Canadian Baby ‘Rescued’ After Doctors Planned to Pull Breathing Tube
- Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:35am by
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A Canadian baby has been given the chance to live after a Catholic group secured his transfer to an American hospital on Monday.
13-month-old Joseph Maraachli was flown from Ontario, Canada to SSM Cardinal Glennon Children’s Medical Center in St. Louis, MO thanks to Fr. Frank Pavone and the group Priests for Life.
“Priests for Life staff toiled through the night for many nights, working in concert with dozens of people to make this possible,” Father Pavone said in a statement, calling the transfer a “rescue.”
“Now that we have won the battle against the medical bureaucracy in Canada, the real work of saving Baby Joseph can begin.”
Young Joseph’s parents had been fighting to have doctors insert a tracheotomy before discharging him with a terminally ill brain disease. Doctors refused, saying the procedure would not significantly improve Joseph’s chances of living. Joseph is currently on a respirator, and doctors originally wanted to remove the boy’s breathing tube at the hospital, while his parents wanted the boy sent home with the tracheotomy so he can die at home. A judge in Canada sided with the hospital. However, the hospital eventually agreed to have the boy’s tube removed at home, but it refused to perform a tracheotomy. That didn’t satisfy the parents, who wanted a second opinion.*
“The medical board overseeing his case is apparently convinced that giving proper care to ‘Baby Joseph’ is futile,” the website reads, according to Foxnews.com. “They don’t mean that the medical care won’t help him. They mean his life in its current condition isn’t worth the trouble.”
Jay Sekulow from the American Center for Law and Justice, which was retained by Joseph’s parents in their fight against the Canadian hospital, was overjoyed at the day’s developments.
“We’re extremely pleased that this hospital [in Missouri] — a leader in healthcare for children — has stepped forward to care for ‘Baby Joseph’ at such a critical time,” he said in a statement. “In representing the family’s interests in the U.S., we were able to assist in a number of vital areas – including assisting in the facilitation of the transfer of ‘Baby Joseph’ to the Missouri hospital as well as working to ensure there were no legal impediments in the transfer process. We’re delighted with the outcome of this complex effort which clears the way for the family to get the care and medical attention they need and deserve.”
Canada currently uses a form of socialized medicine called single-payer health care.
You can see more pictures from the transfer here.
*This paragraph has been updated to clarify some details.
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Pyx
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:35amQUOTE Young Joseph’s parents had been fighting to have doctors insert a tracheotomy before discharging him with a terminally ill brain disease. UNQUOTE
Prayers of comfort for his parents and prayers offered that the baby will fully recover from a terminal brain disease.
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:32amHAUSCHILD:
Report Post »There are only 2 things that make Obama cringe. When he doesn’t get his own way and when he is criticized. Death panels are part of his I Don’t Care About Your Heath Bill. I am happy for the child and his parents. Trying to turn loose of one’s child if there is the SLIGHTEST bit of hope is absolutely unimaginable to me and I know to most other people. God bless the family. I hope it works out for them.
hauschild
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:40amI agree.
My point about Obama “cringing” stems from the fact that this child was granted a stay of execution – meaning the progressive elitists whose job it is to make the decisions on who lives and dies – were overruled on this one.
We know how guys like Obama act when the “bitter clingers” get their way on certain things (think Ed Rendell on 60 minutes).
Report Post »CanDan
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:31amWhen Christians decide to make morality a requirement for government, then we will again be a life-affirming and child-loving nation and a model for the rest of the world to follow.
Report Post »fordfan
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:52pmVery very very very very true, CANDAN! So far I haven’t seen a single comment affirming the FACT that God WILL take care of this child in a merciful way, simply because he is a baby/young child….simply because he hasn’t had the opportunity to accept or deny his Savior.
Report Post »gator70
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:27amI understand the emotion behind this, but I will play devil’s advocate, is this boy terminal or not? Can he be saved or are we prolonging his life because his parents do not want to say goodbye? I would certianly like to know more of the details to understand why he must be kept alive. What’s the reasoning? I don’t want emotion, or politics, just facts.
Report Post »Dandylyon
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:42amYou may have a point,why don’t you look for it your self instead of insulting the intelligence of the people who belive that this was a good choice?
Not a very good disguise.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:45amThis is a glaring weakness of government provided health care. In any other circumstance, the parents get to make the ultimate decision.
I don‘t give a rat’s ass if he subject is terminal. What I do care about is parents being the ultimate judge with regards to their own children.
I don’t care how many worthless, lazy people get free health care as a result of this recent legislation because all of the supposed good it would do – combined – would not make up for one set of parents being told their child must die for the betterment of the “system”.
Report Post »gator70
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:07amDandylion, I was asking a simple question. How was that insulting? You are no better than liberals. You wrap yourself in emotion and refuse to look at things objectively. I was curious as to wether they thought this new hosptial might be able to help. I’d like to see the kid pull through. As someone who works in the healthcare system I know that many folks don’t keep people alive for the patients benefit, but for theirs. How is dragging this out going to help the parents in the long run if he can’t be saved? They are prolonging their own misery and sorrow not to mention the childs. Allowing a child to die, because he is going to die no matter what is not something that I feel is wrong. It’s natural and obviously gods will. If it wasn‘t God’s will he wouldn’t need machines to keep him alive. You might not like that, but that’s life. We all deal with it at one time or another.
Report Post »Edgar Bennet
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:17pm“How is dragging this out going to help the parents in the long run if he can’t be saved?”
We’re all dead in the long run
Report Post »MattPSU
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:51pmI’m glad someone on here is showing some sense. If this boy truly is terminal then someone needs to make some tough choices. We need to step away from the emotions on this one.
I had a friend go through a similar event with her baby before he died. His care cost millions and he suffered for a year before he died.
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 6:39pmas a father and a Canadian I agree that the decision should be made by the parents …..the doctors are consultants in this particular case as they feel they have nothing left in their expertise that will save the child. if the parents don’t like the treatment or the advisement offered then they have the right to choose what is best for the child. in another unrelated case a 16yr old girl refused blood transfusions which would save her life atleast in the short term ( due to religious convictions) she was court ordered to receive treatment( transfusions) because 1 parent did not agree with the religionshe eventually succumbed to the disease but not without having her religious views and convictions trampled by the courts and health care system . the problem here is the same – The freedom to choose . screw our healthsys and Obamacare god forbid your idiotic commy pres ever gets his way ……..30 yrs ago he would have been impeached already!
Report Post »timej31
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:27amWhen ObamaCare and the Fabian Socialist Democrats get their healthcare in place this will no longer be a safe haven for anyone.
Report Post »LifeProject2012
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:22amYou have to know Father Frank Pavone…
The Man Rocks…
Seriously…
If there ever was a man who made social conservative values an important part of life (in OUR Century) it is Father Frank…
Glenn and Father Frank really need to get together…
Report Post »Vicodumb
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:18amEvil shall not triumph. Thank you Priests For Life.
Report Post »MaggieRose
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:18amGod Bless baby Joseph and everyone involved in his rescue… I pray for his long and happy life
Report Post »georgiastampsguy
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:16amThe Canadian Government’s Single Payer Death Panels are the precursor to OBAMACARE Death Panels in the United States. Obama doesn’t care about the “Sanctity of Life”. He fully supports and is using our tax dollars to allow the killing of unborn children by Executive Order and pulling the plug on granny when she no longer contributes to society. REPEAL OBAMACARE NOW, BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE ! ! – REPEAL OBAMA ! !
Report Post »thankyouvets
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:28amcan someone tell me why we cant impeach obama? Isnt he disobeying the law overtly by not following the judges rulings on healthcare not being constitutional?
Report Post »TexasProgressive
Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:54am7 of 9 judges have UPHELD Obamacare…2 have shot it down. It will go to the Supreme Court.
Report Post »TexasProgressive
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:15amshocking Fox News only cites ‘the website’ as well…
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:26amTexasProgressive, CNN has yet to update the story. Maybe it‘s not important to them since it doesn’t fit their agenda of supporting Obamacare and single-payer healthcare.
Report Post »rc30
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:34pmI lived my life in Michigan tell feb of 2009. They ask a hospital across the river from Canada. In a city with the same views. I love my state and miss home very much. I didn’t move to West Texas because I love the desert. No I wasn’t broke and was doing good when I sold my company and moved. You want to see what progressive looks like in all its wonders. Move to Flint or Detroit and look what its done for the poor. That state you can’t say we had anything to do with it. Was all DEMS who made that what it is.
Report Post »MASSACHUSETTS MILITIA
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:14amAhh.. Government death panels… Coming soon to a medical facility near you.
Report Post »TexasProgressive
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:14amIt sounds awful but I am intrigued that the key quote in the article above is one from “The website” and provided through Fox News…seems sketchy and fits the talking point a little too well…
Report Post »exdem
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:37amI would gladly watch Obamacare pull YOUR life support. GO AWAY!!!
Report Post »MOTHERSMITH
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:48amWhy can’t you just be happy for this little boy and his family? An innocent life may be saved and you have to find fault with it all because a miniscule mention of Fox News. I know you are nothing more than a troll who looks for responses from people but good God, this is not the time!!!
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:08am@MOTHERSMITH
Report Post »Actually, Progressive makes a good point. The quote “The medical board overseeing his case is apparently convinced that giving proper care to ‘Baby Joseph’ is futile” implies that they are withholding treatment that would actually save the life of the patient. That is a damning quote accusing Canadian medical staff of outright murder. FoxNews not attributing that is a flat out insult and potential libel.
TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:19amTexasProgressive, MSNBC is reporting the baby “suffers from an unspecified neurodegenerative disease”. Should we believe it’s a “terminally ill brain disease” just because the Canadian doctors say it is?
Report Post »TexasProgressive
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:32amMother – I do feel terrible about what has happened to the family and I am not person politicizing it. My comments are directed to the political and, frankly, the journalistic side of this. I doubt highly that any representative of the Canadian healthcare system said, “its not worth helping him.” Also, FU for calling me a troll.
ExDem – blo@ me
Commonsense – Your point is absurd…WE shouldn’t be involved at all. If the parents want to take their boy to the US or the moon, its up to them.
Report Post »exdem
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:54amTEXASPROGRESSIVE is a troll
Report Post »Sittin in mamas basement
Smokin a bowl
Posting rude comments
Is his goal
Being a progressive
He has no soul
To everyone here
He’s a big @zzhole!
MOTHERSMITH
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:10pmOh boy, you sure revealed your true colors and intellect with using the “FU” term. You really showed me, my feeling are so very hurt (sarcasm implied). How enlightened and evolved you are. Good job on using your “big boy” words…………lol. Grow up and try again, troll.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:22pmTexasProgressive, you’re absolutely right in saying “If the parents want to take their boy to the US or the moon, its up to them”. Thank you for making my point. Most of all it shouldn’t be up to a government. These parents had to fight the Canadian government for their right to take the boy off their life support system and be able to take him to a private hospital in the United States.
Eventually, when you stop living with mom and dad, you’ll learn nothing is “free” in this world. Even it appears free, they are always strings attached. The Canadian government is taking tax money from its own citizens to pay for healthcare, and then telling them what they can and cannot do. That‘s exactly what I don’t want happening in the Untied States. I’ll pay my own bills, and together with my doctor, will make my own decision. I have that right and it should not be taken away.
Report Post »TexasProgressive
Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:27amMother Smith – I simply made a comment and you were the one that initiated the rude talk, so I shot down your point and gave you rude comment back. Be nice to me and I will be nice back ( I will even be nice FIRST)
ExDem – Bureau of Labor statistics says I am a top 3% earner in the US and most folks don’t have basements in Texas.
Report Post »dottygoat
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:11amThank you Jesus for the Priests For Life. God bless everyone of them. God Bless baby Joseph and his family. Never give up on our God! He is mighty!
Report Post »Wilma
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:05amAmen
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:07amBelievers: 1
Report Post »Whoever else: 0
PattyCakes4USA
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:01amIf this baby lives, it will will send a message that will be hard to deny about government run health care… pray baby Joseph survives. He could save us all from Obummer-care :)
Report Post »tlfunk
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:57amThis just makes my whole day! God is so good!
Report Post »workinghard
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:54amWhy would Obama cringe? He‘s not much of a fan of babies and he’s not really shy about saying it.
Report Post »arx
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 4:36pmI would agree with that. Obama would prefer babies being left to die without any medical care.At least when you stack it against the ‘undue burden’ giving medical care to the baby would place on the Dr. and mother.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:30pmUnless, maybe they’re his idea of “Capitol Punishment”! Really makes you pray for his daughters, doesn’t it? Someday they‘ll read these speeches of their father’s.
Report Post »CanDan
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:51amFr. Frank Pavone and the group Priests for Life
SSM Cardinal Glennon Children’s Medical Center in St. Louis, MO
Jay Sekulow from the American Center for Law and Justice
All the staffand caring people who toiled through the night for many nights, working in concert with dozens of people to make this possible
From this Canadian
Report Post »Thank You
klevalt
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:51amThis is one of the models for Obamacare…. there are several examples in this story alone, of our choice being removed… Isn’t that one of the BIGGEST arguments of the left, that they want to have a choice to take a life? What about our choice to save a life! i am thanking God for His divine intervention!
Report Post »tymarq
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:49amWhat if there was no american healthcare system to come too? Imagine doctors telling you when to pull the plug!!
Report Post »boogeo
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:37amImagine Insurance companies telling you when to pull the plug!! It happens every day in U.S. hospitals.
Report Post »White Ninja
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:20pm@BOOGEO
So you realize you‘re saying that we should go from our system to Canada’s system though right? No one disagrees that our system has it’s faults. But since the problems of having your healthcare decisions taken out of your hands are far greater in countries like Canada maybe we shouldn’t be moving toward THEIR system so much as going the way of easing state regulations on small business so they can purchase insurance at the same rates as large companies who are void or state regulations.
Report Post »boogeo
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 2:02pmThe insurance industry has done this to themselves. I don’t want Obama care either but the greed of a few companies has helped bring this on. Our health system itself is on life support.
Report Post »tommee
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 2:36pmYou should do a little more research before posting.
The parents of Baby Joseph, sought the medical opinion of physicians at the Children’s Hospital of Michigan in Detroit. Physician experts at the hospital wrote as follows: “we do not feel that we have anything to offer Joseph that has not already been given to him under your care” and “there is nothing that the Children’s Hospital of Michigan has to offer Joseph that has not already been done for him in Ontario”. Toronto’s Hospital For Sick Children was consulted and a leading physician there provided the expert opinion that, “tracheostomy and ventilation would be futile”.
Report Post »arx
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 4:31pm“greed of a few companies”….What the hell do companies exist for but for greed? It’s called capitalism. It worked for almost 200 years. Government involvement in healthcare IS the problem. Period. Use to be you could see a doctor just like a mechanic and not lose your house because of an illness. I’ll bet you have no idea why, and likely never will if you‘re still calling business’s ‘greedy’
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:21pm@boogeo
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:37am
Imagine Insurance companies telling you when to pull the plug!! It happens every day in U.S. hospitals.
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Report Post »With Legal Power of Attorney, I’m well acquainted with dealing with insurance companies, but so far, in America a Dr. and patient (or poa) can still fight that battle, it just takes time, and a Dr who’s willing, we lost one so dedicated Dr. already because our states laws were making it impossible to support his own family in OH, so he left for a better state. We still have some, though, and if I don’t like what a Dr, or Hosp. says, I can go elsewhere. Did that last spring when they wanted hospice, and he is doing awesomely better than the 6 months they gave him 1 yr later. Not only in remission, but a 10 yr old grandchild’s real encouragement and inspiration. If Obamacare had kicked in then, he probably would not have been able to simply go to another Dr.. God has been good to us, but He also permits caring Drs to assist in His miracles sometimes!!
boogeo
Posted on March 15, 2011 at 9:13amarx
“greed of a few companies”….What the hell do companies exist for but for greed? It’s called capitalism. It worked for almost 200 years. Government involvement in healthcare IS the problem. Period. Use to be you could see a doctor just like a mechanic and not lose your house because of an illness. I’ll bet you have no idea why, and likely never will if you‘re still calling business’s ‘greedy’ It was the Bad Government that created the middle class after WWII with the G.I. BILL. Until then the middle class was non existent. I guess we could all go back to the good ole days you talk about and trade a chicken for a 40 year old life expectancy. You seem to have simple answers for a complex system. I like your condescending attitude about my knowledge of the problem.
Report Post »In.Spite.of.Myself
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:48amWhat happens when someone else decides what is best for you and yours.
Report Post »boogeo
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:30amInsurance company’s make that decision for me everyday. Every time I go to the doctor I have to get approval.
Report Post »White Ninja
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:56pmThere IS a difference between pulling the money and pulling the plug.
doogan
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 3:50pmMedicare in the U.S., already decides what is best for you and yours. They already tell Doctors/you and me what they will pay for and what they won’t. They deny coverage all the time. Government needs to get out of the healthcare business. Decisions should be made between you and your doctor. I reference to the family, they should be allowed to make the decision to take their child home with them, it should not be decided by the courts/big brother.
Report Post »poverty.sucks
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:47amBunch of socialist morons eh?
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:46amBaby Joseph rescued from the Canadian death panel. Yet another stark examples of the differences between single-payer health care and the best healthcare system in the world, here in the United States? I can’t wait to see what the liberal troll have to say about this article. I’m sure the silence will be deafening.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:05amIt‘s a vintage play from the Progressive’s playbook – Pull the plug on Granny and the invalid.
For every one of these “feel good” stories, there’s probably 100 horror stories.
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:56am@TexasCommonSense
Every article I’ve seen on this refers to a “terminally ill brain disease”
When this is the diagnosis, where does the line get drawn between treating the patient in hopes of saving them to refusing to accept reality?
Call me a cynic, but if we hear that they throw everything at this kid until even the machines won’t keep the organs functioning, I’m going to wonder what the true motivation is.
@hauschild
Report Post »As someone who grew up with an inside view of the Canadian health care system (my mother worked in it for 30 years) I’ll tell you, the horror stories are actually few and far between. Most of the stories, are people thanking the health care workers for doing everything they could and treating the family with respect and intelligence.
encinom
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:07amThe difference between Canada and US, in Canada, doctors famliar with the illness and treatment, realizing that there is no hope sought an painless end, in the US, if it wasn;t for the politiclal angle, a insurance company worker, from a directive from the corporate offices in NY would simply cut the coverage for the family.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:09ammoriarty70, I say we give hospital in Missouri a chance since they are willing. If it were your child wouldn’t you at least want that?
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:09amMoriarty70:
I’ll take that bet.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:17ammoriarty70, MSNBC is reporting the baby “suffers from an unspecified neurodegenerative disease”. Should we believe it’s a “terminally ill brain disease” just because the Canadian doctors say it is?
Report Post »encinom
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:28amTexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:17am
moriarty70, MSNBC is reporting the baby “suffers from an unspecified neurodegenerative disease”. Should we believe it’s a “terminally ill brain disease” just because the Canadian doctors say it is?
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Why should we believe the doctors, I mean we should find the nearest priest or witch doctor, they know more about the condiction than a medical doctor. Lets let this child suffer, while we can make political points to deny healthcare to Americans.
Report Post »moriarty70
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:36am@TexasCommonSense
One, I know the regard most of thise site holds MSNBC in, makes it kind of funny to cite them, espically when they have no access to a paitents records. Two, I know how Canadian doctors use different language to communicate to the public or patients with little medical background, so I trust their assessment.
So you can understand why I trust them so easily, I just recently had family go trough an intensive round at the hospital, in Ontario, and they gave us a simplified but accurate discription before they knew we understood the proper terms, being around the system my whole life.
Report Post »audiemurphy
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:48amcmon people as a big Glenn beck fan this is one story on the Blaze I feel is too politicised and one sided for the purpose of pointing out Obamacare concerns. lets hear the doctors side – not Canadian gov or any other self interest group just the doctors who cared for this child- then let’s make informed commentary.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:20pmencinom, no one said anything about a with doctor except you. It’s called a second opinion. In this case they’re seeking a second opinion from a doctor in a private hospital in the United States, and they should have every right to do so. If the life of your child was at stake, I would like to think you would do everything possible to save their life. Then again, I really don’t know what kind of person you are. Maybe you wouldn’t.
Report Post »White Ninja
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:51pm@Moriarty70
I think the real point is that the choice should be with the parents. Not anyone else. The doctor’s job should just be to lay out the options and advise. Watching your baby behind glass after the hell you go through to get them here is hard enough without having no control over their treatment. I dont really care how “futile” the treatment may seem to anyone else it should be left up to the parents. That’s the problem with making individual health a matter of public interest.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:30pmmoriarty70, most people consider it fair to opposing views. MSNBC is certainly an opposing view.
Canadian doctors can use what every language they choose. The parents still have the right to seek a second opinion, even if that opinion is in a different country. It’s too bad these parents and to fight the medical bureaucracy in Canada to have this basic right. That’s what you get with big government, you lose the right to choose for yourself.
I pretty sure if you were Joseph Maraachli you would see things differently than you do.
Report Post »tommee
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:53pmHey TEXASCOMMONSENSE
You say, “Baby Joseph rescued from the Canadian death panel.” There was no death paned. The baby WILL DIE soon because of his illness.
The baby‘s medical records were sent to Children’s Hospital of Michigan. After review of the records the hospital refused to admit the baby. There was nothing they could do.
Report Post »tommee
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 2:27pmHey TEXASCOMMONSENSE
For your information:
The parents of Baby Joseph, (not LHSC), sought the medical opinion of physicians at the Children’s Hospital of Michigan in Detroit. Physician experts at the hospital wrote as follows: “we do not feel that we have anything to offer Joseph that has not already been given to him under your care” and “there is nothing that the Children’s Hospital of Michigan has to offer Joseph that has not already been done for him in Ontario”. Toronto’s Hospital For Sick Children was consulted and a leading physician there provided the expert opinion that, “tracheostomy and ventilation would be futile”.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 8:19pmtommee, my point is they should have the option to pursue what they feel is right without big government telling them they can’t. If they‘re coming to a US hospital the Canadian government won’t have to pay for it. So why did they have to fight their own government so hard?
I’m glad you trust big government so much. I choose self-reliance instead.
Report Post »tommee
Posted on March 15, 2011 at 6:08am@ TEXASCOMMONSENSE
The Canadian government has nothing to do with the decisions made by the doctors of the London and Detroit hospitals. The doctors made decisions they thought were in the best interest of the child.
You are writing under the myth that the Canadian government has a say in what the doctors do. This is a complete fallacy. In Canada, doctors are in private businesses to make money for their services. The sole purpose of the government run insurance is to pay the bills. That’s it! No death panels or the government telling what doctors can or can’t do.
It‘s unfortunate misinformation about Canada’s national health insurance program is so prevalent in the minds of people like you. If you actually took the time to find out about how it really works, you might have a change of opinion and stop the nonsense talk about the baby Joseph situation and Canada’s national health insurance.
Report Post »colascguy
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:45amGreat news. It will be ironinc if this baby has been misdiagnosed and survive to live a long healthy life.
Report Post »TexasCommonSense
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:49amcolascguy, I certainly hope that’s the case.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:19amAman and it is my prayer that God heals this baby and he will become a healthy normal child,I know God can do it
Report Post »tommee
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 2:34pmI doubt it.
The parents of Baby Joseph, sought the medical opinion of physicians at the Children’s Hospital of Michigan in Detroit. Physician experts at the hospital wrote as follows: “we do not feel that we have anything to offer Joseph that has not already been given to him under your care” and “there is nothing that the Children’s Hospital of Michigan has to offer Joseph that has not already been done for him in Ontario”. Toronto’s Hospital For Sick Children was consulted and a leading physician there provided the expert opinion that, “tracheostomy and ventilation would be futile”.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:39amThis story probably makes Obama cringe.
Report Post »912828Buckeye
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:52amHAUSCHILD
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:39am
This story probably makes Obama cringe.
Not a chance.
Report Post »Stoic one
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:54ambehind closed doors he probably said YES!
Report Post »it works
AzDebi
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:58am“Now that we have won the battle against the medical bureaucracy in Canada, the real work of saving Baby Joseph can begin.”
“Father Pavone said Baby Joseph’s transfer was accomplished through the efforts of a number of people, including TERI SCHIAVO LIFE & HOPE NETWORK…who have been consistent and heroic in their advocacy for Baby Joseph and for all the vulnerable.”
Baby Joseph needs to become the “Poster Child” here in America against the evils of Obamacare! He simply needed to be in a hospital that cherishes life over the bottom line.!
Report Post »psst
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:02amCringe? That’s putting it mildly. Soetoro is spitting mad right now. Intense conniption attack.
Report Post »I heard he even threathened to put on one of those Moslem style jacket thingy designed by Mohammad Armani
Well you can read between the lines for, as the late great Paul Harvey used to say.“The rest of the story”
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:12amHauschild; if it makes Obama and the others cringe and cower, fine by me.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:34amAZDEBI, I agree 100% on that point! I wonder if the parents would agree to something like that? Bless all the people that made this happen and my prayers will include both parents and child.
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 10:41amApparently in Canada the hippocratic oath is a complete joke. And the judge who ruled that it’s OK to remove a feeding tube and kill this child despite the parents begging to spare his life? I hope he likes it warm.
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:23amThings are not always what they seem and I must say the Blaze has not done their job on this story and is feeding into the media frenzy!
Report Post »Regarding Baby Joseph
The parents DO have the final say with the child, but that does not guarantee the right decision will be made .
I have personally followed this story and do not find fault with the Doctors in this case! They tried to keep things sane and do what is best for Joseph’s quality of life! Let the child die with dignity! This child is in a vegetative state and has NO chance of living. He was on life support and only lives through a machine. This is the second child to which this has occurred in the same family. Their first child was given a tracheotomy in order for the child to be transported home to die. The Doctors have decided that they will not do the same procedure for this child. The parents have now turned this into a media circus. Prolonging the life of a human for ones own selfish reasons whether for self perceived good or just plain ignorance, well, is just plane selfishness in the end! Let him rest in peace! They will see him again under much better circumstances, God willing.
abc
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:34amThis is an example of why conservatives are hypocrites. On the one hand, they claim that they care about budget deficits and economic competitiveness. But on the other hand, they assert that doctors and hospitals are not allowed to limit costs by refusing to do procedures that will not lengthen or enhance quality of life for end-of-life cases. Instead, they spin this story as though a chance at a longer life were denied this child. Nothing is further from the truth.
Meanwhile, the other big lie told by conservatives is that the only rationalization is occurring under socialist European systems or under Obamacare, as opposed to the private market driven system we have now. This is not true. In a world in which we overspend on health care in order to drive profits at Merck or J&J, we price many people out of the market entirely, yet conservatives are never out there protesting when poor people are denied those same procedures. Apparently, conservatives only care about the rich and their right to overspend as much as they want. And because conservatives are anti-science, they do not understand the idea that overspending doesn’t lead to better outcomes.
It is time for conservatives to be called out for their hypocrisy, callousness toward poorer individuals suffering under a market driven system. it is also time for them to learn a little bit of health care economics and statistics. Their hypocrisy and insensitivity is rivalled only by their ignorance.
Edgar Bennet
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:47am“And because conservatives are anti-science, they do not understand the idea that overspending doesn’t lead to better outcomes. ”
Talk about irony
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:52amthis type of thing happens in canada on a regular basis. you don’t want to old and sick in some parts of this country.
Report Post »abc
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:17pmEdgar, are you that uninformed? There is zero statistical correlation between amounts spent and medical outcomes, but conservatives keep insisting otherwise. Only people who don’t understand statistics can be this dense.
Report Post »democratgirl
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:20pmabc:
Report Post »Mmmmmm….is it MAN’S duty to end life or sustain life? And, do not be a hypocrite yourself and say that IT DEPENDS. God giveth and God taketh away. If man would only allow God to control these types of issues, I believe it would turn out better. In this case, anytime a socialist medical entity, such as the one in Canada, applies too much money in caring for a patient (believe me, they have standards of operation and limits imposed on them by their boards), money ALWAYS usurps authority over the life of the patient. THAT IS SOCIALISTIC MEDICINE. Do your homework on Canada’s healthcare system and what their RULES are. Most of you have no clue the difference between doctors running the healthcare and a government running it. Just look at our own bloated government. It is NOT the patient that counts. It’s the dollar amount. BRAVO to those people who transferred that baby. GOD IS IN CONTROL. I do NOT believe in coincidence. To me, this was a GOD THING.
RJO
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:22pmAmazing… The individuals who play God in who lives and who dies. Such selfish arrogance…and no wonder we have the “social” ills that we have. Transfer the cold-heartless “better dead” attitude to another “real life” situation. A fire breaks out in a home overnight. 4 children are sleeping in their rooms. Firefighters arrive on the scene. There is a chance to rescue the children and save their lives….ohhh, but wait….what if they have severe burns over 50% of their bodies, or they somehow lose there ability to see or hear due to the effects of the fire. Why risk others lives. The children would be miserable anyway. Let them burn. They would be better off…saving them all of that suffering. Advance this mentality to the physically and mentally handicapped of our society. Imagine the money that we could save and we would end the “terrible existence” of these lives.
This kind of thinking through world history has led to the most horrible events of that history. We are being told that human life does not have innate value…..it has subjective value…determined by “someone else.”
Mother Teresa had the exact opposite point of view. She was revered….at least by those who understood. For those who did not…she was mocked and ridiculed. We are well on our way down the proverbial “slippery slope.”
Report Post »restorehope
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:34pmAnd Obamacare will be bringing this type of heartache to our citizens as well. Why does the Canadian healthcare system think they can play God? Let the child go to heaven when God calls him and not a minute before. To callously pull the plug and let the baby die is a sign of the deterioration of human values, compassion, and decency all in the name of saving money. Thank goodness (and thank God) for that St. Louis hospital and the Catholic good samaritans.
Report Post »GrannyATL
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 12:40pmJBLAZE said s/he knows the whole story. Well…….seems s/he left out a very important point.
S/he said: “This is the second child to which this has occurred in the same family. Their first child was given a tracheotomy in order for the child to be transported home to die. The Doctors have decided that they will not do the same procedure for this child. The parents have now turned this into a media circus. Prolonging the life of a human for ones own selfish reasons whether for self perceived good or just plain ignorance, well, is just plane selfishness in the end!”
I have been following this, too, and am a member of Priests For Life. They have been giving regular updates on this tragedy. (www.priestsforlife.org) Last week they disclosed that the Canadian hospitals had stonewalled the parents by refusing to give them a copy of Baby Joseph’s medical records, which is against the law. The Priests for Life have had medical teams ready for weeks to transport this baby to America, but without the medical records they could not proceed.
Yes, there was a second child with the same disease. She was given the tracheotomy and allowed to die at home. The parents loved her for six more months after she left the hospital and want the same ability to bring Joseph home and nurture him until God decides its time to die.
He is on a respirator at the hospital and they wanted to remove it there, which would have caused the baby to gasp and choke before he died — a very painful and frightening experience. The parents simply asked that he be given the tracheotomy in order that they could care for him at home, but the hospital refused. They took the couple to court and received a court order to pull him off the respirator. That is when they went to the media. They only wanted the right to let the baby die quietly in their arms rather than by writhing in fear as the respirator was removed in the hospital.
Neither you, JBLAZE or ABC, understand the true pro-life position. You call it selfishness to prolong life when it has no benefit. ABC calls it hypocrisy. Both can’t be further from the truth.
A true pro-life position holds that we don’t have the right to facilitate the death of anyone (born or unborn). God alone makes that decision and this couple is willing to care for and love this baby until God decides it is his time to die. If that means they care for him for two days or two years, it does not matter. These parents are ready to make that sacrifice — willingly make that sacrifice.
And the government-run medical community has no right to deny them that privilege.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:05pm@ABC
“This is an example of why conservatives are hypocrites. On the one hand, they claim that they care about budget deficits and economic competitiveness. But on the other hand, they assert that doctors and hospitals are not allowed to limit costs by refusing to do procedures that will not lengthen or enhance quality of life for end-of-life cases. Instead, they spin this story as though a chance at a longer life were denied this child. Nothing is further from the truth.”
Not “doctors and hospitals”, rather, single payer socialized medicine. Thus, no hypocrisy on this point.
“Meanwhile, the other big lie told by conservatives is that the only rationalization is occurring under socialist European systems or under Obamacare, as opposed to the private market driven system we have now. This is not true.”
Distortion of facts actually. Things like this may well happen here, however, we’re nearly 50% government socialized medicine now, today.
“In a world in which we overspend on health care in order to drive profits at Merck or J&J, we price many people out of the market entirely,”
Why yes ABC, when my mother in law was diagnosed with brain cancer, we went out and overspent in order to help Merck and J&J. Silly us.
“yet conservatives are never out there protesting when poor people are denied those same procedures.”
That’s because conservatives, by and large, are huge donators to private charities, many of which help the poor with medical care and services. They also, get this, start their own charities or volunteer time in service of others, all on their own. So in a way you’re correct, they’re not out “protesting” because as it happens, protesting doesn’t do squat.
“Apparently, conservatives only care about the rich and their right to overspend as much as they want. And because conservatives are anti-science, they do not understand the idea that overspending doesn’t lead to better outcomes….blah blah blah”
LOL! Ad hominem much guy? Get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning I take it?
Report Post »abc
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:10pmGirl,
“Mmmmmm….is it MAN’S duty to end life or sustain life?”
Not sure about duty, but man has done much to invent means of ending and sustaining life. We invent arms and we invent medicine.
“And, do not be a hypocrite yourself and say that IT DEPENDS.”
Saying “it depends” doesn’t make one a hypocrite necessarily. Only weak minds would think otherwise.
“God giveth and God taketh away.”
This says nothing. Nature giveth and nature taketh away. Fate giveth and fate taketh away. Substitute whatever mysterious force you want, but it is not an explanation that is useful. If you don’t see this, then you are not very thoughtful.
“If man would only allow God to control these types of issues, I believe it would turn out better.”
So I’ll let the kid drown in the pool without making an effort to save, since God, according to your view, is powerful enough to save the kid himself. This “allow God” nonsense is exactly that. What does it mean?
“In this case, anytime a socialist medical entity, such as the one in Canada, applies too much money in caring for a patient (believe me, they have standards of operation and limits imposed on them by their boards), money ALWAYS usurps authority over the life of the patient. THAT IS SOCIALISTIC MEDICINE.”
First, Canada’s system is bad since they ration care, meaning that they spend too little, now you are saying that they spend too much. How about putting together some data in dollars and cents, so we know that you know what you are talking about. Hint, hint: they spend less than us and get better outcomes generally speaking.
“Do your homework on Canada’s healthcare system and what their RULES are. Most of you have no clue the difference between doctors running the healthcare and a government running it.”
How about you do your homework and learn what the cost and outcomes are? That is how a health care system is to be judged. On results.
“Just look at our own bloated government.”
How do you know it’s bloated? Give me data, not rhetoric.
“It is NOT the patient that counts. It’s the dollar amount.”
Under our market driven system? Of course. That is how it works. You are a target market for Pfizer and Genentech to make money. Nothing more. THat‘s why they don’t reveal to you the adverse studies but only the ones that help sell their products. Do you really think that market-driven companies care about you more than the government. Hint, hint: they both do not care about you, but the companies stand to make a lot more by duping you, so their incentives are the more dangerous ones.
“BRAVO to those people who transferred that baby.”
Why? Tracheotomy versus respirator. Which one gives the baby a longer life? Do you even know?
“GOD IS IN CONTROL.”
God doesn’t exist.
“I do NOT believe in coincidence. To me, this was a GOD THING.”
Yes. God must have given that baby that incurable disease. If you believe that, then you must hate your God.
Report Post »tommee
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:45pmHey DEMOCRATGIRL
If baby Joseph life were in God’s hands, he would have been dead long ago. The doctors have been keeping him alive.
You say, “THAT IS SOCIALISTIC MEDICINE. Do your homework on Canada’s healthcare system and what their RULES are. Most of you have no clue the difference between doctors running the healthcare and a government running it.”
You are mistaken. In Canada, doctors are in private business to earn a profit. The government has no say in a doctor,s decision. The government just pays the bills.
Report Post »patriotmom
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 1:48pm@ghostofjefferson
“yet conservatives are never out there protesting when poor people are denied those same procedures.”
That’s because conservatives, by and large, are huge donators to private charities, many of which help the poor with medical care and services. They also, get this, start their own charities or volunteer time in service of others, all on their own. So in a way you’re correct, they’re not out “protesting” because as it happens, protesting doesn’t do squat.
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Bravo!!
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 2:43pmI think someone hi-jacked ABC’s account. He usually is more well thought out and coherent on issues. This sounds more like a loony lefty than the ABC I have come to recognize. That is difficult to even respond to all that convoluted reasoning. Many false assertions, assumptions, and conclusions in those retorts. It is a question of do you even attempt to reply, rather than where to begin when someone’s reasoning is so far of base of reality.
Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
Albert Einstein
‘Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that’s creativity.’
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right-wing-waco
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 4:00pmI just hope that all the medical care is not in vane. Lets all hope that the Doctors can give this beautiful baby a normal life.
Report Post »arx
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 4:06pmYou democrats want violence? You will get plenty when, under Obamacare, doctors and bureacrats start telling dads they are forcing their children‘s death according to their gov’t timetable.
Report Post »G.W. Dobbs
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 4:21pmWait three years, after Obama is re-elected, and watch the Elderly “Useless Eaters” die because they don’t deserve to live in OBAMACARE.
Report Post »Blacktooth
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 5:49pmWatchtheotherhand said,
That is difficult to even respond to all that convoluted reasoning. Many false assertions, assumptions, and conclusions in those retorts. It is a question of do you even attempt to reply, rather than where to begin when someone’s reasoning is so far of base of reality.
Many times I would like to respond to a comment but I also refrain for the exact reason you just gave. You stated it well.
Let us try to keep our comments accurate, brief and to the point. Too many words just make comments hard to follow.
Report Post »hifi74
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 6:55pmABC,
First that would be rationing not rationalization you rube. Second, you have no problem condemning an innocent child to death but the death penalty for a convicted killer is out of the question??? Who’s the hypocrite? Tell ya what, when you decide to go to the big boy store and get a clue then maybe you can come back and try again. Until then, run along and let the grown-ups have their talk.
Report Post »teachermitch32
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 6:56pmABC (soup):
You said: “And because conservatives are anti-science, they do not understand the idea that overspending doesn’t lead to better outcomes.”
I say: And because liberals are anti-intelligent, they do not understand the idea that overspending in our “public schrool systems” doesn’t lead to better outcomes.
Report Post »waggie
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 8:09pmThis story is EXACTLY why we don’t want socialized healthcare in the U.S.!
Report Post »Lucy Larue
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 8:47pmHAUSCHILD,
Report Post »You mean the President Barry Dunham, who when he was an Illinois State Senator cast the deciding vote allowing Partial Birth Abortion, him?
Trust me…,he’s cringing.
I do not know what country Baby Joseph’s family is from originally…,I DO know that the Father is a good,good,man with wisdom that Barry will never have.
My post to God’s ear….,live a long life Baby Joseph, a long life!
Mil Mom
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:15pm@jblaze
Report Post »Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:23am
Things are not always what they seem and I must say the Blaze has not done their job on this story and is feeding into the media frenzy!
Regarding Baby Joseph
The parents DO have the final say with the child, but that does not guarantee the right decision will be made .
I have personally followed this story and do not find fault with the Doctors in this case! They tried to keep things sane and do what is best for Joseph’s quality of life! Let the child die with dignity! This child is in a vegetative state and has NO chance of living.
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Mil Mom
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:33pm@abc
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 11:34am
This is an example of why conservatives are hypocrites. On the one hand, they claim that they care about budget deficits and economic competitiveness. But on the other hand, they assert that doctors and hospitals are not allowed to limit costs by refusing to do procedures that will not lengthen or enhance quality of life for end-of-life cases. Instead, they spin this story as though a chance at a longer life were denied this child. Nothing is further from the truth.
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Report Post »Dear Already
Been
Corrupted,
Nothing at all about the Conservative stand, I know you read enough news articles and comments to realize that Conservatives are NOTHING BUT CONSISTANT!!! THE VALUE OF HUMAN LIFE, TRUMPS ALL!!!! You see what you want to see, and ignore everything else; does Move On pay more for each time you speak out against common sense, or is it against the value of life? If you’d let Him, the Savior would apply His death to the purchase price to buy your soul back, and you could join with us to celebrate His Joyous Resurrection next month. In the meantime borrow a Bible from some Right Wing Fanatic and read the stories of Jesus healing Jairus’ daughter in Matt.9:23-26. ** What’s really incongruent about this story is skeptics have always maintained that the child was simply in a coma and not dead. Yet today’s anti-life medical community would maintain that all people who are near-comatose, are brain dead? *** (( Can’t have it BOTH ways!!! ))
Mil Mom
Posted on March 14, 2011 at 9:57pm@already
beyond
credibility,
Under our market driven system? Of course. That is how it works. You are a target market for Pfizer and Genentech to make money. Nothing more. THat‘s why they don’t reveal to you the adverse studies but only the ones that help sell their products. Do you really think that market-driven companies care about you more than the government. Hint, hint: they both do not care about you, but the companies stand to make a lot more by duping you, so their incentives are the more dangerous ones.
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Report Post »Do you ever read the little leaflet that healthcare laws require pharmacists to give with prescriptions? Did you ever see a little book called the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) most pharmacies sell them?
In both instances if you look under the name of the medication, you’ll find a listing for “Known side effects, usually with subheads of Common Side Effects, and Seldom Seen but Serious Sde Effects.
In these listings they mention the rate of occurences in test groups. THESE ARE THE ADVERSE STUDIES YOU TALK ABOUT !!! (YOU COULD PROBABLY FIND THEM WITH A GOOGLE SEARCH OF THE MEDICINE’S NAME!!!)
((For the record I’ve never worked for a Pharmacy or Drug Maker, (Though I did do some Patient Advocate Research as a trainee with my Cancer Society Advocate.) I learned as a wife, mother, and patient, it pays to check these out. Sometimes a medical professional will discount a condition which is under control, but aggravated by a particular medication. Maybe everyone should read these things from time to time.))
avenger
Posted on March 15, 2011 at 6:28amit also makes the planned parented hood vampires cringe….
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on March 15, 2011 at 8:33amGRANNYATL
Report Post »You are wrong! Only Jesus Christ holds the keys to Hell and Death! Rev.18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL and of DEATH.
Neither you nor your little group holds this power! You blaspheme the Lord with your self-righteousness and lack of Biblical wisdom! You dishonor God by your arrogance toward His power and His plan for each and every human that has breathed the breath of life! Joseph‘s life and death is in God’s hands!
jackrorabbit
Posted on March 15, 2011 at 1:24pmGlad to see that compassion has trumped bureaucratism, at least for the moment.
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on March 16, 2011 at 2:36pmMIL MOM
Report Post »There is hypocrisy in your reasoning! Jesus Christ raised Lazarus after he was dead and in the grave 3 days! You limit Gods power by believing that through your human interference, it will be you and/or others who saves this child! If you have the faith that is required to move mountains you and/or others would leave this in Gods hands! Pray yes, but for His will to be done, not yours! If you are truly serious about the miracles of God and His power you would trust fully in Him and not on yourself. When the breath of life leaves our mortal bodies we are dead until a resurrection! The Childs life is being sustained by a machine, not by God! Truly stop play GOD and degrading life!