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Catholics Worldwide Celebrate Beatification of Pope John Paul II

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Benedict XVI beatified Pope John Paul II before 1.5 million faithful in St. Peter’s Square and surrounding streets Sunday, moving the beloved former pontiff one step closer to possible sainthood.

The crowd in Rome and in capitals around the world erupted in cheers, tears and applause as an enormous photo of a young, smiling John Paul was unveiled over the loggia of St. Peter’s Basilica and a choir launched into hymn long associated with the Polish-born pope.

“He restored to Christianity its true face as a religion of hope,” Benedict said in his homily, referring to John Paul’s decisive role in helping bring down communism. Benedict dotted his remarks with personal recollections of a man he came to “revere” during their near-quarter century working together.

Beatification is the first major milestone on the path to possible sainthood, one of the Catholic Church’s highest honors. A second miracle attributed to John Paul’s intercession is needed for him to be canonized.

The beatification, the fastest in modern times, is a morale boost for a church scarred by the sex abuse crisis, but it has also triggered a new wave of anger from victims because the scandal occurred under John Paul’s 27-year watch.

Police placed wide swaths of Rome even miles (kilometers) from the Vatican off limits to private cars to ensure security for the estimated 16 heads of state, eight prime ministers and five members of European royal houses attending.

Helicopters flew overhead, police boats patrolled the nearby Tiber River and some 5,000 uniformed troops manned police barricades to ensure priests, official delegations and those with coveted VIP passes could get to their places amid the throngs of pilgrims.

Spain’s Crown Prince Felipe and Princess Letizia, wearing a black lace “mantilla,” mingled with Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi, Poland’s historic Solidarity leader and former President Lech Walesa and Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe, who sidestepped an EU travel ban to attend.

“He went all over the world,” said Bishop Jean Zerbo of Bamako, Mali, who came to Rome for the ceremony. “Today, we’re coming to him.”

Vendors hawked John Paul trinkets: bottle openers, key chains, cushions, calendars and T-shirts.

Benedict put John Paul on the fast-track for possible sainthood when he dispensed with the traditional five-year waiting period and allowed the beatification process to begin weeks after his April 2, 2005, death. Benedict was responding to chants of “Santo Subito!“ or ”Sainthood Immediately” which erupted during John Paul’s funeral.

On Sunday, a group of pilgrims from Krakow affixed a banner to a fence outside the square that said “Santo Subito,” evidence that for many of the faithful, John Paul already is a saint.

“John Paul was a wonderful man and it’s a privilege to be here. It’s wonderful to see people from all across the world,” said Anne Honiball, 48, a nursing home administrator from Worthing, England who carried a small Union Jack flag.

“We missed the royal wedding but we are Catholics and this was a bit more important, I suppose,” said Honiball, a former Protestant who converted to Catholicism 10 years ago.

Around the world, Catholics celebrated the beatification, jamming churches from Mexico to Australia to pray and watch broadcasts of the Rome Mass on television.

“He was a model and an inspiration who united the world with his extraordinary charisma,” said John Paul Bustillo, a 16-year-old medical student named after the pontiff who turned out Sunday along with more than 3,000 for a six-mile (10-kilometer) race followed by a Mass near Manila Bay in the Philippines.

In John Paul’s native Poland, tens of thousands of people gathered in rain in a major sanctuary in Krakow and in Wadowice, where the pontiff was born in 1920 as Karol Wojtyla. Prime Minister Donald Tusk and his wife Malgorzata watched the ceremony together with Wadowice residents.

“I wonder what we would have been like and what would not have happened if we had not had our pope,” the PAP agency quoted Tusk as saying. “All that good that we all have received is still working.”

Speaking in Latin, Benedict pronounced John Paul “Blessed” shortly after the start of the Mass, held under bright blue skies and amid a sea of Poland’s red and white flags — a scene reminiscent of John Paul’s 2005 funeral, when some 3 million people paid homage to the pope.

Benedict recalled that day six years ago, saying the grief the world felt then was tempered by immense gratitude for his life and pontificate.

“Even then, we perceived the fragrance of his sanctity,” Benedict said, explaining the “reasonable haste” with which John Paul was being honored.

Benedict said that through John Paul’s faith, courage and strength — “the strength of a titan, a strength which came to him from God” — John Paul had turned back the seemingly “irreversible” tide of Marxism.

“He rightly reclaimed for Christianity that impulse of hope which had in some sense faltered before Marxism and the ideology of progress,” Benedict said.

After the nearly 3-hour Mass, Benedict prayed before John Paul’s coffin inside St. Peter’s Basilica, which was expected to stay open through the night and for as long as it takes to accommodate the throngs of faithful who want to pay their respects.

The sealed coffin will ultimately be moved to a side chapel inside the basilica just next to Michelangelo’s famous marble “Pieta” statue.

Police put the figure of those attending the Mass at 1.5 million; only a few hundred thousand could fit into St. Peter’s Square and the surrounding streets but others watched it on some of the 14 huge TV screens set up around town or listened to it on radios in Polish or Italian.

“I am disappointed but also happy to be here for the atmosphere,” said Boleslaw Wisniewski, 83, who came with five members of his family by bus from Warsaw. He stood listening to the music drifting over the packed crowd, but could see nothing.

“He’s our holy father — a Pole — and we are proud,” he said.

During the Mass, Benedict received a silver reliquary holding a vial of blood taken from John Paul during his final hosptalization. The relic, a key feature of beatification ceremonies, will be available for the faithful to venerate.

It was presented to him by Sister Tobiana, the Polish nun who tended to John Paul throughout his pontificate, and Sister Marie Simone-Pierre of France, whose inexplicable recovery from Parkinson’s disease was decreed to be the miracle necessary for John Paul to be beatified.

Thousands of pilgrims, many of them from John Paul’s native Poland, spent the night in sleeping bags on bridges and in piazzas around town, and then packed St. Peter’s as soon as the barricades opened over an hour in advance because the crowds were too great.

They stood shoulder-to-shoulder on the main boulevard leading to the Vatican, Via della Conciliazione, as well as on side streets around it and the bridges crossing the Tiber leading to St. Peter’s waving flags from Argentina, Germany, Britain and Lebanon.

It’s the fastest beatification on record, coming just six years after John Paul died and beating out the beatification of Mother Teresa by a few days.

The beatification ceremonies kicked off officially with a all-night prayer vigil that began Saturday on Rome’s ancient Circus Maximus field and continued as pilgrims moved around eight churches that stayed open all night, a “white night” of prayer in honor of the late pope.

“The weather is mild and so it will not be a problem to pass the night here, and there is also a very nice atmosphere,” said Pauline Rosenfeld, a 20-year-old pilgrim from Paris sitting with friends in her sleeping bag gearing up for a night spent outdoors.

The beatification is taking place despite a drumbeat of criticism about the record speed with which John Paul is being honored, and continued outrage about clerical abuse: Many of the crimes and cover-ups of priests who raped children occurred on John Paul’s 27-year watch.

Vatican officials have insisted that John Paul deserves beatification despite the fallout from the abuse scandal, saying the saint-making process isn’t a judgment of how he administered the church but rather whether he lived a life of Christian virtue.

But victims’ groups such as the U.S. Survivors Network for Those Abused by Priests have said the speedy beatification was just “rubbing more salt in these wounds” of victims.

Rome itself seemed invaded by Poles overjoyed that their native son was being honored. Special trains, planes and buses shuttled Poles in for the beatification.

Anna Fotyga, a former Polish foreign minister and member of Poland’s parliament, arrived on a special train Sunday morning carrying the Polish parliamentary delegation. She reminisced about John Paul’s impact on communist Poland in the late 1970s and 80s.

“I was a student at that time, and actually seeing him, listening to him started transformation in Poland, I am sure,” she said.

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Associated Press writer Daniela Petroff in Vatican City, Jim Gomez in Manila, Philippines and Monika Scislowska in Warsaw contributed.

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  • Sinista MACE
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:02pm

    I never worshipped the Pope, and I’m not about to start today.

    He is not, has not been, and willl never be, Jesus Christ on Earth.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:41pm

      So true, not to mention he heads up the worlds oldest contineous religeous/ socialist form of governance, 1367 years and counting. He once ruled all the known world, He is behind those who would have a New World Order, Global Government today, and American “daughter” church’s shall cause the whole world to follow after her. Obama and socialism will seemingly fail, but the backlash from the so called religious right will propel us into our Lords return. It must play out this way, GOD has written it down in Revelations 13.

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  • ThoreauHD
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:01pm

    I liked him, but Vatican II with that guy turned into some sick stuff. We had pagans using Catholic Churches for services. Hindu’s to be specific. All with the blessing of Vatican II and Mr Happy up there. That did not sit well with Catholic. You guys loved him because he was nice to everyone- and that was the problem.

    Luckily we have a Benedictine at the post now. You don’t hear about this stuff anymore. He‘s the most hard line Catholic we have and he isn’t hanging out all day for photo opportunities. He’s doing his job. I’m sure both are lovely men, but being lovely has nothing to do with holding the line against evil. I fault John Paul for some of that. Benedict for less. But in the end it‘s the individual’s choices that matter. You can’t blame somebody else for the judgment that falls on you.

    The Church is simply a guide established by Jesus the Christ. This makes protestants upset, denying up and down that it’s true, but then again they weren’t there. We were. I’d like a religion based on stuff I made up too. Wouldn’t that be nice. But Peter didn’t have to do that.

    And if I have to explain that the Pope is the vicar of Christ on Earth, and that Saints are people that come to your aid in the physical world, and that the virgin Mary is a mediator with her son, and that the apostles creed doesn’t work in protestant churches, then it’s going to be a long story.

    When you look at history, you must ask, what is a thing in and of itself? What is the source. If I believed in Jehovah and that the Torah was frozen in time, with none of it’s prophecies coming true, then I would be a Jew. Not a protesting Jew. Not a Jew that kinda sorta wants to get Jewy with it. I would be a Jew- because that’s the source of what I believe. They were there. If some jackhole from a recently discovered land selling snake oil from a traveling carnie show wasn’t there.

    This is about faith, hope, and love. Stat Crux dum Volvitur Orbis. But you have to know what Stat means to know you aren’t being spun around in the first place. Here is a summary.

    I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:25pm

      The apostles did not even write what is called the “Apostles creed,”It came long after their deaths.There is only ONE mediator (not Miriam,or Mary, she was in the upper room too, and filled with the sprirt, otherwise she would have been lost) The Apostles warned that after their deaths, the gospel would be perverted.He was so right.If the apostles were here today preaching the orininal gospel they would get thrown out of most all churches.

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  • Catholic_Patriot
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:44am

    And finally, it‘s good to see that the majority of this thread has stayed on the topic of John Paul II’s Beatification instead of descending into personal assertions of the Reality of God.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:17pm

      We are to messure all things with the Word.Many catholic traditions directly violate the word.

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  • BOMUSTGO
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:40am

    8. Turning the Passover meal into communion is a violation of scripture.
    9. The term “Easter” is from the fertility goddess Ishtar worshipped by pagans.
    10. The birth of Christ was not Dec 25th.(Christ was born on the Feast of Tabernacles which falls around the months of Sept/Oct on the Biblical Calendar)
    11. The teaching that the Mass actually turns the wafer and the wine into
    the body and blood of Christ is heresy.
    12. Confessing sins to a Priest and asking him to forgive you is
    contrary to the scriptures.1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he
    is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us
    from all unrighteousness.
    13. The teaching of purgatory is unbiblical.
    14. The Pope is the “Vicar of Christ” (meaning; Christ on Earth) is a man-made teaching.
    15. Praying the Rosary is not Biblical.
    16. Praying to Saints is unfounded in the scripture.(True believers are the Saints according to the Bible.)
    17. Changed the Hebrew Lunar calendar to the Pagan Gregorian solar calendar.
    18. Christ was not crucified on a Friday. The resurrection was on Nisan 17, a Sunday. Christ was crucified before Passover, which is the 14th of Nisan according to Leviticus chapter 23.If Sunday was Nisan 17th (Feast of first fruits, as the Bible declares Christ to be the first fruits of the resurrection, Passover would have been on a Wednesday evening as that would be the 14th of Nisan. This would allow three days and nights in the grave which Friday to Sunday morning don’t seem to add up to three full days and nights.
    (April 2009 Calendar, the Gregorian days line up with the Biblical Calendar as they did nearly 2000 years ago.) Funny, nobody will pay attention. People seem to be happy living under lies. It pays to have a basic understanding of the Biblical calendar and the real Holy Days as GOD has declared in the scripture.
    19. Rome claims to be the one true church and that there is no salvation outside of her. The RCC came about around 325 A.D. This is two centuries after the day of Pentecost when the true church started (Acts 2:1-4) .The RCC does not teach the Apostle’s doctrine at all (Acts 2:37-42). Rome has persecuted the true believers and perverted the teachings.

    These are but only a few false teachings developed from Rome. Most of these traditions are from mixing Pagan teachings and giving them Christian names and themes.
    Jesus warns us about the traditions of man in Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. We are admonished to earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints (Jude 3) and the 16 examples above were not delivered to us by the Apostles. Paul even wrote twice in
    Galations 1:8,9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    As we said bef

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  • BOMUSTGO
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:33am

    1. Rome changed the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday.( The Jews to this day observe the proper day)
    2. Peter was not a Pope and he had a wife. Luke 4:38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon’s house. And Simon‘s wife’s mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her. ( Simon is Peter.Luke 6:14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, )

    3. The teaching that ministers are not to marry is in error.1 Tim 4:1-3 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1 Tim 3:1-5 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) This is why many are molested by these people.
    5. The Priest are called Father regardless of what Jesus spoke. Matt 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
    6. Graven images and bowing before them. Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
    7. The teaching that Mary was a perpetual virgin and without original sin is in direct contradiction to the scriptures. Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.(The word “knew” means to know someone in a sexual way.) She had other sons and daughters that were not miraculously conceived as Christ was. Galations 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.
    Matthew 13:55,56 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? She had to offer up a sin offering after the birth of Christ. Luke 2:22-24 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the

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    • proliance
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:14pm

      1. The early Christian did start worshiping on Sunday instead of Saturday, but it was before Jesus called Peter the rock on which he would build his church (and granted him the keys the the kingdom of heaven.) So the Catholic Church did not change the Sabbath, it was already changed.

      I can correct you on all of your statements, so please another one. The first was too easy.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 5:05pm

      PROLIANCE

      Once again, do your research. The Sabbath was changed by Constantine.
      In the biblical days a day was reconed from sundown to sundown. The first of the week would start at Saturday evening at sundown.Constantine was a sun worshipper that is why your wafer god is shaped like a disc.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 5:53pm

      Why didn’t the popes preach the same doctine for salvation as Peter???

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  • BOMUSTGO
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:29am

    There are so many false teachings from Rome, which clearly contradict the scriptures. Maybe that is why they don’t want their people to read the word? As an X-Catholic and Spirit filled believer and lover and seeker of truth I feel the need to expose Some of the erroneous man-made teachings. Note: Many of these teachings have Been carried over into Protestant churches making them partakers in error and daughters of the harlot. Rome is the harlot in the book of Revelation.Revelation 17:1-4 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore (A woman is always symbolic to a religion in scripture. ) that sitteth upon many waters (waters is symbolic of people according to Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. ): With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
    So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy (her doctrines are in direct violation to the word of God), having seven heads and ten horns.(the seven heads are the seven hills which Rome sits upon.)
    And the woman was arrayed in purple (Note: Bishops wear purple and Cardinals wear scarlet) and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Babylon means confusion. Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth . (Note: The Vatican sits on seven hills)

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  • dinadp
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:56am

    My maternal grandparents were from Poland & I remember how emotional my grandmother became when Karol Wojtyła became Pope John Paul II. She was ecstatic when he visited out city in 1984 & my mum brought her participate in his procession. On September 11, I was one of 55,000 people in attendance at the youth rally. It was incredible. A family friend had an audience with the Pope at the Vatican and the photo still sits proudly at my parent’s. I think he is one of the best things to have happened to the Catholic Church in recent history and he will remain a tough act to follow.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:33am

      My grandma went to Rome too then, small world. I liked John Paul, from what I could see and read he truely cared for humanity. Ratzinger, I’m not so sure.
      I was born and raised catholic, first holy, confirmation, CCD, the whole enchilada. Had an unfortunate encounter with a priest, that caused my heart to leave GOD as well as Catholicism. I’m a bible only Christian today, have a great church home, but if it‘s not in scripture then I don’t listen, and I read scripture three times a day and have for years. Believer in Christ Jesus are everywhere, in all different names over doorways.

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  • raydg
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:45am

    When I was Protestant, I had hugh respect for the Holy Father and when I was received into the Orhtodox Church, my respect for him remianed very high. Orthodoxs Christians have high respect for him. May God bless him and his memory

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  • supertas
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:40am

    I don’t have to prove anything. The proof is in the historical record. Don’t let fallible men, yes some priests, distract from God’s word. Look , don’t mean to insult, but each person’ faith is personal. It is aquired in many differant ways and experiences. If you don’t believe, why comment. If people want to believe in pink unicorns or faries, that’s their business. I’m not going to ask them to prove it or disprove it. If you were right smack in the middle of an atheist convention and the Blaze reported on it, I would leave it alone and move on. Maybe your need to comment and and have us prove our faith is God’s way of speaking to you. Don’t fight it. He works in wondrous ways. I encourage you to check it out.

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:56am

      supertas -said
      “If you don’t believe, why comment. If people want to believe in pink unicorns or faries, that’s their business.”
      Yes, but people who believe in Pink Unicorns don’t want their beliefs plastered on public property. They don’t require young impressionable children to pledge a belief in Pink Unicorns. “In Pink Unicorns we trust” doesn’t appear on currency. The believers of Pink Unicorns don’t attempt to force their beliefs on others on the street corner.
      By now you must get the idea why I comment here on Christian’s beliefs.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:19am

      @atheist
      Your correct, I’ve yet to see a unicorn believer ever preach on a street corner. But I can always find a secular humanist like you everywhere I look, preaching, pushing, and arguing your human serving rhetoric down everyones throats, By far and away you bare the most quilt in what you yourself say others do, typical and shameless, and not critical thinking whatsoever.

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:40am

      BetterDays said -
      Your correct, I’ve yet to see a unicorn believer ever preach on a street corner. But I can always find a secular humanist like you everywhere I look, preaching, pushing, and arguing your human serving rhetoric down everyones throats …
      I don’t know where you live, but I’ve lived many places and never once had a “secular humanist” try to preach to me. But even if they did, the amount of religious people trying to jamb this ridiculous fiction down people’s throats is FAR AND AWAY a bigger group. Not even close pal.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:12pm

      @atheist
      Why are you screaming?
      Denial, an atheist tool, would I expect a critical thinker to be capable of going past their fears, not an atheistic one. I’m done here. GOD bless, enjoy your day.

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  • TOPOFTHEGAME
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:35am

    Want to SEE and HEAR what Soros and Obama are doing inside the CatholicChurch…………………….. http://www.realcatholictv.com/cia Episode #2

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:42am

      Rules for Radicals is the title of the book, A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals, by Saul Alinsky. He’s no longer alive, but his work lives on. Here is Saul Alinsky’s dedication to his own book: “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer

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  • Dudley Do-Right
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:29am

    Matthew 16

    And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

    Yep, pedophile priests have infiltrated our church. Estimates are about 6% of them have been convicted of pedophilia. With over a billion Catholics worldwide, that leaves us with 94% of good, God loving priests! And yes, some priests administer the Eucharist to baby killing democrats. But remember this…Matthew 16 tells us the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it! In other words, the church will prevail against Satan who’s also infiltrated our church and trying to destroy her.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:12am

      From the dead sea scrolls, translated from the Aramaic, Peter = Petras, which in Aramaic means small stone, or pebble. Jesus, Yeshua = Petra, which in Aramaic means Large rock, bolder, and praise.
      Jesus, and our stated believe in his sacrifice for our sin, is the foundation of the Christian church. In Matthew, Jesus was only confirming that Peter had indeed been given the correct answer to whom Jesus is, by the Spirit of GOD, and told Peter that it was upon this GOD given truth that Jesus is indeed the Son of GOD, that Jesus’s followers would base their faith upon. Jesus was not telling Peter ( the pebble ) that he, Peter would be the founder of anything. As GOD says in His Word ” my people perish for lack of knowledge .”.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:22am

      Peter was not a pope, He was married,The ROCK is declaring that Jesus is the Son of GOD.Please explain the bowing before graven images? Peter would have nothing to do with such a practice. Don’t say you are not worshipping the image and it just is a representation of the one you are praying to.The pagans that worshipped their grave images would tell you the same thing.Sprinkling is not baptism or the scripture would have used the Greek word “Rantizo” instead of Baptizo.I am not against catholics, I am against all the many many false doctrines.

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:04pm

      The Bible makes it clear that Christ established the Church as a teaching organization to speak to the world in His name and with His authority. The Church was to teach men whatsoever He had taught – nothing more and nothing less: “All power is given to Me in heaven and earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:18-20). Christ placed on all men the obligation of hearing His Church as they would hear Himself: “He that heareth you, heareth Me” (Luke 10:16); “Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned” (Mark 16:15-16). He promised to be with the Church and guide it until the end of time: “And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world” (Matthew 28:20). He sent the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of infallible truth, upon the Apostles and their successors in order that they might be illumined and assisted in the work of continuing the teaching mission of God’s own Son.

      I’ll remember you in my Rosary today…God Bless

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    • LibertyGirl
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:36pm

      Betterdays – you have your “talking points” incorrect. The translation that you are really talking about is from Latin. Try as you may to spew hatred for Catholics, we will not return in kind. That is not how I, as a Catholic, learned for Jesus, the Bible, or my Church.

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    • DLG123
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 11:47am

      BetterDays…
      Jesus never spoke Greek or Latin he Spoke Aramaic. In Aramaic there is only 1 word for rock. While in Greek there is 2 Petra and Petras… Petra is the femanine of the two. So when the NT authors where translating into Greek the made the noun in the correct form. Peter was not a woman so you would not equate the female form of the noun.
      Furthermore at Ceseara Phillipi there is still today a giant rock… In the time of Christ and the Apostles on top of the rock was a church to the god pan and a statue of ceasar whoi thought of himself as a god. This is where Christ is telling Peter that you are the rock on which I will build My Church…

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  • supertas
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:51am

    @Liberal Atheist

    “Hundreds of millions have had faith in this for the last 2000 years.”
    That‘s why it’s called FAITH. We choose to believe in God. We choose to have faith. It’s not for you to decide that if we have faith, it makes God real or not. Your trying way to hard to be that thinker you want to be, and coming off as an moron. WATCHMANY2K is eating your lunch. As for the priests, just because they put on the collar, doesn’t make them a priest.. A pedophile is a pedophile. If I put an idiot suit on you, it doesn’t make you an……wait, bad example. My point in all of this is your arguments are juvenile. Maybe your a juvenile, I don’t know. Now hurry up those basement stairs, you‘re mommy’s calling.

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    • quicker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:54am

      Hey that Joe Bidden His hair plugs are hurting his brain

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:06am

      supertas said -
      “That‘s why it’s called FAITH. We choose to believe in God. We choose to have faith. It’s not for you to decide that if we have faith, it makes God real or not.”
      Try this on for size -
      “That‘s why it’s called FAITH. We choose to believe in Pink Unicorns. We choose to have faith. It’s not for you to decide that if we have faith, it makes Pink Unicorns real or not.
      See? The claim is the same. Are Pink Unicorns real becasue you have faith in them? It’s the responsibility of the claimant to prove their point. YOU have the burden of proof for your claims. Until then, I have no reason to accept your claims as true. Pink Unicorns, deities, leprechauns, fairies – all claims that have no basis in fact.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:10am

      The RCC started around 325 A.D. It has not been 2000 years. The RCC killed many true believers.She has the blood of true sints on her hands. Peter would not allow the true saints to bow before graven images.

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    • Catholic_Patriot
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:24am

      @ Liberal Atheist: You believe in Pink Unicorns !?!

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:02am

      @atheist
      Sly, but unfounded. A believer need not defend GOD, a believer need only confess with his mouth and believe in in heart, before man, that Jesus died for our sin and rose again. Wether or not you chose to believe a believer is entirely up to you, but we are under no obligation to prove GOD, it is eneough that HE IS, if you aren’t satisfied with that, go complain to GOD. Better yet still, pray to GOD that in your unbelief, that HE, GOD will show you personally that HE, GOD is real? GOD proves himself.

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:36am

      BetterDays,

      All you’ve done is make a series of baseless claims. no more or less valid than if I claimed an alien ship landed in my backyard or that Bush caused 911. Until you provide evidence for your claims that can stand up under scrutiny, you might as well be writing a fictional novel.

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:07pm

      @atheist
      What is baseless to you is factual for me.
      Prove GOD for yourself, as for me I am fully satisfied in His reality.
      Or can you be satisfied by the answers GOD has already given you, no, they are mere coincidence?
      no, my friend, I do feel for you, but you must work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. No truth that I nor anyone here could speak past the hurt you blame on GOD, you must.

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  • Konacow
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:46am

    The “catholics” need to read the BIBLE (GOD’S WORD) and find out how wrong they are, the BIBLE states “CHRISTIANS ARE THE SAINTS”. It’s time the “catholics” denounced their religion and accept JESUS CHRIST as their personal LORD and SAVIOR, then you will become a CHRISTIAN and follow the teachings of JESUS CHRIST and not the teachings of the “catholic church”. By doing this you will recieve eternal life with JESUS CHRIST, and live in peace forever, Amen !!!

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    • boogeo
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:46am

      My God is better than your God!!

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    • mycomet123
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:02pm

      From my understanding ot it we were all pretty much united as Christians for 1,000 years than the Church split into two rites which are now known as the Catholic latin rite & the Catholic Orthodox rite. Than in the 1500′s Martin Luther split & formed the Lutheran denominations & we have been dividing ever sense. Does anyone have a quess as too how many denominations we have now??. There has got to be at least a new denomination created everyday. Satan loves division. Perhaps we should start using some of this energy to find ways to UNITE. God Bless!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

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    • Love_Small_Dogs
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:11pm

      I would like to join Terry Jones‘ church but it’s too far away. He rocks.

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    • DLG123
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 11:21am

      Scriptures where the word Christian is used? Also where is it said “Personal Lord and Savior”? I have never read that before… Also where does the Bible say that the Bible (Solo Scriptura) is the final source? I will give you a hint… IT DOESN’T

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  • supertas
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:51am

    Liberal Atheist, absolutely those two words go hand in hand. But then add Critical Thinker and I’m LMFAO. Go back to your Obama alter you f…ing moron. Pope John Paul was the man.

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    • quicker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:52am

      Now you need to show Joe Bidden just a little respect,After all it`s not easy to think with those hair plug inbeded in ones brain.

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  • cnerd
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:50am

    Normally it takes a long time to reach the status of beatification. Time is moving quickly….things are happening fast. John Paul was a powerful political as well as spiritual leader in world politics. i wonder as a Catholic how much time is left for my faith to survive since it is under MAJOR attack by progressive forces.By the way, I still believe.

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:53am

      As I pointed out above, John Paul II with all his wonderful qualities nevertheless presided over a veritable torrent of beatifications and canonizations–more than all popes since the 16th century.
      Catholics should be concerned that, by promoting “saint inflation,” he may have devalued sainthood. Same as with printing unchecked floods of money.

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  • teddrunk
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:46am

    Instead of trying to make another saint, perhaps the Catholic Church could get around to culling their membership rolls of American Catholics, especially politicians, that support the human massacre that Democrats call “choice”.

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:54am

      Or removing the Priests that rape young innocent boys? I wonder where their god’s guidance is during the actual rape of the child?

      If they were allowed to be married it would go a long way towards satisfying their sexual desires – but that doesn’t excuse the rapes by any means.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:07am

      @ liberal
      Talk about logical fallacies… marriage does NOT stop a pedophile.

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:17am

      Where did I say it would stop it?

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    • teddrunk
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:35am

      Liberal with the big mouth, the reprehensible priest thing is easy pickings, low fruit per say. I’m after even bigger game, baby killers, No comment regarding that Mr. Liberal? Don’t bother commenting to me about the priest thing until you comment about the Catholic Church allowing baby destroying Democrats to remain sacrament receiving members.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:39am

      You obviously need to think and educate your self on pedophilia.
      Neither marriage nor having “normal” sex abates their urge to commit.
      Your use of marriage is totally misplaced as it has no bearing in pedophilia.
      You were just trying to point out another area where you disagree with the church and using pedophilia to defend your argument against chastity.
      ..er WRONG…

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:42am

      You really are drunk – what’s worse, not ever having lived (having a blank mind that can’t experience grief or humiliation) or going through life scarred from being raped by an adult priest?

      It’s open to debate my friend.

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    • psst
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:50am

      Watch said @ liberal
      Talk about logical fallacies… marriage does NOT stop a pedophile

      Um Neither does it stops rape, or murder.In fact it’s not only RC Priests who have fallen from grace.
      preachers of many other denonomination have done so.Through out history.
      I know of where a Baptist preacher opened a Church and the children were used as sex slaves, w/ adult members of the congregation participating . I am not singling out Baptist ( I am just listing an example that I personally know about, the preacher is still in jail) here, because most other religions have also had similiar behaviours /experiences
      It’s just that the RC Church makes for bigger news for the anti-religion crowd, (the MSM)
      Libs only wants to babble BS and many of them brags about their critical thinking skills.

      Men (includes women) are only human. None of us are perfect, all have sinned . Wearing a priestly robe or preaching in a Church from a pulpit does not insulate One from temptations and following through /acting out the desires. Whether hetero or ****.
      It’s amazing libs/socialists/communists sees nothing wrong w/ RPP/R (race pimp preachers/reverends) like Unca Jesse and Al (BTW where is their Church or which Semminary they attended) shaking down companies.
      Rev (?) Al Instigating his followers to burn down Korean stores.or making Tawana accuse white policemen of raping her.
      Or. Rev (?) Jesse making a love child w/ an employee, then moving her to Cal. to live in style using shakedown $$, probably taxpayers $$.
      The communists uproar about all this is downright deafening. What about Soetoro preecha preaching hating America and white America?
      Communists/leftists are only concerned about queer Catholic Priests. They openly approve (celebrates) queer priests of other religion who promotes queer marriages, and who/whom are queer themselves.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:53am

      There we go, the debate is lost and decends into insults.
      Typical liberal.

      So you don’t sound so ignorant in future, go to the library and read a book on pedophilia.
      it is all about power and control, and little to DO with sex.
      The sex is defined as deviant behavior in pedophilia cases.

      again, your argument that marriage will “satisfy their sexual desires” is WRONG.
      even somewhat satisfying… Case in point Incest…
      you need to rethink your “critical thinking”

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:00am

      So having sex with a woman doesn‘t help satisfy a man’s sexual desires – a man who by idiotic religious regulations cannot get married or have sex?

      You don’t have a clue sir. Your comments are simply biased to reflect your desire to shield religions from the irreparable harm they do to people and society, and young children.

      Shame on you sir, shame on you.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:16am

      I shield no one.

      You are purposely confusing normal sex, and that it has anything to do with pedophilia, to support your religion bashing agenda.

      You should be ashamed in stating that pedophilia could be reduced by deviants having normal sex.

      Your words betray your ignorance of the subject.
      maybe instead of “thinking”, your should read….

      As for me, I believe the pedophile should be handed at least a life sentence for a single occurance.
      There is no cure.
      The average pedophile has close to 300 victims before they are caught…

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    • proliance
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:28am

      @BOmustgo: Does the protestant church have blood on its hands for murdering priests after outlawing Catholicism and stealing its property?

      “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.” I believe that was about 33 AD, not 325 AD.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:46am

      @ted
      In fact the church IS having a heated debate on pro-choice communicants.

      I have to agree with the priest who commented on the young boy who had CP and not allowed to have his first communion. The priest said in so many words, let them receive, and god does the rest.

      If a Catholic is voting pro-choice, I don’t see that being barred from communion will prevent them from still voting. The Church loses both ways, in public opinion, not that, that should matter.
      God sifts it all out in the end anyway….

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  • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:20am

    Pure, utter silliness – gimmicks to satisfy the “customers” of this ridiculous waste of time faith. Think of the time and money utterly wasted on these acts of delusion and the entire Catholic “corporation”. Very, very sad that humanity falls into the trap that the religious mind-control virus of religious inculcation causes.

    Enjoy your lives of delusion.

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    • Catholic_Patriot
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:28am

      Feel better?

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:31am

      Yes, do you?

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    • Catholic_Crusader
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:34am

      Yeah, that is a loooong post, you wasted your percius time on!

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    • Gr8ful1jim
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:36am

      I pray for anyone with so much pent up anger. May God’s light shine one day in your heart.

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:43am

      I didn’t waste my time at all. I‘m commenting more for the thousands of people reading these comments that don’t register. That’s the crowd I am after more than you all. As long as my comments are in the record I will reach people who really do not believe this nonsense and want to come out. They can go to my forum for support. If anyone here does the same thing, then so much the better, but I doubt that any of you can shed the religious mind-virus that permeates your brains. You have to understand critical thinking, which seems to be a lacking component of most of what I read from others.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:48am

      Hundreds of millions have had faith in this for the last 2000 years.
      Some are convinced and even when given the choice of renounciation and living or
      remaining faithful and being executed, chose death.
      What are YOU willing to Die for ?

      If you’re right, we both end up dead thru the eons.
      If I am right, I’ll miss your wonderful conversation….

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:56am

      watchmany2k -

      Your comment is chock so full of logical fallacies I can barely stop from laughing at it..

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:03am

      ok, point out ONE

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    • Bjorn_Frei
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:10am

      Hey,Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker:
      I read this whole thred and by my count, there are lots of people criticizing you! That PROVES we have critical thinkers! Smarty!
      PS, Catholic_Patriot, I really do admire your Clint Eastwood picture, can you explain haow I can get one?

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    • Liberal_Atheist_Critical_Thinker
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:20am

      watchmany2K said -
      “ok, point out ONE”
      OK, take this statement -
      “Hundreds of millions have had faith in this for the last 2000 years.”
      That is a logical fallacy. The amount of people that believe in a thing has no bearing on whether the thing is true or false. It’s completely irrelevant to the truth.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:02am

      I did not use the “hundreds of millions” as evidence it was true, That they were willing to die for it says they believed it was true.

      I stand by my comments, if you are right, oh well
      if I am right, eternity is a LONG time…

      Your comment: “I‘m commenting more for the thousands of people reading these comments that don’t register. That’s the crowd I am after more than you all. ”

      I have to wonder what “truth” you think is worthy of their time…
      I think it is more hatred of religion, than truth…
      misery loves company
      and liberals are in a miserable time, just wait until 2012…LOL

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    • Bjorn_Frei
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:26am

      Yeah, just wait until 2012 (that will shut you up for a HOLE YEAR! Checxmate!) Yeah!

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:50am

      @atheist
      For such a critical thinker I‘m surprised that you don’t exhibit that trait you lay claim to. By that I infer that you yourself serve a belief system, and that service in and of itself is a form of worship. For worship is noting more than service to any belief, in your case a belief in yourself, or humanism. BTW secular humanism was determined to be a religion/ belief system by the Supreme Court in 1961 Torasco vs, Williams, proponents of your religion have tried unsuccessfully on four occasions to have that opinion overturned.
      You make great pains to decry the foolishness of religions, yet you yourself blindly serve one. And that my friend is a serious lack of critical thinking.

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    • TheGreyPiper
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:15pm

      Let’s try and ignore the trolls, huh? In the case of really nasty posts, just report them. They’re like park pigeons, feeding them only encourages and makes them bolder.

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    • vennoye
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 5:05pm

      TheGreyPiper
      Great Line!!!! Made me laugh today :-)

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  • rflaaskog
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:16am

    Psalm 116:15: “‘Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.’
    A Saint is a Follower of Christ, in the Body of Christ, If you are a Christian, have asked Jesus Christ to forgive you of your sins, have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you are a saint.
    You are in The Body of Christ, waiting for His return.

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  • Catholic_Patriot
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:11am

    Or hopes and prayers are with you, John Paul II. Please remember us as we remember you! Peace be with you!

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  • Gr8ful1jim
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:51am

    On course to Sainthood. Fitting recognition for one of the greatest men to ever hold the position of Pope. God Bless You JPII.

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  • Wilbur D Pig
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:50am

    I’m not a Catholic, but I have to admire him as a good model of the faithful. To all my Catholic friends, take heart in knowing that he was universally respected.

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    • InterestCapital
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:57am

      Thank you, Wilbur; on behalf of all Catholics, may God bless you always.

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    • InterestCapital
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:01am

      Oh, and I’m Cuban too. Love the profile pic. That SOB imprisoned my Grandfather for 25 years.

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    • LibertyGirl
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:32pm

      Thank you Wilbur. Your comment is very much appreciated.

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  • CatholiConservative
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:41am

    Yay jpii

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  • Hobo Boondocks
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:39am

    Has anyone noticed that the scandals associated with priest pedophilia cases have not been allowed to touch the former Pope John Paul? Is it because he was on the fast track to sainthood? Whatever he knew and when he knew it could be denied by the group presently occupying the Vatican to protect his image. By not dealing with this forthrightly, only shifting pedophiles from one place to another, not getting rid of child molester/rapist priests, the present Pope has set up John Paul to be called the patron saint of pedophiles.

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    • InterestCapital
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:44am

      He basically liberated Eastern Europe. Give the guy a break.

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    • Gr8ful1jim
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:55am

      No matter how inconsiderate you are, today is one of the greatest day’s in the Catholic Church. Save it for another day!

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:07am

      @ hobo
      Using your logic -Obama is the patron saint of thugs and marxists.

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    • Catholic_Crusader
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:33am

      HOBO, if JPII were BHO, I would think you were a “racist” bigot, but he is not so you just fearful and are afraid of pedofilers.

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    • Hobo Boondocks
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:56am

      John Paul became Pope in 1978. How many cases of priest sexual abuse of children came to light before he died in 2005 and what did he do about them?

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    • InterestCapital
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:13am

      Hobo, he had Parkinsons.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:21am

      @Hobo
      I don’t know, how many ?
      what proof do you have that he had anything to do with it, or in covering it up ?

      The berlin wall came down in 1989, do ya think he was a bit busy up till then ?

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    • Lloyd Drako
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:09am

      As I understand it, the fast track itself was an innovation of John Paul II’s. In the 26 years of his pontificate, he presided over the canonization of more saints than all popes put together since the 16th century. He eliminated the quaint-sounding but perhaps necessary post of Devil’s Advocate, which had served as a check on the process of “rushing to sainthood.” I don’t think he did this with a view toward his own eventual beatification and canonization; in fact, I’m not sure he ever explained why he chose to expedite what for centuries had been a slow, deliberate process. He was a great pope in many ways, but for this innovation I’d sound at least a cautionary note about his own sainthood, or at least wait another fifty years or so.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:03am

      I do not believe in using unscriptural terms such as trimity. GOD is ONE and he manifest himself in flesh.1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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  • InterestCapital
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:37am

    Thank you, The Blaze for covering the faith of our Blessed Pope John Paul the Great. Pray for our brothers and sisters in the South.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:22am

      According to scripture, all true born again believers are Saints (not talking about LDS either). The epistles are addressed to the Saints.Nowhere are Saints prayed to.Read the WORD people.

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    • Catholic_Crusader
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:30am

      No, that scripture has been officially disproven by the Mormon race. And besides, if you belive in the Raptures it would not make sense also, because only the pure elect rise up to heaven, leaving perfectly good Mercedes burning gas at redlights.

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    • Gr8ful1jim
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:32am

      @BOMUSTGO
      Catholics DO NOT PRAY TO SAINTS!!!! They ask for the Saints to carry their prayers. For intercession. That’s it. I don’t understand. As MANY times as this has been explained, Catholic Bashers still dwell on it. If you don’t understand the Catholic faith, you are better off not saying anything. That way way you don’t look so foolish.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:35am

      @bomustgo
      We understand that all who live and die in Christ are Saints.
      Catholics do not pray to saints.
      Since we know those who died in Christ are ALIVE, and have miracles associated with a Catholic Saint, we believe that perhaps they have the ear of, and at least the fruits of the Lord,.
      We can ask them for intercession.
      IE: put in a good word for me when ya get there….
      BIG difference between praying to and asking them to intercede for us.
      Although admittedly such petitions are commonly called “prayers”

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:47am

      I was born and raised catholic.We don’t need anyone to carry our prayers to GOD. God became flesh and died for me so now we have DIRECT access to HIM.There is ONE mediator beween GOD and man, and that is the MAN Christ Jesus.I stand on the WORD and not the vain traditions of man which Jesus warned us not to follow.What about the scripture that says a Bishop must be the husband of one wife?

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    • Gr8ful1jim
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:55am

      @BOMUSTGO,
      If you are still paracticing,and it sounds as though you are not, I recommend learning the faith. If you do not know the faith, you certainly can not practice it.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:01am

      @bomustgo

      I agree that we do indeed have direct access.
      Ever consider the scripture where Christ’s sonship is imparted to others ?
      The scripture on Bishops was against polygamy, not a dictate to marry.
      You state Christ is a MAN. (he was the word made flesh)
      Do you believe in the trinity ? The three as ONE God ?

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    • Bjorn_Frei
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:05am

      BOmustGo, what about saint Jesus and Saint Holy Ghost? So, you would prey to them because they are God and also angels, right?

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:08am

      I am a strict monotheist. I believe in One God and he manifest himself in flesh. GOD could not die (So one third of your GOD died?) The flesh, is what is referred to as the Son. The Spirit (which means, wind,breath in the Hebrew and Greek) God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul.When we are born again, God has rebreathed into us and we are made a new creature.The day of Pentecost the sound of a rushing mighty wind came and filled them in Acts chapter two. MY wife, my daughter and myself have been filled with this same spirit.

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    • Bjorn_Frei
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:12am

      Well isn’t that special for you! What about us?

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:23am

      Yes it is special, and it is for you. See Acts 2:38,39..Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
      39. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
      (If Peter was the first Pope, why do they not teach the same doctrine?) They would run him off if he were here today!

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:30am

      What is prayer??? It is simply commuication. So communicating with a saint is not prayer? The Bible warns about praying or communicating to the dead.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:44am

      The warning against communicating with the dead, is because what answers is not what you were intending communication with. Prayer and petitions are generally one way, and if you are answered, it is in events not little voices…
      if it IS a voice, well then both you and the message need to be tested…Just sayin…

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    • Dale
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:49am

      Catholic_Crusader;

      “No, that scripture has been officially disproven by the Mormon race.”
      ——————————-
      When did Mormons become a ‘race’?

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    • BetterDays
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:32am

      If no one rises until the return of our Lord, ” at the sound of the trumpet the dead in Christ Jesus shall rise first, then those who are alive……“ then just how do dead people ”carry ” anything to GOD? there are many scripture references to the state of the dead they all basically say, the dead know no thing, they think no thing, they do no thing, they sleep. when we sleep we don’t feel time, same with death. When we die, it is like an instant and we stand before GOD to account for our lives, but as we keep time in the living world that amount of time could be thousands of years, but the dead don’t experience time.
      So, how do Mary, all the apostles, and every believer in Christ Jesus whom are still in the grave, carry anything to GOD? They don’t, it is non scriptural and a doctrine of man, like purgatory, limbo, indulgences and more doctrines of man, and not of GOD.
      That being said, I think John Paul was a man after the heart of GOD as far as I could tell, but I will not judge his life, Jesus shall.

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    • Gr8ful1jim
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:34am

      @ BOMUSTGO

      Catholics believe in the Communion of Saints. It is not communicating with the dead. You have inaccurate facts about the Catholic faith. You yourself believe in the Holy Trinity. You have said it in your previous posts. You just don’t recognize it. Enjoy your faith as you practice it. But, don’t feel you have free reign to bash the Catholic Church. If it wasn’t for the Catholic Church,there would be no basis for Christianity. You would have no Bible, no tradition, no teachings.

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    • mycomet123
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:21am

      BOMUSTGO, I don’t understand the belief that just become your born again, or have accepted Jesus into your life that you’re automatically a saint & are going to Heaven. How do you rationalze Matthew 25:34-45?? & Matthew 7:21-23. In a nut shell these scriptures states that not everyone who says Lord,Lord will enter Heaven but only those who do the will of God. Just because your born again doen’t mean you going to live righteous. I know there are many nonbelievers who are very generous loving people, as there are many self-absorbed chrisians who wouldnt lift a finger to help anyone. We all have free will & just because we know God’s will & what he wants from us doesn’t mean we always do it.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:17pm

      Pope proclaims to be Christ…He is a false God…The idol of St Peter is an Idol…

      Why did the popes remove the 2nd commandment? Why did they change the sabbath? Why did they chain the last commandment into two commandments…

      Martin Luther proclaimed the Popes as Antichrist….

      We need no stinking man pope… Martin Luther called it right! 

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    • LibertyGirl
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:30pm

      Okie – sounds like you are worshipping Martin Luther! Do you worship the bible? Do you realize how crazy you sound?

      The Pope is our leader in worshiping Jesus Christ. He is not worshipped by Catholics. If you insist on commenting on the Catholic Church, please get your facts straight.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:39pm

      I worship God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost…

      If I sound crazy for quoting Martin Luther so be it…Truth is truth…I guess your saying all Protestants are crazy? Isn’t that why the Protest-Ants separated from the popes false religion? 

      How many Christians were killed by the Popes during the dark ages? 

      You show your ignorance…What is it in Latin on the Pope hat? Ask your Pope if he‘s Christ and he’ll say Yes! If you‘d like quotes I’ll send you the links…

      Fact is you’ve been taught you need the Pope…Bible says the opposite…

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:55pm

      Congrats BOMUSTGO,

      I would like to commend you for standing up against ancient rome and coming out as a recovering catholic. The Roman Empire believed that the Caesar was a god. So when the empire fell the pope took over that role and it is still the perverse way today. The Bible tells us that the dead know nothing Ecclesiastes 9:5.
      Practicing a pagan ritual called ‘ the faith’ and being a disciple of Jesus Christ are as separate as the east is from the west.

      1 Corinthians 2:14 (King James Version)
      14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

      This verse alone shows why we argue with these cultists. The cult leaders, high priests and yes even priestesses, dissuade its followers from reading the Word. It was banned for the so called common folk to have any type of copies of it many years and these big robed people wish that was still the case.
      Food for thought.
      Walk into to a catholic church. Once you get past the chills from entering the lair you will notice some pretty sad things. images of mary are everywhere and you are hard pressed to find Jesus there at all. When you do find an image of Jesus He is depicted in usually three ways. Dead on the cross, dead at the foot of the cross with mary there, or an infant in mary’s arms. In all cases Jesus is shown to be useless to them.

      BTW: Jesus’ mothers name was Maria. The virgin mary is a familiar spirit, yes that is right, a demon.
      As for communing with the dead. Look what happened to King Saul when he asked to have a familiar spirit called up for him.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:44pm

      You can not speak to dead people…Your soul sleeps when you die…You do not go to heaven or to hell, it sleeps waiting on the master to return to raise them…The Bible tells us not to try and talk to the dead….You can’t and DEMONS will impersonate those your trying to talk to….If you believe you can talk to dead people your calling the Bible a liar and are talking to demons…..

      Just another FALSE teaching by the Popes…..

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:50pm

      You are spot on Okie

      There is also the angel worship and praying to issues. Angels angels everywhere, why? What are they here for? To protect us from demons, to do spiritual battle.
      Catholic exorcisms….give me a break. Jesus Himself said that satan cannot cast out satan. Priests carry around relics (pieces of dead people or their clothing that has their bodily fluid on it) and do incantations that make things worse than they were to begin with.
      God has supernaturally healed me of many things, praise God. Used to take medication for back pain, allergies, sinus issues, got jumped and had my skull broken and a plate in my skull nearly took out my eye, jaw fractured. In the ER I was told there was nothing that could be done for three days, til the swelling went down. I prayed, praised and sang to God and three days later I was told, ” I see nothing here but an old fracture from years ago. Now I don’t even take vitamins, Thank You Lord !!!

      So tell me why the pope was so sick.

      Couldn’t he heal himself?

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    • vennoye
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:13pm

      @Gr8ful1jim
      Lets not get TOO carried away with what we would NOT have if it were not for the Catholic Church. When you SERIOUSLY start studying the history of your faith and study the: First Council of Nicaea, Council of Laodicea, Council of Ephesus, right after that you start buying different translations of the Bible because you become so concerned of possible bias–and when you do, you always get to the translation of The Holy Bible from the Ancient Eastern Text (from the Aramaic of the Peshitta). (The Eastern Church split from the Western Roman Church in the 5-6th century because of some of the the teachings decreed from the above councils.) You find out, after the searching, that God has been faithful to perserve what we needed to know in the Bible, but everything in the Bible DOES NOT support Catholic Church practices. So the CC was A source, but not the ONLY source!!

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    • Kerby Clark
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 6:29pm

      @GIDEON612 you are awesome! You healed your own head injury!
      We know there are Angels, on earth amongst us. many are in Arizona because of the demons.
      Gabrielle Giffords is an angel, you can tell because she survived a head-shot and they call it a miracle (but it is because you cannot kill an angel by shooting the head – you have to shoot the heart). And she is fascinated by Space Flight and married to an Astronaut!
      Many astronauts and angels are attracted to democrats.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:11pm

      Well, Kerby Clark.

      I need not to make a comment at all on this. You have not only made my point but have shown your rear in the process.
      Well done.
      Maybe you will get a piece of the dead pope to have of your own.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:29pm

      And as far as anyone healing anyone…………..there is no such thing.

      Only God can heal someone miraculously.

      What I described happened to me is Biblical and God will show you his promises that are all conditional. I was merely describing, briefly, some of the conditions for God’s healing power to work.

      Gabriel Giffords, may God bless her and I wish her all the best, is not an angel. The only surviving MORTAL head wound that is in the Bible is the anti christ.

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    • grandma7
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:13pm

      Christ chose the first Pope and Christians celebrate the choice throughout the world. Peter’s grave rests in the heart of St. Peter’s Basilica in the Vatican.

      All Christians pray directly to the Lord. Choosing to pray WITH those who have passed and are living in the Grace of the Lord is a blessing. Any Christian can do it. Catholics pray with parishioners on earth and parishioners in heaven. All Christians are welcome to pray to our Father, alone or with others (alive or dead).

      Miracles were preformed, often, by Christ. Peter, also, was able and did. Read Acts.

      Again, I say, Churches throughout the world have problems with child molestation and adultery. And, in fact, other churches have a higher percentage of them in their congregations. This is a societal problem, (not a religious problem) equally distributed throughout the human race. Throwing stones has never worked, Jesus taught us that.

      Blessings to all who believe. It serves us better to allow Our Lord to make the judgement of who is a believer and who isn’t. We can never know who is one of our Father’s children. Someone behaving like a Christian, may be far from one. A person might be saved while in a coma. Judging takes us on a path away from the Lord. I choose to be judged and not to judge another’s heart.

      Pope John Paul II was a beautiful man who our Lord chose as his disciple. The Pope humbly served Jesus and was instrumental in spreading his word worldwide, especially to youth.

      Together we pray that our Lord blesses this country and reestablishes the meaning of true freedom Under God.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:44pm

      Sorry Grandma7

      Peter was sent to the Jews to teach them. Paul went to Rome. There is no mention of Peter being a pope, being appointed as such and you may remember that he denied Jesus three times.( unless that is your reference to him being pope-like)

      This is another false teaching that has been accepted and people don’t do their own homework.

      To bloody Peter in this manner is wrong.

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    • grandma7
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:53pm

      Yes, I thought so too. I was the biggest skeptic, until Pope John Paul II died. After tracing the Pope’s back to the first (Peter), I began to research. It is true, Peter was our first Pope. Jesus appointed him to lead His church. Peter did, died, and is buried in the Basilica. My village, in Italy, dates back to the year 89ad. There is amazing history in Italy. Our church, in this CA town, has a priest who researched, a few years before me. When he found the truth, he left the Episcopal Church (with his wife and two daughters) and joined ours. He‘s an amazing priest and we’re blessed to have him.
      Many of the Lord’s blessings to you and may you cherish your journey to our Father. I cherish every moment of mine – especially the “skeptical” moments.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:58pm

      Nope
      Sorry, this has already been covered and besides, Jesus would not tell anyone to worship his mother.
      Why is it that you have no such feelings for Paul? I will tell you why. Paul wrote most of the New Testament and what the Holy Spirit told him to write cuts to the heart and moves people to Jesus.
      So instead the god you have accepted lets you think that you tell and man you call father, which is in direst disobedience to Jesus, and then live like hell for the rest of the week.
      When you do not enter into the presence of God and confess your sins there is no conviction and no true need for repentance of your sins.

      Tell me this one also. You feel that you are forgiven when you go to a confessional. What happens when you sin in between these visits? You die without your father forgiving you. Here is what Jesus had to say about the use of the office of a father on earth, (and I am not talking about your natural birth father.)
      John 8:44
      Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
      John 8:43-45

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  • bbr48
    Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:25am

    A wonderful man. He is missed.

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:33am

      I don’t get the end there. What is the link between JPII , gold markets and secret ways of making a fortune?

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    • BIGJAYINPA
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:06am

      Not being a Catholic I really do not understand this whole Sainthood thing. I’ll grant you that he was a good man and a pretty good Pope. But what makes him a saint and why the fast track?? Didn’t he have a small problem with covering up the actions of some bad behavior by some Priests??? I don’t really think he gave the orders, but it did happen on his watch and he was the guy in charge. When the ship hits the rock the Captain is responsable even if he wasn’t driving the boat at the time.

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    • watchmany2k
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:18am

      @big Jay
      A Saint has to be associated with at least two genuine miracles that cannot be explained by any other means, including science.
      Go ahead and diminish the fact that the man greatly contributed to the fall of communism.
      I would believe those behind the Iron Curtian would think that a miracle in and of itself.

      Where exactly is your proof that he “covered up bad actions” by anybody ?
      BTW, those committing the “bad actions” are solely responsible for their acts.
      Since you believe in collective guilt, I assume you believe in collective salvation.
      Sad…..

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    • Catholic_Crusader
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:27am

      This is excellent progress for our most holy John Paul II, who from his Rome palaces, attained a slew of miracles for the true christian religion.

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    • Bjorn_Frei
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:02am

      @BigJayInPA, the popes all are required to wear a set of holy clothes called ROBES, just like Jesus, that protects them from other people sins! We need to show some respect for the dead, don’t you agree?

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    • LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:05am

      GETLIFE…..at the end of the article it says ….”" Sponsored Link: “” is that what you mean ?

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:30am

      Yes indeedy LOOKING BOTH WAYS–I think the sponsored links should look like links, not like something having to do with the story. A sleazy ad slip- in that The Blaze should be above. Many times I have wondered how a particular personality in a frame just above (so it looks like a caption) would think of being associated with making money on the black market. Often the story above gives undue and unmerited credence to the link. Low class.

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    • Bjorn_Frei
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:49am

      Why are they beatfacating a dead guy? Nobody thinks that is a little stange?

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    • proliance
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:22am

      @Bjorn_Frei

      Maybe its because its impossible to beatify a person who is not dead. BTW, the Church is not “making” him a saint. It is recognizing him as such.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:24am

      Thank You POPE JOHN PAUL II for everything you did & Thank You for your efforts in freeing millions of people from communism .

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:14pm

      Men that proclaim to be God in the Bible are said to be blasphemists…..

      What did Martin Luther call the pope?

      This makes me want to vomit! What a disgrace…

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 12:19pm

      Another sad day for those that follow Jesus. More is being puked out about a cults dead god and what he did and did not do.

      WHAT ABOUT WHAT JESUS DID FOR US?

      The Bible tells us that all believers are saints so in this light he was not a believer in Jesus. That is Biblical so I don’t want to hear anymore mumbo jumbo of man-made doctrines to rationalize it either. The Bible is clear on this.

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    • LibertyGirl
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:23pm

      Gideon – This does not take anything away from what Jesus did for us. Please have some respect for others. We understand that you are not Catholic and don’t believe as we do. This is a day to show our way of honoring a man that has lead all Catholics for decades.

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    • BIGJAYINPA
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:42pm

      People please read what I said. I belive that Jon Paul was a good man. And I agree he did a lot of good things for the world. I take nothing from him and I don’t hold him responsable for the actions of others. I merely said I don’t understand the rush to grant him sainthood. As a liflong Protestant I have never really understood the Church’s whole thing with Saints. And no I don’t belive in either collective sin or salvation. What I said was the CAPTAIN was responsable for whatever happens to the ship, not the crew as a whole.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 1:52pm

      @ liberalgirl

      I said that I did not want any mumbo jumbo.
      So lets look at this so called leading. Leading people away from Jesus, condoning priests raping children and letting people bow down to him. Hmmm?
      Sounds like a good person to me. Oh yeah, the Bible says the there is none good, no not one.
      Our works are as filthy rags.
      What don’t you get here?

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    • vennoye
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:18pm

      Was just listening to report on Fox on this and they were listing all the suffering and illness that JPII had after he became pope. Decreeing upon him sainthoood confuses me because : Isaiah 53:5 says: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes WE ARE HEALED. Seems to me that IF God‘s assessment of JPII was the same as man’s assessment——he should have had no illnesses.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:35pm

      @LibertyGirl

      Where was respect shown by the popes while slaughtering 50-100 million Christians? Those of us who know Truth will show zero respect for some one who is Anti-Christ….

      Pope teaches he can forgive sin, which he can not…Pope shows he can change God’s commandments, which he can not…Popes tells you to bow and kiss the statue of Peter, an idol, a direct violation of commandments…Pope proclaims he is Christ on Earth, blasphemy…

      I’m sorry this upsets you LibertyGirl….I‘ll pray for you and I will help you in any way I am able to understand God’s true teachings if you wish…I encourage you to read God’s word the Bible honestly to yourself and all those lies taught to you will be exposed for the lies they are….

      @Gideaon

      I may not know you but I love you man….You make me smile!!!!

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    • grandma7
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:40pm

      He, truly, was a wonderful man and an inspiring Pope. He was, especially, loved by the youth. That, in itself, is a miracle, these days. :0]

      In a letter from the Vatican about the last trip to the Vatican by Pelosi, they explained the etiquette about visitors from the government of other nations. While Pelosi visited in groups of thousands, George W. Bush was allowed to visit John Paul II through the private door, where the Pope was in regular clothing and greeted ONLY his closest friends and relatives. This week they told of how close the friendship between the Pope and Bush was. (they wrote the letter to clarify Pelosi’s story of the trip).

      In regards to the priests who molest children, the percentages are much higher in other Christian religions and we rarely hear about it. Certainly, the righteous priests FAR out number the others (as it is in the other Christian religions).

      It’s difficult to understand the process of Sainthood, even for the Catholics. Maybe we all will learn as we watch Pope John Paul II’s journey.

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    • spirited
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 2:57pm

      @Bigjay
      Romans 15:25 – 15:30
      22 For which cause also, I was hindered very much from coming to you and have been kept away till now. 23 But now, having no more place in these countries and having a great desire these many years past to come unto you, 24 when I shall begin to take my journey into Spain, I hope that, as I pass, I shall see you and be brought on my way thither by you: if first, in part, I shall have enjoyed you.

      25 But now I shall go to Jerusalem, to minister unto the saints.

      26 For it has pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a contribution for the poor of the saints that are in Jerusalem. 27 For it has pleased them: and they are their debtors. For, if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, they ought also in carnal things to minister to them. 28 When therefore I shall have accomplished this and consigned to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain. 29 And I know that when I come to you I shall come in the abundance of the blessing of the gospel of Christ. 30 I beseech you therefore, brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God,

      31 that I may be delivered from the unbelievers that are in Judea and that the oblation of my service may be acceptable in Jerusalem to the saints. 32 That I may come to you with joy, by the will of God, and may be refreshed with you. 33 Now the God of peace be with, you all. Amen.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:06pm

      @Okie from Muskogee

      Thanks and I do appreciate you. We are called to fight the good fight of faith, not follow something called the faith.
      FYI: For those who have not figured it out Gideon612 is a Biblical reference as well. Read the Book of Judges. In Chapter 6 verse 12 Gideon was hiding and using the wine press to thresh wheat. He saw himself as small and the angel of the Lord called him a mighty man of valour. There is so much in this teaching that i will not get into it right now. Just as all of God’s Word it is very deep.

      To understand the inspired Word of God you have to give all to God and totally rely on Him. Pray, confess your sins to God and God alone, repent( return to the pinnacle, the top, the mountain of God), ask God to forgive you, ask God to send His Holy Spirit to teach and guide you and the Bible will open up and speak to you. if you are not being taught by the Holy Spirit you are being taught by familiar spirits, demons.

      You should notice that perverted teachings of God are always contrary to His Word. Just as liberalism promotes sacrificing of children for the god of convenience while saving murders from capital punishment we see the same thing with the catholic movement.

      Here, I will make this very simple.
      The meaning of life.
      We are all born without God and it is our job to get God in us.

      Test all spirits.
      If anything in thought, word, or deed is not of love and does not glorify God it is not of God.

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    • Candertwin
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:18pm

      To Catholics, saints aren’t exactly “dead.”

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 3:50pm

      For those who are bashing POPE JOHN PAUL II
      We say “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:16pm

      Robert-CA
      Get behind me Satan. The Lord rebuke you.
      In Jesus’ mighty Name I pray.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:43pm

      @ GIDEON612

      We’ll pray for you too .

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:53pm

      Your prays are incantations and curses and I rebuke them.

      I get tired of doing damage control for you people but the Bible tells us not to become weary in well doing.

      Jesus said that if any cause one of His little ones to stumble that it would be better that a mil stone were hung around their neck and cast into the sea.

      Stop relying on man to teach you about God. You want to learn about God?, ask Him.

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    • attleboro
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 4:54pm

      He is truly missed. God bless.

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    • Kerby Clark
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 6:19pm

      We need to get along, don’t you know that all Christians are blessed, and when we die in battle its not like Catholics and Protestants don’t die the same or whatever. We are the same and whatever. God loves us equal and the same.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 6:31pm

      Oh Great, now we get a feel good Joel Osteen message that will not stir anyone to repent or seek the face of the Lord.

      Well, Kerby Clark, Jesus said that many are called and few are chosen. If you are not in the fire you are not in the game. We are in a spiritual battle here on earth and if you are not experiencing Satan coming against you than he is cradling you in his arms like a little baby.

      Wake up and seek the Lord while He is near. Seek His face and not His hands.

      God is not an ATM

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    • WTH
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 6:34pm

      How quickly people forget that he was the head of the largest molestation and pedophelia scandal to hit the Catholic church. Priest were moved from one parish to another without punishment or telling the new parish about that person’s past. I think this alone over shadows anything this person did in their life. This cannot be forgotten, nor should it be condoned and praised via Sainthood. I‘m sure he was made aware of this vast problem and if someone claims he didn’t know then that is even worse.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:16pm

      I’m gonna say it one more time since some loons are loose in here .
      For those who are bashing POPE JOHN PAUL II
      We say “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”

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    • Jayldd
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:26pm

      As a member of the LDS Church I can say that working on being Saints, at least I hope. LDS stands for Latter Day Saints. While I appreciate the contribution of the Pope let‘s not forget that we can all attain the highest by striving to follow God’s word and doing good works. Following the teachings of the ancient prophets reading the bible and yes the book of mormon lay the path for all great things in this world and in the hereafter.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:26pm

      John Paul never did any miracles… Man can not perform miracles, only God can…

      Catholics are not Christian… You worship a total different God then the God of the Bible… Catholic Popes changed commandments, you pray to dead people, and you bow to statues…That is not what the Bible says is of God…That is what the Bible says is a false religion. 

      The Catholic religion is a false religion…It is the religion of the anti-Christ…Hearing this may upset you but it is truth straight from the word of God..

      Okie from Muskogee  
    • Jayldd
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:35pm

      Christ’s church is alive today on the earth and the line of true prophets has been reestablished. Please have an open mind and go to lds.org. Let’s all celebrate the contribution of Pope John Paul II without bashing him and lets all continue to seek a higher truth.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:41pm

      @RobertCa

      I bash no one…I do speak truth from the Bible…

      If your praying to the God of the Popes, your praying to nothing…

      Would you like to compare the teachings of the Popes to the Word of God? I believe in the Word of God over some Popes, don’t you? 

      So please instead of praying to the Pope God compare the Word of God to those of the Popes… You will find the Pope says the opposite of The Word of God constantly…So much so the Popes created a new religion in itself called Catholics…Truth is truth..

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 7:55pm

      And to celebrate a leader who lead a “church” that teaches against the Word of God and who lead a “Church” that molested so many innocent children under his watch is absolutely shameful! 

      The Nazis we all agree were horrible for the Holocaust of the Jews….Yet Roman Catholics killed 50-100 million Christians and us hush hush….If the Nazis are horrible, what does that make these Christian killers? Hypocrites! 

      God above and God of Love allow those who hear your word to come out of the Beast…I praise your name and thank you for your strength and for your Word as it keeps me on the path of Truth and eternal life…I pray openly any Catholics still in the Beast to pick up YOUR Word and see the lies man has deceived them with for your Word is true and everlasting…Amen! 

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:20pm

      Let’s stop this worship of men, whether it be the prophets or these popes.

      The prophets were mere men that obeyed God and God had chosen to be His mouthpiece. The popes man chose, just as the Israelite’s made the golden calf, to be a god on earth. Joseph Smith got his visions out of a top hat and claimed to have seen God and Jesus. If you don’t see anything wrong with these you are misled.
      To claim a religion or denomination is also demonic and against Scriptures. We are called or drwn to God to be followers and disciples of Jesus and Him alone.

      1 Corinthians 3:4-6 (King James Version)

      4. For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
      5. Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
      6. I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

      Stop trying to defend your cults and stop misleading people.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:37pm

      Apparently some loons in here have a beef with POPE JOHN PAUL II & I don’t know why ? maybe cause he was on the KGB‘s hit list or cause he was on the radical muslim’s hit list .
      & don‘t think that I’m here defending POPE JOHN PAUL II cause I’m a Catholic , because I’m not .

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:49pm

      @RobertCa

      Problem with John Paul: proclaimed to be Christ on Earth as all Popes do…Taught opposite of the Word of God…Was leader over a group that molested many many innocent children and tried to keep it hush hush…

      Why you do not have a problem with these things is the question you should ask yourself…

      God says to praise him, not man…Pope is a man with many faults.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:51pm

      @Robert
      And by the way, are you cowardly calling me a loon, for speaking God’s word? What reason am I a loon? 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 8:59pm

      @Robert

      If you are not Catholic what are you? If I’m a loon for stating what ALL Protestant leaders stated, are they loons? Do you attend a Church started by one of those loons? How hypocritical wouldn’t you say?….Just a thought..

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    • RJO
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:06pm

      Can we get off the Anti-Catholic crap on this site. I’m not Catholic….but I’m really fed up with the Anti-Catholic opportunists who slam. I’ve discovered that most of the stated “bewilderment” on the process of sainthood is a phoney as Barack Obama’s qualifications to become President of the United States.

      Instead of looking for space to RIP….try a little Christian kindness in acknowledging the incredible impact thie man – John Paul II – had on our world. One of the HUGE roles was in bringing down the Soviet Empire.

      Read the following:

      Excerpts of an article written by non-Catholic Sam Miller – a prominent Cleveland Jewish businessman:

      “Why would newspapers/electronic media carry on a vendetta on one of the most important institutions that we have today in the United States, namely the Catholic Church?

      Do you know – the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students everyday at the cost to that Church of 10 billion dollars, and a savings on the other hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars. The graduates go on to graduate studies at the rate of 92%.

      The Church has 230 colleges and universities in the U.S. with an enrollment of 700,000 students..

      The Catholic Church has a non-profit hospital system of 637 hospitals, which account for hospital treatment of 1 out of every 5 people – not just Catholics – in the United States today.

      But the press is vindictive and trying to totally denigrate in every way the Catholic Church in this country. They have blamed the disease of pedophilia on the Catholic Church, which is as irresponsible as blaming adultery on the institution of marriage.

      Let me give you some figures that Catholics should know and remember. For example, 12% of the 300 Protestant clergy surveyed admitted to sexual intercourse with a parishioner; 38% acknowledged other inappropriate sexual contact in a study by the United Methodist Church , 41.8% of clergy women reported unwanted sexual behavior; 17% of laywomen have been sexually harassed.

      Meanwhile, 1.7% of the Catholic clergy has been found guilty of pedophilia. 10% of the Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia. This is not a Catholic Problem. A study of American priests showed that most are happy in the priesthood and find it even better than they had expected, and that most, if given the choice, would choose to be priests again in face of all this obnoxious PR the church has been receiving.

      The Catholic Church is bleeding from self-inflicted wounds. The agony that Catholics have felt and suffered is not necessarily the fault of the Church. You have been hurt by a small number of wayward priests that have probably been totally weeded out by now.

      Walk with your shoulders high and you head higher. Be a proud member of the most important non-governmental agency in the United States.

      Then remember what Jeremiah said: ‘Stand by the roads, and look and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:15pm

      @RJO

      Cornelius of Acts was a great man and did all kind of great deeds, yet, he was told he lacked faith in Jesus and without it he would not have eternal life…

      You can throw out all your numbers you’d like around molesting children but we all know the truth as it has been exposed…..

      You can do many wonderful great deeds but if you lack Christ and do not follow commandments you are just someone who does nice things and that is it…

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    • LibertyGirl
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:25pm

      Gideon – thanks for insulting me in the name of Jesus Christ. What a great example. I am neither liberal (probably a lot more conservative than you) and certainly am not a sinner or the devil or whatever you seem to think all Catholics seem to be. Gideon – as you said – “I get it” now – your an idiot with which rational communication is not possible. Where in the bible does it tell you that you can judge in the name of God? Where in the bible does it tell you to be so arrogant and proud?

      @ Okie – do you have any idea how many Catholics were slaughtered by Protestants? Read your history. Both sides killed in the name of religion which is horrific. The difference now is that Catholics have learned from the mistakes that HUMANS (who are never free from sin) have made in the past. Your self-righteous judgmental attitude is evidence that you haven’t learned a thing from history. Only God will be able to judge you. It won’t be me, no matter how many times you insult me.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:28pm

      RJO

      I would like you to take a good look at what you wrote and then try to figure out what this has to do with this conversation.

      You sound like another one.

      Okie and I have been trying to show the Word of God as compared to what is accepted by this world. Which I might add that the Bible calls Satan the god of this world, the prince of the power of the air, and many more.

      The Church that Jesus spoke of was the body of believers in Him. Not a building, organization, self proclaimed group or some businessman. And a group that you say educates so many for no cost, I beg to differ. Look at the eternal cast in the conversation that is going on here. It is no different than the liberals, atheists, Satan worshipers, public schools and so forth. They all lead people away from God.
      Look at Peter, whom was not the first pope because he was sent to preach to the Jews and never went to Rome in his life, and when he got out of the boat and began to walk on the sea. He saw the wind. Wind is depicted in Scriptures as spirit and breath. So Peter took his eyes off of Jesus and began to sink into the sea, which is depicted as not only physical death but spiritual death as well. He cried out to Jesus to save him and Jesus pulled him up.
      To sum it up you are defending a cause that is distracting people from God. And as Jesus said, “He who is not with me is against me.”
      Anything else you have say that does not glorify God is blasphemous.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:37pm

      To answer you libgirl,

      Jesus said, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
      Matthew 7:15-19 in context.
      You think I sound arrogant? Look at how Jesus spoke. He moved people. They either left Him, followed Him or went at Him to kill Him. There was no mistaking what He meant. So I telling you the truth enrages you just as the non-believers were enraged when Jesus spoke the truth.

      Stop arguing with us and trying to mislead people, read the Word of God carefully and prayerfully.

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 9:53pm

      I want to thank God for being able to defend Him here and I know that there are those that did not comment off the cuff because they were looking to see if what I said was true.
      I am sorry for only one thing that I said and that was using the term liberal girl. The rest of what I have said can all be checked against God‘s Word so don’t hate me for quoting God. If you do not like what I had said…………take it up with Him, please, He is waiting to hear from you.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:05pm

      Libertygirl

      I am a humble servant of the Lord Jesus Christ…I am a man of sin who repents and strives to do the Lord’s work… Self-Righteous is your judgement and words, not mine…Self-Righteous would be to believe you can be and make “Saints”, wouldn’t it? 

      In what way have I “tried” to insult you? I haven’t one time…Good try in twisting truth…otherwise known as lying…

      Please point to the time Protestants were in POWER and persecuted those Catholics who did not bow and worship as the Popes did during those 1260 horrible years…You can’t…

      Can you tell me why you dislike the Nazis yet support the Catholics? Is that hypocritical? Very important questions….

      It’s unfortunate you spent time trying to insult me with your names but I rebuke thee in the name of Christ…

      When your ready to see truth and need help with the Word of God, the Bible, I will help you anytime…

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    • grandma7
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:41pm

      Yeah, I thought so too. I was the biggest skeptic, until Pope John Paul II died. After tracing the Pope’s back to the first (Peter), I began to research. It is true, Peter was our first Pope. Jesus appointed him to lead His church. Peter did, died, and is buried in the Basilica. My village, in Italy, dates back to the year 89ad. There is amazing history in Italy. Our church, in this CA town, has a priest who researched, a few years before me. When he found the truth, he left the Episcopal Church (with his wife and two daughters) and joined ours. He‘s an amazing priest and we’re blessed to have him.
      Many of the Lord’s blessings to you and may you cherish your journey to our Father. I cherish every moment of mine – especially the “skeptical” moments.

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    • par4thecourse
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 10:52pm

      I’m no theologian (not even sure if I spelled it right) but it seems to me that these people who attack the Catholic Church happen to sound alot like the other people they rail against, you know the ones that behead, blow up and stone people for not believing exactly as they do, that these people wouldn’t even know Christ were it not for the Catholic Church. osama bin ladin is Dead lets all rejoice

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:11pm

      @Par4thecourse

      That’s weird, no one here has threatened to stone anyone or behead or anything of that nature…

      Now the roman Catholics did behead those who didn’t worship as they did, they burnt them at the stake and acted almost identical to Islam you described…What’s also weird is Catholic and Islam are almost identical….Mohamed married a Catholic too!!! Coincidence? I don’t think so! 

      Since you said your no theologian, you shouldn’t try to speak as one…

      Open a Bible and it will tell you all you need to know….

      @Grandma
      I think your confusing your Peters….Peter you think started the Catholic church was not an apostle, who was the the Peter who was a magician….Look in your Bible…It does not lie…

      Thank you Lord for your wisdom of your Word…Thank you for allowing the opportunity to share your word and thank you for those who hear and began to find you..Amen…

      Have a good night y’all!

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 1, 2011 at 11:55pm

      Mark 16:14-18 (King James Version)

      14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

      15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

      16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

      18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

      By your words you have made your choice.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 1:18am

      @ OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE

      Oh so now I’m being a coward ?
      Listen , you & all of the others in here who are attacking POPE JOHN PAUL II you’re a bunch of morons & loons .
      I‘m not afraid of you or thousands like you I’ve dealt with muslim fanatics you’re not worse than them .
      Bring it on .
      I’m a sinner & I’m doing my best to be a Christian . “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone” .
      I admire POPE JOHN PAUL II for his actions against communism & for his stand against abortion .
      POPE JOHN PAUL II travelled to more than 120 countries as a result, he was popularly known as the “Pilgrim Pope”. No wonder the faithful loved to call him the “People’s Pope”

      GOD Bless America .

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 1:43am

      @Robert
      Oh Robert did you read what I wrote? Cowardly and coward are different..Coward is a noun..Cowardly is an adjective..Seems you read what you want to hear..Might be an issue for you…you cowardly declared those “attacking” JP loons instead of bravely declaring who you cast stones at…Do you comprehend the difference now? Hope so..

      I cast no stone but I do speak the Bible…If that bothers you, take it up with the Bible…

      Admire as you wish just know your admiring someone who declared themselves Christ, taught opposite of the Bible, and encouraged his followers to bow to an idol…According to the Bible, that is ant-Christ, false….if that’s what you choose to admire you admire opposite the teachings of God…

      Wrestle with it all you like but the Bible is truth and will be truth forever…

      And for reference, I attack no one…You perceive Gideon and I as attacking yet all we do is speak the Word from the Bible…So it’s the Bible you are actually accusing of attacking JP….Learn to think thru your thoughts before you speak…Read your own words…

      Have a blessed night Robert and I will pray God reveals his truth to you.

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 2:44am

      @ OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE
      Leave the Bible out of this , if you bring 10 experts of the Bible each one will come up with a different translation for the Bible & who am I or who are you to say “take it up with the Bible” .

      “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church”

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 4:06am

      Robert please read what you wrote:

      “Leave the Bible out of this , if you bring 10 experts of the Bible each one will come up with a different translation for the Bible & who am I or who are you to say “take it up with the Bible” .”

      The Bible tells us Robert, Jesus is the Word, and the Word is Jesus..The Word is the Bible…So to say “Leave the Bible out of it” is well respectfully, ignorant, or not the teachings of Christ. Please Robert, open a Bible and read it. 

      “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church”

      This verse came next, after saying:
      “Leave the Bible out of it”
      If your subtly asking me of this verse I ask you read the whole chapter and allow the Bible to tell you what this verse means.. Then we will discuss this one verse.. But I will tell you what this verse says…

      You have Peter and you have a rock God will build his church.

      I am a believer of Jesus Christ. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. That’s who I am. For me to say “Take it up with the Bible” is an honor for I’m proclaiming for you to read the word of God. These aren’t my words Robert. They are Gods words. Read them and hear them. Use the Bible to tell you the Bible..

      Most importantly Robert… If you leave the Bible out, what are you talking about? Read what you write. 

      I look forward to discussing the chapter and do believe if your honest to yourself you will see what is being said by God..

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    • Robert-CA
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 8:00am

      @ OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE

      Once again leave the Bible out of this just out of respect to the Bible .
      Apparently you have a beef with the POPE & you’re the perfect Christian & the POPE in your eyes is not a good Christian .
      I’m happy for you but life is too short to waste it on you .
      LORD have mercy on us .

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 10:22am

      @ GIDEON612, Okie from Muskogee

      I just enjoy the anti-catholic banter with you two, it just confirms for me how much of a fringe, hatefilled website this is. You are offering nothing more than dime store preaching to excuse your ignorance. Where are your attacks on Mormonism, the Catholic church has been around since nearly the beginning, the Bible is a creation of the Church. Let where is your bile at the cult like Mormons that have added a new book to the bible.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 1:34pm

      @Robert

      Did you even read what was wrote? The Bible is God’s word…Leaving it out is disrespectful to God. You can‘t be ignorant for this is the second time I’ve told you. Why would any one want to leave the word of God out, leave Jesus out? Only those not of God would… Think Robert…

      Read these words, the Bible has a beef with the Pope. I do not make these words, just relaying the message… 

      I said no where I was perfect, did I? I simply told you what the Bible says of those who proclaim to be Christ, teach against his Word, and changed God’s commandments. I can’t be to blame for your Pope doing these things.. Read your Bible and we will talk…Again Robert, to leave the Word of God out is ungodly…

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 2:57pm

      Encinom wrote:

      “I just enjoy the anti-catholic banter with you two, it just confirms for me how much of a fringe, hatefilled website this is. You are offering nothing more than dime store preaching to excuse your ignorance. Where are your attacks on Mormonism, the Catholic church has been around since nearly the beginning, the Bible is a creation of the Church. Let where is your bile at the cult like Mormons that have added a new book to the bible.”

      Well hello Encinom..I see you decided to add your half a cent…unfortunately you wasted time trying to insult instead of searching for truth..Insults are nothing more then insecurity..Please realize that. 

      I suppose those walking the narrow path could be called fringe, especially thru the eyes of the one on the wide and wordly path…The Bible tells us to take the narrow path, Encinom..

      Hate would be to spew insults and not speak from the Bible….Which of us is doing that here…

      You proclaim my ignorance, yet I speak from the Bible. Do you not believe the Bible and what do you speak from if not from it? What does it say bout folks who do not speak from the word? 

      The Bible is God’s creation, remember that. 

      And Encinom did you happen to read any of the posts by Gideon or I? If you would you might see how ignorant you sound in saying nothing was said on Mormons. 

      When you decide you’d like to converse over the Bible and what it says then we will hold a good conversation. Until then, read your BIBLE! 

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    • Lisa4Catholics
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 3:37pm

      God Blesses him and us with his witness to faith in Jesus, I am going to be joyful with those Catholics here and anyone else that has good will as Scriptures mention on this statement on the life and faith of Pope John Paul 11. As for all the hatred on the thread and the spite, this does not mirror Our Father in heaven. Out of charity I will go no further with it.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 4:03pm

      Lisa wrote:
      “God Blesses him and us with his witness to faith in Jesus, I am going to be joyful with those Catholics here and anyone else that has good will as Scriptures mention on this statement on the life and faith of Pope John Paul 11. As for all the hatred on the thread and the spite, this does not mirror Our Father in heaven. Out of charity I will go no further with it.”

      Can you point from the Bible where God blesses the Pope and his work for without it, it seems if your judging… By quoting the Bible and showing the works of the Pope to be what the Bible calls Anti-Christ, folks here accuse me personally of judging the Pope negatively, when in fact, it’s the Bibles words, not mine. So if you can not use the Bible it really is YOUR judgement and you’ve judged him good. Are you judge of all? 

      The mirror of God would be to read his Word, the Bible, and do as it says. This is what is being done and hatred and spite comes from those upset because we are doing as it says, not we are hating and being spiteful. If by quoting the Bible is being hateful and spiteful, are we to not quote the Bible…The Bible says the opposite doesn’t it? 

      Be joyful all you wish, just know as you been told what your being joyful about. 

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    • Family_Guy
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 4:46pm

      Okie and Gideon, you are very impressive but please rest in peace with this thread it is embarrassing.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 5:27pm

      @FamilyGuy

      What is embarrassing about talking about the Bible and what it says? I can not understand that. Im afraid you mistake “impressive” to Gideon and I, when it‘s the Bible’s words which is impressive.. Not us. We simply state the Bible, as it says to. 

      I look forward to your understanding of what is embarrassing thru your eyes..

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    • obfuscatenot
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 6:55pm

      I’d always thought of John Paul as an honorable man. Why the PC baloney, with these people. Catholics?
      The obfuscation and deliberate “moving around” of pedophile priests at the expense of innocent boys…ugh…..my husband told me in tears the other night while watching the news, why he had a quick exit from alter boyhood. Ugh. I revered this man through my youth, with Reagan and Thatcher. Ugh. Tears.

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 7:51pm

      @Okie from Muskogee

      “The Bible is God’s creation, remember that.” assembled by Catholic bishops.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 9:15pm

      Encinom wrote:

      ““The Bible is God’s creation, remember that.” assembled by Catholic bishops.”

      Do you not believe God can use any he wishes to assemble his word and do his work? The power in place did assemble the books of the Bible.. Do you know why? The same power then changed commandments as well as times and tried to control the Word…

      Martin Luther was a Bishop wasn’t he? Upon reading the Bible did God not open his eyes to lead the Church away thru the Bible? God is good! 

      God’s work is wonderful Encinom…If you emphasize man over God your bound to be wrong…God is good…

      What are you trying to say Encinom?

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    • encinom
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 9:50pm

      @Okie from Muskogee

      I love the ignorance of the holy rollers. You read the bible yet fail to undersand it. You condem the church, yet its the same church that kept the faith alive throughout the middle ages, the same church that asemble the bible. It just easy for the anti-catholic bigots to choose Rome as a target, I bet you have a poster of Ian Paisley over your bed.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on May 2, 2011 at 10:17pm

      Encinom wrote:

      “I love the ignorance of the holy rollers. You read the bible yet fail to undersand it. You condem the church, yet its the same church that kept the faith alive throughout the middle ages, the same church that asemble the bible. It just easy for the anti-catholic bigots to choose Rome as a target, I bet you have a poster of Ian Paisley over your bed.”

      Clear my “ignorance” Encinom, please. 

      I would like to hear more about these middle ages in which the Catholic Church kept “faith” alive and created the Bible…Please Encinom explain further your views…

      Who was in charge during these middle ages? And who was being persecuted and why? Clear my ignorance Encinom…

      I’m a bigot now for quoting what the Bible says? That makes no sense Encinom…In fact, that’s opposite of what the Bible says…Is John Wesley a bigot? Martin Luther? Knox? Calvin? 

      Encinom you have zero reason to be upset with me other then me quoting the Bible as I’m commanded to do…I am not to blame for the Catholic Popes teaching opposite of the Bible you say they created..Read the Bible…

      I look forward to you clearing my ignorance..

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    • GIDEON612
      Posted on May 3, 2011 at 9:39pm

      To those that wish to continue to disagree, defame, rationalize, discredit, and oppose what Okie and I have stated here just gives more credence to what we have said.
      Just remember this, we quoted God and to go against what we said is to go against God. You may wish to focus your anger at us but it is misdirected.
      I do realize the there are those that jump into the mix just to agitate as well and that is sad.

      I believe that Okie would agree with me on this. What we are trying to do is open the eyes of those who have been blinded by showing and speaking the world of God to you. This has not been done in anger to or for anyone. This has been out of love and the care of the eternal well being for anyone that has read this. If you would read a Bible carefully and prayerfully God will open it up to you.

      May God Almighty make Himself very real to you all and humble you so you will seek Him while the breath of life is still in you.
      In my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ’s Name I pray.
      Amen

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