China Cranks Up Effort to Spy on U.S. Secrets
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ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — The young man stood before the judge, his usually neatly trimmed hair now long enough to brush the collar of his prison jumpsuit. Glenn Duffie Shriver had confessed his transgressions and was here, in a federal courtroom with his mother watching, to receive his sentence and to try, somehow, to explain it all.
When the time came for him to address the court, he spoke of the many dreams he’d had to work on behalf of his country.
“Mine was to be a life of service,” he said. “I could have been very valuable. That was originally my plan.”
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EDITOR’S NOTE — China, ever more powerful, has become a major instigator of espionage in the United States. First of a two-part series on Beijing’s efforts, many successful, to steal American secrets and technology.
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He had been a seemingly all-American, clean-cut guy: No criminal record. Engaged to be married. A job teaching English overseas. In letters to the judge, loved ones described the 29-year-old Midwesterner as honest and caring — a good citizen. His fiancee called him “Mr. Patriot.”
Such descriptions make the one that culminated in the courtroom all the more baffling: Glenn Shriver was also a spy recruit for China. He took $70,000 from individuals he knew to be Chinese intelligence officers to try to land a job with a U.S. government agency — first the State Department and later the CIA.
And Shriver is just one of at least 57 defendants in federal prosecutions since 2008 charging espionage conspiracies with China or efforts to pass classified information, sensitive technology or trade secrets to intelligence operatives, state-sponsored entities, private individuals or businesses in China, according to an Associated Press review of U.S. Justice Department cases.
Of those, nine are awaiting trial, and two are considered fugitives. The other defendants have been convicted, though some are yet to be sentenced.
Most of these prosecutions have received little public attention — especially compared with the headline splash that followed last summer’s arrest of 10 Russian “sleeper agents” who’d been living in suburban America for more than a decade but, according to Attorney General Eric Holder, passed no secrets.
Contrast that with this snapshot:
—In Honolulu, a former B-2 bomber engineer and one-time professor at Purdue gets 32 years in prison for working with the Chinese to develop a vital part for a cruise missile in a case that a high-ranking Justice Department official said resulted in the leak of “some of our country’s most sensitive weapons-related designs.”
—In Boston, a Harvard-educated businessman is sent to prison, along with his ex-wife, for conspiring for a decade to illegally export parts used in military radar and electronic warfare systems to research institutes that manufacture items for the Chinese military. The Department of Defense concluded the illegal exports “represented a serious threat to U.S. national and regional defense security interests.”
—In Los Angeles, a man goes to jail for selling Raytheon-manufactured thermal imaging cameras to a buyer in Shanghai whose company develops infrared technology. The cameras are supposed to be restricted for export to China because of “their potential use in a wide variety of military and civilian applications,” according to court documents.
—And in Alexandra, Va., there is Shriver, who told the judge quite simply: “Somewhere along the way, I climbed into bed with the wrong people.”
All five of these defendants were sentenced over just an 11-day span earlier this year.
In Shriver’s case, when once he asked his Chinese handlers — “What, exactly, do you guys want?” — the response, as detailed in court documents, was straightforward.
“If it’s possible,” they told him, “we want you to get us some secrets or classified information.”
Despite denials from Beijing, counterintelligence experts say the cases reveal the Chinese as among the most active espionage offenders in America today, paying more money and going to greater lengths to glean whatever information they can from the United States.
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Just after the New Year, at an airfield in Chengdu, the Chinese military unveiled its first prototype stealth fighter jet: A radar-eluding plane called the J-20, which made its maiden test flight even as U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates was in Beijing on a rare visit.
If most Americans paid little attention, U.S. defense analysts were watching closely. And they were caught a bit off-guard.
Gates would later acknowledge that the flight came six months to a year before intelligence estimated it might happen.
So how did the Chinese do it? Was it reverse-engineering from parts taken after an American aircraft was shot down over Serbia in 1999, as some Balkan military officials alleged in interviews with The Associated Press?
Or was some of the technological know-how obtained through a U.S. engineer who spent several years working illegally to help the Chinese develop stealth technology?
A federal prosecutor raised the possibility of a link between the activities of Noshir Gowadia, once a key engineer on America’s B-2 bomber program, and the faster-than-expected development of Chinese stealth aircraft designs. The comments came just before Gowadia was sentenced to prison in a Honolulu court in January on espionage charges. He was convicted of 14 counts, including communicating national defense information to aid a foreign nation and violating the Arms Export Control Act.
“China aggressively seeks U.S. defense technologies, and the People’s Liberation Army are now shown to have been actively working on stealth aircraft designs, most certainly during Gowadia’s visits there,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Ken Sorenson wrote in a court filing, noting Gowadia worked in and with China for two years developing a stealth engine nozzle design.
In an interview, Sorenson said he couldn’t comment on any evidence of a link but added that “when an expert of that quality lands on your shores, and you’re interested in developing stealth technologies … don‘t you think it’s reasonable to assume that to some degree he’s assisting them in overall development? That is the kind of stakes we talk about when we talk about the transfer of these U.S.-born military technologies.”
For years, U.S. counterintelligence experts have cited a growing espionage threat from China, the product of an ever-more competitive world in which technology is as vital as political intelligence — but a sign, too, of China’s increasing prosperity, persistence and patience.
Recent cases reveal not only a high level of activity but also signs of changing tactics and emboldened efforts. In one case, a convicted spy managed to convince not one but two U.S. government officials to pass him secret information, telling them it was going to Taiwan when he instead passed it to a Chinese official.
The recruitment of more non-Chinese, such as Shriver and Gowadia (an India-born, naturalized U.S. citizen), also represents a shift, said Larry Wortzel, a former Army intelligence officer who serves on the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission. In the past, said Wortzel, China preferred to deal with those “assessed as sympathetic to China or with ethnic Chinese.”
And then there are the so-called “espionage entrepreneurs,” motivated simply by money.
When asked about the recent cases, the Chinese Foreign Ministry questioned the statistics, responding in a faxed statement: “To speak of the Chinese side’s so-called ‘espionage activities’ in the United States is pure nonsense with ulterior motives.”
However, Joel Brenner, who served as the U.S. National Counterintelligence Executive from 2006 to 2009, said: “The Chinese espionage threat has been relentless recently … we’ve never seen anything like it. Some of it’s public. Some of it’s private. And some of it lies in that ambiguous area in between.”
Today’s “agents” are professors and engineers, businessmen exporting legitimate products while also shipping restricted technology and munitions, criminal capitalists who see only dollar signs. While some may be acting at the direction of a government handler, others supply information to firms for either private enterprise or state-sponsored research — or both.
Driving all of this, U.S. officials said, are China’s desire to develop a modernized military and its burgeoning wealth; last year China surpassed Japan as the world’s second-largest economy, behind only the United States.
“They have more money to pay for things,” said Steve Pelak, a deputy chief of the Justice Department’s counterespionage section who points to the amounts given to Shriver before he was ever in a position to access, much less pass, secrets.
Still more money is going to private firms to help develop and build China’s military technology, sometimes through parts obtained illegally from U.S. manufacturers.
Indeed most of the Justice Department cases reviewed by the AP involve the illegal export of restricted defense-related parts or so-called “dual-use” technology, which can have commercial or military applications. These are items such as integrated circuits for radar systems, high-power amplifiers designed for use in early-warning radar and missile target acquisition systems, and military grade night-vision technology.
But that only scratches the surface. Other cases involve the theft of trade secrets by individuals once employed at major U.S. corporations, including Boeing, Motorola and Dow. In some instances, the secrets were computer source codes or, in cases still awaiting trial, related to the development of organic pesticides and telephone communications technology.
Stolen information about the space shuttle and technical data about the capabilities of the U.S. Navy’s nuclear-powered submarines have also been passed along, as has simulation software used to help train fighter pilots.
While export cases and economic espionage comprise most of the China-related intelligence prosecutions in recent years, there have been a few notable instances of more traditional espionage — among them the Shriver case and that of Tai Shen Kuo, a Louisiana businessman born in Taiwan who obtained information from two federal government employees that he passed to China.
It all fits into what some experts call China’s “vacuum cleaner” approach to information-collection: Catch whatever you can.
“It’s a little like … the cancer that you don’t know your body has. You don‘t know that you’re in trouble until it manifests itself in ways that really, really hurt you,” said Michelle Van Cleave, another former National Counterintelligence Executive who served under President George W. Bush.
She points to revelations that surfaced throughout the 1990s regarding China’s procurement of U.S. nuclear secrets. The public controversy came to a head in 1999, when a select congressional committee was named to investigate Chinese espionage and security concerns at U.S. weapons labs.
Then came the government’s bungled handling of Wen Ho Lee, the former scientist once identified as the focus of a probe into the theft of nuclear secrets at Los Alamos National Laboratory who wound up pleading guilty to a single count of downloading sensitive material.
Intelligence assessments later concluded that China’s successful nuclear espionage effort dated back to at least the late 1970s, and reports blamed everything from foreign visitor and scientific exchange programs to espionage on the part of scientists such as Peter Lee, another Los Alamos researcher who did share classified information with Chinese scientists.
But as Van Cleave points out: The exact methods used to acquire those secrets may never be known.
“We know they have them,” she said. “We just don’t know how they got them.”
Today, with ever more cases being prosecuted, we do know more — not only about what’s being pursued, but how and why.
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“If you have customers in mainland China, please let us know if we could be of any help. In China, it seems impossible for most companies to buy directly from US. We can act as middleman for you.”
It was 1996 and Zhen Zhou “Alex” Wu, a one-time schoolteacher in his native China who later studied at Harvard, was e-mailing a firm to pitch his new business: A company dedicated to selling electronics components to Chinese customers. Based in Shenzhen, China, the company, Chitron, opened a single U.S. office in Waltham, Mass., to acquire and ship desired technology.
The Massachusetts firm, federal authorities now say, was merely a front to facilitate the export of defense technology from U.S. manufacturers to Chinese military-related institutes. And Wu now sits in a federal prison after being sentenced in January to eight years for conspiring to illegally export restricted technologies.
According to the Department of Defense, the exported items are “vital for Chinese military electronic warfare, military radar, fire control, military guidance and control equipment, and satellite communications.” Also included: parts “that the People’s Liberation Army actively seeks to acquire.”
The use of front companies, or private firms that may also do legitimate business, is a common way that China seeks information, said Pelak, who in 2007 was appointed the Justice Department’s first national export control coordinator, focusing on illegal export of munitions and sensitive technology. Prosecutions have since gone up, and today two-thirds of federal illegal export cases involve either China or Iran.
“Those private firms, in China and operating elsewhere, they’re paid money to do this and they have great incentive to be doing it,” said Pelak.
Take the case of William Chi-Wai Tsu, a naturalized U.S. citizen and electrical engineer serving a three-year prison sentence for illegally shipping several hundred thumbnail-size integrated circuits to a Beijing company called Dimagit Science & Technology. Investigators said the circuits have a variety of potential applications, including use in sophisticated communications and military radar systems.
Dimagit’s catalog, according to court records, displayed images of Chinese military craft and promised: “We unswervingly take providing the motherland with safe, reliable and advanced electronic technical support to revitalize the national defense industry as our mission. Ride the wind and cleave the waves, and set sail to cross the sea.”
Among Dimagit’s clients: a research institute affiliated with the state-owned China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp.
Court records reviewed by the AP describe how Tsu went about acquiring restricted parts: He created a fictitious company called Cheerway Trading and used the California address of a friend for shipping. He then provided false end-user statements to American electronics distributors, promising that the parts he sought were not for export but for domestic use — specifically a project with Cisco Systems. If a distributor pressed Tsu, he would claim that nondisclosure agreements prevented him from providing more detail.
Similar tactics were used in a case still awaiting sentencing in Seattle. Lian Yang, a former software engineer at Microsoft, pleaded guilty in late March to attempting to buy restricted technology for a “partner” in China — specifically 300 radiation-hardened programmable semiconductor devices that are used in satellites.
Yang told a confidential FBI source that he had old school friends in China who’d made money importing electronic components from the United States. He suggested creating a fake U.S. company to list as the end-user for parts that would, in actuality, be exported to China.
“Say we need it (the parts) for R and D,” he said, meaning research and development, further suggesting that the informant be listed as the company contact because that individual had a non-Chinese name. “And I will be the secret shareholder,” said a laughing Yang, according to a court affidavit.
Yang was arrested last Dec. 3 after he handed $20,000 to undercover agents in exchange for five of the semiconductor devices. He later confessed that he intended to drive to Canada and then fly to China to deliver the parts himself. His sentencing is set for June 30.
“Boiled down to its essence, the defendant‘s offense amounted to a form of espionage on behalf of the People’s Republic of China,” prosecutors argued in court papers.
However, some defense attorneys counter that these export cases aren’t espionage at all or even deliberate attempts to circumvent U.S. laws — but rather an outgrowth of confusing policies and, perhaps, overzealous prosecutors.
In the Chitron case, appeals lawyers for Alex Wu insist U.S. export regulations don’t make clear enough what can and cannot be legally exported.
“Wu and others at his firm were not equipped and did not have the training needed to understand this country’s extremely complicated export control laws,” said his lawyer, Michael Schneider.
Stephanie Siegmann, the assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted the case, responded that evidence clearly showed that Wu did understand the export restrictions. One spreadsheet found on his computer was titled, “GP (Gross Profit) for USA Restricted Military Parts.” In e-mails he repeatedly instructed an employee, “Do not say you export parts. Just say you are broker.”
To get around export laws, court documents said, Chitron workers identified defense-related parts as “electronics components” classified as “No License Required” and falsely listed freight forwarders in Hong Kong (where U.S. export policies are more lenient) as the end-user.
Among the parts exported: phase shifters used in military radar systems.
“With such equipment,” the Department of Defense’s Defense Technology Security Administration concluded, “China could defeat U.S. weapon systems.”
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Earlier this year, retired FBI agent I.C. Smith gave a speech called “China’s Mole” at the International Spy Museum in Washington, D.C. It was about a man who landed a job with the Central Intelligence Agency and later turned out to be a spy for China.
As Smith told a rapt audience: “The intelligence community had been penetrated.”
He was referring to one of the most damaging Chinese espionage cases of all time: the infiltration of Larry Chin, a naturalized U.S. citizen who in 1986 admitted to spying for China during his almost three decades with the CIA. As a former Chinese counterintelligence supervisor, Smith helped investigate Chin, who later committed suicide.
Smith was stunned to learn of the 5½-year recruitment of Glenn Shriver and China’s “run at the front door” of America’s pre-eminent intelligence agency.
“The Chinese,” Smith said, “still have the capacity to surprise.”
How did they do it in Shriver’s case? Standing before a federal judge on a blustery day in January, Shriver tried to explain how he went down the path to betrayal.
“It started out fairly innocuous,” he recalled. During a college study-abroad program in Shanghai, he was taken with Chinese culture and became proficient in Mandarin. After graduating from Grand Valley State University in Michigan in 2004, he returned to China to look for work.
Shriver was just 22 years old when, in October 2004, he first met a woman in Shanghai who would introduce him to the Chinese intelligence officers who persuaded him to consider turning against his own country. According to court documents, he’d responded to an English-language ad looking for scholars of East Asian studies to write political papers.
He met several times with a woman called “Amanda,” delivered to her a paper about U.S.-China relations regarding North Korea and Taiwan, and was paid $120.
She later asked Shriver if he’d be interested in meeting some other people — two men he came to know as “Mr. Wu“ and ”Mr. Tang.” Over the next several years, they would meet at least 20 times.
As outlined in court documents and Shriver’s own statements, the conversations, at first, focused on developing a “friendship.” The men asked Shriver what type of work he was interested in and said that if he planned on seeking a job with a U.S. government agency, “we can be close friends.” Had he ever thought about working for the U.S. State Department or, perhaps, the CIA? “That would be pretty good,” they told him.
“Only one time was I told that they would like secrets,” Shriver told the judge.
Six months after first meeting “Amanda,” Shriver applied for a job as a foreign service officer with the U.S. State Department. Though he failed the foreign service exam, the intelligence officers paid him $10,000. A year later, in April 2006, he took the exam a second time but again failed. He was nevertheless paid $20,000.
Then, in June 2007, Shriver applied for a position in the clandestine branch of the CIA. A few months later, he asked the Chinese intelligence officers for $40,000 for his efforts.
During all this time, friends and family — Shriver’s mother, especially — thought he was just trying to figure out what to do with his life. He moved for a while to Los Angeles, and talked about becoming a police officer or joining the Peace Corps. Eventually he returned overseas, this time to Korea, where he taught English and got engaged to a girl named Yumi.
No one knew he was continuing to communicate with his Chinese handler, “Amanda.”
In June 2010, Shriver underwent a series of final security screening interviews at the CIA in Virginia, during which he lied in response to questions about any previous affiliation with foreign intelligence officers. A week later, he was arrested — U.S. officials wouldn’t disclose what led them to him — and his clandestine life unraveled.
“Nobody knew. Nobody,” said his mother, Karen Chavez. “He was a good kid. Worked, earned money, was respectful. … I don’t know what he was thinking.”
The closest her son came to an explanation was when he told the sentencing judge: “I think I was motivated by greed.”
In a telephone interview from prison in April, Shriver tried to expand on that.
“When you’re 23 years old living in a very fun city, you almost get addicted to money and you just kind of have it on tap,” he told the AP. “After a while it’s kind of like: OK, I’m kind of up on what these guys are doing. But by then it’s just money getting thrown at you. I’m just like … I can apply to this, get some money and then just continue on with my life.”
Even now he wonders aloud: “What, exactly, did I do that was so illegal?”
Shriver pleaded guilty to conspiracy to communicate national defense information and is serving a four-year prison term.
It’s true that he was, after all, never in a position to actually do any spying. No harm done? That may depend on how you look at it.
“This case shows an aggressive attempt by (China) to recruit an American citizen and attempt to place him in one of the nation’s premier intelligence agencies,” said Neil MacBride, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, whose office has handled a number of China-related intelligence cases.
“Foreign intelligence services are watching,” he said, “and they’re looking for any weakness they can identify and exploit.”
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Pauline Arrillaga, a Phoenix-based national writer for The Associated Press, can be reached at features(at)ap.org.
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Comments (134)
David, the Constitutional Libertarian
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 7:07amWhen are they going to arrest Bill Clinton for giving China nuclear war resistant computer chips?
Or was that part of the Mutually Assured Destruction protocol?
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 8:24amNEvER !
Report Post »that is the master plan Clinton is just doing the will of
the Rothschilds same as all the others.
Thevoice
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 6:28amThe Chines have already out fox us. Let’s see some idiot in the US designs a product then the idiots company sends the design back to their State “RENTED” production facility in China. So China now has the ability to make the product and learn from its design. What we in the US are left with is a useless overpriced engineering school we have already taught them what they need to know. A empty shell of a corporation that sells the product here. Wait I know what we got here in the good old U.S.A millions and millions of square feet of useless rented, now banked owned ( or Tarp funded) warehouse space that was only good when America was supposed to …Go out and shop.. But now sits empty with a big ..call Cr Richards sign on it ..Word to the young American ..If you come up with a idea on something. The real true blood and guts business person learns what it would take to build the product themselves. Don’t fall for this crap that some communist bastard can get it done for you …Just look at their ghost cities …looks great until you see it’s a empty nothing….And don’t believe this communist crap from their communist cable news now being played on our cable networks. Come bring your business to the port of dong yang , or yang my dong ..or the wonderful manufacturing city of yang in your donkey .Because you will wind up at some point with that happening ….or in the future you will feel like you were in ..Wan raped me China….
Report Post »jdoors
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 6:28amRep. Dana Rohrabacher
Report Post »Thursday, April 26, 2001
This is the text of a speech on the House floor by U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.
http://www.mi7.co/2010/10/christine-odonnell-is-right-on-china.html
Craig
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 5:36am@Enuff Zenuff – I agree with you!
Report Post »EP46
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 5:26amChina put Clinton into office the same as the Arab world put obama into office. Clinton opened the flood gates with trade with China, gave them our super computers and all our manufacturing jobs. Between China and NAFTA there was not much more damage he could have done except close down all the military bases, which he did. Clinton did NOTHING for America….he just happened to be sitting in the oval office during the dot com bubble and he kept raising taxes…so the gov. raked in the money. Anyone in office at that time would have benefited from the rise in the economy, but he had nothing to do with it, just took advantage of it. But he sure screwed us by destroying all our jobs and giving away our technology. But of course the ‘young voters’ who believe in Hope & Change do not know the real story of the Clintons.
Report Post »I SPY
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 4:29amWhy bother spying? All they have to do is ask Nobama and he’ll happily hand over everything.
Report Post »enufznuf
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:44amMany of this so called presidents bff’s are linked to countries that wish the USA harm/ruin. GE being the producer of the timers found in hundreds of IED’s comes to mind. I‘m surprised Obama didn’t name Immelt the green bomb czar.
Report Post »GadsdenPatriot
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:40amWe need a 12 month holiday to boycott all things made in China! Every chance I get I buy American, please join me in helping to stop the funding to Communist China. It’s easy! Reject any label that says made/assembled in China or made in China but assembled in USA before you put it into your cart. Even if you’ve never voted, it is an easy, practical, patriotic thing to do that helps the US economy. The cost is only a small moment of your time.
Report Post »enufznuf
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:55amAs a kid I knew to look out for the “made in china”. It was junk then, and still is…
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:37amOkay this is happening WAY too much lately, even the Soviets weren’t this aggressive in stealing American technologies and secrets… We really need to start nailing down things better, we are taking our eyes off of China and its rampant espionage and Russia’s energy monopolization of Europe to create the Eastern Bloc 2.0
We’ve got our eyes so fixated on the Middle East which is not going to change and will never change until the day we cancel our last oil purchases from them and use all of our own overly abundant domestic resources just begging to be tapped, extracted and used, the Middle East is a waste or our time, money, LIVES and resources… we need to bring the major bulk of our troops home, get some re-deployed on the Mexican Border ASAP and start to massively build up our intelligence and counter-intelligence against China and Russia and get back on the ball NOW !!!
Report Post »GadsdenPatriot
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:42amYou can say that again!!!
Report Post »bumpbs
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 5:56amAgree…
Just to make another point.. China is more aggressive because they own us. They have too much of our debt and we can’t do a damn thing about it. We will let this slide and not do anything about it cause they could crash our economy any time they want.
Report Post »kterris
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:37amI love how espionage is now considered common knowledge…
Report Post »ourrightsourfreedom
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:11amThese morons should be executed for betraying their own country! America should stop trading with China too.
Report Post »ourrightsourfreedom
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:09amAny U.S citizens who betrayed America must be executed after is found guilty. He/she don’t deserve to an American for betraying their own country. We don’t need these kind of animals. America should stop trading with China too.
Report Post »scguitar
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:58amWell what the hell? Should‘ve nuked China back in the 60’s when we had the chance
Report Post »Randyrocker
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:50amChina doesn’t have to steal American Technology, Americans are running over to China to give them all of technology they need or want, in some cases for free, if they will just let these Americans have a little piece of their marketplace. China doesn’t have to steal anything, why would they when they can buy anything they wish in the United States with America’s own money, that’s owed to them as they hold over 2.3 Trillion USD in debt with the interest on the debt growing higher every day.
Report Post »You are being conned once again by Obama’s people into anger against China and the likelihood of a trade war, or even a war with China down the line. Obama has nothing more to offer the American people than to find and create enemies, now that America’s favorite boogie man is gone.
Secrets? If there are any secrets that American‘s should be concerned with they’re in the White House with Homeland Security/NSA/CIA/TSA and the FBI, not to forget the FEMA Camps and the FEMA coffins and the FEMA trains. Do some of your own research and you will be utterly amazed and shocked as to who your real enemies are, and if you think that they’re Chinese, you’re one fool.
BoilitDown
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:36amThe Associated Press has got to be kidding or very naive. With all of the people in our federal government so eager to jump into the New World Order boat, they are more transparent with the Chinese than they are the citizens of the United States. China just doesn’t have to work that hard to find out anything they want to know.
Report Post »De minimus
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:21amGee… I wonder why they’d want to spy on us since they are our friends. Then again I wonder why they would want a modern blue water navy. Probably the same motives that we have, no doubt.
Did you ever wonder why we no longer seem to be able to protect ourselves? Or why some how we always seem to be about two seconds to two years late on everything anymore?
Did you ever wonder why some of your congressmen and senators vote the way they do by crippling our country all the while claiming to be strengthening it? Ever wonder why the Media always goes along with them?
I don’t. I know why. The reason is the red berets and hammer and sickle pins that they many of them have in their closets. Then there is the extortion of their votes by way of information which could harm them and perhaps even put them in jail. Not that it’s ever been done before by Marxists elsewhere.
Report Post »caprica
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:05amboycutt the junk form the yellow plague !
Report Post »caprica
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:05amgive them techonlogy that would back fire on china !
Report Post »we must boycutt the chinesse ! they are real bastards……they are real different than us !
caprica
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:03amAdd your comments
Report Post »caprica
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:03amchinesse are communsits ****……boycutt their sshiiiiit ! stop buying sssshit form China! when will America wake up and learn ! ….Buy one thing – quality and keep it ….don’t buy the communsit poison junk! don’t even spend 1 dollar on chineeesse junke
Report Post »we hate the communit dictators ……obama is just like the communit china ! vote ther dictator out of office in 2012
caprica
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:01amclinton gave chinese our technology ..how to lounch rackets……with out American technology – Chineese would be riding bicycles…..these people are not smart at all …..this is a mitt…..they are stealing technology from USA anyway they can…..
Report Post »we are sufferinig in USA now …..because our money is rebulding communsit china….
Donald Trump is right ! vote for ‘Donald…..he is ready to deal with China with a boot on their throat ! our government sold USA to china years ago ….the corrupted demorats and the corrupted republicans – the same shiiiit !
BOYCUTT EVERYTHING FROM CHINA! STOP BUYING CHINEESE JUNK !
Boycutt Chinese products….which is no good anyway ….junk ! junk ! junk !
saviorammo
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:49amIt’s perfect. We don’t owe you jack, Chinkbag thieves! Just think if the Mexicans were as productive with the stuff they stole?
Tapping the World Bank, placing employees at the U.S Patent office. And we wonder how you steal our intellectual property. Plus you know everything and everyone from running our Post Offices.
Your discipline could really help America. Be interested to see how your stance on women and gays would go over. Anyway, we don’t owe you a damn thing and soon we will start using your Navy for target pracitce.
Lauching that missile off of L.A and in the Gulf was not appreciated either.
We will all end up suffering together, but we will never bow to you commie bastards! Never!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:46amAnd, if they don’t already have it, Obama will trade it to them for a global treaty, no doubt in my mind at all.
Report Post »Elena2010
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:04amWe are so screwed. Similar happened on Clinton’s watch.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:31amYou are wrong Showtime. He will trade them for a bag of magic beans that sprout Hope and Change. Plus a hefty donation (anon. of course) to his 2012 campaign.
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:52amDarmok -
Report Post »Hadn’t thought about that.
Gail_B_Bell
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 11:12am@Showtine
Report Post »EXACTLY ever since they got Walmart, they NOW OWN everything important in out LAND!
Ducky 1
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:28amDidn’t think there was that much left to spy on here! Thought they had all of it all ready.
Report Post »AnAppealToGod
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:33amWhy the hell aren’t we at least seeing it on our major news sources? I mean..I know why…..BUT WHY IS IT THAT WAY??????????
Report Post »Robert-CA
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:42amI‘m not that worried about the Chinese as much as I’m worried of the american commies in this country .
Report Post »Really shame on every American that thinks socialism or communism is a good thing .
We should all keep our eyes open against these new commies fanatics along with the islamic fanatics .
Bunk
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:22amNot surprising since treason seems to be something that is never charged anymore!
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:25amSince when has China not run full speed to get our secrets,… even when the dems, libs, and progressives give them away??
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:48amSince they are all naturalized citizens,
Report Post »how about their US citizenship be revoked ?
There are provisions for that in the US law .
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:48amDidn’t Bill Clinton start this program? Or was he the first recruit?
Greed…..People will do anything for money!
Report Post »FlatFoot
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:57amChina’s technologies and sciences are just like everything else that is made in and that comes from China… cheap knock-offs. About as durable and last about as long too. For that reason China will always be behind the USA in technology and science and will never ever be our equal no matter how many secrets they lie, cheat, and steal to obtain.
Report Post »Enuff Zenuff
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:00am.
@Banjarmon
How dare you say the Clinton administration GAVE our secrets away to the Chinese! – The Clinton’s SOLD our secrets for thousands of dollars in contributions to the Democratic party.
The Democrats may be low-rent prostitutes, but they’re not whores! ‘Gave’ them away indeed! You must have them confused with the neo-cons.
Report Post »AnAppealToGod
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:24amChina has the biggest and most unexperienced military on Earth.
Report Post »Got a lot of fancy gadgets, and their numbers are big…but they lack a lot of real balls.
Enuff Zenuff
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:34am.
@Flatfoot – You’re outdated here as the Chinese now exceed US quality in many manufactured industrial products. The US still holds a slight lead in creativity & innovation but Chinese suppliers make some of the best electronics and high-quality steels in the world.
NOTE TO ALL: The Chinese gov’t works WITH its industrialists to corner markets in natural resources and to gain advantages for their corporations. Our progressive-led US gov’t treats US industrialists like an enemy – to be over-taxed, enslaved, over-regulated, and starved.
Trust me on this – the USA has no chance against the Chinese under our current government’s myopic policies. Without an immediate all-out, balls-to-the-wall, pro-industry, anti-corrupt-unions government with a low-corporate taxation policy, USA’s economy will be eclipsed by the Chinese within the next 20 years.
Does anyone imagine our gov’t policy toward industry changing? Me neither. Your kids will never have it as good as your parents did in the USA, and it’s not because the Chinese are abusing their people with ruthless Communism – No! – it‘s because the Chinese gov’t has embraced Capitalism on a massive level – with gov’t support at every stage, while our gov’t blocks our producers at every stage.
Another major factor: Most Chinese college students are majoring in math, science, engineering, architecture & Int’l business – useful studies! – while US students learn how to sue each other in law schools = sel
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:41amThis is where Donald Trump would know what to do and do it.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 2:42am@Enuff Zenuff
SADLY too true!
Report Post »AzDebi
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:29amOFF TOPIC! BUT CRITICAL!
US Soldiers Performed “Loud Recitation of the Four Takbirs” (allahu akbar) four times Over Bin Laden’s “Washed” Body On The USS Carl Vinson
“Many of us, myself in particular, were repulsed and outraged by the revelation that the US military was forced to bury Osma bin Laden according to Islamic precepts, and that it was the priority of the Obama administration that it be done right — much preparation was made prior to the kill. They couldn’t decide on releasing the pictures prior to the kill, but studying Islamic texts and preparing for an Islamic burial, that was what the Obama administration deemed important.”
Do the thousands of students and proud Americans who spontaneously took to the streets on the news that bin laden was killed know that Obama commanded such a grotesque act of submission?
Few realize that it requires the “loud recitation of the four tabkbirs”(allahu akbar). See Fiqh Us-Sunnah: Funerals and Dhikr by As-Sayyid Sabiq, page 39.
The idea that we, as Americans, supported, endorsed and recited “allahu akbar” loudly four times on the back of the USS Carl Vinson as a part if his funeral would disgust most Americans.
Can you imagine the reaction of the 9/11 families when they learn we recited the battle cry of the terrorists when disposing of bin laden?
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
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Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:44am@Enuf Zenuf
You are wrong on quite a few points….
First, the steel manufactured in China is crapola….No integrity and has many impurities. So that statement is untrue…Electronics from China are crapola….Everyone here knows this…It’s junk crapola….
The Chinese do not work WITH, they run the companies… Thus it’s called “State Capitalism” unless your sayingthe Chineses do not know what they themselves are called….State=National… Capitalism=Free Market so a National run companies isn’t Capitalism, it’s Fascism….
Yes, thru“Progressing” Americans have regulated themselves into a bad corner…Thru Unions, Americans have ran businesses out…It’s called greed, not Capitalism….America hasn’t been Capitalistic for quite some time…
Trust is earned…Without an immediate reversal in all Socialistic policies Americans have no chance…Without going back to Liberty Americans have no chance….We have become lazy, dumb, and dependent on Government from Socialistic policies…Those policies cause high taxes, corrupt unions, and ant-industry sediment.
Yes I do believe our Government by We the PEOPLE will change, but only after sacrifice for the mistakes we have made…Mao was Communist…China today is fascist, a step back so to compete with the former USA….USA progressed to Socialism…A fascist economy beats an Socialistic economy everyday of the week…A capitalistic economy beats them both ALWAYS…
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 3:49amOnly a small percentage of Chinese live out of poverty and those who do are working for the collective….Just like Hitler’s Germany…
Turning America into a Fascist country like China is not the answer…
Once Americans face reality that the USA is Socialistic and the result of it is it‘s downfall The USA will choose it’s destiny…
Our parents had it “so good” from these Socialistic policies…Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, income tax, Union greed, ethnic based handouts, ethnic based grants, aid to the world, etc…Those policies led to today…once we take responsibility and kick Nanny Government to the curb America will reset itself, until then the USA will continue until it’s demise as we see…
Maybe the fascist Chinese need to eclipse Socialistic America in order to wake us up…
Report Post »Jediusetheforce
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 4:49amWe need a good war to boost the economy…Sign me up to go to China.
Report Post »gotta light
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 4:57amWhy spy? I’m sure if China asked Obama would just give him any US secrets without the spying.
It does seem like it would be Obama’s M.O.
Hey bud gotta light?
Report Post »LOOKING_BOTH_WAYS
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 5:07am@ AzDebi…….OFF TOPIC! BUT CRITICAL!….as well
In Cairo, Egypt 6 people dead and over 100 injured when Muslims stormed a Christian Church
and they started shooting at each other, the Muslims also set the Church on fire.
they did this because they thought the Christians were holding a women captive, who they claim Converted to Muslim after she married a Muslim man
http://www.ghananaija.com/2011/05/08/at-least-6-dead-in-sectarian-clashes-outside-cairo-church/
Report Post »GETLIFE
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 5:43amLooks like some here don’t remember the story of “Made in Japan.”
Report Post »crapola
crapola
not bad
better
much better
American markets (electronics, automobiles) crushed…..
tower7femacamp
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 6:18amthey don’t have to spy China owns the US.
Report Post »look the Federal reserve is letting them off the t bill
hook before the whole bond market blows up
don’t worry I am sure they will be protecting your pensions
also.
Mandiru
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 6:22amResearch Chinese drywall.
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 6:45amIt amazes me how many Americans are willing to sell this nation out for a fistfull of dollars
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 6:51am@AzDebi
“OFF TOPIC! BUT CRITICAL!
US Soldiers Performed “Loud Recitation of the Four Takbirs” (allahu akbar) four times Over Bin Laden’s “Washed” Body On The USS Carl Vinson…”
This makes me want to puke. Glad you posted it tho. Thanks
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 7:06amEXCELLENT OBSERVATION!!!
It shouldn’t be hard at all, considering there’s traitors infiltrated within that will GIVE or SELL the Chinese our most precious military secrets!
They’ve caught some of them already, Russian AND Chinese, and even recently!
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 7:07amThe traitor IS like a cancer, but we know damn well we have it, and the TRAITOR IS THE PLAGUE.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 8:00amlets start with the clowns in the white house…
Report Post »Highland
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 8:21amTreason charges would have taken out more than a few Clinton Administration officials and a whole heck of a lot more Obama lackeys.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 8:30amI’d say they would be more likely to find the most damaging leaks with “One world” culprits at the highest Executive levels of U.S Government.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 8:36amHIGHLAND
You skipped one.
You jumped right over an entire administration.
Report Post »Gail_B_Bell
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 8:39amGangsta Gummint Gone Wild! Coward DEM Truman prevented “general” MacArthur from conquering the CHI-COMS half a century ago!
Report Post »Now Look! Look where we are!
It is Time to FIRE all Gummint and have Bush-era Contractors led by patriotic Donald Rumsfeld make sure they do the Right thing.
Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 9:18amVery, very serious. BUT…don‘t take your eye off ’the other hand’: RUSSIA & American communists. They are still operating FULL BLAST. This is yet another trick to divert attention.
Report Post »Professional Infidel
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 9:31amThat ain’t no paper tiger!!
Report Post »JoeBtfsplk
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 9:33am@ENUFF ZENUFF
You are spot on in your interpretation of China and the critical differences between America.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 9:48amENUFF ZENUFF is the person who just said this about Magnificent China:
“There’s no question that the Chinese are expected to dominate the 21st century, while Western populations and culture are receding. I‘m sure that the West’s rejection of capitalism and embrace of Islam’s 7th-century culture will help us compete with the Chinese…(!?)
The Chinese have an incredibly diverse population – yet they’ve shown zero tolerance for Muslim extremism. Perhaps they are on to something.”
Perhaps they are onto something?
Yea, like treating their workers like slaves, utter peons, peasants, Serfs…etc.
That’s the only way they are able to advance THEIR military industrial complex, how do you think America is going to advance OURS to compete, considering we are already broke?
Can you say “FEMA CIVILIAN LABOR CAMP”?
They are already touting China as the New Economic Model for the New World Order.
Please stop drinking any official kool-aid.
I peed and spit in it.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 9:58amOnce we reconfigure the technology to separate elements by altering the spin of atomic nuclei with electromagnetic fields and centifugal/centripetal force to extract gold instead of uranium, the Chinese could own ALL of the world’s resources, and NEVER have an advantage.
We could extract all the gold dissolved in seawater, some 70% of the entire planet’s gold.
You could also use it to desalinate seawater and make it into BLUE GOLD.
They simply don’t want to do that, they would rather throw all that money for research and development into the Military Industrial Complex, the apparatus they intend to use to EXTERMINATE 90% of the world’s population.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 10:01amAltering the spin of atomic nuclei with electromagnetic fields and centrifugal/centripetal force is also the key to curing ALL DISEASE.
Report Post »SANE_I think
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 10:52amEnuff Zenuff
Report Post »NO, Not twenty years…TRY 4! Yes 4 years, as things are now, We will be #2 and falling. The thanx goes to the progressives and the unions. I wonder if after they use us up, they plan on moving to China to try the same there…
Gas137
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 10:52amThe Chinese communist leaders are more concerned with increasing military might than feeding their own people. Our current leaders are more concerned with “social justice” than maintaining our security and economic survival.
US spy activities are focused on chasing down people like bin Laden and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in North Africa.
Report Post »Evileye
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 10:56amWhy not just ask Obumbler the stumbler he would instantly drop his silk patties and beg for inforced anal enlargement and give them anything for a little praise.
Report Post »US Citizen
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 10:57amIt use to be that acts of treason were executable offenses. @Anappealtogod, we’re the country without the balls, otherwise these traitors would be executed for their acts against their country and not placed in prison for a few years…..
Report Post »TheLascone
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 11:17amChina is taking over ….
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oldoldtimer
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 11:31amEasiest thing in the world. Americans are actually seeking out the Chinese to sell them secrets. That greed thing don’t you know. They see Congress getting all those kickbacks , graft and bribes and decide they want some of the Congressional dream, MONEY. There are no etitcs in this country any more, ethics have been replaced by unadulterated greed. get it no matter what. I am really sick of funpricapabled moralless Americans. Americans are so corrupt it takes little effort for the Chinese to get the info they want even Top Secret.
Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on May 8, 2011 at 1:00pm@GetLife
We agree!
Japan was
crapola
crapola
Not bad
Better
Much better
Crapola and crapola periods were with out American input and real investment, Empire of Japan …Not bad came from some American investment and know how due to American labor clamps and Government intrusion here…Better was Japanese beginning to run with this know how and much better is from Japanese making the businesses run lean…But all in all Americans created the Japan of today….
China just makes crapola…Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are leaving Socialistic America and have, instead of staying, taking responsibility and keeping America great, they bailed…These Americans turned Communist China into Fascist China of today…China Government gets paid, investor gets paid and workers treated like a slave….Sounds great doesn’t it…..Japanese would say they have no “honor”…. I would agree….
Hope your days good GetLife….
Report Post »Enuff Zenuff
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 3:44am.
@ Okie from Muskogee
I beg to differ… I don’t know what products you are looking at for steel and electronics, but I’ve been to China several times while working for several automotive suppliers. 1) China’s electronics rivaled anything we could find in the world, at a price that no one else could compete with. 2) I recently had some Chinese steel stampings analyzed by a metallugical lab and the lab swore these were “Perfumed” samples (industry slang for samples that were cherry-picked to look better than could be made with average production processes). The lab was wrong about that as these parts were randomly selected among thousands of parts already produced and sitting in inventory. The lab was amazed that the metallurgy for HSLA steels showed an amazing sophistication in that the alloy was uniquely custom-tuned to the process – that the Chinese were using an alloy not commonly used in the USA.
Back when the US was the dominant producer in the world, we certainly taught Japan and then China much of what they know. The problem is that we stopped learning. We got fat and lazy while they have been lean and hungry. The Japanese learned their superior quality techniques from Demming – an American who was unknown in the USA because no one in America would listen to him until the Japanese started kicking our butts in the 1980′s.
I love America and do not favor the Asians winning, but it is this myopic attitude of thinking we’re superior that will make us
Report Post »Enuff Zenuff
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 4:22am.
@Sinista MACE
I was only partially being tongue-in-cheek, but yes, the Chinese are on to something in how their government supports their industry. The Chinese gov’t stopped owning companies by the year 2002 and told all of the state-run companies to ‘sink or swim’ on their own.
That sink-or-swim mentality is what made America grow so powerful in it’s first century. Progressive policies and Powerful Unions (both of which redistribute income) are ONLY possible when there is an excess of productivity available to share… but are as useless as believeing in Santa Claus when we are not the dominant economy. With the US government, Mainstream Media, and Gov’t-run education systems firmly in the hands of ‘progressives’, I see no possibility of the USA maintaining the high standard of living we have enjoyed throughout my lifetime.
Most of the Chinese gov’t functionaries who now plan their economy are engineers and businessmen… not lawyers or Commie idealogues. They are not dependent on pandering to the lowest common denominators in their society to get re-elected the way the Democrats and RINOs do. IN that sense they are on to something.
If US courts had historically upheld our constitution, we would not be in this position, but the very safeguards that protected our national productivity have been trampled by every scheme to ‘spread the wealth’ through taxes and restrictions on private industry. We must return to state’s rights & dump the Feds
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on May 9, 2011 at 10:19amEnuff Zenuff
I agree with what you said. I’m just pointing out the fact that they are able to do these things primarily because they treat their workers like utter peons.
Our country, rather than standing up for what’s right, is looking at China as the new economic model, and that essentially means that instead of challenging China and rebuking it about it’s human rights violations, it is virtually swept under the rug, and our government intends to try to compete with China by treating us the same way they treat their citizens, which is population control, serfdom/ peonage/ peasantry.
This is the statement, “Our currency is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States Treasury”, which means “Our debtors have the word of the US Treasury that the IRS and FED (unconstituional 4th branch of government) will, through their frontmen in the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches, extract the payment of our debt through FORCED LABOR from our citizens.”
EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THIS. THE DEBT CANNOT BE PAID.
WE ARE HEADED INTO SLAVERY.
They’re gonna try to confiscate everything we have for compensation, and it is not going to be enough. They will force us into concentration camps, kill a lot of us, and basically it’s over. Get your guns and food and stuff in order, and get ready. I think I speak for America when I say WE AIN’T GOIN BACK INTO SLAVERY. I’m black. They’re gonna have to kill me.
Report Post »Enuff Zenuff
Posted on May 10, 2011 at 4:23am.
@Sinista MACE
Interesting theory. I cannot disagree with the principle of what you are saying – I just haven’t seen the FEMA camps, etc.
I do agree whole-heartedly that working Americans are being enslaved, but I see it as enslavement of the taxpayers by the Progressives – who use ‘other people’s money’ to buy their own re-elections. They believe “the rich” have an endless supply of wealth because Progressives have no concept of how wealth is actually created or they wouldn‘t do so much to impede it’s creation.
I’ve read that 47% of the American population will pay ZERO income tax this year – which amounts to the enslavement of the other half of the population who have to provide all their services.
Interestingly the same Democrat party that was behind the slavery in the deep South 100+ years ago is the same Democrat party that supports the enslavement of working Americans today. Despite all their protestations of wanting to ‘help’ the poor, the truth is the Democrats only care about being re-elected no matter how much harm they do to the country (and especially to the poor!)
The idea of work/re-education camps for anyone who resists is a natural part of any dictatorship. This is understood by anyone who’s studied history. Enslavement takes many forms but all of them are the natural result of every form of government other than the Capitalist system set up by our founding fathers.
Those who rail against capitalism are clueless about th
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