Caught on Video: Calif. Cops Open Fire on Vandal Outside Carl’s Jr. Restaurant
- Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:07am by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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Editor’s note: warning — this video contains graphic images and language.
He was wielding a metal bar that almost appeared to be an ice ax and tearing up a restaurant. And when cops told him to drop it, he refused. That’s when the shots rang out.
“He” is a vandal. And it all went down on Monday outside a Carl’s Jr. in Monterey Park, CA. And we know about it because bystanders caught it all on video and posted it to YouTube.
KTLA-TV reports on the incident that left the assailant dead, even after being tasered:
The shooting happened about 9:30 a.m. at Carl’s Jr. restaurant near the intersection of Cesar Chavez Boulevard and Atlantic Avenue.
Officers responded to a report that a man was breaking windows at the restaurant.
When the officers arrived, they saw people running out of the restaurant, according to a news release issued by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.
A man walked out of the restaurant holding a three-foot-long metal bar, police said.
Officers ordered the man to drop the bar and he refused. One of the officers shocked the man with a Taser, to little effect.
The man then came toward the officers and swung the bar twice, according to the news release.
That’s when the officers shot the man.
One officers shot the man five times, and a second officer shot the man five more times after he fell to the pavement.
Paramedics rushed him to a hospital, where he was later pronounced dead.
However, despite the department’s claims, the video doesn’t appear to show the man swinging the bar at the officers. Still, that doesn‘t mean he wasn’t threatening them. You can see for yourself, but again there are graphic images and language:
The shooting is now under investigation. Another woman was injured in the incident, according to KTLA. She was reportedly hurt by shattering glass from a stray bullet.
The AP has more on the aftermath:
(H/T: Gawker)
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PimpleJuice
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:04amGod I could go for a round of chilli cheese fries right now. Anyone else craving chilli cheese fries?
Report Post »shirtsbyeric
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:23amI haven’t had a western burger in years.
Report Post »islamhater
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:26amIf everyone was allowed to carry a gun this kind of crap wouldn’t happen. You should not need a permit or have to have permission from no one to be able to carry a gun.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:39am@ISLAMHATER I know what you mean the second amendment is unequivocal on this and it doesn’t say anything about needing a permit from the government.Every gun law passed since the second amendment is unconstitutional.
Report Post »Harry Assenback
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:17amAny idea how to send this Police Officer a box of Jellies???
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:51amNo police brutality here. Society is better off today.
ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:00amThe cops are justified! The vid crew is not! They are so beneath any words I can muster! This is bloodsport for them and they revel in violence not justice. They want to see more and more, you can hear it in their voices. Our society is sick and full of voyuers! As for the kid, he threw his life away for no good reason, nothing he was going threw was worth his life being tossed away like this. I am sure we will hear about what made this kid mad enough to tear up the restuarant….maybe he worked there and got fired, maybe he didn’t like the way staff treated his order?
Report Post »goofyfoot2001
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:11amNot saying the threat wasn‘t real but couldn’t the cops have actually stepped back a few feet? You have to be a rookie to get that close.
Report Post »Charles
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:19am@goofyfoot2001 Sure they could have stepped back. Could have bought him a cheeseburger. Maybe if they offered to let him have their wifes he would have been buddies with them for life!! Maybe you should be a cop and see how you perform. You could provide a one of the stories cops are told during training where some cop facing a nut with a weapon tried to be understanding and now his kids are taking donations from other cops to pay for college since daddy got killed trying to play footsies with an armed nutcase.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:36amThe cops have no discretion. Destruction of property is not grounds for deadly force. The cops even told me that personally when I shot in the air when some idiots tried to steal my neighbor’s motorcycle. Keyword “tried”.
Strange how no one was hurt until the cops opened fire and a stray bullet shattered glass, striking a woman.
If tasers don’t work, then why the hell are they being employed?
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:36amUnjustified. There’s a lack of training and value for human life on behalf of these public servants. How juiced up was the taser? No other cop could have popped him again with two tasers? Where was the pepper spray? I know it happend so fast, but, swinging a metal bar deserves 10 shots point blank? Many Lives are destroyed now because of this unprofessional mishandling (the suspect, the cop, both families). Why couldnt they have whooped his @ss wtih a nightstick?
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:39amSure, don’t let the dog loose, just shoot him 10 times.
Utter lack of discretion.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:41amCause4Liberty
The Nazis have a “force continuum” in place across the entire country.
They can’t wait to shoot a civilian. That’s what they signed up for.
That dark time is fast approaching.
Report Post »MarsBarsTru7
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:53amThis was poor police work. Anyone in law enforcement viewing this objectively should be able to make that call. What’s the point in spending all that money on training and non-lethal equipment if it’s not going to be used? Biggest issue I have – They had a K-9 unit there. The guy had a hold of the dog. What is the dog there for? It’s not a freaking pet!
One guy is dead and others could easily have been killed or wounded because of the trigger happy L.A. police. Nothing new there.
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:56am@ChiefGeorge. It sounds like they were shocked to me. They expected to see him get “dropped” by the taser, Not shot 10x and killed.
What do you expect out of an immoral society anyways? Both suspect and the cops involved, reflect immorality. When i was kid, we had Mario Bros, TMNT, Ghostbusters. Today, kids have Call of Duty MW3, Grand Theft Auto, and Lil Wayne/Young Jeezy. Im a fan of MW3, but little kids shouldnt be allowed to play “M” rated games and listen to adult music, thats a parental thing. But you cant fully escape it, today even Nickeloden and Disney ALL have adult themes within their entertainment. Its all apart of the plan for a “Brave New World.”
For decades they’ve been Incrementally destroying morality, the family unit, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They’ll centralize authority using a federal police state, then collapse the dollar, followed by Civil unrest, then Martial Law, and finally UN agenda 21!
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:15pm@Vman… I agree. The other week in my city a cop shot an unarmed man in the back. The man shot was a grandfather. Also just recently a skinny teenage girl took police on a 10mi wild goose chase. At least 10 cops jumped on her for arrest, when she finally pulled over. Across NC, we‘ve had at least 7 instances of ’gunman on campuses’ since November. Some cops are good and some do want to help, the unnesscary excessive force is one reason why cops get a bad rep. Another reason is that some are power-tripping above the law adrenaline jockeys. They’re on the front lines infringing our God given rights, ironically, they’re also the ones who are suppose to protect our civil liberties. SMH
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:20pmA Super Star with cheese and an order of fries… no, wait! Make that an order of onion rings. Yeah…
Anyway, to those who are second guessing the cops (as usual), just keep in mind that a three-foot long pipe can easily kill someone. And, no, you don’t send a police dog into a situation when a perp is wielding a deadly weapon (why take the chance of getting the dog seriously hurt or killed?).
Oh, and a strawberry shake, too!
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:29pm@SmithclarNC… Please refer to my first post. I think i listed 3 alternatives.
1) Another cop use another taser. — 2 Tazers woulda done the job for sure.
2) Pepper spray? — If ya cant see you, he cant hit you with a crowbar!
3) Nightstick @ss whoopin!? — Old school
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“this a-hole might have gotten a couple months got out and went froma violent vandalism spree to a violent killing spree”
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IF he coulda, Woulda, shoulda…. He could’ve easily changed his ways as well!
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“And by the way the police didn‘t kill this man HE KILLED HIMSELF ALL YOU RON PAULERS KEEP SPEAKING ABOUT FREEDOM AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY WELL HE’S PERSONALLY RESPOSIBLE FOR HIS OWN DEATH.”
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Yea, he pulled the trigger 10x at himself. Dumb@ss. The Police officers are public servants who PROTECT and SERVE. The suspect is responsible for his actions, NOT his death.
Are you Pro-Life? What about Pro-Justice under the law in court?
Report Post »MarsBarsTru7
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:41pmTo those that don’t get it – You’ve obviously never been around a training session for K-9 units. This is EXACTLY the type of situation that K-9 units are intended to handle. The dogs are trained to go after the arm that the perpetrator is wielding a weapon with. They spend hours and hours and hours with these dogs teaching them how to take down a perpetrator properly, and even how hard to bite down depending on the command. K-9 units happen to cost a LOT of money. When they aren’t used in a situation like this when they are right there, and when the alternative course of action leaves a dead person, another injured, and potential multiple lawsuits against the police… Yeah, that’s a pretty big freaking mistake.
Second guessing? You’re da** right I’m second guessing. Since when did scrutinizing events become inherently bad? There’s no room for criticism here? Get a grip.
I can’t stand idiots that bash the police no matter what they do. But, just as bad are the idiots that defend the police no matter what they do. This is an individual case that reflects a long history in the L.A. police. They’re trigger happy and they make far too many mistakes. The officers that opened fire on this guy are not criminals. The guy that was shot was the criminal. However, the police in this video screwed up royally. They did a poor job from beginning to end.
Report Post »OklahomaBound
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:42pmTime to do a head count on PauItards to see if one of their fellow anarchist is missing. If you come up short check the morgue in Monterey Park, CA.
Report Post »Regdunlop
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:43pmThey did spray him, right at the beginning of the video with no effect. Then they tasered him, again no effect. I doubt a second tasering would have had any effect either. As far as using a baton, the problem there is getting close enough to use it. That axe looking thing he was swinging had a pretty long reach. I wouldn’t expect anyone to expose themselves to potentially lethal injury I get that close. This gy was high, suicidal or both.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:56pmThe Cops did their job according to the book….Good JOB!!!! There is one less PUNK on the street…All OTHERS TAKE HEED!!!
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:05pm@ smithclar3nc3
Report Post »Is your point that the second cop shooting the already down man five times, self defense?
charleyrocks
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:07pmDid I see hand cuffs on a dying man? Did the police shoot more than 6 times? I don’t agree on what happened. One bullet in the arm or leg would have taken him down. But worst of all I don’t agree with the laughing of the boys that took the video. Just goes to show you what adults have taught their children with all the violence on TV which the adults promote, they are desensitized. Thanks Adult men for your input.
Report Post »toto
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:14pmI understand the right to carry, and support it, but I am glad the guy with the pipe (?) did’t have a gun. Also, why not use the dog more effectively?
Report Post »spirit of freedom
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:19pmi am realy sorry on this one…. i normaly side with the police…. this to me just looked like trigger happy officers. thier jobs should be to try and save lives! 10 shots?? dispicable. i work as a bouncer at a biker bar that at times gets a little rough to say the least, to myself and other bouncers that i work with we deal with worse than that with alot more tolerance than i saw in this video, all we are allowed to use is our hands (skin) arent these officers trained to thwart off a pysical attack? i am not impressed at all. the “officers” made themselves out to look like blood thirsty power mongers, and weaklings at that. maybe its just lazyness, i mean it is far easier to just blow five holes in someone than wrestle him to the ground and subdue him. and the officer that put 5 more in him while he was down should be thrown in prison! wonder why some people are seeing the police in general as just another tool of the“state” puts a nice public face out there for the rest of those who are really actually trying “to serve and protect” haha. nice job.
Report Post »arx
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:21pmThe dog was there, and in hindsight obviously should have been used. But the suspect wasn‘t making threatening gestures at the point where he quickly acted as if he was going to strike at the cop’s head. If the dog was released earlier, people would be saying “poor criminal”…bad doggee.
Report Post »nocalifornia
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:30pmIf everyone carried guns, lol. This is Californiacation we are talking about here folks, they do not allow law abiding citizens to carry firearms. If they did the gang population would become an endangered species and they would not have justification for their outrageous taxes. Remember always follow the tax dollars and see why liberal socialist do what they do! Crime equals power for socialist.
Report Post »Cause4Liberty
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:47pmThe dude shot, NEVER got around to even swinging the metal bar!
Report Post »Spyder
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:48pmWhen people lose all hope, they can do whatever they want to do. They can choose to commit suicide, but suicide has a 100% mortality rate. So at that point, the world is their oyster. Anything else tried has less of a mortality rate than 100%, so people will just say screw it and do whatever they want until they they are caught and killed. This is the reality of what is coming. Many people are losing all hope for a future and where dos that kind of thinking inevitably lead. Anarchy.
“In a society that has abolished true justice, the only true justice left is to abolish that society.”
I expect we are going to be seeing a lot more of these incidents in the coming year as things continue to deteriorate under our massive crushing debt and inevitable collapse. I weep for all we have lost in such a short amount of time.
Report Post »1eye2eye
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:56pmBeware! The zombies are on the rise! This poor soul was no doubt using the axe in an unsuccessful attempt to defend himself from the undead.He must’ve still been clutching it when he reanimated and began to roam about.This is why the tazer had no effect.The police had no choice but to go for the “double tap” head shot.Thats why it took so many shots!
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 2:02pmIs your point that the second cop shooting the already down man five times, self defense
Report Post »Could you see what he was doing through the car in video. Did he reach for his wasteband where a gun might be …..No….. no one could see except the police. End the end the man either got what he wanted or more than he wanted…either way he was asking for something.
rclubbe
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 2:11pmThe Cop was justified! 1 less thug on the street!
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 2:13pm@V-Man Mace
“Destruction of property is not grounds for deadly force.”
How bout swinging an axe at a police officer’s head…that grounds for deadly force?
Snap out of it!
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 2:18pmcause4liberty,
Report Post »Taser and peper spray don’t alway work I for instance have a high tolerence to tasers take a joilt and tense up for a second and then right back. And apparently so did the man in the video as he had one stuck in his face.
And once again I‘ll state the obvious becasue apparently you can’t see that man was violent and had intention on hurting someone when he set his sights on the officer he GOT what he asked for and more. Role reverse this man has a steel pipe and his setting up to attack your child,wife,mother,sister anyone close to you. Knowing full well that pipe could kill or permnantly damage your love one Do you tase,pepper or shoot. Come on lie to the world about pepper and tasers. You know and I know he’s dead the moment he targeted your love one.
and while you and v woman look at the police as the nazi. You don’t offer alternatives just I hate cops …..BLA BLA BLA . NAZI bla bla bla,,,,,bla bla effing bla
Well I hate laws most of them steal freedom,and take away liberty. The police aren‘t the problem it’s the law.
Dannytheman
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 2:26pmGood shoot, move along!!
Report Post »PaxInVeritate
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 2:29pm@STU D. BAKER-HAWK
Report Post »The K9 unit was implemented in the beginning to control a situation that was deemed hazardous for a human being to enter. It wasn’t until politicians, concerned about the expenditures to train the dogs, granted protection status of a police officer (understandably backed by the dogs handlers) to the dogs above the unalienable right to life of a perp. If said perp attempted self-preservation against an animal attack (which is an instinctual reaction of any human being), the charge can range anywhere from assaulting a police officer to attempted murder. In addition, news videos of K9′s effectively being used in the field to defuse a volatile situation have been called into question from time to time, do to the apparent “viciousness” of the takedown. The end result being that the human counterpart of the team becomes disinclined to endanger their partner. In which case I argue, get rid of the K9 unit, save money, and shot to kill anyone perpetrating public disturbances of any kind, because to do so forfeits their unalienable right to life.
dgPehrson
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 2:36pmGuacamole Bacon Cheese Burger, that sounds good!
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 2:37pmV- child you prove my point once again. What the hell are you doing fireing warning shots? Do yourself a favor and take a firearm safety class. Maybe when you are in there you will learn about proper use of force. This thug had a weapon that could have killed one of the officers, they did “deploy” pepper spray but it had little effect. When you shoot to stop a threat you don’t stop until the the threat is gone. This thug had the ability and intent to kill or cause great bodily harm. Good riddens.
Report Post »badswing
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 3:08pmwow, pretty excessive. first of all the other cop must have been an idiot because he was in harms way and took his eye off the guy for more than just a moment. cant be trained that way. it looks like he was having trouble getting the taser out? at least step back before taking ur eye off the guy. and why not send the dog? isnt that what they are trained to do?
Report Post »Tipdog
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 3:30pmFirst of all, is the bad guy on “God Drugs?” Meaning, has he taken PCP? Do you know? When on PCP, you are impervious to pain. Bad guys have broken their arms while trying to escape from cops cuffs. So, is he on PCP? How many bullets does it take to stop someone on PCP?
Report Post »Second, the bad guy was a clear and present danger to the officers and the public.
Third, he showed intent to harm an officer with a deadly weapon.
Fourth. Look up the Tueller drill. The guy was closer then 21 feet and could have killed the officers or anyone else nearby in less then 2 seconds.
So YES, the shooting was well justified.
Perspicacious135
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 3:34pmAfter no response to <lethal, this criminal threatens an officer with a deadly weapon. The officer with the dog fears for his buddy and determines his bullets are faster than his dog. Watch the video, you will see all shots were fired while the threat was standing and percieved as dangerous; the officers stop when they feel safe. Thank you officers for adhering to the force continuum and risking yourselves in others stead.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 3:39pmI guess Tezers are out of style
Report Post »Ari Ben TZion
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 3:52pmWell, here is an idea – why not put down the pipe and follow the officers instructions?
Then, perhaps you would not get shot.
Report Post »drago
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:12pm@v-man mace
Report Post »“Destruction of property is not grounds for deadly force.” Im not sure about Cali., but in Texas, i catch you destroying my property, and ill send your ass to the morgue with 2 .40 caliber rounds in the guts, and go back to sleep in my bed that night, no problem….
WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:15pmPunk cops could have stepped back a few feet. And whats up with shooting him like ten times? The guy was in the wrong for sure and is more than likely a bigger punk than the cops. But I dont think he deserved to die
Report Post »drago
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:15pmI want to order whatever the perp didnt…..
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:18pmCrimminals dead in the street is a GOOD thing.
Report Post »CultureWarriors
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:22pm@drago : He wasn’tt shot for destruction of property he was shot for raising an axe to swing at a cop. This was totally justified. Go try it and see what happens. Society is better off today.
Report Post »Porkchop_sw
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:23pmAGAIN!! One less criminal on the streets, and our tax dollars are not being wasted to keep this creep alive, food, and shelter in Californias already over burdened prision system. I do agree that shooting him 10x times is excessive… Those bullets are expensive, 5 or 6 times would have saved Calif a few tax dollars!!
Report Post »RabidPatriot
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:28pmThis one is easy. He started out as a vandal, then he became someone resisting arrest with a deadly weapon. You start a fight but then bring a metal bar to a gun fight. You die. Simple as that. The police have a duty to stop any deadly threat. If you don’t think some unhinged person, with a metal bar, destroying a restaurant in broad daylight, is not a deadly threat than you have issues. Maybe just a cop hater. Still pissed off that the police harass you just for committing crimes.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:41pmV-MAN MACE
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2NsXQcBtOQ&feature=related
standunited
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:48pmWatch the video closely, the guys wasn’t actually down after the first five shots, he was standing hunched over but still on his feet, watch closely and look behind teh trunk of teh car, just to the left. Good shoot.
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:50pm@ smithclar3nc3
“Did he reach for his wasteband where a gun might be …”
You seem to argue that both the taser and the five shoots he received wouldn’t work. Is it your contention that the dog would not have worked, either?
Wouldn’t you expect a man shot 5 times to reach for his body where the shots hit him.
There was no gun. The second cop shot a helpless man 5 times while he was down.
Premeditated murder!
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:55pmGoodStuff
You need to snap out of it. You’re in a “love your heroes, worship your heroes” trance. The man didn’t swing anything. I watched the video. The cops executed him. 2 taps. One to drop, one to stop. They both let him have 5 rounds for a freakin metal pole when they have extendable batons, tasers, pepper spray, physical training, restraint training, disarmament training, negotiating, etc.
drago
That’s your prerogative, and may be legal in your state. In Ohio it is not.
The idiots filming the execution…wow. Fluoride-head idiots who’ll stand idly by and watch their fellow countrymen be downed like dogs by Nazi pigs, pop some popcorn and have some giggles.
For idiots who say a metal pole is a deadly weapon, you need psychiatric help. A firearm is a deadly weapon. A metal pole is a bludgeon. Blunt instrument. Not a deadly weapon. That taser is more deadly than a metal pole. Maybe we ought to go around replacing all metal poles with plastic hollow ones, because there’s a lot of deadly weapons just lying around…get a clue. The metal pole doesn’t become a deadly weapon until it is used for such purposes. A firearm is a deadly weapon by design. So is a taser.
Neoconcorp…why must you take this opportunity to harangue me about Ron Paul? You aren’t going to convince me of anything, you’re just trying to be an annoyance. Go away.
Report Post »Black Eagle
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:05pm10 shots to put the guy down? One in the leg would have been sufficient. Five of the shots after he fell? That’s murder. We had an unarmed guy in my state who had ten cops empty their clips into him, 32 rounds in his corpse, and for what…? He was freaked out on drugs and didn’t “obey”. Or the guy in NYC who was basically machine-gunned by multiple cops using him for target practice. He was armed with… a cigarett lighter! These cops are not the people who would support or defend the Constitution. They would blast anyone reading this for failure to buy the correct light bulbs, or who dared to stand up to the New Black Panthers as they block voting stations. Beware Americans, very few in government are your friend.
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:05pm@ standunited
“Watch the video closely, the guys wasn’t actually down after the first five shots, he was standing hunched over but still on his feet, watch closely and look behind teh trunk of teh car, just to the left.”
You’re right. The second cop shot him 5 times in the back.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:05pm@ Cause
Report Post »Whoa there skippy. Lets do a little field excercise. Leave a note at home you will be right back. Grab a bat or any old hunk of steel pipe. Walk/skip like a meth head into a donut shop with your hood on and make a furtive move toward a uniform holding a firearm yelling at you to get down. Oh- check your healthcard for holes due to stupidity first.
Ray2447
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:31pmMaybe he wanted breakfast and they’d stopped serving breakfast.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AADXt6RHp8M
B_Will_Derd
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:34pmThe cops were way to quick on the trigger. None of them were in imminent danger. The victim should have been given an opportunity to calm down and realize what his situation was. At the very least they could have released the dog. One attempt with a taser shouldn’t be the last non lethal attempt to resolve that situation. And when a guy is walking towards you with a club, why not put a couple of rounds in his legs to see if that makes him rethink things? With a semi auto, it isn‘t like you can’t follow up in a hurry if needed. And on a call like that, shouldn’t it be procedure to come out of your unit with a shotgun and bean bag ammo? Having almost had my brains blown out by a twitchy cop many years ago who subsequently killed two more unarmed men on two separate occasions years later, I know that they are not infallible. That cop was found ‘justified’ first for shooting a sleeping man in his car and after being fired from that job, became a constable and killed another man who came to his door with a butter knife in one hand and a piece of toast in the other. He got fired again— don’t know where he is now. Didn’t recognize him in the video.
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:38pmDogs and Taser’s are for law abiding Americans only.
Report Post »B_Will_Derd
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:43pmthis site has the worst comment system I have seen in years. You need to adopt the style found on Free Republic without the tyrannical adherence to particular dogma censoring.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:45pmNote to self.
do not break store windows with a big stick.
If cought breaking store windows and police say “drop the stick” then drop the stick.
Report Post »libtardian-refugee
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:52pmI got caught vandalizing when I was young. The cop chewed me out, Dad slapped me senseless, Mom grounded me. Thank God I was in Iowa, California has the death penalty.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 6:05pm“The idiots filming the execution…wow. Fluoride-head idiots who’ll stand idly by and watch their fellow countrymen be downed like dogs by Nazi pigs, pop some popcorn and have some giggles.”
What were they supposed to do? They certainly can’t approach the cops, they are liable to be gunned down as well.
You also have to remember that they weren‘t filming because they thought he’d get shot. They were filming because he was drugged up and bashing windows like a madman.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 6:18pmFreedomPurveyor
I‘m actually surprised that Robocop and ED209 didn’t shoot the person recording or arrest him and try to give him 75 years to life for recording the NDAA Prison Guards.
When are the surveillance cameras with sentry guns going up? I’m practicing my grovelling to some coward hiding in a control room with access to the “FIRE” button.
But I digress, I suppose you’re right. But where is the ANGER? It seems like people are programmed to giggle too damn much… even when someone is gunned down right in front of their eyes… but i suppose I answered my own question.
They’re programmed.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 6:19pmThis whole tragedy could have been avoided if the cops simply did not respond to the call. This nice young man would still be alive and well and able to go about his business.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 7:10pmBlack Eagle
No law enforcement agency in the US (local, state, or federal) trains to shoot people in the leg.
Police are trained to shoot center mass, and you do not shoot to wound people . You shoot until you have neutralized the threat. If a police man purposely shot someone in the leg, that department would be in deep doo doo.
You have watched to much TV my friend
Report Post »livedasawsj
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 7:12pmThis wasvunjustified use of force…murder plain and simple.
Report Post »B_Will_Derd
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 7:30pmHard to reply to direct comments on this disjointed comment forum, but, IT WASN”T AN AXE! It looked exactly like my long handled paint roller with a fiberglass handle. He didn’t swing it at the cop, though he did act like he was warning the cop to back off. The cops could have easily kept their distance and waited for the guy to calm down. He didn’t run at them, they came towards him. What passes for justified is ridiculous. I was nearly shot by a twitchy cop for doing exactly what his partner told me to do– reached into my glove compartment for insurance proof. I have little doubt he would have shot me if his partner hadn’t intervened at that split second. I know his partner thought so,too. He was as shaken up and pissed off as I was. Two months later that cop shot a sleeping man in a car because he said the guy rolled over and his hand went towards the floor board. Justified! He got ‘released’. Went to the next county and became a constable. Two years later, he shoots a guy that came to his door carrying a butter knife in one hand and a piece of toast in the other. Justified! It’s all rah rah and attaboy until some twitchy coward with a badge and a gun shoots you or yours.
Report Post »amendment1
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 7:38pmThe first cop was fully justified in shooting. The criminal was pepper sprayed in the face and proceeded to swing his weapon (pick axe or similar) at the officer with no gun. He used necessary force defend his partner.
The second cop who pepper sprayed him probably did not need to shoot him 5 more times after the first cop shot him 5 times. That was a little excessive.
That being said you can not kill some one twice. So it did not matter if he shot him or not. ;)
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 7:39pm@v-mace
The only way to find offense to an violent armed criminal getting “gunned down” while threatening citizens, property, and the life of these officers is if you view police corruption as the rule and not the exception.
Do you know what will happen if you point a toy gun at an officer? I imagine you and others would be just as upset as you are on this issue. We would probably have to hear something like, the cops weren’t in danger, it was only a toy. If they would have assumed it was fake when he pointed it at them, maybe the perp would still be alive.
If the guy wasn‘t breaking the law he wouldn’t have given himself the chance to get shot.
Report Post »texasfireguy
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 7:53pmV, you‘re saying that a metal pipe isn’t a lethal weapon? Really?
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 7:54pm@ V-MAN MACE
Sure, don’t let the dog loose, just shoot him 10 times.
Utter lack of discretion.
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Kinda like when some dumb ass shoots a bullet into the air as a warning shot is considered discretion?
That’s like the pot calling the kettle black.
Report Post »B_Will_Derd
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:16pmJustified shooting— makes you wonder why the cops lied on the official report stating the guy swung the ‘metal bar’ at them twice?
Report Post »Uranium Wedge
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:45pmJustified.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:01pm@ChiefGeorge Well spoken for an armchair voyuer. People should not be watching this or commenting on it.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:13pm@rangerp
“Black Eagle
No law enforcement agency in the US (local, state, or federal) trains to shoot people in the leg.”
In most States where I have lived it’s illegal to “shoot to wound”. Imagine shooting someone in the leg to stop them; only to be arrested for not shooting to kill? Cops in Florida have to follow this Law I’ve been told. But, the Cops in Florida are such bad shots that they most likely would have missed him.
Report Post »rjs3p
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:22pmCome on now im all for the cops doing the job but putting 5 bullets into a guy already on the ground is wrong. There are some on here who would defend a cop no matter what they did. I know that alot of them are gungho ******** who get off on controlling people. You guys trust anybody the government decides to put in control of you.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:21pm“Well spoken for an armchair voyuer. People should not be watching this or commenting on it.”
On the contrary, we should watch very carefully. Cops should be held accountable for their actions, not given free reign to shoot who they please.
Clearly, he did not “swing at them twice.” I assume they said that before they realized they had been recorded. That shows you a dangerous mentality – “I can shoot without discretion, then simply say I was threatened later.”
This was clearly handled poorly. Our officers should be able to resolve a situation like that without resorting to deadly force. The officer who shot first may have been justified in shooting, to prevent harm to his partner, even though they put themselves in that position. The officer who shot him five more times in the back went way overboard and shouldn’t be wielding a gun and police authority at the same time.
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 12:47amI don’t know what I find more shocking. Well, maybe shock isn’t the right word, maybe saddening. Those shooting the video have no regard for a life lost. A man is shot 10 times right in front of them, and they laugh? I’m no prude, and I have a good sense of humor. I watch violent movies and play video games occasionally, but my mouth dropped open when they fired 10 times, even though I had read the story. My God, a man died (or was certainly likely to) in front of them and they laugh. I weep for our future.
Report Post »The other thing I find shocking (saddening? horrifying?) is two cops who handled this so badly. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is at fault and the cops were justified in using force, but 10 bullets to stop a guy with a stick? The cops had a dog, likely nightsticks, tasers, pepper spray and body armor. He had a pick axe or something similar. A little restraint is warranted. I’m a defender of cops and support them in many ways, but this was over the top. The man clearly stepped toward the cop and raised his weapon, but one bullet clearly would have pushed him back and if it didn’t stop hiim, more could have been used. 10 shots!?! I realize adrenaline kicks in and they have little time to react, but isn’t that what training is for? And if the first cop shooting five rounds in 3 seconds wasn’t enough, the second cop opens fire. What danger was he in? The guy fell to the ground. I’m just appalled. There, that’s the right word. Appalled.
AmericanStrega
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 4:44amActually, I was thinking about a Double Double with Cheese and a large order of fries. In & Out kicks Carl‘s JR’s azzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Okay, that wasn’t nice to post when the officers were in danger and had to shot an armed criminal. Sorry.
Report Post »VigilantGuardShark
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 4:59amYou see what can happen when only the Police are allowed to carry firearms. (not saying that is the case now, imagine if it were)
Report Post »Ron2
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 7:04amPimplejuice and shirtsbyEric must have been birthed by the same juicypimple!
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 7:57amBuck,
Report Post »My point is the you don’t know……That’s my point when the first cop shot him fell out of camera view.
He could have gone for his waist band where a gun would be he could have been reaching for a knife in his pocket……he could have been reach for a cellphone . Point is if he did reach for something in that area which we don‘t know because we can’t see the officer just responded to the threat. And I’ll give an officer the benfit of the doubt over a drugged maniac swinging a steel pipe.
I do and have agreed over and over did it seem excessive ….Yes. But if that man was going after one of your loved ones and you had taser,pepper,or gun what would you do use less lethal force and take the chance on him killing or permenantly injuring your family or friend. come on lie to us about pepper,,,,,,But that guy’s dead if he step to my loved ones with intent.
rangerp
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 8:30amThe-Monk\
You my friend are mistaken. No police force in the nation teaches street cops to shoot people in the leg. Googl up some police targets that have scored points for leg shots on me. Military and police targets all give highest points for center mass and head shots. Cops do not intend to wound people. A center mass leg shot can also be one of the most lethal if you hit the femoral artery. Iraqi snipers were taking femoral shots because of the effectiveness of our body armor.
No street cops are trained to wound. If they shoot you, they are trying to take you out of the fight instantly.
Report Post »Bluedog78
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 9:43am@MONK “illegal to shoot to wound” If you believe that you are as gullible as they come!!! Thanks for a good laugh though!!
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 12:04pmThey had many options open to them. So what did they do? They shot him 5 times because he had a pipe!?!? And then once he was on the ground and helpless they shot him 5 more times?!?!?! Do you know what they’d do to me if someone broke into my home with a pipe and shot him 10 times?
We can’t afford to have police officers like this.
Report Post »Virgil_Lance
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 1:46pmRANGERP is correct – It is not permissibly to shoot to wound just as it is not permissible to shoot to kill; it is only permissible to “shoot to survive”.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 4:16pmTSUNAMI-22
You idiot, yea it’s called discretion when I fire into the air instead of letting some young thugs have .357 magnum holes in them over cheap materials/property.
SpeckChaser
He didn‘t threaten any police officer’s life. Your toy gun scenario is hypothetical and irrelevant to this discussion of a metal pole. You then justify the unnecessary use of deadly force by blaming the criminal, who apparently was not himself at the time, putting himself in a position to have unnecessary deadly force used against him. That doesn’t justify anything.
Texasfireguy
A metal pole or pipe is not a deadly weapon until used as such. Until used as such, it’s just an inanimate metal pole. Totally different object than a real deadly weapon such as a firearm or taser.
Report Post »scruffycat
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 5:50pmDisobey the cops and die. Simple as that. Now lets get those yard apes that are filming it out of that car and check them out for warrants and drugs. Can you say potential 10-13 Franks ?
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 5:51pm@ V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 4:16pm
TSUNAMI-22
You idiot, yea it’s called discretion when I fire into the air instead of letting some young thugs have .357 magnum holes in them over cheap materials/property.
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Only an idiot would fire a bullet into the air. There is such a thing as gravity. Suppose that falling bullet would have killed someone…perhaps a child sitting in the back seat of a car (yes, it could have penetrated the roof ).
Not only are you mouthy, but you’re an ignorant thug as well.
Keep digging your hole.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 6:23pmV-man
Your had 3 incorrect statements in your 3 pointed post.
Incorrect statement #1 – “He didn‘t threaten any police officer’s life.”
He reared back to swing and was stopped before he could. Would being hit in the head with a pipe threaten your life? You may just have an above average hard head, in that case I understand.
Incorrect statement #2 – “Your toy gun scenario is hypothetical and irrelevant to this discussion of a metal pole”
I like the liberal stance of any logical example discrediting the falsehoods in my argument will be deemed hypothetical and irrelevant. A toy gun is a less threat than a pipe. Police are justified to shoot when a toy gun is aimed at them…apply critical thinking to that. Pick up an inanimate tree limb and charge an officer and see what happens.
You said a pipe is “not a deadly weapon until used as such.”
Is that the same thing as attempted rape is not rape until it has been completed?
Incorrect statement # 3 – “You then justify the unnecessary use of deadly force by blaming the criminal”
There are consequences for breaking the law. Vandalize property in broad daylight and the police will show up. Charge them with a pipe and you will likely be shot. The choice is yours.
This is my assumption. He first got pepper spray, then taser, and had he not reared back the pipe, the dog probably would have been their next move, but he had other plans.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 9:25amLESSON of the DAY
TRIGGER HAPPY COPS WILL MURDER YOU WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND BOOTLICKERS WILL ALWAYS DEFEND THEM.
Resist the NAZI Police State. Don’t associate with Nazi apologists.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 9:30amSpeckChaser
The police have no authority to terminate lives without discretion and claim a man wielding a pole was so much of a threat to them that they had to shoot him 10 times.
Try again. Unneccesary use of deadly force. Of course, though, they will always conclude that their use of deadly force was justified…THEY INVESTIGATE THEMSELVES INTERNALLY AND THERE IS NO OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT INFLUENCE FROM THE PUBLIC OR OTHERWISE!
It’s an all blue internal investigation, who expects them to find themselves guilty of not following their own protocol, ruiles, etc. This ain’t nothing new.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:19pm@v man
You are brainwashed. Are you really so blind that you think shooting a man who is taking a head shot at you partner with a pipe is unjustified. I guess if this was your wife or kids they would have their head removed by a pipe before you intervene, sad. Hate to have you watching my back.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 12:16amSpeckChaser
He didn’t swing it at anybody or hit anybody with it, from what I read and the video I saw.
Shut up.
Your hypotheticals have no place in reality. What happened happened.
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 9:32pm@v-man
Hypothetically, someone attempts to rape someone, how far can they go before you would be justified to stop them? Do they need to rip off a shirt? Tear off a blouse? Or in this case, does he need to cut an officer with a glancing blow? Swing and a miss? Maybe your a baseball fan and think you can swing at an officers heard as long as you don’t break your wrist.
What is clear in the grainy video is he reared back to swing and logical people see it as justified. So in the end you can get as upset as you want. You don’t even have to shut up about it. And unfortunatly for the bad guys, the law is not interpreted through your blinded eyes. I hope you get back with me on the rape example but I won’t hold my breath, seeing it disproves your argument.
Report Post »burned at edges
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:03amAlways hate to see somebody die. But if you take a steel bar, hold it like a baseball bat and take a couple hops at a cop, while other cops are pointing guns at you, You are most likely dumb and then dead. The shooting was justified imo. Could it be a case of suicide by cop? Out of his meth mind?
Report Post »Dishevel
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:44amI am pretty sure the first cops 5 shots are fully justified.
Report Post »When the second cop let off 5 more rounds it was late. The guy seemed down. the cop was in no danger. Those second 5 rounds are a little disturbing.
magadog
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:31pm…only thing missing here is the claymore under the car of these geniuses in order to elevate their commentary…verfluchte hunde.
Report Post »circleDwagons
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:47pmi’m with the cops on this one. suicide by cop. he advanced on the cop with other cops armed and trying to call him done.
Report Post »Arminianism
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:04pmDISHEVEL…. I’m with you. The second 5 shots were definitely uncalled for. The cop that fired the second round of shots needs to fired and possibly charged criminally. Then they all need to be disciplined in some fashion for all lying their a$$es off for saying the guy swung twice at the cop. You can see plain as day that he didn’t. i still think he did enough to get a few shots fired but this will definitely overboard. A corrupt police force is good for no one…….
Report Post »politicianssuck
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:57amPeople watch to much tv. You hear the guys filming it. “They should have shot him in the leg or got out a baton or something they should not have shot him like that” SHUT UP! Let me come at you with a weapon and lets see you do all this that you claim you would do. Maybe you could talk the guy into having crumpets and tea.
Report Post »HistoryFTW
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:27amThese are trained officers, not helpless old ladies who happen to be carrying guns. If the suspect had a gun out, I would sympathize a little more with their decision, but given the weapon and the distance maintained (not to mention he was totally outnumbered, 4+ cops with guns drawn and a dog) I think this was blatant overkill (no pun intended).
Yes, this is not TV, but these are experienced and trained officers who should know how to handle a situation like this by means OTHER than riddling him with bullets, even after he is down.
Report Post »ColorMeRedd
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:50amI may watch too much TV, but I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that there is a trained police dog present at the time of the shooting. I was under the impression that one of the jobs of police dogs is to subdue criminals while minimizing danger to officers. All he needed to do was let go of the dog’s collar and problem solved. The only thing left for us to do is weight the difference in cost for imprisoning someone versus potential wrongful death law-suits and/or settlements.
Report Post »Sheepdog69
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:30pmUh, genius…our training teaches us to use a gun in that kind of situation. Can I hit you with a five foot long metal pole? Are you willing to get a broken arm, ribs, head or dead? I’m not getting a career ending injury trying to arrest someone swinging a metal bar at me. Same goes for the police dog. They take thousands or dollars and months to train. They are not a disposable resource. Do you really thing a dog would not be hurt getting hit with the same pole? They did pepper spray him. Big deal, it stings. It only deters unwilling subjects. If you are focused, it’s easy to fight through it. Tasers require TWO good probe hits to work. The guy was wearing a thick jacket. Must not have been good hits. They are less lethal weapons, not Buck Rogers ray guns. Sometimes they don’t work. Clearly the guy went after the cop. All bets are off at that point. No more pepper spray, no more Taser. Now you do what you have to to ensure you go home in one piece at the end of your shift.
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:26pm@ Charles
Report Post »Please explain why the second cop had to shoot him five times when he was already down.
Buck Shane
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:35pm@ Sheepdog69
Report Post »Please explain why the second cop had to shoot him five times when he was already down.
Please do not criticize the posters unless you can address that question.
jb.kibs
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:10pmI agree with them. i wouldn’t have shot him, how many police there? they all could have jumped the mother… don‘t even try to say they couldn’t… anyone can stop a swinging bat by moving in close to their arm and rolling with it…
these cops have 0 regard for human life.
Report Post »1 shot in the shoulder, leg, arm. they didn’t have to unload a gun point blank. fools… you are next.
cappistonpilot
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 1:19pmI’m with you Charles. All of these armchair quarterbacks would have soiled themselves if placed in a similar situation. I love to watch civilians go through FATS training. They always get killed or end up killing an innocent, yet these same people criticize us when we do what we are trained to do. It is because of these kinds of people that I discourage everyone I know from going into law enforcement. It seems to get worse with each passing year.
Report Post »Buck Shane
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 1:58pm@ cappistonpilot
There were 4 policeman there. Someone with training could have taken this guy to the ground, so 4 of them should have been able to handle this guy. Instead they decided to shoot him 5 times, then shoot him in the back five more times. This was cold blooded murder.
Report Post »If you see this differently, then I’m very sorry you are a cop.
All American American
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:56amJust two questions as far as I can see:
1 – Why do you need to shoot him 5 more times after he’s on the ground? Isn’t the “threat” over?
2 – If a 2 armed citizens (not agents of the State) did this, would it be OK?
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:17am1- You’re right, the threat was over. These guys should be in serious trouble.
Report Post »The_Almighty_Creestof
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:25amThe 2nd officer firing 5 rounds after he was down was very excessive in my opinion. Why the dog was not used is beyond me. I realize they are (and properly so) viewed as actual officers and they worry for their safety, especially with a guy with a metal pole in his hands…but human life must come first.
I have no problem with the shooting (other than the dog not being deployed) because he did rear back the pole and hop towards the officer as if he was getting ready to put his full weight behind the swing.
If two armed bystanders had done this, would they be in trouble. Probably…the man did not appear to be more than a vandal until police tried to apprehend him. Civilians would have been told to leave him alone and wait for the police since he was no danger to anyone. If they tried a citizens arrest and had to shoot as the officers did…they would have been fried.
You pull your weapon to protect life…not windows. Having to protect your life with deadly force because you inserted yourself into the situation will not fly.
Report Post »spasm
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:32amThere is no excessive deadly force. Deadly force is just that, deadly. One shot to the leg can be as lethal as 100 shots to the head. You shoot to kill. Not to warn, not to injure, not inflict an insult, but to kill. You show deadly force to a police officer that has a gun drawn might as well count that individual dead. There is nothing beyond that.
Report Post »Mathew Manhorne
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:34amYour lack of knowledge shows through with your statement. Law Enforcement officers are trained and told that when you fire your weapon at a threat you fire at the threat until the threat is actually on the ground and is no longer a threat. They followed proper procedure and were justified in the use of deadly force to eliminate a threat. If your stupid enough to swing a crowbar at a cop you deserve to get shot….
Report Post »addie
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:46amBecause it ensures he dead and thus saves taxpayer money on medical, court cost and prison cost. Kudos to the police!
Report Post »Publius Novus
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:49amIf the offender had a gun & shot 1st, different story but the clown was clearly out of his mind. If the taze was not enough, they should have taken out his knee or a shoulder- the police were @ pretty close range. I‘m sure that they were afraid but they can’t take down 1 stooge without a kill? Discracefull- this is murder caught on tape. They should be in deep doo-doo.
Report Post »code green
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:52am@creestof He didn’t turn the dog loose because the dog would probably been hurt or killed by the ice ax. The situation was already condition red static, too late for the dog.
Report Post »Mess with the best and die like the rest.Good shoot.
Bookster
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:01amThe second cop who shot 5 more times when the guy was down is going to be in a boat load of trouble. The first cop had every right and the responsibility to stop the threat with deadly force, but the second cop who decided to make sure the job was complete has a good chance of looking at prison time.
As for the idiots filming it while laughing and joking……
Report Post »addie
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:07am@publius – obviously you know nothing about how police are trained. They are trained you SHOT TO KILL, NOT wound! I was trained how to fire a weapon by my local police department as a reserve officer. The first thing they told me, if you EVER pull your gun on someone, you SHOOT TO KILL! If you can’t accept that, you have no business picking up a firearm!
Report Post »Harry Assenback
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:10amThe man always had to option of putting the pole down and surrendering to Police. He decided his own outcome.
Report Post »Finaldontasy
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:16amThe first officer to fire did the right thing. Officer ******** #2 was startled because he couldn’t holster his gun even as he was looking down while still approaching the “vandal” and when he finally LOOKED UP he realized he was about to have his face bashed in. He then pulled out his gun because he was in fear, as he should have been, and fired 5 times. Excessive, perhaps, but the guy was still standing and about to fall after taking 5 already.
Report Post »Twinspeedr
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:30amThis guy was high. He pulled the taser leads right out and kept on walking! It sounded like kept attacking after the first 5 rounds hit him, and again after the second 5 rounds. It looks like he got what he asked for.
Report Post »practicallytactical
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:38amThe second cop was firing when he was still standing if you take a closer look. You can see his hoodie over the top of the car and starts to fall as he fires. The threat is still a threat if they are still standing.
Report Post »bigfatslob
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:45amPolice Officers defending them selves and the community = Heros. Spitting hairs on when to quit blasting an attempted murderer is total leftist belief, go to Hufpo.
Report Post »Witness1974
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:47amI agree. Much is made of cops being shot or beat up like they are some special class. Why isn’t any citizen allowed to defend against these petty little tyrants. I think all law-abiding citizens should be requred to be trained in the use of a firearm and have the option of carrying it concealed. How many mass shootings would have been avoided if just a few people there were armed? As it is now, cops can’t protect us; they are only there to take pictures of victims after the fact.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:05amCops are no doubt ready and willing to kill some one at the drop of a hat, the other cop shooting off 5 more rounds into the kid is proof of that and that is no false accusation on my part. It is a clear judgement that the 2nd Cop firing is unjustified. As for the first Cop, its obvious the force does not teach shoot to stop the threat but to kill it completely even while it is no longer presenting a threat. Two rounds from the gun would have subdued the kid…three more then five more? Clearly overkill (no pun).
Report Post »Bluedog78
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:17amDid you watch the same video I did? I can clearly see the guys head over the car when the second officer starts firing. The first officer was shooting one handed and there‘s a good chance that he didn’t get all his rounds on the guy. The guy didn’t fall until the second guy gave him the good news. Watch it again carefully.
That being said, it was pretty stupid to walk up within a few feet of the guy to try and get a taze. He’s holding an axe! It looks like they didn‘t have alot of officers there when the guy walked out so I can understand that they didn’t have alot of time to plan a containment. Still, the cops are lucky they didn’t get hurt because they were too close for comfort!
Report Post »All American American
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:04pmWhile the argument can be made the first cop was justified, look at the second cop. He TAKES HIS EYES AND ATTENTION off the guy. On top of that he waddled dangerously too close to the guy when he should have been staying out of range of this supposed “armed” perp. Then after he hears the shots he literaaly jumps back, clumsily tries to unholster his weapon, and after the dude falls unloads five rounds into him. OBVIOUSLY he has NO to POOR training in how to deal with an “armed” perp.
Most of you completely ignored the second question, which is if my friend and I came upon this scene and tried to get the guy to stop and he wouldn’t, is it OK for me to unload 5 rounds into him? We’re not agents of the State, just armed citizens. If you believe it is NOT OK for citizens to use deadly force to stop window-beaking, why is it OK for cops to use same?
I truly believe if this exact same thing happened and instead of cops it was two armed citizens, the DA would be arguing that the when the perp turned and raised the ax he did it in bluff and neither citizen was close enough to the guy to have been hit anyway. Further the DA would say unless the guy actually charged there was no credible threat and deadly force was not justified. Finally the two would be portrayed as two itchy-trigger finger cowboys looking to shoot the first jaywalker they encountered. You know it—I know it.
Report Post »Tinfoilhat
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 4:36pmCould it have been possible that the guy was wearing a bullet proof vest? Did the police have a chance to determine if he was? Maybe they could have asked him while he was bashing his partners head in. That might take some explaining when he had to tell his partners wife and children why he hesitated. Also when the perp was down did he reach for a weapon maybe under his jacket? Could you frigging see that? I sure couldn’t. Wake up this is reality. Swing a steel pipe at someone holding a gun and you will die.
Report Post »Tri-ox
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:56amThe guy had a weapon in his hand and he attacked the officers – the police acted appropriately.
Note to armed suspects: If an officer orders you to drop your weapon – please do so immediately.
Report Post »johnbarlycorn
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:20amJust an observation. The policeman that first employed deadly force showed no understanding of proper combat (which this is) shooting technique. At that range, using a standard issue 9 mm or 10 mm handgun with standard rounds, 5 shots in center massive would/ should put down/ killed the target. What I found amazing is that none of the police showed any attempt to ensure the backgrounds behind the target were clear. The additional 5 shots were overkill and an endangerment to all bystanders and the police themselves. Has no one heard of ricohets? In my opinon the first officer, needs to be retrained in proper tactical combat shooting. The second officer needs to be disarmed and taken of the street since he has demonstrated that he is a danger to himself and the citizenry. Finally, whoever is in charge of training police officers in this department should be admonished/ fired if this is the level of mayhem that is acceptable from the force. A last observation – those filming and commenting on the shooting; how detached from humanity they are. I have not seen such behavior accepted in the aftermath of combat from the combatants. What is happening to our humanity?
Report Post »bigfatslob
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:54amTaser, 0 effect, subject had on thick jacket ( bullet proof vest ??? ) , baseball bat swing @ officer @ close range, solution……..put as many rounds into subject as quickly as possible. Results = Good kill.
Report Post »Sheepdog69
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 12:39pmThe guy was not shot because he was breaking glass. He was shot because he went after a cop with an ice axe. If two armed citizens shot a guy five times for breaking glass, they would go to jail for murder. If two armed citizens shot a guy for attacking them with an ice axe, no problem…self defense.
Report Post »spirit of freedom
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:42pmtr – ox your statement sure makes the whole thing seem so tidy, unfortunately you are delusional and gutless just like those sorry excuses for officers. “to protect and serve” haha. i know true officers who value life and know that they are putting thiers on the the line to do what they have CHOSEN to be there line of duty. these 2 cops dont resemble them in the least. arent fit to lick thier boots. tools of the state these 2.
Report Post »Usa1Ing
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:53amI’m a gun toting, 2nd Ammendment loving conservative ………. that being said, those cops are gettin locked up. Especially the one that unloaded while he was on the ground. Say all you want about deserve and I agree the guy had it coming but those cops freaked out. No control.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:58amThe cop that put five more into him after he hit the deck will have a problem,the first cop that dropped him
Report Post »I don’t believe will have a problem.
islamhater
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:03amThere is no gang in America bigger than the police force.
Report Post »burned at edges
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:07amCould the second cop have fired not knowing they were being video taped? Just so it could not be proven whose shots killed the guy in any kind of inquiery?
Report Post »rrjenn
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:14amThey tased this guy and it didn’t faze him. I would have hit him with a bazooka until he stopped quivering. You know why valley girls take two birth control pills? For sure, for sure man. You wait until your life is threatened and lets see how many times you fire. Personally, I would empty my gun and reload until I felt safe.
Report Post »addie
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:52amCould you see if the first guy’s 5 shots killed him? Could you see if while he was down he wasn’t just wounded and reaching for a gun? NO! But you are so quick to judge arent you? Or are you some kind of psychic? Why dont you wait until the investigation before spouting your piehole?
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:16amThe initial 5 rounds were justified. The 5 rounds fired while the suspect was already down was not. Had a civilian did that, he’d go to jail for a long time. If the suspect actually had some fight left in him once he hit the ground, eliminate the threat. But 5 rounds to the chest point blank range, I doubt he had any fight left in him when he hit the ground.
However, with adrenaline pumping and your life possibly in the balance, I can understand firing some extra rounds.
Report Post »Tradman
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:52amMan! Talk about swift justice. I like this. However, understand that I do think that the 5 well-placed shots that found their target while the joker was on the ground were uncalled for unless the guy put his hands in his pockets/behind his back, etc. and caused them to believe he was reaching for a firearm. In these situations, training kicks in but I have to say that deploying the K9 would have been much better for everyone if that would have happened vs. the 2nd round of five shots being fired. The thing to remember is this: We can all sit here comfortably this morning and make all the comments we want about how this was right/wrong, etc. but unless YOU ARE THERE, then you really dont understand all the dynamics involved in the situation.
Report Post »noland
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:52amI heard the officers warning him, seems like this guy was speacial and thought He didn”t have to listen to thier commands, He took it upon himself to charge the officer with ax in hand and took a chance all the while with guns all aimed at him but He was speacial and thought He was above the LAW!! The are paid to protect and serve thier city and thats what they did..
Report Post »Darla_K
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:20amSounds like the bad guy was probably high on drugs and had no inclination to do what he was told to by the cops. If I was the second cop I probably would not of found it necessary to put 5 more bullets in the guy. The first cop did the right thing by shooting the suspect once the tazer and pepper spray did not work. Had the bad guy gotten to the cop and hit him and killed him with the crow bar, then what?
Report Post »SgtB
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:51amDoes it really take 10 rounds to down a criminal? This is another ignorant police action. They should have done something, of that there is no doubt. But shooting a guy whose only weapon is a sledge 10 times at close range is a little crazy. Either the cop cannot shoot, or he just wanted to kill the guy and not let the criminal justice system deal with him.
Report Post »myway2112
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:00amYou clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The suspect turned and was sprayed with Pepper spray, This did not stop him. The suspect then turned to hit the Officer with a dangerous weapon. The other Officer responded by shooting the suspect. So next time while your busy feeling sorry for the bad guy here is an idea…. you step out in front of the suspect and sweet talk him into submission. ok?
Report Post »Dotado
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:58amYes, sometimes it does take 10 or shots to stop the threat, depending on shot placement, how high or insane the perpetrator is or how determined he/she is. It‘s not like tv and you just don’t know until you have been there. Police are taught to stop the threat and if the threat is still a threat than you don’t stop shooting. There are graveyards full of police who died in the line of duty that did not do this and we learned by their sacrifice. But we learned and survive these assaults by the grace of God and good training.
Report Post »addie
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:00amLets just say if I was walking into a restaurant and a man came out and started heading towards my friend with a weapon, I would unload 12 bullets into him then drop my magazine and load another 12 into him just to be certain!
Also, how do you know exactly that he didnt have a gun on him? How do you know that when he was down he wasn’t just wounded and reaching for a gun he may have had in his hoodie?
You play with fire you will get burned simple as that, I am SICK of people who treat CRIMINALS as victims. I will have to start praying for people like you to face the same situation so you know exactly how those cops felt and then maybe you won’t be so quick to think of the CRIMINAL as a victim!
Report Post »Bluedog78
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:05amSGTB is just bitter he didn’t pass the entrance exam to become a cop.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:48amYou can see where the citizen raised the sledge hammer at one cop and the other cop dropped the hammer on the citizen,several times.You want fries with that?
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 7:34amsledge hammer???
Report Post »obviously you dont know what the F you were watching.
Smokey_Bojangles
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:48amInstead of Strict Communist/Nazi gun laws,maybe California needs strict Crow Bar laws.Stricter talking while being an idiot laws.
Report Post »lookatthefactsjack
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:42amWhy did they shoot him 10 times?
Report Post »Did they run out of bullets?
I say keep shooting til it’s time to reload!
lookatthefactsjack
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:57amWatch the video….the bad guy was still on his feet when the 2nd officer shot him.
Let’s think this through… armed thug takes tazer to the face and doesn’t flinch.
Report Post »Rears back to swing at officer, (while other bad guys are still in the area)
Gets shot 5 times at point blank range and doesn’t go down.
What should the 2nd officer do?? Give up?
No, he eliminates the threat. It appears that the first 3 shots from the 2nd officer (from even closer range) didn’t put him down.
Keep shooting brother.
The important thing is that the cops didn’t get hurt.
Gonzo
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:38amDon’t forget about adrenaline, cops get amped up despite their training. They are not in life and death situations every day despite what you see on TV. A lot of cops go through their whole career without firing at a suspect. Don’t walk into a restaurant with an axe and then ignore the cops when they tell you to drop the thing and there is no problem.
Report Post »lantzh
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:38amideots, he didnt deserve to be killed for vandalism. these cops over reacted and misusedused their deadly force. so if one taser didnt work hit him with two. they werenot justified in killing him. and why so many rounds? because cops are scared of their shadow ideots looking to kill someone so they can feel big about themselves. most were fat, slack and insignificant in high school so now they have a chance to be the bullies they so despised in highschool. I know because I have been there and done that and I had to work with tones of these ideots. there is nothing you can say to defend them because I know them egotistical cowards. They dont protect you and they cant protect you. they are nothing more than sceretaries with guns that work for the government to take your money and freedom.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:18amlantzh
I see you are just another liberal product of our failed public school system. When you are typing and a red squiggly line is under a word that means when you hit enter you will look like what you failed to spell correctly, IDIOT!
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 10:32amlantzh
Report Post »When you call people idiots, you might want to at least spell it correctly.
Eaglesyx
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:15am99% of you people dissing the cops have never been in combat (I have). This isn’t the movies, where one well placed shot to the forehead ends the situation. Once the shooting starts you keep shooting until there is no doubt the theat is over…NO doubt. Those officers probably carry 9mm pistols. They carry up to 17 rounds per clip. Three to five tounds is considered a “burst”. That gives time to re-sight, since recoil moves the sights off target after the burst. The burst also insures that you don’t have to reload after the initial engagement. Contrary to the genius who posted about training, these officers were WELL trained and that training probably saved the lives of innocent citizens.
This will probably start some hispanic riots and one of these officers will be scapegoated to pacify the illegals. THAT’s the only thing wrong with this justified police action.
Report Post »arx
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:44pmTo all you uniformed or willfully ignorant baffoons who say “they should have shot him in the knee, shoulder, or stopped firing after one shot, go to this link and educate yourself:
http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Godnig/vision_and_shooting.htm
High stress deadly encounters cause the loss of peripheal vision, acuity, and even the ability to process what you are seeing. It is a natural nervous system reaction that cannot be avoided. This is why police officers are correctly trained to fire center mass until the threat is down, which is exactly what happened here. Look at the video again. No shots were fired after the perp was down. Should the cops have stayed further away? Probably, but there could be a dozen valid reasons why they chose not to (afraid of the perp attacking a bystander, another perp coming out the door, etc., crossfire). Should the dog have been released? In hindsight, yes. But up until the point where he made a quick motion to attack the officer, the perp was acting casual. And you people would be the same ones to claim it was police brutality sicking the dog on the poor guy doing nothing but walking around.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 1:05pm@Arx
I read the article you provided. It was very informative. Thank you. I believe the officers were in control. They tried less means which failed. Each fired 5 rounds from weapons that possibly have a 17-round capacity magazine.
Report Post »billrow
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:42amThe dude was probably on drugs or crazy. The problem with the cops response is when your only tool is a hammer every problem becomes a nail.
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:11amThe perps reaction to the officer’s FIRST and SECOND TOOL (command authority and TASER) seems to indicate he was drugged up on something. The K9 wouldn’t have survived many crowbar strikes, dogs are more useful with fleeing perps. The officers were left with the choice to run away or use irresistible force.
Report Post »ThoreauHD
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:42am“This should help you calm down. Please come back when you can afford to make a purchase. Your kids are starving. Carl’s Jr. believes no child should go hungry. You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl’s Jr…” – Idiocracy
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:36amWas that a mask and hoodie? Is this the first wave from Soros’s fantasy yesterday?
Report Post »mcdaris324
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:35amAfter the subject pulls the barbs out of his face he turns toward the officer with the taser and raises the bar thats when the K9 officer opens fire on the subject. I’m a Park Ranger and I would have done the same thing.
Report Post »piper60
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:05amIce axe, clearly. I know the police would say they were justified in firing, but 5 shots from 2 cops? That’s 10 wounds. They could have aimed at his legs and disabled him instead of killing him.
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 7:36ampiper go
“Ice axe, clearly. “……Bzzzztttttttt WRONG try again you would make a “great” witness
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:28amIt sounds like Cheech and Chong were filming it.
Report Post »LordChaos
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:40amMore like Beevus and ********.
Report Post »Gorp
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:12amNot only that but laughing while filming it then later blaming the cops for shooting him so many times. Idiots!
Report Post »nobull14
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:27amI would have shot him too !!!! and the foul mouth butt wipes should of got a ticket for there foul speech
Report Post »Gary S
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:24amIf it were me, he would weigh at least 10 lbs more before he hit the ground.
Report Post »Dotado
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:21amThe article refers to him as just a vandal, like all he was doing was spray painting the wall. If someone came at me with a metal bar, swinging, I surly would not meet it with a lesser force. They met deadly physical force with the same as they should have. They get to go home to their families and the crazy guy got what he asked for. I expect now you are going to hear all those people asking why the police did not shoot the metal bar out of his hand or shoot him in the leg. You know, if he kept on coming after being tazed I somehow don’t think, even if it was practable which it is not, that the non lethal would would not have stopped him from caving in someone’s head.
Report Post »rckuner
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:21amThose foul-mouthed morons taking the pictures are laughing their heads off that one of their own just got killed. They should have to go home to mommy now for re-educating.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:20amNo time to deploy the dog. Mace didn’t work. Maybe this stellar video should be shown to 10th graders. Listen to cops, don’t attempt to swing anything at them. For that matter, have the single parent sit down and watch it with them. The rocket doctors in the car shooting tape may have learned something. Good shoot by the looks.
Report Post »SureYaDo
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:18amjustified.
Report Post »arx
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:45am+1. The clearly started to **** up as if to take a haycutter at the cops head. He got what he deserved.
Report Post »arx
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:50amBlaze. The use of the word c.o.c.k. is not always profane. Check your autobleeper.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:16am.
One officer shot the man five times, and a second officer shot the man five more times after he fell to the pavement…….
Reporter on scene Q: Officer, Why did you shoot him 5 more times, after he was down?
Officer A: I have trouble with moving targets…….
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:22amI’m not sure who to support in this story, the punk doing stupid stuff with the crowbar, or the Nazi cops who apparently get off on shooting people, especially when they are on the ground.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:26amAwesome!!!! Once less career criminal to worry about. Friggin punk probably thought he would disrespect the cops playing his little thug games. Guess he got it wrong. lmao!!!
Report Post »manman
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:48amDid you watch the video? The report says he was on the pavement when the 2nd officer opened fire, but if you watch he was still up. Maybe he was still a threat after the first five shots, maybe not. He took a taser to the face with no effect. You even act like you are gonna swing something at a cop you are going to get what’s coming to you.
Report Post »lel2007
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:56amI think you’ll find statistics showing that when the shooting starts (civilians or police), the tendency is to fire until empty. It’s got something to do with the high pressure panic mode involved with a life or death situation. The really ‘cool’ cops you see in TV shows & movies are really “cool” actors.
Report Post »Rightallalong
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:58amI am with you TXPILOT, there seems to be a little blood lust in shooting the guy 5 times when he is on the ground. I know a lot of you out there like to act tough and say how you would fill him with lead blah blah blah … And I am sure someone will pull the ol’ Saul Alisky move and say well when you get a badge and become a cop you will know how it is…blah blah blah…
At the end of the day, 2 or 3 well placed rounds at less than 10 feet would have done the trick…
Report Post »arx
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:27amTXpilot I think it’s easy to pass judgement after the fact, but when your heart is going 160 bpm, and your peripheal vision and fine motor controls are gone, you act on reflex. And reflex says to keep firing while any threat is perceived.
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:40amHow many in this feed have ever worked in an armed environment? How many had to make a life or death decision during a dynamic critical incident?
Report Post »Rightallalong
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 9:51amUSPatriot – by your logic, we can not be critical of the president since none of us have ever been president. And yes I have worked in an armed environment…the first gulf war. Continue to study Saul Alinsky and you can improve your tactics to redirect from the real point of the discussion.
Report Post »Bluedog78
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:24amTX needs to get his eyes checked, the video I watched clearly shows the guys head above the car when the guy was shot with the second volley, meaning his is still up and he was moving quickly to the left where there were other people standing. I think TX just gets off on calling cops nazis, trying to act like that crackhead v man.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:23pm@ patriot 101
Report Post »You are clearly the only one every near one of those scary firearm thingys since you are the only patriot too. Think a bit. Some here may have even wore black berets before they doled them out to clerks, cooks and chicks. Think-don’t let slack posts rule your thought.
prage2001
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 1:38amSpank
Can you post a link to the video you saw? It must be very different than the one I saw. The perp was clearly still standing after taking 5 shots from the first cop. Were 5 more shots needed? I don’t know. The guy HAD already been repeatedly warned to drop his weapon and get on the ground, taken mace to the face AND been tazed! Then he takes 5 shots from a handgun and is still standing and facing away from the officers. If I was one of the cops I might be thinking ” What the F&%K is this guy on? Is he reaching for something in his belt? Screw it! I‘m gonna shoot till he’s down ! ”
Oh yeah….and those decisions were all made in under 2-3 seconds.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:13amSwing an axe at armed officers and you’re probably going to die. Is that such a difficult concept? I’m sure a good number of you will blame the cops.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 8:25amThey already are… Did you hear the idiot manning the flippin camera?? What a bunch of tools!
Report Post »ICanComment
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 11:49amNarration provided by Cheech and Chong.
Report Post »dmforman
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 1:51pmI agree Gonzo. You threaten a cop with an axe, you are bound to die. I thought the incident was handled well by the police, and was fair. I hope that the cops are able to stay on the job.
For those that think the cop was out of line, I put you in that situation and see if you want to deal with pepper spray, a taser, and a gun and see which you choose if your partner was close to getting hit, or if you were the one being aimed for, which you’d want your partner to use.
Report Post »B_Will_Derd
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:41pmAX!? It was a long handled paint roller! This is way beyond what should be acceptable use of force, but cops play the ‘protecting you from them’ card as an excuse to do anything. Sort of like all forms of government. I’ve seen it before and nearly was the victim of this type of do no wrong mentality.
Report Post »B_Will_Derd
Posted on January 25, 2012 at 5:52pmThat looks to me like a fiberglass or aluminum long handled paint roller. It clearly isn’t heavy and has a diameter much smaller than an axe handle. Those who keep saying he was swinging an axe need to look again.
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 7:43amBill
you are 100% correct it is an electricians conduit bender…….PLUS for all these rocket scientists tazers do not deploy properly from less than 7-10 feet, and to pepper spray the back of a hoodie is retarded.
Report Post »THREE COPS, ONE trained attack dog and 11 shots = Murder
dont believe it?
TRY it some time with your buddy and your CCW’s. say hi to OJ for me will ya.
V-MAN MACE
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 10:16amneocon1
It was one of those poles that they use to put up the sticky window signs at fast food restaurants. He must’ve gotten it from the dining area when a worker left it there, or went behind the counter and got it.
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