Can You Be a Practicing Homosexual and a Christian? (Take Our Poll)
- Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:17pm by
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Mandy Driggers relaxes Aug. 1, 2007, at the Bay Lake summer Bible camp for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender young people in Deerwood, Minn. Mandy, a 17-year-old, considered herself a born-again Christian but said when she brought a girl she was dating at the time to her evangelical church, the pastor's wife called the next day and asked to not come back. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)
Is it possible to be both a committed Christian and a practicing homosexual? As Americans’ opinions on gay marriage and homosexual culture continue to evolve, this controversial question is beginning to come to the forefront of social and religious debate.
Below, watch a man by the name of “Jonathan” — a practicing homosexual — explain how he lives a healthy, Christian life (something many believers would claim is an impossibility):
The gridlock that has often characterized the relationship between Christian churches and the gay community is likely to intensify, as many denominations become more guarded, while society — as a whole — becomes more accepting of gays and lesbians. Back in May, Gallup found that, for the first time, a majority (53 percent) of Americans support gay marriage.
With the passage of gay marriage in New York State, many are wondering what the impact of these cultural changes will be on people and institutions that embrace religion. While some see the rejection of approval for same-sex marriage as bigoted, others contend that not embracing gay nuptials is a personal right. Conservative Christians (which constitutes a majority of adherents) tend to be opposed, but what about progressive believers?
It’s no secret that the left-leaning Christian community has been growing and expanding in recent years. But, how are left-of-center believers handling social issues like gay marriage? It seems that much of the work being undertaken by liberal pastors like Jim Wallis surrounds fiscal issues rather than social one (Wallis has actually come out against abortion). Back in May, Wallis’ liberal group, Sojourners, faced scrutiny after it opted not to include an advertisement from a gay rights group on its web site. In response to critiques, Wallis wrote:
LGBTQ issues may not be our primary calling as our work against poverty and hunger, and for peace, but based on some reactions to our decision, I want to use this as an opportunity to clarify the positions and practices of Sojourners on this important discussion on the life of the church in the early 21st century.
…Our message has always been that no matter what your theological perspective or biblical interpretation on the issue of homosexuality, every Christian has the obligation to defend the lives, dignity, and civil rights of gay and lesbian people.
While Wallis focused on defending the rights of gays and lesbians, he didn’t address the Biblical interpretation he embraces regarding those who lead a homosexual lifestyle. He, again, reaffirms that his commitment is more to “poverty, racial justice, stewardship of the creation, and the defense of life and peace.” In the end, he encourages churches to make homosexuals feel loved and welcome. But, his rejection of the advertisement, despite his efforts to glaze over it, does seem to indicate some restraint in embracing the issue to the fullest.
In June, The Blaze reported on the Wild Goose Festival, a progressive Christian gathering that featured speakers, music and the like. Wallis, among others, was highly involved in the event and nearly 2,000 people flocked to the site of the festival in North Carolina. At the conference, gay rights was a major issue of discussion, as participants had the chance to “interact with justice, spirituality, and art.” Religion Dispatches writes:
Though a wide range of issues were covered, including poverty and prison reform, there were enough speakers and individual discussions focused on LGBT concerns that Peterson Toscano, comedian and co-founder of Beyond Ex-Gay, jokingly remarked that conversation at Wild Goose was “all queer all the time.”
Toscano contributed to the queerness by introducing scenes from his play, Transfigurations: Transgressing Gender in the Bible. “Many of the most important people in the Bible are gender non-conforming,” he said.
Watch Toscano deliver a monologue about sexual identity at the festival, below:
The conference, in itself, is the perfect example of Christianity’s division on the issue of homosexuality. While the Bible takes affirmative stances against its practice, religious people living in a world where gay culture is taking an increasingly prominent role may find themselves conflicted. Wild Goose participants weren’t all embracers of homosexuality.
In fact, Justin Lee of the Gay Christian Network was confronted by a man who claimed that practicing homosexuality is a “sin of our culture,” and folk singer Michelle Shocked became visibly upset when asked about her stance on homosexuality. She said:
“Who drafted me as a gay icon? You are looking at the world’s greatest homophobe. Ask God what He thinks.”
While a few gay men were invited to speak, transgendered individuals and out lesbians were excluded from the mix. Needless to say: Even progressive Christianity doesn’t seem to be at a point in which the acceptance of homosexuality has saturated adherents.
The issue of gay rights continues to hammer away at Christianity, as denominations are splitting, arguing and turning away from one another over the issues of both marriage and ordination. For instance, the Lutheran Church is facing a split and the Presbyterian Church is becoming more accepting of homosexuals. Individual houses of worship are making changes as well, while the Catholic Church, among others, is hunkering down and maintaining its stance against homosexuality (remember the gay priest who was fired for advocating in support of California’s Prop 8?).
Certainly, the battle is far from over. Christians who happen to be gay find themselves with a conundrum. If the Bible stands clearly against the homosexual lifestyle (you can read more about the Bible’s take on Christianity, here), how do they progress in their lives concerning relationships and the like? Non-profits, like The Gay Christian Network (GCN), have launched to assist in studying these important issues. GCN describes itself as follows:
…a nonprofit ministry supporting Christians worldwide who happen to be lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT). Our mission, “sharing Christ’s light and love for all,” is carried out in 5 primary directions, to impact individuals, families, communities, churches, and the world.
Many questions are floating around surrounding this issue: Is it possible to be a gay, practicing Christian? What impact will homosexuality have on religious institutions? Will a time come when all Christian denominations buckle under the pressure and allow gays into their ministries?
These questions cannot be answered with certainty, but considering the cultural changes underway, exploring the implications of each is certainly essential.
What do you think — is it possible to be a practicing homosexual and a Christian? Take our poll:
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Comments (1206)
UlyssesP
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:37pmGo ahead gay man and believe you’re all good. I don’t care about your relationship to God. God does.
My concern are more earthly. As soon as you think it’s normal to put your hand on my ass because you feel an impulse I will do to you what any woman would do to a man harassing her sexually – except you will never walk again.
Ask (NAME WITHHELD IN MIAMI – COURT AGREED CONDITION) in a wheelchair. Last time he ever touches a man that did not ask to be touched. Worship as you want, but you are not normal.
jtchodgie
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:56pmSo, you think that all gay men want to grab your ass? I’ll let you in on a little secret…they don’t. What an idiot.
Report Post »Sicboy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:56pmCan you be an addict, alcoholic, aldulter and be a Christian? You can claim the name of Jesus in these fallen “back slide” states. But, I would not want to face Jesus as a back slider. Only the Trinity knows our true position.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:57pmYou can be homosexual and join a religion but you don’t really have a relationship with the God.
Eternity is not a segment of time but simply Un-relative Oneness with the Eternal One. There is no eternal place of torment but one day the Eternal Fire of the Truth is going to destroy all illusion along with those who decided to walk in it because it suite the lust and desire of self and they will cease to exist even in memory after judgment.
Those who PRACTICE sin shall not enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not (B)inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
chazman
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:02pmLook, this question has been debated on a national level untold times, and the answer is NO! Has no one read the bible? God will judge. Homosexuality will not get you through the pearly gates …
cykoaudio
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:08pmthe point here isn’t what the Bible says about it-do not judge,lest ye be judged-,the point isn’t whether being gay goes against the natural order of pro creation-same goes for heterosexuals who philander for leisure-the point is that Jesus chose to speak to the harlots,tax collectors etc-the same ppl that many of you/us Christians would be judging here on this blog,so lets be more Christ like,& say,if you do everything else right,you pray for me,you counsel the needy,feed the poor,clothe the naked,& ONE thing I have against your lifestyle is you like men,I would say thats ok-this guy on that vid is a good Christian(apparently) young man,& if the only strike against him is he likes men,I would say no problem,I have no right to judge him,that is for God to judge-don’t be like Muslims-for you Christians out there to judge this man,who may be more a Christians in every way that counts,judge him SOLELY for liking men,you have to do the same for someone who is good Christian but gambles,lies,covets neighbors wife etc-yes it is exactly the same thing,for Bible says,”no one is righteous,not one”,so we ALL sin,& but for JEsus would be condemned,so who gives you the right to say any young person who is good Christian is MORE of a sinner than a lier,gambler,philanderer,thats NOT IN THE BIBLE,Bible doesn’t say being gay is worse than other sins.btw I’m not for gay marriage,don’t like loud gay parades or SanFran,but we,as Christians need to have more compassion
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:09pmYou cannot be a practicing homosexual and a committed Christian any more than you can be a practicing whore, or murderer, or slanderer, or thief, or any other practitioner of behavioral sin. To be a committed Christian means you repent and leave the sinful life behind. It doesn’t mean that you never sin again, but it does mean that you work tirelessly to stop it until you overcome it. I am an alcoholic and drug addict. I may have been born genetically predisposed to it (both parents and grandparents were as well) or I may not have, it is irrelevant. The task at hand is to turn from it, with God’s help, and live free of it. So far, for 33 years, I have been successful, but I could return to it tomorrow if I don’t keep close to Him. The last thing I’d do is proclaim I can wallow in my sin and still be a Christian right with God because “God made me that way.” It’s utter horse hockey. We posses a fallen nature that must be redeemed by Christ and then be conformed daily into His image.
loriann12
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:43pmI had a “friend” in the Navy (and that’s in quotes because she was more of an aquaintence) who was a lesbian. She told me she would rather bend straight women than date other gay women. So that taints my experience a bit. She never tried anything with me, but I was engaged at the time. And I would have had to have my fiancee (now my husband) beat her up because she was the **** side of it and could kick my a$$.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:45pm@ulyssesP – do all straight men go around putting their hand on women’s asses? Because that would be covetting your neighbors wife. What a moron to think that all gay men have uncontrollable impulses, or maybe you just think alot of yourself and believe all gay men want you (that would be vanity).
Report Post »Of course gays can have a relationship with God.
Rawhyde1334
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:12pm@MEETSENSE – Christians can sin and be “Christians”. No one is perfect and we all, Christian or non-Christian, still mess up…that‘s where God’s grace kicks in. I would agree with you that it doesn’t matter what “type” of sex outside of God’s plan one has…it’s wrong. Sex is intended to be between a man and a woman within the institution of marriage. The thing is with sexually-based sin is that it is committed by both body and soul.
Report Post »NOTYERHUCKLEBERRY
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:13pmDo I dis-like homosexuals? The answer is no. I hate what they do, as does
Report Post »God. Can one be a practicing homosexual and a christian? Yes they can. Only problem is that God hates their sexual activity. Consequently, they will never achieve the full glory God has for us.
cromag11b
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:15pmUlyssesP
Report Post »If you were as much of a tough guy as you claim to you’d be in jail for felony assault and possible intentional maiming/attempted murder.
You can’t do what you say, in any state, for a pat on the butt.
tower7femacamp
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:17pmHate and Fear
I say you cannot be a Christian and support innocents being bombed with
DU weapons
.
Jesus said
Matthew 5:43-48
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
also Judge not least you be Judged
Report Post »Beulah
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:19pmPeople, scripture declares we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, none of us being perfect but Jesus–meaning what? If homosexuality is an abomination, as scripture describes, if done willingly (as a “lifestyle choice”), then it is a sin–merely being a specific kind of sin, and as our varied sins can be forgiven, it is no less damnable than are our other sins, for which the wages are death (meaning we ALL deserve to die). Sin, though, is rebellion against God’s law, meaning it is a willful violation; to break the law without intent involves transgression, although both are punishable (manslaughter is unintentional, but carries jail time the same as does murder, which is intentional). There are those for whom homosexuality is NOT a choice, but homosexuality is described as an abomination, not a sin; an abomination is not to be tolerated, in scripture, likely because it is abhorrent to God’s laws of nature, which enable procreation. As a Christian, I am firm in m knowledge that God does not approve of homosexuality, but He also does not approve of the many other actions which are contrary to how we should treat each other—as ourselves, according to the second greatest commandment. We all will answer to God, but we should not mince His words on what His stance is; a stain is a stain, whether it is mustard or blood, the size of a nickel or a fist, and we cannot lead others to Truth if we are too busy condemning them for motes while ignoring the beams in our own eye
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:20pmhere’s a link to the good Christian work you NeoCons support
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/158524.html
http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/depleted_uranium_iraq_afghanistan_balkans.html
Report Post »LibertarianForLife
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:55pmThousand bucks says there are a higher percentage of male-female rapes then male-male rapes. As to the article, Christianity is a dying religion anyways, as the falsehoods and nonsenicals ways become exposed, Atheists will become the majority. America may be a ways behind the rest of the world, but we will drop our imaginary friends eventually.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:57pmCYKOAUDIO – you make some really good points and have made me think about this differently. I guess the only thing I am stuck on is if you continue living in a serious sin knowing it is a serious sin, when do you come to terms with that sin? If you are involved in adultrey, but call yourself a good Christian, are you fooling yourself? I know we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, but aren’t we called to struggle against our sins? I’m not trying to make a point, just looking for an answer.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:02pm1 Samuel 18:27
27 Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king’s son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.
In 1 Samuel 18, we see that this is part of a story. It is essentially all explained in this single verse. Saul wanted David to die, so he gave him the task of getting one hundred philistine foreskins. David not only survived, he over-delivered by bringing back two hundred foreskins.
None of this was commanded by God, so it does not point to his immorality. However, David was said to have God’s favor, which he did not lose through this act. The point of the story is that this is just plain disgusting. Offering any body parts as payment for the privilege of marrying a man’s daughter is obscene in it’s own right. Requiring that this body part be the severed skin from the tip of a man’s phallus is that much more obscene. This is not a verse you hear in church, and it certainly isn’t something you tell children in Sunday school.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:07pmJesus preached that we all sin. Period. If you think being gay is a sin, you have something in common with homosexuals – you’re both sinners. I know the holier than thou crowd that likes to be pious and pretend they are better than others, pretend that they receive God’s grace because of their behavior love to differentiate themselves spiritually from gay people. If we look at Jesus’ teachings, we’d have to say, you’re wrong. Yes, gay people can be christian just as much as everyone else – as every other sinner. Sorry meatheads.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:10pmI’d pose this question: Can you belong to organized religion and be a Christian? Is organized religion what Jesus came here to establish? Which one is the true and correct organized religion? I don’t think he came here to establish an organization with rules and rituals and a hierarchy. I think he came to give his message, which he did. So, can you be a person who adheres to Jesus’ message while participating in organized religion?
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:11pmLibertarianforlife – what you say is nonsense. Most devoted Christians would die for their faith. I believe one day you will stand face to face with what you consider our imaginary friends, the actual great “I Am”, the Creator of a complex universe, far too complex to just have happened.
Report Post »Restoreamericanow
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:30pmOnly God should judge us all based on our faith and our actions. I think the missing point is that to be a Christian you must believe in Christ and accept him as your Lord and Savior. So yes, I believe gays can be Christian. But again, your actions as a Christian will ultimately be judged by Christ. That is for Him alone. How will He judge? No one knows.
Report Post »68titan
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:53pmNot one of these people give any scripture defending them as being a Sodomite. Romans 1:21-28
Report Post »JimConstitution
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 11:00pmWhat’s striking to me is that not one of you said the important thing Jesus said about the relationship with God, His Father. Jesus told a very religious person that he must be born-again. Thats it.
All these other things amount to nothing. If one is lost all these other things do not matter.
If a man gained the whole world, what would it profit him, if he loses his own soul?
Dose not matter what we do in the flesh, If one is not born-again, there is no profit.
If we are born-again we have a love affair with God and His Son through the Holy Ghost.
The penalty of sin is death.
If we are born of God we do not sin. A new creation in Christ Jesus. The new creation does not sin.
We have all sinned and come short of the glory of god. This is passed tense.
We are born sinners, we inherit it from out ggggranfather Adam. Through the flesh.
Jesus is the second Adam and we inherit righteousness from him. Through the spirit.
Those of us that are born-again were sinners. But we are clean. Washed in the Blood of Jesus.
Report Post »We either love God or we don’t.
All that sinned are not born-again.
It’s either Satan first and his son, your father.
Or it’s God second and His Son, our Father.
One is a sinner by birth. The other is a saint by rebirth.
What are you?
mils
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 11:02pmdamn…this is where all the “holier than thou” creepies come out of the woodwork…go ahead…tell us how much you “know” about jesus and what he would do….bull, you’re just as nutty as anyone else…
Report Post »richard the lion-hearted
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 11:08pmAnyone can be a Christian, some struggle more than others, some pray every day for the strength to overcome their personal struggles with sin, some pray to understand the nature and deception of their particular sins so that they may more wisely battle their temptations, some are satisfied with saying they believe and that’s enough for them. Everyone will receive according to their faithfulness and exercise thereof. No man has ANY right to judge his brother, love the sinner/ hate the sin, but in hating the sin if you offend your brother (that is in error) by harshness or rudeness are you inviting him to Christ or driving him away when you claim to represent Christ?
Report Post »Mikhail Kennedy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 11:47pmI will not accept openly gay people in my church. If they think that they are not doing wrong and that being gay is okay with Jesus then they are wrong. Once they are members of the church they will be pushing to teach the children in Sunday school that being gay is okay. Gays are always pushing their agenda on others, I think it is so they can justify it to themselves.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:21amRomans 1:16-32
King James Version (KJV)
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:25amI noticed some say “Do not judge” and others say “Well Jesus said this and that’s all you need.” If the message was that simple we’d only need a few verses. But the Bible is much larger than that. It’s simple enough in the message but you have to study it. Yes Jesus said not to judge… a hypocritical judgement or that based on attire, but judge with righteous judgement (Matt. 7:3-5, John 7:24). Yes we are told to love our neighbor as ourselves but part of that love is warning them about the dangers of living in sin. Homosexuality is a sin (1 Cor. 6:9-10). Jesus was definitely not shy in addressing the error of the pharisees and scribes (Matt 23:15-36). Peter was not shy in addressing the error of Simon the sorcerer (Acts 8:14-24). The word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword and we need to remember that (Heb. 4:12). If the sinner is not cut to the heart then the truth is not being presented.
Report Post »El Paco
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:26amYou can hold christian beliefs, attend christian worship houses, read the bible, etc. as a gay person. Nothing against that.
If you go around saying that Christ loves you even if you’re gay…. you’re right too.
However, if you say that Christ believes that it’s ok to practice homosexuality….. you’re wrong.
That’s about the gist of it. So yea, you can believe that you’re christian….. but you‘re really not following Christ’s teachings.
Report Post »Argyle
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:39amHe who is without sin should cast the first stone!
Report Post »Sage0925
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:51am*sigh* Let me start with, No, I’m not gay. Then let me proceed to “homosexuality exists in nature”. Wolves, geese, dolphins, etc. Then let’s go to, “Where there is love, the gods are pleased, it matters not the form.” – Mercedes Lackey, “Magic’s Pawn”
Then, the last…homosexuality affects the quality of your life, how? Some people are just born this way, guys…get over it. I have enough homosexual friends, that I’m fairly certain that this is not a learned behavior. I think it’s really stupid that the officials in CA find it necessary to include it in the school curriculum. I think it’s counter productive for gays to make such an issue about it all. We know you are there, guys and gals…you don’t need to keep shoving this crap under our noses. In fact, if you’d lay off, people might not get so offended about it all.
*shrug* I don’t care…why should you (unless you live in CA, where they persist in shoving this crap in everybody’s face) ? Unless you are just a psycho religious busybody that can’t help themselves telling other people how they should live? Whether or not a gay or lesbian decides they want to get married is between them and whatever church they can find that will do the deed. I don’t understand why anybody really cares. You can’t get rid of them…just be good parents and explain to your kids that people like that exist, and it’s not the norm. And if they do end up that way, love them anyway. They’ve been around for millenia. Sapph
Report Post »Mizurax
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:01amI can’t vote in this poll because none of the choices fully answer the question.
One can be gay and be a Christian. But if you truly believe, and you practice a gay lifestyle, you will come to struggle with that lifestyle. It may be years of struggle, but if the Holy Spirit resides in you, you WILL struggle. You WILL know that something needs to change.
Being gay and a Christian is no different than being a thief and a Christian, or being addicted to porn and a Christian. But while struggling with those things, you will come to know deep down that what you are involved in is wrong. It may take a lifetime of struggle to rid yourself of your wrong-doing, but each time you fail, you will get up, dust yourself off, and try. If you involve yourself with these things, and don’t struggle with it inside, then I doubt you truly believe.
I don’t know anyone that lives a sin-free life. I don’t know anyone without their share of struggles… I definitely don’t know of any sin-free Christians. That voice inside, the one making you care about trying, that is God. If you aren’t struggling with your faults, I don’t see how God is truly present in you, so I don’t see how you would truly be a Christian.
God knows our heart. He knows whether or not we care; whether or not we are trying.
It’s not what we have done, it is what we have overcome.
Report Post »DYNA
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:11am@Hankscam
A person is saved by faith. Faith in what Jesus has already done on the cross to save us. Jesus who knew no sin became sin on our behalf, so that we who knew no righteousness, might be the righteousness of God. A born again, spiritually alive person is not going to want to practice sin, but will want to have his or her mind renewed to the mind of Christ in order to be set free from sin. Christians want the Way out of sin , they will not want to practice it. God has also said that bad company corrupts good morals. We have to chose those who we associate with and for what reasons. People who in their hearts want to practice sin while rejecting the price that Jesus has paid to redeem them from sin will go to hell and not because of the sin, but because they rejected the Redemption, the Redemption bought and paid for by the Redeemer, Jesus the Christ.
Homosexuality is sin and a manifestation of the sin of exchanging the truth of God for a lie and worshipping and serving the creature rather than the Creator. For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one, and the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another- men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrongdoing..
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:12amCan you have homosexual desires and be a Christian?
Who among us doesn’t have impure thoughts?
Can you engage in homosexual acts and be a Christian?
Who among us does not sin?
Can you refuse to repent of those acts and be a Christian?
There’s the rub.
God calls us to repentence. It is the only price that we are expected to pay for our salvation. Christ died on the cross for us and all he asks is that we repent of our sins. This means that we acknowledge that we are sinners, that what we do is wrong, and that we need to be forgiven.
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” 1 John 1:8 If by “practicing homosexual” is meant one who claims that it is no sin to engage in those acts then, NO, you cannot be a Christian and refuse to repent of your sins.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:34amThere is a difference between sinning and practicing sin also we are only forgiven for the sins we confess. If we choose to practice sin sooner or later God will give us over to a depraved mind where we cease to see sin and sin and so will no longer confess that sin. Salvation does not override freewill.
Report Post »Crotchetyman
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:14amWell JTCHODGIE, did it make you change your mind that fast?
Report Post »malkin5
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:29amThe question could also be phrased “Can you be a sinner and Christian?“ The answer is an obvious ”Yes”. If you claim that gay/lesbian folk cannot be Christian because they are sinners, then Nobody can be (Christian) since ALL peaple are sinners.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:01amAs God says, God cannot coexist in the same space with any kind of sin and according to God homosexuality is an abomination. When His Word is read then there is absolutely no question that a homosexual cannot be accepted into salvation while in that lifestyle choice. I have a daughter that has chosen this lifestyle and I am fixing to have to sit down with her and have this very discussion. She is to know that I love her God loves her and that whatever choice she chooses is up to her and that it will not be held against her, nor will we love her any less. BUT, if she wants to have a relationship of salvation with Him, she will have to give up her lifestyle choice. Like I said I will always love her as much as I am possible of (which is a LOT) regardless but also that love includes making sure that she know the results of whatever choice she makes. It is going to be a very difficult time for me the next couple of months until I can sit down with her and have this discussion since she drives a truck cross country.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:05am@Tower
Report Post »“also Judge not least you be Judged”
Well considering that everyone on this site has heard you judge more than any other person on here, how do you explain that. Besides the scripture saying in context that you are to judge the sin not the sinner for that is up to Him to do. However, you continually make accusations and judgements about a lot of things based on your own perceptions and emotions.
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:11am@Hank
Report Post »At least we have something up there which apparently you do not, especially not knowledge of God. There is a BIG difference between a christian sinning (which we all do) and asking forgiveness for sinning. This is totally different from choosing to live in a continual sin and expecting salvation. The key words here are: ASKING FORGIVENESS and since someone who chooses to live in sin cannot ask forgiveness and still keep on with the nonstop sinning. Also, ANYONE that teaches that a homosexual (even if they aren’t) can be saved and go to heaven will also loose their salvation if they had it to begin with. This is because of the VERY STRICT admonition of God that if we cause someone to not be saved (ie: telling someone that they can be homosexual and saved at the same time) then we are responsible for that person’s possible loss of salvation and thereby lose their own salvation. If you don’t believe that LOOK IT UP.
jmanuola
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 4:55amthis is the view of homosexual BEHAVIOR in the bible…the behavior is as much as any other sin mentioned in the Bible. Second, the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus (Rom. 6:23) and this is eternal life, that you may know God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent (John 17:3). But not everyone who calls HIm “Lord, Lord” shall enter the kingdom of God. For in that day, many will say, “Lord, did I not cast out demons in Your Name and heal the sick, and raise the dead.” but He shall say the those people, “depart from Me, you doers of wickedness, FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU.” Matt.24.
It is not for us to determine WHO is going to heaven or hell. God is the Holy Judge. We have all sinned and most assuredly, we all continue in sin of some kind. Whether it is the sin of homosexual behavior or lusting after a woman or lying or whatever, sin is sin….and many of us live in it daily. Each and every one of those sins is forgiven as any other, by God’s grace through the death and resurrection of Christ.
What shall we say then? Shall we sin even more so that God’s grace may abound more? Rom. 6:1 OMG, no. If we deny that we sin, then we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. I John 1.
How shall we who supposedly died to sin, continue in it? Rom. 6:2. THerefore, do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies that you should obey its lusts. Rom. 6:12.
Cam a person who commits the sins associated with homosexuality be
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 5:02amFormerLib and Islesfordian have it right.
Report Post »Wraith
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 5:18am“Can you be an addict, alcoholic, aldulter and be a Christian?”
A lot of people sin knowingly and still believe in Christ. For the most part, everyone has heard and/or knows the 10 Commandments. However, the majority of homosexuals do NOT believe their lifestyle is a sin even though the Bible is pretty clear. I mean really, who can argue with “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination“ or ”If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Then there’s also the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Having said that, I do believe there are some that have homosexual tendencies that are also true Christians. The difference is they “know” they have a weakness and they work to overcome it. Isn’t that the way all sin works? Some people have tendencies (temptations) to kill, steal, lie, cheat, or commit whoredoms. Does that mean they should give up and embrace the sin? NO WAY! The homosexuals thinks so, but they are wrong. Once you embrace sin, it makes it even harder to overcome. You will be left unto yourself to “kick against the ******” and fight against God.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 5:27amThe reason why the scripture about do not judge or you will be judged has two primary components to it. The first is that it is saying to not judge the sinner but judge the sin. The other components is that when people judge they judge based on their own determinations of what sin is and at what levels morals become a sin and on and on. One example of this is tower speaking about David and the foreskins. He has determined that based on his morals that doing something like that is a sin when what it mostly is, is that he does not understand the difference between the western mind and the eastern mind and especially the bibilical eastern mind. The difference between the two is like night and day. Just like some people believe that killing is a sin. It is NOT a sin, murder is, and there is a difference as most of us would see.
Report Post »Ronko
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 5:46amThe Bible is very clear on this issue but what isn’t brought up is that the bible was written in ancient times, not present day speak. Now of course that would be a very dangerous route to take the bible because if it’s rewritten you can bet Social Justice will make it in there and that would be very dangerous. My personal beliefs on this issue are phrased in one quote, “Judge a man not by the color of his skin but the content of his character”, the content of his character. If he/she is a good person, who respects life and lives withing gods core rules then it doesn’t matter if they are gay/straight.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 6:42amyou can call yourself a christian no matter what you do but if you continue the sin i’m thinking you had best stop calling yourself a christian.
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 6:48am“go and sin no more”
Report Post »Reallyfedupwiththeignoranceofpeople
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:15amyou without sin cast the first stone… Most people forget that we have no right to judge anyone only God has that right and who are we to say that they are wrong. Even if we disagree with it it’s not yours, mine or anyone else’s right to say they are wrong and you are right!
Report Post »holy ghostbuster
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:37am@Ulyssesp – what makes you think anyone would want to put their hand on YOUR ass? I think you might have latent homosexual tendencies.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:53amIMO the standard by which every Christian is judged is Christ. And we know of Christ by what the Scriptures teach. As Christ taught – He did not come to destroy the Law –not one jot nor tittle of the Law should pass away until all is fulfilled. From Genesis to the Revelation of Jesus Christ the Bible has one message. There are those Children of God -and there are children of the darkness. The tree is known by its fruits. And I cannot judge another -for only God knows the heart.Only God can separate the wheat from the Tares My part is to proclaim the Good news A great light has come into the world but men preferred the darkness because their deeds were evil. Sexual Orientation remains an orientation to do that which is an abomination/fornication -unnatural.And as a Christian I cannot claim to obey the law and Love God if I allow my brother to perish in the consuming fire.For he does not see that we are Created for Gods pleasure to obey God. is life. The lusts of this world will perish.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:24amAs there are several mainstream churches that allow gay marriage, I’d say yes. Everyone interprets the Bible differently, and no matter how convinces a person is that they are right, there’s no way to prove it. It’s literally “God only knows.” I follow the new commandments, as Jesus overturned most of the old rules:
“Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets”
As the only way to heaven is through Jesus, that’s who I follow.
As for @Ulyssesp, I‘d opine that you don’t follow these commandments. In the case you described, it would be best to literally “turn the other cheek”!
Report Post »God_Country
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:25amHaving gay sex is a SIN you will burn in HELL if you don’t stop and ask GOD for forgiveness and never do it again, be strong and resist Satan.
Report Post »wesleyapril
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:39amWe are all sinners, and even if we have accepted salvation from Christ, we are still sinners – no one is perfect – there was only One and He has been gone from this world for over 2000 years.
Having said that, I believe it is an abomination in God’s eyes.
I
Report Post »Beckisdelusional
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:32amAnd he had the nerve to say someone else wasn’t normal! He’s nothing more than an internet gangster…
Report Post »single stack
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:51amIf you really really did cripple a man for touching you, you belong in prison for a very long time. I hope he sues you for everything you have or ever will have for the rest of your life.
Report Post »Over the course of my life I’ve been hit on by several men. None ever tried to force himself on me or “cop a feel”. A simple “No” or “I’m not gay” was all it took to dissuade them.
Such a violent reaction to being propositioned shows a fear of exposure of something hidden deep inside your psyche.You need some serious counseling. Hopefully you’ll get it after a few years of marriage to whoever has the most cigarettes in the cellblock, bitchboy.
Minpin1985
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:59amTOWER7FEMACAMP: About Numbers 18:27 – I wanted to correct you on your remarks about that verse. First of all you can’t take one verse like that without looking at the story and context. The reason for the foreskins was because Saul hated David and didn’t want David to marry his daughter so he required a dowry of 200 foreskins of the enemy. The first reason was because it was so disgusting that he didn‘t think that David would do it and second reason because he didn’t think that David COULD do it. And I have heard pastors speak on this chapter and verse in church so you are wrong.
Report Post »HUGGINGMYBABIES
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 10:06amYou can call yourself a Christian as many people in the world today do, but only God will issue the final definition. Most human only ASPIRE to be a true Christian and many of the rules in the bible (hair cutting, clothing, etc.) are no longer strictly adhered to. I think you can say you’re a Christian in the making and be gay, but calling yourself a born again Christian when you’re gay is like saying your a reformed alcoholic while you sit in a bar with a beer in your hand. Just be spiritual and kind and level the definitions up to God.
Report Post »notjoshing
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 10:10amChristians are no less sinful than anyone else, and as many are worse than the average human being as better. God knows every Christian is just another patient in the hospital with Him as the treating physician. Just because someone struggles with a sin I do not does not mean they are any less capable of worshiping and honoring God; it just means they’re in a different hospital ward than I am.
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 10:56amwhat 68 titan has to say, good reference.
Report Post »renegade00723
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 10:56amHomosexuality is, was, and will remain sin. However, we as Christians SHOULD NOT JUDGE those who practice homosexuality. We are called to love them with Christ’s love. We are called to reach out to them and welcome them into our churches. Homosexuality is no more of a sin than a pornography addiction, child abuse, or slander. Therefore, we must accept them (but not their sin) that through us God might bring them salvation. We ALL have fallen short of the glory of God, and we have no place judging homosexuals with the harshness and bigotry that we as a “Christian” community have displayed.
Report Post »rl22
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 11:13amWe made perfect in Christ after asking Him in our heart. (HEB 5:9)
The criteria for salvation is accepting Jesus as your saviour. After that your sins are if they never were. The Grace Jesus gives us is amazing.
Everyone one of us is a sinner, not one can be perfect in the law. Continuing in sin does not cause you to lose salvation. Some continue in sin due to oppression. Some continue because their hearts are not with Jesus. Only He knows their hearts.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 11:30amBelieve it or not but God also makes a distinction between sin done is secret and those who do it openly to teach others to do the same and lead them away from the straight path. Those who openly practice sin as to teach it as common will receive a greater condemnation.
Report Post »Who would Jesus bomb?
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 11:40amSo if you think being gay is a choice? Then tell me this. Have you ever known any straight men to “choose” to jump **** and swim to gay island? Have you ever known any straight men who just wake up one day and say, “Hmm, I am tired of being straight, I think I will be gay”? I really don’t think so. I am straight and I just don’t see how I could choose to be gay. Gay people are born that way, they would not be attracted to the same sex otherwise, which means that they are born with whatever makes them gay, which is a fundamental problem with christianity. And I am a believer in Christianity, I live by it and I think the world would be so much better off if everyone did, but I have a problem with the way the church treats gays. Christianity teaches us NOT to persecute, but makes an exception for gays. The idea of being gay, as disgusting as it is to me, is still not a reason to banish a person from the church. I don’t like the idea of a child being raised by a gay couple… it’s a difficult subject. I believe a family unit should consist of a mother and father. This is the part of the equation that I am unsure about. I do not know if I believe there should be a law against gay couples raising children, but I don’t think it should be encouraged… oh well, the world will never be at peace, I am running out of characters so I will just shut up now.
Report Post »angiea
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:16pmGay man doesn’t look happy — I actually thought he looked very unhappy, stressed, he doesn’t believe what he says. There is no peace in him as he speaks of his “love for God, God’s love for me” He doesn’t believe himself.
Report Post »Amazing, how they have to turn around and spew hate toward the “straight” that he knows bad straight people…sad how they will go to extreme to defend themselves… sad boy.
SacredHonor1776
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:18pmThere are alot of lukewarm christians in name only in the church today. Those who continue to practice any number of sins including adultry, pedophilia, or the seven deadly sins! There are already members of the church that practice sodomy in secret!
What makes them any different than the practicing homosexuals wanting to go church?
Nothing really! If its a genetic malady brought on by the Devil and a sinfiilled world, it will be ‘cured’ when they get to heaven. If its continued sin, that‘s up to god’s final judgement.
But one thing is for certain, the bible isn’t very particuarly kind to the homosexual lifestyle, and a number of other things like adultry, greed, gluttony, etc. Stating that these will all be punished in the end. In the end it describes that all sins ‘equal’ in the sight of ‘God’. it all comes down to people believing if the book is the word of God (in which case a person would be continuing to argue with god, if they kept practicing whatever sin the bible has forbid), or simply the word of man. If the latter, they might as well take up being athiests (because if nothing is inspired, what’s the point of going to church?).
There will be alot of so-called christians already, according to the bible, that won’t be making it into heaven for whatever sin they continue to practice. According to the bible, it really doesn‘t matter what the ’sin’ is.
Report Post »Right_on_the_Left_Coast
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:52pmThe truth is that the Bible is very clear about it’s stance on homosexuality, and nobody can be a christian if there is something in their life that they refuse to surrender to God. Can you be a smoker and a christian? Sure! But you are not a christian if you say, “I’ll do anything for God except give up smoking.”
Either Jesus is Lord in your life or he isn’t. Smoking isn’t technically a sin. But anything that is more important to you than your relationship with God IS a sin. And homosexuality is no different. I know many men that are attracted to other men, but have chosen never to act upon that attraction because their relationship with God means more to them. They are real believers. I cannot say the same about the guy in the video.
Is it possible that he has a real faith in Jesus?… mmmmaybe… but it’s not very likely because real faith leads to repentance, surrender, and a fight against the sin within you. He is not fighting. He has given up. Therefore he is not repentant. If repentance is the result of faith, then a lack of repentance would indicate the absence of faith. He apparently does not really believe/love God and His word, and therefore is probably not a christian.
Report Post »Big Book Harry
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:13pmThat is a loaded question. The answer would be yes if you’re a true Christian with the spirit working from within you to change you from the inside out, healing you as needed from your biological psychological malady as the case would be… If not the former then at least t bear upon your heart to abstain from intimate contact with ones that you are not married to, remember god does not approve of same sex marriages.
Report Post »Rapunzel
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:28pm@Thomas…you left out verse 11: 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Report Post »XenAnarcoCap
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:39pmI live everyday of my live as a lesbian, and I never feel wrong: I have a beautiful woman who loves and cares for me and my spiritual identity, she while not being a christian still believes in god just not the horrible ‘christian’ people who mocked and had cast her out from her church, and I have a God whom I have a loving personal relationship with. After many years struggling with my identity God came to me and I had an realization: Everyone with gay impulses are not always called to live life as a normal christian except with a partner rather than spouse, but some are. If it brothers you so, don’t be gay. All of Gods children are made perfect how they are, but they struggle and need guidance. How is a teen, on the verge of suicide, going to find Gods grace in the comments of Christians calling them ‘****’? Does God call all people to preach the same message even when it hurts their brothers and sisters? Will you stay by your ideas even when they cause a child to take their life when they think that no one loves and understands them? Will you condemn a person’s relationship with God just because it is not yours? What about Jesus, would he find a centurion and his pais (a male roman sex servant) and praise the man for his love of god, heal his lover, and tell the man to return home his love is healed, never telling the man his love was a sin? If you answered no, maybe you should a little bit more of the bible and not focus on the verses that also say eating shrimp is
Report Post »dont tread
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:53pmThe hypocrisy of practicing Christians is absolutely embarassing. If disobeying and not practicing a particular part of the bible ruined your connection with God, well, many of us are in trouble. I see this every minute in the genteel Southern Baptist, alcoholic, and racist town of Abilene Texas.
I have trouble sleeping at night knowing that gays are lying about who they are to fight and die for our freedom while we sit comfortably in our homes and take polls on how we judge their freedom. Makes me sick.
Report Post »JustJerry
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:07pmThis is where conservatives fail. Go ahead, continue to judge the sins of your fellow man. When your time comes to be judged, pray that god gives more mercy to you then you have given the homosexual community.
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:01pmuhh… what if homosexuality is a real biological phenomenon? It’s shown in the animal kingdom.. ’cause if that were true, it means god made gay people.. and if that‘s true it means your brains can’t handle it and then they explode..so here‘s to keep’n it anti-biological bible thumpers! If you’ve never had the opportunity in your lives to discuss this with a gay person in a friendly manner to gain insight, you should all shut your kkk faces. Of course this will make people assume I’m a lib, which I’m not but go ahead and pass judgment!
Report Post »Sarika
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:42pmIf one is homosexual and wants to follow Christ in truth then he/she will try their damndest to remain abstinent. Of course, we all fall. Forgiveness is there. But I don‘t believe one can be a practicing Christian and continue to live as though the Bible didn’t exist. If one‘s faith is strong it’s hard to believe that one wouldn’t try to be self-restrained. But we are all sinners.
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:51pm@Cesium By your conclusion since we see it in the animal kingdom, humans should eat feces and their own vomit and attempt to force themselves upon someone else’s leg.
@ To those who believe being gay is not a sin but is ok with God, remember this, Satan told Eve she would not die and in 2 Cor. 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
@ Those who say not to judge Matthew 7:5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:1-5 is about hypocritical judging. If you are a practicing homosexual you must first stop before you can tell someone else not to do it. If you are an alcoholic you must first stop drinking etc. We all sin that’s true but those who are Christians strive day to day not to sin. If we were never to judge then we could never do as Ephesians 5:11 says: And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Report Post »jgeezy
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 4:42pmI know plenty of Christians who have had premarital sex. Also, do you have any idea how many practicing Christians there are in Federal penitentiaries? Don’t be hypocrites.
Report Post »richard the lion-hearted
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 6:06pmMy understanding of why we should not judge (besides being told NOT TO by our Lord) is for one of the very reasons I believe that Christ suffered for everyone’s sins, all at once, and why? Not just to save us from spiritual death but so that he FULLY understood every thought process, every afflicted soul, every suffering person who sins out of feeling unworthy to even participate in God’s plan, those with deep, all-consuming wounds caused by others, weakened as part of their life’s misfortunes (child abuse, sexual abuse). Christ understands the tortured soul who cannot overcome their sins no matter how hard they try, Christ knows most sin is out of weakness and not by some evil disposition, He also knows that many are led to sin by the numerous ‘soothsayers’ who preach all is well, and that there is no shame, who seduce with flattering words that entice the natural man. And now that society at large (as godless as it is) bombards the masses with supporting messages of sin just makes it all the more perilous for our children, our children’s children. I believe that Christ’s suffering was not only for us but to also complete his tasks for which he was edified, and glorified. Suffering his own temptation in the flesh, hence the well known scripture, “And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14: 36 KJV).
Report Post »netman349
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 6:26pmMy sentiments exactly!
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 6:49pmMinpin1985 thank you for adding more details to the story
Report Post »But I am still appalled that these people that everyone stands with and
preach about , were collecting foreskins.
American Indians had far more class, they just took the scalps
and Turks take the ears of their enemies
but Jews take foreskins ????
Rep151
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:01pmYour an idiot!
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:22pmI judge no body but if I do judge my judgment is true. Judgment comes later but telling someone the Truth isn’t judging them but if you believe it is then you are in big trouble. Jesus never said salvation overrides freewill. Now if we can’t control sin then why would God ever judge us for it? Jesus also said that no one comes to him unless the Father draw them so why is God judging us for something we can’t control? You are in big trouble when Truth causes you to feel like you are being discriminated against.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:33pmThis guy who made this video goes even beyond just sinning because he openly leads other into his sin. God even makes a distinction among those who sin in secret and those who openly lead others from the straight way. To the lesbian who doesn’t feel bad that means you have denied your conscience so much that He has left you alone. Scripture talks about those who have been give over to depraved mind and to the lust and desires for their destruction. Anyone who follows your teaching will live under a curse also because once you are given over to a depraved mind you will cease to see sin as sin and therefore cease to confess it as sin. Where there is no confession neither is there forgiveness. Once saved always saved in a lie by those actually wish to be done and finished with God all together. You are no longer guided by the Truth but by your own subjective emotions and desires which will lead you to destruction. Take it or leave it but Truth has just been given.
James 3:1 (NASB)
Report Post »1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a [a]stricter judgment.
margiericco
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:09pm@Hankscram
Report Post »Jesus did redeem all men, but our salvation is conditional. The just man falls 7 times a day, even trying to live a just life. This is not to be confused with someone who gives into his sins and then justifies them by saying God loves me anyway. Of course He does. He is just waiting for proof that we love Him in return by obeying His commandments.
Jonathan gives the example of Jesus forgiving the adulterous woman. He leaves out the part where Jesus tells her to go and sin no more. Jesus was correcting her and commanding her to change her life style. It did not mean she wouldn’t fall again. Jesus does know we are weak but he doesn’t want us to embrace sin because of our sinful tendencies.
svan71
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:11pmNo just litle boys ie GAYpedifile Catholic priests.
Report Post »sarahliquid
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:13pmSomeone posted 1 Co. 6:9-10 “9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.”
But they left off verse 11 “And yet that is what some of YOU were.” Not what some of you are, but were. They had left all of those things behind. After stopping those behaviors they were “But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.”
So, in that day as today, people can renounce a homosexual lifestyle. Some can go on to lead to heterosexual lifestyles, others remain celibate, either way God appreciates the effort and knows their suffering and will reward them greatly for their sacrifice. After all, it‘s not like God hasn’t sacrificed anything for us.
Report Post »margiericco
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:18pm@Hankscram
Report Post »Jesus did indeed establish a Church with a teaching authority while he was on earth. Of course it was organized as I am sure He was. I can’t imagine Him being disorganized. :) He sent men out 2 by 2 to teach what he taught. “Whoever hears you, hears Me”.
If he wanted the Bible to be the sole authority why didn’t he print them, pass them out and send the Holy Spirit with them? He chose to use men (sinful men at that) to pass on what He taught and He has preserved that truth through the last 2000+ yrs as He promised. His truths are still taught for those who have ears to hear.
teamarcheson
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 8:31pmIt would make you a sinner. God destroyed Sodom and Ghamara to prove his sentiments about homosexuals.
Report Post »cykoaudio
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 11:47pm@NHwinter..you got it right,your question is spot on..“WHEN do you come to terms”..right..it is okay for a sinner to be a Christian,and go to church,and your right eventually you have to fully repent(turn 180 degrees around),…that was my point,I couldn’t finish….yes a **** can be good Christian,go to church,has right not to be judged by anyone,especially Christians,unless they want to be like the judgemental Muslims they so villify…BUT gays,if wanting full relationship w/God,stay in church,feed the poor & continue being son of God they HAVE to look to ridding them self of the affliction,eventually,sooner than later,& HAVE to come to terms w/the fact Bible says you can’t be gay FOREVER and be disciple of Jesus,but you can be gay now and go to church,be good Christian,but have to realize to fully repent,as hard as it is for drug addicts,gamblers,sex addicts,you have to turn around and either go straight(yes it has happened,and whether it is popular or not opinion,homosexuality is a psycho-sexual disorder,you can scream at me,disagree,fine,but you WILL find out sooner or later I was right,&the dozens of psychologists I’ve reamed that idea from-but that makes gays no worse than anyone else w/a small or big degree of psychological disorder,and should make them more,not less,accepted in religious communities,but it also makes them able to be helped,realizing it is psycho-sexual disorder,and possible to repent fully from) or be a monk
Report Post »XenAnarcoCap
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 1:36am@THOMAS- Well that just shows how much you know about me and gay people of any kind. “you have denied your conscience so much that He has left you alone. Scripture talks about those who have been give over to depraved mind and to the lust and desires for their destruction” Well since I am neither deprived, nor have I given over to lust, I feel happier than I ever had within an evil ‘christian’ family, I have a healthy relationship with my god, and I have 6 wonderful friends who tell me that if they had listened to what their ‘church family’ told them they would be dead. If you didnt know, I have a long standing celibate loving relationship with the woman whom I share my life. I dont think you know what your talking about.
Report Post »A persons relationship with God is just that a relationship that excludes EVERYONE. Its not for people to judge a person’s religion. Thats God’s job. And you dont help people without love. You hurt them. And Jesus will know you as you and will know me as me as long as you believe in and love him.
And I think a better question for this poll would be: Is being gay a sin. I say no. You can believe what you want to but I know my God would never make me with a mistake. And I know I was made by God to love and understand the children so evilly revoked by the ‘christians’ who claim love but preach hate. And I can tell you many God loving people have been pushed from the church due to them believing they are ‘unclean’ and ‘depraved’
doodad
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 2:50amThe only legitimate Christian homosexuals are hot lesbians that are down with a Doodad sammich…nothing in the Bible condemning that!
Report Post »ClassWarFare
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 7:01amIf it’s okay for klan members to lynch negroes, burn their houses down with their families still inside, fornicate with black women behind closed doors, and then go to church like nothing happenedwhile being a respected pillar of their communities, then why would you hate on some poor homosexual that prays to the same God as you?
I bet you are a self-loathing man with a problem satifying the women, when a brotha such as myself can come along at any given time, score with any white woman I want, and beat the cat up to the point where I change her ******* dimensions.
LOL
Report Post »nuttyvet
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 10:13amFirst off, gays don’t “practice homosexuality.“ If you give it any real thought instead of putting your fingers in your ears screaming ”la la la la la”, you’d figure out that it is not a choice. Plus, if God is all knowing, past present and future, he already knows you’re gay, he knows you’re going to “practice” being gay, so you have no choice but to be the way he made you. Some of the intolerance I hear from you all reminds me hands down of the Muslims and it makes me ashamed. Love your neighbor, it’s not your place to judge, he’s not going to sexually harass you (would you harass your neighbor), and move on with YOUR lives and let the gays live theirs.
Report Post »HairOfTheDogSob
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 5:44pmGo to hell, vs Repent..it is that easy
Report Post »BUDDY LITTLE
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:45pm“LET him without SIN cast the first stone” I am so glad to see so many here without SIN?Can we be Christian and also sinners at the same time, GOD I hope so!!If we can’t we are ALL LOST!!.
Report Post »Lisa Moeller
Posted on May 15, 2012 at 5:58pmso, my story is this….i lived as a gay woman my entire adult life. i was also addicted to drugs my entire adult life. i was sexually abused as a child and that was predominantly the reason. in june of 2010, i was healed of the abuse, delivered from drugs, and my identity restored by the power of Jesus Christ. the most humbling part is that i did not reach out to Him, rather He interrupted the downward spiral i was in, and completely changed from that moment on. i was completely homosexual and was instantly heterosexual, with absolutely no effort on my part. this debunkts the whole “born this way” theory, and i plan to release all that i have learned from Him in a book i am writing entitled, “You weren’t meant to carry that” which will bring to light the truth that God has placed in my heart, which i know will lead to criticism, resentment, and persecution. but for those with eyes to see, ears to hear, and hearts that are open, it may also lead to restoration. i invite anyone who is interested in my story to friend me, and you can see photos and testimonies of God’s grace.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:37pmSexual desire is all about the pro-creation of the species. Any form of sexual relations that does not foster that end is by definition, DEVIANT BEHAVIOR. Such behavior flies in the face of the “natural order” and as such is UNNATURAL BEHAVIOR as well. Therefore, homosexuality is PERVERSE and definitely OUT OF TOUCH with biblical scripture which encourages the pro-creation of the human race.
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:38pmso what. no pearly gates anyway. whats this relationship with God? is it physical, if so your a little gay.
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Is God a man or a woman?
Does time affect God?
Does distance limit God?
idiot, you are basically stuck in a box of your own creation.. hence your stupidity..
Report Post »hurricanerigger
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:51pmSame as Buddhism! You can be a Buddhist and be a christian, but you cannot be a Christian and be a Buddhist. Same thing you can be a Homosexual or a Lesbian and be a christian but you cannot be a Christian and be a Homosexual or a Lesbian. Due to the fact that the use of the word christian with lower case means “Christians wanna be” but cannot be as it is condemned by God! Very few that calls themselves Christians actually are. They might have their belief based on christianity but far from the true path. REPENT!!!
Report Post »BlazingPatriot
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:57pmIn all actuality, nobody has a right to call themself a Christian since no human being is worthy to fill Jesus’ shoes. The term *Believer in Christ* is a more proper definition.
If one who is a believer is doing their utmost to live a holy and clean life that exemplifies the life of Christ while he walked on this earth and if one does his best to practices his teachings, then people will notice your Christ-like (Christian) way and hence may call you a Christian.
You will notice in the bible that at no time did anyone call him/herself a Christian. The disciples were first *called* Christians at Antioch by those whom they had taught and assembled with. Acts 11:26
Again, let others call *you* a Christian, and not yourself.
Report Post »Sage0925
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:00amThen explain to me why homosexuality exists in nature…wolves, geese, dolphins, etc.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:41am@sage0925: So animals do it is an excuse?
Report Post »enufznuf
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:10amSimply put our lord is forgiving. Do the same again, maybe not so much. Have no faith, we’ll see.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 5:05amHumans do not live under the same standards as animals.
Report Post »Servant Of YHVH
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 5:38amPeople call themselves christians because the go to church and so on. It makes them christian just like walking into a garage makes them a car. People are not christian just because they call themselves christian but they are foolish because what is the purpose of calling yourself a christian if you don’t live the lifestyle and constantly seek after God and His Love. Follow Him in thought and deed and then it makes it worthwhile to be a Christian. You can bet that if I wasn’t willing to follow Him in thought and deed then I sure would be out there partying and having fun instead of pretending to be a nice quiet sedate spiritual person. The only good reason to call yourself a christian is because you want the benefits which is spendig eternity here on earth in the New Jerusalem with God. Worshiping God, loving God and seeking after Him. There is no greater enjoyment and delight than when you are truly seeking after Him to get closer to Him, to deepen the personal relationship with Him and to truly truly Love Him!
Report Post »JimConstitution
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:03pmTo be fleshly minded is death.
To be spiritually minded is life and peace.
It is being said here as fleshly minded answers to a spiritual question.
I keep reading about being sinners and sinning and acts of sin.
There are no answers in the flesh.
To be born-again is to be spiritually minded. Jesus washed us clean. Why continue to talk about fleshly things?
If we define ourselves as sinners we are saying that God did not clean us from it. That what Jesus has already done had no power. That we can not take Him at His Word.
Believers here should not be trapped by unbelievers questions.
Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men to me.
Jesus took our sin on His own body, that body died, so our sin died with it. Now we are clean, washed by His blood.
Jesus then afterword arose from the dead in newness of life.
He took OUR sin in death and gave us HIS righteousness in life.
Which means we WERE sinners.
Which means we are NOW sinless.
Unbelievers will not be able to understand this. God’s truth is spiritually discerned.
Report Post »ConstitutionalPatriot
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 9:24amVanGuard: maybe to post here you should at least READ the word of God. He is the Creator, He is Timeless. You can stand with Satan to tempt with anger and hatred, but the Lord is the Master of all. He knew at your inception that you would walk this path. He knew but still gave you the free will to do so. Why? Because your disdain for Him will lead others to understand the path which they are on either wrong or right. Your words will help them strengthen their belief’s. I thank you for being here and strengthening my love of the Lord and working through one of my wedges, anger, that a one time controlled me and held me from my walk in the word of God. I pray for you to awaken before its to late.
Report Post »BUDDY LITTLE
Posted on August 5, 2011 at 7:51pmLET ME GUESS? You got caught MASTURBATING As a child and punished ,and told how evil you were? forgive your self .They were wrong!
Report Post »SREGN
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:36pmOnly if you admit your sexual sin is wrong and do everything you can to keep from doing it. And trust in Jesus as your savior.
Report Post »Stormcoming
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:05pmYou got that right.
Report Post »effvar
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:05pmAgreed. You may be gay, but you know that what you’re doing is wrong in G_d’S eyes. Meaning you WANT to turn away from your sins and do them no more.
Report Post »You may fail , but you also know in your heart that what you are about to do is not what G_d wants, therefore you want to stop.
It’s called guilt, If you feel guilty, then what you’re doing is NOT according to the bible.
Oh, God!
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:15pm@EFFVAR-that would be God, not G_d.
Report Post »ConservativeAndProud
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:05pmI have several close gay friends and family, so I understand their intense turmoil to be a Christian and give into their sexual desires. I wish they could have both worlds, but they can’t. If you are a Christian, then you must have a basis for that belief – the Word of God. If you believe the Bible, then it is an all OR nothing issue. Either the Bible is God’s inspired Word and not open to change or it is just a book with great moral stories.
I know there are many that make excuses for their personal changes to the Bible based on our more “enlightened 21st century,” but the truth is that people have NOT changed. What applied in the 1st century still applies today. So the excuse that God proclaimed homosexuality as sinful did not have to do with a culture that was anti-gay as stated by many pro-gays. The Bible was written during a very openly gay period of time.
Christianity hinges on one main premise – the entire Bible is valid and unchangeable. If not, then it is impossible to be a Christian as faith does not exist. You can be a reader, an admirer, a lurker, a skeptic but NOT a Christian.
My term for those that read the Bible and pick out those portions they want to believe in and ignore those they don’t (whatever their excuse for excluding portions) is Unbeliever.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:44pmOh, God!
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:15pm
@EFFVAR-that would be God, not G_d.
Hey stupid!…Some people reverence the name of God so much that they don‘t speak or ’type’ His name. Read some stuff written by devout Jews. You will notice that they do not speak or ‘type’ His name. This person may be Jewish or just highly respectful of the name of God. Try to at least be respectful of others reverence towards God……Or just be stupid!
The key word in the question is “practicing”. The Bible is clear on the matter. But there will always be those who try to twist God’s word and grace to accuse their behavour. Grace is not license to sin.
Report Post »JimConstitution
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 11:24pm@Rational Man,
please show us were it says in the bible we practice Christianity.
or practice religion.
or practice God, etc.
sin is a practice, not righteousness or holiness.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:51am@JimConstitution
Excuse me?….Do I need to quote from every epistle in the New Testament?
Not sure if it is me that does not understand what you are asking or if you, perhaps, are confused about the definition of the word ‘practice’. If it is the latter, I will help you out with definitions from online dictionaries. After reading them, if you don’t understand my post that you replied to, then I guess you can remain indignant. For whatever reason that may be……….
Practice;
do something as custom: to do something as an established custom or habit
carry out, apply
to do or perform often, customarily, or habitually
As you can see, one can practice Christianity, or one can practice homosexuality. Because of the constraints God has put on what He says is sinful behavour, like homosexuality, one cannot ‘practice’ both at the same time. Eventhough, because of Jesus’ sacrificial death on the cross, if one who chooses to accept what Christ has done and is repentant but still struggles with sin, (homosexuality), and fails while in the battle, Jesus’ blood covers that failure/sin. As long as that one is contrite and confesses and is repentant. The word ‘practice’ suggests that one is not repentant or sorrowful over their sin and has the intention of commiting the sin again. As I said in another post, grace, (provided on the cross by Jesus), is not a license to sin. One has to want to give it up and fight for freedom from it i
Report Post »Sage0925
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:01amThen explain to me why homosexuality exists in nature…wolves, geese, dolphins, etc.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:25amIf that is your arguement, then even if I had an explanation it wouldn’t matter to you anyway. You have already made up your mind. No nation or people on earth has had more access to the truth than the American people. ( I am assuming your American) With that in mind, I don‘t waste time trying to convince people of the truth when it’s obvious they have already made up their minds. Believe what ever you want. It‘s obvious this is not your first rodeo arguing your ’point of view’. You have learned the left’s talking points and made IT your gospel…..Not mine. I pray you grasp the truth before it’s too late as I agree with God in that I take no pleasure in the death of a man or woman. But desire that all should come to the knowedge of Christ and live!!……But ultimately, the choice is yours, and mine.
Report Post »God bless you and have a good night!…………………..
walkwithme1966
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:27amI am not going to get into this discuss because it is pointless – we all have our own beliefs on this subject. My question is how can the Blaze staff put up a poll on this issue on a site that is very right wing conservative and expect it to be a representative poll. I knew what the percents were before even looking. The poll was a joke and this age old debate is pointless as well. http://wp.me/pYLB7-1ia
Report Post »JimConstitution
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 2:22pm@Rational Man
If righteousness can be practiced. Which is called works in the bible. Then Jesus died for nothing and we do not need him.
We inherited sin from Adam, the first birth. When we were born.
We inherited a sinless position from Jesus, the second birth. Born-Again.
Holiness can not come by practice. (works of man)
Although sin can be practiced because it’s fleshly in nature.
Believers are sinless by inheritance not by practicing.
Report Post »Sinners are sinners by inheritance but can also practice sin.
They SMEAR what they FEAR
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 11:10pm@JIMCONSTITUTION
If righteousness can be practiced. Which is called works in the bible. Then Jesus died for nothing and we do not need him. Jesus gives back what was undone by Adam and Eve.
- Righteousness is a state. Works without faith is dead. Without the Salvation of Jesus Christ you will be dismissed by God as if you never existed. Jesus gives back what was undone by Adam and Eve.
We inherited sin from Adam, the first birth. When we were born.
We inherited a sinless position from Jesus, the second birth. Born-Again.
- We inherited nothing from adam, we were born in a state of seperation, or sinful nature, from God due to the action of adam and eve. Through accepting Jesus the Christ as our Lord and savior we inherit eternal salvation and forgiveness of sins – as long as we commit to live our life according to God’s commandments and mandates in His Word – those are who He considers righteous. We will always sin but we have redemption through the blood of the risen Christ Jesus.
Holiness can not come by practice. (works of man)
Although sin can be practiced because it’s fleshly in nature.
- Holiness comes only from God and the Holy Spirit is the presence of God here on earth. The Holy Spirit dwells in the Righteous.
Believers are sinless by inheritance not by practicing.
Sinners are sinners by inheritance but can also practice sin.
- No one, with exception of Emmanuel, was, is, or will be sinless.
Report Post »planotexan
Posted on August 4, 2011 at 6:34pmExactly. When one repents of his sins and become a Christian, living in constant sin will not be an option. Of course we all sin on a daily basis, but as a homosexual, you’re entire life is nothing but a sin.
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:36pmIf I agreed with this……we would both be wrong.
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:55pmWe are all sinners, and Jesus deliberately reached out to sinners, but as I recall, Jesus commanded, “go, and sin no more.” I do not believe it is a sin to be a heterosexual, but it is a sin to commit adultery, and I do not believe it is a sin to be homosexual, but I do believe it is a sin to engage in sexual activity within the same sex – as it is to engage in sexual activity outside of marriage. Can you be a Christian and a sinner? Yes; we are all sinners. Can you be a Christian and deliberately engage in the same sin repeatedly? I guess you can call yourself anything you want, but, that does not mean you will be forgiven – that is up to GOD. Should a Christian organization be forced to accept you as a Christian? No.
Report Post »TruthSpeaker
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:23pmyou are so very wrong.
Report Post »HankScram
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:13pm@Patrick in AZ,
as you say, Jesus commanded us to go and sin no more. Why do you continue to sin? Can you be considered a Christian?
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:22pm@Hankscram – are you saying that you are without sin? Don’t lie, that would be sinful
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:26pm@Truthspeaker – what exactly did I write that I am wrong about?
Report Post »On Eagle Wings
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:40pmJesus said to Mary “Go and sin no more”, and He was referring to the LIFESTYLE that Mary chose to do, He was not saying that she should never sin, though it be nice it is quite impossible for her or anyone not to sin.
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:45amHave you ever heard that those who are born of God sin no more? Being born of God is the same as being born of the Spirit which if you are not born of the water and born of the Spirit you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Report Post »JimConstitution
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:05pm@Patrick in AZ
No, Jesus came to his own and his own received him not. The jews. The sinners were jews that were sinners by birth, descendants from Adam. He came to save his people. They rejected him and gave him over to Rome’s government to be killed for blasphemy, because he said he is the Son of God and King of the jews.
People are always saying this in error. Jesus was speaking only to the jews, not the whole world. The world were gentiles, the ungodly. The jews were God’s special people for 3000 years. But that ended at his betrayal and hate of the religious jewish priest that wanted him killed.
Prophecy in Daniel STOPPED. It will restart when the jews sign a peace contact with the antichrist someday.
Jesus said all law will come to pass, every jot and tittle.
(today we are in the time of the gentiles, a period of grace, to offer salvation to the gentiles. Will we accept this offer to believe?).
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:35pmOh, I see – so once you are reborn you become perfect and sin free. I wonder why good Christians keep having to ask for forgiveness? If you think you are without sin, you are a liar
Report Post »Abila
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:33pmNo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:33pmQue ignorant comments in 1,2,3
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:39pmkeep counting until you get to the end of numbers..
Report Post »Fastsam
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:33pmYou are right about God loving you but he won’t keep forgiving you for the same sin. There is a PRICE to pay.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:24pmIf what you just said is true, we all, including you, are in deep doo doo!
Report Post »How many times did Jesus say to forgive?…..7×70?
How many times in a day does the blood of Jesus cover your sinful thoughts, anger, unforgiveness, wandering eye, greed or any other of the multitude of sins we all are tempted by every day? Do you ever repent just to loose your temper the very next day?
It’s an issue of the heart that only God can truely discern. Unless the sin being commited is so blatant the it is obvious to all……The most important word in the question is ”practicing”.
sbenard
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:32pmCan You Be a Practicing Homosexual and a Christian?
Only to the degree you can be a tare amongst the wheat!
Report Post »Bro Geo Too
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:18pmGood connection.
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:31pmI guess it depends on what you mean by “be a Christian”….? There would be about as many opinions as opiners, I suppose.
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:30pmThe whole thing about being a Christian is trying to keep from sinning, don’t think it fits the definition of trying when you say screw it, I’m not going to try.
Report Post »YellowFin
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:30pmA Christian cannot be a practicing homosexual, thief, adulterer, lier, or practicer of any sin.
Report Post »1 Corinthians 6:9-10 tells it like it is.
trolltrainer
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:37pmSo you do not sin?
Oh, I get what you are saying but there is another side to it. We do not become sanctified all at once and sometimes it takes time to understand your sin and repent for it.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:43pmA person can claim to be a Christian all day long, but Jesus is the judge of all mankind.
I can claim to be a doctor, but that does not make it so. Same with a person claiming to be a Christian.
Report Post »kjjboy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:14pmYou should know what you are preaching.
Report Post »http://www.fundotrasovejas.org.ar/ingles/articulos/myths7cor.pdf
ConservativeAndProud
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:16pmTrolltrainer – the entire point of taught by Jesus is that you MUST work to AVOID sin. Yes, we’ll fail (hence the request for forgiveness through prayer) but you must deeply and sincerely work on avoiding the sin. Living a gay lifestyle is NOT avoiding the sin.
Why is it that people only point out a small comment made in the Bible and fail to point out the main overall premise/context? Ignorance is not an excuse.
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:44pmThere is plenty of direction in the Bible concerning sin, in all its forms. So lets not argue about what sin is, we all understand its detrimental effects on mankind.
Those who want to reject God’s Word in favor of their continuing in their sins will do so to their tragic consequences.
Those who respect the reasons God gives to hate the sins we are temped to engage in will be blessed. It all boils down to our choice, sin with its consequences or righteousness with its good results.
This is what the True God told the nation of ancient Israel; Deuteronomy 30:15-20
Report Post »Rizz917
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:30pmRomans Ch 1: 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion
Report Post »31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
tower7femacamp
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:51pmNumbers 31:40
40 And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’s tribute was thirty and two persons.
In Numbers 31, God has Moses destroy an entire city, steal all the loot, burn the city to the ground, and keep all the virgin girls for themselves. At the end of this, God demands that a portion of the spoils be sacrificed to him. This includes the virgin girls that they kept alive.
Of the 16,000 virgins that they spared, God demands that thirty-two be sacrificed to him. Let it never be said that only heathens perform human sacrifice. God seems to have no problem with having people slain in his name, ritually or otherwise. This is not something that a good god would demand.
Report Post »Minpin1985
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 9:58pmTOWER7FEMACAMP: You took that verse and chapter WAY out of context. Here is what that chapter and the spoils are about: It was the division of the spoil of war. Half went to the soldiers and half to those who stayed behind (the levites who guarded the temple). From their share of the spoils the soldiers had to give one-five-hundredth to the priests, and from their share the people had to give one-fiftieth to the Levites. Thus one-tenth of the one percent of the total spoil went the priests and one percent went to the levites. The offering that they brought to the Lord was “…articles of gold, armlets and bracelets, signet rings, earrings, and beads…” Num. 31:50
Report Post »Rizz917
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:07pmYeah, in your dreams Tower. See, that’s the problem with you anti-God types, you have to make stuff up because your positions are so pathetic. I can’t imagine going through life lying to make a point because my positions have no legs. You should pray fo mercy and forgiveness for this.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:21pmok here is what the verse says
Numbers 31:31-40 (King James Version)
Numbers 31:31-40
King James Version (KJV)
31And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
32And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
33And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
34And threescore and one thousand asses,
35And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
36And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:
37And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
38And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and twelve.
39And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and one.
40And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was thirty and two persons.
maybe I am miss interpreting it ?
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 10:23pmRIZZ can you bring some intellect into this debate ?
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 11:48pmYep!..God is so mean that he gave His only begotton Son to suffer and die a horrible death on the cross so no one would ever have to pay their own sacrifice in blood and life again. Now the choice is up to the individual to except that sacrifice and be saved……..or not!
Report Post »Can’t blame God after He provided a way out…………………..
Minpin1985
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 11:04amOk, read it in a ESV bible. That version is way closer and accurate than the KJV. However, when it says stuff in the KJV about spoils of war going to the Lord, I believe it is referring to the tribe of Levi and the priests from the temple. Go do some studying in the original texts and definitions before you start mis interpreting the Bible.
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 11:09am@tower, “God shall not be mocked” You will get your answer at some point, I pray you will repent before the time and see God’s Love, Mercy, and his free gift of Grace.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 6:56pm@schmite123oh
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
I claim no Authority over anyone or anything
You make your own judgments based on the things I post
I never claim to know anything just pointing out what is written
Report Post »Rizz917
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 10:23pmTower, these people weren’t killed as some sort of offered sacrifice to the Lord as you claim. Try reading it again, and again… and again, until you finally understand what’s going on there. And please, don’t be an idiot while telling me to bring some intellect to the discussion. It just makes you look stupid.
Report Post »NEAF
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:30pmJust because the majority support it doesn’t make it right.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:24pmAmen!
Report Post »becauseitmatters
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:30pmWell stated.
Report Post »NILAP
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:29pmStatistically one of Jesus’ disciples was gay. Jesus knew it but its not in the Bible. Come on folks. Jesus is gay friendly.
Report Post »Rizz917
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:34pmDude, you’re so full of crap. This was never the case and you couldn’t prove that garbage if your life depended on it. Just quite while you’re almost ahead.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:39pmThat is the stupidest thing I have heard.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:57pmPlease don’t feed the troll.
Report Post »mizflame98
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:06pmDo you have the name of that disciple?
Report Post »Southern Rebel
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:10pm‘Statistically’? Ba ha ha ha. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Must be one of those gay statistics that claims 1 in 10 people are gay. Where do you statistic demonstrate those who have left the gay lifestyle?
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:02am‘Statistically’?…….What the heck does that mean?? Because there were 12 disciples and you are dumb enough to believe what gays say about 1 in 10??…..ha ha ha ha ha……Thats really funny!
Report Post »Hope you were being sarcastic. Say so now and save some face………………
miketype1each
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:29pmDr. Ransom’s question is spot on. I’d like to ask, can you also be a practicing thief and a good Christian? How about a practicing idolator? Can we get an “ooh-rah” for envy? How about a cheer for sloth? No? You’re kidding, right? After all, that homosexual kid down the street… you know, the one whose dad is president of the bank? Yeah, and her mother is a nurse practitioner at the hospital… yeah, THAT kid! You know her parents put a LOT of money in the collection plate! Oh, well, then homosexuality is OKAY!
Report Post »kenr1963
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:29pmThese perverts have been trying to go mainstream for decades and they have won!!But they’ll never go mainstream against the word of God.It‘s been a sin since the beggining and it’s still a sin today.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:28pmYes. You can be a born again Christian and still be homosexual just the same as you can be born again and still be an alcoholic, prostitute, drug abuser, or whatever sin you want to mention. The bigger question is can a Christian consider homosexuality to be consistent with God’s Word. The answer to that is, of course, no. I also believe that a true born again Christian will eventually come to recognize his sin and repent and ask the Holy Spirit to help him overcome it.
Remember folks, hate the sin but love the sinner. Please go easy in this thread. Christ taught love for all, though He also teaches to abhor sin.
Report Post »lemmings4obama
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:46pmVery good post.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:02pmTrollTrainer,
You’re a good cat.
If more Christians could be like you in the expression of their Faith the world (and America) would improve greatly. You almost always put humanity before dogma. That is the mark of a wise soul.
I salute you, Sir (I assume you‘re a sir and not a ma’am)
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:43pmJust accept that someone has faith..
that’s how Germany fell..
Pink Swastika 4th edition..
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:46pmYes. You can be a born again Christian and still be homosexual just the same as you can be born again and still be an alcoholic, prostitute, drug abuser, or whatever sin you want to mention.
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not unless the sinning stops.. Now go and commit no more sins..
remember..
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:08pm@Van:
So you don’t sin? Wow! I am impressed.
Report Post »Sassy4
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:10pmAmen, Trolltrainer. It is the repentance. That means you change your behavior. Can’t continue to practice any sin and still remain in a right relationship with Christ. He did says, “Go and sin no more.”
Report Post »It is sad that this young man and others have someone telling them lies. They feel better now, but what about eternity? God does love him, but He cannot allow the sin.
In HIS Grip,
Sassy4
red riding hood
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:39pmgood for you well said, God loves the sinner yet hates the sin, we are not judging anyone but we are called to be fruit inspectors. Does being a homosexual bear good fruit? NO God clearly states that this is the wrong lifestyle, you were NOT ‘born’ that way sorry, God makes no mistakes. Sodom and Gomrroah were destroyed for this very act, why do you think you can still practice this vile act? The sad thing is Lot said ‘here, take my virgin daughters’ so if those cities were destroyed for sin, what do you think God is going to do to the USA? We kill babies and say it is a woman’s choice, we are being forced to accept homosexuals as ‘normal’ and are even running the hen house! WHAT? I am sickened by this whole thing.
Report Post »Remnant
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 7:33pmEven Paul said: “For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it.” Rom 7:18
So I think the operative word is “practicing.” That is, willfully continuing in some particular sinful behavior. Even here, there may be honest attempts to “not practice” whatever unscriptural behavior is one’s “thorn in the side.”
So, while there is no way for me, or any Bible-believing Christian, to justify sin, the bottom line is that God alone knows the heart of a person.
As for me, I have concluded that my job as a Christian is to cooperate with God in the process of being conformed to the image and character of Christ. And it is God who does the conforming, and He uses ALL of our experiences as tools to get the job done. I think that’s awesome.
Report Post »AntiLiberal74
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:28pmIt’s possible. Just as it’s possible to be a successful private sector business owner and also be a Democrat….
Report Post »riverdog1
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:30pmhave to ask mr gates and buffet and about hundreds of thousands of others.
Report Post »VanGrungy
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:48pmprivate = shunning any and all government support..
hybrid = selling souls
public = buying souls…..
Report Post »NEAF
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:28pmNo!
Report Post »mizflame98
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:27pmApparently this is a Christian that never heard the story of Sodom and Gomorrah at the very least.
Report Post »the58thstate
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:27pmuh no!
Report Post »bumpside
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:25pmRead Romans 1. If you believe homosexuality is congruent with Christian faith then you are deluding yourself.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:08amShort answer No, long answer, Don’t make me laugh.
Report Post »fliteking
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:22pmWhen you read the article it seems as though this might be an effort to lead good Christians astray.
I think Jesus warned about this.
Report Post »Sassy4
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:12pmExactly!!!
Report Post »DoctorElwinRansom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:22pmCan You Be a Practicing Adulterer and a Christian?
Report Post »mizflame98
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:30pmIf you wish to be a Christian, give up adultery and atone for your sins. If Johnathan wish to be a Christian he needs to give up homosexuality and atone for his sins. If he can’t then stop calling himself a Christian.
Report Post »kenr1963
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:30pmAccording to the Bible NO!!!
Report Post »DoctorElwinRansom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:36pmThank you, MIZFLAME98 and KENR1963, great replies!
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:46pmJesus does not ask you to change your life and THEN come to Him! He wants you to come to Him dirty and broken. This is a stupid argument, the better question would be is homosexuality a sin. It is sin, just like any other sin. When you commit no sin yourselves you can condemn the gays.
I wonder if Johnathon has come to Christ? He may believe he is a Christian, but he may not be born again. If he is then the Holy Spirit will lead him out of his sin.
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:47pmCan you be a practicing ________ (fill in the blank with your own vice) and still be a Christian? At what point on the sin spectrum does one cease to become a Christian?
Report Post »proliance
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:10pm@Letusreason: Excellent point. A lot of the people on this site are quick to judge their fellow man.
All sins are not created equal, but they all can be forgiven. Say for instance someone attacks a grandmother on the street corner, steals the last money she has for a decent meal and puts her in the hospital. That person’s going to hell in a handbasket unless he is sincerely sorry, seeks forgiveness and makes up for his misdeed. He and God need to have a long talk.
But if a person walks out of the grocery store and forgets to pay for a pack of gum then he too has sinned, just on a much different level. It‘s safe to say he’s not condemned if he shrugs it off and says “oh well.”
Report Post »meetsense
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 7:16pmExcellent point. Just as in the discussions about the Norway murderer, the atheist media has tried to sell the ‘Christian Terrorist’ lie. As in ‘christian adulterer’ (or ‘christian homosexual’ or even a ‘christian liar’), it is an oxymoron – there is no such thing. Homosexual behavior is simply having ‘sex’ with your own sex. It’s nothing but about sex! Most men have close relationships with other men, they room together, etc. The exact same Bibical reasoning is applied to either hetoro or **** sex. It is expressly forbidden outside of ‘marriage’ by the creator, God Almighty – period. The fact that sodomy is an undeniable perversion of procreative sex is only yet another reason. God hates both. No fornicator will go to that place prepared for them that have diligently sought and were ‘faithful’ to Him. Homosexual or hetorosexual, i.e., there is no such thing as a ‘Christian fornicator’.
Report Post »DoctorElwinRansom
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:16pmI believe the key word here is “practicing”. I saw that as nonrepentant.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 8:17pmAt proliance.
That is simply not true. God doesn’t see shades of sin. You are either holy or you are not. There is no “sorta holy” category with Him.
You either admit your a sinner, ask for forgiveness, and accept the grace of Jesus Crist or you perish. That’s it, no more.
Once you accept that gift is when you need to start changing your life. Not because you are building a resume. We‘ve already said your resume can’t get you into heaven. You build a better life because you are worshiping God. If you really repent and really accept the idea of sinning really bothers your heart. I know it does me. It doesn‘t mean I don’t sin anymore. I do. It means I don’t like it and I want to change it to be more like Jesus and I need to fill myself with the holy spirit so that I have less room in my life to sin. You’ll never have the strength to not sin. But you can have the strength to have the holy spirit crowd out sin. That is where I’m trying to go on my walk with Christ right now. It ain’t easy, but at least I know I’m already saved. That part is done. Now I just need to get to work on myself and doing God’s work on earth.
And for many of you, that doesn’t mean you go around condemning people. You want to bring people to God? Throwing stones aint it. Try being a model and sharing your faith and allowing that to change people’s hearts rather than attacking them. The goal is the same, the method is not.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 4:50ammizflame98
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:30pm
If you wish to be a Christian, give up adultery and atone for your sins. If Johnathan wish to be a Christian he needs to give up homosexuality and atone for his sins. If he can’t then stop calling himself a Christian.
I guess Jesus suffered and for nothing? Tell me, how does one atone for his or her sin?
My Bible says that Jesus is our atonement for sin. Yes the homosexual needs to repent and turn away from sin, and believe that Christ died for the atonement of their sins.
Even wiki knows that,
Report Post »Atonement is a doctrine that describes how human beings can be reconciled to God.[1] In Christian theology the atonement refers to the forgiving or pardoning of sin through the death of Jesus Christ by crucifixion,[2] which made possible the reconciliation between God and creation.
Locked
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:28am@Meetsense
” Just as in the discussions about the Norway murderer, the atheist media has tried to sell the ‘Christian Terrorist’ lie.”
Just a sidenote, since you went completely off-topic…
There is no doubt that the shooter thought of himself as a Christian, and in his mind did what he did in an effort to reestablish Christendom. What he did was not “Christian” actions, but neither would most Muslims say that suicide bombings are proper Islamic actions. It’s bitter, but there’s also no doubt the Bible can be perverted to advocate violence; Christianity’s history is full of it, often advocated, supported, or allowed by God Himself.
Report Post »squonk1pb
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 10:44am@ Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Very well said. I agree 100%.
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 11:15ami agree with doc, i see practicing as unrepentative also. we all sin and will keep sinning, repent and sin no more. repeat as necessary. Repent is the Word!
Report Post »jacobstroubles
Posted on August 2, 2011 at 6:21pmJohnathan… you have been misled my friend.
Report Post »Stop your vile, filthy blaphomous homosexual behavior immediatley!
GOD loves you but hates the behavior! GOD is clear on this…do not listen to man.
Time is short Johnathan…
Sage0925
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 12:58amLet me reiterate…I am not gay. However, if the god of the Xtians was that upset about homosexuality, then why is it so prevalent amongst wolves, dolphins, geese, etc? I thank the Powers that I found Taoism. It’s a lot more tolerant of things that are different from the norm. Although, I still despise liberals,progressives and Democrats. Probably a failing of mine, but I’ll get over it.
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 3:14amSo, because a creature that will literally stick it in anything, including furniture, that makes it okay? I would prefer to believe that humans are at least somewhat superior to the animals. And about tolerance, I gave up on that when they pissed in my face and called it justice one too many times.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 5:25am@Sage0925
Alright there mr. broken record, here is a short answer for ya.
Report Post »God is not inviting animals to be His family forever.
God, The Creator of all things, makes the rules and is the Boss, the Father of his family. If one wants to be a part of God’s family then they must be cleansed of all that God proclaims as sin. Homosexuality is sin. That is the law. Don’t like the rules?…Don’t join the family. Don’t be adopted. Simple as that!
At great cost to The Father, He sent His Son to the cross to pay our sin debt in full. Once and for all. Eventhough Jesus was sinless. Sin debt requires a pure blood sacrifice for atonement and The Father’s own son gave it for all mankind. But that does not give license to continue to sin. I think that in itself shows great tolerance and love to mankind to sacrifice His only son for all of us sinners. Did you learn to be that tolerant in the “Powers that I found Taoism”?
Maybe try to find a new talking point. The queer animal thing is pretty lame and says nothing about the sin problem that is the topic of this discussion.
To discover how sin entered the world and the power it has over humans, try reading the Bible.
Now thats wisdom and power!
Tahriria4Life
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 9:28am@Rational Man
Also–when you accept Jesus into your heart, your are baptized from your sin–cleansed as it were from all your imperfections. Why is homosexuality an exception? Why is lying, cheating, hate, and blaspheming, murder, etc included, but homosexuality not?
On top of that, how do you know YOUR version of faith is the correct one? After the old Church got ahold of the bible, HOW MUCH of it was changed in order to control the populace? How much of your bible is the original true Word?
Now, I’m not saying that you are wrong to believe Homosexuals cannot be Christians. But if a homosexual believed s/he was, and they believed in Jesus and accepted him into his heart, who are you to judge? The choice is between them and GOD and no amount of hate from your heart is going to change that.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on August 3, 2011 at 1:12pm@Tahriria4Life
Don’t put words in my posts. The things you accuse me of are not found in my posts.
Report Post »The key point in all this is the word ‘practice’ in the question.
You can‘t ’practice‘ homosexuality and ’practice’ Christianity at the same time. It’s just that simple. Not as ‘simple’ as you are, but still pretty simple.
And if you don‘t want to play by God’s rules, then just go find yourself another game. But it will be the worst mistake you ever make. God says homosexuality is a sin that will keep you from everlasting life. God is not mocked……….Not even by you!!!
If ‘religion is just a game to you and you don’t like the rules of Christianity, then go find another ‘game’ to play. God is not changing the rules just for you!………………..