Catholic Paper Pulls Column Blaming Satan for Gay Attraction
- Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:27am by
Billy Hallowell
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Is the devil responsible for gay attraction? While this question may be absurd to some, it was the central underpinning of a controversial opinion column by Daniel Avila.
His article, “Some Fundamental Questions on Same-Sex Attraction,“ was retracted on Wednesday after being published a few days earlier by ”The Pilot,” the oldest Roman Catholic newspaper in America.
Avila, an associate director for policy and research for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops ignited a firestorm when he wrote, ”the scientific evidence of how same-sex attraction most likely may be created provides a credible basis for a spiritual explanation that indicts the devil.” According to the Associated Press:
It also says “disruptive imbalances in nature that thwart encoded processes point to supernatural actors who, unlike God, do not have the good of persons at heart.“ It says that when ”natural causes disturb otherwise typical biological development, leading to the personally unchosen beginnings of same-sex attraction, the ultimate responsibility, on a theological level, is and should be imputed to the evil one, not God.”
On Wednesday, the newspaper decided to remove the column from its web site. Apparently, the publication is claiming that it failed to recognize the “theological error” before the piece went to print.
A note from the editor reads, “The Pilot has removed the column ‘Some fundamental questions on same-sex attraction’ from its Website.” Avila, too, posted an apology on the site:
“Statements made in my column, ‘Some fundamental questions on same-sex attraction’ of October 28, do not represent the position of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the column was not authorized for publication as is required policy for staff of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
The teaching of Sacred Scripture and of the Catechism of the Catholic Church make it clear that all persons are created in the image and likeness of God and have inviolable dignity. Likewise, the Church proclaims the sanctity of marriage as the permanent, faithful, fruitful union of one man and one woman. The Church opposes, as I do too, all unjust discrimination and the violence against persons that unjust discrimination inspires. I deeply apologize for the hurt and confusion that this column has caused.”
Daniel Avila
This apology will also appear in this week’s edition of the newspaper. In a press release prior to the article’s retraction, gay rights group Truth Wins Out targeted Avila’s column, writing:
Truth Wins Out condemned Massachusetts attorney Daniel Avila today for calling homosexuality a “natural disaster” caused by Satan invading the wombs of mothers of LGBT children. [...]
“Avila’s bizarre theories are unscientific and defamatory,” said Wayne Besen, Executive Director of Truth Wins Out. “Telling Catholic mothers with LGBT children that Satan entered their womb and caused their child’s homosexuality is spiritual abuse of the highest order.” [You can read the full press release here.]
Avila’s comments have very obviously infuriated gay rights groups and those who believe that people are born gay. This theory — that Satan is involved in the process — is something that these individuals would view as an absurdity.
It seems even the Church had second thoughts about these views, as they were deemed theologically erroneous.
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Comments (197)
schmite123oh
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:52amThen Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. 7The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
Repent!
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:36pmBut he never said anything about God not liking homosexuality. People before him and people after him, yeah, but he himself, no.
Report Post »4dogsandagun
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:52amGOD gave us a free will and in HIS doing so HE gave us a choice of which side we are going to stand on.If you choose to follow your bodily desires and act upon them and these “desires” are teachings that go against church teachings then you pay the consequences when it is your time to be judged at the pearly gates.The author of the article (and the newspaper) should never have backed down and retracted and apologize for writing/publishing it. Being politically correct is one of the reasons our country has gone to hell in a hand basket.The PC police are reaping their rewards now because people are so afraid of standing by their beliefs in order not to offend someone.The PC police sure as heck are not afraid to offend the majority of the people and to shove their agenda down our throats and offend us.Stand firm on your beliefs no matter who they offend.The PC sure do.”if you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything”.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:59amYes you are correct people do have free-will, and yet (as you said Political Correctness is destroying America), then it must be that People are also restricted to boundaries or risk living in hell on earth.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:04pmCase in point Jesus had free-will, and Jesus could have prevented his own crucifixion by denying the Father and thus denying his own intelligence and soul. But Jesus chose to prove to people exactly what “Subduing” the earth really means. And that’s why it says in Revelation as the beloved cried, that the Lion of the Tribe of Judah had conquered by not loving his life. I think people do not fully appreciate Jesus for the truly amazing thing he did for all people.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:17pmNote: Jesus was named in Revelation “The Lion of the Tribe of Judah.” Judah as named by Jacob was a Lion’s whelp, and therefore who is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah if Judah was additionally named by Jacob “My son.”
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 1:29pm“When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” ~ the Apostle James
Report Post »Survivor101
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 2:06pmThere is a change in catholicism…a determined undercurrent to rid the religion of those that condemned the article. It has given me faith once again in the church…it is about time that Christians quit being politically correct and call a spade a spade (or a rock a rock – whatever you may use) and understand that if a politician votes for abortion…OUT OF THE CHURCH….same with all the other false political prophets.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 2:47pmTruth is of One Source but often times the humble, those who listen, “theologians, and those who observe, “scientists”, do not arrive there together.
Patience- a virtue worth waiting for.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 3:18pmI’m ready to start my own Church. The recent stupidity of the Pope, the watered down position on ev“i”lution vs creation, knowing for certain now how deeply rooted in the Club of Rome the Vatican is, and the never ending coddling of freak Fathers who molest little children.
I’ll call it the Church of Elohims Creation.
ALL Church leaderships are w h or es of the world, and therefore in bed with the devil. I’m sickened that my Church is a house of satan.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:09pmFree to Love, what, when & where, why, how?
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:57pmThe only problem I have with the Catholic teaching here –is it seems to ignore the passages of Scripture where Jesus spoke in parable of the Wheat and the Tares. –of good seed–and bad—of Children of the Light and Children of the World. It seems to ignore as 4DOGS notes the Doctrine of free will. The passages that speak of Cain –and of God hating Cain in the womb– what this author suggested does not seem so much a theological error if one is a Christian for it can be argued that the men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly. Genesis 13:13– and all the other Scripture that speaks of the behavior /Sin that brought destruction down on Sodom,Gomorrah ,and the Cities round about. –If God is Good and the author of Good and if the Devil as fallen Angel is author of all that is against God .Then it seems reasonable that if the sin of Sodom gave rise to the behavior that is described in Genesis 19: –Behavior that caused such an Outcry that God came down to see for Himself if He had determined rightly to utterly destroy these Cities. Then I can only conclude the one who caused the men of Sodom to live so wickedly –is also the one who planted Tares among the Wheat. and the one who ultimately is also responsible for same sex attraction and the one tempted to seem unable to resist the devil…flee fornication?
Report Post »The theological error here seems be with the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 5:45pm@10th Amendment
Good to hear you say that!!!! You are such a smart person, open that good book and He will guide you! He is speaking to you, thus you being upset, listen to Him.
For the article:
We are all created STRAIGHT not backwards, God makes us all heterosexual. Being Homos is a choice. One can deny it to themselves all they like but deep inside they know it is true. If you are homosexual and do not believe in God, fine. You still cannot explain why nature would create something that cannot reproduce. That is unnatural. So either way you go, God or Nature,being Homosexual is nothing but a perversion. Once one accepts that truth, they will change their life and truly become gay in the true definition not the label.
Stop using the label gay. There is nothing gay about being homosexual. If you are a Homos then own your scientific name and stop with the created label of “gay” just to make your lifestyle seem better then what it actually is. By using a label you are only showing you are living a lie and running from truth….
Have a great day!
Report Post »copyCAT3
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 8:12pmHey 10th amendment:
Since you are ever so ready to verbally abuse an entire religion for a few incidents, are you also prepared to say that the whole black community should be condemned for the rampant and disproportionate rape, murder, ignorance and poverty or does this only go for religion? Oh no….are we not in the trust tree? Can we not say these things? Why don’t you check your anger at the door, and think before you verbally abuse something that many good people hold sacred.
And Okie from Muskokee….what the hell are you happy to hear 10th say? What about a temper tantrum that includes a joking desire to start their own religion is cool?
And by the way, that was an example….I would never condemn an entire race for the actions of a few of them.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:18pm@CopyCat3
First, you need to stop your temper tantrum with me and use your words wisely. Cursing is not needed. If you cannot understand what that means it only proves a point you wouldn’t understand.
I am happy to hear 10th has educated 10th‘s self around the Club of Rome and it’s ties to the Vatican and how evil the Club of Rome is. I am happy to hear 10th sees the recent stupidity of the pope, the water downed position on evilution vs creation, and the never ending coddling of freak Fathers who molest little children and is tired of making excuses for all of it.
I am happy because it shows 10ths spirit is stirring in 10th because 10th understands deep down those things are evil, not right, and against what God would do.
If that bothers you, me being happy for 10th beginning to see truth on God, tough, get over it. Now take your temper tantrum somewhere else. Get thee behind me Satan, I have no time for you…
Report Post »Formula382
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 7:26amI’m actually digging the Catholic teaching here, gotta love a church that has a set of balls. Are there any left other than the Catholics? Remember, even the Presbyterians caved to social pressures as of late, now they have quite an exodus (no pun) on their hands!
Report Post »JimL
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 10:26amTo Stony: Angels and Men are creatures of God, Love.
…to freely return God’s Love, to share God’s Love…
…in Love, the World will not understand you.
Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1739.
Report Post »windclimber
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:47amWhoa everybody…………..In all of the great examples of theology and personal beliefs,…have we all lost track of the common sense realitys? Given all of us who believe in the Three distinct..seperate,…mystery of God Almighty, most advocates of any kind of homosexuality do not. If they say they do they do not truly believe enough to understand the harm to the soul homosexuality inflicts. Having said that…..the Church,I believe is correct in pulling the article as it was not vetted properly for theological exposure. On the common sense reality………..Procreation is not possible with this practice…period….the soul is placed by God, therefore since it is clear that God condiders the practice an abomination, and two like genders cannot Cocreate with God to form a human being, there is only one logical conclusion….Not only is it not natural….it expels God from the equation and is therefore Evil. As to biological predisposition…..it is impossible, as there was no beginning to the sequence. It is simply a deviant behavior not stopped in early childhood, or caused in early childhood by physical and or psycological/ emotional enviornment. It is a learned behavior and accepted at some point rationally or irrationally during a persons formative yrs. Siblings from the same family? turning hetro or ****, same explanation……parental involvement or lack of……
Report Post »gemologist
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:39amyeah the catholic church is a joke, anytime what they believe goes too far away from public liberal sentiment, they change what they believe… And yes, the devil is happy about people having homosexual actions and would do anything he can to help more people do it (see, it’s not about “being gay” its about the action and the people who do them God condemns).
Report Post »Jack Rackham
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:46amFYI the Catholic Church does regard homosexual acts as a sin.
Report Post »conservativewoman
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:15pm@Gemologist
Report Post »Excuse me! “The Catholic Church is a joke.” If that is an example of your Christianity, no thank you!
calyptratus
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:42pmI bet there is an openly gay pastor in your church somewhere
Report Post »Papist
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:28pm“anytime what they believe goes too far away from public liberal sentiment, they change what they believe…” Yeah, like homosexuality, contraception, gay marriage, abortion… Oh wait! That’s right. It’s the Catholic church that has never, and will never change on these issues.
Report Post »ThoreauHD
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 6:31pmIf the Church is a joke then the Apostles and Saints ain’t laughing.
Report Post »yiddishlion
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:28amThe problem is very few truly understand the FULL nature of the GOD
Isaiah 45:7
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
Remember he is the stumbling stone. In many different ways. Evil exists to weed out those who are not worthy…………think about it………….
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:36amyiddishlion,
Report Post »Makes sense to me! Woe to those whom sit on their lees and say God will not do good, and neither will he do evil. That’s why Good is a combination of ups and downs. How do you appreciate the ups and know the ups if you haven’t seen the downs?
Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:38amThat’s why Socialism makes a world without form and void.
Report Post »YoungBloodNews
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:39amPope needs to clarify his position on the ‘one world bank for a one world economy…” Sound like the beast to me
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:44amThat‘s the problem with parents in that they don’t usually know how to be parents when they have their first-born child, and in a way they raise the first born with an Iron-fist, and give them as much as they can, and spoil the child. In a way, like Socialism. Therefore they spiritual destroy their first-born and the first-born doesn’t know the steps involved in how the father came to be. That’s why God said give me your first-born meaning give them to Liberty so the child knows the Father’s word is good.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:50amThen parents won’t beat their children senseless like that poor girl in Texas who was beaten by her (knock-on wood) judge father. That’s not the “Rod” dad, your soul(will-power) is your rod.
Report Post »marjorie faye
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:52amyiddishlion, you are misconstruing the word “evil” in the passage from Isaiah. The specific word in Hebrew is translated “calamity” and “disaster” in other translations; meaning that God might bring calm or might bring a storm. It has nothing to do with the concept of good and evil, such as sin being evil. It has to do with events that we interpret as something we like and something we don’t like.
Report Post »BUDDY LITTLE
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 2:17pm@Marjorie Fay,God does not need you to make excuses for him,If the bible is the inspired work of God ?then keep your reinterpreting hands off!Next you will say God dose not control all things! Tell that to Job!The amazing thing with people like you,you search for ways to make the scripture fit your understanding !Instead of seeking understanding of God’s inspired word.Your arrogance is insulting!
Report Post »kmichaels
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 3:09pmOne thing to keep in mind is that there are natural side-effects of certain creations. If you create light for example, you also create the ability to distinguish light from darkness, thereby being able to see the shadows. Without light, all is dark. With light, you see the contrast. With freedom of will, you create the possibility of evil to exist. So, in one sense, you can say that God created evil. In a wiser way however, you would be better served by saying that God allows evil to exist. And why? In order to create stronger wiser more enlightened good people. Because without seeing the general effects of evil, good people would have their progression hampered greatly.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 3:51pmmarjorie faye,
Yes, you are correct. Other Bible translations do use the word ‘calamity’ instead of ‘evil’ as in the KJV.
Report Post »Some people do not understand that the KJV is itself a translation, so when it uses a certain word like ‘evil’ to describe a calamity, it should be compared with other translations to understand what is meant.
Thank you for bringing this out.
Bearfoot
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 3:56pmBUDDY LITTLE,
I have to say, it might be good for you to re-examine your reply. You attack Marjorie for telling the truth, and without a good cause.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:26pmBUDDY LITTLE,
An example of this is comparing the KJV with the new KJV
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’ – NKJV
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. – KJV
Isaiah 45:7 – Forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating calamity, I, Jehovah, am doing all these things. – NWT
Report Post »jaxson
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 3:41amI agree, for He chose us from the beginning, but many believe they chose Him..which kinda undermines Gods power and uplifts mans…..
Report Post »niki
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 7:51amYiddishlion
Report Post »I think you need to learn more about the bible. I don’t think you understand it correctly.
yiddishlion
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 4:03pmNIKI and MARJORIE;
I am a Bible scholar who reads Greek as well as Biblical Hebrew. I am correct and you are both wrong.
Report Post »The word evil in that particular context is ra’ and it does indeed mean EVIL, WICKED, BAD you are the ignorant ones who are in error.
Cherynn
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:28amCatholic church = worlds oldest, most corrupt political party.
Report Post »conservativewoman
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:13pm@Cherynn
Report Post »How would you like it if I said that about your family? My Church is my family!
Your bigotry is showing. Remember, there is still freedom of religion in this country
or are you on the other side?
Cherynn
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:28pmI know there’s religeous freedom in this country, I believe in it. There is also freedom of opinion in this country, and that is my opinion. I am not a catholic, catholics do not speak for me, I am not obligated to bow to the catholic religeon. Catholics and thier pope do not rule over me in any way, shape or form, no matter what they think.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 1:18pmConservative Woman, I’ll expose these socialist comments if you will continue to do the same! :)
Report Post »We may not agree on some things, but defending our individual freedoms are the big picture which we must continue to hold on to.
Papist
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:38pmWhat a deep insightful statement! I’m amazed by your intellectual prowess. How old is your church? 20? 100?
Report Post »Cherynn
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:41pmI also have the religeous freedom in this country to be Buddhist.
Report Post »Cherynn
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 4:47pm@ Papist, not that is matters much but my religeon was around 400 years before Christ was born.
Report Post »Susie40
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 5:25pmMay God forgive you for your “love thy neighbor” attitude.
Report Post »There IS a reason the Catholic Church has been built up, torn down, built up, torn down and built up again. No one says she hasn’t had evil infiltrate her. But by the Grace of God, she gets ‘righted’ again. As Jesus said, “the gates of hell shall not prevail against her”. And the gates of hell have never ceased attempting to destroy her.
This_Individual
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 5:56pmPAPIST- Enlightenment has nothing to do with age.
Report Post »copyCAT3
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 8:24pmCherynn I pray you believe in Jesus Christ before you die. Or at least find a humble heart….apparently buddha hasn’t taught you that.
Report Post »bitterclinger
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:18amCowards. The Catholic Church abdicated all moral authority long ago. They bought into the social justice/far-left social worker/ACORN model a while ago. Do the learned men of the Church know that homosexuality was considered a mental disease until the early ’70s, when the lefty psych lobbies managed to get the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders to “change” that?
As a cradle Catholic, I’ve seen more than enough and would consider leaving my faith for another that actually preaches about right and wrong and that sin, the devil and hell exist.
Report Post »hi
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:51amTry the bible church. The minister goes through the Bible and teaches the historical setting and meanings.
Report Post »conservativewoman
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:11pmA lot of cradle Catholics never bothered to learn their Catholic faith. Try again. Read the catechism or join an adult catechism class. I went to one and it is always enlightening. If you are only going to Church and not involved in a ministry, you cannot sit back and complain how the Church is not doing right. It is people who make the ministries.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:40pmCradle Catholic- baptized, catechized and confirmed?
see,
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, LIFE IN CHRIST, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS , “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF”, THE SIXTH COMMANDMENT
From another Catholic paper: “Anti-Christian Censorship and New Media”, 10-3-11
Report Post »http://www.ewtn.com/library/Media/zantichrstcens.HTM
copyCAT3
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 8:31pmLeave Bitter Clinger! You are the type of person that would write that article in the first place. That writer isn’t speaking for the Catholic Church. And they certainly don’t know what The Church teaches about homosexuals, and apparently neither do you. Maybe if you had any idea of what the Catechism teaches you wouldn’t sound like a grade A moron.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:05amWhy apologize? If you believe what the Bible teaches and that it‘s God’s written word, don’t apologize for God…He doesn’t need your help.
Report Post »marjorie faye
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:01pmExactly.
Report Post »Marine 1
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:46amGOD is real. Satan is real. GOD gives men and women their agency to make decisions – right or wrong. GOD does not “force” anyone to follow Him. Satan, who is evil beyond words, influences men and women to make BAD decisions through visual presentations, thoughts, media, physical acts, other people who have fallen away from GOD and His ways and much more. Satan would love to mandate that men and women follow him but he does not have that power. People allow that to happen by making personal choices with their own agency.
One stays close to GOD by being obedient to HIS word through prayer, scripture study, personal choices that are good and uplifting and a myriad of other good and wholesome things. Satan hates that.
Ultimately, being a homosexual is a choice and one uses his or her agency in making that choice. GOD made the rules to live by and homosexuality is wrong according to His rules. No earthly organization or individual can change those rules.
GOD created men and women that might have joy in their being together and raising a family. Satan wants the family unit, the backbone of any great nation, destroyed and wants this nation destroyed as well. Therefore, Satan is attacking the family unit and creating havoc in this nation and world.
Report Post »Atheist Dave
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:27amWhat justifies these claims as truth? Simply Biblical support? It just seems strange that people make appeals to authority to support claims like these and seem to feel like they need to offer little else.
Report Post »KingDawg
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:33pmwell said marine1
Report Post »OneofMany
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 2:57pm@Atheist Dave –
Let’s see… your #1 Cheerleader, Richard Dawkins, when asked where life began, claims we came from ALIENS or ON THE BACKS OF CRYSTALS…. are you kidding me..???
Atheism is a religion, just a cover for the “god of self”… you make yourself the “god” of your universe. Only your god isn’t very powerful.
Take a read of “Christian Apologetics” by Douglas Groothuis (not to be confused with the “Christian Apologetics” by Norman Geisler – which is also fantastic)… Dr. Groothuis’ book is updated and covers every conceivable angle…. see if you can find a hole in his logic…. bet ya can’t..
Report Post »picut
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 12:57amOne of Many:
Report Post »I have a few issues with your post.
Richard Dawkins isn’t a cheerleader. He’s a scientist.
We are the gods of our own universes. Reliance on God is not taking responsibility for maintaining your own life. And you know, that sentence “only your god isn’t very powerful” makes you sound like you’re boasting that your big brother exists to win fights for you. Which you are. Rather childish really.
The book? One major plot hole that I will risk mentioning without having read it. There is no particular reason for the ideology behind Christianity to exist, besides the fundamental human instincts for blame and passing on responsibility. Defend it all you like, but aside from word from a couple more of your “big brothers” there‘s nothing there that can’t be better explained by folks like… well, Richard Dawkins.
One last thing? Your username. One of Many. Where I come from, it’s an insult to be called a sheep. Appropriately, you seem exactly the kind of person to deserve it.
BCPATIOT
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 1:45amAmen, Marine1.
Report Post »You sound like the Paster in town. A mover and shaker…just plain Gosple. :D
Blazen420
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:28amWho else could be responsible for such a deviant act?
Report Post »Joe Schmuck
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:35amSatan provides the temptions. Man decideds whether or not to act on them.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:47amWell, “Man” is spirit. That’s why people can be construed as being “Mankind.” Satan stands up in people to suggest to the men-beast the wonders and materials of the world they can have all to themselves.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:47amexactly.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:51amWe are at an age where a church must apologize for identifying sin? PC is run amuck.
Report Post »Please, we expect someone to stand on the side of God… who will it be?
catholiccowboy
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:52amI have always known this to be true….one doesn’t have to go to deep into scripture to realize all that satan represents. A coward and a liar, roaming the earth in search of souls. We know he preys upon the weak….and tempts us at every occasion. Those who practice homosexuality are deceived into believing they are OK with there disordered attraction. It is life less, bares no fruit, destroys the body and the spirit, leaves the soul void of self worth, removes all dignity and self worth…..but…..many have turned away from doing this and found life in God, so don’t give up and member that were ever evil is present…there God is more abundantly.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:55amThe “Field” is the earth. In Genesis, a mist came up from the ground to water the surface of the ground and God scraped Adam from that dust, and place him “eastward” in Eden. Then the more cunning serpent of “The Field” caused Eve “The People” also “Wife” otherwise known as ‘Help meet” (like meaning meet Adam half-way) to take from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That’s also why Jesus said only that which was in Heaven can return to Heaven. I’m not making this stuff up, it’s in the Bible.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:00amIn more words: The mist that came up from the ground to water the ground, that God used to scrape together the spirit of Adam, that mist was abundant and it also formed into people who became the more cunning serpent of “The field.”
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:03amTherefore it was that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And that fruit was the “Dust” of the more cunning serpent of “The field”, and that’s why when Cain was born, Cain was of the wicked one.
Report Post »onegodinkansas
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:15am@ Eliasim… Did Herman Cain sexually harass you too??!!
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:19amonegodinkansas,
Report Post »No, Her Man Cain did not. But he sure did like Godfather’s ovens.
BuzzardSays
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:50pmTo Joe Schmuck,
Have you not heard of the old man in the flesh. Lust of life. Lust of the flesh. Satan is to be contended with…but a mans lusts hold him in error and sin which cannot be broken without a salvation relationship with Jesus the Christ.
Let us remember that all men are plagued with deviant desires caused by the fall; be that lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, Idol Worship, and the sin of OWS covetusness. Only Jesus can break our bonds and set us free. Lord please set the homosexuals we pray over and for free from their deviancy. In Jesus name.
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:19amIt is unfortunate that the Catholic church feels the need to make it’s spiritual beliefs bend to the societal beliefs of the moment. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that homosexuals are “born that way” but it is one more baseless theory that the left thinks everyone should bow down to, like global warming and darwinism.
Report Post »People of faith do not need to apologise for a belief that confusion, disease, maladjustment, addictions and deviations have a spiritual influence. I don’t care what secularists think about anything, they are living in the dark and trying to make science fit their twisted thinking. The only thing controversial here is that there are some in our society who pretend to know the answers and insist that others can not have an opinion, because it might hurt someones feelings.
The Catholic church had better find a backbone, you‘ve been in bed with democrats so long you’ve forgotten who your supposed to be representing.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:27amIt’s true..Satan is the source of this.
He is a Hermaphrodite. The Statue of Liberty. Hermaphroditic Baphomet.
Report Post »SafeguardOurLiberty
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:56amThere is scientific evidence, you need to do your research. No one in their right mind would choose to be gay. Would you? Would you want to be demoralized everyday, be ostracized, be beaten and sometimes killed, be bullied, have rights that everyone has being denied? Tell me would you choose that behavior just so to indulged in sexual behavior? Are you nuts? there are people that indulge in same sex for fun, but they are heterosexual, they are not gay. Gays do not have that choice, they are not attracted to the opposite gender, That is a proven fact. So tell me, what are they suppose to do? Live their lives alone because people detest their being? The Catholic Church is and has always been biased against women, gays,blacks, Jews, protestants, single mothers, but yet they allow pedophiles in their religion and give them a pass. Satan has no power to create people, only God does. God created all, including gays.
CincinnatiCatholic
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:26amFirst, please refrain from using blanket statements regarding the Catholic Church. This is ONE “Catholic” publication acting irresponsibly. They alone are pandering to the unenlightened in this instance. You are right, however, that Catholics need to stand up to such things. That is why I am writing to you and will next be sending an email to “The Pilot”. Mr. Avila is correct in what he said. All evil in the world, from cancer to pornography to sodomy to socialism, has as its root in Satan. The natural state of all things is peaceful perfection.
Report Post »CincinnatiCatholic
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:49amPeaceful perfection in CHRIST, that is.
Report Post »capecodsully
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:51amLIBRTY – Your right satan has no power to create anything. The God of Israel is the creator of all of us. He loves us all equally, regardless of the sins we fall into. satans only power is to know our weeknesses and tempt us to fall, and we all do in one way or another. No one is greater or lesser in the eyes of God, he loves us all, despite our failings. He is always there to offer us a way up and a way out.
Report Post »SRPDS
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 12:04pm@safeguard : as a gay cosnervative, thank you for this. never thought to put it that way but its best said that i’ve seen.
Report Post »Papist
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 5:04pm@ SAFEGUARDOURLIBERTY, you speak in cliches. Ostracize gays? Would that ostracized gay be Ellen DeGeneres? Chaz Bono? Ricky Martin? George Michael? I could go on and on! It appears to me that nearly every prime time show on TV has one homosexual character. It seems that contrary to your assumption, homosexuals are celebrated in society, not ostracized.
Report Post »As for your ludicrous and ignorant statement “The Catholic Church is and has always been biased against women, gays, blacks, Jews, protestants, single mothers, but yet they allow pedophiles in their religion and give them a pass.” It’s so ridiculous, I don’t know where to start. Sounds like the rantings of an anti-Catholic lunatic, so until you can provide evidence for such flame-throwing nonsense, I won’t bother to reply. Except to say you should check the list of canonized saints. You’ll find quite a number of blacks and women among them.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 5, 2011 at 9:13amCommunist Goals from the 1963 Congressional Record.
#26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
Looks like they achieved that goal…
This is an attack on the American Family, the core structure of the strength of America, by COMMIES.
Period.
Next?
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
Report Post »Joe Schmuck
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:18amThey might be trying to pin this on Bush. However, with Cain in the picture, no telling which way they’ll go.
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:03am“Yes I know, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Much like Satan, the Beast, and the Lucifer.”
In your search of the truth you will find satan likes to pattern himself as “God like”. He created his own Anti-God faith… islam.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:15amWait a minute….slam on the breaks. First people have to understand there isn’t just one twisted entity called Satan. There’s “The Satan”, “The Beast” and “The Lucifer” who doesn’t forgive transgressions. Which one is The Church talking about?
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:20amBecause Satan wants to live, and that‘s even why Satan stood up in Jesus when Jesus’ hour had come to be taken.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:21amAnd yes I know it’s spelled “Brakes.” So keep your malice from me.
Report Post »FormerLib
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:23amSatan has many names in the scripture, as does God and Christ.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:29amYes I know, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Much like Satan, the Beast, and the Lucifer.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:02am“The Beast” is considered/interpreted by many to be “The System” that will require the mark of the beast.
Report Post »conservativewoman
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:13amGod does create us in his image, but not in a way that biologically causes us to sin. That comes from another source. I agree with the paper. Too bad they pulled it.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:07amBig mistake, catholic paper!
Report Post »Welcome Black Carter
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:37amGay = sin. Satan = son of sin… where’s the mistake?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:04amHomosexuality is a choice people make, they give into the temptations presented by the Devil, and the final choice as with all of life in what we do is our own to deal with — for good or for bad.
Report Post »hightide
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:06amAbsolutely correct.
Report Post »threedoor
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:11amThanks Sno. Right on. And homosexuals can choose to cast off their sin, generally after being convicted by Truth.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:16amYes and the only way to redeem oneself is through the grace of Jesus Christ. Grace is not available to UN-believers due to their own stubbornness. Take it or leave it.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:18am“Homosexuality is a choice people make, they give into the temptations presented by the Devil, and the final choice as with all of life in what we do is our own to deal with — for good or for bad.”
Absolutely!
Report Post »The Truth Will Set You Free
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:29amBingo!
Report Post »Scalzo
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:45amQuestion then. When did you all decide to be straight? Was it after an experimental period when you sampled both to see what worked best for you?
And why would someone choose to be gay? To lead a life suffering from persecution and bigotry?
Report Post »Darren
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:33amScalzo;
“Question then. When did you all decide to be straight? Was it after an experimental period when you sampled both to see what worked best for you?”
Theologically speaking I’d say the following: After Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit God came down and said: “22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil…” (Genesis 3). I find two significant points in these scriptural passages regarding to your statement. First, “knowing good and evil” is godly. Second, this brings up the question of what it means to “know good and evil”. Namely, do you have to “experiement” to “konew good and evil”?
Regarding the soin of God to come, isaiah said ofthe following: “15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.” (Isaiah 7). Jesus, our perfect example as how we should live is prophecied to eat “butter and honey” (both sweet) and by doing so would know to abhor evil. To refuse it and to *choose* good.
(con’t)
Report Post »Darren
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:42am(con’t);
By choosing good, one learns the “sweetness” of good and naturally will know not to do evil. In my view, evil and good cannot coexist on the same plane at the same time. One will naturally push the other out. So, one will know evil because of it lacks good. It is not “sweet”. By choosing good, one comes closer to God, experiences its “sweetness” and will better judge what evil is because it lacks such sweetness.
“And why would someone choose to be gay? To lead a life suffering from persecution and bigotry?”
People choose to be gay because they want ot be gay. People will choose what they want just becuase they want it despite its external ramifications. Now, while I absolutely condemn persecuting others because they are gay, I think the “persacutions” against gay, while they do exist and while they can and do get very ugly at times, are overexaggerated.
Report Post »Balrog28
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:46am@Mevyn -
Report Post »“Grace is not available to UN-believers due to their own stubbornness.” I think you’ve got it right – but just had to comment – Grace is available to all – you just have to choose to accept it, and believe.
Chet Hempstead
Posted on November 4, 2011 at 4:57amIf it’s a temptation from the devil it’s not like any of the others. I’ve been tempted to lie and steal and commit acts of violence, and not done it because I am good (except for a normal amount of lying, though I’m not very good at it), but gay sex doesn’t tempt me at all, not because I’m good, but because I’m straight. Most of the gay people I have met seem are good people. None of the evil people I’ve known would be tempted to gay sex just because it’s a bad thing they haven’t done yet. The few evil people I know who would want to do it at all were gay long before they were evil. So I have to conclude that gay sex is not a sin. It’s just something people do because it’s the only kind of sex they enjoy, and nobody deserves to live a lonely and loveless life, just because somebody else read in some old book that they should .
Report Post »Darren
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:03am“the ultimate responsibility, on a theological level, is and should be imputed to the evil one, not God.””
I find this a very appropriate response to those who claim they are “born gay” but while I have this agreement with this statement, there is one spect of such a statement, as shared for this thread. If Satan is responsible for people beng gay, isn’t that saying that Satan has input into the creation of life? If so, to what extent of input would Dr. Avila propose Satan has in creating life?
My view is that God creates life and God has impart part of the creation tof life to man. Physical life is inherently imperfect and so I do think that there may be those who could have tendencies to be attracted to members of the same gender. However, I also believe that each person has a soul and tha ultimately how one chooses to excercise his ro her sexuality is a choice; not a predestined code which governs ones final sexual decisions.
Report Post »Leehweht
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:54amHow is it that LGBT people claim they are born that way, it is genetic or they have no control of it, yet someone who participates in bestiality or pedophilia is not? Why doesn’t anyone talk about “choices” and learned behavior and responses as laid out in any psychiatry book? OR … just plain sexual perversion?
Report Post »joe1234
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:03amI’ve wondered that myself….of course the gay advocates will NEVER answer that….
Report Post »clarity2199
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:03amGive it time. Eventually those groups will come out and claim the same and they have rights to be sickos, themselves. ;p
Report Post »Darren
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:15am“How is it that LGBT people claim they are born that way, it is genetic or they have no control of it, yet someone who participates in bestiality or pedophilia is not?”
Good question. Likewise, why do they not say that people are born anti-gay? (”Anti-gay” being distnict from non-gay). To me, if people are “born [to be] gay” then naturally peopl should also be brn to be anti-gay.
Report Post »rockmanlinux
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:51amLeviticus 18:22
King James Version (KJV)
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Report Post »Scalzo
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:49amNice! @DoS
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:01am@dose We are seperated from God because of Sin, therefore we face judgement, the Law is what Satan uses to condemn us and argue why we should not be spared and are not worthy of God’s glory. If you seek to justify your righteousness by appealing to a Holy God as if because of his law he can not be Holy, then you condemn yourself, the Law can not save you, Christ was sent to fullfill the law, nobody judges you, but you will be judged by what measure you judge, if you choose the law then the law you will get. Sin=Death, the lord wishes none to perish but sinners come to repent. I dont know what else to say to you, you would do better to read the whole Bible in context as opposed to what you are doing. May the lord open your eyes. Try reading the Gospel of John chapter 8. This is good reproof and correction for the foolish words you spout.
Report Post »JimL
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:05amThe intention of the physicians that bled Geo Washington were to heal the body?
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:07am@DOS – the old testament and the laws of Leviticus are old covenant. We are not bound by that in any way. All the requirements of those laws, both sacrificial and for purification were met by Christ. Although I am sure you don’t believe in any of it.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:14am@DOS – there is context to everything. I don’t have time to pick apart all of your statements, but I’ll take one. “7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?” That is not what it’s talking about. Context is needed here. You can’t just take a verse and pick it apart. You have to read around the verse and find context. In the old testament times, the priests would have to offer sacrifices for the sins of the peolple they represented. So the priests had to go through a type of cleansing, if you will. When Christ died for our sins, there was no longer a need for those sacrifices.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:19amjust FYI, Leviticus, is not “laws of God”. It was a guide for the times (by man)…
Report Post »during that time diseased pork would wipe out entire cities, so they made “rules” to follow to not “Get sick”… people owned slaves back then, so they had guides on how to treat them… people sacrificed back then, so they had guides for it… Leviticus is Strickly a “guide for the times”… it technically should be updated for today…
“Only invest in tangible assests.”, “Do not borrow at a variable rate intrest.”, etc… ;)
jb.kibs
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:22ambtw, the sight thing has to do with vision. it means do not approach the alter filled with emotions which will blind you from the truth. sight and vision are 2 seperate things. they are right, context is everything. you can ignore context all you want, it will just spiral you into ignorance.
Report Post »rockmanlinux
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:50amLeviticus 18:22 (King James Version)
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Leviticus 18:22
King James Version (KJV)
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Report Post »schmite123oh
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:08am@dos why do you love the Law? I tell you the truth, you love darkness and hate the Light for Jesus spoke of such like you. For the devil himself quoted scripture, and in the process contradicted himself.
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
You need to stop being wise in your own eyes. Pride was Satans downfall. May You seek the Lord’s Grace.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:08am@DOS – ONCE AGAIN – the old testament and the laws of Leviticus are old covenant. We are not bound by that in any way. All the requirements of those laws, both sacrificial and for purification were met by Christ. Although I am sure you don’t believe in any of it. What you are doing is taking it out of context to try to make a point, but it won’t work.
Report Post »TX_45_ACP
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:25am@DOS – Because, even though what he is referencing is old testament, he/she was truly trying his best to make a point and not use the scripture as purposefully take it out of context like you did …
Report Post »trying to twist the scripture to make your own points … and … Christ spoke of marriage between man and woman and made comparisons/references of homosexuality that were not positive by any meays. Now you pull out the bigot card as if you know me. Anyway, I wish I hard more time to feed the trolls. I love this site!
schmite123oh
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:28am@dose again, nobody can condemn anybody, that is the whole point, Only God cast judgement and he gave it to his Son, have you not read the whole bible or do you just read what suits your agenda?
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men. 42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Also read john chapter 8 regarding the adulterous woman.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Those last 4 words are key, sin no more, it does not mean we as truth believing christians dont point out sin, thats what the law does, identifies sin, God forbid we should try to justify sin and teach it to our fellow man.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:29ambecause same sex is not only mentioned in Leviticus, but throughout the entire bible. even in revelations.
Report Post »by faith
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:48amAnother day and more red meat for the anti-catholics from Billy Hallowey
Report Post »Darren
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:06amWithout taking issue on one side or the other, what leaves you with that impression?
Report Post »by faith
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:28amI have noticed Billy tends to write stories (this one not so much) with “shocking” titles and slanted stories that brings out the anti-catholic crowd.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:57amI thought it was aimed at the Anti Homosexual crowd.
Report Post »Darren
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:03amBy Faith;
I certainly hope that’s not the case. Halloway has posted on several different relgions from what I remember. Do you think that the sum of all his posts show a bias against Catholics/Catholicism?
Report Post »by faith
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 5:25pmgemologist
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:39am
yeah the catholic church is a joke
Cherynn
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 11:28am
Catholic church = worlds oldest, most corrupt political party.
Eliasim
Just a few examples…don’t believe me, check out some of his other stories. Here’s one:
Report Post »Minnesota Gay Marriage Amendment Causes Intense Debate Among Catholics…the “intense” debate was one man whose son was gay
by faith
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 5:36pmFloridaCracker
Report Post »Definatley not By Faith Alone. that is a lie invented by Martin Luther “while sitting on the lew in the tower”
rockmanlinux
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:44amUh, yeah, bible specifies is wrong several times. Leviticus 18:22 if I remember right is one of them. Satan’s biggest deception is making people believe people are “born this way” as Gaga sings.
Report Post »stockpicker
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:44amPerhaps we should think about “vessels for dishonor” and the concept of reprobation.
Report Post »Grasshopper42
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:42amFlip Wilson did say, “The devil made me do it”.
Report Post »Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 10:55amDang it! I Was going to put that!
Report Post »JimL
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 9:42amOrigin of sin- Genetic? Spiritual?
Report Post »Chet Hempstead
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 1:39pmOrigin of belief this is a sin – Divine? Fraudulent? Delusional?
Report Post »JimL
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 3:15pmFledglings hopping on faith and then reason, and then faith, and then…
Imago
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on November 3, 2011 at 6:07pmOf course the Devil make sin look attractive. If the Catholic church didn‘t attract so many homosexuals the the ministry then they wouldn’t have had the problems that have plagued them recently.
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