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Chris Christie Tussles With ‘Morning Joe’ Panel Over Gay Marriage Veto

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie didn’t give an inch today on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” when he was pressed on vetoing a gay marriage legalization bill in his state. Additionally, he threw a number of rhetorical punches while responding to his critics.

Chris Christie Throws Down Over Gay Marriage Veto With Morning Joe Table

When Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart appeared onscreen and tried to tear into Christie over the veto, the governor was ready to take him on.

Christie immediately pointed out that President Barack Obama has gone to great lengths to avoid taking a principled stance on gay marriage.

“Let’s have the president have some courage, come on camera and state his position — he won’t, he wants to have it both ways. I vetoed the bill, that’s my position,” Christie said, drawing a stark juxtaposition between himself and the commander-in-chief on the issue.

Christie then clarified his justification for vetoing the New Jersey state legislature bill, saying, ”If majority want it, prove it — put it on the ballot. At least I’m standing up for what I believe in.”

Christie continued to hammer the president’s position on same sex marriage, while Capeheart offered the following in Obama’s defense:

“He’s evolving on the issue.”

This caused an uproar of laughter and yelling on the “Morning Joe” set. Christie could be heard shouting over the din that “this is the sort of political cowardice that we don’t want.”

Capeheart tried to extrapolate on his defense of Obama’s position by stating that the Justice Department currently refuses to enforce the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA), but Christie remained unpersuaded by this point.

The conversation at the “Morning Joe” table then shifted to the comparison that some were making between the Civil Rights movement and gay marriage. Both Christie and host Joe Scarborough clearly found the comparison faulty.

Things got even more heated from there, with a lot of talking over one another, but Governor Christie remained resolute and, of course, audible throughout.

Watch the clip of this fiery exchange below, courtesy of MSNBC:

(H/T: Mediaite)

Comments (150)

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  • Baikonur
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:13pm

    Gay marriage, contraception, abortion, ‘Satan’ –why are the Republicans self-destructing by talking about these issues instead of about jobs and the economy?

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    • joe conservative
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:29pm

      I agree with that, but that was pretty good. Chris Christie needs to put together a greatest hits video. He’s the gift that keeps on giving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1oDqfTl3KA

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    • Bowlz
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:31pm

      The R’s are trying to talk about the important issues while the elite media want to talk about bs.

      Christie is great. He knows who he is and is comfortable in his own skin; even during conflict. He makes many of the week kneed leftists look like the children they are. He was the adult in the room.

      Joe is a joke anyway, and Christie let him have it. Favorite Spinners song?????????? *****

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:31pm

      Spare us the piety BAIKONUR…don’t worry about any “self-destructing” by the GOP. You should be more worred about your beloved EU socialist experiment self-destructing as we speak.

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:51pm

      You make good points. I guess the answer is they are being led away by the MSM from talking about issues that would be injurious to the present Administration.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:03pm

      PAPERPUSHERMJ….the press is encouraging the current “religion and contraceptives” meme in the hopes that it will make independents and undecides gravitate towards Obama. It’s an attempt to paint conservatives as fundamentalists, radical and not moderate. This along with the current bloodletting between GOP candidates is being used by the media to smear the GOP. Look at the idiot BAIKONUR’s Media Matters rote he offered for evidence of that. This is what they want people talking about, not Obama’s abysmal record. However, once there is a nominee I assure you conservatives will get behind him and Obama‘s approval numbers will drop back down to the weak levels we’ve seen for months now. Obama will be forced to begin accounting for himself and his dismal record, regardless of a compliant media willing to go to any lengths to save him. I’m very confident about it.

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    • Crush_Liberalism
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:04pm

      Well, they WANT to talk about them…you left wingers don’t want that. Santorum is asked about contraception, and he explicitly said that he wanted to talk about what Americans cared about. It is the LEFT keeping the topics in the front because this administration has nothing to stand on. As for “self destruct”, says Y-O-U. While the media WANTS this to damage the party, people like you who SAY that it is does not make it a reality. Most people know the positions of conservatives. It isn’t a freaking secret. It is Obama who hides from them. The GOP wants to talk about the economy and about the Middle East. The Left is doing everything they can to keep the focus on this type of stuff, then they want to manufacture artificial outrage at the GOP for talking about it. It was on “Morning Joe” for crying out loud. That is MSBC…not the GOP. Good grief.

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    • marjorie faye
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:04pm

      Because those issues are causing the nation to self-destruct.

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    • BrianSTC
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:52pm

      Open your eyes! The USA is self destructing. Lack of morality is at the heart of it. It used to be such a great country but is on the verge of collapse now. The USA was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics…you can’t just sweep that under the rug. You take out the foundation, then the whole structure will collapse. If the USA doesn’t reverse course then in 200 years it will be a footnote in history.

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    • MS-GlenNBC
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:56pm

      http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/22/ann-coulter-to-campaign-for-democratic-presidential-candidate-randall-terry/

      Ann Coulter ……. Glenn’s new friend since she makes fun of Newt… Good pick Glenn.

      Lets listen to your boy… the Bishop

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHaMqHh5NZ4

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    • Gates
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:37pm

      Best segment I’ve ever seen that eposes Joe for who he really is! Talk about a Trojan Horse!!!!! Joe is the worst of the worst!

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    • midwesthippie
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 7:44pm

      …this is an easy one. the media are pulling the independents away from the (R) party. what started off in the right direction (TEA) in order to bring the independent towards the (R)’s is quickly turning into a culture-social-religious battle…which turns off independents.

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    • MCDAVE
      Posted on February 24, 2012 at 12:30am

      Christie seems to have a much needed talent,the ability to respond well to the attacks of the liberal media…I think he understands the concept of the silent majority and has the guts to represent us

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    • BeHeardAmerica
      Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:10am

      MSNBC passive idiots. Gays can go create there own institution for there unions let marriage continue to stay ours. In a nutshell the whole problem with liberals is they want boy scouts to let girls join when many things by design are made for certain groups of people. MARRIAGE IS FOR 1 MAN AND 1 WOMAN. (period) BONEHEADS

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    • midwesthippie
      Posted on February 24, 2012 at 7:23am

      …i didn’t know that little gay black dudes could give birth to children…that was very educational

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:50pm

      I didn’t know that we were allowed to use the word “evolving” when talking about a black person?

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    • Gumbercules
      Posted on February 25, 2012 at 6:26am

      @The-Monk

      You nailed it!

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  • paperpushermj
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:53pm

    Lets cut through all the equivalency B.. S,, Communitiees establish all types of criteria for all types of Licensing. Want to be a Barber, find out what the criteria is then meet them to get your License same thing goes for getting your pilots License. My point is that a Community has the right to establish all types of criteria some of which is competency based some physical and in the case of getting a Marriage license Two and only two people of the opposite Sex qualify to get a Marriage Licenses.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:14pm

      during the last election, Obama unequivocally stated that he does not support gay marriage.

      this is hilarious how the MSM runs interference for Obama. they know when he lies and just getting votes, and they are fine with it.

      They knew in the last election what Obama claimed to be a Christian that he was lying.

      they knew when he stated that he was not for gay marriage that he was lying.

      Once in office, the just claim he is evolving. some call that lying, or flip flopping, but it does not count when you are a democrap.

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    • paperpushermj
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:15pm

      PS
      To all those that insist that two Men or three Women or any combination their of, be Abel to marry might I suggest the best course of action for you is to get Government out of the Granting Marriage License Business. This is a course of Action that ruffles as few feathers as possible and is superior to forcing others to your way thinking. Its just the smart way that should have been your first course of action but instead you choose the sledge hammer approach. And look what it got you

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:34pm

      Marriage isn’t a right. It’s a status recognized by state and federal bodies. There’s no sane reason to put an OK stamp on an aberration of the human sexual psyche and thereby overturn tax laws and legal precedents to accomodate it.

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    • jkendal
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:45pm

      Marriage is not a right, civil or otherwise. Last time I checked it wasn’t listed anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It isn’t about equal rights, either – there isn’t a single right under the Constitution that gays are being denied that everyone else has. No, what this has always been about is special rights that will apply only to gays and no one else. Talk about turning equal protection under the law on its head. And it’s all based on who they choose to have sex with. Also, they‘ll use it to destroy the First Amendment’s GUARANTEE of freedom of religion by going after churches that refuse to marry two people of the same gender – even though churches now have a right to refuse to marry heterosexual couples for a list of reasons.

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    • ZeitgeistBuster
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:54pm

      If society is bent on self-destructing, then the institution of government enacting laws against a wrong headed society will not stop them, any more than you can stop a stampede of buffalo by standing in front of it and yelling that there is a cliff ahead.

      Sometimes people have to experience cause and effect to realize how bad or how good their decisions are.

      And Marriage is just ONE of the foundations of our society that is being dynamited before our eyes. In the same crucible are Capitalism, Religion, Parenthood, Independence, Self-governance and so on.

      A cohesive society that is balanced and appreciates the benefits of these institutions enough to protect them from corruption and to invest in teaching the next generation to be good care-takers of these institutions as a precious heritage is the only guarantee of their survival. The law by itself is an inadequate barrier to a society bent on throwing away its heritage just like the levees in New Orleans that proved inadequate to withstand the storm surge that hit them.

      PAPERPUSHERMJ has a point about the government getting out of the marriage business altogether.

      As for me, my stand is to say what Joshua told the Israelites who passed over the Jordan river after being rescued time and again by God, “As for me and my household, we will obey and serve the LORD.”

      Use the horrible effects of people’s bad decisions around you to help teach your kids what is true and right.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:57pm

      JKENDAL…make no mistake..that’s exactly what homosexuals will do if granted federal recognition of their fantasy of marriage. Any institution or enterprise that refuses to participate in that fantasy afterwards will be litigated against…including churches. They will cite “discrimination” once they’ve got a foothold. You have to bear in mind…religion is something homosexuals would like to see erased from the landscape anyway.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:22pm

      AvengerK

      well stated. Thus the reason the left stays in bed with them so much. Anything to help get rid of the guns and Bibles moves in the direction they desire

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  • blackstone22
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:50pm

    Chris Christie was fantastic in this clip surrounded by a bunch a blowhards. Jonathan Capehart came off like an arrogant, sanctimonius twit plus his whole look with the glasses is such a caricature, right out of central casting, so cliched. People may be for or against gay marriage, but many who oppose gay “Marriage” support civil unions, which gives gay couples rights under the law without redefining marriage, so please don’t equate it with the civil rights movement, it makes my hair hurt when that argument is used.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:04pm

      They would have preferred he just voted “PRESENT” like obama did, does, and will continue to do.
      obama doesn’t touch the hot topics. He tells people he will support them, then he ignores the issue. Then, when he needs MONEY, he has his henchmen go out and abuse POLICY to effect the change, bypassing Congress, and keeping his hands clean – or so he thinks!

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    • Bill Burns
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:51pm

      Well said BLACKSTONE.

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    • Gates
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:41pm

      Where the hell did Jonathon Capeheart come up with his name?

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  • Bronco Guy
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:38pm

    I love governor Christie, but even he falls short of just standing up and saying the truth. Here is why this issue continues to trail every political campaign like hanging barnacles on a ship: No one will have the guts to finally and forever cut off the LGBT agenda at its talking points. Here would be governor Christie‘s or any politicians’ strongest response: “Gay marriage is NOT a civil right. In order to make this a civil right you have to downgrade and decimate the definition of marriage. You cannot elevate gay marriage to make it equal with traditional marriage, you have to dilute the true meaning of and reason for marriage between a man and woman in order to bring it down to a common denominator that will include gay marriage. And I‘m not going to sit in the governor’s chair and be bullied by less than 5% of the population just to get their unholy perversion of marriage on equal footing with traditional marriage. And you can all stop calling me a bigot or intolerant and telling me I can’t legislate morality. Because let me tell you something, SOMEBODY’S MORALITY IS GETTING LEGISLATED! And it is just as bigoted and intolerant to jump in my face and defame traditional marriage. Be gay all you want! Sleep with whomever you want. The government should stay out of the bedroom!!! So don’t come crying to me asking me TO GET IN YOUR BEDROOM and overturn traditional law to legitimize your sexual preferences.” If only someone in power would be brave enough to say

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  • MCGIRV
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:36pm

    Morning Joe is a duplicitous two headed ********!

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  • tmplarnite
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:33pm

    Another black fool supporting the POS in the white house because he’s black!

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  • TheRugger
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:23pm

    President Obama (and I believe AG Holder) put their hands on a Bible and swore a sacred oath to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States”. That includes all the Constitutional laws of the land. President Obama ordered AG Holders‘ ’Justice’ Department to not enforce the DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act), and Holder obeyed this illegal order without even a whimper. That should be grounds for the removal from office of both of them. As President and/or AG of the United States you don’t get to pick and choose which laws you will enforce. You are bound by law, custom and the sacred oath you took to enforce ALL laws equally, without fear or favor.

    If a Republican President or AG announced that they were not going to enforce even a parking law in DC the lamestream media would go off their brains for weeks and it would be brought up at least once a week and every other chance they had for then rest of his term in office. You would see 3-hour “specials” about how the failure to enforce parking laws in DC affected the poor and homeless every month or so. The Democrats in Congress would hold hearings into it and threaten impeachment with every other breath.

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    • SouthSideLib
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:43pm

      Because DOMA is unconstitutional…also there is a little thing in the constitution called the full faith and credit clause, you should look into that

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    • jens63
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:58pm

      You may recall that the oath of office was flubbed in public, seemed minor at the time, but they thought important enough to redo it inside after the public ceremony. I believe it was said the bible was not used in the second oath…yes, here it is from wikipedia….
      “Roberts agreed to re-administer the oath at the request of White House counsel. The second oath ceremony took place on the evening of January 21, 2009 in the Map Room of the White House before a small audience of presidential aides, reporters and a White House photographer.[99] According to White House counsel Greg Craig, the presidential oath was re-administered out of an abundance of caution over concerns about the legality of the oath as it was administered by Roberts on Inauguration Day. Craig added that “the oath of office was administered effectively and … the President was sworn in appropriately … But the oath appears in the Constitution itself.”[106] No Bible was present during the retake of the inauguration, which aroused some criticism”

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    • afhveteran
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:29pm

      Yeah but on the other hand they had their fingers crossed so they’re exempt from ACTUALLY upholding Constistional law. So shame on us huh?

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:56pm

      jens63
      I think it’s about time to let go of this non-issue. The Constitution does not require the use of a Bible. The oath he took in the afternoon with his hand on the Bible differed only in letter, not in substance, from the exact words as prescribed by the Constitution. Between the two, I think we should all accept Mr. Obama as fully and properly sworn in.

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  • LouC57
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:18pm

    No problem with a civil union with the same rights as Holy matrimony, but not “marriage” IMO. But then, how does marriage equality square with procreation? Guess it doesn’t. I‘m afraid this issue’s going the Roe v Wade route and no answer will satisfy everyone. Again, I’m confused by this issue. Drat!

    I like Harold, he used to show up on Fox for a long time, then poofed. Seemed a decent fellow.

    Christie is THE man!

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    • GeorgieJo
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:22pm

      Capehart is NOT a LAWYER
      What a whiny loser he is
      Even Meeka laughed at him

      OMG 2012

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    • Jackie Rogers, Jr.
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:27pm

      Well if the issue is procreation, how does marriage where one or both participants have voluntarily undergone surgical procedures which render them sterile for the sole purpose of not having children jive with that?

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    • sdarbro
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:47pm

      Jackie:

      Because they COULD procreate, because the pieces are compatible if you know what I am driving at. because the entire extent of intimacy isn’t solely oral or elsewise.

      What are you suggesting? That emotions alone legitimize marriages? Whoever or whatever you ‘love’ should be ok to fall under the notion of marriage?

      How about making a separate category for gay marriage? gay-rriage? I would be happy with that.

      but, yeah, procreation is kinda key to the whole marriage thing.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:59pm

      SDARBRO — If “procreation” is key to marriage, does that mean that people who cannot, for any reason, “procreate” be excluded from marriage? Would this include people past child-bearing ages? Women past menopause? What about someone who had an accident that damaged their reproductive organs in a way that makes it impossible to create a child?? Should these people, because they CANNOT EVER procreate, be excluded from marriage?

      Is the soul purpose of marriage procreation? Or is it something else?

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:24pm

      TMARENDS…over 55% of the cases of HIV each year in this country are by homosexuals. Homosexual makes up less than 2% of the population, that’s an overrepresention of 2,750%. As you can see, the evidence is stark and undeniable. Clearly, the sexual practices that male homosexuals are compelled to pursue are counter to the well being of the human species. I’m not even mentioning the constant outbreaks of syphillis and gonorrhea that breakout regularly among male homosexuals.
      For homosexuals to “procreate”…well.. they can’t while being strict homosexuals. They must always use a third party. This is not due to infertility, it’s due to sexual incompatibility. Please…don‘t insult anyone’s intelligence by suggesting that heterosexual couples who either choose to outright adopt or cannot procreate due to dangers to one of the parents or infertility are in any way similar to homosexuals. You’re trying to equate the deadend of homosexuality to the random unfortunate state of infertility in some people, an absolutely absurd position for you to take. Make no mistake we are compelled to couple as a species because it’s our imprinted instinct to procreate. We have been this way for millenia, because quite simply, no other way works effectively. Homosexuals have sex, they penetrate each other in mimickry of what our instincts compell us to do to procreate, but cannot procreate themselves. Homosexuality is a dead end. Is this lost on you?

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    • tmarends
      Posted on February 24, 2012 at 12:24pm

      @AVENGERK

      I asked what the purpose of marriage is… if you do not know, that is fine. Going on a rant against homosexuality does not answer that question.

      So I ask again… What is the purpose of marriage?

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  • Manchurian.Candidate
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:16pm

    Gov. Christie is an extremely talented, highly intelligent, LIAR and BULLY. He thinks he‘s above everyone else but it’s his bloated ego and arrogance that will do him in in the end.
    “I used to be a Prosecutor”. BFD Fat Boy! Like that’s supposed to impress me. All it tells me is that you have a great big chip on your shoulder and that you like to throw your morbidly obese carcass around.

    The Bigger they are, the harder they fall.

    He’s the Gov. of NEW JERSEY for Christ’s sake!
    The most corrupt state in the union! If anyone thinks Christie doesn’t have his hand in the cookie jar, they are delusional. They’re ALL Crooks and Liars. Every last one of them.

    And who cares if Gay people marry? So what? Is it hurting anyone? I don’t think so. I could care less. Why are people so afraid of this idea. Unless of course you’re one of those Dyed in the Wool, Fanatical, Ho-Mo-Phobic Christian Fundies that is afraid of EVERYTHING. Then of course, I understand.

    Have a nice day. :-)

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:28pm

      Despite what Glenn Beck says, you can’t argue with idiots.

      You have a good one too! :-)

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    • True American66
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:35pm

      To address your last paragraph….Do you have any idea why America WORKS? America works because we have a moral culture. We believe in a particular set of values. Marriage is the underpinning of our society. If you make marriage a free for all, you undermind the fabric of our society. Would you prefer that America has no moral system?…no value system?

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    • Steven63
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:36pm

      Listen, Lefty. Your pathetic. You go off the deep end when anybody on the right uses descriptive phrases you don’t like about people you agree with; you label us bigots…homophobic…racist. But when Christy becomes the subject you can’t find enough adjectives to describe his large frame. You and your left progressive buddies, are a sick crowd.

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    • major11
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:37pm

      Go back to the philosophy & words expressed by the Founders. They would gag on your secular world view.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:36pm

      Did you pout and stamp your foot while you typed that drivel MANCHURIAN CUR?

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    • marjorie faye
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:32pm

      Yes, it harms the people who practice it. Male homosexuals do not practice what is practiced in traditional marriage. Traditional marriage has the expectation of sexual fidelity. That is NOT the desire of male homosexuals in general. Studies show they are generally highly promiscuous, some having 100s of sex partners in a lifetime, and generally not requiring sexual fidelity of one another even in committed relationships. Futhermore, their practices make them extremely prone to contagious diseases and other medical issues, including cancer, that often shorten their lives. None of this is good for society and only a really stupid society condones it and celebrates it. They are 2 percent of the population.

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  • Beatrice
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:13pm

    As a Conservative, I have reservations regarding Romney; however, if Chris Christie was chosen for VP and he accepted, I would thence reconsider my current reticence.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:41pm

      With a Romney/Christie ticket you might as well be voting Democrat…

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    • JAMACAMECRAZYMAN
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:53pm

      Can you even imagine having an intelligent Vice President that can complete sentences and converse above a kindergarten level?

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  • barackem
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:11pm

    I’ve never seen a civil right that has anything to do with a lifestyle. I’ve sure never seen a civil right that only applies to only certain lifestyles. It would be like saying that Hispanics have civil rights but blacks don’t. Marriage is defined by the public acceptance. It is not a universal right or mothers could marry their adult children. Why should a bisexual be limited to on;y one partner of only one sex? Why should a person have to choose a monogamous marriage instead of a marriage to his commune or his garden club? Why shouldn‘t Lars be able to marry his doll if that is what floats his boat just because his particular minority isn’t as widespread or his lobby isn’t as well financed?

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  • Jackie Rogers, Jr.
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:07pm

    If a hermaphrodite married another hermaphrodite, would that be a same sex marriage?

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:06pm

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    Christie has the same posistion as Obama. Bent Over! RINO……

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  • Anonymous T. Irrelevant
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:05pm

    “He’s evolving on the issue.”
    ———————————————————
    Yeah, that’s what I should have told my dad, when he told me to mow the lawn, “I’m evolving on the issue.” Obama is doing nothing, he is one of the laziest presidents we’ve ever had.

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on February 24, 2012 at 6:51pm

      I didn’t know that we were allowed to use the word “evolving” when talking about a black person? Oh, that’s right, it was another black person who said it. Just like the n word.

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  • formidable_foe
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:58pm

    Kudos to Christie for going in front of the wolves and defending his position. What I’d like to see is MSNBC or CNN interviewing a Muslim on their thoughts about gay marriage. We’ll never see that one.

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  • vaman
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:53pm

    The only people that should care about gay marriage are gay people…who want to get married. It does not affect anyone else. Prejudice and small minds seem to filter in to the conversation, always spouting off some biblical verse denouncing gay marriage or the argument “it’s always been this way” or some other child like explanation. Always remember to question the intelligence and sanity of anyone that wants to set 21st century social policy based on a book of myths cobbled together during the Bronze age.

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    • formidable_foe
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:06pm

      @Vaman vomit
      You have so many absurd assertions, where does one begin? The saying “I won’t dignify your comment with a response” comes to mind. Yeah… that seems to fit best. I think my breath would be wasted otherwise anyway.

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    • CMDR6
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:17pm

      VMAN, funny how you think it is ok for gays to enter marriage….where did marriage come from? Humanism? Paganism? Oh, it came from a book of myths wriiten in the Bronze age! (Bible) Why do these freaks want what God set up and intended for a man and a woman? Absolutely hypocritical at best, and evil at its worst.

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    • eric6161
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:23pm

      It’s amazing how much hatred the anti-God forces are filled with. Jesus has already defeated you people and your leader long ago… I suppose that‘s the reason for your hatefulness but I suppose that’s a normal reaction to have when you aren’t on the side of love and mercy.
      One day when the Spirit moves you again… and the Spirit will continue to… remember that Satan is the father of lies, Jesus has defeated him, and all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior… and you’ll be transformed.
      Many of us were just like you when we were young and naive… but change can and will happen when you open yourself up to the love of Jesus Christ.

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    • sdarbro
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:54pm

      It’s one thing if, after a few beverages, you and your wife decide to try something a little kinky or wild. It’s another thing if that is the only avenue of intimacy you can have due to incompatible parts. Do you see what I am saying? One is the key to procreation, the other is just a kinky preference. Are we to redefine centuries-old traditions for the few and the kinky?

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  • Kankokage
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:53pm

    There is no comparison whatsoever between the Civil Rights movement and the gay marriage debate. Why?

    If homosexuality is a choice, then homosexuals are not entitled to any special treatment or exclusive rights by law. Claiming the usurpation of an institution or rights of others because of personal choices is unconstitutional and morally wrong. Being black or white is not a choice.

    If homosexuality is a biological disorder (i.e. ‘born this way’), it must be recognized as a disability as it effectively removes a person from the natural gene pool, thereby preventing them from being a normal human organism in the strictest definition. In this case homosexuals would be protected under disability law, which already exists and would be simple to amend. Being black or white is not a disability.

    However, there is still the simple definition of marriage: man and woman (or women, historically). This marriage is an institution based on the normal, biological reproductive power of the human species, designed to responsibly propagate the species and ensure the successful life of offspring. Homosexuals cannot naturally reproduce, and as such the institution of marriage does not apply. In the matters of civil allowances (taxes, hospital visits, etc), homosexuality should not be a stumbling block, particularly if said homosexuality is biological and not chosen.

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    • Smokey_Bojangles
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:13pm

      So Homosexuality is either a perversion or like Downs Syndrome.Simple Theory.Think t will fly Wilbur?

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:20pm

      A little too simplistic a response there, bro. By your statement, you must think not having a foot is the same as having Down’s Syndrome. Evolution-wise and biologically, it is a disability. That is just from the science side of it. Note I didn’t bring up religion once, except perhaps indirectly. Read through and think before throwing out a response.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:49pm

      Found the gay gene yet?

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    • sdarbro
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:58pm

      KANKOKAGE just rocked it! Bam! with panache, too!

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    • tmarends
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:05pm

      So should straight people who CANNOT reproduce, for any reason, be excluded from marriage? Women past menopause? Elder couples past child-bearing age? Someone involved in an accident making it impossible to reproduce? Should we also keep these people from marriage?

      Is the purpose of marriage procreation, or is it something else?

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    • Kankokage
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 5:14pm

      I said marriage was “based” on the power of human reproduction, not limited to. Furthermore, the purpose of marriage includes improving the life of offspring in general. This gets to the real, deep, important aspect of marriage: the family structure. Biology, not religion, is what specifies the family – a father, a mother, and children. It is important to note that the child does not need to come from either of the parents via adoption, but what is important is the presence of father and mother. I don’t have to delve into the numerous studies and statistics showing the improvement in all aspects of life when this family structure is maintained. Marriage is intended to preserve and protect this family structure as long as possible.

      But that brings up your question: what about people who, for some reason or another, can’t reproduce? Infertility, menopause, old age, etc can prevent child-rearing. Well, let’s revisit the concept of a family. Indeed, a father and a mother are needed to raise children, but children leave and raise families of their own. The husband and wife, with commitment to each other, is more important than the presence of children. Furthermore, the influence of husband and wife isn’t limited to their own microcosm, but to the entire sphere of human interaction. Again, I don’t think I need to expound upon the benefits of faithful marriage on a society.

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    • Wilma
      Posted on February 24, 2012 at 9:37am

      @ Walkabout, the gay gene is located next to the IQ gene.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on February 24, 2012 at 12:21pm

      So the commitment two people make, and keep, to each other is what makes a marriage?

      Are there legitimate families that do not include both a father and a mother and children?

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  • Eric_The_Red_State
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:50pm

    I bet we see this news in the near future.

    “Obama offers $50 per vote in the 2012 election”

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  • cemerius
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:39pm

    Capeheart tried to extrapolate on his defense of Obama’s position by stating that the Justice Department currently refuses to enforce the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA), but Christie remained unpersuaded by this point.

    You mean the “law of the land” you mean the law ratified by both houses and signed into law by a POTUS? You mean that law that this wanna be dictator arbitrarilly REFUSED to enforce? Yeah keep thinking all your good thoughts on this blank slate of a human/man that calls himself today Barrack Hussein Obama…..he is a chameleon for emotions and the liberals believe he IS whatever they believe he is NOT what he actually is!!

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  • LiberalMarine
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:38pm

    While I disagree with him on the issue, it’s interesting to me that people are upset he vetoed the bill. Did he ever say he was for marriage equality? It’s the same as the people realizing they might not like their GOP governors for doing exactly what they said they would do.

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    • SoupSandwich
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:46pm

      @Oxymoron
      Moron. Skip the oxy. Marriage equality? Procreation equality is what? Poofers and bulldykes procreate how again? Skip the LGBLT talking points and hold the mayo, but what the Obama are you even trying to talk about? You are a buddyObama. That ring any bells, you MotherObama. GoatObama-er.

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:47pm

      Marriage equality would mean any consending adults could marry. That’s equality if 1 guy and 4 women want to marry or if 5 women wanted to marry they could. Equality would only require that all involved be consending adults. Fine by me remove change the tax code to only individual only and removing all child exemptions and get the government out of the marriage business. How ever religious institutions can be forced to proform they marriage sif they are contrary to their beliefs.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:56pm

      @liberalfake,
      What is “marriage equality”? Does that mean someone else’s rights and beliefs are trampled? Please tell me how marriage is a “right”. Please explain why government should [even] be involved?

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:03pm

      @Cessna

      When your beliefs are based on a book written 2000 years ago and only refers to homosexuality a couple times, then I don’t have a problem with people not necessarily respecting them when it comes to legislation. But until the government is not out of marriage no two consenting adults should be discriminated against.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:07pm

      Marriage equality? Most gays want that so they can be accepted. Well it ain’t happening. Avert.org says that an estimated 255,000 gays have HIV. Huffpo says that a survey estimates there are 4 million LGBT in the U.S. So about 6.*% of the gay population has HIV. What a lifestyle! Why should society legitimize a poor, dysfunctional way of living?

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    • cessna152
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:13pm

      @Liberalfake

      Who is being discriminated against? The person who believes is it wrong yet forced to accept it or the person who does not care what others think and force them to accept it? I have been tolerant to the point of being spat upon, bank account compromised, shunned, sent hate mail and threatened. Is that “tolerance”? Because I have fed and counseled gays, helped and even supported….until it was forced on my child. Who is wrong? Who is intolerant? BTW, the administration you support, supports regimes that hang and murder gays. You support them, Yet you bash Christianity…why? If you read through history all atrocities were stopped by Christians that gave up their lives for: Witches, Slaves, gays, the poor, the sick and so forth. If you are who you say you are, then you would realize this. After reading your many posts I believe you to be a fraud.

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    • Faith1029
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:17pm

      LIBERALMARINE: “When your beliefs are based on a book written 2000 years ago and only refers to homosexuality a couple times, then I don’t have a problem with people not necessarily respecting them when it comes to legislation”

      Perhaps you should read about Sodom and Gomorrah. 2000 years or 2 million years……

      ……Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:17pm

      The same reason the underage pregnancy rates are higher in areas that only teach abstinence, when there is no education about something (HIV/AIDS was a taboo subject for a long time, so it had a lot of time to spread to people from all walks of life) people don’t understand how to be safe. Why should we legitimize a belief system that teaches that some people are better than someone else who is just trying to live their life? I’ve known I was straight my whole life, just as my gay friends knew they were gay their whole life, why should we have to live our lives any differently?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:18pm

      LiberalMarine
      “When your beliefs are based on a book written 2000 years ago ”

      Archimedes principle was written in a book (or scroll) 2,000 years ago or so. It can be summed in a a sentence or two. That doesn’t make it any less true than if it were written in a billion books

      You missed your talking points. The memo said you should write a “dusty 2,000 year old book”. You forgot the word “dusty”. Don’t be surprised if all your gay fiends shun you for not following the talking points verbatim, LOL.

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    • LiberalMarine
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:23pm

      @Cessna

      I‘m not going to lie and say that there aren’t people who are wrong on both sides of some issues. I don’t agree with the glitter bombers, but the HRC is something I can whole heartedly support. When a group of people is consistently demonized then you don’t think they will act out against the people demonizing them?

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:39pm

      ” when there is no education about something (HIV/AIDS”

      Avert.org says there is awareness of HIV is decreasing among the young. Yet, government & private groups spend so much money on education. Blaming the spread of HIV on ignorance. There is some of that 7 there is a lot of willfulness too.

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    • sdarbro
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:06pm

      LIberalmarine:

      are you talking about pedophiles being demonized or child pornographers? Cause I am guilty of demonizing both. You are right that they might become frustrated with my demonizing.

      Are you suggesting that every sub-category of our culture should be given equal consideration? As tidy as you may make gay sound, it is kinda filthy in it’s practice, and, as stated above, it signals the end of a particular gene pool. So while it might be natural, it is far from healthy.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:38pm

      Pity for you though LIBERALMARINE….“our creator” is invoked in the declaration of independence. Yes..he’s the guy from that “2000 year old book” you have a problem with.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:45pm

      SDARBRO….LIBERALMARINE likes to spout about “2000 year old books” but he’s bought into a fairy tale (excuse the pun) himself. He genuinely believes that less that 2% of the population- which reflects an aberration of the human sexual psyche- deserve to have their fantasies of normalcy fulfilled. By all means if he can point to any genetic pointer to homosexuality I’m happy to review it….good luck.

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  • Smokey_Bojangles
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:31pm

    Mr. Christie .It is fine that you vetoed the bill.That is how a Republic works…..Not by Referendum! You act more like a democrat every week!

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  • RightMeansRight2
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:28pm

    I Love Chris Christie, wish he was running for President.

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  • sWampy
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:27pm

    Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. That goes for civilizations also, if we don’t look at what caused great civilizations of the past to fail, we will follow their lead and fail also.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:26pm

    Christie sure spends a lot of time on cable news. Does he want to govern or get his own show?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:39pm

      He is becoming a household name…Probably has some future plans…

      I like Christie, I respect the man for who he is…However…the label RINO is so misused and thrown around in here, but it accurately defines Christie. His “New England” style republicianism would turn most “flyover state” party members off once they learn the specifics of his platform and beliefs. He is a good man and a vocal critic of the Obama admin, but he is definitely not far right…

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    • Chet Hempstead
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 4:57pm

      He’s just gotten addicted to the snack platters in the green room.

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  • cessna152
    Posted on February 23, 2012 at 1:24pm

    I live in NJ:
    -Highest property taxes.
    - 6% state INCOME tax
    -7% sales tax
    -Union corruption
    -Unconstitutional 2A laws
    -Highest (3rd) car insurance.

    I can go on and on and these freaking liberals are worried about “same sex marriage”? Stop defending yourself and put the blame on them for failed policies!!!!!

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    • team1blazer
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 2:13pm

      And he’s the first Republican governor of NJ in how many years? Don’t be a moron. He’s on the right track to bring this state back from the brink…it’s not going to happen over night.

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    • Mateytwo Barreett
      Posted on February 23, 2012 at 3:54pm

      Where the hellwere you 2 years ago? Being just a little impatient, aincha?

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