Can the ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill Send Americans to Military Prison Without Trial?
- Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:45pm by
Buck Sexton
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U.S. Citizens suspected of terrorism and caught on U.S. soil forfeit their rights to due process and the presumption of innocence underlying the Constitution.
That appears to be the current position of the Senate, according to many legal analysts and some in Congress, unless President Obama vetoes the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) passed on Tuesday.
Two provisions that have survived heated debate in the massive NDAA, also called Senate Bill 1867, are causing these concerns. Once the House and Senate bills are reconciled, they will head to the President’s desk to be signed into law, or struck down with the veto pen.
The NDAA bill, which passed 97-3 in the Senate, would fund a huge swathe of military operations for 2012. But tucked into the bill are provisions dealing with detention of terrorism suspects that cut deeply into the Constitutionally-guaranteed rights of U.S. citizens in the post-9/11 era. Now referred to by some as the “indefinite detention bill,” it has caused a firestorm of controversy from disparate corners of government and American society.
The controversial components of the bill can be broken down into two parts. The first questionable portion of the bill (section 1031) explicitly exempts U.S. citizens, and according to Slate, states that the government would be mandated to place into military custody:
“any suspected member of Al Qaeda or one of its allies connected to a plot against the United States or its allies.. [and] would otherwise extend to arrests on United States soil. The executive branch could issue a waiver and keep such a prisoner in the civilian system.”
The second provision (section 1032), however, does not include an exemption for U.S. citizens, and would give the government “the legal authority to keep people suspected of terrorism in military custody, indefinitely and without trial.”
Outside of Congress, there has been widespread outrage that due process rights of U.S. citizens and the presumption of innocence before trial could become official casualties of “the war on terror.” The bipartisan eruption at the language in the bill, according to the Hill, is so severe and sweeping that even:
“The Obama administration has threatened to veto the Pentagon policy bill because it argues that the legislation places burdensome restrictions on federal law enforcement. [FBI Director] Mueller, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper all publicly opposed the provisions in the Senate bill last month before it passed.”
On top of that, libertarian and Tea Party favorite Rand Paul has come out strongly against the bill, and even protestors of Occupy Wall Street and the Hacker collective known as “Anonymous” have expressed outrage under the assumption the NDAA could be used against them.
Here is a video of Senator Rand Paul making the case on the floor of Congress that the Senate-passed NDAA Bill would be a grave threat to the civil liberties of all Americans:
The President, on the other hand, explained that his opposition to the bill comes from his fear that it could constrain his executive authority to deal with terrorists, which as Commander-in-Chief, currently allows him to determine whether a civilian or military trial will be held.
But the language in the NDAA would take that discretion out of the Executive’s hands, and does appear to open the door to indefinite military detention of anyone suspected by the U.S. government of being a member of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, its affiliates, or assisting any of those groups, until the end of hostilities.
As Senator Paul stated, the likely timeframe covered by this bill may threaten due process even more than previous suspensions of Constitutional protections (such as Lincoln’s suspension of habeus corpus during the Civil War) because the country is engaged in a decade-long war that is unlikely to end at any point soon.
If the NDAA is allowed to eliminate a Constitutional right as part of the “war on terror,” it may never be returned as the struggle against extremism will be a never-ending battle.
To placate critics of the bill, Senator Diane Feinstein added an Amendment to the NDAA that leaves it even more open-ended. The Feinstein amendment, according to the Lawfare blog:
“Offered a fall-back… altering section 1031 so as to say that it should not be construed as taking a position on the US citizen question one way or the other. That amendment was adopted…the sponsors can read Hamdi [v. Rumsfeld] and other authorities broadly, and opponents can read it more narrowly, and this bill does not endorse either side’s interpretation, but leaves it to the courts to decide.”
So even with the Feinstein Amendment, there appears to be much left undecided. When the next terrorist attack occurs, if a U.S. citizen is captured on U.S. soil, the courts will have to revisit this problem and issue an entirely new ruling. But if the NDAA is passed as is, the right to due process will have been overridden by Washington’s stated desire to fight terrorism.
As the federal government struggles to balance liberty and security in an era of grave and asymmetric terrorist threats, many Americans are forced to consider the question:
Has the “war on terror” finally put one tear too many in the Constitution?
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Die Trying
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:25pmwant to see an army vet become a domestic terrorist? If they pass this law and I will adopt a strategy of asymmetric warfare against the US government. It’s been nice knowing you patriots. I will see you on the field of battle, hopefully by my side.
To my brothers and sisters in the military, join us, do not resist us.
Report Post »lodgerat
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:40pmMore and more people are starting to think like you. I love Glenn but just trying to love everyone won’t work. The Socialist and Marxist will laugh and just keep on destroying the Constitution. At what point do people run these people out of Washington? The Patriot Act was the first step, in the name of protecting us, to destroy our liberty. Well that isn’t totally true, the progressives have chipped away at it for100 years but the Patriot act was the first major whack at it.
Report Post »Emrys
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:42pmI wonder which three voted against this. I’m assuming Rand Paul was one of them.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:43pmThose who have family and friends in the military MUST speak to them about this .. be sure they know what IS America’s “side” and the side of TREASON.
TEA!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:47pmThey don’t realize that real men are not going to wait until they come, but are going to come meet them.
Just got some more ammo today.
Resist the Nazi POLICE STATE!!!!!!
***WARNING***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBVVfed4cpA
Report Post »burnteye86
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:53pmOur Founding Fathers tried to break away from King George peacefully but he was having none of it. When they came to take away the colonists guns…it was on.
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:53pmThe Communists that control this country know that the Civil War is coming soon, and they are just putting in place, the means to lock up the patriots that will be trying to take back our country from the evil, lying traitors that have hijacked it.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:57pmThis is old news. Wait until you read the one where RAND PAUL PREVENTS WAR WITH RUSSIA!
Report Post »Google it!
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:00pmUnderstand one thing clearly here, the Fed’s can declare ANYONE as a terrorist and detain them w/o trial; look at how often anyone on the conservative or tea party side have been deemed by Napoletano as a ‘terrorist threat”.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:10pmWill a candidate that supports this rise/fall in the polls? Would some of you still support your pick of president if he/she supported this? I wonder which presidential candidates will support/condemn this?
Report Post »Libertarian B 4 Libertarians Were Cool
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:11pmAnd so liberty dies with hardly a whimper….
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:23pmAll you have to do is look up my posted name on gmail, and let me know, i’m with you
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:27pmNepollitano, Read This First
This Is An Act Of War On The American People
This must be opposed by all means necessary to the American People and their Sovereign State. This is specifically illegal under the US Constitution Bill of Rights and Federal Law. Millions of us knew this was coming when the Communist gained control of Congress and the White House. If the Obama Regime illegally attempted and in fact armed Mexican Drug Cartel Forces then he is guilty of Treason. We know that he did this.
This is an Act of War against the American People.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:28pmDieTrying,
Please don’t do anything stupid. There is still time to do this peacefully. We do not want to see you on the news going out in a Blaze of glory. You will validate their efforts, and make it even for us to fight and win this battle in the peaceful arena of ideas and elections.
You will be getting a knock on the door, I can all but guarantee that. You have just DECLARED WAR on the government, you have made their point! Give it some time, light up the phone lines and email.
Stay calm Y’all. We are being pushed, but now is not the time to push back. Not while we still have a voice and a few good defenders of the Constitution in office.
Ookspay
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:32pmObama and Nepollitano have labeled the TEA Party as terrorists and subversives. The TEA is now threatened with imprisonment. This only happens is totalitarian nations or in nations where a dictator faces expulsion at the voting polls. How could the GOP betray us, its John McCain the communist brainwashed POW.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:40pmV-Man, I love Ya Brother, but hold on…not yet, there’s still time, but it is 11:55 .
Report Post »Freedomtothink
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:41pmBe careful what you say. Nobody passes a law like thi unless they plan on using it.
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:46pmUnderstand one thing. There was a bill passed in 2006 (Santorum voted for it) It was also a ‘defense’ bill. In that bill, which they passed, it took away the Geneva Convention rights of ‘terrorists.’
For those who were saying “You guys should stop with the tin-foil hats” whenever FEMA camps were mentioned. Do you really think they don’t exist now? How about the fact that KBR is advertising for contractors to man it and supply it with food, medical, sanitation, laundry, etc, saying the winner needs to be able to fulfill their contract at a moments notice.
Remember how you all cheered whenever the police went after the OWS people? Well, now they are going to come for YOU. It is being taught (a question on a test for poilice, or is it military.. I’ll have to look that up again) that ‘protesting’ is a form of ‘minor terrorism.’
It’s sad to see this country coming down to this, but we spent too much time pointing the finger of blame at each other and not at the real culprits. They divided us, turned us against each other, blinded us with bread and circus, then slipped behind us to hamstring the Constitution and the people of this once great country.
Michelle said it was the first time she was ever really proud of her country? Well, this is the first time I’ve ever been ashamed of it!
Check the rosters of both House and Senate. Find out what the active members who are candidates voted on this bill, the vote accordingly.
Peace
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:50pmGlen Beck,
Thank you for having the resolve to put this on your web site. Everyone has over 7 days of food in their home. We all have over 7 boxes of pasta and several pounds of rice. How could John McCain and my two Senators vote for this?
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:54pmBegrudgingly, DIETRYING is right. The Continental Congress 2009 and Predecessior We The People Foundation have exhausted all efforts to force government to answer Petitions for Redress, which is integreal to Magna Carta Article 61 WAR against a Rogue Government.
One issue was the Electronic and other Vote Scam that is our Election process between the Controlling Bi-noploy Viking and Visigoth Parties controlled by the Monopoly Bar Associations.
The Elections will not matter, because the choice has already been made for you.
Defenders of the Constitution in the Congress makes no effect on the usurpers in the Courts who have removed the Restrictive Clauses of the Preamble of the Bill of Rights from their Federal Practice Books and have attached a plethora of Rules to Common Fundamental Rights that are supposed to be a Right – as the breathing of Air. (See; WestGroup Federal Rules of Procedure and Title 28, also W.Va. Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette) Also look at both of the Hamdi v. Rumsfeld cases, and how Scalia flip flops around knowing that nobody will read the cases to see that he is just a pay per episode actor.
It has taken 20 years of my life to see this day, that the Velvet Glove is finally off the Naked Fist of Iron. We are here. It is now clear to all, on the construct Left and construct Right, you have been played.
Do not waste your energy with the Politics. learn about who you are inperpetuumrights.blogspot.com
Report Post »TheWholeTruth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:57pmYes, THANK YOU Glenn… better late than never. I was on here screaming about this before they passed it in the Senate, trying to get people to hear and know and call about it. Only AFTER the fact did it show up on here. That’s why I come here just to see what everyone is squabbling over. I get my news from another source.. and so far, he’s been spot on accurate.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:01pm@OOSPAY – it is not 11:55. The Euro is about to take its last breath. We are at 11:59 and 15 Seconds if not :30 by Monday.
Our Time is up. now is the day you choose whom you serve, yourselfNatural law that is survivable, over this Chaos of man’s laws. Unalienable Rights that are absolute, over Rules of Man’s Statues.
The Flag of Martial Law or the Gadsden Flag “Don’t Tread on Me”
Wat Tyler Revolt! War by Rule fo their Law (Hamdi v. Rumsfeld) Magna Carta Article 61!
G-D have mercy on us all.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:04pmHow can we save this wonderful speech? I am confident this video will be taken down from YouTube and Harry Reid will order this speech stricken from the Congressional Record. This is war, our own Congress has suspended our US Constitution and put us at the mercy of a life threatening Executive Branch. We have no choice but to now fight to defend the US Constitution, the oath millions of us have taken to God.
Report Post »762x51
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:15pmThe A-holes in Congress do not have the authority to OVERRIDE Constitutionally guaranteed rights. If they think they do then they should bring it on and try it, I triple dog dare them to try.
I would extend the invitation to our sons and daughters in the military to join us and include law enforcement in the U.S. If those people decide to enforce tyranny there is going to be a terrible civil war, I mean a real shooting war, on the streets of this country. I will not comply with these unconstitutional and therefore illegal laws and neither will many others. When you see this criminal government start to round up some of your neighbors check your calendar because it will only be a short time before they come for you. This is to expected from totalitarian Marxists and can only be stopped on the battlefield. These power mad tyrants presume they can now rule us, they are mistaken.
Sic semper tyrannis.
Report Post »phillipwgirard
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:16pm@ V MAN MACE,,,,, watched the video, You walk the walk, YOUR MY NEW HERO, THANKS
Report Post »Shane74
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:21pmThe list of traitors:
Ayotte (R-NH)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagan (D-NC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lee (R-UT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Moran (R-KS)
Nelson (D-NE)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA)
Vitter (R-LA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)
Anybody who doubted FEMA camps, needs to look into that right now! This is being done, because the greatest theft in the history of mankind is revealing itself. Also, look up the “partial audit of the FED”.
These “leaders” aren’t going to just let the American public arrest them for their crimes. Hence, the NDAA, the activation THIS WEEK of FEMA camps (it appears, anyway. Leaked info…), and possibly a group of National Guard members who stood down when given a survey asking if they would fire on American citizens. (Again, alleged. But the world i
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:22pm@762X51 – you mention the Military.
I suspected that the Military will not be able to return home to be a wild card, as they are cut off from supplies in Afghanistan due to pakistan’s discontent, and they will be shortly after the Euro Colapses by Monday if not the end fo the Year.
Pray for them. I mean on your knees. Good thing they have a Zombie Plan mentaility, for they will have no friends to help them.
Excellent Choice in Caliber.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:23pmMr Salvage, I fear you may be right. Man I wish I lived in Texas. Texas National Guard might not roll over so easily. Time for practice drills patriots, check supplie. Man I wish it wasn’t winter.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:45pmThis detention is what is done in nations like Kenya and North Korea and free nations. This is what happens when America elects a foreigner for President, someone is not native born. Americans knew this yet voted for Obama anyway.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:46pmThis detention is what is done in nations like Kenya and North Korea not free nations. This is what happens when America elects a foreigner for President, someone is not native born. Americans knew this yet voted for Obama anyway.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:59pmRemember the article about the police getting drones?
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:15pmOne of the last key steps before they attempt to take our guns. I see UN troops not US troops if this occurs. Too many US troops would resist this unconstitutional order.
Merle Haggard – Fightin side of me (a modern reflection)
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLhH2wCtAQ
steve50fla
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:24pmReal trouble is coming that is clear the question is when will we ban together together we have a better than fair chance. But no matter what one thinks all the dots are forming a very clear and troubling pattern and I am afarid all brabches of government are in on this. Just look at the debt they have run up the all know this will cause a steady decline in America rampated inflation. They know we will turn on them for this so they mean to lock many of us up. Be ready when this starts it will start fast with out warrning.
Report Post »Banter
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:43pmI am shocked that Rubio, DeMint, and Lee voted for this abomination. Should I really be shocked, or consider myself fooled that they really meant what they said they stand for?
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:45pmWhile ‘love’ is not likely to do anything except encourage the communists there is little that can be done to dissuade the “U.S. government” from destroying this nation.
We all know, only too well, that government has no problem killing its own citizens. As was very horrifically demonstrated by B.J.Clinton and his “Attorney General”, head of the “justice” department, J.Reno, at both Ruby Ridge Idaho and at the Branch Davidians compound in Waco Texas.
Frankly, if you think this ‘is’ America, you are mistaken. Actions speak louder than words. And there isn’t a single act by government that demonstrates that assumption.
What can be done? As much as I’d like to, not one single thing.
Report Post »Johnny Rico
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:50pmLooking forward to meeting you guys in the “Camps”. Anybody got experience with tunneling?
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:51pmAre there foreign troops occupying our bases? How many? One way to obtain this information would be to look at the food being thrown out at the chow hall. US Army food is different than Chinese Army food. Russian army food is different than Chinese Army food. Knowing that US military people may not follow orders to arrest American for nothing, Obama could rely on foreign troops. Dress them up in US Army Uniforms and who will notice?
liberum1776
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:03pm@Ookspay – The time for the government to finish us off is during the winter. They control the food distribution. Most people have, at most, 3-4 days worth of food in their homes. People panic these days when they see a storm coming and run to the store to “stock-up” on food (usually junk and a gallon of milk). It will, this year or next, be a long, lonely, cold winter.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:10pma true vet would not put this in print you progressive plant!
Report Post »Grey Eagle
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:19pmApparently, this does NOT apply to the Major who killed all of those soldiers at Ft. Hood. They plan to call it workplace violence instead of terrorism. This guy also murdered a pregnant soldier ready to go on maternity leave. He chased some of them down to shoot them. This was in TX papers. However, the fact he killed a pregnant woman did not appear anywhere but TX. Obama and his goons want to jail the rest of us, but not this Muslim killer. Wonder why? Bet I know.
Report Post »KTsayz
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:22pmCitizens, it is up to you to vet each candidate on their positions regarding the Patriot Act, Dept of Homeland Security (which includes the TSA), the Military Commissions Act (which allows for FEMA camps to be built) and now this National Defense Authorization Act.
Bachmann – voted for extention of Patriot Act and defends it
Gingrich – at CNN National Security debate Nov 2011 said he would extend the Patriot Act “and build an honest understanding that all of us will be in danger for the rest of our lives.” He also said he is looking to STRENGTHEN IT!
In 2007, Newt said he wants to “establish a nationwide ID card with biometrics so you can actually track everybody in the country.”
It is apparent Gingrich is preparing for eternal war.
Romney, Santorum both support Patriot Act.
Perry said that it was “unprincipled” for Republicans to vote in favor of creating the Department of Homeland Security. Said Patriot Act needs strengthening.
Ron Paul would abolish TSA and leave airport security to the airports, would not sign an extension of the Patriot Act and has ALWAYS voted against it, voted AGAINST the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security, voted AGAINST the Military Commissions Act, and, though I can’t find any commemt about the NDAA, I‘m sure he’s just as against it as his son is.
So who do you want as president?
Report Post »starla0313
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:40pmHere is the link for a petition to stop this from being signed in to law. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-ndaa-2012-now/
Petition STOP NDAA 2012 NOW!
Report Post »http://www.ipetitions.com
This is petition for STOP NDAA 2012 NOW!. Join the movement! Sign now!
Mimi24
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:47pmYou have more like minded people than you know. We may be the silent majority. But we are still the majority.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:53pmOOKSPAY-
What voice do you think you have? How many polls show Romney like 4th or 5th only to have MSM and Fox news say he is front runner? You have no voice and your vote will count for squat because they are only going to give you the choice they want you to choose. There is only one candidate who will actually try to fix things, to upset the apple cart. But, the Republican party will not allow him to get the nomination. Paul isn’t extreme, he is just right.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:56pmWHoletruth-
Report Post »They didn’t take away Geneva convention rights for terrorists. Terrorist were never protected by the Geneva convention because they are unlawful combatants. Just like mercenaries have no protections.
hidden_lion
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 9:05pmCauseforliberty-”Too many US troops would resist this unconstitutional order.”
Look at how many resisted during Katrina….None. They went door to door removing the peoples firearms, leaving them defenseless. I would not plan on the military making the right choice.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 9:07pmLODGERAT is right! You’re both right…Yea Glenn maybe we should hold hands and sing Koombaya…MEN you are thinking correctly-we are talking treason against the USA in so many ways..
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 9:17pmMilitary conducts drill to confront riots
youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9_5aBU33E
US troops training for “urban warfare”
youtube.com/watch?v=1hglvE0QTAY
Military training to shutdown US cities
youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ
Troops sent in after Katrina
youtube.com/watch?v=DK2g0TGaAZA
Police and National Guard confiscate guns after Katrina
youtube.com/watch?v=1Njg4eB_Mfk
Don’t forget the recent TSA checkpoints. The Government sure as heck knows somethings coming. Well… They’ve at least been planning for it, while most Americans have been asleep.
Don’t worry, we’ll have the DHS, FEMA, TSA, UN Troops, ATF, and Napolitano to protect us.
DHS labels pro-lifers and veterans as “rightwing extremists”
valuesvoternews.com/2009/04/department-of-homeland-security-label.html
Obama’s Homeland Security Labels White Americans as Terrorists
ice-news.net/2011/08/04/obama%E2%80%99s-homeland-security-labels-white-americans-as-terrorists/
Joe Biden likened TEA Partiers to terrorists
politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html#ixzz1eV6Eg1R2
Oh yeah, and they can assassinate you now, by Executive order and discretion. Ain’t that great?
Report Post »marybethelizabeth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 9:58pmPresident Obama has stated that he will veto this bill.
However if he reneges on his promise, then:
here’s another story that Mr Beck got wrong, because of political correctness.
Report Post »Starting last week Mr. Beck was saying that American streets have become a battlefield.
If the bill becomes law he would be right. But:
then he said the ACLU analysis was that the military would be used against Americans.
But since, because of political correctness, he can’t agree with anything the ACLU says he said it was the department of justice that would be going after the citizenry.
As if a bunch of US assistant attorneys would be out on the streets swinging their briefcases at bad guys.
So now he has flip flopped.
The truth is the truth but Mr. Beck is more interested in promoting an ideology than telling the truth.
TheWholeTruth
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 10:58pmHIDDEN_LION
Here’s the bill: S. 3930 [109th]: Military Commissions Act of 2006
Here’s the text: Section 3 -Defines an “unlawful enemy combatant” as a person who has: (1) engaged in or supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant; or (2) been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or other tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense (Secretary). Defines a “lawful enemy combatant” as a person who is a member of: (1) the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States; (2) a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or (3) a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United States…….Prohibits a combatant subject to trial by commission from invoking the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights.
Trouble is, they want to treat a person like they are military “War on Terror” using military commission yet they cannot invoke the GC as rights.
Report Post »GUNNSUP
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:00pmI’ve will be there DIETRYING, I’ve got your 6…..
Report Post »Marci
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:03pmBioEngineer–cute, call Glenn a Muslim hater and blame him for speaking about the truth. He hasn’t caused the problem, nor does he perpetuate what you accuse him of. Empty head?The truth is there for you to find if you bother to look. If you honestly believe there is no issue, then go stand with radical Islam and see how you fare.
Report Post »TheWholeTruth–who cheered when the police went after OWS? Cities at the orders of moonbat mayors and other ridiculous officials have allowed these people to break laws, perpetuate violence, peddle drugs and illegally occupy property while forcing the taxpayer to pay for the shoveling of the stench and health hazards. On the other side, The Tea Party had to go through hoops to get a mere permit and cities have billed them for things where the costs have not been incurred. The First Amendment is not absolute, the OWS crowd and the progressives that bow down to the idiocy only speak up when they feel they are being held back. They believe their rights are absolute and anyone who disagrees has no rights. So, tone down on your moonbattery. If you want to shed a tear for a progressively fueled movement that was ALLOWED to cost taxpayers millions and took the rights of businesses away (businesses in the near vicinities lost a lot of money through lack of patronage and vandalism), then give us a good reason why you would hold up your paper thin “hero” sign. It isn’t working.
This bill is insanity, and all who voted for it need a pink slip.
ChiefGeorge
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:13pmJesus and Paul inspired by Jesus indicate in the New Testament that we don’t grow in Love after his coming, we fall away, we adopt false gods, we harden our hearts (not all, but enough), we are given over to every immoral thing imagineable. This does not sound as if GBs rocket gets off the pad, its more of a manmade attempt at doing so. I’m truly troubled by those who really believe in their manmade works. Theres no difference in them and their counterparts the progressives, socialists, marxists, Utopians, Greenies, Lefties, Liberals, Demigods, etc.
The path to destruction my friends is wide and many will go there, the path to salvation is narrow and FEW find it. There is an inner reality at work here and most are missing it for the manmade one. If lets say 80% of the country is lost and I believe it is, then how does 20% turn it around? Lets say we do! Does that put off what the book of revelations says will happen? No it does not. If you believe in God as I do then you must accept his word as the ultimate truth and none can compare…thats NONE can Compare. We can minister to those who will accept the Lord and thats the best we can do. God does not implore us to conquer the world because he knows the world is already rejecting him like it did Jesus. You can no more say Just do Quality than you can say just do Love. Period.
Report Post »Wolf
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:13pmAnyone who thinks the Turd will veto this bill isn’t reading the bill- it gives him power to decide who is a terrorist and sent to the camps. Power is what he wants and will abuse with every opportunity he is given. This is in effect, the fed declaring war on the citizens of this country.
Report Post »Patriots who want to do something about the way this country is going, check here: http://www.meetup.com/Liberty-Summit/
ChiefGeorge
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:16pmJoin Oath Keepers today….I did.
Report Post »Anti_Spock
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:16pmOur government already treats ALL Americans as “terror suspects” at the airport. This law just gives them the authority to fly you to GITMO.
I am a veteran, and NRA member. In 2009, DHS put “veterans” on their watch list of people most likely to join right wing extremists groups. And now, Liberals are saying NRA members belong to right wing extremist groups/terrorist groups (source: http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-new-orleans/nra-puts-guns-before-country )
How much longer before my government decides to comes after me?
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:17pmTP would be right about big Sis.
Report Post »Workforit
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:26pmThe biggest story in the last two weeks and the blaze is finally getting to it… I’m not b$tchin…
I’m just Glad!
You are absolutely right, the one’s that will go down first are the older vets that know and the cops that stand up to the machine.
These are scary times… Obama will sign this bill. I‘ve read the argument as to why he won’t… He will sign, trust me. The progressive party has been waiting 100 years to get this far.
They are impatient and they will take the kill shot. They have worked so hard…
It will be high and to the left… A miss that will live in infamy!
And thank God for that!
Report Post »jwhop
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:45pmText of final language of S.1876…passed Senate
Text of S.1867, Section 1032 (b) 1&2
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
Now, would someone like to explain to me why anyone with all their marbles or even 2 braincells to rub together would believe a word coming out of the leftist fantasy rag “Slate”?
Section 1032 of Senate Bill S.1867 most certainly does have an exemption to military detention for Citizens of the United States…as well as Legal Resident Aliens.
Our Community Organizer O‘Bomber doesn’t want this legislation because he wants to continue to read American Constitutional Rights to terrorists captured on the battlefield…and hold them…and try them in US Criminal Courts.
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:07amLODGERAT The scriptures clearly tell us to love our enemies.. love those who would harm us.. I understand how you feel.. because I have had so much hatred for those who are purposely destroying our country.. but everyday I ask God to help me get past that.. and slowly but surely I feel it.. other days I am right back where I was before! Things I believe are going to become so horrible that men and women will die just hearing about it.. we must hold onto Jesus Christ.. how much He loved us.. so much that he died for us.. I guess the lesson is do what Jesus would do and He expects it from us! God help us!
Report Post »bioengineer
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:33amJust want to make a correction. Sen Mike Lee from Utah did NOT vote for this.J
Report Post »jzs
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:46amThis just shows that Republicans are in favor of bestiality and in favor of indefinite detention of US citizens. You guys seem to be blaming the Democrats, when Republicans can and do stop every bill that comes before them. But not this.
Why would Republicans block bills to create jobs, improve and repair US infrastructure, give tax breaks to average American citizens (via the payroll tax cut, and eliminating the Bush tax cuts for billionaires), and yet vote in favor of bestiality and indefinite detention of US citizens?
That’s weird. Republicans in the legislature have the votes to stop any bill at all with a filibuster, yet they are voting for bestiality and FEMA camp detention of anyone they “say” is affiliated with terrorists, eliminating due process.
Why do ya reckon Republicans are blocking every other initiative by the President, including tax cuts for average Americans and helping the disadvantaged, but voting for this one? Hmmm. Is this what their constituency wants?
lukerw
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:04amNo Habeas Corpus — then NEVER SURRENDER!
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:12amThe first person in this prison should be the potus!!!!!!
Report Post »Carl McPherson
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:50am@Die Trying
I‘m already on the list so I can’t be threatened into silence any longer. I’m with you my brother. There are many many with us. Ammo is stocked, alternate places to live, supplies in place and many others in full agreement of what to do.
I will not kill another man until it becomes a case of self-defense to protect myself and/or my family.
But… I will also not hesitate when it comes that time.
The time is quickly approaching.
Report Post »ghostsouls
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:15amWTF, obama and eric “my people” holder rally for the rights of terrorists, but American citizens denied due process????
Report Post »Bill Rowland
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:37amIt’s finally happening. The Federal Government has gotten larger and more powerful and convinced the electorate that they must give up constitional rights in the name of safety. I will take responsibility for my own safety in order to retain my liberty.
I am convinced that the next step is the appointment of a committee to screen the population for traitorous acts. You will be encouraged to report your neighbors. Does it remind anyone of Nazi Germany in the 30′s? Now you can be reported by E-Mail so it will be twice as fast for you to be reported and arrested.
We can only arm ourselves doe the coming conflict and pray that our military and National Guard will ignore and illegal orders coming from the Federal Government. They must remember that they swore to support an uphold the constition, not some communist in the White House.
OMG
Report Post »ARMED AND READY
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:18amGo to oathkeepers.org , I am standing beside you with my life, my fortune and my sacred honor so help me god.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:39amI just got an email, supposedly from a post on OathKeepers, that told a story of a guy’s friend in a National Guard unit (didn’t say which state) who him and his unit were asked to answer a poll after an exercise. It included the question would they fire on American citizens if asked to. He said he could not answer that question, laid down his gun and fell in behind the formation. Every single enlisted person followed suit, leaving only the officers. One of the officers got chest pains from screaming about courts martials. I think our military would refuse to detain just anyone.
Report Post »philipzhao
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 7:11amAsymmetric war is the kind of war developed by China against US “aggressors”. But in 2012 if Obama gets re-elected Americans will have to use clubs and stones to defend themselves against their own government.
Report Post »draginass
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 7:25amyou can add this old Marine to that list. In my youth I was willing to give my life for this Nation and still am, the big difference now is the enemy is within. All and I do mean all, the Capital hill gang are bent on destrying what I hold sacret. They have sold this country to the new order for shiny bobbles. next stop (reservations) history repeats.
Report Post »Tower7_TRUTH
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 7:45amWoW I am sooo happy Popular Mechanics has proven there are
no FEMA CAMPS.
Right Glenn ?
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:03amO, but if only we had a president that not only gave a speech like this, but deeply believed the words, as Rand Paul does.
Report Post »Me thinks the wrong Paul is running for president.
God bless Rand Paul!
worldwar3vet
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:12amWith You, Brother…
Report Post »this bill… just as the rest of the actions taken by this outlaw regime…. is designed to destroy the American way of life…. b hussein told us what he was going to do… these idiotic sheeple who fell for his propaganda hav’nt got a clue as to whats happening… they failed to learn from history… or even observe whats happening in todays world…. the big difference is that we wont have a freedom loving country come to our rescue when the final act is plsyed out….
we must defend ourselves and our way of life…
Cat
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:32amThe socialists have strengthened their hold on Americans
Report Post »FEMA camps are ready for those who resist
Prosperity is right around the corner …
Are you prepared?
TeaPartyGoth97
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:44amJohnny Rico
Report Post »no, but I’ve got experience with fighting. If I meet you, I hope to God it’s on a jailbreak.
FedUpWObama
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 9:57amWait, Obama is a threat against our country, how come he won’t be detained????? As far as I’m concerned, HE is the biggest Terrorist on American soil.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:21am@ V-man
Although I’ve disagreed with some of your assertions related to law enforcement, I do admire your tenacity of message delivery. I saw your video. I’m not really a fan of the facial identity mask because it reminded me of the Palestinian cowards that throw cocktail grenades, but then again I’m not the one standing on that street corner dealing with the collective ignorant masses either.
Like you, I buy ammo constantly and I’m trying to prepare for the day when someone comes to my home and tries to relieve me of my weapon.
Someday, we might actually find ourselves next to each other fighting. Me on the collective, and you on the door gunner position.
Be safe.
Report Post »dogue
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:26amHi blazers,I’ve been lurking here for quite some time and just joined.This is my first post. I‘ve noticed that a lot of members are buying guns and ammo to prepare to defend themselves and their country and I’m with you.I have one suggestion for everyone,learn to shoot those guns!Every time I go to the range all I see is shooters with guns propped on sandbags.I’m not trying to offend anyone,I just want to help you stay alive.Please attend an Appleseed Project event in your area.They‘ll teach you to shoot and you’ll learn something about our countries history.Get a Ruger 10 22, you can afford to practice every day if you have the time.Lets not be in a hurry to take up arms,if it comes to that it’s going to be a blood bath.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:32am@ dogue
Hi blazers,I’ve been lurking here for quite some time and just joined.This is my first post. Lets not be in a hurry to take up arms,if it comes to that it’s going to be a blood bath.
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Welcome to the board.
The Tree of Liberty is well overdue for a watering. I suspect that when it does finally get watered that it’ll explode from the sudden inundation.
Report Post »Ok-Sure
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:32amAmerican brother, careful what you say, big sis always has her ear to pressed tightly to the screen when it is not shoved up her bum. I am with you on defending our freedom, I’ll be there but only if it is necessary. We still have one hope. Ron Paul. If you want your freedom back he is the only hope we have in the next four years.
Report Post »SpaceCoyote
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:38amJust got of the phone with a buddy from the 10th Mnt. Inf. This is very disturbing. We both agreed that we have sworn to defend the constitution from enemies foriegn and domestic. Honestly though I think this is a trick. They put an outrageous bill before Obama and he vetoes it proving to America that he’s looking out for our best intrest. However, if this somehow comes into law many former and current military/law enforcement have a decision to make. To uphold our sworn oath would mean to take up arms against the United States. To act with arms would mean harming our own. To not act would be to serve up our children and neighbors to mouths of oppression and slavery.
Report Post »whatistruefreedom
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:51amBeck we care about you. Stop drinking that diet coke. Aspartame causes nerve damage.
Report Post »bringiton
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:08amI’m in!
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:11amAnyone here still thinks Ron Paul supporters are “conspiracy nuts”?
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:14amAs soon as this is passed call Homeland Security and report Van Jones as a terriost. He will just dissapear – poof. Don’t forget Bill Ayers and his wife, Robert Gibbs, & Theresa Heintz – poof.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:19amSo we have Homeland Security labeling tea partiers,Constitutionalist and militia as terrorist threats followed by a bill that allows the government to detain anyone who they think is a terrorist threat without probable cause,maranda,or civil rights. It is looking like Washington is gearing up to become the New Third Reich.
Report Post »To all those in law enforcement and the military remember all evil need to triumph is for good people to do nothing. When you recieve your order remember the oath you sworn before you execute them.
GeezOPetey
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:25amI have been saying this would happen to people now for 4 years…my friends are pretty much gone due to my sayings…..God Be With Us the Enemies are on the Doorstep….quite literally I fear
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:27amIt can‘t pass if Obama doesn’t sign it. DID OBAMA SIGN IT?
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:31am“because the country is engaged in a decade-long war that is unlikely to end at any point soon.”
Except that, well, we’re not. Congress has not formally declared war. They cannot claim war time powers, when Congress has not and refuses to declare war. Shrugging and saying “yeah, whatever” is not declaring war.
This won’t stand if it is signed. If it does, there will be gunfire in the streets, from the buildings, from behind every blade of grass, and not just from “radicals” either.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:57amWill a candidate that supports this rise/fall in the polls? Would some of you still support your pick of president if he/she supported this? I wonder which presidential candidates will support/condemn this?
Any candidate that would allow these Unconstitutional measures to go foward should rise or fall in the polls. They should physically drug out of office and place on trial for violations of their sworn duty and maybe even charged with treason.
Report Post »Bill in Texas
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:04pmI’m pretty sure that this will face court challenges to its Constitutionality. Be patient Patriots!
Report Post »We don‘t need any Tim McVei’s giving them a reason to userp any more authority. Please for the love of God be patient.
I still believe in this great nation. We will survive with our founders values intact. God Bless America!
HAPPYRWE
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:08pmWe don’t roll that way, we like order and good. We don’t believe in the government word “domestic terrorist”. We are patriots and lovers of freedom and God is our leader. We don’t like anarchy and chaos………..everything will work out, just have faith………
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:39pm@BillinTexas,
Patience indeed! This crappy bill has not been voted on in the House call and or email every member NOW!
It is time for those of us who stood by and allowed the Patriot Act to be enacted because it went after those“evil terrorists”, to rethink trading freedom for security. Americans did the same crap in WW2 when good Japaneses and German citizens were rounded up, no one said boo! Old Abe in the Civil war, same crap!
As bad as things may look at times, remember, conservatism is winning, slowly. We have had setbacks like GW Bush, but overall gains are being made. People are opening their eyes to the failures of liberalism and Big Government policies. Look back to the sixties When Johnson implemented most of the programs that have done so much damage; war on poverty, banning prayer in schools, school busing, medicaid, etc; Democrats had 70 plus votes in the Senate, a 3 to 1 ratio in the House, 3/4 of State Governors. The GOP and conservatives were powerless to do anything! They do not have that stranglehold anymore. Sure there have been big setbacks and sellouts, but overall things look better, stay the course.
Now is the time to really vet our candidates and hold their feet to the fire! Tea Party principles and true Constitutional conservatism can save the day! Get involved in the process, if “they” demoralize us they will win for sure…. but keep your powder dry and reserve all options.
Ookspay
Report Post »WWIISON
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:59pmMy father fought against this tyranny in WWII – and I will proudly honor his legacy.
Report Post »EveryManDies
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:59pmContact your elected officials!
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
First they came for the communists,
and I didn‘t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn‘t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn‘t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for me
Report Post »and there was no one left to speak out for me.
sweetcaroline912
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:11pmThese are the only seven senators who voted against S1867:
Report Post »Thomas Coburn (R-Oklahoma)
Thomas Harken (D-Iowa)
Mike Lee (R-Utah)
Jeff Merkley (D-Oregon)
Rand Paul (R-Kentucky)
Bernard Sanders (I-Vermont)
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)
Stalinist from Balkan
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:17pmHAHAHA American right-wing, anticommunist and cryptofascist in your govermant(with the support of Tea Party), are starting slowly to turn US in fascist Spain or Italy.No more USSR,so the capitalist elite(owners of the big corporations,and sponsors of your politicians) can do what ever they like,and don’t have to play nice guys any more.But anticommunist dummies here still blaming the “dirty commies” for this.You have been brainwashed so much in this past 70 years,that If they start to speak in German and puting you in gas chamber, idiots will still b yelling “IT’S THE COMMIES FAULT”.What a bunch of idiots you anticommunist are,no wonder your super-rich capitalist(coz they are the real rulers of the US,your govermant in just a pupet in their hands) are trying to eradicate you.If the civil war do break out,the private weapons companies are going to make alot of money for your miseri.Just as they did in your North-South war.You idiots just keep doing what they want,by blaming “the commies’ for everithing.
Report Post »realoldfatguy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:29pmDietrying, Ookspay is right on the money. There is no war until a shot has been fired. Nobody has fired any shots; this president and most elected officials are in danger of losing their overpaid, underworked jobs. All we really have to do is fight the “soft” war—with emails, phone calls, blogs, and, ultimately, votes. Don’t put yourself on a list that will result in you or your family being carted off to Gitmo in the middle of the night. Even if this passes into law, I doubt there’ll be any political will to use it, and the next set of apparatchiks elected to office will likely have the good sense to repeal it. Chill for now, and don’t react to anything that has not yet happened…As always, watch yer 6!
Report Post »piper22
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 2:55pm[Jesus] said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Luke 22:36 NIV
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:00pmsob, i agree. sooner or later, sooner i would expect, action will have to be taken for freedom.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:02pmpeople had to kill their neighbours and family members during the civil war it will be the same again.
Report Post »Believer of God given rights
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:08pmThey tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:58pmThe Unites States of America has the best prison system in the world. We operate the most secure prison systems in the world. I think we even have the highest prison population in the world. Yet, every one of our prisons has a drug problem. Why is that?
Report Post »kamakee
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:14pmJohn Mccain is a member of The Council on Foreign Relations …..The CFR has been working for 100 years on One World Government …..Both sides of the aisle are loaded with many CFR members…..Please stop calling this communism it is not….It is Fascism run by The Bilderberg group The Trilateral Commission and The Council on Foreign Relations…..They know that americans will not accept one world government and thats the reason for the draconian laws that they have been passing for a long time….Keep the faith my brothers and please speak to all military friends and police
Report Post »christos
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:18pm…….Ditto…….CHIEFGEORGE…….They have rejected +JESUS+ they feed the flesh,and an unknown spirit…….
Report Post »kamakee
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 4:24pmJohn Mccain is a meber of The Council on Foreign Relations ….The CFR has been working on One World Government for nearly 100 years….They know that patriots will never live under The New World Order…..Thats the reason for the treason
Report Post »TroyBray
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 5:18pmI’ll be the one watching your back. See you on the battlefield, brother.
Report Post »Protoham
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:00pmSenator that voted AGAINST this bill
Harkin, Thomas [D]
Paul, Rand [R]
Coburn, Thomas [R]
Merkley, Jeff [D]
Wyden, Ron [D]
Lee, Mike [R]
Sanders, Bernard [I]
If your senator is not on this list let them know how you feel.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 6:12pm10999 was one of several executive orders signed by Kennedy under the rubric of “national emergency” that extended extrajudicial power to FEMA, including the ability to control communications, energy, food, fuel, farms, transportation, highways, railroads, inland waterways and seaports, health, education and welfare. The EO also allows FEMA to organize citizen work brigades under government control and undertake the relocation of the population.
10999 also gives FEMA the authority to control all public storage facilities.
On June 3, 1994, president Clinton consolidated all previous FEMA executive orders into one all-encompassing order, #12919.
As many have noted, FEMA is not an emergency agency. It is a martial law agency. It is often referred to as the “secret government” of the United States.
THAT WHY RON PAUL WANTS TO END FEMA!
Report Post »OldSchool3638
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 10:47pmI’ll have your back brother. Live Free or Die.
Report Post »grumpy1938
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:12pmThe largest armed army in the world is the armed citizens of the USA. Feared by the Japanese and feared by the current administration. All current and ex military and police should join the “oath Keepers”
Report Post »promising to not take action against citizens removing from them there liberty.
minuteman912
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 12:36amHistory repeating itself. All they will have to do is make accusations and you will be screwed. If the government wants you out of the way because you don’t agree with them, they will be rounding the people up to shut them up. Evil is spawning a new day. We have to be smart and not play into their hands. If things start going that bad, where do you think they will start. They will be monitoring the net, if they’re not already, to start the round-up..
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 12:59amAlways behind the curve BLAZE…
Here’s some fun nuggets for the late nighters:
Obama’s mamas alive???
http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2011/04/obamas-mother-alive-multi-identity.html
OWS is a massive fraud…
Report Post »http://wellaware1.com/occupy/
Mutantone
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 7:38amI get the horrible feeling that is just what Obama wants to happen his call for the “Occupiers” to get Militant and now the returning veterans are names as potential threats by Homeland Security I see his efforts at unrest to be his excuse to declare martial law and suspend the elections if his numbers remain poor.
Report Post »Ramie Grice
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 10:32amI’m with you brother, Some people are born to be sheep, Other’s are born to defend the sheep! We’ll see you out there my friend! And later in Val Halla.
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 11:08amDont forget who the “terror suspects” are… If you are a conservative, own a gun, have patriotic bumper stickers, a Ron Paul sticker, are pro life, for smaller government, or have served in the US Military… Homeland Security has already created a report that identifies YOU as a possible terrorist.
The Senate no votes on SB 1867 were…
Iowa Harkin, Thomas [D]
Kentucky Paul, Rand [R]
Oklahoma Coburn, Thomas [R]
Oregon Merkley, Jeff [D] and Wyden, Ron [D]
Utah Lee, Mike [R]
Vermont Sanders, Bernard [I]
Call your Representative and insist they vote this down. Its the only place we have left to stop it before the streets.
Report Post »sabrinacle
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 5:19pmjust writing this makes you a target. You are probably already on some kind of list. And now I am too!
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on December 10, 2011 at 6:27pmsabrinacle… were all on the list thanks yo data miners.
Report Post »123456beatriz
Posted on December 13, 2011 at 8:14amI am agree, I love Glenn, but for misfortune the humans much of them don’t deserve any mercy.
Report Post »Dosomething
Posted on December 18, 2011 at 4:30pmMay I suggest you start with eradicating the two traitors who penned the bill. Send a message to other congressmen that treason will not be tolerated. Make sure after you complete the task you snap some photos and send them to congress hall and the media.
Report Post »jimoerike
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:46amcall on me for duty if that happens.
Report Post »jimoerike
Posted on January 8, 2012 at 9:53amwatch the movie Eagle Eye in the Constitution there is a way to stop a terrorist government from harming their own people this is by replacing the key officials from the top down, legal? I don’t know but it was put in there by our forefathers in case of a situation like the one imposed.
Report Post »clepak
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:11pmGuess what? It passed!
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:25pmThe Constitution is finally dead. Gone without a proper burial. What happens to the citizens who believe they are protected by it? I do not know either.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:10pmIt began when the US Supreme Court refused to listen to the case over Obama’s citizenship and birth certificate. The communist now know that nothing, neither Congress, or the Courts can stop them now. It is more dangerous that anyone realizes. Will the world trust a nation with all the military power and nuclear weapons we have that is no longer controlled by the Rule of Law. We may very well be attacked by other nations as an act of self defense. Russia had a Polit Bureau, we now have nothing. We allowed this to happen and we must stop it now.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:52pmSorry, it began when Washington listened to Hamilton and enforced the Whiskey Tax unrighteously and unconstitutionally in the U.S.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 11:55pmLady Liberty – A Lamentation for America
Lady Liberty where have you gone?
Lady Liberty where have you fled?
Forescore and seven years ago,
so were the words of a godly man.
Our fathers brought forth a birth of freedom
that should not perish from the land.
When I was a lad in my tender years
I saw our land as great and strong.
Now I’ve grown older and my eyes have opened to see
judgement coming for the sin and the wrong.
One day I’ll look around me and what will I see?
My fathers have enslaved the land.
Afraid to let the little children think,
knowing they’ll cast off their bands.
Living by the sword you will die by the sword,
Living by the gun you will die by the gun.
But you won’t listen to the Word of the Lord thy God.
Killing for convience ’cause you say it’s your right,
Thirty million babies with no right to life
No you wont listen to the Word of the Lord thy God.
Living on credit you’ve become a slave,
Not caring about who will pay on that day.
No you won’t listen to the Word of the Lord thy God
Lady Liberty where have you gone?
Report Post »Lady Liberty where have you fled?
Lady Liberty where have you bled?
BenFranklinLivesHere
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:22pmWhat exactly is the role of the judicial branch? Aren’t they supposed to be the check and balance to keep the legislative and executive branches from enacting unconstitutional laws? What the hell are we paying them for?
Report Post »lodgerat
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:29pmThey that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty. Ben Franklin
Report Post »I think he nailed it. Anyone who votes for this bill is our enemy. Plain and simple.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:48pmSimple and plain.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:39pmChecks and Balances?
Oh you believe that the Lawyer Aristocracy which controls all three Branches of Government as well as Both parties and all Courts at all Levels, would actually hold their Brother‘s and Sister’s feet to the fire of a Trial by Jury for Treason?
This is a Wat Tyler Revolt moment. Magna Carta (See: Hamdi v. Rumsfeld I or II) Article 61 War is still Law of the land, to oppose suspension of Habeas Corpus and Death penalties against those who violently oppose the violence of Agents of this Treasonously controlled and contrived government.
Look for the Reference of Hamdi in this article and thread as well as others, and you will find that I and a friend have been mentioning it for months.
But I am sure that I was written off as a nut yesterday, so that I am ignored today when the subject has finally come up, even out of the mouth of Feinstein.
The American Dream was a Delusion. It is all over. The Kool-Aid is not stong enough to keep the active game changers of humanity drugged.
Remember, the Lawyer Aristocracy is the change agent that has made good evil and trained you to believe that Tyranny is Freedom. They are easily found and reached, and the HQ’s of the State Bar Assoc.s are their central base of operation in your States and Communities. They must be punished and run out of thei civilization if we are going to survive, for these Vikings and Visigoths are the least productive of human beings are destructive parasites.
Report Post »Freedomtothink
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:26pmYou can’t argue a law on constitutional grounds unless you are first harmed by the law. Some people have to go to jail before a lawyer can do anything and most lawyers are liberals. What lawyer is going to represent a conservative or libertarian terrorist? Remember they don‘t have to appoint a lawyer on your behalf if you’re charged under this law.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:50pm@FREEDOMTOTHINK – the Rule of law is the Magna Carta Article 61 War against the Lawyer Aristocracy, their Agents, their Friends and whole entire Families.
Go look at it and see it needs no defense except 150grns of 762×51. It is the Final Solution to a Treassonous and Tyrannical Government as used by the Founding Fathers at the Cont. Congress 1775.
Now, if this issue and the final solution spreads, then the decent few in the Lawyer Aristocracy will turn, divide the Guild, publicly indict the Traitors and preserve the Peace with minimal Bloodshed, thus restore a Rule of knowable and survivable law.
if not…all of them save a dozen I know of will have to be purged from the population.
There is no other way, for they have effectively declared Martial Law, and suspension of Habeas Corpus and Posse Comatatus, at the Sentorial Level. There is no time to initiate the Recall Efforts as set forth at inperpetuumrights.blogspot.com, yet that solution existed all the time and was posted 3 years ago.
Common Law like Magna Carta, even Common Law as ruled in the recent Property and Mortgage Cases of Eaton, Bevilacqua, and Ibanez in Massachusetts (which is defusing Civil and Class War there) does not need stinking and lying Lawyers to defend, just a few judges who will execut their Duties per Byars v. U.S. and Mugler v. Kansas and defend the Rights of the people which is the untimate purpsoe of the Republic and their Oaths.
Magan Carta Article 61 WAR! DEATH2theLawyersto
Report Post »GUNNSUP
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:48amJudicial is in on it too, they’re stealing us blind, this is why they put this bill in place, so it will be tougher for patriots that are waking up to overrun them….
Report Post »nosharia
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:17pmHave we become so lazy we can’t make a proper arrest? Has it become too much trouble to do it correctly? Do these people have a right to council? What a dreadful state of affairs.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:07pmTruman declared that the world had changed and there was no more time to prepare for War, to debate, and negotiate.
There is a U.S. Supreme Court decision that, in the name of public safety no time to ‘Mirandize.’
Now, it will be that there is no time nor need for Trial, charges, arraignment.
Wat Tyler Revolt!
Magna Carta Article 61 WAR!
The Lawyer Aristorcracy who infests all Branches and is the most evolved of humans, who are the only ones who can be in the Judicial Branch, must be cleansed from the Republic, as they are the naked Enemies of the Republic.
G-D’s mercy be on you and us all.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:15pmNo, but we the American people WILL HAPPILY send the current administrator of injustice and his godless followers to those camps and prisons.
YES!!!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:30pmI agree .. the criminals I have seen lately are in the government .. Fast and Furious anyone … Nixon must be spinning in his grave. These people make him look like a saint.
TEA!
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:21pmYes, but this was the legislative branch – 86 or so whom claim to be tea party-type. This is the result of a people and their elected officials that do not understand the constitution.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:16pmCamps? Who can afford camps?
I am inclined to ponder the words of my mentor, that under Magna Carta Article 61 and the 8th Amendment that they be hooded and hung by their feet, then their jugulars be cut that they feel nothing.
Their bodies then impaled on Metal and Wood spikes before their respective Offices as a reminder of what the pentaly of violation of Sacred Oath under Magna Carta reaps.
It was the Law that the Lawyers took and oath to uphold at the BAR, now they must pay for not calling out the Traitors from their midsts and thus giving them Aid and Comfort.
Wat Tyler Revolt! magna Carta Article 61 War! It is law per Scalia in Hamdi I, their law that will now consume them oper their Oaths.
Report Post »JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:13pmThey know what is coming, they caused it
Report Post »lodgerat
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:53pmThe average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
The Obituary follows:
Born 1776, Died 2012
Report Post »JohnQTaxpayer
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:17pmTo our oppressors aka Politicians and Governments
Now as you urinate on the small remaining flame of the torch of freedom, lit by our forefathers, “we the people” do hold you accountable, for you had many other nobler choices, you chose to enslave the people.
“We the people” will come for you, just as others have come for their destroyers in the past, and you will pay for your deception, corruption, treachery, abuse, thievery and incompetence.
I do not stand alone; you forget, I am “We the people”
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:35pmWe ae THE PEOPLE of the Constitution.
They are the Lawyer Aristocracy who believes that they are the line fo the Law that goes all the way back to the Magna Carta (See: Hamdi v. Rumsfeld)
Magna Carta Article 61 gives us RIGHT to make War against them, their Agents,a dn their whole entire Familes just as was used for the Declaration of Independence.
only yhe Collapse of the Euor and thus the Collapse of their power can bring forth a Bloodless Rest. but this additional stress on the Society accompanied by this now naked Iron Fist will bring forth the proper level of Class Revolt, against the Class that by Constitution was never to exist over THE PEOPLE.
Report Post »blkbelt7
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:13pmObama and his buddy Bill Ayers with their re-education camps…and if you don’t go along with them they will kill you…just like they said in the 70′ when an FBI agent was present at one of their meeting….http://ironicsurrealism.com/2010/06/10/video-undercover-fbi-agent-infiltrated-and-exposes-bill-ayers-weather-underground-genocidal-plan/
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:43pmMy 2 senators voted for this and I want to know WHY!
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:55pmIt’s not just Democrats — REPUBLICANS voted for this. Study United Nations Agenda 21 to learn why — simple “one world government” directed by the UN.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:02pmUnder Magna Carta Article 61 (See: Hamdi v. Rumsfeld that Magna Carta 1215 is still law, not the bastardized re-writes) the Contract Guards and food providers and their familes are all legal targets under Magna Carta War.
Remember that. Not only the Lawyers and their Thugs.
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:11pmThe TRUTH is YES they can round us up like cattle, First they got away with the unpatriot act(small step) now they are taking a bigger step to take more liberties away, And guess what..who do you think are going to be the so called next terrorists? Yes you guessed it..You and me and anyother red blooded American that wont go along with the nwo, You made fun for years that we were conspiracy nuts, but now you have just been stripped down to the same level of al CIAda, They know that they have lost their complete stranglehold on the media and the sheeple are deciding we dont like their pastures, this will only get worse, as we have it now if they can push romney or newt on us it’s yhe same as cortaling us back in their pens, I for one want freedom and will vote and fight for that, please consider the lone soldier in D.C that has been fighying for thirty years wiyh very little support, look at the facts, research him, dont let the media and government control you anymore! Vote for freedom! Dr Ron Paul 2012!
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:08pmYou got only one thing wrong.
This is not one small step of many, THIS IS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE LAST STEP.
Suspension of Habeas Corpus
Suspension of Posse Comatatus
Institution of Statutory Martial Law.
There is only one response to this over reaction that gives the alleged fabricated terrorist a win over our Freedom it is – MAGNA CARTA ARTICLE 61 WAR.
Wat Tyler Revolt first, then maybe the Lawyer Aristocracy will clean this crap out and we can have a nation of values back.
G-D’s Mercy upon you and us all.
Report Post »tbl10
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:09pmJust another nail in the coffin for the US Constitution folks. Now you have this:
Mystery company buying up U.S. gun manufacturers … Some gun enthusiasts have claimed that the power behind the company is actually George Soros, the hedge-fund billionaire and liberal activist. Soros, these people have warned, is buying U.S. gun companies so he can dismantle the industry, Second Amendment be damned. The chatter grew so loud that the National Rifle Association issued a statement in October denying the rumors. “NRA has had contact with officials from Cerberus and Freedom Group for some time,” the NRA assured its members. “The owners and investors involved are strong supporters of the Second Amendment and are avid hunters and shooters.” Soros isn’t behind the Freedom Group, but, ultimately, another financier is: Stephen Feinberg, the chief executive of Cerberus. Cerberus is part of one of the signature Wall Street businesses of the past decade: private equity.
They know they would never repeal the 2nd amendment so therefore they will buy the companies that manufacture the guns. How much you want to bet you won’t even be able to buy a gun once they take over all of them. Bottom line folks is they are getting ready to spring the trap on all of us, if you are not prepared then you will be doomed. I never thought I would say this but I do believe that we now have a hostile government controlling this country and we the people are about to find out how hostile i
Report Post »thekuligs
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:19pmtbl10 do you have any info on the sale of the gun manufacturers? Because if you are right that is the scariest thing I have heard all year. And since I watch Glenn Beck, you know that’s saying something.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:30pmYes. Our representative republic is gone. The “United States” is a corporation. It has been since 1871.
1. The original United States that was in operation until 1860; a collection of sovereign Republics in the union. Under the original Constitution the States controlled the Federal Government; the Federal Government did not control the States and had very little authority.
2. The original United States has been usurped by a separate and different UNITED STATES formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and it’s territories, and which is actually a corporation (the UNITED STATES CORPORATION) that acts as our current government. The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial/Public Law rather than Common/Private Law.
The original Constitution was never removed; it has simply been dormant since 1871. It is still intact to this day. This fact was made clear by Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: “Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and Independently of that Instrument.”
Report Post »tbl10
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:30pmDo an internet seach, it is all over the web for now. Here is one link below.
http://www.visiontoamerica.org/6113/u-s-gun-manufacturers-are-being-swallowed-up
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:31pmPresident Lincoln knew that he had no authority to issue any executive order, and thus he commissioned General Orders No. 100 (April 24, 1863) as a special field code to govern his actions under martial law, and which justified the seizure of power, which extended the laws of the District of Columbia, and which fictionally implemented the provisions of Article I, Section 8, Clauses 17-18 of the Constitution beyond the boundaries of Washington, D.C. and into the several states. General Orders No. 100, also called the Lieber Instructions and the Lieber Code, extended The Laws of War and International Law onto American soil, and the United States government became the presumed conqueror of the people and the land.
Report Post »Martial rule was kept secret and has never ended, the nation has been ruled under Military Law by the Commander-of -Chief of that military; the President, under his assumed executive powers and according to his executive orders. Constitutional law under the original Constitution is enforced only as a matter of keeping the public peace under the provisions of General Orders No. 100 under martial rule. Under Martial Law, title is a mere fiction, since all property belongs to the military except for that property which the Commander-in-Chief may, in his benevolence, exempt from taxation and seizure and upon which he allows the enemy to reside.
President Lincoln was assassinated before he could complete plans for reestablishing Constitutional government.
ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:33pmFrom a speech in Congress in The Bankruptcy of the United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, Vol. 33, page H-1303, Speaker Representative James Trafficant Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House states:
“…It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.
The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America.
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:34pm@THEKULIGS,
Report Post »I’m glad to hear you are waking up to reality, They wont tell you the truth in the mainstream media!
pookieamos
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:45pmGlenn had the head of the NRA on GBTV Wednesday , he said we did not have to worry about the company buying up the manufacturers .What we have to worry about is Obama signing a global gun ban pushed by the UN.
Report Post »salvadordaly
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:48pmhere you go thekuligs
Report Post »http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/mystery-company-is-rapidly-acquiring-u-s-gun-and-ammo-manufacturers_12082011
check their home page as well
everyone lock and load!
thekuligs
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:59pmI’ve been watching Glenn since his first year on Fox ;) But I tend to catch up on GBTV on the weekends. I actually googled it after I asked, but I found an article that named the compnay (Celebrus?) that is purchasing the gun manufacturers and they don’t seem to be attatched to Soros.
Report Post »Quasimofo
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:44pm@thekuligs here’s the article on http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/business/how-freedom-group-became-the-gun-industrys-giant.html?_r=3&scp=1&sq=freedom%20group&st=cse
Report Post »lildrummerboy
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:19pmHere is a positive way to look at it. And I’m not naive, just hopeful…maybe this investment firm but all these companies to keep Soros’ mits out of the gun industry as much as possible…however there are some potential down sides..I’m also a realist…Being that Cerberus bought Chrysler and they went **** up and required a bailout….Cerberus could bankrupt this side of his business(doubtful) and require a gov‘t bailout then leaving a potential buyup to the gov’t . And there you have it, the gov’t now has their hands in the gun industry…just sayin
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:16pmProblemsoiver – you area sad and deluded character. There are so many US Supreme Court cases since the Civil War which well assert that the Bill OF RIghts, Common Law, and Magna Carta are all alive and well against the legislative mischeif of the lawyer Aristocracy.
yet, they themselves are fickle as to who will have these Rights depending upn weather and the day fo the week, or was that deposits in a numbered Cayman’s Bank Account.
You need to stop making a contrived excuse for the treason of the Lawyer Aristocracy, and buy a Gun and Ammo.
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 3:07am@MrSavage2
You are seriously bereft of any ratiocination, political knowledge and just promulgated your nescience, ad nauseam.
What I stated, were evidentiary facts. Obviously, I need to edify you on the point you so lugrubiously missed.
Our Representative Republic is gone. Our Country is now a Corporation. We have been under ‘emergency powers’ and ‘martial law’ before.
I do extensive research into the Constitution, Law and “politics”.
I understand you are quick to grab a gun, and indulge in an anarchist utopia.
I will inform the masses, and we can achieve things with civility, and less chaos and bloodshed.
All we have to do is wake up and take our Country back without a civil war.
“Politicians” can be made to vacate Washington in a peaceful manner.
Look at the votes on NDAA # 1867 93-yeas and 7-neas.
That means 93% of D.C. politicians are global elite minions, and “employees” of the “Corporation”.
And could care less about the freedoms of the American People.
They will pass whatever laws they want regardless of what the people want, and they will reinstitute
martial law under emergency powers.
They are putting all the pieces in place to do so.
Seriously, You don’t have the political insight, or knowledge of history and law to challenge my statements, or myself.
If you believe my statements to be delusional or sad, it just shows the degree to which you are extremely ignorant to the facts.
Here, educate yourself : http://www.teamlaw.org/
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 1:28pmMy CHL site did an investigation into the “soros gun buying” and it’s false, Soros is not involved with the company who is consolidating some of the more unstable gun manufacturers (economically unstable).
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 8:32pm@ Probiemsoier – I am well versed. have dealt with this and lived it for 20 years now. Team law. Hot air is what they are, for if their strategies worked then there would ahve been a mad rush for Liberty long ago. 12 Years of them, and still nothing but people with reams f paper stacked waist high along the walls of their homes.
The USSCT rules over and over again that the Rights of People Rule, when they want them to. Only when it suits them.
Report Post »Longing for Change
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:08pmCrazy conspiracy theorists.
1 – Bring the troops home.
2 – OWS groups throughout the country get wild with robberies, murders, attacking the police, attacking city officials ; do I need to go on?
3 – Pres ops, Dictator Obama uses OUR MILITARY to put Americans in detention.
4 – Dict. Obama has to declare martial law.
5 – Elections don’t take place during “martial law”.
1 – check
2 – check
3 – ready and waiting
4 – ready and waiting
5 – I pray to God this does not happen.
People can be sooooo crazy. These things are not happening nor will they. Sure am glad since our troops are going to be putting citizens in detention, that President Obama is good with the military practicing Beastiality. No worries here. Move along!!
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:43pmWill what‘s left of the American people please wake up and vote these liberals and rino’s out? The more you folks wake up to reality the less you can call Dr Ron Paul and his supporters crazy.
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:48pmRead the following 2 comments by UmmDuhh in the link below to an article about federal police managing New Orleans. They were written 7 months ago, two months before the first OWS event was organized. Maybe UmmDuhh is a Glenn Beck fan? Sure sounds like it:
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/04/department-of-justice-declares-new-orleans-police-force-a-threat-to-the-safety-of-the-public/
Ummduh
Top down, bottom up. We will need to remove the legitimacy of the local police forces so that a federal police force can step in. Think of what happened in Egypt. Within the marches we will have individuals trained in subversive agitation techniques. They will agitate law enforcement just enough to chide local police forces to use violent, quite possibly deadly in a few cases, force. We will need this to be reported by the media as one of two things: either a failure or inadequacy of the local police forces, or corrupt (racist, bigoted, “macho”, inferiority complexed) members of local police enforcement. The agitators will do their job until a federal police rule (national guard, FEMA, military) comes in to stabilize the situation, and by then most of the populace will be welcoming them as it would bring some “normalcy” back.
This article just explains the prototype by which we can have laws and judgement already in place so that a legal precedent can be followed.
We explain all of this in Rules for Radicals. You should pick up a copy:
http://www.amazon.com/Rules-Radicals-
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:49pmUmmduh’s 2nd comment:
In our community organizing meeting last week we went over the theory of 33.
All we need is 33.
33% that support the cause. This doesn’t have to be 33% of us in the streets, just 33% that support the cause. We need just 1% of us to actually take to the streets. Once the local police beat us down because of our agitations, it will be all over the news. Now mind you, what we will twitter and upload will be of no agitating protesters/marchers. Once the local law enforcement boot is smacked down on our heads, public perception enlarge will be that we were unjustly treated. This publicity will get 5 times the numbers in the streets and the agitators will trumpet up the chiding. Local law enforcement will not be able to handle the situation. ATMs, train stations, major intercections, airports, bus stops, restaurants, hotels and every other place of commercialism and capitalism will be brought closed. If you think we don’t have 1% to start it, just look at our unions and neighborhood outreach marches. We have the 1% already. We just need an excuse now to get 1% of our marchers out in mass nationwide. A summer of high food prices, high energy costs, and high inner city unemployment rates will do that for us.
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Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:50pm33% disinterested. We need 33% of Americans to be undecided, disinterested, or uninvolved. Tell me, do 1 in 3 of the people you associate with really know what’s going on? Nope. They are living in their suburban or country houses sucking air through AC units and cooling their houses to 74 degrees, complaining about their favoured Singer on American idle. When we hit the streets, they wont know what to believe. They will turn to CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and hell even Al Jezeera, and hear how every one of those stations is opining about how Obama should do something. I’m thinking most of those undecideds will line up with us “elitests” or “stateists” (as you prefer to call us), and speak at their precious watercoolers in their office about how the federal government should take control. If you think I’m wrong, take a good look around the next time you are in a Walmart. Who do you think most of those folks will side with? Our progressives or your capitalists?
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Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:52pm33% surprised and uncoordinated opposition. We have been preparing for this moment for years, decades even. We used our unions to get the money, and our population to get the votes, to elect a president to bring the change needed to make the social environment perfect for the revolution. What have you and your like minded people done? Bickerer over tax cuts and wars? While you’ve been BBQing on the weekends we have been holding workshops in the inner cities organizing communities on how to march, protest, antagonize, and carry out a plan. “Conservatives” have been busy jerking off to Sarah Palin reality TV. You will be shocked, startled, and overall drastically less coordinated. What will you do when the military comes to boot their boot on the throats of America? What will you do when government needs to get business operating normally, by taking over capitalist institutions and running them to get you back to work? What, you will cling to your guns and take to the streets? Don’t you see, that will only help bring our communism. You will be peaceful and do nothing? We’re already expecting 33% of America to do that.
There will be one world currency. One world government (for the most part). And each nation will use its militarys to police its own. And America? You will have the worlds best equipped and trained police force and you will see what it is like to be occupied by it.
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Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:54pmThis likely sounds surprising to you. But your military has been overseas for a long time. Think about how long they have been away. How endoctrinated they have become to taking orders. How sad they will be to learn that their homeland is in tatters, and they are returning not to enjoy life back home, but to restore life.
And the best part, I can tell you now how this will happen, and there’s nothing any of us can do to stop it. It is going to happen. Not anytime soon mind you, probably not until this fall.
Again you can read this, in UmmDuh’s own words, under the comments at:
http://www.disinfo.com/2011/04/department-of-justice-declares-new-orleans-police-force-a-threat-to-the-safety-of-the-public/
Striking the precision of accuracy. This was before anything about 99%…according to UmmDuh, they are really 33%.
Report Post »Veritas Libertas
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:34pm@The truth shall set you free, pretty sure you’re familiar with this clip from 2008, but for anyone concerned about Dr. Paul’s “electability” you should check this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VPz7TYNM-A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Report Post »williaml
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 12:40amYou Are Correct!
Report Post »Mtroom
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:07pmI say let them pass it…Let’s see how many of the Obama company will like being locked down with no trial…Isn’t gun smuggling to our know enemies treason, Mr. Holder? And if I am not mistaken we had a POTUS declare a war on drugs… Have a nice stay…Might wanna brush up on some Arabic, so you can talk with your cell mate.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:07pmFEMA CAMPS are now being manned. Google it.
Report Post »sgtstubbs
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:58pmTake my word, it happened to U.S citizens from Japan it can happen to you.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:09pmYes, they are — I sent several articles to the blaze and asked them or Glenn to comment on them. Remember Glenn said the FEMA camps were fake? Wonder what he says NOW!?
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 9:01pmYou are right. Thanks for warning people that may not know. The FEMA camps scare me . The black plastic FEMA coffins scare the Hell out of me but I am thankful that I know the Lord and that he is still in control.
Report Post »Black Manta
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:06pm2 Timothy 3:1 THIS know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves (same sex), covetous (money lovers), boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection (no loving feeling) trucebrekers (irreconcilable), false accusers, incontinent (no self restraint), fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady (reckless), highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:10pmAmen blackmanta!
Report Post »countryfirst
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:06pmIt’s ironic that the man that sign’s the bill into law, should then be then charged with economic terrorism.
Until we figure it out that we are being destroyed from within our own government, we can never truly defend ourselves from a foreign enemy.
Fight for the 2nd amendment we are going to need it. Join the NRA
Report Post »THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:15pmThe TRUE terrorists are those in our Country masquerading as civil servants, they are the establishrnt politicians….THEY ARE THE REAL ENEMY OF WE THE PEOPLE!
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:43pmThe NRA is a shill organization.
Wayne La Pierre on Beck’s program yesterday said there was nothing to fear in the consolidation of most of the gun production in the hands of Cerberus.
He is WRONG. No, wait. Scratch that. He is LYING.
The NRA is not your ally. They have been four-square in support of every piece of restrictive gun legislation that has come down the pipe in the last hundred years. NFA ‘34. GCA ‘68. The Brady Bill. The list goes on. They claim “It could have been much worse, but we were able to blunt the attack — you’re lucky we were there.” But that tactic does not hold water.
FEAR THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE GUN MANUFACTURE IN THIS NATION.
Tomorrow, Cerberus could be involved in a convenient insider-trading or other scandal (perfectly engineered, of course,) which would cause all these companies to shutter their factories.
IT WILL HAPPEN. BET ON IT. DO NOT BE FOOLED.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on December 9, 2011 at 11:15amNORM D. PLUME — I just learned that the NRA was EVIL as well. Really thought they were straight-up. Seems “The Gun Owners of America” are the AUTHENTIC defender of 2nd amendment rights!
The GOA rating of candidates:
2012 Presidential Candidates – Gun Owners Of America
http://www.gunowners.org
Ron Paul A+
Report Post »Rick Perry A
Michelle Bachmann A
Rick Santorum B-
Newt Gingrich C
Mitt Romney D-
junior1971
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:06pmAnd then they will redefine terrorism and what justifies the term “suspect”. Bye, bye America!
Report Post »Restored One
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:24pmAll of us here on the Blaze will get a chance to meet person to person.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:41pm@RESTORED
At least (for the most part) we will be in good company.
TEA!
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:04pmI0f this does in fact pass we need to peacefully organize and go to Washington and stand in front of the whitehouse and peacefully demand it to be repealed. Start making your phone calls and emails . This is America, this president needs to understand that the PEOPLE will not sit back and allow this to happen. If the Republicans have half a brain this needs to be an issue that they use now to inform those Americans (who will not hear of this from the mainstream media) exactly what the progressives have in store for its citizens.
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:15pmPeacefully accomplishes nothing. Compare the tea party rallies and OWS. OWS have broken innumerable laws but they are sanctioned by the government, the tea parties have followed the rules, paid the permit fees, yet they are blasted and characterized as terrorists…Nobody listens unless there is violence and property damage. Sad, but true.
Report Post »Amy
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:18pmUmmm… you mean the same Republicans who helped pass this? Those Republicans? This was sponsored by a damn Republican!!
Just because they have an (R) after their names doesn’t mean they are the good guys. The R‘s are as progressive and socialist as the D’s.
Report Post »RoqueGerig
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:18pmSo many thousands upon thousands of us already did that in March 2010. uhmmmm, they didnt listen and lied. Next time they will plant events in our midst.
Report Post »lildrummerboy
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:31pm@hidden_lion. Well if you like violence then go join OWS. By the way I’m not an OWS symepthizer, but it’s the anarchists causing most of the violence.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:30pmIt was McCain who said if you voted against this Bill , you are with the Terrorists.
That is the line in the sand.
This is Martial Law.
Read inperpetuumrights.blogspot.com, and if you think there is time, recall your Senators.
otherwise, prepare for Wat Tyler Revolt against the Lawyer Aristocracy everywhere, and every member of theri thug gangs and families.
Magna Carta Article 61 is a Rule of Law. We Possess the Right,a dn Petition for Redress have been rebuffed for years.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:47pm@lildrummerboy:
I think that, if you dig deeper, you’ll find that a lot of these violent/anarchistic events were provocateured.
History will bear me out on this, I assure you.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:04pmObama building an underground bunker at the white house and Fema camps opening up for business…hmmmm why no news about it?
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx965aV2zgI&feature=player_embedded
mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:36pmWhen we are done on the surface, his Praetorian and Marine Guard will gladly go in and bring him to us.
Report Post »IMPEACHBHO
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:03pmReason 123,455,021 why 2012 needs to be a clean sweep of the Senate, Obama, and the rest of the progressives in the House.
Report Post »hucksqr
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:09pmDoes that mean you support getting rid of the progressive republicans also? Because sad to say, I’ve seen a large support base for people such as Newt on this site. Sorry, Republicans helped sell this country out every bit as much as the democrats did. Until Americans start to vote with their values, and not just because they want their particular political party in office no matter what, we will continue down this path. This is the type of society you get when you have a massive military industrial complex partnered with a central bank and “government”. All these wars of unchecked aggression, a crashed economy, and ultimately, slavery for the people in that Country.
Report Post »What saddens me are the so called “republicans” that support guys like Newt and Romney. Strap in folks, because it‘s looking like we’re going to get another progressive president, it just remains to be seen wether he will have an R or D next to his name.
deeberj
Posted on December 12, 2011 at 3:09pmHusqur – yes, get rid of all progressives. I don’t care which party they are in. I heard Glenn on the radio today say if Newt is our R candidate he may vote for Ron Paul, even though he disagrees with is foreign policy. I’ve been saying the same thing. I’m tired of progressives ruining our country. The Dems and especially this president are doing it faster, but Republicans are still doing it. Progressives must go!
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:03pmIf Glenn suddenly disappears we need to be on the lookout for those military detention camps.
Report Post »makeemstop
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:22pmYeah, I think this bill has Glenn’s name written all over it. Glenn, please delete my contact info from your member list.
Report Post »rckuner
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:02pmHas Washington DC gone insane? Never mind, it’s a rhetorical question and we elected these morons.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:01pmIf the suspected terrorist is a U.S. Citizen caught on U.S. soil, then they should have all the rights and privileges that a U.S. citizen who is not suspected of terrorist activities would have. We can not waive this right as we would be breaking the constitution. If the suspected terrorist is a U.S. citizen and caught in the act on U.S. soil, they still get the rights as all U.S. citizens. However, if they are caught in a foreign country and a U.S. citizen, then that country determines where they are tried or the U.S. negotiates for them. If a U.S. citizen is caught where we are in armed conflict, then the U.S. military has jurisdiction.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:54pmNot according to the constitution.
Congress has to pass any act of military force, period; whether it is a declaration of war or a letter of Marquee or Reprisal. Even non-citizens have the right to due process according to our constitution, it is why we do not assassinate (not supposed to). Read the 5th amendment it says “persons” not “citizens”.
In a declared battlefield, with a said enemy we can use force. The battlefield is not the world and anyone we see as “suspect” is not an enemy, plus it has not been declared. Until now.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:39pmYes, until NOW.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:01pmI’m glad theblaze finally got on the parts of the NDAA that are actually abhorrent. I was worried with all the time wasted on the “sodomy/bestiality” portion, that this would be lost in the mix.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:57pmBe careful what you post here or pack your bags for the camp!
Report Post »hidden_lion
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:02pmI am sure they have already raided anything with Glenn Beck’s name on it. All our names are already in the database. Just like they scour facebook so they can threaten little kids.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:08pmCall and remind your Senators that they swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
This may be the most egregiousness violation of the Constitution that I have ever seen.
United States Capitol switchboard at (202) 224-3121 .
Report Post »Outlaw_Josey_Wales
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:34pmOh no, the old army truck with squeaky brakes is going to stop in front of house at 2:00 AM and haul me away to the re-education camp.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:44pmImagine a Ryder Truck Convention converging in some place that cannot be named.
A Police officer pulls one over and the driver says ‘oh never mind us, we are just practicing for the worlds largest shaped charge’ and all of the trucks are empty.
That might be protected 1st Amendment expression under Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 8:21pmI’ll never be careful on what I say. “Live free or die”-it’s not just a slogan any more”…it’s the way we will have to do business“ ”But woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!”
“For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain”
Report Post »Mimi24
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 9:21pmThank you for the reminder. Your concern does touch my heart. But I think that the time has come for the rubber to meet the road. I would have liked more time to prepare but I think that’s not going to happen. My gut instinct tells me that it’s about to get very bad. I hope and pray that I’m wrong.
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:57pm.
RON PAUL does not hide anymore how he feels about ISRAEL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrzzMbTNoZk
(Must see, goes super viral on the net)
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Report Post »Ming The Merciless
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:15pmBlue_sky – I submitted this headline to the blaze. I wonder if they’ll put it up. I doubt it.
But it is informative – Ron Paul doesn’t hate Israel like Beck/Pat Gray would have the listeners believe.
Quite the opposite – Ron Paul doesn’t want Israel to be beholden to the USA. Ron wants freedom for Israel – without the USA telling Israel what to do. There’s a unique concept – who are we to be telling our friends how to run their ‘business’?
The headline is thise: Ron Paul Discusses Being Excluded at Jewish Forum with Jack Hunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jFZpL8F4FgU#!
Let’s see the Blaze put this up!
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:26pm@Ming The Merciless. Correct.
Report Post »Like Buffete, Bill Gates and many CEO on Wall Street, nei-cons are actually close to socialists in thinking – they like being central planners, grow the government via Pentagon and security apparatus and spend others money. No wonder neo-cons do not notice that the aid to Israel (the leash) only grows local socialism inside Israel. Enough to look at “Histadrut” described in Wikipedia.
drago
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 5:49pm@blue-boy aka ming aka encinom
Report Post »Do you normally converse with your moronic self like that?….
hidden_lion
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 3:54pmWe are screwed, who authored this bill? He needs to strung up for treason. The 97 senators the voted for it should rightly follow. The American people have been had.
Report Post »tbl10
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:12pmJohn McCain and Lindsey Graham were the main authors.
Report Post »Outlaw_Josey_Wales
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 4:47pmIt was John Mccain and Michigan senator Carl Levin who were the main authors of this bill.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 6:03pmWhoever authored it are enemies of the constitution and all Americans,this is unbelievable what these progressives are doing,raping the constitution,it’s disgusting.
Report Post »mrsalvage2
Posted on December 8, 2011 at 7:47pmAaaaghem! Republican Progressives, Like the Grinch er i mean Gingrich.
Magna Carta Article 61 War for violations of Oaths of Office.
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