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Cardinal Dolan Calls Obama‘s Attempt to Define ’Ministry’: ‘Radical,’ & ‘Dramatically Intrusive’

It’s been a rough few months for relations between the Obama administration and the Catholic Church. The contraceptive mandate has taken already strained relations to new depths, as Catholic leaders have openly lamented the government’s demand that they violate conscience to fall in line with new health care regulations. In an interview with The Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto, Cardinal Timothy Dolan held little back.

Cardinal Dolan Calls Obamas Attempt to Define Ministry: Radical, Unprecedented & Dramatically Intrusive

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Dolan, who met with Obama back in Nov. 2011, claims that the president promised to respect the Catholic Church’s right to conscience. Following this conversation, the archbishop of New York claims that he and other leaders were dumbfounded to find out that the mandate would still stand.

(Related: ‘Religious Freedom Violations’: These Are the Obama Admin‘s Contraceptive Mandate ’Concessions’)

“So you can imagine the chagrin when he called me at the end of January to say that the mandates remain in place and that there would be no substantive change, and that the only thing that he could offer me was that we would have until August,” Dolan explained. “I said, ‘Mr. President, I appreciate the call. Are you saying now that we have until August to introduce to you continual concerns that might trigger a substantive mitigation in these mandates?’ He said, ‘No, the mandates remain. We‘re more or less giving you this time to find out how you’re going to be able to comply.’”

Dolan says he was quick to tell Obama that the Catholic Church would not need any extra time, as it would be “unable to comply” at any time due to religious limitations. Overall, Dolan dubs the mandate as “morally toxic.”

Cardinal Dolan Calls Obamas Attempt to Define Ministry: Radical, Unprecedented & Dramatically Intrusive

“We find it completely unswallowable, both as Catholics and mostly as Americans, that a bureau of the American government would take it upon itself to define ‘ministry,’” he continued. “We would find that to be — we‘ve used the words ’radical,‘ ’unprecedented‘ and ’dramatically intrusive.’”

As for the argument that many, like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, have offered — that many Catholics don’t observe official teachings on social issues — Dolan weighed in with honesty on the matter. When asked if the Church has a problem conveying its moral principles to its adherents, the cardinal admitted, with a laugh, “Do we ever!”

“I’m not afraid to admit that we have an internal catechetical challenge—a towering one—in convincing our own people of the moral beauty and coherence of what we teach. That’s a biggie,” he said. ”[Catholic leaders] have gotten gun-shy…in speaking with any amount of cogency on chastity and sexual morality.”

You can read more here from the WSJ’s interview with Dolan.

(H/T: The Gateway Pundit)

Comments (134)

  • NewLife56
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:34am

    WHAT?? Is he talking about our Beloved President who is a Christian, and loves Israel???

    Sarcasium is heavy on this one :-)

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:21am

      I’ve always thought Dolan was a Progressive, but maybe he’s getting it handed back to him.

      In any case, it sure sounds like Dolan just told the President, “I WILL NOT COMPLY.”

      How do ya like them apples?

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    • Red Meat
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:57am

      Dolan and the Roman Catholic clergy in general forced me to embrace orthodox Catholicism. The Roman Catholic church has become a progressive joke. Why hasn’t Nancy Pelosi and her ilk been excommunicated?

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    • spotcoon
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:36pm

      54% of Catholics couldn’t get enough obama. So, THEY elected him——-Now he (obama) tells them “Pound Eucharistic Sand !”

      Can you finally see the damage you’ve caused this country?

      Thanx, AGAIN !

      Get used to seeing this post—-It’s meant to “inspire”.

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    • raff73
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:14pm

      You show respect to the office of Cardinal by addressing the correct title:CARDINAL Dolan.

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    • Gatekeeper
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 2:33pm

      Israel is a secular state. Not the same Israel in the bible.

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    • Free2speakRN
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 3:04pm

      RED MEAT,

      The public politicians who try to push and foster abortions as a ‘fine to do’, ie. not trying to keep them to as little to none as possible, are automatically excommunicated by their own actions. As Catholics we are bound by a dogma consisting of the ‘freedom’ of ‘not being able to condemn anyone’. Yet we can see a wrong if it is obvious. If we are not free of ‘mortal sin’, and receive Communion, we do even more damage to our soul. God knows the heart.

      Pelosi may actually be ‘insane’. If she isn’t insane and is receiving Holy Communion, with what we see, she is excommunicated ‘by her own hand’, so to speak. I think Sebelius was refused. Something went on for a year with her Bishop. I don’t think she is receiving Holy Communion. Look it up. I don’t want to slander. She certainly has a stone face. Things may get more public with the new ‘changes’ the president is doing for our own good.

      We ‘all’ won’t get away with a thing. If we get to Heaven, we do have to jump into the ‘Consuming Fire’ Who is ‘God’. It’s going to more than sting. Love your enemies. The sting won’t be as bad in that way. Besides, Hate clouds your judgement.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 4:49pm

      Yup… the one who is Best Buds with the Russians… and bows toward Mecca!

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    • Ruler4You
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 5:42pm

      Redefining the common lexicon “IS” crucial to implementing communism. PC was an early stage of that effort. But lately the plan has escalated to the levels inside cabinet appointments. This “IS” part of the next phase of the “fundamental transformation” of America. Previously commonly understood words are now being used in a totally abnormal context.

      Communism DEPENDS on isolating, restricting and eventually eliminating religion, completely.

      Love God? You had better consider raising your voice now.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 6:56pm

      There is NOTHING PROGRESSIVE about this Great Man, Cardinal Dolan. HE is a born in the wool, seeped in tradition, card-carrying, 1000% TRUE BLUE AMERICAN who tells it like it is and is used by God at this time. Thank you GOD for Cardinal Timothy Dolan!! Obama is so out of his league.

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    • Gary1206
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:28pm

      Jaycen, don’t sell him short; he is a progressive. You’re right; they‘re getting it handed back to themselves and they can’t deal with it. My church got in bed with the gov‘t in the ’30s and let them be the providers of charity. Now they’re shocked, shocked I say that gov’t is telling them what to do. Just as with voting for The One, what did you think you were getting with this guy and his entourage?

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    • PIGSWILLNEVERFLY
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 2:13pm

      You can e-mail Cardinal Dolan. communications@archny.org. I did on March 7. It was a fairly long e-mail reminding him of Pastor Martin Niemoller (Nazi prisoner 1938-1945)…1st they came for the …then they came for me…. and gave him the website for Agenda 21 and listed some of the more terrifying objectives of what the world’s elite has planned. I mentioned losing Breitbart and his Righteous Indignation. A government big enough to give you anything you want is strong enough to take everything you have. I implored him to be outspoken and get involved for all churches our country in the name of Jesus himself, WAKE UP!! I also quoted Jude 1. The letter makes more sense that this rambling…

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  • pdw
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:31am

    I do hope America wakes up to their loss of freedom from the bills passed in Washington everyday and get this group out of office for ever and when the next group of control freaks get in office they must go also no matter what party they say they belong to if it is not to help this Country they need to go the way of all the greedy, it is time to take back our government. It was constructed for the people not for the thieves who wish to rule over and enslave this country.

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    • jujubeebee
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:58am

      Good post. I agree totally. Obama manages to skate by on lies he tells. Dolan should have seen through the lies from the beginning. Obama had no intention of allowing religious freedom and lied to move it along. I do believe they had that whole contraception issue ready to unleash when the realization came to be. People should not be dumbfounded but should be aware of who our President really is and what his real motives and intentions are. He has been lying about everything. That healthcare bill was not about lowering costs or covering more people but was about controlling us. They knew there would be backlash and were prepared to do whatever it took. They lied and they tried to stretched it out to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. AMERICANS need to WAKE UP. We need massive tea party patriots.

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:35am

      Doesn’t our constitution call for seperation of church and state?
      This looks like another case for the SCOTUS to interpret the constitution. How can the government tell a church to violate its core ethics. Thats interferance in the docterine of ther church sounds like another violation of the consticution ay Obumbler and his tsars.

      OMG 2012

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  • Free2speakRN
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:28am

    The Cardinal is completely correct. It doesn’t matter a bit if 100% of Catholics used contraceptives, (which is not even close), it is the Teaching of the Catholic Faith. All Catholics are certainly not Mother Theresa. ie. Mother Theresa is an example of one who followed the Catholic Teaching as it is.

    Obama, with his ‘friends’, are trying to kill Christianity. Marx is not Christian. He had no ‘room’ in his head for God, much less his heart. Jeremiah Wright is Jeremiah Wrong. These marxists are quick to cut. First the rug under Christianity, eventually the neck. President Obama claims to know the Catholic Faith. Why? Because of Marx? Pelosi? Sebelius? Biden? Reid? The new Kennedy(s)?

    He said, ‘No, the mandates remain. We‘re more or less giving you this time to find out how you’re going to be able to comply.’ It sounds like maybe…Capone taught him? See the ‘hot mic’ about Putan?

    That this is about contraceptives is crap! About womens’ medical rights? Crap! Securing Religious Freedom? Crap. They must be on a total Laxitive/Bran diet!? This is and was Bull**** from the get-go.

    Anyone who doesn’t recognize this as the First Chip away from RF in America, is either blind in mind, self-ish, or stupid. Or all 3.

    Obama wants a marxist nation, not under God, divisible, with their idea of liberty and justice for all. And…it all starts with getting rid of Religious Freedom. They all know it.

    I still pray for the guy.

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  • marthasusan40
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:22am

    As a Catholic I am tired of being walked on by the Obama administration…We need priest at the pulpit telling Catholics to vote him out…it is time…….if not we get what we deserve.

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    • blackyb
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:19am

      I am a baptist and I agree with you. Obama is a muslim at heart. He is not operating with a heart that
      respects or honors God or any religion that does.

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    • shogun459
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:24am

      “When the political winds turn ugly I will always side with the Muslims.”

      Barak Hussian Obama

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    • destrecht
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 6:25pm

      BlackYB, while I agree in principal, I don‘t believe he’s a muslim at heart. He’s a secular humanist.

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  • TH30PH1LUS
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:21am

    Isaiah 30: 9-11

    For these are rebellious people, deceitful children,
    children unwilling to listen to the LORD’s instruction.
    They say to the seers,
    “See no more visions!”
    and to the prophets,
    “Give us no more visions of what is right!
    Tell us pleasant things,
    prophesy illusions.
    Leave this way,
    get off this path,
    and stop confronting us
    with the Holy One of Israel!”

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    • HorseCrazy
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:40am

      yes they have exchanged the truth for a lie. Prayers for our nation

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  • sawbuck
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:21am

    I have a feeling Cardinal Dolan (like many)
    is a little to late to the party.
    I’d like to know…
    What’s the “percentage of Catholics” ..Voted for this guy..?
    All “Supposed Christians” ..for that matter..?
    U.S.A. Christians Nation..? …Yea right…!
    Home the modern day Laodicea (lukewarm ) Church.
    Is more like it.

    We cant even UNITE.. the GOP .Yet alone the whole country.
    ….And to make matters worse ,
    I have a feeling (because of this Trayvon Martin case)..
    The Black so called “Christians”
    are going to VOTE based on “Race” over “ Beliefs “.
    More so.. than last time around..!

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    • by faith
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:40am

      US Census Bureau
      Support for Obama in 2008
      53% of all voters
      94% Black Protestants
      89% Black Catholic (Vote based more on race than religion)
      75% unaffiliated
      71% Other minority Protestant
      71% Other minority Catholic (Hispanics were not going to vote for McCain)
      52% less-observant white Catholic
      55% less-observant white protestant
      41% observant white catholic
      41% observant white protestant

      Observant refers to voters who report attending religious service at least once a week.

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    • AmazingGrace8
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:16pm

      @sawbuck & @Big Faith

      This last Sunday, Charles Stanley had a great sermon regarding Good & Evil and one of the final words of the sermon & make reference to the following that sums this up: 1Peter 5:8…..

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    • honestynow
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 6:30pm

      @ByFaith
      Looks like the observants were just that and observed that o was bad news!

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  • IMCHRISTIAN
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:19am

    I am not Catholic but I stand for them on the freedom of religion. We do have the strongest backer in the world and God will not be fooled as some fools are fooled.

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  • lylejk
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:16am

    The government’s just doing what was taught them by their master: Satan

    You tell them one then then back stab them after they gave in to the lie. As I stated in another post, it’s time for a complete cleansing of the leaders (all of them, including establishment Republicans, but especially the potus) before it becomes too late for our Republic. :)

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  • Mapache
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:15am

    Could it be that the Catholic Church has finally found a man with a voice and the will to back it up? The Church in the USA has been leaderless and rudderless for twenty years. It is about time somebody showed up!

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    • Vickie Dhaene
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:43am

      I do believe your right. I would only add that it has been since the 70′s since we have had any active leader in the Catholic Church. I do remember the force that Cardinal Bernadine was. I pray for all the Leaders and Follower of the Catholic Church stay steadfast and pray each day for them to remain safe and loved.

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    • angelcat
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:32am

      As a Catholic, I am proud of Cardinal Dolan. He knows how to speak out without being unnecessarily nasty and still make his point. I hope he keeps it up and is not affected by the personal destruction that the liberals will no doubt attempt to silence him.

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    • destrecht
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 6:31pm

      I’m proud of Dolan too. We do have some good leaders finally though. Olmstead, Burke, Jackels…

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  • Tri-ox
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:14am

    If we are to survive as a nation, obama must be dethroned – we have no other choice.

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  • HKS
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:14am

    Considering Obama’s religion this would be normal and expected. Only those in denial are surprised.

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  • barber2
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:58am

    Attention Catholic Church : Get ready for the Democrat Character Assassination Squad attacks ! Am sure Maureen Dowd / NYT and the other Far Left media people will be dragging out all of the old pedophile , etc. , tales that they have in their files ! We all know that the union mob/ Chicago Democrats do NOT like any opposition ! Get ready : ACORN mobs, union bullies, IRS, Occupies, hoodie crowds, and the Media Goon Squads will be on the march !

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  • azsmitty
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:56am

    Well Bishop now you see what happens when the camel is allowed to put its nose under the tent flap! Soon the camel is inside the tent and all of its bad habits and stench accompany it. The Catholic Church forgot the lesson taught by their Founder……………”render unto Caeser the things that are Caesers, and to God the things that are His” Charity is the venue of the followers of Christ, allowing the “Camel” (government) to contribute via welfare has created a yoke that is hard to take off. Better late than never…….keep up the fight. When it comes to the government telling churches what they will or won’t do………..We are all Catholic, be we LDS, Baptists, Jewish, Muslim or Born again Christians.

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  • mastercabinetman
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:55am

    From where I stand, the President has declared war on the Catholic church, and Christianity as a whole. Mr. Obama, you have picked a fight with the wrong foe, WE HAVE GOD ON OUR SIDE. YOU ARE NO CHRISTIAN BY ANY MEASURE ESTABLISHED BY 2012 YEARS OF HISTORY. Not once in my 52 years on this earth have I ever mistakenly confused my religion like YOU DID in the interview with George Stephonoplis while running for President. You in your own words said your muslim religion You are a decietful liar, and some day you WILL stand before God and answer for your sins just like all of us will. IT’S NOT TO LATE TO REPENT, AND ASK FOR FORGIVNESS. but for some reason I feel that’s not going to happen. LIVE FREE OR DIE SEMPER FI

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:03am

      Master: There will be a photo, front page of the New York Times, of him and family at Church next Sunday . Polls speak. It will be Easter Sunday. AND it is an election year . So “ transparently” phony. Lap Dog media to the rescue.

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    • encinom
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:15am

      Where do you stand, in an insane asylum?

      This is nothing more than the Bishops having a hissy fit and stomping their feet, thye have lost their flock. The position of the Bishops is more in line with the extremist Baptist and Evanglicals than with the American Catholics.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:30am

      and that would coincide with the positions of the Bible

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  • hauschild
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:54am

    Ah, another classic – this time from the Catholic regime. Funny how these people had no problem with Marxism, until it came in via their front door.

    This country is toast.

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  • jakartaman
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:52am

    Do not surrender you faith to this communist President!
    I would also recommend excommunicating a few high level personalities to highlight this issue
    Start with Polosi, Reid and Biden etc

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    • mermaid7
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:05am

      You know, I wouldn‘t be surprised that the Cardinal hasn’t thought about that.

      I think he finds it amusing that Pelosi would think that she is speaking for all Catholics and what they think in societal terms that don‘t concur with the church’s teachings.

      I think this says a whole lot more on the audaciousness of the liberals and their thinking.

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    • Lt_Scrounge
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 10:14am

      Agreed Jakartaman. I‘ve been wondering why the Catholic Church hasn’t been taking these idiots to the cleaners for years. I know that one of the problems is that the churches are prevented from speaking about politics as part of their tax exempt status, but that tax exempt status rule should be challenged in court because it is decidedly unconstitutional because it restricts the ability of the pastor/minister/ priest’s ability to exercise their beliefs. WHICH IS A VIOLATION of the 1st Amendment, unlike someone putting up a cross or a nativity scene on public land. The former DEFINITELY violates the section of the 1st amendment that says “or restrict the free exercise thereof” while the latter most certainly does not “establish a religion”.

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  • Itsjusttim
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:51am

    It seems to me all men are servants, and servants can not require a debt of another servant, because all men work for God. And if men can not forgive other men those trespasses, then why should God who is above men forgive men their trespasses? Men are not worth very much so I suppose God will require an interest payments to the tune of billions.

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    • shogun459
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 11:35am

      what?
      You were doing fine right up to,
      “Men are not worth very much so I suppose God will require an interest payments to the tune of billions.”
      This doesn’t track, sorry. The Boss isn’t cash-n-carry, no intrest.
      But the Debt will always be paid and it always costs the same.
      Either You pay it or Christ does, your call. It really is that simple, but you gotta Believe it.
      Also, if humans are so worthless, why did He send his son to pay for our sins?
      Also, if humans are so worthless, why did God give us free will? Ok that one cuts both ways, still it’s a gift.

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:51pm

      SHOGUN: please ignore NeedyTim. He is one of our Lefty atheist Trolls who likes to spout religious babble. Usually he will post about 4 in a row. The guy wasn’t held enough as a baby. Think he used to post under the name ELIASIUM and saw a JIMNASIUM post of meaningless religious babble yesterday which sounded like he had been resurrected yet again…ho hum….

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:49am

    “we‘ve used the words ’radical,‘ ’unprecedented‘ and ’dramatically intrusive.’” Yes Cardinal, so have we…and he still looks like he’ll get a second term. Dig in and help us get him out of the White House.

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    • jujubeebee
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 12:01pm

      Yes, dig in and get Obama out!
      Some of us have your back and the more speaking out for freedom the more the ignorant may get the full picture.
      This is going to be a fight for freedom. If we lose this fight we will lose our country forever. We cannot have him “winning the future”.

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  • gbfreak
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:48am

    In your face….obammyman!

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  • barber2
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:46am

    ” radical, unprecedented, and dramatically intrusive .” Pithy and charitably sanitized summation of our current Democrat Marxist administration in the White House…

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  • lynnissmart
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:39am

    I like this Cardinal….I hope the Catholic Church and all othe houses of religion fight this pos “tooth and nail”…..even if they have to bring it to the Surpreme Court, I suggest they do it!!!! Never in my life, have I seen such a hateful pos administration…..It’s beyond puking!!!

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    • oldguy49
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:44am

      i would as most free people would consider the muslims radical………..yep i lean toward the belief that obama has thown in with the mussies

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:47am

      Lynn: you are smart !

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    • barber2
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:53am

      OLD: I think Obama was more influenced by the anti-colonial, anti- capitalism, Black Power , Marxist hate speech of the 1960′s. I bet he is more of an atheist, elitist “ intellectual” than an adherent to any “ ignorant ” religious belief. His arrogance and narcissism mark him as one who believes that he is smarter than God ! Like all atheists – the smartest guys in any room. Witness the Obama apologists who comment here.

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  • eaglesview
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:38am

    Stand tall Cardinal Dolan !.
    Yes, there is a challenge conveying the message to Catholics, BUT that does not give the Federal Gov’t the right to mandate anything to any religion.
    Pelosi’s a kook, and the President is a Socialist.
    Ought to be interesting conversations with St. Peter for those two.

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  • kevymac
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:37am

    This message needs to be preached from every pulpit every Sunday!

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  • ChildofJesus
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:37am

    Never comply.

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  • NOBALONEY
    Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:36am

    “America’s Bishop” will speak for all of us against the Obama administrations edicts!

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    • Obama Snake Oil Co
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 9:51am

      We will not comply! If you think 77 million catholics do not imput and election, you are putting blither in idiot. I am not being told not to vote D, I am being told to vote my convictions. My convictions say no to Abortion and Contraceptives. Obama stepped in it and no mattter how much he scrapes off his shoe, the smell will is still there….

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    • encinom
      Posted on April 2, 2012 at 1:11pm

      He maybe be America’s Bishop, but the majority of his Catholic flock ignore him and his outdated teaching. Even organizations such as the Jesuits, Catholic Hospitals and Univesities are ignoring this petty would be politician.

       

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