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Christian Homosexual Group Pulls Support of Event Challenging Homosexuality

Exodus International, a national Christian organization that works with homosexuals who want to leave the gay lifestyle, will no longer sponsor an annual event that encourages school students to “counter the promotion of homosexual behavior,” CNN reports. The event, the group says, has become too divisive and confrontational.

Alan Chambers, president of Exodus International, explained the decision to CNN: “All the recent attention to bullying helped us realize that we need to equip kids to live out biblical tolerance and grace while treating their neighbors as they’d like to be treated, whether they agree with them or not.” The group did sponsor the event this year — held every April — but will not in the future.

The “event” is called the Day of Truth and is a counter movement to the gay communities Day of Silence:

Called the Day of Truth, the annual April event has been pushed by influential conservative Christian groups as a way to counter to the annual Day of Silence, an event promoted by gay rights advocates to highlight threats against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students.

The Day of Truth, held on the same day as the Day of Silence, “was established to counter the promotion of homosexual behavior and to express an opposing viewpoint from a Christian perspective,” according to a manual for this year’s event published by Exodus International.

On the Day of Silence, students take a “a vow of silence to bring attention to anti-LGBT name-calling, bullying and harassment in their schools,” according to a web site run by the event’s sponsor, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).

The Day of Silence began in 1996. The Day of Truth started in 2005 and attracted the participation of 6,000 students nationwide this year, Chambers said.

GLSEN executive director Eliza Byard praised the decision: “I thank Exodus for making this very important step. … The Day of Truth was an effort to push a very specific set of opinions about homosexuality into schools in a way that was inappropriate and divisive.”

Chambers made clear, however, that Exodus International has not changed its core beliefs or positions, but rather has reevaluated how best to communicate its message.

“Even though we have reached a fair number of students,” Chambers explained in a statement on the group’s website, “We believe that due to the timing of the event, Day of Truth was always perceived in an adversarial manner, and became more about policy than people.  That is in conflict with the mission we have chosen to embrace as an organization.”

(Read CNN’s entire story here.)

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  • HippoNips
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:18pm

    Actual Christians and homosexuals are not at odds because of Christianity. Outside forces have created that divide.
    In the 1970′s social engineers REWROTE the Holy BIble, called the New International Version.
    I say “rewrote” because their translation is not a literal transation but a paraphased one.. The authors of the NIV left out verses, added verses and terms , changed verses etc. to create a new meaning of the Word. They added this to support “social justice” and as an answer to the worldwide “sexual revolution” of the 1970′s
    They added the word “homosexual” and a condemnation of them .
    Many false paraphrased translations of the Bible have been created and as always internet sources for verses are just as realiable as they are with other topics.
    The only way to be is get a printed King James version and a New International Version and compare them. Yes, a past printing because the internet , as it is with all subjects, is worthless for facts on contentious issues.

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  • AChristian
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:11pm

    Note to Homosexuals

    If you think you can gain legitamcy for your personal Sin by attaching yourself to Christains you are mistaken. If you think same sex marriage is a path to legitimacy, you are mistaken. If you think you are smart enough to “Win” an argument with real Christians by out talking, out thinking, or being better at Rationalizing your POV, you are mistaken.

    The one thing you are right about is: your fellow man/woman is not better than you, not the judge of you. However, even if you are able to get past those who are NOT in a position to judge you, you still have to deal with the final judge. GOD! If you think you can change his mind by the sheer force of your intelligence, you are SADLY mistaken. You are wasting your time trying to gain legitimacy with those not in a position to give you legitimacy. Take your case to GOD! God will NOT be mocked. Good luck trying.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:51pm

      I am not mocking God. I humbly submit my life to His service. I follow where He leads me, no matter how difficult it may be. I have been called the most vile things, not for anything I have done, but for who I am.

      Ask yourself this — Why do you push your gay brothers and sisters away from Christ’s love? Are you afraid that Christ will not have enough love for you if He also loves someone gay? Many say that God can transform your life, and I believe that… but what if God wants me to be gay? Cannot you not trust God to work in my life in the way He wants my life to be?

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:21pm

      Tmarends rationalizes: “I have been called the most vile things, not for anything I have done, but for who I am.”

      No, not for who you are, for what you do. You know your behavior is sinful, yet you continue engaging in it. Then you try to justify it. Then you come here and try to confuse the issue with bogus obfuscations.

      The Bible is quite clear about everything having to do with sex. Sexual relations are only sanctioned within the sanctity of marriage, defined as one man and one woman.

      All other sexual behavior is fornication, about which the Bible is abundantly clear. Kindly refrain from any further obfuscation, thank you.

      And if you have given yourself over to Christ, you should no longer engage in any sort of fornication. That pretty much eliminates any form of homosexual behavior. You should correct your emotional problem, find a woman, and marry. Then you will not be fornicating.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:25pm

      Tmarends writes: “Cannot you not trust God to work in my life in the way He wants my life to be?”

      Typical, self-absorbed, narcissistic homosexual. Hopeless. God *wants* him to be a pervert and fornicator….roflmao!

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 2:49pm

      @Prospero

      You have no idea what I have or have not done as you do not know me. You are basing your judgment on the fact that I am homosexual, not any specific of what I have done.

      I was married, to a woman. It was un-natural. Sexual relations between us was forced, and felt like I was being raped. There was no pleasure, no enjoyment, and it was disgusting. That is my truth. I’m glad heterosexuall relations work for you.

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  • AChristian
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:55am

    Angrytexan

    Right On!

    Jesus said it, I believe it! That applys to everything that is in the Bible. There is no such thing as, “I believe only what Is Congruent with my own seperate beliefs” We can not pick and choose what parts of Jesus teachings we believe, and what teachings we want to ignore. If we could, then we wouldn’t need Jesus or the Bible. We would just make our own rules as we go. Which is what Agnostics & Atheists do. Doing that would disqualify us from being able to label ourselves as Christians. “Quasi-Christians” are NOT Christians.

    If God wanted men to be with men, then men could get each other pregnant, and the species would be promalgumated that way. Same goes for women. God don’t make no junk, and God doesn’t make mistakes. Those that defy GOD lose, GOD wins! Accept it!

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  • rfycom
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:52am

    Opened minded conservative here. These dang homos are nuts. They choose to be gay and risk being, persecuted, discriminated against, teased, beat up and even killed. Not to mention the STDs and probably living a lonely life based on sex and not love. Why would anyone in their right mind make the choice to be gay. Gays are born that way people. This is a big issue and I always go to the top on big issues. Jesus is a level two manager. I think a level one manager needs to correct this crazy crap. Let’s say the crazy messed up language in the bible is correct. Maybe Jesus was busy that day and didn’t clear this through God. Think about it people.

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  • JEANNIEMAC
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:32am

    What did Jesus say about homosexuals? He said, “From the beginning God made them male and female. And for this cause, a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall be one.”

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:14pm

      Matthew 19:11-12 11Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[a]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

      Why does Jesus mention the 3 types of eunuchs here, during His discussion on marriage and divorce? Perhaps they fall outside the marriage/divorce discussion. What are the 3 types of eunuchs? Those who renounce marriage for God (They are celibate), those who are created by other men (they are castrated — also our modern defination), and those who are BORN. What does it mean to be born a eunuch? Does that mean they are born with some sort of physical deformity? NO. The Jewish Talmud mentions several ways one may be able to tell if someone is a natural or born eunuch, and never once mentions any physical deformity. It, the Jewish Talmud, also mentions that natural eunuchs can produce semen, which leads us to another point, natural eunuchs are sexual beings. The Kama Sutra, which was written before the birth of Christ, has a section for eunuch/eunuch intercorse. Roman Law, at the time of Christ, defined a Natural Eunuch as a fully functional male (ie. everything was there and worked as it should) who was psychologically incapible of copulating (having sex) with women. It was believed at that time that the heat of a man is what caused a woman to become pregnant, and natural eunuch were thought to be without heat. It is also worth noting that under Roman Law of the time Natural Eunuchs were able to marry (even each other), adopt children, and inherit property. Castrated men did not have these rights. But Jesus also said not everyone would be able to accept this.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:17pm

      Tmarends propagandizes: “Why does Jesus mention the 3 types of eunuchs here, during His discussion on marriage and divorce?”

      Not relevant.

      The Bible is quite clear about everything having to do with sex. Sexual relations are only sanctioned within the sanctity of marriage, defined as one man and one woman.

      All other sexual behavior is fornication, about which the Bible is abundantly clear. Kindly refrain from any further obfuscation, thank you.

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  • R_U_4_Real
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:21am

    It is true that the Bible instructs people to kill anyone engaged in homosexual behavior. I never could understand why anyone would find the same sex appealing? Regardless, if someone in my family announced they were gay I would love them just the same.

    What did Jesus say? Something about “he who is without sin cast the the first stone”

    Respectfully,

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  • StonyBurk
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:16am

    Most of these replies fall far form the facts of the story. Exodus International considered the facts and
    made a wise business decision. The sponsors of the “fraud” called a day of silence-continue to promote
    a dangerous and destructive lifestyle choice.Those who are “of the world” cannot understand what is written in the Bible.those who believe the Bible ought proclaim what is written-but not as an offense.
    But in love.

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    • SeekerofTruth
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:57pm

      @Stony: yup, the story has been hijacked because it is soooo easy to decline into a “bible vs man” dialogue. No two persons will ever agree complete on the contents of Scripture. I think that is why Christ told us that we must read Scripture from a place from within the Holy Spirit because He knew we would most likely misinterpret it!

      Exodus has a very powerful message and their decision to break it away from the Day of Silence was a good strategy.

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  • AngryTexanFromAmarillo
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:16am

    I am sorry if you are a true believer in Christ then you can not even begin to think homosexuality is ok.
    Our country has become complacent of the idea for the most part and that is because of liberals way of thinking that has been creeped into our way of thinking.

    The Bible clearly says it is a sin to be gay, it is a sin and an abomination to God.
    However Jesus tells us to Love the person not their sin. But I do not believe based on the Bible that any homosexual can be a Christian unless they admit their sins and repent for them and if they do that they will no longer live a homosexual life style.

    Sadly people try and pick and choose what they believe out of the bible and it doesn’t work that way.
    You either believe it or you don’t period.
    If you believe some passages are true and some are out dated then you are not living by the guidelines set fourth by our creator.
    Nowhere in the bible does it say follow Gods laws unless man deems them untrue or outdated.
    So you either believe or you done. simple as that.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:33am

      The Bible isn’t clear about homosexuality at all. Leviticus 18 & 20 and Romans 1 are about ritual sex during idol worship, Corithians 6:9, at best, is either against pedophilia or male prostitution — most experts on ancient Greek cannot agree as Paul uses a word that is not used anywhere in Greek literature for another 200 years, and is then talking about heterosexual men who practice anal intercorse with their wives.

      Have you ever sat down and talked to a homosexual Christian? How can you condemn that which you know nothing about?

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:52pm

      Tmarends writes: “The Bible isn’t clear about homosexuality at all.”

      The Bible is quite clear about everything sexual, Tmarends. Sexual intercourse is only sanctioned within the marital union, and marriage is defined as a man and a woman. All other sex, of any sort, is fornication.

      The Bible is quite clear about fornication.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:56pm

      Tmarends asks: “Have you ever sat down and talked to a homosexual Christian? How can you condemn that which you know nothing about?”

      Have you ever sat down and talked to a Christian bestialist? How can you condemn that which you know nothing about?

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 9, 2010 at 5:31am

      I do not believe that the Bible or Christ condemns anyone for being gay – sorry I just don’t believe my loving God would create a person who is gay and then condemn them for it. The Bible has been written and rewritten and retranslated so many times and then the Catholic Church picked what books when be in the Bible and then hid the the ones that didn’t say what they believed and packed those books away under the Vatican never to be seen by anyone. We can not say that the Bible is the literal word of God – sorry this is just an issue that makes blood shoot out my eyes. If I am going to hell for believing this – then I will plead my case when I get there and I don’t believe my loving Christ will condemn me for defending those who struggle with this issue throughout their lives.

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  • tmarends
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:56am

    While the actions Exodus has decided to take on this is correct, in my opinion, that does not excuse them for their stated mission. They and groups like them are the reason so many gay youth are driven to depression and suicide.

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:31pm

      TMARENDS, I’ve been reading all your comments, and thanks. Those of us who don’t know the ancient Aramaic language in which I have been told most of the “original” Bible was written, really don’t know what was meant by many things which were said. What we have is an interpretation of a holy book which was written by people A) whose language few of us know today and B) whose motives in interpreting what they did interpret we do not know. There were, back when the Bible was being translated into one Book, unstable circumstances much like today, and people in charge of churches were trying to keep political control of large populations. In the third century AD, at least 30 books were thrown out of the Bible, now in the Nag Hamadi museum. It is interesting to me on a personal level that most of those books of the Bible which were tossed out venerated or were favorable toward women. But I digress. How do any of us know what was truly written in the Bible who don’t speak Greek, ancient Roman, ancient Aramaic, Hebrew, ancient Arabic and probably a couple of other ancient languages which names I don’t know, What is clear to me is that we should treat others as we would have them treat us, and I don’t consider the rules the “Ten Suggestions.” They are commandments. There is no commandment instructing us to belittle, demean, shun, terrorize, kill, bash, or bully gay people. I have a really hard time believing that gays were not created in the same image as the rest of us and that God doesn’t love them. I know that many people have had situations where they were approached by a gay person and they found that distasteful. It is no more distasteful than when I am approached by a man who disregards my wedding ring, or is in some other way odious to me. They take the same risk as any person takes who asks someone out for the first time: the risk of rejection. To construe being asked out by a gay person as “recruitment” is fundamentally unfair. And yes, that has happened to me, and when I respectfully said, “thanks, but I’m both married and straight,” I was offered a very normal, “sorry, no offense,” and responded with an equally normal, “no offense taken.” End of subject. Sins against children are sins against children in any language, or sexual orientation, and every gay I know would cheerfully dismember any human they caught seducing, grooming or attempting to molest ANY CHILD. Maybe the people opining here don’t know any normal gays, since they think differently about how gay people see children. What person in their sane mind would possibly make the choice to lose their friends, family and possibly their job by “choosing” to be gay? Before anyone goes off on that last comment, YES YOU CAN BE FIRED FOR BEING GAY. Gays have zero protection in the workplace and this I know for a fact, no matter what little laws someone might quote. As for homosexuality being natural: the thing held up most is a whiny little voice saying, “it doesn’t happen in the animal kingdom, so…” Guess what? It DOES go on in the animal kingdom if anyone cares to research it. Many species of animal have sex for other reasons than procreation, such as when the female isn’t “in season,” and many of those encounters are same-gender encounters. There is a whole species of bird which is entirely homosexual except once per year, to mate and procreate. I do not and will not profess to know the Mind of God, so I will treat all other humans with respect and accept their dignity (unless they give me a reason not to) and co-exist in a courteous and loving manner, unless God Himself shows up and tells me otherwise. God may have told some of these other people to go out and set themselves up as judges and tormentors of others, but He hasn’t yet said that to me.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:08pm

      Thank you WingedWolf.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:11pm

      Tmarends writes: “They and groups like them are the reason so many gay youth are driven to depression and suicide.”

      Gays are driven to suicide due to their poor choices in life. This high rate of suicide and depression is not unique to children, it is a pervasive symptom of the emotional dysfunction of homosexuality.

      When propagandists such as yourself refrain from encouraging this dysfunction, instead of seeking effective methods of curing it, they will continue to kill themselves.

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  • Race
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:53am

    Religion = Control. ‘Nuff said.

    Race  
    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:27pm

      “Religion = Control.”

      Really. How, precisely, does the voluntary act of believing in God equate to control? Control by whom?

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  • Jennifer
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:46am

    DimmuBorgir: The reason people don’t run around saying “You have to hate this group” is because it is the wrong thing to do….the reason people say “ You have to accept this group” is because it is the RIGHT thing to do.
    Acceptace will bring about love…and love is the only thing that can eliminate hate

    This group DID do the right thing and I can only pray that many others will follow their lead.

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  • AMERICA4EVER
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:45am

    Google Folsom Street and tell me this helps the gay cause…sick

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:54am

      Do not judge all gay people by this perverted display… just like gay people should not judge all Christians by the actions of Fred Phelps and the Westboro “church”.

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  • tugdiver
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:34am

    I don’t think it is anyones business how other engage in non predatory or opportunistic sexual activities. The students that bullied that young man were wrong and are sexual predators. My sincere condolences for his parents. I am not a parent of a gay child and I am not the kind of person that would put a pillow over any innocent (unlike the video of that eugenicist in the UK). My children are tolerant and appreciate the wonderful things that God has grated our family and our country. This group is good in taking the stance of stopping people from throwing stones.

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  • Deutscher
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:33am

    Christians often make themselves look bad when trying to justify why they hate gays.

    The most quoted admonition is from Leviticus. If you followed all of Leviticus or even half of it you would have a very interesting life, no food from mixed fields , no poly/wool blend clothes, etc. It’ NUTTy and you dont adhere to it, so why pull this few lines out to try to ruin other people’s lives.

    As I see it, MOST Christians dont follow the 10 simple laws they consider the only true commandments.
    When you can honestly say you keep all 10 of those commandments daily in your life, THEN you can call yourself Christian. You don’t need to read Leviticus to find laws to live by. My life experience has shown me that when someone concerns themskeves with the “sins” of others it’s because they are using it to avoid thier issues, and the ones who hate others often hate themselves.

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:47am

      Oh, AMEN to someone who obviously has a grip on what Jesus taught. Thank you.

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    • pulpiteer
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:47am

      This behavior has alredy been Judged…God has determined he is not going to allow it…he will however allow you to FILL up your sins…so will I…if you want to defy God …go ahead..Doesnt bother me…But remember I am striaght…straight as it concerns my family my friends…I dont drink, I dont even watch TV…since 94…All I do is meditate on God all day…He is very close to me in Judgement…as he was with moses…people who force or attack or decieve or steal from me…Have enormous amounts of destruction…sometimes I see it happen in one or two days…

      Go sin no more Jesus said or something worse will happen to you….

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    • Huckabee Gingrich 12
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:55am

      @DOOSHTER
      Hey, genius, we don’t “hate gays”, we hate their lifestyle. We also acknowledge that we are just as great of sinners as they are, but we don’t take PRIDE in our sins, we are ashamed of them. Get a clue. No one can keep the Ten Commandments. Every person is guilty of all of them. I wouldn’t expect you to understand. You’re a SeculatCommunistHeathenLiberalEvolutionistPagan, i.e. a SCHLEP, You hate the Bible, you hate God, you love death. We get it.

      Proverbs 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

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    • Huckabee Gingrich 12
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:08am

      @PULPITEER
      Must be a great view you have from way up there on your high horse. I‘m guessing that you’re a Charismatic. They usually think they’re pretty great. Oops, i forgot, you’ll God down on me if i dis you. Guess I’m screwed.

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    • Huckabee Gingrich 12
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:12am

      *call God down on me*

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:19am

      @G-H.
      Looks like you choose the low-road if name-calling, poor choice. It never makes you look smart.

      So ” no one can keep the 10 commandments. Everyone is guilty if all if them”
      Really? I think most people keep a good deal of them. So YOU are guilty of murder???

      As for your long attempted smear of me, it was very comprehensive for someone who doesnt even know me. Haha

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:41am

      Gee….I don’t remember reading where Jesus said, “or something worse will happen to you.“ God sure has a lot of ”mini-me(s)” here on planet Earth.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:08pm

      Deutscher blathers ignorantly: “MOST Christians dont follow the 10 simple laws they consider the only true commandments.”

      Heh heh heh! Yet another amusing atheist pretending to speak as if he knows what he’s talking about.

      *Nobody* is free from sin. It’s always amusing to watch idiots such as yourself state the obvious as if it were profound, relevant, or even an argument. How much simpler life must be for those who think reciting general realities makes them intelligent….

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:11pm

      Deutscher writes: “Christians often make themselves look bad when trying to justify why they hate gays.”

      Yes, and Atheists often make themselves look bad when trying to justify beating their wives daily…

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    • SeekerofTruth
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:27pm

      Spot On! “For All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” As I read through the posts, its seems to me that most of the readers have missed the fact of the Exodus group entirely. It’s mission is witness to the homosexual community that they CAN LEAVE THAT LIFESTYLE through prayer and a new life in Christ. Christians believe in Christ but we still sin… our lives are supposed to be about trying to live according to the Gospel and Christ knew we wouldn’t be able to do it without the Holy Spirit! He also told us that, “those who live by the law will die by the law” because He knew that the law was imperfect just as we are! Grace is what we have and the Holy Spirit was sent to us to be our guide through this life because Christ knew we would need help when He went to sit at the right hand of God.

      What each of us does with that gift of grace is up to us. I know that for myself personally, I have abused that gift and each day I experience exactly what Paul did; I do things I know I should not do and I don’t do things I know I should do. There was only One who was Perfect… that is what we are all striving for, isn’t it?

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    • truthncharity
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:54pm

      Noone can be redeemed by the Law.
      That’s why Christ came…he fulfilled the Law & the Prophets.

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    • Huckabee Gingrich 12
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:16pm

      So ” no one can keep the 10 commandments. Everyone is guilty if all if them”
      Really? I think most people keep a good deal of them. So YOU are guilty of murder

      @DOOSHTER
      Murder is not mentioned in the 10 Commandments. It says Thou shalt not KILL. You have killed, and I have killed. but, according to Jesus, if you hate someone, you’re a murderer.

      1John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

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  • washburn
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:27am

    “impossible to be a follower of the messiah and be gay.”

    What a ridiculous thing to say. Is it impossible to follow Christ and be a sinner? News flash, we are all sinners. No sin rises above another and homosexual behavior is no greater sin than any you have committed. The difference is that those who follow Christ constantly work to avoid temptation, correct themselves and stay on the right path.

    Kudos to this group for their actions. We, as Christians, shoud be diligent in our efforts to embrace and love those who sin (which is all of manking). That is how they are led to Christ. Love the sinner, hate the sin.

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  • DimmuBorgir
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:26am

    i don‘t think i’ve ever told someone “YOU HAVE TO HATE THIS PERSON!!!!”

    however, i hear all the time “YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT EVERYONE!!!!!!”

    and yet i’m the evil one for having my own beliefs and not pushing them on the public

    but the gay community can shove their beliefs in my face and they are “heroic” for standing up for their beliefs.

    right or wrong keep it to yourself and you might not piss everyone off in the process

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    • itasca
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:01pm

      (As a Christian you are to hate sin.) I wish to post Paul’s statement on homosexuality in the book of Romans:
      Romans chapter 1 verses 26-28:
      ” God therefore delivered them up to disgraceful passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and the men gave up natural intercourse with women and burned with lust for one another. Men did shameful things with men, and thus received in their own persons the penalty for perversity.”

      In the first sentence Paul writes: ” God therefore delivered them up to disgraceful passions.” Does this opening sentence indicate that God approves of homosexuality? Obviously not. Yet it is being taught today that God approves of the homosexual lifestyle when Paul clearly states in verse 28 that homosexuals have been cursed by God and therefore are being punished for their sins:

      ” Men did shameful things with men, and thus received in their own person THE PENALTY FOR THEIR PERVERSITY.” This is what the scriptures have to say about homosexuality.

      For those of you who know the truth take comfort in what Paul has also written in Romans chapter 1 verses16,17: ” I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God leading everyone who believes in it to salvation, the Jew first then the Greek. For the gospel is revealed the justice of God which begins and ends in faith; as Scripture says,” The just man lives by faith.”

      Fight the good fight fellow my brothers and sisters in Christ.

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  • Jennifer
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:25am

    LISTEN TO ME, all you “Christians” who point the finger and condemn homosexuals, you are yourselves now condemned. You are a disgrace to your religion, and as unamerican as they come. EVERYONE, yes, EVERYONE has the right to pursue thier own happiness and if someone is born in a way that their happiness begins and ends with someone of thier same gender, where do you get off telling them that they are wrong? Why on earth do you care what 2 consenting adults do? What kind of pervert are you that you think you can tell people what to do with their bodies? Who in the world do you think you are? You can take your bible thumping, judgemental, out of control, angry, hateful, hurtful rhetoric and shove it down eachothers throats. You are the reason Christians are mocked and pursecuted in this country – because of your blatent, dispicable hypocricy and I am tired of hearing your hateful words used about my friends and family members. If you would put down you MAN WRITTEN bible for 5 minutes and actually take the time to speak with anyone who is gay, you would find out just how much turmoil and pain they go through at the hands of people like you. Your dispicable and God will condemn YOU for your hateful words and actions.

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    • DimmuBorgir
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:32am

      hey jennifer,

      what if persecuting people is what makes me happy?

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    • truthncharity
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:41am

      I know plenty of gay people….and guess what….*GASP* they are my friends, they are family members…telling the truth in love is not hateful…and no, I don’t shun them, I don’t judge them, I just love them ….get off your high horse and get a grip on your own anger and bitterness.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:55am

      @Jennifer
      I’m so glad you are here to remind all us haters what the language of love sounds like. :)

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:06am

      Jenny -when you write such stuff n nonsense it manifests the fact that you are living up to your name but
      not proving much intellect.Might I suggest you try treading the Bible sometime?

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:17am

      There’s a saying “love the sinner, hate the sin.” It’s a cliche, I know, but it’s important to point out because it reminds us that there is a distinction, after all, between a person and his actions. Too many people make the mistake of thinking because I hate a sin, therefore I hate the person committing that sin. Not so. I sin, and I hate the sinful things I do, but I don’t hate myself.

      C.S. Lewis put it best: “However much I might dislike my own cowardice or conceit or greed, I went on loving myself. There had never been the slightest difficulty about it. In fact the very reason why I hated the things was that I loved the man. Just because I loved myself, I was sorry to find that I was the sort of man who did those things.”

      Not that it’s as easy to apply this to other people the same way we apply it to ourselves. But that‘s what we’re supposed to do anyway. But be careful: loving the person **never** means loving or excusing the wrong things that they do.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:17am

      “Why on earth do you care what 2 consenting adults do?”

      So, in your mind, a father is totally okay having a sexual relationship with his consenting daughter? What about a mother with her consenting daughter? What about a brother and a sister, or two brothers?

      These are all fine, in your world, as long as there is consent?

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:21am

      Jennifer blathers hysterically: “all you “Christians” who point the finger and condemn homosexuals, you are yourselves now condemned.”

      How amusing. And are you too condemned now, for condemning us?

      Jennifer blathers hysterically: “Your dispicable and God will condemn YOU for your hateful words and actions.”

      Really. And will He condemn you for your hateful words?

      It’s always amusing…in a watching small children eat their own boogers kind of way…to have atheists counsel me on things of which they have zero knowledge.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:28am

      @Prospero
      I really enjoy reading your posts.
      I trust Caliban’s been tamed? Gotta wach out for him. Is he posting over at Media Matters? I thought I smelled the whiff of savagery over there.

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    • AngryTexanFromAmarillo
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:34am

      Well Jennifer by judging or condemning everyone else you just in turn pointed the same finger at your self. First of all I never condemned anyone I said what the bible says and God will judge them along with everyone else when the time comes period. I don’t hate gays I hate their sins, I don’t go out and gay bash anyone.

      But I do feel that they should not be allowed to teach our children in school that it is ok to be homosexual period. IF I want to teach my children about it then that is MY JOB not the governments and I will teach my children it is wrong and a sin to engage in such behavior. But I will also teach them to love them the way Christ loves everyone regardless of their sins.

      I do not like the gay community trying to force everyone to accept their life style and I do not believe they should be allowed to get married. They have a God given right to follow the sins of the flesh or to follow Gods law but they can not say they are following Gods law and practice homosexual behavior.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:54am

      Caitlynsdad writes: “I thought I smelled the whiff of savagery over there.”

      Heh heh heh!

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:17pm

      Jennifer – so well said – bravo, bravo!!! http://wp.me/pYLB7-bg

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  • DimmuBorgir
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:23am

    It doesn’t matter to me if Jesus said anything about homosexuals, don‘t even care if it’s acceptable.

    just don‘t try to convince me i’m some bigot if i don’t like gay people. most gay people don‘t like people who don’t like gay people. everyone hates everyone, it’s just who gets the sympathy that makes them the victim or the perp

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:39am

      So the group deconstructed your religious argument so you fallback to – everybody hates somebody so I choose to hate gays?

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:33pm

      Deutscher writes: “The group deconstructed”

      There is no group here that you belong to, Deutscher, excepting carbon-based life forms. *We* are the group, you are the troll.

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  • truthncharity
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:15am

    Do a word study of Matthew 4:23-24 on the word disease. You’ll find, if you trace it to its root, it means catamite, male prosititute, effeminate male.

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:45am

      What are you implying? That all disease comes from gay men?
      Fortunately we don’t use the bible to study and treat disease. We use science.

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    • truthncharity
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:57am

      Deutcher
      What are you implying? That all disease comes from gay men?

      What a stretch!! No, that’s not what I was implying. Try again.

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    • StonyBurk
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:59am

      T’anks! you adds to my understanding .Most of these comments seem wide of the point of the story-
      and I nearly ignored it by reason of a poorly written headline

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    • Deutscher
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:03am

      I’m not understanding your meaning obviously. Can you help me out?

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    • truthncharity
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:40pm

      I wasn’t implying anything. I was merely stating a fact about the meaning of the word in said scripture. Read the scripture…Jesus healed them. With that said, I will say this…..there is only one sin that is unforgivable, and it’s not homosexuality.

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    • truthncharity
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:01pm

      Stonyburk….thank you ;o)

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  • LadyIzShy
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:40am

    I am sorry it is biblically wrong to be homosexual we should pray for those who believe they are. We should NOT discriminate or treat them poorly however we should pray for these souls just as we pray for other who do not know Jesus Christ

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:49am

      Where? Where in the Bible is it wrong to be homosexual?

      The Bible isn’t clear about it at all. Let’s look at the most common passages used against homosexuality.

      LEVITICUS: If you look at the entire chapters (18 & 20) that those two verses are placed you will find this — Leviticus 18:3 “You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices.” and something similar in chapter 20. God is telling the Hebrews not to follow the WORSHIP practices of the Egyptians and Canaanites, which often included male prostitution and orgies. These chapters are condemning ritual sex as part of worship.

      ROMANS — Romans 1:21-23 “21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.“ These are the verses that come just before where Paul says God gave up on them and they started to do ”unnatural” things. Look at the people Paul is talking about. Paul says that these people KNEW God, but worshiped idols anyways. It is these people that God gave up on, not people who know and worship Him (even those who happen to be gay).

      Corinthians (and Timothy) — These verses are a little more tricky as they require an understanding of Ancient Greek. Paul uses the word “Arsenokoitai”, which is not found in any extant Greek writings until the second century when it apparently means “pederast”, a corrupter of boys, and again in the sixth century when it is used for husbands practicing anal intercourse with their wives. “Arsenokoitai” is made up of two parts: “arsen” means “man”; “koitai” means “beds.” Although the word in English Bibles is interpreted as referring to homosexuals, we can be fairly certain that this is not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey. If he had, he would have used the word “paiderasste.” That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males. We can conclude that he probably meant something different than people who engaged in male-male adult sexual behavior. Some scholars think probably the second century use might come closest to Paul’s intention. If so, there is no justification for translating the word as “homosexuals.”

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:06pm

      Tmarends propagandizes: “Where in the Bible is it wrong to be homosexual”

      The Bible is quite clear about everything having to do with sex. Sexual relations are only sanctioned within the sanctity of marriage, defined as one man and one woman.

      All other sexual behavior is fornication, about which the Bible is abundantly clear. Kindly refrain from any further obfuscation, thank you.

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  • 1John5
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:34am

    Read Corrinthians 6:16 and then tell me your are a Christian.

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  • Pyx
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:33am

    One one hand, an entire community defines itself by its own behavior and insists that everyone everywhere be aware of the specifics of that behavior as well as who practices that behavior. The community by definition is incapable of reproducing and instead, perpetuates itself entirely by relying entirely on recruitment.

    On the other hand, almost every five year old knows that poop is nasty, dangerous stuff that has germs. And yet, there is an entire community of so-called adults that would have the general public believe what every five year old knows to be true.

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    • Pyx
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:45am

      perpetuates itself entirely by relying entirely on recruitment.

      Should read;

      perpetuates itself entirely by relying on recruitment.

      AND

      the general public believe what every five year old knows to be true.

      Should read;

      the general public believe contrary to what every five year old knows to be true.

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    • moriarty70
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:50am

      THEY DON’T RECRUIT! IT IS NOT A CHOICE!

      They don’t have recruitment parties with cookies, cocktails and gay sex sampler rooms. “Just try it and if you don’t like it, no obligation”.

      As for the asinine “poop” concept, does that mean you’re fine with lesbians then? It seems the only “gay” people have a problem with is men.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:32am

      Moriarity writes: “THEY DON’T RECRUIT! IT IS NOT A CHOICE!”

      Yeah, sure, that’s what all of you plain or ugly men say. Out of ignorance. Those of us men who are facially attractive to the point of prettiness with good bodies know better, having been actively “recruited” many times in our lives by sicko homos.

      I’m afraid they most certainly *do* recruit, my friend. Most ardently.

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    • moriarty70
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:07pm

      @Prospero
      By that line of thinking then men actively recurit women to hetrosexuality the same way.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:18pm

      Moriarty writes: “By that line of thinking then men actively recurit women to hetrosexuality ”

      First of all, I didn’t present a “line of thinking”. I presented objective fact based on a lifetime of experience.

      As should be glaringly obvious, you don’t recruit someone to become what they already are. Civilians don’t recruit other civilians, the military recruits civilians. You don’t need to recruit the normative into the normative.

      When you find yourself descending into preschool juvenility in order to defend a point, the time has come to review your position. Why should any reasonable person ever take you seriously, when you show so little respect for their intelligence? Did you think you were clever? You revolt me.

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    • moriarty70
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:45pm

      Well, yeah, I did think it was pretty clever. Not going to lie about that.

      On topic however, people tend to overestimate how many people are the same as them. Vegitarians overestimate the percentage of the population that are vegitarians and so on. Same with sexuality, and unless you flit/hit on someone you won‘t know if they’re game or not.

      And on the same note, perhaps you and others give off an “air” of gayness. I’m not making any assumptions about you with that, my best friend often gets mistaken as gay and it’s caused him no end of frustration.

      My big issue with the recruitment argument being used is that it implies both that it’s a choice, instead of a way someone is born, and that there is a conentrated organized effort to turn the whole world gay.

      And besides, normative is simply how the majority are not the only way it is, or even what’s “normal” or “right”. Consider that Galileo was labled a heritic for saying the Earth isn’t the center of the universe, the normative view at the time.

      As to some of your other posts, it’s equally juvenile to quote people with an assumed tone of voice such as “Tmarends propagandizes”. In fact it’s also condecending and tries to minimize your opponent.

      And as to trusting the word of the Bible as the end all and be all, Galileo provides two great lessons. The first is that those who use the Bible as their source of knowledge are slow to come around to new understandings and standards. The second is that since they do come around, the Bible is not a black and white document and that parts can be set aside or re-interpreted based on modern views.

      Or to put it in a more juvenile way: The Earth orbits the Sun and homosexuals don’t choose to be so.

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  • wingedwolf
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:20am

    Children should not have a gay agenda rammed down their throats like the medical takeover debacle was rammed down our throats. They should be taught tolerance, however, and not to bully others for any reason. Whatever happened to “as you sow, so shall you reap?” If you bully others, sooner or later that’s going to come back and bite you. And as regards gays, I don’t recall the passage(s) in the Bible where it instructs the followers of Jesus to bully, snub, reject and bash homosexuals. Those kinds of instructions only exist in muslim holy books. I remember “judge not, lest you be judged” & “vengeance is mine saith the Lord” & I remember learning about Jesus sitting down & praying with the lepers, prostitutes and society’s other “undesirables.” If we are to follow Jesus’ example, what are we doing by ostracizing, shunning and otherwise bullying and denigrating gays? I will not have to answer for sins against God committed by another. I will, however I do believe, be held accountable for refusing to extend common courtesy and dignity to people who I have judged unacceptable to God, after God Himself has admonished me to not set myself up as the judge.

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    • dbmmcquattie
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:38am

      key words there LEST ye be judged!!!!!!
      so in other words if you judge make sure you use the type of judgement you want on your self!
      i dont mind judging! but use a fair mind because that same judgement may be used on me…..
      as for the people who arent ‘good’… he is making them not follow their old ways. the prostitute cant go a whoring after that. the point is that she turns from sin. these people have heard the gospel of the kingdom and refuse it. just like the parables… example when god sends out the invitations to the wedding and no one comes!!!!!! there are rules this is black tie people!!!!! no exceptions!

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    • wingedwolf
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:54am

      Yes, well, I still don‘t see where the Bible instructs any human being not born of the Virgin Mary to set themselves up as God’s special judge and representative here on Earth to torment and bully those with whom we disagree. And I am well aware of the language used in the Bible, my dear. Thank God I will only have to answer for my own actions and not those of others. (eye-roll inserted here) I am grateful for that every day. Do you remember back in school when there was always just one student who thought he was the teacher’s “mini-me?”

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    • wifezilla
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:09am

      “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.” Yeah…feel the love.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:28am

      Troll writes: ” there are rules this is black tie people!!!!! no exceptions!”

      Don’t be a rube. There is only one rule. Believe on the Lord, Jesus Christ, and ye shall be saved. A man is saved by faith alone, and not through works, lest any man should boast.

      Don’t you have a funeral to disrupt somewhere, loser?

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  • EqualJustice
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:12am

    SCHOOLS and government should have NO SAY on social issues like this. Sex education, (not meaning biology) morals and religious beliefs all come from the FAMILY AND HOME.
    SCHOOLS and Government also should not REGULATE or mandate in any of these areas. IMO

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    • sorebird
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:21am

      Amen to that, when our morals come from government we a doomed.

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    • dbmmcquattie
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:23am

      oh im sorry so the rule that stands above all rule is not right? sooooo god is wrong? basically what you are saying is that your gonna make new rules, fables if you will.
      well my friend i have sympathy for you.

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    • *************************
      Posted on October 8, 2010 at 3:23am

      @EqualJustice
      Love your profile picture! LOL!
      (Actually, Obama does make SENSE … to progressive (communist) TRAITORS who want to overthrow the United States Of America. Damn Kenyan Obama and the Democrat horse he rode in on!)

      “Shhh, it’s all right, Taggart. Just a man and a horse being hung out there.” -Hedley Lamarr, Blazing Saddles

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  • dbmmcquattie
    Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:10am

    oxymoron
    impossible to be a follower of the messiah and be gay.
    wow again read your bible…. why is it people think that their opinion matters?
    1 john people COMMON! Sodom Gomorrah! sigh we are in some bad times…..

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    • Felix_the_Infidel
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:20am

      DBMMCQUATTIE, try taking a step into the 21st century, if only for a moment. Contrary to speculation, rumors of Christianity’s demise have been wildy exagerated.

      The folks mentioned above realized something important of Jesus and what He really taught.

      Oh, and feel free to quote one single thing Jesus said about homosexuals. Any quote at all that’s for or against. Pick one. I’m sure there are many you can be picked from.

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    • Jethro212
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:22am

      Well said, I was going to just post Oxymoron, but ya beat me to it!

      Sort of like Muslim-Christian, or Collective Salvation. Those might be some neat ideas, but there is this book, its really old, and its what the Christian Faith is based on, and IT IS NOT IN THE RULE BOOK! Jesus is the only way, if you are a Christian… If you think something else, well, then you are not a Christian.

      Leviticus, Exodus, Romans, they all explain pretty clearly, Gay cannot equal Godly.

      Obama is a Christian like I am an Astronaut, I am a pilot, but according to Obama’s logic, now I can say I am an Astronaut!

       
    • dbmmcquattie
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:30am

      @ FELIX_THE_INFIDEL well first of all. god made man and woman. second he destroyed 4 cities because of their ‘knowing’ of the same sex. yes the messiah (his name is Y’hoshuʿa btw) mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah, in mentioning he said it would be better for them because they could at least turn from their ways! meaning NOT BE GAY! and finally if you read the bible cover to cover you will get exactly that no homosexuality allowed. i mean i can go on but most people dont care they just wanna hear that its ok so the can sin (which is the transgression of the law!!!!!! IE the commandments must be kept) without hurting their conscious….

       
    • dbmmcquattie
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 9:46am

      @ JETHRO212, hey the step father of Moses!

      lol ya funny, the messiah spoke of the end times and many false christs will arise….

      who knew there would be this many.

      and like paul talked a lot about people preaching another gospel….

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    • Iamtheoracle
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:23am

      To be clear – you can be a follower of the Messiah and be gay…. “attracted to the same gender”. Being a follower doesn’t always mean a person has a testimony of Jesus Christ and repairs their life on a regular basis to be closer to Him. “being gay” is a behavior which when engaged in – is immoral and goes against the teachings and laws of God, just like heterosexual immorality, theft, lying, murder and other injurious behavior. Gazillions of sinners follow the Messiah and in repentance find peace in the Atonement. Many gay people have chosen to be morally clean. Only in Christ can those who have fallen victim to this deception by Satan ( that you are born gay ) find recovery. This is not a condemnation of those who indeed do suffer but a reason to have hope.

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    • pulpiteer
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:32am

      Jesus said I and the father are one…Jesus is one with his father…His father said…do not lie with men as you do with women…his father will not allow it…neither will Jesus…you can do it …I cant stop you…nor do I want to…but he will…even if it is after 70 years of you defying him…what will you do in the afterlife…no sex..no male no female…just spirit…no ruling over others …no lust…no greed…no power…to most this is hell…I like it…Jesus and HIS FATHERS way is all that will be allowed

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:39am

      @Felix
      Start with God’s destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:1-13). Then look at Leviticus 18:21-22 and Leviticus 20:13. Lest you say this is just OT stuff, and Jesus is NT, look at Matt. 5:17. Also see Mark 7:20-23, 1 Cor. 6:9-11, Rom. 1:25-27, and 1 Tim. 1:8-10. God‘s law isn’t a menu.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:46am

      • The Bible isn’t clear about it at all. Let’s look at the most common passages used against homosexuality.

      LEVITICUS: If you look at the entire chapters (18 & 20) that those two verses are placed you will find this — Leviticus 18:3 “You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices.” and something similar in chapter 20. God is telling the Hebrews not to follow the WORSHIP practices of the Egyptians and Canaanites, which often included male prostitution and orgies. These chapters are condemning ritual sex as part of worship.

      ROMANS — Romans 1:21-23 “21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.“ These are the verses that come just before where Paul says God gave up on them and they started to do ”unnatural” things. Look at the people Paul is talking about. Paul says that these people KNEW God, but worshiped idols anyways. It is these people that God gave up on, not people who know and worship Him (even those who happen to be gay).

      Corinthians (and Timothy) — These verses are a little more tricky as they require an understanding of Ancient Greek. Paul uses the word “Arsenokoitai”, which is not found in any extant Greek writings until the second century when it apparently means “pederast”, a corrupter of boys, and again in the sixth century when it is used for husbands practicing anal intercourse with their wives. “Arsenokoitai” is made up of two parts: “arsen” means “man”; “koitai” means “beds.” Although the word in English Bibles is interpreted as referring to homosexuals, we can be fairly certain that this is not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey. If he had, he would have used the word “paiderasste.” That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males. We can conclude that he probably meant something different than people who engaged in male-male adult sexual behavior. Some scholars think probably the second century use might come closest to Paul’s intention. If so, there is no justification for translating the word as “homosexuals.”

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    • Huckabee Gingrich 12
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:49am

      @DBMMCQUATTIE (stupid moniker, btw. how about something pronounceable?)
      I recommend you go work out your own salvation before you decide who is and who isn’t a sincere follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. You’re like a Pharisee. Clean on the outside and filthy on the inside. I abhor homosexuality, but would never presume to tell one that they are going to hell, that’s WAY above my pay grade. The job of Messiah is already taken, and you ain’t Him. He’s the Judge, not you or me. Judge the sin, not the sinner.

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    • Agamemnon
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:50am

      Jethro212 – The Christian faith is not based on a book. It is the other way around. The “book” your referring to-or rather a collection of books, poems, and letters-is actually born out of the Christian faith and tradition. The truth of Scripture cannot be separated from the traditions from which it arose

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    • NFYRx
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:52am

      “For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” that includes all of us.
      Little white lies, lusting after a woman in your heart, homosexuality. Same.

      The flood wiped out EVERYBODY except Noah’s family.
      The fire coming up will do the same.

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    • rlmeals
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 10:52am

      @IAMTHEORACLE: I agree with you, but I have one point to throw in there. I have not made up my mind about this yet, but I have a dialogue going on in my head between the two opposing sides (that’s funny to picture, huh?!). On one hand, why would God make somebody gay (born gay argument) if it’s a sin? He tells us it’s a sin in the bible, along with murder, witchcraft, and a long list of other offenses. On the other hand, we are all born sinners, and in God’s eyes all sins are equal. And, we know that even though God wanted Pharoah to let the Israelites go from captivity, and Pharaoh had decided to, God hardened his heart. God caused him to change his mind so that God could have the glory of this miracle. So, is it possible that someone could be born gay and wrestle with lust in his/her heart for someone of the same sex, as we lust for people of the opposite sex? And also, the sin of sexual immorality of the flesh applies to hetero and ****. So, if someone at a young age is having these feelings, is it not by the grace of God that that person may go through a long hard journey of finding God and asking Him to suppress this sin in his/her life?

      Like I said, I don’t know the answer, and I used to be adamantly on the “it’s a choice” bandwagon. But a friend of mine who is a Christian is gay (yes, a Christian, but obviously choosing to live a lifestyle of sin), and he explained that he had feeling of being attracted to boys since 2nd or 3rd grade. Do we really choose our sexuality that young? I just don’t know…I automatically was attracted to boys (I’m a women) at that young age when we start prepubescence, but I can’t explain how a child so young could know the difference and “choose” to be gay…do they even know what gay is?

      On the other hand, I knew a woman who said the same thing about being attracted to women at a young age, but when she was saved, she stop committing the sins of the flesh that go with that lifestyle. She is still attracted to women, but she doesn’t act on that lust. So I guess someone like that is acknowledging that what they are doing is wrong, repenting, and trying not to lust and asking forgiveness when they do.

      Just something to think about, like I said, I’m still trying to figure out the answer to this one. But I think the most important thing, wether it‘s a choice or they’re born that way, is that as a Christian we repent and strive to sin no more, meaning they would need to give up that lifestyle and try to control the lust in their hearts, and ask forgiveness when they do lust. (Please don’t attack me for this, I’m just trying to get us to think a little!)

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    • NFYRx
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:08am

      Well said oracle. I still sin everyday. I may not take it in the kiester, but I do things I am very very ashamed of, and I don’t even have to try. Everyone does no matter how much we hate it. Just like the apostle Paul did. Romans 7:15-20
      15 “For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.“ 16 ”Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.“ 17 ”So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.“ 18 ”For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.“ 19 ”For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.” 20 ‘Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.”
      He also says: “salvation through faith not by works so that no man may boast.”

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    • Mike M.
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:11am

      @FELIX_THE_INFIDEL Jesus, spoke all through the Bible about homosexuals. Since He Is God and wrote the Bible, then He is against ALL manners of sexual sins. Or are we going to throw away the whole bible and keep only the parts in red where Jesus spoke. Or is there a feud and a disagreement between God the Son and God the Father, that we haven’t heard of?

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:15am

      Rlmeals asks: “On one hand, why would God make somebody gay (born gay argument) if it’s a sin?”

      I’m not clear that God personally fashions each of us, I rather think he already setup the system and we come out based on its principles.

      Having an attraction to members of the same gender is no more a sin than having a temptation to steal a candy bar from the local market.

      Actually consumating either desire…the behavior…is the sin. All of us are tempted, most of us don’t just dive into our particular evil temptation, revel in it, and declare it a thing to be proud of like homosexuals do.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:24am

      @caitlynsdad

      Genesis 19 — Sodom — is about rape, not homoseuxality.

      Leviticus 18 & 20 are about worship, not sex. They are instructing the Hebrews NOT to follow the WORSHIP practices of the Egyptian or Canaanites, which included male prostitution and orgies.

      Romans 1, like Levticus 18 & 20, is about ritual sex practices during worship — this time IDOL worship of the false Romans gods.

      Corinthians 6:9 is mistranslated. In the orginial Greek Paul uses the word “Arsenokoitai”, which literally means “man-beds”. It no more means homosexual than “lady killer” is someone who murders women.

      Glenn Beck often says to go to original sources, but many Christians do not go and study the original Hebrew and Greek texts for what they say, and instead rely on others to translate it for them.

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    • cybercat
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:28am

      Good, caring, law abiding adults and children deserve our respect and support. Jesus is a personal savior. If He wishes to make an issue out of it in a person‘s life that’s up to Him. He left us with only 2 commands love God and love our neighbors.

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    • Citizen
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:32am

      For my fellow christians , You can be homosexual and be christian.

      is that what God wants ? no

      homosexuality is a sin, but as scripture says if guilty of one sin you are guilty of all. think on that

      the person should not condone homosexuality and not practice it and should seek to rid themselves of it, but if a sin ruled us out none of us would be christian.

      Now if these people are saying God is ok with you actively practicing homosexuality then that is far different.

      But someone could struggle with it and yet still be a christian. so to you stone throwing christians you better get to know the Holy Spirit more and he will instruct you. If you are guilty of one sin you are guilty of all (go look it up in scripture)- so yes lumped in with every dirty sin you yourself do is homosexuality, no difference but many of you want to pick and choose what are the worst sins when they all lead to death.

      so many of you who think homosexuality rules you out of being christian, pride rules you out even more.

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    • Jim S
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:35am

      why is it people think that their opinion matters?

      I have no idea, but why did you post yours ? Guess you think your opinion matters. I agree with you but be self aware. You can‘t say opinions don’t matter and then post yours’.

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    • ltb
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:43am

      As Christians, it’s not our job to judge other people, rather it’s our job to share the love of God that led Him to come to earth as Jesus to be crucified for our sins. I get a little irritated when I hear Christians harping on homosexuality, as if it is somehow the most heinous of sins. I’ve known a lot of people in the gay community and to a person, they have been hurt deeply by something that happened to them as children (e.g., abandonment, molestation, etc.). To constantly make them feel even more unworthy as human beings, by viewing them with disgust, is an affront to the simple, yet awesome, message of Christ. In case any of my brothers and sisters in Christ has forgotten, we are no more deserving of God’s love than the most promiscuous homosexual and to make them feel they are somehow less worthy of God’s love, destroys the gospel with legalism.

      On the flip side, I wish people would stop broadcasting their sexual preferences to the world. If you enjoy having sex with people of your gender, who cares? Such things are private matters that should be kept behind closed doors. Personally, I don’t want to know about what’s going on in anyone’s bedroom and I certainly don’t want children being taught that sex outside of marriage is acceptable, unless their parents are the ones providing that misguided advice. While I strongly disagree with parents who advise their children to have sex outside of a monogamous male/female marriage, it’s not really my business. That is, unless they make it my business by demanding that schools, which are funded with my tax dollars, teach about alternative lifestyles. It is not society’s responsibility, nor is it the government’s prerogative to teach children about sexual matters in public schools, period.
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      “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” (Mt 7:5).

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    • ME
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:47am

      It is called an abomination in the bible not the person but the sin. Well I guess it depends on what waterdown bible you call a bible seem you make it say anything you want now days erase a line here add one there change this change that “bam” Jesus and the twelve apostles where really just a group of gay men hanging out and Mohammad (rest in hell) was there with them. (that is all sarcasm but the rest in hell part) Why beleive in God if you are just going to make him in your image? I will not condem a homosexual but done ask me to buy into your lie that it belongs in christianity.

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    • Mike M.
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:49am

      @TMARENDS Wow! All this time we and all the jewish scholars and the church have been wrong for over four to five thousand years. Thank you for giving us all new revelation. Let’s see. Lev. 18:22, “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a women; that is detestable.” Oh yeah, that means worship. Lev. 20:13, “” ‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” Sure that also means worship. For your information these chapters of the Bible are instructions to Moses as to the standards for the people. (Unlawful Sexual Relations) I know that people (Homosexuals) love to turn and twist these verses into something they’re not, in order to excuse their behavior. But no matter how they or you try, it isn’t so. Only Homosexual pastors, priests… come up with this new so called revelations. Which hebrew or greek manuscripts have you been reading. Published by G.L.A.D.?

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    • jzs
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:53am

      We live in evil times. The bible is quite explicit about not only the evil of homosexuality but the PUNISHMENT. “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death…” (Leviticus 20:13). There are other crimes AND punishments clearly specified in the Bible we have forgotten about. If a priest’s daughter fornicates she “shall be burned to death.” (Leviticus 21:9). If a woman is not a virgin on her wedding night, she must be stoned to death at her father’s door. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19). Followers of other religions shall be stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12).

      Does no one read the Bible anymore? Are you unbelievers??? Why to we mention the crime without the punishment spelled out in the Holy Book?

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    • ltb
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 11:57am

      Rlmeals – I don’t mean this in a self-righteous way at all, but it is so very rare that I come across another Christian and think, “Now that person definitely knows Jesus.” You are a very wise and compassionate person.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:09pm

      @tmarends
      I think you’re overreading the significance of the context in which the sin is committed, as if it’s only the setting or the specific historical details that God is concerned with.

      The term “paiderastis,” which you suggest Paul should have used if wanted to condemn homosexuality, refers specifically to pederasty, not homosexuality in the broader sense. That is exactly why he uses the word “arsenokoitai.” You’re also overlooking how in Rom. 1:27, Paul condemns sexual intercourse of “arsenes en arsenes,“ which means ”males with males.”

      Your analysis sounds suspiciously similar to the naysaying of those who wish to question the virgin birth by saying that the Hebrew word “almah” means “young woman of marriagable age” rather than “virgin.” Of course, in ancient Israel, a “young woman of marriagable age” had **better** mean a virgin, or she would have been stoned.

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    • Mike M.
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:17pm

      @LTB that is the type of mentality that has made this country and society in general, go down on a spiral downfall. “We are not to judge”, “who cares what others do”, each it’s own, as long as it’s not hurting me. Doesn‘t bother you that God’s heart is broken because of what’s going on. Doesn’t bother you that “we are to have the mind of Christ” but we have exchanged it for the worlds wisdom? Are we as Christians gatekeepers of the truth? Are we in a battle (Spiritual) for the souls of men, or just going through life, minimizing their sin for political correctness, not caring for the homosexual. Is that what God wants. Silent, milk-toast christians?

      Romans 13:11,12
      11. “And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.”

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    • olsro
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:19pm

      Felix:
      “Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior.” Jesus did in fact teach that sex was to be
      in the context of marriage relationships (specifically between a man and a woman See
      Matthew 19:5-12)
      i. Note he says that Marriage bond (cleaving) was between a man and a woman v5
      ii. Note that the only thing to dissolve that bond was sexual sin (In this context this would
      include homosexuality)
      iii.Note that the only other option for sexual activity is abstaining from sex v12
      iv. Either sex between a husband and wife or no sex at all seems to cover same sex
      behavior by default so Jesus did deal with the subject albeit only in what options there are for sex rather than what options were not. (for example Jesus never talked about bestiality either, but that does not make it moraL)

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:22pm

      LTB blathers mindlessly: “It’s not our job to judge other people, rather it’s our job to share the love of God that led Him to come to earth as Jesus to be crucified for our sins.”

      Really. So you’re saying that in your judgement, we have one job that precludes another job….as you judge things…and that as far as you can judge the superior path is to follow the way you judge best…namely, not judging. Is that how you judge things?

      LTB blathers mindlessly: “I get a little irritated when I hear Christians harping on homosexuality, as if it is somehow the most heinous of sins.”

      So as near as you can judge, Christians who harp about homosexuality should be judged harshly by those who…in your judgement…are superior Christians due to their refusal to judge. That’s your judgement on this matter?

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    • ltb
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:37pm

      Mike: I am not advocating milk-toast Christianity, I am saying that we need to stop deriding people in the gay community and that homosexuals need to stop throwing their lifestyles in the faces of Christians. You may feel comfortable going around condemning other people’s sin, but it’s probably a safe guess that you’ve committed half a dozen sins today already, I’m sure I have too. At any rate, if you truly want to bump this fight up into the spiritual realm, then start praying for people who are slaves to their lust to be drawn to Jesus so they can be saved and if you truly want to glorify Jesus, then start treating these people like Jesus treated the adulteress (Jn 8:1-11). Meanwhile, continue to demand that our schools be free from sex education, unless it teaches abstinence until monogamous heterosexual marriage.

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    • ltb
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:39pm

      Prospero – perhaps if you knew Jesus, you would understand what I was saying.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:41pm

      @Tmarends
      So, if I understand you correctly, the context or setting in which a sin happens is more important than the sin itself? What exegetical school does this kind of analysis represent?

      Also, you suggest that if Paul were to condemn homosexuality, he should have used the word “paiderastis.” However, the word “paiderastis”–as it sounds–refers specifically to pederasty, not homosexuality in the broad sense. That is precisely why Paul uses the more inclusive word “arsenokoitai.” You also speak of the use of this word in 1 Corinthians and Timothy, but overlook Paul’s use of it in Romans 1:27, where he specifically condemns the intercourse of “arsenes en arsenes,“ which means ”men with men.”

      You remind me of those overwrought Higher Critics who deny the prophecy of the virgin birth by saying that the Hebrew word “almah” in Isaiah 7:14 means “young woman of marriagable age” instead of “virgin.” Of course, that overlooks the fact that in ancient Israel, a “young woman of marriagable age” had **better** be a virgin, or she would have been stoned.

      The art of translation is not exact, and you can never translate literally from one language into another. One should never use that inconvenient fact as an excuse for pontificating God’s commands out of the Bible.

      [Sorry if this ends up as a repost.]

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:46pm

      Well, JTB, perhaps if you owned a pair of testicles you’d simply admit how stupid you were to say something so nonsensical. But I understand your need for an empty platitude, as a substitute….

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    • ltb
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:52pm

      Prospero, when I run into someone like you, I am reminded of the following verse:

      “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Mt 7:21-23)

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    • Citizen
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:55pm

      Judging – to judge a sin which means to know it is eveil is a good judgment and is uspposed to be done

      judging – to judge the sinner and say – oh hes going to heaven or hell or he is vile cause he sins – that is wrong judgment

      john 7;24 – judge not according to the appearance, but judge rightous judgment

      Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
      Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

      as far as people being born – homosexual – let me give you scripture which covers it perfectly

      1: And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his
      birth.

      2: And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or
      his parents, that he was born blind?

      3: Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but
      that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 12:59pm

      @Tmarends
      By the way, I don’t know if my answer to your post will ever show up (it’s been a while now), but I should point out to the rest of those on this forum that it’s plagiarized. Found it word for word on the Language Link web site under the title “Is there Translation Ambiguity.” So your little gambit of accusing **me** of not having studied Greek and Hebrew seems to have fallen flat, hasn’t it?

      As Glenn says, in the Internet Age you can’t get away with stuff like this.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:01pm

      Tmarends propagandizes: “The Bible isn’t clear about [homosexuality]”

      The Bible is quite clear about everything having to do with sex. Sexual relations are only sanctioned within the sanctity of marriage, defined as one man and one woman.

      All other sexual behavior is fornication, about which the Bible is abundantly clear. Kindly refrain from any further obfuscation, thank you.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:09pm

      “It is impossible to be a follower of the messiah and be gay”? Unbelievable – can you show me where Christ said that – where did Christ say “you can not follow me and be gay!!” The term for homosexual in the Bible as been translated several times and in the original language it was written in, the word means “older men paying younger males for sex” The word homosexual today and the word as originally written have entirely different meanings! Again please show me where Christ say “you can not follow me and be gay”. This is fear mongering and hatred which only divides people and there is too much of this in our country. Gay vs straight, progressives vs conservatives, Democrats vs Republicans, Teaparty vs everyone else, blacks vs whites, birthers vs Obama – and on and on – we are turning into a country of hate – if you don’t believe what I believe or vote like I do then I hate you – this is what we are becoming and this is doing to destroy America faster than any recession or war on terror. This is not what Christ taught – and this is not what America is all about. We have to stop this fear based society that we are becoming.. I like Glenn but he is all about spreading fear – making us afraid of everything – Fabian Socialism, Hindenburg Omen, Kenyan worldview, New World Order – there is darkness coming – good God – save me from all this fear mongering and hatred! http://wp.me/pYLB7-bg

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    • ltb
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:15pm

      Prospero – Actually, it seems as though God’s intent for sex is solely for procreation; therefore, any sex other than Missionary Style intercourse by married spouses for the purpose of conception is unnatural and a perversion of God’s intent. That being the case, people who have recreational sex with their spouses should think twice about plucking splinters out of their brothers’ eyes, when it comes to condemning perverted sex.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:15pm

      @Tmarends
      Okay, Tmarends, my response to you is at the top of page 2.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:17pm

      @caitlynsdad

      I use those definitions as the clearest and easiest to understand. If someone wants further research I am happy to provide it to them.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:28pm

      @Tmarends
      Can’t speak for others on the forum, but I’ve done the research.

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    • Prospero
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 1:34pm

      LTB blathers moronically: “Actually, it seems as though God’s intent for sex is solely for procreation”

      Your abject ignorance of the Bible does not constitute a flaw in my position, LTB.

      Kindly review the “Song of Solomon”, then get back to me….

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    • Mike M.
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 2:06pm

      @LTB First of all, I’m not ridiculing anyone here. I’m only quoting scripture and how God feels about the sin of homosexuality. If it offends anyone as to how God feels by quoting scripture, then so be it. We all fall short, and we all are sinners saved by grace. that does not nullify the message that God has for us all and the preaching of the Gospel. We are to warn everyone of the coming judgement and Homosexuals are included in the warning. If you think that by quoting scripture to them is some sort of ridicule, then I guess God is also at fault. You seem to love the “plank in the eye” so much. Tell us then, who is capable or have the authority to preach the gospel?

      “Actually, it seems as though God’s intent for sex is solely for procreation; therefore, any sex other than Missionary Style intercourse by married spouses for the purpose of conception is unnatural and a perversion of God’s intent.”

      Wrong again. God intended sex for procreation and something to be enjoyed between a man and a woman. The enemy has defiled and perverted what God intended, with the sin of homosexuality, as he has done with other things that God intended for us to enjoy freely. Music, sex,…

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    • Jamestown
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 2:58pm

      WASHBURN….GET YOUR HAND OFF OF MY LEG…NOW…

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    • ltb
      Posted on October 7, 2010 at 2:58pm

      Mike – I’m never offended by scripture and am not quite sure why you keep arguing with me, because I clearly do not condone homosexuality. Let’s take two Christians: One Christian tells people in the gay community that sex outside of marriage is a sin, that we are all sinners in need of a Savior and that the really great news is Jesus died for our sins if we will just go to him and accept God’s free gift of pardon; another Christian tells people in the gay community that they are perverts who are going to Hell if they don’t repent. While the latter Christian may well be telling the truth, is that really the “almost too good to be true” (i.e., gospel) news of Christ crucified and to which Christian do you think more people in the gay community will listen?

      If Jesus gets into the heart of a sinner, he will take care of the sins in that person’s life. Do I love the “plank in the eye”? You bet I do, because I know how difficult it is to live in this world, love a perfect God and try to live up to the impossible standard He set through Jesus. Like Paul, I would classify myself as being among “worst of sinners” (1 Tim 1:15) and for that reason I cling to Jesus with everything I can muster.

      Regarding my comments about missionary style sex, I was trying to make people think, because if anyone in this world says he is without sin he is a liar (1 Jn 1:8). The key to returning America back to a morally sound society isn’t self-righteously condemning other people for their sins, it’s getting Jesus into their hearts.

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    • caitlynsdad
      Posted on October 8, 2010 at 12:14am

      Walk With Me 1966, like Jmarends before him, tries to confuse us all with appeals to “what the Bible says in the original Greek.” Unfortunately, he has all the facts backward. He claims that the word the Bible translates as “homosexuals” actually means “older men who pay younger men for sex.” Wrong. The word that means “older men who pay younger men for sex” is paiderastis, which is the very word from which we get the English word pederast. But that’s not the word St. Paul uses. He uses the word arsenokoitai, which is an all-encompassing term to mean homosexuality itself, rather than some specific form of it. You can read my other posts on pages 1 and 2, where I am responding specifically to Jmarends’ attempts to pull the wool over our eyes with the same falsehood.

      All this business you often hear about “well, in the original Greek it says”–is nothing more than an attempt to stymie the Christian, whom his interlocutor supposes knows no Greek and will therefore be floored by such an impressive show of scholarship. Walk With Me and Jmarends stumbled into the wrong forum today for that kind of nonsense.

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    • blackdog911
      Posted on October 8, 2010 at 5:54am

      DITTO read Leviticus 18: 15-18

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    • ThePest
      Posted on October 10, 2010 at 3:02pm

      I am constantly amazed by hypocrisy and even in these times of great understanding of our universe, science, psychology, and even biblical study that so many will argue ad nauseam their individual belief in something without the slightest personal research, into what they are arguing about, and always missing the big picture and more often than not the whole point entirely.
      The debate is not what the bible says about sex, nor ****/hetero sexuality or anything of the kind.
      The Bible is about God, not sex.
      Yet here I sit reading the uninformed chatter of an argument that did not start in biblical times, but rather one of the last century or so and not much earlier.
      So for the interest of anyone who desires a tidbit of enlightenment I suggest [as Glenn Beck does so fervently] actually do your own research and stop arguing. and when you have done so, setting aside your prejudice and bias as God would have you do, and seek the truth from the original sources, and always keeping in mind the CONTEXT and time in which those sources were written and for what purpose they were written at all.

      So many posts here are filled with hateful tone it is truly distasteful reading. Constantly quoting this or that with no context whatsoever. I doubt the bible is meant to be taken one verse at a time, just as our Constitution should not be read out of context, it is that most things should be viewed on the whole, as the sum of their parts to gain any understanding at all.

      While I am loath to do likewise, I will throw in only paraphrased comment and a link to help those who would seek actual knowledge instead of baseless opinion from 2nd if not many archaic sources.

      Judge not lest ye be judged.

      http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian

      The Truth is a [Pesty] thing, seek it out or be run over by the traffic of falsehood.

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