China to Asia: Hey, Don’t Worry About Our Really Big Military
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SINGAPORE (AP) — The strength of China’s armed forces is 20 years behind the U.S. and although the military is developing new capabilities, it is not a threat to peace in Asia, the Chinese defense minister said Sunday.
China‘s military won’t be used aggressively against its neighbors, General Liang Guanglie said at an Asian security conference in Singapore.
“I know many people tend to believe that with the growth of China’s economy, China will become a military threat,” Liang said. “China will never seek hegemony or military expansion.”
“This is a solemn pledge made by the Chinese government to the international community,” he said.
Liang met Friday with U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates in Singapore amid increasing high-level contacts between the militaries of the two countries. Gates told Liang that he believes the military-to-military relationship is “on a positive trajectory” after a series of setbacks in recent years.
Liang is the highest-ranking Chinese military official to attend the IISS Shangri-La Dialogue, now in its 10th year. General Chen Bingde, China’s chief of general staff, met with top U.S. military officials last month in Washington.
“China and the U.S. have made great progress in bilateral relations,” Liang said. “All of us are very optimistic about the future of bilateral and military-to-military relations.”
Liang sought to downplay recent increased Chinese military spending, insisting the nation’s capabilities remain far behind those of developed countries.
“Our defense force is more modern and developed. However, there still exists a big gap,” he said. “There’s a generational gap.”
China is working privately with North Korean officials to try to revive stalled six-nation nuclear disarmament talks that involve the two Koreas, Japan, China, Russia and the U.S., Liang said.
“The work we have done with North Korea is much more than what the outside world may expect,” he said. “We are trying to persuade them not to take risks.”
Tensions between the two Koreas have jumped since two deadly attacks blamed on North Korea last year. The North has denied involvement in the sinking of a warship in March 2010 that killed 46 South Korean sailors and argued that a November artillery barrage that killed four people was provoked by South Korean firing drills.
South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said Saturday that any future attacks by North Korea would be met by a very strong response, and that Pyongyang is becoming increasingly bold in its provocations.
“The situation is moving toward relaxation, but the foundation remains fragile,” Liang said. “We need to cool things down.”
Last week, Google alleged that computer hackers in China had compromised the personal Gmail accounts of several hundred people, including U.S. government officials, military personnel and political activists.
Liang said China is paying close attention to the cyber attack problem.
“In China, we also suffer quite a wide range of frequent cyber attacks and it is hard to attribute the real source of the attacks,” he said. “It’s important for everyone to follow laws in terms of cyber security, and they should also apply to corporations.”
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Comments (175)
Amy
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:53amIn Michael Savage‘s book ’Liberalism is a Mental Disorder‘ he recommends buying a copy of liberal loving Sun Tsu’s book ‘The Art of War.’
e.g., ‘Laying Plans 20’ Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.’
Now Listen Up.
Report Post »Liberalismsamentaldisorder
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:50amIt could be said this is the reason we allow illegal immigration. We’re going to need the young male hispanic population to fight off either the Chinese or Islam. 300 million is a lot, but pales against either of those enemies that number in the billions.
Report Post »expertmagician
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:43amWe have 2 problems here:
1) Never trust anyone or any country that says “Trust me”.
2) We are buying the Chinese debt back which dramatically lowers their risk, if and when they do attack. If they held our debt, then their attack would hurt their “investment”, but, now we are allowing the Chinese to lower their financial exposure if they attack us.
BAD NEWS…..
Does someone know how to put a positive spin on this bad news ?
Report Post »bjc535
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:42amHey I started a petition to ask the House to begin impeachment process of Obama. Can we get more signatures faster than than Charlie Sheen can get twitter followers?? Will the house go through with it?? I don’t know but if there are enough signatures it will be symbolic at the least.
http://www.petitiononline.com/aop535/petition.html
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:26amNeed a way to email this petition to our friends from the site. Only a suggestion.
Report Post »tierrah
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 12:29pm@Vickie: With your browser under the “File” menu at top is an option to “Send Link”. Easy as pie for sending to friends! Hope this helps.
Report Post »Oldtexan in support of Israel
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:29amWe forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy is men who are afraid of the light.” – Plato
Report Post »Do not be afraid of China America will do what needs to be done that includes a change in leadership
Redistributor
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:15amHah!…China…no worries our government is watching them closely.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:35amObama loves China..Remember what he said about China during the Olympics???
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:02amNorth Korea is a pawn of China and does the bidding of the Chinese government. They do not do anything without, at the very least, consulting the Chinese pinkos. The same may soon be said of our government if we don’t repay them and get them out of our finances and our country.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:55amJust say “NO to increasing the Debt ceiling” Instead let’s pay China back what we owe and build our military defenses astronomically with American inginuity and labor. Then China can kiss our lilly white A**.
Report Post »nomercy63
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:55amHistory has taught us the those with large militaries usually want to use them!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:53amThere is only one reason to have such a large army and their not peace keepers.
Report Post »dizzyinthedark
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:50amNever underestimate China. Continue to buy American made as that is the only product you can trust. China’s history of products sold to us and dealings with us have been dubious. No second chances! They are finished in my book–they have and show no respect.
You know what’s so funny, in their culture respect is everything. Guess that only goes for ‘their’ people.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:49amRevelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Turkey has a dam where they can dry up the Euphrates river making a way for China to march across.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:11amResearch the Ataturk dam…..
Report Post »Vickie Dhaene
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:34amNostradomous also foresaw the Flag of Mongels being brought back to power.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:54amNostradamus was of the tribe of Issachar…1 Chron 12:32
Report Post »And of the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do; the heads of them were two hundred; and all their brethren were at their commandment.
vennoye
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:53amWell, where else are you going to get a 200 million man army except from China? Seems like they are right on track.
Revelation 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Report Post »RLTW
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 1:02pmThe 20 year gap is meaningless when it can be filled with wave after wave of human fodder.
Report Post »John 3:16
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:46amOh! well then as long as China said there’s nothing to worry about militarily, Maybe we can stop spending on military innovations here in the USA and pay our public union members more. Maybe we can use or Obama stash and cash for bailing out Californicate, educate more illegals or let’s expand our welfare programs. General Liang is at least as reputable as our currant Traitor and chief Dumbo and his fat *** wife.
Report Post »loadingmyclips
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:46amAhhhhhh but dem ALL wearing FLOWERS !! Dem SOO cute!
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:41amThe strength of China’s armed forces is 20 years behind the U.S. and although the military is developing new capabilities, it is not a threat to peace in Asia, the Chinese defense minister said Sunday.
China‘s military won’t be used aggressively against its neighbors, General Liang Guanglie said at an Asian security conference in Singapore.
“I know many people tend to believe that with the growth of China’s economy, China will become a military threat,” Liang said. “China will never seek hegemony or military expansion.”
“This is a solemn pledge made by the Chinese government to the international community,” he said.
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Uh-huh. Sure. I believe that about as much as I believe in Unicorns.
Upstate SC
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:24amChina is a communist country who dictates to its own people what their rights will be…you can bet your a** they are not our friends. They want to also rule the world after our (the U.S.) demise. And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates, and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. Rev: 16:12
Report Post »Bushie
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:41amsorry for the type-o…………We are in trouble
Report Post »psst
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 2:26pmDon’t sweat typos.
Report Post »I make em all the time.I am not a professional typist.Actually, I’m terrible.After I post and check to see if it was posted, many times I see my mistakes. I don’t let it bother me enough to repost a correction.What da hey. None here can fire me.
My mind goes faster than my fingers.I finish what I want to say and hit the post button.
I trust most intelligent people here knows what I am trying to say if I mis-spell a word or two.
And I have never personally met an absolutely perfect person who does not make a mistake now and then.
I am more interested in peoples ideas and opinions than I am in their typing skills.
Bill me later
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Report Post »Bushie
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:40amAnd we have obama. I must say, were in trouble.
Report Post »Shrinking Citizen
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:58amDon’t forget that after Neville Chamberlain came Winston Churchill
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:18amYeppers!
Problem is campaign finance. So long as non-citizen people are allowed to donate, we will continue to get corrupt politicians. Campaigns need to be financed SOLEY by citizens, NOT by parties, NOT by NGO’s, NOT by PACs, NOT by corporations. By INDIVIDUALS. And, let’s set a limit of, say $100.00 per citizen per election. Spend it wisely! This gives the average person JUST AS MUCH SAY in an election as the billionaires. It takes out the quid pro quo incentive.
Once we have HONEST politicians, we may get our country back.
Until then, we will be fighting non-stop, and the country will remain polarized on almost every single issue.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:21am@Bushie:
Most people old enough to remember Carter thought it could never get worse than with him in the White House…guess history proved them wrong indeed.
Report Post »liberalsarealiens
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:39amSaid the spider to the fly!
Report Post »hempstead1944
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:38amWhat fool would believe this propaganda? Yep…..you got it, our U.S. State Department !
Report Post »Amy
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:37amDon’t trust the leadership of China.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:20amJust like here, do not trust the current administration period. I honestly would not put it past him just to declare an unconditional surrender to China if they make war on us or our allies.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:37amChina has dropped 97 percent of its holdings in U.S. Treasury bills, decreasing its ownership of the short-term U.S. government securities from a peak of $210.4 billion in May 2009 to $5.69 billion in March 2011, the most recent month reported by the U.S. Treasury.
Treasury bills are securities that mature in one year or less that are sold by the U.S. Treasury Department to fund the nation’s debt.
Mainland Chinese holdings of U.S. Treasury bills are reported in column 9 of the Treasury report linked here.
Until October, the Chinese were generally making up for their decreasing holdings in Treasury bills by increasing their holdings of longer-term U.S. Treasury securities. Thus, until October, China’s overall holdings of U.S. debt continued to increase.
Report Post »http://www.infowars.com/china-has-divested-97-percent-of-its-holdings-in-u-s-treasury-bills/
LibertariansUnite
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:36amChina likes trade, China doesn’t like war.
Get real fear mongers.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:39amyes and why would China go to war with a
Report Post »Country they already own ?
They never invaded North Korea
http://www.infowars.com/china-has-divested-97-percent-of-its-holdings-in-u-s-treasury-bills/
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:14am@libertarian:
China will go to war when her vested interests in a nation or area of the world demand her to do so; she is more than capable of it, and IS a power state to be very wary of…it is better to be watchful and prepared for action against a adversary, then to let the adversary gain an advantage over you by the fact of lowering ones own guard down too much.
And in case you still figure nothing like that can happen; remember that we said the same thing of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor “Pearl cannot be attacked.”
Also the Germans were never assumed to be able to come through the wooded Ardens; even though they had already done do during the invasion of france in 1940.
Report Post »LibertariansUnite
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 12:13pm@SNOWLEOPARD
That is a silly argument based on a couple issues:
1) The reason Japan attacked us in the beginning was because we ceased trading oil with them.
2) China relies economically on us, and many other European countries for their trade, and their profit.They are currently rebuilding their country economically. Which sadly has been posted here on the blaze. The Chinese as of now, and in the near future have no interest in war. If they went to war with us, or any European nation their goes their paycheck.
This article is simple fear mongering. For reasons I have no idea.
The thing with Nazi Germany, is they began their massive military build up (not economic, military consumption) at 1933. They also began annexing their neighbors prior to invading Poland. China has done nothing of that sort. If China was to start annexing neighbor countries rapidly, this would be a different discussion.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 12:22pm@Libertarian:
You have missed the key point; Pearl was believed to be inviolate to aerial attack, as the woods of the Ardens was supposedly imperviosu to mobility of armored tanks and vehicles – yet someone forgot to tell the ones who made it happen.
China’s officials and military have always maintained the usage of first strike offensive to be on the table for matters of defense and matters of politics as well.
Report Post »LibertariansUnite
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 12:34pm@SNOWLEOPARD
I am not arguing that it is IMPOSSIBLE for china, to make military exercise in their interests, be it neighbors, or the United States.
I am arguing the likelihood. I am assuming your point is that “Pearl Harbor” was quoted as never being able to happen and then it happened.
So, I will agree with you on the point that, sometimes things that seem unlikely can happen. However, when dealing with foreign countries, you cannot deal with them because you guess they may attack either their neighbors, or attack us.
Looking at China Objectively, and what it is currently doing, I find it terribly unlikely that they will make any aggressive moves that might create trade sanctions. They live off our trade, so their incentive is non-existent.
Furthermore, IF they were to make aggressive moves, we will be fine. Why do I say this? We have a military that can react to aggression effectively.
Would I like the world to be all democratic? Peace loving? Yes I would. Reality dictates that we as a people in one nation cannot dictate how others live, just by sheer force. So…
If China does something fishy, deal with it. China has not, and has no incentive, to do so. So why stir the American people against them?
Report Post »psst
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 2:06pmOk. If you say so.But the story was about what China is saying to Asia.
They don’t want war w/ US. We are their sugar daddy.
The Asians better not believe all that crapola.
For decades, China has sparred with Southeast Asian nations over control of 200 tiny islands, rocks, and spits of sand that dot these waters. In 1974 China seized the Paracel islands from Vietnam,
The Spratly Islands, disputed between the People’s Republic of China, the Republic of China, and Vietnam, with Malaysia, Brunei, and the Philippines claiming part of the archipelago[1
Does China own Philippines if they claim all the islands located in the South China see as theirs?
Report Post »the chinese are smart, they would not want to run the Philippine government, it is better for them just to run it down, let it fail and become weak, then seize parts of the philippines that are valuable and easy to get without much fighting, like the oil deposits under the spratly islands, or maybe the resource rich, but underpopulated Palawan and Mindanoa islands, which conveniently already have a terrorist ‘rebellions’ underway, which china can use as the excuse to intervene for ‘peace’.
Classical Liberal
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 2:26pmChina sees the possibility of war in the near future as a reality as shown by their recent military buildup. As chinas economy begins to slow, the countdown to a pacific war becomes very real.
In 1936, hitler sees his socialist utopian dream collapse around him under the weight of tremendous debt. Faced with abandoning socialism for capitalism, hitler decides to hold onto the dream and initiates the “4 year plan” for a military buildup with the intention of European conquest.
During that time he assured the world to think little of it’s military spending. Germany of course never made it to 1940 because of reaching it’s debt limit in 1939 but the. Rest we are all to familiar with.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:36amThe Four Horsemen of Banking (Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Wells Fargo) own the Four Horsemen of Oil (Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch/Shell, BP Amoco and Chevron Texaco); in tandem with Deutsche Bank, BNP, Barclays and other European old money behemoths. But their monopoly over the global economy does not end at the edge of the oil patch.
According to company 10K filings to the SEC, the Four Horsemen of Banking are among the top ten stock holders of virtually every Fortune 500 corporation.[1]
So who then are the stockholders in these money center banks?
http://www.infowars.com/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families/
Report Post »saranda
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 2:22pmMe for one. Bought bank shares in October and Nov. 2008 when you all were selling them in panic.
Report Post »Killgreed
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:36amFirst woot
Report Post »Shrinking Citizen
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:56amTo be first without anything to say is silly to begin with, but to think you’re first and only being second is sillier still.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:05am@Citizen:
To declare success without achievement is the same as a leader being acclaimed a peacekeeper of the world on the day he takes office.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:05amNo you just peed on the second tree big dog…
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:24amA nice pointed statement, Snow. You really don’t have too much time for him, do you.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:49am@NZKiwi:
Nope.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 5:27pmFool
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:33amthe federal reserve has let China sell off the US Treasuries by
Report Post »buying them up and placing the debt on the American Taxpayer
nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:52amAs soon as a lot of heavily armed people tell you “Not to worry, we’re not going to attack you! We just like marching around carrying all this heavy ammo!” Reach for your weapons – it is going to get nasty.
A few years ago a senior Chinese general stated that they would be ready for war with the US in about ten years (I’ll see if I can find the link).
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 8:55amWhile I’m doing that, why don’t you guys download this.
http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/Art%20of%20War%20PDF.pdf
It‘s a free copy of Sun Tzu’s The Art of War. It explains the importance of deception very nicely.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:00am@NZKiwi:
I have been reading a number of reports about China and her ambitions from the various military assets that have been released to the public; to put it simply, they are ambitious and to be watched with open eyes and a prepared arm for usage at all times. These folks of China‘s military speak of the usage of any and all ’special weapons and warfare’ – from limited cyberwar to the largest of strategic stuff – as a ‘first usage for defensive purposes’ at the initiation of hostilities.
Now they lately have been screaching about the US making cyberwar attacks against them.
I figure a fair chance they will make a play soon, and with the US so crippled right now; especially with Obama being POTUS – they will most likely strike out at Taiwan.
Report Post »KICKILLEGALSOUT
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:01amAny American that believes a word that comes out of the mouth of the majority of Communist Chinese is an ignoramus. The Art of War emphasizes using deceptive tactics against your enemy and make him feel he is stronger than he really is. China has 3 Trillion in Foreign Reserves, America is 14+ Trillion in Debt over a Trillion of that owed to the Chinese. 90% of our stores products are Made in China. China has a monopoly on rare earth metals that are used in our batteries and weapons. A high ranking PLA officer not to long ago released a book urging to build the biggest Army possible to knock down the US.
Report Post »http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/01/us-china-usa-military-exclusive-idUSTRE6200P620100301
They have also said the USA is the biggest threat to them.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-04/26/content_9772470.htm
Read more about Chinese spying in the US
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Chinese+spying+in+the+United+States%3B+Chinese+spies+are+making+mockery…-a0227073526
Our schools are now even selling out our own students and letting record numbers of Chinese foreign nationals enter our colleges and displacing our own students over 130k last year with 20-30% increases year on year!
Also, that must be mentioned is the farmland, businesses and other Chinese money that is starting to flood the US. Chinese is going to start buying up the US as we go poor so that one day they won’t even need to fire a shot, they will own us, make the laws, and start populating Ameri
Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:02am@NZKiwi:
I have a copy of the Art of War and study it quite often; the fact most of us in the west fail to get about them – China’s govt – is they take the view of the game Goh (I think that is the spelling) and a long range view; we of the west think more in terms of poker and card games…winner takes all in one shot.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:04amSun Tzu’s first rule of initiating and avoiding warfare is the attacking of a nations Strategy; then attack her alliances…so far, China is undermining our national strategy (not Obamas of destroying the US), economically and politically…with alliances…inroads into traditional allies of S Korea, Australia and Japan…and lately India and Brazil.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:12amAll that Chinese crap you own…now you wish you hadn’t bought it?
Report Post »watchmany2k
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:21amLet’s see, a generation of aborting females has left china with an over-abundance of men who have little hope of finding a wife. A teetering economy propped up by building ghost cities and make-work projects. Purchasing mountains of commodities.
China is about stability. They cannot tolerate unrest, nearby skirmishes, nor interruption of their fragile economy or they will lose their control of the masses. This is how they vote in the UN and it reflects their dependency on a stable world on their terms.
At some point though they will need to DO something with the excess male population.
“spending” them in war seems likely. Their difficulty would be in transporting them here, so I find it odd that they feel the need to reassure the rest of Asia. If it were a book I would call it foreshadowing.
Then again, they will need a huge army to keep their population in check when QE3 finishes the dollar
we catch an economic cold, and the world catches pneumonia, their great experiment in “free” market collapses and the people revolt when China starts “austerity” progroms.
In a LOT of ways, the US and the rest of the world is in the SAME boat.
Report Post »I couldn’t be PLANNED that way by the G8 or G20 could it ? (bretton woods ?)
Nah… go back to watching 2 men and a boy…..
20 days and the EBT card is refreshed.
nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:22am@Snow
You’re right. Here’s a link
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/28cfe55a-f4a7-11d9-9dd1-00000e2511c8.html#axzz1OPJsmpA8
It’s not the one I was looking for, though. I’ll try again.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:33amWould you rather be conquered by Islam or China, because if (the sooner the better) the U.S doesn’t wake-up, one of the two are going to happen.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:38amThis isn’t the one either but you get the idea.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/7/17/170416.shtml
I think a fight with China is inevitable. China’s leader Hu demonstrated his, and his nation’s, contempt for your country, as well as the western world, during his visit to the White House. They are talking themselves into it. Starting to believe their own publicity. It‘s foolish stuff but that’s what leads to war. It was just this sort of idiocy that started WW1. Hopefully it won’t be too devastating to the west.
At least we won’t have to repay the money.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:41amWell lets face it, this generation of Americans don’t deserve freedom. Why don’t you think and argue really hard why you think you deserve freedom. Videos, and games, and sports can be viewed and played in captivity.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:42amWhat have men done for God lately with their Liberty?
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Posted on June 5, 2011 at 9:46am@NZ Kiwi:
Normally I would agree with the theory that if war comes to the world of US and China then the west would not take too much damage; mostly from the distance mainland China is from us – save for two simple matters…
Not long ago a SLBM was sent up into the air off of the CA coastline from a unknown sub; no one has admitted to who it belonged, and if it was not one of ours, then there are only two others it could be from – Russia or China.
The second is that while we do outmass in sheer numbers of nuclear devices against those of China she would only need to hit one or two major towns or cities on the West Coast to cause total chaos and potential collapse politically of the nation.
I always recall what the line was from Hunt for Red October “…this thing could park off the coast and no one would know it until it was all over…” (something to that effect.)
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:08am@Snow
Firstly Snow, the USA would not be alone. Your usual partners, Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand would be with you. (My apologies to those governments for deciding their foreign policy for them, but it is the obvious outcome.)
It is unlikely, I think, that it will escalate into full-blown nuclear war. In that case China might get one warhead through, but in return, half of their population would be vapourised and the other half sent back to the paddy fields – and they know it.
No, I think it will be a minor skirmish with China testing your alliances (as you note) and your resolve. If they thought that they had a half decent chance, they would have invaded Taiwan already. They are becoming bolder and talking themselves into a fight. A good, but not fatal, hiding is what they need when it starts. (Not fatal meaning not nuclear.)
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:08amAnd we keep all the money.
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Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:09amQuite a nice thought, really. The first war that’s been paid for in advance.
Report Post »Evileye
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:15amWe have nothing the China Wants
Report Post »A population in constant flux (if they had problem in tiananmen square think of the unruly USA)
They own us with out firing a shot.
Look for the Dragon to move north to Asiatic Russia.
Lot of Natural resources and very little population
Very easy to put a million Chinese on the northern boarder China 1.5 billion people Russia 138 million.
USA would be impossible for them to invade. people here are heavily and personally arm.
only option would be a Nuclear exchange our trident sub would wipe out there entire population
in the mater of min.The Chinese are traditional very intelligent people.
If I Were the Russians I would be very concerned.( A Dragon on your door step)
I am talking about the long term needs of china to supply there need to maintain this huge population.
The minute they stop advancing there are in deep trouble.
look at the stress the USA is in now with our unemployment (300,000 million people)
China with 1.5 billion is an economic time bomb Expand our Die
D0ntTread0nMe
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:21amIt’s funny to me just how terribly sad and oppressed those soldiers looks…thats what happens when they aren’t volunteers. Hey maybe they’ll be really nice and take out north Korea for us though.
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Cemoto78
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:24am“The strength of China’s armed forces is 20 years behind the U.S.” Wait till they have to become the worlds policeman, they’ll be broke soon too and we will get out manufacturing jobs back.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:32am@Evileye
The west does have things that China wants – in fact needs.
Wealth (as opposed to money)
Innovative technology (please stop handing it over for free)
Staunch friends (China’s friends are intransigent, treacherous, and self absorbed)
They are not in an ideal position yet, but they are confident enough to spit threats.
And you can bet that they all have their own personal copies of Sun Tsu
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:42am@NZ Kiwi:
Good points, I mostly tend to see things of warfare in the worst likely scenarios as for a short, hyper intense conflict. Indeed we can overwhelmingly smash them back into a massive golf course with a glass parking lot, and I love the idea that we get to keep the money.
The thing is though, my friend Fae is from mainland China, having escaped there when she was a girl in WW2; and she has a saying of the communists – always while facing the dragon, watch the tail, for when the claws distract, the tail whips in.
Do you think that Beiging is just flexing its muscles to try and shake the alliances we have in the area so they can make some more inroads at our expense?
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Posted on June 5, 2011 at 10:48am@EvilEye:
I tend to see and figure military conflicts in the way of a hyper war scenario – short, bloody and with the potential to be very destructive. Russia may be a fallen super power, yet she still has the nuclear weaponry of the old USSR on hand, and most of it still works.
Like NZKiwi has pointed out, we, like the russians, can turn China into a parking lot with no problems.
Yet China is showing signs of cracking from within; there are reports of massive drought and loss of harvests from within their nation…we may be seeing the first, deep cracks within the structure of China that will lead to her downfall.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 11:06amI didn’t know that, Snow. Do you have any links regarding the drought? I’d be very interested.
Report Post »Evileye
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 11:08amTo :NzkIWI
Report Post »I don’t disagree with your statement about the thing we have that China covets
By my statement they own us covers this
GE and many more large corporation freely negotiated away our Innovation & technology for there market share.
the Chinese will not make a deal unless they receive the technology with the transaction.
Like Lenin said “A capitalist will sell you the rope we will hang him with”
techengineer11
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 11:15amHa! Fear of the Chinese army is what you’re after eh? America not Asia better fear although China is not the aggressor. How many nations has China invaded in order to promote Democracy over the past 50 years?
The day is coming when America will be forced to pay the piper.. Although when that day comes I’m sure all of our War-Mongering Neo-Cons along with their Internationalist puppeteers will have found them another host to latch onto.. The ole “Stab in the Back” move.. Won’t be the first time it has been implemented and I’m certain that it won’t be the last..
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 11:18amD0ntTread0nMe: Exact same thing Hitler said about the Red Army. Amazing how much the threat of a bullet in the back of the head or a family memeber’s head will motivate one.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 11:26amNot a big surprise to me. It is foretold in the Bible about the million man army that marches towards Israel from the east. And crosses the Euphrates river on dry land. The six dams along the river and China’s army will make that happen. Just more prophecy coming to pass in these, the ‘last days’.
Report Post »mingfurecon
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 11:50amThis was the dream of Mao to become a Super Power. He and Kang Sheng, Zhou En Lai, Zhu De,(the list goes on), set about to build their Army by terrorizing and starving the people. This is old news, but our dear leader would like to do the same
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Posted on June 5, 2011 at 12:11pm@NZKiwi:
Here is a link to the drought in China:
http://news.scotsman.com/world/Drought-hit-China-to-reroute.6779716.jp
This is a matter I stumbled upon while reading the news from India; the Three Gorges Dam is being opened up a few weeks ago to try and move more water into the drought areas, this one may be the worst to hit them – according to the Chinese govt itself, in over a decade or even a generation. Search the internet for more articles than above…this has been reported on save in the US except for small town papers and blogs, for many a long month around the world.
Report Post »GPS-Tech
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 12:37pmComing soon to an asian theater of war near you! From the creators of The Art of War comes Promises of Peace.
Report Post »Marengo Ohio Patriot
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 1:18pmEvery thing fine US of A. We no threat! Now go back and watch your TV!
Report Post »imreddog
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 1:44pmWhen they say peace and safety, then comes sudden destruction.
Report Post »You cannot believe the Chinese Communists. They are building up their military to attack us. Anyone that believes them is a fool.
nzkiwi
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 5:31pmThanks, Snow. Had to go to bed (time difference).
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 6:24pmWe must fight back and stop buying cheap Chinese junk. BY AMERICAN if you can.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 6:53pmhahahahahahaha..the check is in the mail and we will respect your borders….
Report Post »My Sacred Honor
Posted on June 5, 2011 at 11:16pmi don’t presume to know the minds of the Chinese ruling class, but i do know one thing. Sun Tzu: The Art of War is a book I keep by my bedside, and you can believe that the Chinese ruling elite have that same book embedded into their memories.
Report Post »Thank you Snow and NZKIWI for the back and forth, I gained so much insight from your posts!
Justanumber
Posted on June 6, 2011 at 12:51amRead this
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Justanumber
Posted on June 6, 2011 at 1:02amSpeech By Comrade Chi Haotian
Vice-Chairman Of China’s
Military Commission
December, 2005
3-1-9
The following is the actual text of a speech delivered in December, 2005 by Comrade Chi Haotian the Vice-Chairman of China’s Military Commission to top officers and generals. Keep in mind that China has for many years advocated deceitful and covert warfare against its enemies. This is their Modus Operandi. There should be little question that a “Bird Flu” Pandemic would deeply excite them. (Don‘t forget how they have poisoned thousands of American pets and knowingly placed lead paints on toddler’s toys.)
http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/3778
Report Post »Justanumber
Posted on June 6, 2011 at 1:13amMaybe you have now come to understand why we recently decided to further promulgate atheism. If we let theology from the West into China and empty us from the inside, if we let all Chinese people listen to God and follow God, who will obediently listen to us and follow us? If the common people don’t believe Comrade Hu Jintao is a qualified leader, begin to question his authority, and want to monitor him, if the religious followers in our society question why we are leading God in churches, can our Party continue to rule China??
Report Post »We still need America. Therefore, we must do everything we can to promote our relationship with America, learn from America in all aspects and use America as an example to reconstruct our country. Only by using special means to ‘clean up’ America will we be able to lead the Chinese people there. Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.
banjarmon
Posted on June 6, 2011 at 1:07pmHow much has China hiden that we don’t KNOW!
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