so why should you…I say this because one of my cats would give me a “dirty-look” and move away from me when I had lit-up..LOL.
Report Post »lillymckim
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:00pmYou can only smoke dope on the streets of California…
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:20pmHa! my neighbor here in SW Ohio has asked me in “the interests of being a good neighbor” to not smoke within twenty feet of her property. Told her I would consider this and tried.
UNTIL
A couple of weeks after she asked me this she was talking to people she had hired while they were smoking within ten feet of her.
Report Post »This is all about control: my neighbor and this cali town…
13th Imam
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:38pmSince they are vegan, they want ALL BBQing banned. They are subjected to the harmful smoked meat smell, and can’t abide the calorie intake from that smoke, nor the carcinogens from the fuel burning. And the Man-Made Global Warming impact is staggering.
Report Post »powder211
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 2:13pmWhen you live in California, winter is the same as spring/summer somewhere else, and the neighbor’s smoke certainly seeps in everywhere. We are experiencing the same difficulties…although I haven’t said anything. We have 3 asthmatics in the home and the neighbor’s desire not to poison his kids when he smokes is greatly affecting our kids. However, it’s hard to want to be “disagreeable” when you know it’s their space. 2nd hand smoke is a really big issue, especially for asthmatics whose quality of life is decreased by other’s bad habits. And I’m not too thrilled about others coming into our home and thinking we have a smoker that lives here when none of us smoke.
Report Post »qinncy
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 2:19pmSome people are just , looking for something to bitch about, how about no more barbecues , too much smoke. Or get rid of your kids there to noisy or , you barking dog. Or your car thats to loud where does it stop. You know we dont live in old Russia , well not yet. I think people need to get a grip.
Report Post »amdoktor
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 3:12pmWake up people ! This is not the direction intended that our Nation moves. Think for a minute all the new rules and laws imposed on us since 9/11. Everyday they creep into our lives just a little bit more, a little at a time. This is right out of the communist manifesto, Government control all rights and freedoms. We are told how dangerous the world is, how everyone wants to kill us. This is all a deflection, from the truth, a smokescreen, watch this hand while I rob you with the other. The fact of the matter is, we are being destroyed from the inside. Every one of these mandates, personal behavior laws, intrusion of privacy bills are UN-Constitutoinal. This will not stop unless we stand up,
Report Post »remove these politicians that break their Oath of Office, and get representation that follows and protects our rights. This freedom stripping agenda will not stop, next it will be your freedom on attack.
Time to quit complaining and get involved, let all who represent you that you have had enough, either they change there ways or I will make it a priority to see you voted out. Freedom is not free, it takes involvement and commitment
God bless us all..
2theADDLED
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 3:51pmIf you live in California smoke is the least thing I would worry about.
Report Post »Just for the heck of it I would truck in some manure chicken or turkey sounds good and spread it on the lawn.
ghostsouls
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 4:41pmSo it just goes on and on. NO smoking in public, on your property, in your yard, on your porch, or in your own house, or basement. Pretty soon you won’t be able to eat salt, have sweets, pray, oppose any democrat, they will beat you down and beat you back, take away your kids and lock you up. Your kids will get injections at school without your knowledge or consent, even if it kills them, it’s for the good of the community. Your kids will eat what they are told to eat, and not eat the food you give them. Your kids will chant obama songs and you cannot stop them. Your kids will not learn about the constitution, only what the government wants them to know. I used to smoke, I quit 7 years ago. It was my choice when I started smoking and it was my choice to stop smoking. But it was MY choice, no one told me to, or mandated it in a law. I think everyone should quit, but I think everyone has to them their OWN choices, not be forced. The gov’t is in every aspect of our lives, and if we don’t watch out, we will be wearing swastika’s on our upper arms. You will wake up one day, to teach the next generation what freedom used to be. How it use to be free in the “old days”.
Report Post »TheBurningTruth
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 6:33pmActually, MCDAVE is wrong about how much CA receives vs. payout out to the Feds. CA is still the 8th largest economy on the planet (though I fear not for long!) and pays in a lot more than it collects from the Feds.
However, I DO agree with his comments about cutting federal aid to states, only let’s make it ALL states and DC as well. (DC collects something line 7x more than it pays in!) There should NEVER be a socialized redistribution between the states as that forces wiser states to pay for dumber states. Take CA’s illegal alien problem: that’s encouraged by Sanctuary Cities and other programs that reward illegals for breaking the law. Between those policies and the “punish the successful” policies of making anyone with a good income pay for everyone else, the day when CA DOES become a debtor state IS fast approaching. If CA were NOT allowed to pass off the cost of it’s stupidity on the rest of the country, then I agree with MCDAVE’s assessment that it would have to get more conservative.
Of course, states like AZ that are trying to deal with the illegal alien problem and are punished by the Feds SHOULD be allowed to pass those costs to the Feds as they’re making every effort to solve the problem themselves but are being unconstitutionally blocked by the Feds under President Marxist.
Report Post »RailRoadCar9
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 6:49pmthe problem in California is we have a openly corrupt government that has been taken over by morally bankrupt fascist who think EVERYTHING SHOULD BE REGULATED so the government can make a buck i expect to see open civil war in California before to long , i mean really whats the point in continuing to summit to a government that DOES NOT REPRESENT the people That does not have to consent of the people ,i say let the revolution begin ,
Report Post »a plain to peacefully retake our state
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000degrees
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 6:51pmI’ll stand by my pantry and smell smoke,” she said. “Even during the winter with every window shut and every door shut (the smoke) comes in. It comes in through the vents, I think.”
That is some magic smoke….Please Mr. big gov’t, make a law to make my neighbor behave!!!! Friggin waaaaa. Can you imagine if this type of person were on the continental U.S. just over 200 years ago?????
Report Post »Partygirl
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 8:01pmI agree. These people are liars. Just the lifestyle police. There is abosulutely no way a cigarette can go into someone else’s backyard and not dissapate way before it even gets there. The second hand smoke study is a fantasy. I knew people involved in collecting information for that study. Total fabrications.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 8:54pm@old white guy
Yes sir! Almost there.
Report Post »HYPNOTOAD
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 9:04pmPARTYGIRL: you are uninformed. This happens at my home regularly. I have a decent sized lot and when my neighbor lights up on her back porch and the wind is going toward my home, it comes right in my windows or if I open a door. I get an instant head ache.
I don’t feel I have the right to tell her to stop a legal activity. I’ve had to leave my patio where I was sitting with my wife having coffee and reading and go in the house because it was making me sick.
So, you are wrong. It’s happening to me and countless others.
Report Post »sweetgold
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 9:49pmBe cool (kewl) DRAGO I live in California. I love the state and hate most of its politicians.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:16pmOk….this law would potentially cause unintended consequences, such as, how are all those poor, suffering Kalifornians supposed to to consume their medical marijuana when needed, if they can only do so inside at home? It’s going to be a disaster, when you have thousands of sick people staggering around in shock after losing their buzz……oh the horror!!
Report Post »Jeetman
Posted on February 26, 2012 at 10:09pmDSTARR55 said:
I defy anyone to actually smell the smoke in the other yard let alone in their house. The ratio of smoke to air just would not allow concentration of the smell to carry predominately for a long period of time.
It depends on the distance. I live in a very tight-knit city. I have a 3 story apartment house down my street that is about 20 feet from my house and another 3 story apartment house up my street that is also about 20 feet from my house. Both of these houses have idiots who smoke. There is one lady who smokes out her window and I have my other neighbor who smokes in his drive way. My house is a 3 story apartment building with no smokers. I practice the martial arts in my yard. In fact I give private lessons in my yard. I can tell you that it only takes ONE of my neighbors to smoke and I immediately smell it. I hate it because I too suffer with asthma. I also don’t want to cause trouble so I try to ignore it. If my city officials ever banned outside smoking, I’d welcome it. I am not a libertarian. I am a conservative but I do believe that secondary smoke is harmful. YOUR RIGHTS end when your activity harms others. I hope they adopt the measure.
Quick story: When I was younger, I worked for a company that would bus us to their new facility. They ran 2 buses (this was all before it was illegal to smoke in a vehicle). I talked the guy who ran the buses to have a smoking and non-smoking bus. He wouldn’t do it. People joined me. We got the non-smokin
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 4:59pmTo all of you imbiciles bashing my state: This is a state of over 1200 cities, it’s very likely that there are more rational mayors in our whole state than in your fly-over state. So, mind your own friggin’ business!
Report Post »SaintzOfAk
Posted on April 12, 2012 at 12:14amI have a hard time reading articles like this. Leaves me with such an odd sickly feeling, such as when someone standing next to you in the store lets one slip and walks off. Your left standing their praying you can get out of the vicinity quick enough as to not be blamed for the “Sarin Nerve gas” then…..BAM! a couple of good lookin gals turn the corner…your marked. I mean, i could make the same damn argument about my neighbor’s fumes from his car drifting into my house.
Report Post »neverending
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:32amThought they already did that – banning everything else so now they have to ban whatever they missed. Our freedom is slipping away and not slowly but rapidly.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 3:43pmHUGH WILLIAMS, This just dawned on me. I was in high school in the late ’60s and during hunting season lots of us drove to school with our rifles and shotguns in the trunk. Then after school we drove to our favorite spots, changed clothes and went hunting. I do not recall of a single incident with firearms ever. I went to a good sized high school in a rather small southern city too. I bet that during hunting season there were enough firearms on campus to arm the local Nat’l Guard at the time.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:31amThe hypocrisy of the left is limit less. Here in Tennessee citizens can go to class and obtain a gun carry permit. This infuriates the left so, many business owned by leftist have banned people with legal gun carry permits from bring their guns into said business and also guns are not allowed anywhere on said property. The law says if the business owner puts up a no guns allowed sign then people with carry permits must respect the owner’s wishes. The state legislator is attempting to pass a law that will allow people with gun carry permits to bring their gun on the property as long as they are left in their locked car in the parking lot. The leftist are trying to stop this bill by claiming it tramples on the private property rights of the anti-gun property owner. The left has no concern with the gun carry permit holder right to bear arms. If you drive from you home to work and back your employer can in effect take away your rights if they say no guns allowed in their parking lot. This story is about the left destroying private property rights when it suits them and they will defend private property right when it suits them also. They will twist anything to benefit their leftist agenda. They have zero intellectual honesty.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:52amToo bad that armed robbers will not respect the wishes of those businesses. So, why would you endanger yourself by patronizing such establishments when you are not allowed to protect yourself as well as others around you? Boycott them, and make it known. Their own signs remind me of the guy who posted a large sign in his yard pointing to his neighbor’s home and stating that his home is unarmed. Those signs are an open invitation and anybody killed or wounded during robberies should be sued out of existence by the survivors for failing to protect their customers.
Report Post »jcizarter
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:52amGood time to not buy from left wing businesses.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:53amDuh! Should sue the business, not themselves. Watching Spike’s Power Block and distracting myself.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:32pmYou absolutely correct and I don’t patronize any business that has a no gun sign but, the bigger problem is the employees of these business that can’t even leave a gun in their locked car a while they work. My wife for a large national company and their Nashville office employees over 800 people. This is a no guns allowed company even in their parking lot. She has to drive 40 miles each way to her office, so even though she has a carry permit she has to leave her gun at home because she could be fired for having it in her locked car in the parking lot.
Report Post »JP4JOY
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 2:17pmDemand the businesses hire a person to receive and safely store the fire arms while you go shopping so that your guns will be safe. Of course the person handling the guns would have to be certified and licensed and the vault would have to comply with standards. Also it would have to be housed off premises so as to comply with the owners rules. This would mean a separate company and business license to comply with the wishes of the owners.
Report Post »Cause the stupids to bear the cost of their stupidity and soon they will stop.
RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 3:37pmHUGH WILLIAMS, That has to be rough for your wife. Certainly don’t wish for anything bad to happen with her employer, but should something like a long running domestic disturbance result in shooting where all are forced to be unarmed. I would hope that the remaining employees on site and exposed to the danger sue the company out of business for failure to protect them. I hate to see this happen with shooting in malls, but the lawyers tend to snag every business in the periphery of a shooting/murder and sue them for failing to protect the public at large. I know better, anybody can get murdered next door to a police department, but turn some of these strange laws and lawsuits back on restrictive businesses. Back in the very early ’90s we had a domestic shooting on Ft McClellan when the estranged civilian husband drove onto post and hunted his wife down in the same office building where I worked, and murdered her. I had just begun my drive home a few minutes earlier. Naturally, we were all disarmed. The woman was dead, and the assailant gone before the MPs were even called. Not only am I a retired MP, but also a former civilian cop. And, I fully believe in the saying, seconds count, when the cops are minutes away.
Report Post »FNTM
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 5:28pmThat will help all of us gun carryers to know which businesses not to frequent.
Report Post »Hugh Williams
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 5:53pmRJJINGADSDEN
Report Post »I agree with your post. This is a very complex issue. I do believe in the importance of protecting private property rights but, if this interferes with another person’s 2nd Amendment rights what is the answer? Even the best police force in the country for the most part doesn’t prevent crimes from happening. The police investigate and hopefully solve the crime and the courts punish the guilty. But everyone needs to be able to protect themselves because the police cannot be with everyone all the time. I would also like to add if an unarmed employee of a business that will not allow permit holders to keep their gun in their car in the parking lot is a victim of violent crime either going to work or coming home they should be able to sue their employer for forcing them to be unarmed.
amerbur
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:29amGet out of our lives, you have gone too far, you are crazy. We will push back hard. You will all be fired.
Report Post »what4
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:10pmThis is another one of Pislosi’s Nazis from the bay OF WACKOS area thrying to impose their ******* ways on MY TOWN……..Better Move soon Baker! We dont take to your kind to nicely here!
Report Post »loveoursoldiers
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:29amSmart people who are unfortuinate to live there need to pack up and get the he ll out of Dodge before they enforce the 1 piece of paper per potty rule.
Report Post »little big man
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:04amYou don’t need toYou don’t need toilet paper, do like the Philippineos did while I was in the service on Diego Garcia. Keep a used coffee can full of water next to the toilet and use your dip your fingers in water then wipe.
Report Post »blanco5
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:27amIt’s called….MOVE!!!!!!
Report Post »powder211
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 2:16pmmoving is expensive, and so are the doctor bills. It seems people could agree to be more thoughtful, doesn’t it? And I’m not on the left.
Report Post »Freedom from liberals
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 2:45pmPowder you are dilusional. Cig smoke rises it doesn’t go sideways. You really believe that outddor cig smoke gets into your house, heaven help you.
Report Post »what4
Posted on February 26, 2012 at 9:29amSpeakin of moving, They are re-drawing our district to favor the Dem’s…..Placer Co has long been a Rep. stronghold in this state but new rules for redistricting are tipping the whole state to the Dumbocrats!
Report Post »Jeetman
Posted on February 26, 2012 at 10:39pmLOL. let me get this straight. From what I’m reading here from the majority of you…
If you smoke that is your right. Even if your neighbor finds it repulsive and harmful to themselves and their children. You smoke outside keeping the smoke out of your home to some degree (depending on the season) but are releasing your toxins that permeate your neighbors yard while he/she’s trying to maybe lounge around or play with their kids in the back yard, and you all believe that the “non-smoking” neighbor should move??? Here’s a clue… STOP slowly killing yourself or get it over with quicker so the people who DO value their health do not have to breath your poison.
For you dumb smokers: Emphysema is a horrible way to die. I watched my mother in law do it. She was a chain smoker. I told her many many times to quit. She always shrugged it off. That was until she developed emphysema. You suffer badly in the last 5 years of your life. I also lost my Aunt and my Uncle has been diagnosed with emphysema also.
I understand the fear of government getting into our personal lives but common sense would have a sane person realize that the non-smoker should have the sympathy here. Not the moron who smokes.
Report Post »spreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:27amWhy not ban PHARTING,,,,,,,,,,,breath that
Report Post »hatchetjob
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:18pmI can relate.
Report Post »Pokerjoe
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:27amI say lets have a cook out. Ribs,sauage,burgers. Oh yes beer. Use any kind of wood to smoke the meat with. Thats almost any kind of wood.
Report Post »supressorgrid
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:27amWhat is next, your nextdoor vegetarian niebor sues cause the smell of you frying chicken makes them sick? This being thes nastiest smelliest dustyiest smokiest state I have ever been in, and this woman blames her kid’s asthma on the guy smoking next door? Maybe she should buy space suits for her precious ones so they can live in their own environment.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:11pmIf this passes, the next thing they will want banned will be cars on the street where they live claiming the exhaust makes their kids sick. then they will demand that the entire town ban cars because when they go shopping, the exhaust sickens the kids.
These people are beyond stupid, oh but it is California – - – what else could you ever expect.
Report Post »JP4JOY
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 2:23pmYour car puts out thousands of time the amount of formaldehyde when it starts that cigarettes do and that is probably the worst part of second hand smoke. I agree, let’s ban cars!! LOL
Report Post »scrapadapolis
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:26amI think if a law like that does pass in cali,Ny will be next.
Report Post »spreadcommonsensenot pc
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:26amCali SMOG——equals asthma
Report Post »babylonvi
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:54pmWhy the smog? What do you think all the spraying they are doing in the atmosphere is doing. Some days it looks like tic tack toe up there.
Report Post »arfarb55
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:25amIs this ban to include smoking POT? Probably not, it is California after all. Thank GOD for TEXAS!
Report Post »kentuckypatriot
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:00amgreat post! yes, I wondered about the pot smoke. What’s the difference?
Report Post »5emerald29
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:56pmOh the whole pot thing in Cali is just fine….theres no harm in pot smoke wandering into someone’s yard…..that is until someone sues because they became obese, after getting the munchies because of second hand pot smoke!
Report Post »Imagettinsome
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:25amI find this hard to believe, either their houses are right on top of each other or this guy is smoking a half a pack at a time. Good luck with enforcement.
Report Post »HonorableIntentions
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:24amLet’s just outlaw tobacco, period. Then we can leave it all up to the drug cartels. After all, they’re doing such a good job with all the other illegal drugs. Honorable-Intentions.com
Report Post »jmmjr49er
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:24amOh dear, little kids smell cigarette smoke and it hurts their lungs. Put a bubble around your house!
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:04amThey don’t have a problem with a week old “litter box” .
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:23amOf course the government will have to pay,at taxpayer expense of course,people to enforce this BS law.
Report Post »Too many BS laws and regulations already and these bastards continue making more to ‘protect’ us.
Government gone wild and we need to make government smaller not bigger.
justangry
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:28amYeah, like the police don’t have anything better to do in California. Who cares about all the gangstas in that hell hole, let’s police smokers and people throwing frisbies at the beach. Pfft!
Report Post »endgamer
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:21amThe libertarian answer? If you don’t like the law, change it or MOVE!! I don‘t smoke and don’t have a problem with those who do. It’s their right to put in their bodies what they choose. The consequences are their own. SO if they have like minded people that want to restrict outside smoking and personal liberty, when they lose their tax base from people moving, city council will change their mind.
Paul/Napolitano 2012
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on February 27, 2012 at 4:55pmI agree! Paul/Napolitano 2012!
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:21amWell I guess people in Cali. will have to start wearing shoe’s made of hemp and have on a shirt with the colors of the “rain bow” with the letter OWS on the front and back, while driving around in a Pink Prius ,with a Obama bumper sticker, smoking their favorite tobacco in a Huka .
Report Post »Then it will be OK….!
sawbuck
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:30amspelling correction… my bad “Hookah”
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:22amLOL, good one, but I think you must mean marijuana instead of tobacco.
Report Post »hi
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:19amShe needs to sell her house and move. You can’t force you will on people.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:21amIts CALIFORNIA…sure they can. Just watch.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:26amNow that would be the liberals way, just take what you want and Screw everybody else. So the escalation goes on, the more rights they take, the more rights they take, So when do you put a stop to liberals?
Report Post »Independent-Conservative
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:04amHow is the smoker not forcing their will on the family in the article? Moving is difficult to do these days if you own.
Many of these comments remind me of how ignorant people can be. I actually have direct experience with this issue myself due to an unruly neighbor who flat out refuses any type of compromise. Most of you if not all have no idea what it’s like to live in a place where you are bombarded with cigarette smoke non-stop. It is infuriating. I am actually in the process of trying to move myself because of it, but it’s not that easy ladies and gents.
The article clearly states the people complaining attempted a peaceful resolution and some neighbors would not comply. You have your right to poison your body as much as you want with that garbage, but as soon as you begin poisoning my son or my daughter’s body with your disgusting habit, I do have a major problem with it. Why won’t their neighbor smoke inside their own house? Why is it ok for them to have their habit directly effect others despite it originating from their own property? If I blast my stereo at 3AM, would the police not come to my door telling me to stop? Cali is crazy more often than not, but I feel this conversation is fair considering the situation.
This crowd is supposed to be better than those at HuffPo, MSNBC, the DailyKos, etc…Yet many of these comments tell a very different story. We are as polarized as ever and many are incapable of logical thought anymore.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:43amINDEPENDENT-CONSERVATIVE, so be just as those in this article and make your neighbor bend only to your ways of life. Okay, I do not know your property positions and distances as far as you are concerned, but where there is a will there is a way to overcome obstacles, rather than demanding to remove your neighbor’s freedom. Other than being a busy body, do you suppose you have any habits he must find distasteful?
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:28pmINDEPENDENT-CONSERVATIVE
Report Post »You live over a Bar ..??
Give me a break with your half truth crap ..tell the truth.
Your only a “conservative” when it suits you.
brntout
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:14amHuh,what?She must be one lousy cook if she’s smelling smoke all the time.Remember she’s standing by her pantry,which I assume is in her kitchen…First it was pubic(sic) areas and now the stay at home vermin who are not smart enough to go outside when they smell smoke,much less call the fire department(maybe?) join in on the fray.Now cops can pull you over if you’re smoking with a kid in the car.Thank you Californications, you have proven my case posted yesterday on DNA for felony arrests.You continue to make me hope the Rockies will be the new beach front properties.
Report Post »susie4dy
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:13amI live here in alifornia and every time I read something about my state it taking someones liberty away! I live in a dicator state!! And I want to move but can’t afford it!
Report Post »sndrman
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:18ami live in new york and it’s just as bad here,we‘ve thought of maybe moving to a red state but you still can’t escape from the feds……so what to do?remember how the (d)’s called the (r)rino‘s during bush’s 8 years called him and them faciests while they’re doing the same but at supesonic speed cause this time will pass so do as much as you can and yes disregard the congress and while the (r) is congress are quiet and STUPID…. so we see the real faciests
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:20amI sold everything I had to esacpe Nevada many years ago. I am back in Texas now where there is still a little bit of common sense and sanity…well until you get to Austin..
I would NEVER in a million years live in California. I wont even visit there and spend any money there. Do yourself a favor and go broke and get out before you actually go broke and are trapped forever…
Report Post »db321
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:28amNo you need to stay right were your at. Every State has some wacko liberal Politician calling for some kind of Socialist agenda every year – at present, we have enough conservative votes to shut them down. It is getting harder. You’re find where your at.
Report Post »brntout
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:35am@ BADDOGGY I hear you.Was sentenced to two months at the Presidio in Slum from Sisco while the Army was trying to find out why I was suffering from terrible migrains.Had to think why since I was in the USAF and stationed in Arizona.Fishermans Wharf was a hoot, but the rest of the time was holed up due to their guinea pig treatment utilizing a regimen of Elavil(anti-depressant) in massive amounts which equated to a lot of pizza orders.
Report Post »demsaredumb
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:06pm@baddogy
“I would NEVER in a million years live in California. I wont even visit there and spend any money there. Do yourself a favor and go broke and get out before you actually go broke and are trapped forever…”
Problem is they move to another state and try to impose their kalifornian morals to that state because the don’t know any better.
Report Post »B-Neil
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:09amI quit smoking for financual reasons. If one Family can get legal force from the Government to Ban a legal substance. Then by God I want the Government to Ban; PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS. Do you think I’ll get action out of the Government?? PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS are a hazard to mental health. CARRY ON McDUFF
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:48amB-NEIL, I‘ll second that ’ban.’ Sounds more than reasonable to me.
Report Post »florida123
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:06amOk how do you police this? You prosecute on the neighbors word? Or maybe close circut cameras monitored by the neighbor? This is absolutely ridiculous!
Report Post »angeleyes63
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 11:38amRemember every nosy neighbor has a cell phone with a camera, and bang you’re on candid camera california style. Ain’t it great?
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 12:19pmCommiefornia style.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:06amFreedom and Liberty…anyone seen it lately?
Report Post »Ron Paul 2012 to end the BS!
Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on February 25, 2012 at 10:04amHorse Hockey.Just some Ultra Lib wanting power to enforce her doctrine.
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