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Christian College Invites Frances Fox Piven to Speak to Students & Faculty

Liberal Professor Frances Fox Piven to Speak at Messiah College

Earlier today, Blaze reporter Jon Seidl brought you Frances Fox Piven’s awkward Days of Rage Wall Street speech, during which she called bankers ”thieves,“ ”cannibals,“ and the ”big problem.” Piven, who has been the focus of conservative angst over her far-left positioning on a variety of issues, is scheduled to appear at Messiah College on October 11, 2011.

The college, which is a Christian higher education facility, is located in Grantham, Pennsylvania. Currently Piven‘s appearance is promoted on the college’s web site, which describes the leftwing academic as follows:

“Distinguished Professor of Political Science and Sociology at the Graduate School and University Center of the City University of New York.”

What this description leaves out, of course, is her radical nature and the continued push she has made for a nation-wide embrace of extreme leftist values.

One concerned Blaze reader reached out to the college, expressing her displeasure and requesting to know why Piven was invited to address students and faculty. The reader received the following response, which she shared with the Blaze, from Peter Kerry Powers, Dean of the School of Humanities at Messiah College:

Thank you for your e-mail dated 29 September 2011 expressing your concern about the upcoming American Democracy Lecture featuring Frances Fox Piven.  I want to assure you that in inviting speakers to campus, the College does not endorse the ideas or opinions expressed but views them as an educational opportunity. The College takes care to provide a context in which students, faculty, and the general public will be able to reflect critically on ideas and opinions that are put forward.  We do this so our students and others may be better positioned to serve Christ and the world in which they live, spurring them on to maturity of intellect, character and Christian faith as is required by our stated mission.

There can, of course, be legitimate disagreements about how the college ought to pursue that mission, so we appreciate your point of view.  I would encourage you and other interested members of the general public to attend the lecture on Tuesday, October 11th, as well as the talkback session with a faculty panel on Wednesday afternoon so that your views on her lecture can be part of our discussion.

An e-mail is all too limited a venue to pursue conversations about the challenging but rewarding task of educating students in an institution of Christian higher education.  I have attached a letter to provide a fuller picture of my view of Frances Fox Piven’s lecture for your review. I have also attached an FAQ file that provides further background.  In addition, if you would care to speak with me personally regarding the event, I will be very happy to speak with you at a time of mutual convenience.

Liberal Professor Frances Fox Piven to Speak at Messiah CollegeThis response provides a rationale for why this event is happening, while opening the door to discussion surrounding how these events are organized. It’s not uncommon for colleges — even Christian educational facilities — to invite atheists or those with more extreme political views to campus. Often times, it is this explanation — the push for open dialogue — that is given.

And in the end, if we are going to live in a society where differing ideals exist, there is certainly an argument for exposing students to them, while offering appropriate counter information (as it seems this may be the case in this particular event — at least based on the dean’s e-mail). So in that respect, many would agree with Powers.

The Blaze reached out to the dean to ensure the accuracy of the e-mail and he, indeed, said that the words were his. He also referred us to the same documents he mentions in his note.

One of these documents is a two-page letter that he composed explaining the college’s stance on Piven. The second document is a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) document that also helps explain the appearance. Clearly, the college knew beforehand that there was going to be controversy surrounding Piven’s address.

The former document reads:

The lecture has generated some conversation and expressions of concern as those who hear about the lecture wonder why this particular speaker was chosen and how such a lecture might fit the mission of Messiah College.  In the spirit of welcoming informed debate, the School and the Center appreciate such expressions of concern and the opportunity to address them.

In the FAQ document, though, a curious question reads, “Why would Messiah College invite Dr. Piven given her reputation in the national media?” The answer can be found, below:

It is very clearly the case that Dr. Piven has been the subject of a great deal of controversy over the past year to year and a half, a significant portion of that controversy deriving from the opinions of news commentator Glenn Beck and others in the blogosphere. The College has no official position on the  interpretation of Dr. Piven’s work by either her supporters or her detractors. The College does, however, attempt to bring a measure of critical reflection to the substantive ideas of many different speakers, critical reflection not always evident in media reporting on political and cultural issues.

Those involved in the vetting process did believe that the media controversy obscured Dr. Piven’s 40-year career and extensive scholarly credentials, both of which suggest that her talk can be the opportunity for serious conversation and political engagement for our students and by the general public.

It is here that the college’s response may spawn even more questions from critics. In the end, it‘s not difficult to come to a conclusion about Piven’s work. After all, wouldn’t doing so be prudent for a Christian college seeking truth in all information it puts in front of its students?

Piven’s most recent actions — attending the Days of Rage and making such outrageous claims — only cause one to further wonder how her ideas could be misrepresented (as some allege). Does this appearance, too, “obscure Dr. Piven’s 40-year career” or is it merely reflective of the work she has undertaken?

Her support for the Days of Rage protestors who have yet to figure out exactly what they are protesting against, is only the latest in a slew of bizarre and far-left stances. Really, her roots in radicalism date back to 1966 when she and her late husband authored a controversial essay. The Guardian has more:

…a sort of blueprint for bringing down the American economy.

Called The Weight of the Poor, it advocated signing up so many poor people for welfare payments that the cost would force the government to bring in a policy of a guaranteed income. For Piven, a committed voice of the left, known in academic circles but little recognised outside them, it was just one publication in a lifetime dedicated to political activism and theorising.

One could argue that this was decades ago and should no longer count against her, but one also needs to remember an editorial Piven wrote for The Nation back in January. Below, see our coverage after the article was published:

In a chilling and almost unbelievable editorial again in The Nation (”Mobilizing the Jobless,” January 10/17, 2011 edition), she calls on the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force. As before, those calls are dripping with language of class struggle. Language she and her late husband Richard Cloward made popular in the 60s.

“So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?” she writes. “After all, the injustice is apparent. Working people are losing their homes and their pensions while robber-baron CEOs report renewed profits and windfall bonuses. Shouldn’t the unemployed be on the march? Why aren’t they demanding enhanced safety net protections and big initiatives to generate jobs?” [Emphasis added]

Piven has worked with Cornel West and AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka and she is an honorary chair of the Democratic Socialists of America (yes, really).

All of this considered, it’s surprising that a Christian college ”has no official position on the interpretation of Dr. Piven’s work.” While remaining open and allowing students a forum for learning is certainly understandable, the college could easily do this while still having an opinion on the entirety of the professor’s work.

Of course, Messiah College has every right to refrain from doing so. I suppose many questions, though, will follow their decision to refrain from comment on this matter.

Comments (254)

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  • truthseekerusa
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:24pm

    If the parents of the students accept this woman as a speaker, that should settle it. If not, they should start looking for another college for their kid.

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    • gracentruth
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:08am

      I agree. Another college for sure, but which one? How about Hillsdale? they teach the constitution – yes. Peace,

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    • SoiledDove
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 3:35am

      Why should the parents have anything to do with it? College students are adults. They can make up their own minds.

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    • BORNINTOAWORLDATWAR
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 3:54am

      Because Soiled

      Most the kids there are there on their parents dime. And since this is not yet a socialist country, they should act as any true capitalist does and vote with their dollars.

      And give me a break on the adult thing, didn’t our messiah make it so they can stay on their parents health ins until they graduate, I wonder who pays that premium ????

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    • chazman
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 5:43am

      … I would only hope that those in the audience eviserate her for her Communist ideals, and shout her down right off the dias! She is an enemy of the American people!!

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:31am

      @SOILDOVE

      If I am the one paying tuition for said college, I get a say so in the matter.

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    • Meyvn
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 6:53am

      @SOILDOVE: Then let those “adults” pay their OWN way while they make up their OWN minds.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:07am

      why is it that these extreem lib women always have the crazy loon look?

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    • smithclar3nc3
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:47am

      soileddoves some college students are adults most are just big children who are still getting funds from mommy and daddy not out earning their own way.

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    • old white guy
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:33am

      i don’t think that inviting evil into the school is a good idea.

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    • hud
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:03am

      Sun Tzu @ work, know your enemy

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    • Attention2Detail
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:25am

      My step-son just graduated from this school. It is not a Christian school any more. I have heard some of the most disturbing talks from faculty when I was there for “family weekends”. Even the version of the Bible that they use is liberal. If you’re looking for a Christian college, keep looking. The college president has brought communism to the school. A required class for all students is “Created for Community”. I think she’s looking for a job in the Obama adminbistration.

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    • DanWesson455
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:22am

      Keeper of the Crypt old lady? gads…get a face lift. Yo look like some old chaps I have laying around.

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    • dp1489
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:03pm

      I am a Messiah College Student and part of the college republicans. We tried getting Glenn Beck to come to Messiah but his booking agency was not accessible or helpful in making it happen. Now we have Jason Mattera coming to speak on October 18th to counter the radical views of Piven. I think we should welcome the views of Piven in respects to freedom of speech. People will figure out how radical she is and how the conservative view point Mattera will present will be reasonable.

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    • DNC TALIBAN
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:15pm

      Somebody should knock this granny down so she breaks a hip. freaking commie be-otch

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    • Bill in Texas
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:40pm

      I wouldn’t want this Demon talking at my kids school. That’s what video is for. I wouln’t invite Ahmedenijad to talk, but I would show his speaches to teach my kids what evil looks like.

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    • ACLUHater
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:42pm

      What a hag. Cruella?

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    • Open Mind
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:47pm

      Because the parents are usually the the ones paying the bill – that’s why.

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    • cessna152
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 2:15pm

      Emailed Messiah college:

      admiss@messiah.edu

      I know they are a private institution, but we are free to let them know how we feel.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:12pm

      She is the definition of a slut. Read about her in her “hey day” . She has no business teaching school much less speaking at a school. She might MELT if they give her any WATER. IT‘S up to the parents now whether or not they are going to KEEP ENABLING this transformation of their kid’s minds with these DEMONIC (and they are) COMMIE PLANTS sent to the USA to demoralize us and “rot us like apples from the inside” …KEEP paying these ridiculous tuitions or letting the horrendously controlling (this is why the GOV has taken over TUITION loans…I mean, can you imagine being told you can’t take out a loan from anyone but the FEDS for college????) THEY want to control who gets into what schools… so aside from all the other corruption, we parents, grandparents need to raise hell with the colleges for what they are turning out and the MIS INFORMATION they are spewing. WE have a busy couple of years in front of us, undoing what these idiots have done. ANYWAY..anyone who attends this PIVEN‘S ’talk‘ and isn’t protesting with those who hired her is a sorry person. CHRISTIAN? WHAT??? Westside Baptist Church School? What CHRISTIAN College would want this anti-GOD, Anti-American witch to have any influence on their kids – AT ALL? Parents, beware.

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    • Grey Eagle
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:45pm

      I agree, that the parents need to look for another school. I certainly would if I sent my child to a Christian College and this radical socialist was invited to speak. What were the people in charge of the school thinking?

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    • pbrenda51
      Posted on October 11, 2011 at 11:15am

      I sent this info to our daughter who is looking for a christian college for our grandson…..she did some reading also, and emailed them, got a form letter back which was no explanatory of what they are doing, and she is taking them off her list of “chrisian” colleges…..they will lose lots of christian young people and get a lot of perverted cretins whom they really don’t want to have…….they should have thought about that before they hired the likes of this old communist lady, Piven

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  • 13thGenerationAmerican
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:21pm

    It’s a free country she can speak where she wants to

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    • Restoreamericanow
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:30pm

      Honey, this isn‘t a matter of free speech that’s concerning. It’s the question of why a Christian school would want this radical extremist “educating” their students.
      Therese a big difference, and it’s just a question. No one has called for them to not have her. They’re just trying to understand WHY they want her at all.
      Get it now!?

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    • jb.kibs
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:44am

      I’ll tell you why.
      They MIGHT have wanted to see if she burned up when she steps onto their property… ;)

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    • StrongWesternbabeluvinherWesternMAN
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 3:08am

      King James: 1Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits, and doctrines of demons

      Yes it is a free country founded on the principles of the God of the Bible: once this God has been thrown out and we and all that represent themselves as ‘christians’ then it will no longer be a ‘FREE’ country…………
      oh they are gonna miss us when we are gone (taken out when the trumpet sounds)

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    • TRUTHandFREEDOM
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 5:09am

      Colleges can use the abundant recent public video of this woman as an educational tool. No reason to pay the woman for her garbage. I really wonder how these people who are out in public actually trying to build support and action to destroy our economy and government are not arrested. Sure they say the same thing about the TEA Party, but the difference is that the TEA Party wants to fix, restore and defend our system of government as designed and the Piven types want to destroy it.

      TEA Party = Patriots.

      Commies, Socialists, Marxists, anarchists = traitors.

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    • biffer
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 8:44am

      Whereas her “kind” would revolt if a conservative were asked to speak, the true patriots in this country just will not support their efforts with our money. The liberals preach diversity, the conservatives actually practice it.

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    • OneYearNewspaperMan
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 2:38pm

      This story brings up a few points to ponder.

      Interesting that a Christian (conservative?) college would have Dr. Piven speak and stand-by it’s decision in the face of opposition, and in March 2010, a liberal college, the University of Ottawa, cancels a speech by Ann Coulter for fear of violence by a few thus also giving cover for the University administration’s liberal and biased views. How often does Columbia University in NYC schedule conservative speakers?

      Rather than protest Dr. Piven’s speech could we not participate, be respectful, and have peaceful debate. Is it better to censor opposing viewpoints? Win the battle with ideas not violence.

      Though it is tempting to return the favor of poor taste and lack of intellectual integrity and debate used by liberals. But is it not better to discuss, debate and win on the merits? We conservatives cherish free speech and loath the hypocrisy of the left on the issue of tolerance.

      One thing that will not happen is the kind of hateful, violent and disrespectful dialogue that appears much too frequently at liberal colleges such as the University of Ottawa.

      I completely disagree with Dr. Piven. It just seems better to minimize her influence by pointing out her intellectual flaws and proclaim superior ideas. That will influence minds.

      And on an aside, do posters on this forum need to use profanity to make an intellectual or emotional point? And discussing people’s physical appearance? We can rise above th

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  • ICANHANDLETHETRUTH
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:19pm

    That little old sweet lady gives me the creeps, remember what Glenn said about her seven months ago ?????? And she denied it all…………… hmmm thats a far cry from the videos above !!!!!!!

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    • GeorgieJo
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:44am

      Foxy Piven is one SPOOKY CREEPY woman
      One good thing—–she doesn’t need a costume for Halloween

      NO BO in 2012!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:00am

      Creepy and spooky? Oh, at the least we now know who the closest living relative of Nancy Pelosi is.

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    • godlovinmom
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 2:08am

      or a soros relative.

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    • tbear44
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 3:27am

      Yeah she is scary. She won’t even have to wear a costume on Halloween.

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    • tbear44
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 3:29am

      Ooops sorry Georgiejoe, didn’t see your post. Ha ha yeah I‘m sure that was a lot of people’s first thought.

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    • crackerone
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 11:28am

      @Geogiejo

      She’ll dress as herself, Plugs will go dressed in “blackface”. 1st and 2nd place.

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  • capitalismrocks
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:19pm

    Hopefully her stepping on the campus of a Christian College, we can all hope and pray that she’s struck down by a bolt of lighting… or at least run over by a drunken Phd with Tenure…. one can only hope and pray.

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    • I.Gaspar
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 7:47am

      I’m still hoping she has a stroke on camera.

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    • Windwalker
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 10:12am

      I’m wondering how “Christian” this “Christian College” really is.

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  • Roni
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:18pm

    What I wouldn’t give to be a heckler in that audience. That evil, wicked, ugly old witch would never even think about showing her her disgusting face in public again when I got done with her.

    Nooooo, don’t taze me bro!!!!

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  • 3katmomma
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:14pm

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if she was met with the same kind of vitriolic protest that she promotes for the other side? Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot. That type of action from the right is evil, dangerous, and not to be allowed. It’s only from the left that such things should be sanctioned.
    However, it is true that a much more powerful form of protest, if you will, is the command from Christ, to ‘hate the sin, but love the sinner’. If done properly, and in the right prayerful attitude, this can be more powerful than anything the left has to offer.

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  • Brooke Lorren
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:12pm

    I looked up their statement of faith and saw something that struck me as weird:

    “God instructs us to pursue the kingdom of peace, righteousness and justice”

    Where in the Bible does it say that? Satan is currently the lord of this earth, although I have a feeling that Jesus is going to come back and claim it for himself again really soon. We’re not to pursue a kingdom on this earth, but we are to seek Heavenly things, while we remain on the earth.

    Perhaps Francis Fox Piven fits in with the “pursuing justice” thing.

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:12pm

    The college goes by christian but is far from it. There are many college that like to tie themselves to a church but have little to do with that church Only want donations to keep their liberal ideals flowing.
    So all that glimmers is not gold.

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  • TRONINTHEMORNING
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:08pm

    You just can’t make it up. This crazy world never gets boring.

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  • Del Scorcho
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:08pm

    WANTED:
    One brick wall to bang my head against repeatedly.
    Serious offers only.

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    • drago
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:03am

      For sale, one brick wall, slightly used, blood stains removed…..

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  • pbasse
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:56pm

    Meet Francis Fox Piven: another radical old hippie and current college professor.. http://overmanwarrior.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/meet-francis-fox-piven-another-radical-old-hippie-and-current-college-professor/
    Meet Frances Fox Pivan, in her own words.
    Here she talks about Glenn Beck. What’s interesting is that she admits that the progressive process was already a larger plan by the late 60’s.
    Piven is all about subversion and undermining the power structure that exists in favor of a more level society. That’s called socialism. It’s easy for her to point at people who are calling her out on the issue and pretend surprise. But she has a long history of supporting that leveling of the playing field and revealing that the strategy of undoing America as a world power is the overall objective.

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    • GeorgieJo
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:48am

      I seriously believe the old woman is having LSD flashbacks and I’m NOT kidding.

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  • Goldenyears22
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:48pm

    She is truly evil and she has been out there teaching our young people. Her ugly ideas shows on her ugly face. Yes, you can see her master Satan in her face. Why a Christian college would ask her to come is beyond me when there are so many truly good people who could talk to the young people. this woman emanates evil..

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  • dsind
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:44pm

    old hippies stink, well, one of them anyway.

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  • mydogtippy
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:44pm

    This is so wrong, she hates this country so much and the rights to belive in god.

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  • InfiniteSolutions
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:43pm

    Have any of these folks investigated the Tea Party. Because what I heard is a movement for less government, no lobbyist – meaning less corruption, Freedom and many of the values the Tea Party is fighting for. Repeat after me, less government, an educational system that really educates, freedom of choice with less government involvment, less taxes and more money in my pocket to spend as a please and to empower me and my family, hard work equals rewards, education stamps out ignorance, keep it up and you will understand what this revolution is really about.

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  • Islesfordian
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:42pm

    Unless there will be someone prepared to debate her or at least respond to what she said I can’t see how this is anything but an implicit declaration that her views are acceptable.

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  • RationalMan
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:40pm

    Messiah College,

    How much did you pay pseudo Pivon to give a lecture?
    She didn’t do this for nothing!!!

    Oh, yes the people must “SACRIFICE” to others…but, not me! Right “PIVON”??????

    You communist pig and this goes to your lemmings protesters!!!!!!!!!!!! LOSERS!

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    • dnewton
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 2:17am

      Maybe she is trying to make a few last dollars before her social security checks stop coming because of the debt-is-good policy of the current administration. She may have planned for the chaos to come, so it would be nice to know how she would afford a serious illness , kidney dialysis or the collapse of the dollar if everything goes her way. People like her remind me of Gremlins that are eating the wings of an airborne airplane or ripping out the control wiring as if their actions had no consequences except on everyone else. Maybe she just plans to move to Cuba?

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  • broker0101
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:39pm

    Is it comforting to blame things on the supernatural?

    broker0101  
    • Restoreamericanow
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:31pm

      You’re sooooooooo weird.

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    • netmail
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 2:45am

      Dougral….Right on…it’s not Piven that surprises me regarding this story, it’s the college that invited her. She doesn’t belong at ANY Christian College. Perhaps some screw ball social justice church would be appropriate but that wouldn’t make the news. This does. Another sad news day.

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    • MSrebel
      Posted on October 5, 2011 at 12:30am

      @Broker0101- We blame the supernatural when they are at fault. Make no mistake about it; evil does exist in the form of “fallen angels” (demons, the devil and all that copy them). You will find that to be true, really soon.

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    • TomFerrari
      Posted on October 8, 2011 at 5:58pm

      baiting – reported

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  • exmacartneyfan
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:38pm

    There is a basic Biblical principal that is being violated here, and it’s no longer unusual in the so-called Christian community: NEVER ask the devil for his opinion regarding what God has already spoken. Messiah’s excuses and defenses for inviting this person may fool some people, but they will never stand before the Almighty.
    Sadly we live in an age where fewer and fewer people honor what is right, and foolishly invite those who are already proven wrong to share their misguided and poluted opinions (much like the Fox New’s “fair and balanced” nonsense).
    Why must I let somebody add dirt to my water before I drink just to make the point that it now tastes dirty? What kind of fools sit in the seats of authority at Messiah?

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    • lainpa
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:46pm

      Brilliant post. I agree wholeheartedly!

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    • Gorillabeatz
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:56pm

      You’re joking right? Tell me what is right in your mind? What has God spoken? What has Jesus taught? Love your enemies? Take care of the poor? What has the sermon on the mount taught us about what Jesus cares about? ” You have heard that it was said, ‘)YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect..

      P.S the word love in that word is “Agape” in Greek, the same “agape” that is found in John 3:16

      I wonder what God deems more important, you being right and making sure you tell people like Piven that she is wrong and you are right, or that Piven comes to know Jesus and the love He has for her.

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    • Dougral Supports Israel
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:57am

      @Gorilla We are commanded to love our enemies but so long as they are the enemy you don’t invite them into your house to talk to your kids. That’s the issue here. Piven does not speak the words of the Lord. Her message is one of chaos and strife. Those are hardly Christian values. She should not be speaking in a Christian college.

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    • Gorillabeatz
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 9:18am

      Why can’t she? Jesus talked directly to liars, thieves, and prostitutes and actually had a conversation with them. He didn’t shove repentance down their throat. I’m assuming you know how completely unpopular it was in that time to see someone who claims to be God sitting down at a tax collectors house and eating a meal with him. So what’s wrong with listening to someone with opposing views speak? I read non-christian books about creation to hear what they have to say so I can better undersand their argument so I can better reenforce mine. Everyone on here is freaking out for what reason? You think she is going to walk in and convert the whole school in one speech?

      Also like I said earlier that word for “love” is the word agape, the same word that John 3:16 uses to describe God’s love for us, it goes a little deeper then “tolerating” enemies.

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    • revolution-wanted
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 1:40pm

      Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • SheriS
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:37pm

    I find this shocking to have a Christian college invite someone who is a communist with some of the most out of orbit ideas speaking to the students! If Piven is indeed the monster most of us believe from her rantings, this should certainly upset the parents of those students who will be forced to listen to this raving nut! Hope the alums take action against the college—-I would be sending letters and getting the word out of this stupidity if I were a contributor!

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    • Goldenyears22
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:46pm

      Totally agree.

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    • Gorillabeatz
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:48pm

      You’re kidding right? If she is such a nut job then let her speak and let the students see for themselves how crazy she is.

      It’s amazing because the christian church by and large is losing the young people. most never come back once entering college. We wonder why college kids don‘t come back to the church and it’s the kinds of statements you made that keep them away. Truth will stand up to anything, including crazy people like the one mentioned above.

      I applaud messiah college for actually letting students think for themselves instead of having one side shoved down their throats. Let the students see for themselves how other people think instead of having them listen to what people think of other people.

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  • dealer@678
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:36pm

    Satan is not kind to his followers. Just look at her

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  • dealer@678
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:31pm

    It’s kinda sad to look at an old woman and see the face of Satan

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    • khandahar&jalalabad
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:40pm

      It’s progressivism it sucks the life out of you until you look like the emperor on Star Wars. Case in point Allen Colmes. Maybe they should invite satan himself to open a dialogue, makes sense right?

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  • dealer@678
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:26pm

    Look at her face. Can you see a demonic figure. I can

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    • RLTW
      Posted on October 4, 2011 at 12:05am

      Yes, it’s in her case it’s called resident evil, or zombie queen.

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  • dealer@678
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:24pm

    You dont invite “Legion” . Period

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    • Greenwood
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:39pm

      Mark 5: 9 ……………………”My name is Legion, because there are many of us”
      She is a demon-possessed swine

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    • dealer@678
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:03pm

      Thanks for that. I have racking my brain where that verse was

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    • Brooke Lorren
      Posted on October 3, 2011 at 11:09pm

      If you ever need to find out where something is in the Bible, try Biblegateway.com. You can look up words and find out where they are, and it’s free.

       
  • Iam4EnoughALREADY
    Posted on October 3, 2011 at 10:23pm

    Really?

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