‘Celebrate Reason’: New Atheist Billboard Calls Christmas a Myth
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A group called the American Atheists has paid for a huge billboard on Route 495 outside the Lincoln Tunnel in North Bergen, N.J., that is raising some eyebrows.
The billboard shows a silhouette of the Three Wise Men approaching the Nativity, with the words: “You KNOW it’s a Myth / This Season, Celebrate REASON!”
The group says the billboard is not designed to convert Christians to atheism. Rather, Dave Silverman, a spokesman for the American Atheists, says the sign is designed to encourage existing atheists who are going through the motions of celebrating Christmas to stop.
The American Atheists website lays out their mission this way:
Statistics show that nearly 50 million Americans are atheists. Some use names like freethinker, agnostic or humanist to describe or modify their position, but atheism (the absence of a belief in a deity) is broad, and encompasses all those terms. If you don’t have an active belief in a god, you’re an atheist. It’s a very good thing!
Millions of atheists are closeted, choosing to go along to get along, and feigning religion to their friends, family, and coworkers. American Atheists understands the pressure to fit in, but we maintain that for people to love you, they must know the real you.
We also assure you that, like every other person in this country, you know FAR more atheists than you think.
American Atheists has been fighting for atheist civil liberties since 1963. Our goal is equality for atheists. We want laws to be applied evenly (which mandates a total separation of church and state), and the elimination of the societal and political stigmas of being, loving, or representing an atheist.
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mtnclimberjim
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:29pmAs barry smiles
Report Post »Thomas Parker
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:28pmI‘m sure they believe that Aristotle and Plato aren’t myths. Yet, the physical evidence of their existence is far removed from when they lived. The testimonies in the New Testament were all written within 100 years of Christ’s death and resurrection. It is easily arguable the Aristotle and Plato were simply Greek myths since what we have of them was written 1000 years after they “lived.”
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:56pmthat very well may be true.
To study the classics is not to “believe” in them. I confess there is very little evidence that socrates actually lived but that is irrelivent. Its the ideas that are the most important and somebody, obviously, thought them. So i don‘t see what you’re trying to say.
Socrates and Aristotle are not gods.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:10pmWhat Mr. Parker is saying, I think, is that there is more evidence that Jesus existed than that many other ancient figures existed. I don’t get why he singles out Aristotle and Plato, though; Socrates is a better example, or the Seven Sages (Thales, Solon, et. al.), or Confucius or Lao-Tzu. But, then, not many atheists discount the existence of Jesus, although that’s what this billboard seems to be doing.
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:25pmKomponist, hello again. As you say most atheists are willing to concede that there was a man named Jesus. the limited proof of his existence does not prove any of the bible myths though.
Report Post »Thomas Parker
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 1:11pmAtheists are just hypocrites. Simple. They have turned their lack of belief into a religion on it’s own.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 6:49pmGnomeChomsky, you say: “As you say most atheists are willing to concede that there was a man named Jesus. the limited proof of his existence does not prove any of the bible myths though.” Well, there is well more than limited proof of his existence, but you are correct in that something written is little proof. On the other hand, eyewitness testimony does hold some weight, especially that of multiple witnesses. And then there is the specter that if anyone refuted what was written about Jesus death and resurrection, they could have brought the “witnesses” together to cross examine them and could have brought their own “witnesses” forward to claim none of it was true. BUT amazingling, even those who cruxified him did not discount what had been written. They killed some of the disciples, attempting to get them to recant, but they had seen the truth and would not deny it, even to their death. NO one dies for a lie.
Report Post »NHABE64
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:27pmI have another great myth for Atheists.
ATHEISTS ACTUALLY HAVE BRAINS. Sorry, its a MYTH.
ATHEISTS are human beings. Sorry, another MYTH.
ATHEISTS will not be judged by God for being stupid and not accepting HIM.. Ooops, another MYTH
ATHEISTS will not go to heaven. TRUE!
Nvrforget
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:53pmYou must be a hit at parties.
Report Post »teahugger
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:24pmI was once an atheist, so I understand where they are coming from. In order to legitimize their beliefs, they have to cut down the beleifs held by the majority (which happens to be Christianity in America). I don’t think they would feel so free to attempt to stigmatize the majority religion if they were in a muslim country. They are blind and lost…pray that they see!
Report Post »Iamtheoracle
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:23pmThats OK with me – I will REASON that you are wrong but that in our great country where we can celebrate freely- I chose to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:16pmOn the wrong day!
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:53amGnomeChomsky, pray tell, what is the “right” day? But on another note (from one so knowledgeable) please tell us about the star that the Magi followed, when it appeared, and how it moved.
Report Post »alwayssora
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:20pm. If you don’t have an active belief in a god, you’re an atheist. It’s a very good thing!
A good thing? To load hell because some are too ignorant to see the beauty around them that GOD CREATED? I fail to see anything good about this.
Report Post »I am so thankful that I was told about the Lord Jesus and call HIM my dearest and best friend. Without Him I would be nothing!
komponist-ZAH
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:55pm“…some are too ignorant to see the beauty around them that GOD CREATED”
This a good point. No one would look at a painting and assume that the paint just fell on the canvas that way at random, nor would they look at a sculpture and assume the rock just formed that way naturally. A work off Art presupposes an Artist.
Report Post »However, as good a point as it is, it doesn’t provide logical proof, but nevertheless is something to reflect on.
GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:14pmIts not a very good point at all, someone did indeed create the painting but in turn someone had to create the painter and on and on to infinity. Simply put, if you believe that something is so intricate or complex that it had to have a creator then logically the creator would be greatly more complex and intricate then its creation and therefore would require a creator as well. Which in this case we do have a creator for god, man.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:47pmAnd yet you insist there is no Creator. If there is no Creator, then everything just happens on its own–it creates itself. This is illogical. As I said, the point doesn’t offer any proof, it’s just something to reflect on.
And another thing: why would anybody “create” a god that they knew wasn’t true and then die for it?
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 6:30pmBecause no one died for it. the concept of “god” didn’t just pop up when Jesus came to being. It had been around for millenia. Man in his early ignorance needed explanations for everything, the sun, moon, stars, rain, volcanoes, earthquakes. With no one around to explain why fire was shooting out of that mountain or why the ground was shaking man imagined an invisible being that was causing this to happen and began to worship this all powerful man. fast forward thousands of years to judea the people already believed in a god and believed that jesus was him. they died for a false belief not something they knowingly fabricated.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:49amGnomeChomsky, each of the disciples were killed for their beliefs (except for John). Why would they allow themselves to be murdered for a “lie”? Are you aware of anyone who would die for a lie? They were with Jesus, some watched his cruxifiction and burial. They all claimed to have seen him after the third day, even doubting Thomas who had to see the nail scars. If they didn’t see and know these things, why would they go quietly to their deaths? Your grasp of the Bible and extrabiblical writings seems pretty shaky.
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 2:19pmSparky, what dont you get? they didnt think it was a lie, they believed in a god, after they started following jesus they believed he was that god. they didnt knowingly die for a lie, as you guys keep repeating which is ridiculous, they died for a belief, unfortunately a false one.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 9:13pmWhy don’t you get it? They did know what was true. They were with him for years, watched him die, watched the tomb he was placed in, found he had risen and was not in the tomb on the third day, and saw him a number of times after his resurrection. They witnessed to this, They told people about it. And they died because they would not recant what they themselves saw with their very own eyes. They died for the truth, not a lie, and not for an unfounded belief as you suggest.
Report Post »cotuit
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:13pmOr the free exercise there of.
Report Post »60yroldfemale
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:12pmHeadspinning logic “join me in believing in what I don’t believe in”.
Report Post »From the story”Our goal is equality for atheists.” Well then where is the sign with a Mosque in it?
Hypocrites!
You are in a lot more danger of losing your rights to remain alive from a teenager in Portland.
GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:05pmlast I checked there weren’t any federally sanctioned muslim holidays
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:28pmGNOMRCHOMSKY You want a federally sanctioned holiday then move to a country that has one.
Report Post »alienguns
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 6:20pmhey chrome …..and hopefully never will be any
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 9:11pmYou guys do know that Christmas and Easter are federal holidays right? That would make them federally sanctioned religous holidays, which goes against the constitution that you all claim to want to uphold.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:42amGnomeChomsky, again with the misinformation. You have just enough truth to appear “truthful.” However I’d challenge you to show us where Easter is a federal holiday (betchacan’t). On another note, Christmas is more than a Christian celebration. There is a secular side to Christmas that includes a chubby man that brings gifts to all the boys and girls. It is a time to reflect on how one should really be to his neighbors, and there is the spirit of giving rather than receiving. For this reason, Christmas is typically a day off on our calendar.
Report Post »Bigalisnotlost
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:12pmBelieve what you want but I want to be on the right side helping our fellowman
Report Post »Buttercup
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:12pmWow, a two thousand year-old myth! I hate to tell the atheists, but atheism IS a religion, because a religion is merely how one expresses their faith (even if it’s in REASON). Have they checked out Thomas Aquinas‘ Proofs of God’s Existence, based on the Greek philosopher Aristotle: Unmoved Mover, First Cause, Everything Comes from Something, Supreme Model, and Grand Designer. Yeah, Thomas Aquinas — very big on Faith and Reason, too.
Even if atheists don’t wish to believe in God, I’m sure that God still wishes to believe in them. And I‘m sure they’ll all be working on Christmas to take the place of those who still do believe.
Jesus is the reason for the season!
Report Post »angelite49
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:46pmOne must first be educated to know these things, Buttercup. One must have a sense of history that predates oneself. And perhaps, the gift of faith, which these poor souls either have never received, or have rejected unopened. I’m sorry for them. Finally, if one has all of these things, it can happen that one might experience an unequivocal moment which erases all doubt. I, for one, KNOW it is NOT a myth. I doubt the billboard will change any minds.
Report Post »conservativeone
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:09pmAtheists are just as mentally as their Liberals brothers and sisters. Always the Victim
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:01pmFunny, it seems the common theme on this site and by christian conservatives in general is always how everyones out to get you, attacking you, or taking something from you. Now remind which of us has the victimization complex?
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:20pmGNOMECHOMSKY! If you don’t like the people on this site, feel free to leave.
Report Post »Sweet Sister
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:08pmSatan is working overtime this Season.
Report Post »cliKKer
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:08pmIf it is a myth then why embed Christian symbology into their message. Why not just say “Believe in Nothing” without having to show a christmas scene. Me Thinks they protest to much. They are not “atheist” they are anti-christianity. Also… why do we not see these same billboards at Ramadan depicting Islamic scenes? or are they just cowards and not anti religion but anti christian.
Report Post »alienguns
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:18pmyep–you got it right here—-anti Christian COWARDS
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:30pmyup,,,anti-Christians. Big differance-and that makes their activities a hate crime.
Report Post »MoreCowbell
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:38pmyou hit the nail on the head.
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:58pmUmm because this isnt a muslim dominated country and we aren’t bombarded with muslim imagery constantly
Report Post »whybother
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 1:31pmChomsky….explain this: how did it START….where did the 1st LIVING molecule come from and how is it that energy can never be destroyed or created? Where does your physical life force energy go when your physical meat suit expires???? hmmmmm?
Report Post »conservativeone
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:08pmGod Bless ….
Report Post »dontbotherme
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 8:54pmThank you.
Report Post »conservativeone
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:07pmAmazing how Christians are always accused of pressing their beliefs on others, yet Atheists always try to “hi-jack” Christian Beliefs & Holidays to elevate their agenda.
Why can’t Atheists leave Christians Beliefs alone and find their own identity ??? Why must they sponge off Christians to try and elevate their Godless views ???
It’s typical of Atheists though, they always insult others to force their agenda. They deface the Christianity Sign of the “Fish” by putting legs on it and then calling it their own.
Atheists always show up around Christmas time with their Ads and hate.
Their goal is for “equality for atheists” ??? LoL !!! Everyone is always a victim.
Report Post »Pike
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:07pmWow. Is this really what we’ve been reduced too in the United States? From a God-fearing nation to a God-Denying nation. The birth of Christ was a fact, atheism is the fantasy…
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:25pmthey don’t want you to believe either.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:36pmmost atheists don’t deny that there may have been a person named jesus who was born (not to a virgin) but we assert he did come back to life after he died.
The true “fantasy” is quite obvious.
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:42pmButcher I believe you meant DID Not.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 9:30pmMr. Butcher, there were plenty of witnesses who saw that Jesus was not in the tomb. Others saw him after he rose from the dead. Plenty. Many of these people were alive when the Gospels were discussed and then were written. These people had every opportunity to dispute the witnesses, expecially quiet were the Pharisees and Sadducees. Nowhere is any rebuttal to the resurrection written by the people of that day. This is something you should very carefully research, so that you make your decisions from an educated standpoint, not from ignorance or the urging of others who want no one to believe.
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 10:32pmHow reliable of a source is the bible? It cant even keep the resurrection story straight. Was 1,2,or 3 people who witnessed? Was it Mary or mary or joanna or just mary mag. or what? Were the angels sitting on the stone or were they standing by the opening or were there no angels at all?
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 11:15pmGNOME – You can‘t read one or two verses from the Bible and assume it’s lying or ‘conflicting’ without reading the passages before or after those verses.
If me and Jesus are standing around talking and you are standing there too, but not engaging in conversation, does that mean you weren’t there? Or does that mean you weren’t the focus of that part of the story?? (in reference to how many angels were at the tomb)
Please educate yourselves when trying to disprove the Bible. It looks REALLY badly when you google stuff instead of actually reading the Bible yourself and seeing the truth. Just a thought.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:24amGnomeChomsky, one must be very careful when going down the path you have. Conflicts? What conflicts? While one Gospel writer may have mentioned that Mary went to the tomb very early in the morning, notice it did not say she was alone or that only one trip was made. While another Gospel might mention Mary and Salome, it does not state that there was no one else there. As to the Angels, can they not move from place to place? So what if one person claimed to have seen them on the stone while another might have claimed to have seen them inside the tomb. Is there anything in the Gospels with an exact time line of that morning at the tomb that would indicate people saw them in different places at exactly the same time? On another note, how many people have even seen angels? They typically only seem to show themselves to a select few people. Your bias is causing you to discounting a narrative based on your incomplete study of the facts. So before you go spreading lies, you should take a much closer look at what you call “conflicts.”
Report Post »J.C. McGlynn
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:06pmYet, when asked to prove God does not exist they look confused. Atheists don‘t seem to be able to explain anything they can’ see or touch.
Report Post »Malachai
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:28pmYou realize it’s impossible to prove a negative right?
Report Post »GnomeChomsky
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:32pmBecause the onus is on believers to prove God does exist, not the other way around. You cant prove something does not exist.
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:15pmTO GNOMECHOMSKY The onus is NOT on us to prove God exists. That is just dumping the problem on someone other than you atheists. CAN YOU PROVE HE DOESN’T? NO, YOU CAN’T!
Report Post »Malachai
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 8:12pmOf course you can‘t prove he doesn’t exist, genius. It’s impossible to prove a negative. Yes, the onus IS on you to prove he does.
Prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does NOT exist. Go ahead, I’ll wait
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 8:13pmThe Almighty God himself will prove that he exists! We will see it soon.
Report Post »wash1776
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 12:04amTO MALACHI1 No! It is not impossible to prove a negative exists. YOU DO DON’T YOU?
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:56amGnomeChomsky, then why are you trying to prove God does not exist? You’ve gone on about a creator needing a creator, and the so called “conflicts” in the scriptures. Sounds like you are believing He does not exist, counter to what you’ve just said about who has the “onus.”
Report Post »yomamasopretty
Posted on December 2, 2010 at 9:33amYou’re right. I can‘t prove that superman doesn’t exist. All hail superman.
Report Post »alienguns
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:06pmbut…but……what if you are WRONG…:)
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:51pmwhat if you’re wrong about Zeus or Thor?
you’ll be in for a rude awakening too.
Report Post »alienguns
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 6:06pmhey butch…I’ll take my chances with zeus and thoror
Report Post »MikeinIdaho
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:06pmOOOH, Jesus don‘t like it when you don’t respect Him! Atheists are going to be in for a rude “awakening”, aren’t they?
Report Post »judeslice
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:28pmOk then why do Chrisitans lie to their childern about santa claus and the easter bunny? I am also a little confused about the 3 kings, they visted Jesus after he was born some time before he was 2 years old. So is this not a lie? is it true that they were there? So when we talk about respect don’t we have to look in the mirror first?
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:34pmto judeslice
I don’t understand you -what is it to you if someone is Christian? Are you that miserable that you want to share it? Or do you just hate life?
Report Post »judeslice
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:34amto slinet watcher
I do not hate life and you should not assume things. So do you think it is ok to lie to your children? do you think it is ok to tell your children not to lie , but turn around and lie to them? Do you think it is ok to worship God with stockings, santa claus and, so on. I do not care if people who hate God actually do. What I can’t stand is people who claim to be something and turn around and act differently. If you think it is a good thing to lie to your childern about a idol then go about doing it.
Report Post »whybother
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 1:33pmlittle Judey…when you finish college and start raising children, you will change your “certainties” about child-rearing…until then, stop believing all the bs your socialist professors are filling your little head with….ask some questions of your own
Report Post »judeslice
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 2:59pmTo whybother
Report Post »You should not assume things. I am not little. Second me and lefties do not get along, but the one thing I will say is that we respect each other. I am not talking about the Crusades. I am talking about the hatred that Jewish people went through mostly by the Christians form the 3rd century C.E. on. Like the Blood Libels, the fact that they were blamed for the Black Death, pogroms (little Holocausts) expulsions, Inquisitions, and so on. The crusades were a tiny part of Christian hatred towards the Jews. And this hatred caused the atmosphere need for Hitler to kill 6 million of them.
Martin Luther, Calvin, Popes, Several Church fathers and on and on are not religious nut jobs. In fact a lot of the people that spoke harshest against the Jews are considered within the church as good leaders.
If Christ is about love, and we should respect and have non judgment towards other then what are you doing to me. Like when you say little Judey, and you are a deluded fool. Are you trying to tell me that Israel was not born out of the Holocaust and the UN had no involvement with this process?
So just because you assume that I have no children or have not raised any. When I do I will find it acceptable to lie to them. And you think that these liberals are filling my mind with ideas like if you truly Love God then you will not disobey Him by lying to your children about an idol (Santa Claus). That is interesting seeing how liberals hate God. But maybe they don’t, maybe they secretly love God.
Hey, one more thing I do think for myself and I have asked questions, but unlike you they answer so here they are again.
So do you think it is ok to lie to your children? Do you think it is ok to tell your children not to lie, but turn around and lie to them? Do you think it is ok to worship God with stockings, Santa Claus and, so on?
Last time I checked Christians were supposed to be Holy because He is Holy and if you do not know that means set apart, not like everybody else.
Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:14pmJudeslice, Christians do not lie to their children about santa clause and the easter bunny, at least none of the Christians I know. Perhaps if you know any Christians who do, it would be good if you asked them why.
Report Post »As to three kings, the scriptures speak to “Magi” or “Wise Men,” that traveled from the East (a very important fact, as Babylon was to the East, where Daniel trained such Magi while he was alive – probably jewish men who would have an interest in a Messiah and an understanding of what signs to look for in the sky). So, they were not kings. Also, there is no mention in the scriptures as to how many Magi traveled to see Jesus. Probably the number three is considered is because the scripture speaks of three gifts – but it is never said that there were three Magi. If you read the account of their travel and their visit with King Herod, you will understand that Jesus was around 2 years old at the time of their visit. Agreed, you are confused. Perhaps you’ve heard so many differing things from so many different people. This is why it it good to go to a source document. Perhaps you don’t believe the Bible, but you could at least find out what it actually says so you don’t keep believing what confused others might tell you. Read starting in the book of Matthew, chapter 2, verse 1 through 18. Here you will also discover that Jesus lived in a house by now, not in the manger.
Sparky101
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:22pmjudeslice, I don’t know any Christians that lie to their children about santa clause and the easter bunny. Perhaps if you know any Christians who do, it would be good if you asked them why.
Report Post »As to three kings, the scriptures speak to “Magi” or “Wise Men,” that traveled from the East (a very important fact, as Babylon was to the East, where Daniel trained such Magi while he was alive – probably jewish men who would have an interest in a Messiah and an understanding of what signs to look for in the sky). So, they were not kings. Also, there is no mention in the scriptures as to how many Magi traveled to see Jesus. Probably the number three is considered is because the scripture speaks of three gifts – but it is never said that there were three Magi. If you read the account of their travel and their visit with King Herod, you will understand that Jesus was around 2 years old at the time of their visit. Agreed, you are confused. Perhaps you’ve heard so many differing things from so many different people. This is why it it good to go to a source document. Perhaps you don’t believe the Bible, but you could at least find out what it actually says so you don’t keep believing what confused others might tell you. Read starting in the book of Matthew, chapter 2, verse 1 through 18. Here you will also discover that Jesus lived in a house by now, not in the manger.
whybother
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 10:31amJude: I guess imagination development is bad from your “intellectual” viewpoint …like disney movies, the tooth fairy etc etc etc…. Again, you have already stated you are in socialist camp ..oops I mean college…. until you grow up and enter the real world, you have very little experience to form opinions on other than the slanted texts you are reading.
As someone with Jewish heritage (although raised RC) I see and have felt the Anti-Semetic stupidity throughout my life. Believe me, I do not take lightly the hatred for the Jews. It is disgusting and offensive to anyone with sensibility.
However, Christ IS about love and non-judgment. My point to you is stop listening to the small sphere of libs that are so obviously influencing your thoughts and think for yourself. I am not judging you as a human being, merely trying to open your mind to understand NOTHING is black and white as you are trying to make it. I know why you have that view.
As far as “lying” to my kids about Santa and the Easter Bunny…..Yes I will continue to tell my kids these things exist because it brings joy to their lives when they wake up Christmas morning at 5, run downstairs and see the half eaten cookies and empty milk glass! They LOVE to search for eggs hidden through my house. When they no longer find joy in those endeavors, it will end.
I feel bad that your parents deprived you of imagination and the joy of these types of activities.
Report Post »judeslice
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 10:35pmwhybother
My “intellectual viewpoint” you should not assume things.
Report Post »Interesting lying to your children is “imagination development”?
“Until you grow up and enter the real world” again you should not assume things but what does this have to do with it?
“You have very little experience to form opinions on other than slanted texts you are reading.” Again you should not assume things. You have no idea of what I am reading, and last time I checked God hates Lying. But maybe the Bible I read is wrong. And it does not matter what I fill my mind with lying is still lying.
“However Christ is about love and non judgment” Interesting I will leave Love alone for a second, and address this issue of non judgment. Have you ever heard of the story of Noah? Sodom and Gomorrah? What about the Day of Atonement? Maybe the Bible I have read is wrong but this seems to be judgments’.
Now to this love thing, so lying to your children about Santa Claus and the Easter bunny is loving them? Amazing, you teach your children to keep the 10 commandments, then out of the other side of our mouth you break them. Did not Jesus say if you love me keep my commandments? Or again maybe the Bible I have read is not true. So worshiping idols and teaching your children to lie is really loving them?
Before you get all crazy on me, I am not saying you do not love your children, what I am saying is you have no idea what it means to Love God’s way.
Now again I am like a record you should not assume things. My parents did lie to me about Santa Claus and the Easter bunny, so they did not deprive me of any joy in these types of activities. And when they told me when I was a little boy not to lie, I would ask why? You do? Boy! This would get me in so much trouble.
I always get accused of the black and white thing, I do not care gray areas help people justify many things and if you want to keep lying keep going. Christmas is pagan and so is Easter. Keep dancing around the golden calf
judeslice
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 10:58pmSparky 101
Report Post »Hey sparky read the post by whybother just below yours. Seeing how above 80% of this country believe themselves to be Christians I find it very hard that you do not know or that you do not think that they do not lie. Maybe you are isolated some where, or you do not know a lot of people.
Here you are saying “This is why it is good to go to a source document.” And “perhaps you don’t believe the Bible, but you could at least find out what it actually says so you don’t keep believing what confused others might tell you.” This is interesting sparky here you are telling me to go to a source document and find out what it says, so why don’t you listen to your own advice. Could you please tell me were this appears in the Bible. (Probably Jewish men who would have an interest in a Messiah…) is this not our own viewpoint.
Now to your point, I do not care if they are three kings, Magi’s, or what ever they do not belong in the naivety scene. They were not there, as you have said. So 80% and above Christians who lie to their children also have no idea about the story they hold so dear.
By the way can you please point out where God said that we should be celebrating Christmas or the authors of the New Testament? Or Easter? How about what day He was born on? Why don’t you take your own advice and look at when these two forms of Pagan worship were instituted. I can show you plenty of verses that talk about keeping the Feast of the Lord.
judeslice
Posted on December 3, 2010 at 11:17pmhttp://christophers17blog.blogspot.com/2010/07/for-sake-of-love.html
Report Post »find out who I am, and what I doing before you judge me.
WTSpike
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:06pmIf a town wants to put up a Nativity scene, let them. It is hurting no one. If the celebration of Christmas is so abhorrent to you, then don’t celebrate it. But for those who choose to abide by their faith, go to church, celebrate Christmas, et al, they are not hurting anyone one bit. If you so choose to be such a curmudgeon over the celebration of the Christmas holiday, then you should put up no tree, buy no one any gifts, and go to work on Christmas day for regular pay. Live and let live. People’s religion often gives them a positive moral compass. So even if you don’t believe in the whole Nativity story, find your own reason to celebrate the season. It’s good for you.
Report Post »grandmaof5
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:47pmThat was nicely said. If your religion, or lack of, gives you moral character and comforts you then more power to you. Unless there is an underlying motive, which I suspect Spooky Dude and his minions are trying to push, I see no need to put up billboards with these types of messages. Personal beliefs are just that, personal; celebrate Christmas/don’t celebrate Christmas, pray/don’t pray, believe/don’t believe and hopefully logic will get you through the tough times in your life (like why would a beautiful 20 year old dancer and college student be taken away from her family when she had her whole life ahead of her).
Report Post »Taquoshi
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:47pmQuite truthfully, I think it would be most interesting if the people are atheists do stop celebrating Christmas. They won’t have to purchase holiday cards to send to friends and relatives, they won’t have to purchase holilday gifts for friends, family members and co-workers. If their boss gives them a holiday bonus, they can either cheerful return it saying, “Thanks for your thoughtfulness, but I don’t celebrate this holiday” or maybe give it to a charity, like the ASPCA. They can skip all the holiday get-togethers and dinners. And they can skip the sales at the malls or pay full price for whatever.
Sure, they can do all that. No one is stopping them. No one ever told them they had to participate, either. Personally, our family doesn’t celebrate Chinese New Year, Cinco de Mayo, Halloween or Guy Fawkes Day. And I know lots of people that don’t celebrate Easter, either. No biggie.
I guess these people feel threatened and imposed upon. I’ve been told that Swiss Kriss is very good for constipation.
Report Post »blacksmith
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:05pmWho is discriminating against ateists? This is just another small minority that wants special treatment from the government. The 50 million mentioned could just as easily except Jesus as their Lord and Saviour just as I did 10 years ago. This failing to admit the truth is not fatal until you are dead but with Jesus I now have eternal life and less fear on this Earth. Get right with Jesus folks and live a better life.
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:50pmyou perfectly illustrate the “persecution” of non-believers with your ignorant post. I’m actually laughing out loud right now!
good job. I couldn’t have said it better.
Report Post »Sparky101
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:21pmTrue, you couldn’t have said it better, you aren’t capable of that. What an ignorant post.
Report Post »dkhartman
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 10:57pmActually, if YOU, an athiest, don’t believe in anything, you shouldn’t be offended? Why would you be offended by something you don’t believe? I don’t believe in Islam so there is NO way on earth anyone could offend me with it… So, I’m actually the one laughing here….
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:52amMrButcher-S**t So you are lol right now…that is your true purpose in life isn’t it..to attack others and derive joy from causing them sorrow;;;typical atheist…I bet you Pee in the public pool too!
Report Post »steinie44
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:05pmWTF! What about MY Civel Liberties?
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:47pmdo you mean to suggest that a sign on the side of the road is an infringment on your civil liberties?
c’mon!
Report Post »Nvrforget
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:51pmYep. You have no right not to be offended.
Report Post »TomBurpee
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:39pm@MRBUTCHER
The KKK isn’t infringing on the rights of Blacks then, eh?
Neo-Nazis aren’t infringing on the rights of Jews/Blacks/Anyone Different, eh?
New Black Panthers aren’t infringing on the rights of whites, eh?
This billboard is hate speech. Free speech yes, but hate speech. It infringes on the rights of American Christians as just as much as a nativity scene on the front lawn of a town office, or on private property infringes on the rights of atheists, or other “offended” religions.
Right and wrong don’t choose sides. Opinions **OF** right and wrong, do, however, take sides.
Report Post »ADMIRAL747
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:04pmI’m betting on Obama voters. Do these people ever attack Jews or Muslims or is it just Christians who are tolerant enough not to sue?
Report Post »judeslice
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:23pmJews have all been attacked in one shape or form and it has been christians behind most of it.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:27pman incorrect ‘generalization’. I‘m a Christian and I wasn’t behind it.
Report Post »ADMIRAL747
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:33pmSo I guess the Jews should ally themselves with the anti-Christian atheists. Wasn’t it the Christians seeing the error in their ways and therefore granting Israel statehood. I don’t see many Chrisitans blowing themselves up under the guise of Christianity over the last 50 years. No, Oklahoma City was not based on it. You’re right, Muslims and atheists are the true friends of Judaism. Christians are the only friends Israelis have left and I‘d like to know what clouds your mind so much that you can’t even see it.
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:41pmAnd so how many Jews live in Saudi Arabia? Egypt, Syria, Libya? Just give these hate crazed muslims a chance.
Report Post »A religion of peace! What kind of peice, perhaps pork!
yintercept
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:52pmThe really funny thing about this billboard is that “reason” plays a central role in the Christian tradition. (CS Lewis found that if one examines Christianity as if it were a myth, one will discover it is a well reasoned myth, ie, the true myth Historically, we find Christians were engaged in the process of reason from day one, with intense intellectual efforts such as scholasticism..
(I hold with CS Lewis that it is beneficial to examine Christianity as a myth, for we end up learning a lot about the western tradition this way).
Conversely, on reading leftist literature, one finds that myth plays as central a goal in leftist thinking as Christianity. Of course, the left is interested in engineering society through the creation of new myth. For example, the idea of a black man rising to the presidency and giving the people socialized medicine is a central myth of the left.
The left cried racism to every attempt to debate health care because the theme fits their stinking little myth.
If one actually spent time studying the modern uses of the term “myth.” One realizes that this is a truly absurd billboard. Atheists and other fanatics of the left are as entrenched in their own mythologies as Christians.
Report Post »komponist-ZAH
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:40pmInteresting points, YIntercept, and it is true that reason has always played an important role in Christian thought. And here’s another leftist/atheist myth: the gulf between religion (especially the Catholic church) and science. It is entirely ignorant to say that Christianity has been hostile to science, history disproves this. The first university in the western world was founded in Paris by the Church, not to mention the countless monks who spent hours, even years, to painstakingly hand-copy the philosophical, scientific, and literary works of antiquity. If anything, in the past few centuries it is science that has been hostile to religion.
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 8:45amEver heard any other religion use the name of there deity to curse? For example ever heard Buddha damn it, or for Mohammad sake. It’s universal only the Name Jesus is used as a curse word, GOD the father also. Why? You only attack the truth, every Liberal and atheist knows that. No sense in cursing something false. So, now you know.
Report Post »judeslice
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:22amPlease, the simple truth is that the Christian have lead the way in the mass slaughtering of Jews for Centuries. I have just sat through A Jewish Messiah class at OSU this quater, and learned all about different movemments through the years. I did my paper on oppression being a a part of these movements, and as I said before it was Christians leading the way in this oppression. I would also take point with you about christians granting the Jews a homeland. I will say it was the haterd of the christians throw the years that made that homeland possible. The Holocaust was the end result of and is the reason they are home.. And it was the un that gave them the land. I will also take point about christians bombing things and killing people did not that abortion doctor from Kansas get killed by a christian, was not eric rudolph a christian who bombed abortion clinics? O yeah one more how is it that christian organizations meeting with Humas and condeming Israel is friendship? I have done my research on this issue how about you?
Report Post »whybother
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 12:39pmJude: the fact that you are in college leaves much of what you say in question…..facts are most professors are hard core lefties and slant their classes with extremism.
Yes, the crusades were Christians slaughtering Jews and muslims. More killing in the “name of God” throughout history than for any other purpose. Reality is, most religious nuts have no idea what their particular religion actually teaches.
Christ is about love, respect and non-judgment of anybody for any reason. Focus on you and you will be happy, abundant and ABLE to help your neighbor that needs help.
Report Post »whybother
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 12:44pmomfg! Jude….you are a deluded fool if you think the UN gave Israel their land….Israel exists because they FOUGHT for their land and was backed by the Judeo-Christian America.
Check your premises and review the history of the people that wrote the texts you learn from. They ALL have agendas and your job is to find out their particular angle before accepted their “facts” as rote.
The way to learn is by researching all angles, not just the text suggested by your uber-lib professor kiddo!
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 4:31amWho would they sue and for what? Exercising their 1st Amendment rights? News flash, private citizens using their privates resources have the right to publish and say whatever they want so long as it doesn’t cause real and immediate physical harm.
If anything, the atheists are saving Christians from a great deal of psychological trauma having to worry about hell and whether or not they’re going to it.
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:56amNo, Just Christians…what do you expect from COWARDS.
Report Post »Velkro
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:02pmRegardless of whether a person believes in Christmas or not, what is so wrong with a holiday that encourages people to think of others and be charitable?
Report Post »REETZBEE
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:33pmI’m not a Christian but I do believe in God. I do like the American tradition of celebrating Christmas because it brings family together and people are more kind to each other around the holidays. If believing in Jesus gives people hope and someone to turn to during difficult times, Atheists should back off on the mockery of a persons religious beliefs.
Report Post »guyperram
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:38pmNothing, so long as it doesn’t make some muslim radical angry
Report Post »MrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:39pmnothing. celebrate christmas all you want.
Atheists aren’t trying to ban your beliefs or christmas. We just question them publicly and put the onus on the believers to justify and explain their beliefs. what’s wrong with that?
silentwatcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:50pmwant to talk about it is good. But you don’t need to slam Christianity and force? a debate about it. You look bad and no one wants to play with you anymore.
Report Post »bigbud
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:31pmI am a Christian. But I don’t believe that Christ was born during the winter solsice. The shortest day of the year. “There came adcree”. You know the ruler of a country is not going to order there people , who’s main way of travel was to walk, to travel tens of miles in winter to register to pay taxes. I know that Jesus is Christ. Just that he was born sometime in the middle of fall. After the crops were in but fefore it gets cold. More evidence? Ok “There was in the same country” ext, “shepards in the fields, keeping watch over their flocks by night” They don’t do that in the winter.
Report Post »I don’t care what you do, as far as worship goes. But as I have studied the koran, I have also studied the Bible. And if one wants , and pays for a billboard, it will never shake my faith in Jesus the Christ.
Anyone wishing to discuss this further, write me.
komponist-ZAH
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:28pm@BIGBUD–
Report Post »Actually, as Snowleopard says above, the evidence points to Christ having been born in spring, maybe April. This is suggested a) because that is the time shepherds in that region would have been out with their sheep, and b) because it is thought that what the Magi saw was an alignment of the planets Jupiter (which astrologically represents kingship) and Saturn (which represents the servant) in the constellation Aries (the ram, representing Judah), which they would have interpreted as a Servant-King being born in Judah.
APatriotFirst
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:25pmMrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:39pm
nothing. celebrate christmas all you want.
Atheists aren’t trying to ban your beliefs or christmas. We just question them publicly and put the onus on the believers to justify and explain their beliefs. what’s wrong with that?
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Report Post »Why on earth should anyone need to justify their beliefs?
The problem, as I see it, is that most people are NOT solid enough nor comfortable with their own beliefs. I see no reason to have to defend my beliefs to anyone.
Why would anyone need to defend what they believe? You either believe it or you don’t. My beliefs are my strength, I do not need to defend them. Nor explain them. I, like I wish more would do, keep quiet about my beliefs. You have yours, I have mine. I respect your right to believe, can you respect my rights? I will not attack your beliefs, why ttack mine.
And I have no doubt, that you, and others, NOT knowing my beliefs, will attack.
Such a shame that people can not understand nor respect that we are all different. Not *tolerate* but understand and accept the difference.
TomBurpee
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:48pmMrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:39pm
nothing. celebrate christmas all you want.
Atheists aren’t trying to ban your beliefs or christmas. We just question them publicly and put the onus on the believers to justify and explain their beliefs. what’s wrong with that?
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Well, then, how would you feel if a billboard was put up at the opposite end of the Lincoln Tunnel, saying:
“You know Atheism is a LIE. This season, celebrate the TRUTH of Faith.”
Don’t lie, you’d be, at the very least, rubbed the wrong way by it.
That billboard isn’t there to prove anything. It‘s just to smear Christianity because it’s not enough that a lack of religion is accepted, and celebrated, no.. Atheists have to be dicks and FORCE THEIR BELIEFS ON EVERYONE ELSE.
Report Post »Face it, there’s NO OTHER REASON for that billboard than to slap Atheist ideals in the face of everyone traveling through the Lincoln Tunnel.. It‘s not to champion Atheist’s rights. What rights don’t you have? If anything when you guys freak out over something everyone else gets scared and bends over backwards for you..
wash1776
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:02pmMRBUTCHER! We don’t have to justify ANYTHING to you or any atheist. NO ONE MADE YOU OUR JUDGE OR JURY!
Report Post »WhiteFang
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 8:01pmApatriotfirst, You said; Why on earth should anyone need to justify their beliefs?
Is that the way Jesus felt? Or the apostles and early Christians, did they feel that way?
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:47amTo Mr Butcher-S**t, no atheist dont care about Christmas…that is why they wait until Christmas time to put up their foul signs…I’m sure that is just a coinky-dink. All atheists are snakes in the grass stemming back to the first one in the garden.
Report Post »mayihelpyou
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:02pm“American Atheists has been fighting for atheist civil liberties since 1963.” What a stupid statement.
Report Post »ADMIRAL747
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:09pmWho said they ever had to participate? Why do they never attack Ramadan or Hanukkah? Christians need to take a stand and sue!!!!!!! This is an attack. I can see no nativity scenes on public land but this if offensive.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:11pmSo what just go out and pay for your own Billboard with what ever
Report Post »you believe. As long as everyone is allowed to get their own Billboard I see no
problem.
tower7femacamp
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:14pmI do agree with MAYIHELPYOU, that is a Stupid statement
Report Post »as long as is not paid with tax payer money I say free speech.
ADMIRAL747
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:14pmHey atheists, how about a billboard on Mohammed’s stories from the cave. No ball$. NJ wake up and sue these people. I know they’re mad MSNBC is being taken over by Comcast and hopefully a new lineup in the process but this is too far.
snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:16pmWhy indeed could not a christian group simply rent the billboard space for a sign reading along the lines of:
“Faith is the belief in a ideal greater than ourselves; Atheism is the denial of all beliefs.”
http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm
silentwatcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:17pmThey want to be atheists,,,fine. I prefer to be a Christian. Why must they pound it in your face what they are? I don’t pound it in their face what I am. I believe they want to take away your right to be Christian, at the same time they insist on their right to be atheist. A really, really good example of hypocracy. But then, that seems the way our nation is going now, doesn’t it?
Report Post »ADMIRAL747
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:18pm@Tower7Femacamp
Report Post »If this sign attacked any other religious events it would be all over the news and you know it. I‘m sure you wouldn’t see a problem with that on this post though, would you? The NYTimes and the networks would be all over it and you’d nod your head in agreement. How sad…
MAULEMALL
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:20pmDam Admiral… You were posting while I was typing..
Report Post »TruthTalker
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:22pmThis billboard is hate speech. Pure and simple.
5
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:29pmChristmas is ‘The Might’
Report Post »Christians see ‘The Light’
Jesus is “Out of Sight’
GOD gives us ‘The Right’
grandmaof5
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:36pmMore Spooky Dude investment in what he hopes will be his “kingdom”. It‘s too bad the people who rent these billboards don’t have the character to say no. Maybe, like the owners of the condo complex, if they are deluged with emails and phone calls they will think twice about putting up this type of ad.
Report Post »101
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:36pmTHIS is how you explain a Scripture passage!
http://vimeo.com/16404771
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:37pm@Admiral
**Why do they never attack Ramadan or Hanukkah?**
Excellent question and one you’ll never get an “atheist” to answer directly. I’ve always strongly suspected that these types that put up billboards like this (as is their right) are anti-Christians, not anti-religion. Bring up Islam, Judaism or Hinduism and they’ll start squawking on about tolerance and all that assorted crap.
They’re free to speak as they will, of course. But let‘s not play like they’re actually against religion, we all KNOW that’s a myth. :)
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:40pmHenry Van **** (1852-1933)
Righteous Wrath
There are many kinds of hatred, as many kinds of fire;
And some are fierce and fatal with murderous desire;
And some are mean and craven, revengeful, sullen, slow,
They hurt the man that holds them more than they hurt his foe.
And yet there is a hatred that purifies the heart:
The anger of the better against the baser part,
Against the false and wicked, against the tyrant’s sword,
Against the enemies of love, and all that hate the Lord.
O cleansing indignation, O flame of righteous wrath,
Give me a soul to feel thee and follow in thy path!
Save me from selfish virtue, arm me for fearless fight,
And give me strength to carry on, a soldier of the Right!
You want to be an atheist, fine. I’m a Christian,,,stay out of my affairs.
Report Post »tobywil2
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:45pmMyth on not, I enjoy the holiday. It’s the tradition of family fellowship that makes Christmas such a unique holiday. Regardless of the religious implications, Christmas is tradition that we will not give up. So if the Christmas holiday offends you just go away until next year and let us enjoy our holiday.
Report Post »http://commonsense21c.com/
MrButcher
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:46pmi agree that was a stupid statement.
Atheists have been fighting for civil rights much longer than 47 years.
Since before the death of Socrates to the modern day. All faiths have hated non-believers and persecuted them.
As an atheist, I can tell you, I’ve never felt persecuted and I live in the south. But that has more to do with the way I look at things but I would be remiss not to say my atheism hasn‘t pissed off christians for no other reason than I don’t agree with their beliefs. I‘ve never totally understood how seemingly intelligent folks can have so much hatred and dislike for someone who doesn’t believe as they do. They don‘t hate me because I don’t believe in santa claus but as soon as I put jesus and santa claus in the same ficticious catagory all hell breaks loose.
Its pretty humorous actually.
spok1
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:47pmAdd your comments
Report Post »Nvrforget
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 12:50pm@Ghost
Most atheists attack Christianity because Christianity is the prevalent religion in their country and because a significant number of Christians try to proselytize, which atheists see as an attack. Neither Jews nor Muslims do that in a significant fashion.
Report Post »independentvoteril
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:01pmADMIRAL747.. I just heard that in Chicago they had the Bishop come out and bless the Nativity scene that is at the Daley Plaza public land.. I was shocked .. I don’t go to the downtown area anymore but it was on the local news..
Report Post »SHTFMilitia.com
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:02pmWow pretty hard core, so if that offends me can i sue ?
Are you prepared ?
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ADMIRAL747
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:06pm@NVRFORGET
Report Post »Let’s assume the atheists did attack Ramadan or Hannukkah. If it were Ramadan, Eric Holder would sue, if Hannukkah then the ADL. Why don’t they have or show major problems with Christmas in this country?
Tyr
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:14pmI know this is going to stir up the pot, but……….
How many people of ANY religion REALLY believe heart, soul and mind in their particular “myth”? And why is that every major religion in the world believes that theirs is the only path to salvation or enlightenment. Somebody has to be wrong
ADMIRAL747
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:15pm@INDEPENDENTVOTERIL
Report Post »I’m speechless. I grew up and lived in the Chi-town burbs for most of my life. Although Chicago seems liberal on every issue, it hasn’t been attacked so much by atheists. I voted with my feet as in out of Illinois once the Savior took office. I hope Illinois gets its act together at some point. Chicago is always in the heart despite the corruption infesting every corner of it. The most pure part of it nowadays are their sports teams in my opinion. I was a southsider and I don’t like the Cubs. Obama is not a Sox fan by the way. “Cominskey Park” was a famous one and he couldn’t name one Sox player while at the fricking Nationals/Sox game. He’s a true Chicago politician with a heaping spoon of communism. I’m drifting…
I see atheists’ points when their taxes go to public lands but this sign is offensive.
snowleopard3200 {mix art}
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:31pm@MrButcher
I respect your rights to choice of beliefs or non-belief, and at least one thing we have in common is I do not accept the standing story of christ having been born in the winter upon christmas day. The evidence clearly declares his birth to have been in spring to early summer. The time when shepherds and their flocks would be out in the lower hill pasture.
Report Post »jblazak
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:33pmWhat I find odd, is Mr. Silverman’s delusional belief that he is god and that “he” will somehow set all the hypocritical captive Christian’s free and save them from, well, from themselves! Makes perfect twisted sense to me! Does any of this sound familiar?
Report Post »Oil_Robb
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:47pmGreat statement ADMIRAL….thats what I was thinking
Report Post »tradexpertbuysell
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:48pmHey calling all athiests who can’t mind their own business and enjoy offending Christians at the drop of a hat.
Put your flippin money where your mouth is and send a letter to all muslem organizations calling their religion a myth. Don’t forget to clearly print your full name, return address and provide recent photos of yourself with an accurate physical description and when you are most apt to be at that address.
Don’t be afraid to do that. I’m sure they will be just as tolerant as us Christians are about your BS. But if you actually do it it’s been nice knowing you! (Not!!!!!)
Report Post »Oil_Robb
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 1:51pmSo Towner…does that mean that we can put up a billboard that says
GAYS SPREAD AIDS”……..or…ABORTIONISTS CUT OFF BABYS HEADS”?….or…“BLACKS PER CAPITA DO MOST OF THE CRIMES”?
Sparky101
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:09pmSuch extremely mean people. They hate God so much that they just have to demean something of such great meaning in such a low ball way. Myth indeed. These people are legends in their own minds, elitists, full of themselves, nasty and surely in need of a Savior. By their actions, they prove the existence of God. Otherwise why would they be so intent on offending others?
Report Post »BaritoneBro
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 2:11pmThey are right about one thing, the picture they show is inaccurate in that the three wisemen didn’t visit the manger. According to scripture Jesus was in a house and a young child when the finally found him. Also, Herod killed male babies from two years old and younger (Matt. 2).
Report Post »Godseyesareonthem
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:09pmGod will be the first one they see when they die! God does not like to be mocked! I hope they have on their abestos underwear when they meet him!! Even an athiest can have forgiveness if they repent. You can wait just one day too late. Seperation of church and state, aren’t they already seprate from the church? If they want too stay away they do have the freedom of choice. I don’t harp on someone that I know does not believe in God. Freedom of choice. If you don’t want anything too do with God he definetly will not force himself on you. “Choose whom you will serve today, life or death (good or evil).” God gave us the choice. I choose to praise and worship God and his son, Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:29pmThe only myth on this billboard is from the people who put it up.
Report Post »ltb
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 3:55pmI feel sorry for these people. One millisecond after they die, boy are they going to be in for a horrific surprise..
Report Post »liberalvoice
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:12pmScience flies us to the moon
Religion flies us into buildings
gibberish
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:29pmI’m a christian and I also know that christmas is a myth. A simple google search reveals that not only is it not christ’s birthday, it has roots in ancient pagan ceremonies revolving around the winter solstice. Now do you think Jesus approves of a pagan celebration simply because some early “christians” slapped his name on it to convert pagans?
Report Post »rngrtrk@yahoo.com
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:36pmYou so called christians have had it your way for so long you don’t know when your wrong anymore.
Report Post »Everywhere you turn around there something christian a bill board a church ,holyer than tho tv channels,something about a dim witted pope wanting to run your lives and not many that really follow him.
Someone goes against you anf its just like a jihad against atheists.
rngrtrk@yahoo.com
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 4:40pmAtheists need a church on every corner.How many christians would let that happen?
Report Post »Zoe
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 5:24pmAttack of my faith is lack of conviction in yours.
Just can‘t stay focused on what you don’t believe.
You want to pick a fight with God?
They watch to much Sci Fi I guess.
Report Post »PubliusPencilman
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 5:39pmPoor American Christians… always the victims…. Wah wah wah. Gee, why can’t people pick on Jews and Muslims, who collectively make up 2.5% of the population. Why can’t atheists just make themselves invisible, like Christians always have…. You know, like at the Restoring Honor rally. Like in all the political and personal statements made by our politicians and candidates like Christine O’Donnell. Why can’t atheists understand that Christians NEVER advertise their churches and congregations…. They certainly would never go door to door and hand out literature….
Man, they’re practically throwing Christians to the lions by advertising on a billboard! Such an oppressed majority, these American Christians.Yes, where is the anti-Hannukah ad that suggests that the oil consecrating the temple lasted less than eight days….
Man, you Blaze readers really know how to play the victim! You could give lessons to those nasty liberals. They’d probably be subsidized by the government!
Report Post »truthservices
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 6:17pmAs a jewish believer I must admit the whole santa clause,christmas tree stuff has nothing to do with the birth of messiah. Why not just stick with the commanded holidays? Why does christianity mix the holy with the unholy, Pagan roots should have nothing to do with the birth of our redeemer.Keep the paganism out celebrate messiah..
Report Post »ron the veteran
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 6:43pmhey atheists the koran is the same storys as the bible. so i guess you only got balls enough to mess with peaceful christians but the nut job muslums are ok huh? from what i understand about america almost 92% of us belive in God. its time to put the atheists out on their asses. go live in russia or cuba if you think thats any better. america and most americans are sick of your crap. its time we pushed back 10 times as hard.
Report Post »AmericanSoldier
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 7:13pm@ADMIRAL747 Sue them for what exactly? Saying the birth of Jesus Christ story is a myth? Most stories from back in those days really are just myths. It’s up to the individual with the faith to either believe in them as factual or not. You have that faith, I do not. Do I believe the Christmas story a myth? Yes. I still celebrate Christmas out of habit and out of pure enjoyment of the season. I’m an open Agnostic but I still enjoy Christmas and have no problems with Nativity scenes or anything like that.
Most Atheists that I know, including myself, came from Christian backgrounds. That may be a big reason they don’t tend to attack Hannach as much.
@silentwatcher I get pounded all the time with billboards for Christianity. I don’t mind. Someone willing to pay for the billboard promoting God and Jesus, have at it. It’s your money to spend. Just don‘t pretend there isn’t billboards promoting Christianity out there.
@grandmaof5 Most of us here are pro-free market I assume. Let’s put it to work, shall we! Find out how much the billboard costs and for how long it was paid for. Offer the owner of the space more than what the Atheists offers, enough to give back the money the Atheists paid for the remainder of their time allotted as well as the costs to have the billboard up for an extended period of time.
Until you’re willing to put your money where your mouth is, let FREEDOM RING!
@MrButcher I believe the statement was specifically to the organization “American Atheists” that have been fighting for 47 years. Not just Atheists in general.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 7:20pmThese people have a problem with religion or just Christians? Just to tick them off …. I will pray for them! Let’s all pray for the atheists!
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 7:29pmCelebrate REASON … the proof against Naturalism!
Hawking Not Needed to Explain His New Book, Says Universe
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thepatriotdave
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 7:33pmtower7femacamp,
Can you explain why non-believers go out of their way to poke us believers in the eye? It never made sense to me cause we don’t go around looking to piss them off, but they find it amusing for some reason.
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Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 7:48pmMany of the comments here are from confused people. I have never heard a religion claim that Jesus was born on the 25th of december. The modern-day celebration on the 25th has been for many years is just the day that we celebrate the birth of Jesus, which is as good a day as any to celebrate it. To my knowledge nobody has proven yet exactly what day he was born on. If we changed it to July 25th I would still be ok with it, as long as we Christians have our day of celebration of the birth of our saviour.
For those of you that don’t want to take part of the celebration, that’s fine with me. Just don’t try to keep us from enjoying it, and we won’t keep you from enjoying whatever it is that you celebrate. I only hope that whatever you do celebrate is both legal and moral.
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Report Post »IloveJesus1611
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 8:24pm39) But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right check, turn to him the other also. 40) And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
Report Post »T.JeffersonWasTheBest
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 8:31pmI am ok with it because all it does is makes them look stupid. Christmas is a celebration of Jesus’s birthday and no it might not be His exact birthday but whether you think He is God or not, He did exist, just like Buddha or Confucius or Muhammad. So to say Christmas is a myth is just ignorant and is not reason at all. I think it’s kind of Ironic and funny.
Report Post »James
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 8:36pm@tower7femacamp
I could not agree with you more owever, these people get very upset at signs that have anything to do with Christmas. As this group’s spokesman said The sign is designed to encourage existing atheists who are going through the motions of celebrating Christmas to stop.”
I can’t even believe the idiocy here.
http://crazyconservative.wordpress.com/
Report Post »TRUSTNO MAN
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 8:56pmI remember Nativity scenes on the front lawn at the Town Hall……I can’t believe I survived!! WOW!
Report Post »Fact is no matter what you “believe”, atheism is STILL a belief. God Bless Ya, anyway! THERE, TAKE THAT!!
walkwithme1966
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 9:20pmHey, they have civil liberties – more than most Christians – they got prayers taken out of the schools and every other public place. Fight for civil liberties? – what a joke! http://maboulette.wordpress.com
Report Post »MrObvious
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 9:22pmWhy atheists feel the need to fight for liberties they already have, I don’t know.
Report Post »If I had to guess, it would be only the progressive atheists that are doing it.
Progressives see rights and handouts to be the same thing.
They probably think that being religious grants special handouts, IE rights – Like having god mentioned on money, or in the pledge. I doubt conservative atheists would have a problem with any of that.
To a conservative, a right is something you already have, not something the government gives you.
Being religious doesn’t automatically make a person conservative any more than not being religious automatically makes someone a liberal.
Obama claims to be religious – his faith is liberation theology based; but, it’s still a religion.
The Green nuts have Goya.
The Communists and Socialists have Government and Utopia.
Religions abound.
I wonder how many in the “American Atheists” actually have a religion and don’t realize it.
Sparky101
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 9:37pmPubliusPencilman, since you know so much about it, then you are fully aware the Restoring Honor gathering was not held on the religious holiday of any religion and was not held with the intent of denegrating the religions beliefs of any one, not even those of atheists. At no time during the gathering was anything said against any religion, nor were the beliefs of anyone called “myths.” And since you are so well informed, perhaps you could tell us which religion comes to your door to hand out literature, because you make it sound like that’s all Christians do (and none that I know ever go door to door handing out literature). But then perhaps you don’t know as much as you let on.
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 9:51pmLTB, may I add… that will never end.
Report Post »msgtmatt
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 10:19pmWhy is this not considered Hate speech? You post a sign saying what you think about islam and every left group and their cousins jump on it, saying what an awful thing to do….The only thing this will do to Christians is that we’ll say a prayer for you.
Report Post »fsantos
Posted on November 28, 2010 at 11:15pmI don’t believe these guys have watched this documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwHP5vPKXTg
Report Post »TruthLover
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 1:44amGibberish – you nailed it! I am a Christian who refuses to spout the popular “Jesus is the reason for the season” line. It’s not true. I love Christmas, but celebrating the birthday of a deity is a pagan Egyptian custom, and was not set up as an observance by God in Scripture. Jesus instructed us to observe communion, and baptism. That’s it. I celebrate Christmas as a time to refocus our family priorities while splurging on our kids by feeding two of their five love languages. I enjoy the traditions at home and at church, but I have no delusions about the holiday’s pagan ancestry and why the church usurped it in the first place. Same with Easter.
What would really make the atheists go nuts is if the church would reclaim the holidays that they initiated. If suddenly we returned to the roots of Halloween/All Saints Day and April Fool’s Day people would flip out!
Report Post »Robert W
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 4:38amThey must be a blast to be around. God must have a good laugh over these people. Daddy didnt spend time with them so now their mad at The Father in heaven. I feel bad for their kids…thats right them people usually dont pro-create, which might be a good thing.
Report Post »rebel
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 6:01amnothing like spending money on something you don’t believe in. I love when they march too. Marching for something we don’t believe in. at least the economy is stimulated. And who ever pays attention to Billboards except the controversy they stir?
Report Post »102
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 7:56amDo ya think they are talking about the fact that the wise men did not come to visit Jesus at his birth, but rather after he was two years old? (Matt. 2:16) Or maybe three wise men are not mentioned ( Matt. 2:1) You have to have more faith to be an atheist than to be a follower of Jesus!!! Just sayin
Report Post »wildjoker5
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 8:05am“…but atheism (the absence of a belief in a deity) is broad, and encompasses all those terms.”
” …We want laws to be applied evenly (which mandates a total separation of church and state), and the elimination of the societal and political stigmas of being, loving, or representing an atheist.”
These two explain it all. If there is a total “seperation of church and state”, (found no where in the constitution, but made up by an Atheist) then they don’t want it “even”, they want it slanted for Atheists. If there is a seperation, then there is the Atheist belief in no deity.
Report Post »ATexasFan
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 8:26amIf they don’t believe … why are they so afraid of Christians and our God? hmmm just askin’
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 8:54am@Nvrforget
Yeah, that’s the cop out answer I usually get.
But that doesn’t answer the question. When put to task to take on Hinduism, Judaism or Islam on anti-religion grounds, they won’t. To a person, they won’t.
Report Post »HatemongerNTBSF1129
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 9:17am@ Nvrforget
Yeah… unless you live in a Muslim country under Sharia Law…. then they just cut your head off, hows that for proselytizing.
Just look up “Islamic Beheadings” and peruse the results. Thats what your response would likely result in.
I’m curious about something, why is there always this sentiment of persecution? What exactly has been done by a christian to an atheist that is as grandiose as the three little girls getting their heads cut off when they walk home from a christian school (peruse and you’ll find it).
Think about it, give me one example. I have yet to find one.
Report Post »whybother
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:10amWell, Butcher, perhaps because you are a dolt. Santa Claus IS a myth, however Christ LIVED!!!
Whether you believe in his teachings or not and whether you believe he performed miracles or not can be debated….but the FACT that he lived and so touched the world with his teachings that over 2000 years later we are still talking about him and his words are a testament to the validity of the man.
And, taken a step further, if you actually listen to him….love, tolerance patience, and every other word from his mouth….follow those acts and you WILL be happy. There is no debating his teaching of a happy, valuable life are the way or the Way to happiness…your choice.
Report Post »POd Okie Patriot
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:47amThe reason they always pick on Christians and Jesus instead of everything else is because with Jesus and Christianity they know they have something to fear….the truth and judgement. If we are all honest here, Christianity is the one religion with as much proof through history as to the validity of the divine as anything else and Christianity is the one religion that admonishes people to give up their ways and to stop sinning and to believe and become new. People the world over do not want to do this. They want to live as they choose with no consequences. So why attack Christianity and no other religion….to prove to themselves there is nothing to fear of judgement and that they are not really accountable for their actions. It is a matter of the truth.
Report Post »RCScrolls
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 12:21pmSorry Athiests but it takes more faith to be an athiest than it does to be a Christian.
Report Post »We have evidence of divinity you have no explanation to how you got here, even though so much time has went by. Is it Evolutiom, Scientists say no. Try this out, Scientists agree that Christ was a real Being here approx 2 thousand yrs ago. He sai that the Jewish Temple in Israel would be destroyed before all of His contemporaries were dead. And sure enough it fell in 70 AD, just as He said it would. King Christ Jesus my Temple..
RCScrolls
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 12:32pmThats pretty bad when you call Christmas a myth. I know that its been celebrated for atleast 1900 yrs.
Report Post »You can literally see Christ-mass atleast once a year, but they claim it dosent exist. Really now!!!
Get a grip on reality reason with Evidence, Christ Mass is on the same day each year December 25th. And you can even see pagans celebrate our Christ by putting up their trees of Christmass. Oh yeah Christmass trees exist, christmass presents are real, and athiests need a life to live for, ry Christ Hes the Reason for the season. Now everybody does Christmass exist. An overwhelming YEAH. Leave an athiest at Home for Christ-mass
FUBARSNAFU
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 12:46pm@Butcher:
“Atheists aren’t trying to ban your beliefs or christmas. We just question them publicly and put the onus on the believers to justify and explain their beliefs. what’s wrong with that?”
While I agree that all of this is crap. Arguing over a ridiculous billboard that they have every right to put up, just as Christians, and any other religion can, and do. I am a religious person and I think everyone on this site has been justifying and explaining their beliefs. However, Religion merely requires faith. Science requires proof.
A good intellectual discussion is always healthy but when it‘s just an attack on someone else’s beliefs, it’s no longer a discussion. It’s spiteful.
Report Post »Ripplemagne
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 1:20pmThe sad part is that they’re trying to cluster agnostics and nontheists into their ilk. Atheism is not an absence of belief in God; it’s a disbelief. Agnostics maintain the notion that their MIGHT be a God, but there might NOT be. Nontheists simply don’t have any beliefs, so to lump them all into one category, they’re celebrating “reason”?
I’ve had this debate with many atheists (many of which can be freely read on the internet) and not one of them can refute the fact that atheism is a Religion. It is faith, it is a Religion. The only people who have a claim to the “we don’t have a Religion” pish posh are agnostics and nontheists.
That being said, they have the right to have their billboard. So long as Christians have the right to have their own and aren’t banned from saying “Merry Christmas” and all that jazz.
@MRBUTCHER
That’s human nature, I’m afraid. Stupidity is found in all walks of life. I‘m not going to pretend that there aren’t Christian zealots, but they’re realistically, no different than atheist zealots. As someone who have views that conflict with traditional Christians and views that conflict with atheism, I’ve had to deal with both sides of the aisle, so I feel where you’re coming from.
@PubliusPencilman
False comparison. This billboard attacks someone elses views; the Restoring Honor Rally uplifted their own. This thrives on negativity, whereas the comparisons you’ve made thrive on positivity.
Report Post »roguetea
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 1:25pmrogue, Atheism, Empty Aptitude
Atheism is a myth, a stupid myth, seized by the intellectual immoral to justify selfish, hell bent, rationalizations.
I applaud their bold billboard declaration and heavy handed commercialism moving them much more squarely into the field of organized RELIGION. I welcome the discussions across the land and around the world. You do have a side, seize it. Agnostic, there is no fence sitting.
Prove atheism. Given all knowledge, period, all knowledge of all times, places and persons, how much do any one of us posses, or even a whole horde of us lumped together? Suppose all that knowledge lodges on your desk top, laptop, or hand held. How many bits or bytes do you claim as yours? How many bits or bytes do all atheists of all times hold? Yet based on such narrow minded, super-insignificant knowledge, they have the utter stupidity to boldly declare there FAITH in no GOD.
HE will defend himself, in HIS time and for HIS times. Yet these are our times and places. We must also defend, our God given freedom in our times and places. HE will hold us accountable. Do not be found wanting, overfilled with empty faith, ignorant deceit or haughtiness of heart.
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ExpertShot
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 2:34pmTrue, it’s a pretty dumb statement, but the way I see it, if they want their “aethiest civil liberties”, then they shouldn’t have to be “forced” to take the Christmas holiday off work. Kind of like that old saying about an aethiest in a fox-hole….I bet it’d be the same thing if you told them they had to work on a Christian Holiday (which shouldn‘t exist for them because they don’t believe in God anyway). Betcha they’d bitch about it though….lol.
Report Post »@leftfighter
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 10:53pm@liberalvoice
“Science flies us to the moon
Religion flies us into buildings”
Really? What was the last building flown into by a Christian? Did I miss something? Or did you just get your religions mixed up?
Report Post »GeoMaxIII
Posted on November 29, 2010 at 11:26pmThe way I see it is that if I say Merry Christmas to someone I have found favor with that person no matter what he believes. He should probably say Merry Christmas back but I leave that up to him. It is what I’d do if someone came up to me and said Happy Hannakah! I would return a “Happy Hannakah!” even though I am not Jewish. I respect people for who they are. Other people can choose to do what they like as long as it doesn’t break any laws and if they wish to do so any way then they should bring that up with our state and national leaders to try to get the law out of the books. We must be respectful and show respect. And we must make our arguements about things because “without debate no republic can survive”.
Report Post »traveler08
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 2:09amYeah, borderline, closeted Atheists!! These people are imbeciles. I suppose next we’ll all be atheistophobic. Luckily God still believes in the, lol…
Report Post »proudinfidel54
Posted on November 30, 2010 at 9:40amNVRFORGET, you are right, the Muslums don’t proselytize, they just hack your head off if you don’t see things their way.
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