Christian Teen Allegedly ‘Censored’ & ‘Punished’ Over Anti-Gay Adoption Newspaper Op-Ed
- Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:47pm by
Billy Hallowell
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A Wisconsin school district is under fire after reportedly responding harshly to an op-ed written by a 15-year-old high school student.
The anti-gay adoption article, penned by Brandon Wegner, a Christian, ignited intense debate in the district. According to lawyers defending Wegner, he was “censored” and “punished” by school officials following the publication of his article. Some people in the district, though, claim the article, itself, constituted “bullying.”
The contentious piece was written for “The Hawk’s Post,” a student-led newspaper. In it, Wegner highlighted his Christian worldview on marriage and adoption, expressing his view that children are best off being raised in families with a mother and father. A portion of the article (read a PDF version here) reads:
“If one is a practicing Christian, Jesus states in the Bible that homosexuality is (a) detestable act and sin which makes adopting wrong for homosexuals because you would be raising the child in a sin-filled environment.
A child adopted into homosexuality will get confused because everyone else will have two different-gendered parents that can give them the correct amount of motherly nurturing and fatherly structure. In a Christian society, allowing homosexual couples to adopt is an abomination.”
The Christian Post reports about the situation:
He cited various authorities and sources, including Scripture, in defense of his opinions. Wegner argued that children raised in an environment in which the mother and father are present had the best chance for success and that homosexual adoption should be prohibited. His article was released in conjunction with an opposing viewpoint provided by another student, Maddie Marquardt, also “The Hawk’s Post” copy editor. Marquardt countered in her argument that gay couples should be able to adopt because the foster system is broken and children need a two-parent home.
Also, it should be noted that controversial bible verses — most notably Leviticus 20:13 — were included in the article. It reads, “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
It was his rejection of same-sex adoption and the inclusion of controversial verses that led a Nick Uttecht, a gay parent, to file a complaint with the district. Uttecht claimed that the expressed views in the article “constituted as hate speech” and could potentially “cause kids to commit suicide.” The complaint sparked quite a response from officials.
What happened next, critics say, was unfair treatment of Wegner by Shawano School District officials. Following the complaint, the district released a formal statement apologizing for the publication of the column.
“We sincerely apologize to anyone we may have offended and are taking steps to prevent items of this nature from happening in the future,” CP quotes the statement as reading.
In addition to the statement, the school’s principal allegedly told Wegner, “in a public school, you can‘t use the Bible as a source because we can’t impose our religious beliefs on other people.” He purportedly also said:
“…the school newspaper is not the place to be talking about your religious beliefs at your age…because of this article you can’t write about religion, politics, or social issues in the school paper.”
Liberty Counsel, a non-profit, Christian law firm decided to take up Wegner’s case, calling the district’s treatment of him “shocking” and “outrageous” (they also dubbed it a form of bullying). On the group’s site, the following is written about how the group responded to the situation:
Liberty Counsel sent a letter to school officials at Shawano High School after they censored and punished Brandon Wegner, a 15-year-old, for writing an op-ed article explaining the Biblical view of homosexuality and supporting natural mother-father adoption. The letter demands that the school apologize for its unconstitutional and irrational censorship and humiliation of Brandon. [...]
The First Amendment protects the opinions of all, including student journalists. The bullying at Shawano High School is by Superintendent Todd Carlson and the school officials, not the student, Brandon Wegner. The school officials have displayed blatant intolerance of a view on homosexuality held by many people. The school’s actions are shocking and unjustified. The superintendent should immediately apologize and stop the bullying.
Clearly, this is a battle over values, with both sides maintaining that the other has violated moral and ethical guidelines. Whether the district will, indeed, apologize is yet to be seen, but it’s unlikely this issue will simmer unless individuals from both sides strike some sort of agreement. Legal action may be on the horizon.
(H/T: Christian Post)
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Locked
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:27pmDon’t see it as bullying, but definitely see it as unfair. If they wanted an OPINION/EDITORIAL, they need to accept his OPINION/EDITORIAL. Fail school is fail; hopefully the kid takes up a suit against them (though I’m not sure on what grounds… that he felt threatened? To allow his continued use of the Bible to support his opinions?).
Either way, I disapprove of the school’s actions.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:38pmi‘m glad people aren’t allowed to have their own opinions and thoughts today… whew… can you imagine if they did? lol.. wow.. we would be in trouble… not like today, where everything is 100% pefect because we CHOOSE to ignore history, economics and personal responsibility.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:46pm“A Wisconsin school district….”
Need I say more?
Report Post »D-WOOD
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:56pm“OP-ED” doesn’t mean “Opinion-Editorial.“ It means ”Opposite of the Editorial Page.” So this kid’s Christian article is perfectly fitting, seeing as how it’s the opposite of the government-run school’s editorial page (which takes an authoritarian, Anti-First Amendment stance).
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:18pmIt seems more like blatant intolerance of Christian beliefs.
Report Post »USAF2003
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:48pmOH NO! Hurry and apologize, we offended the 1 queer! Give me a break, your offending me by apologizing to the **** community.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 9:48pmI do not argue with anyone about my stand on homosexuality. I AM GOING TO LET GOD SORT THEM ALL OUT, which won’t be too hard, since their names won’t be written in HIS book of life, IF they CONTINUE TO PRACTICE THEIR SEXUAL DEVIANCE. God will handle it, I am positive of that. What I do not like is having to pay for their lifestyles (benefits). I HATE AND LOATHE having to pay for someone’s abortion.
BUT, THAT’S OK. God will take care of it, in due time.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 10:14pmThere’s the hate crime law… with the gay agenda behind it from the get-go. It’s nothing but a loaded gun pointed straight at christians to silence our evil intolerant beliefs.
Report Post »philp60
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 10:49pmFirst Amendment is easily his grounds for suit, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press. What more is needed?
Report Post »B_rad
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 11:41pmOf course it’s not bullying! To express his point of view is perfectly OK and protected by law. This is exactly what is wrong with the gay left. They demand tolerance of their viewpoint w/o giving it to anyone who disagrees with them. UG. I’m gay, and I mostly agree with the kid that children are best served when raised by a loving mother and father. I find it disgusting when people, gay AND straight, intentionally create children to be raised w/o the juxtaposition created by a man and a woman; obviously, tragic and unforeseen circumstances excepted. That said, I find it equally ridiculous to prevent a loving gay couple, or even a single person, from adopting children who have tragically been left without parents. It’s ignorant to believe our mostly inadequate, sometimes horrible foster care system is somehow preferable to giving children to two loving, stable people who happen to be gay. I would never believe the church-provided services should be forced to place children against their beliefs, but likewise the state should not be forced to exclude giving children to good, qualified people based on church doctrine. How is it somehow preferable for children to be raised by foster care, jumping from house to house, sometimes ending up with bad people who are strictly after the paycheck? Bottom line: infants should always be given to loving, mom and dad families whenever possible. Preference should always be given to the ideal, but anyone should be allowed to rescue kids.
Report Post »Timwi
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 1:35amI support the school in this. But I blame the school as well. The town where this article was written is a little, tiny up north town in Wisconsin. Everybody knows everybody and I bet there is only the one gay family in the school where the article was written. It’s not the kids fault (there are four kids I believe) who the parents are. The kids shouldn’t have to go to school and read that their parents will be damned and the other horrible things that were written. The article was clearly inappropriate for a school paper- where in the world was the teacher supervision??? None of us have any idea if the kid who wrote the article fully intended to bully and humiliate the children of this gay couple- who he must know given the size of the community. If you saw a picture of the kids and the parents you wouldn’t want the kids to have any rougher a road than they already have.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 1:49amOkay, so the Bible says, ” “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
The Bible is plenty clear on that point. Homosexuals must be put to death. Those are the Words of God. God also says, “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”
So where’s the wishy-washy wet rag confusion? God himself said “they shall be put to death.” So God commanded us. So, like, why are we debating gay marriage when God has spoken so clearly on this issue? Did God change his mind? Did God have a change of heart? When God spoke those words was he joking?
Report Post »itot
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 5:44amPoint without counterpoint.
Report Post »THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!
grannyrecipe
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 6:37amYou know what…these goofy liberals are gonna have pretty big eye’s on the day the “Sleeping Giant” awakes again. We have been too kind and tolerant and now the enemy has gained more strongholds in conquering our nation.
To you liberals; consider your ideals. Did the founding fathers think like you? How about the American people in the 1800′s? Or the 1950′s? You liberals are alien to this country.
Report Post »MYHEROISRON
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 9:15amLiberal Marxist’s hate the truth. The Wisconsin school board needs to be beaten.
Report Post »caveman74
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 9:23amwait, so Christian viewpoints can not be shared with others who do not believe in them but sexual viewpoints must be crammed down our gullets? You silly gay people, once the family unit (the first form of government) has been successfully destabilized by the progressives do you really think you are safe? Ask yourselves, does a government that requires “worker bees” to produce to fill the coffers really have any use for a family model that can not create new workers? You are being used to show kids how intolerant and evil mom and dad are so they will turn to the government for answers, and once your usefulness has expired…well…
Report Post »I wonder what kind of AIDS treatment is included in obamacare (remember the Dems. were pushing for preventative treatment to help reduce cost. What does preventative treatment mean when talking about the AIDS epidemic in the homosexual population? The devil is in the details people, wake up and pay attention to what they are really saying) Just my thoughts
caveman74
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 10:01amJZS you have to look at old testament as a whole. The old testament also says And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. Genesis 9:5
Report Post »and, Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Genesis 9:6 and
I am not seeing the old testament telling anyone to kill anybody. But rather God know the nature of man and is putting forth a warning, and as genesis 9:5 clearly states if anyone sheds the blood of man they will have to answer for it to the one who can grant eternal life or deny it. But bringing up old testament is silly, Old testament is history. The new covenant (the Crucifixion and resurection) is the law. Can we say gays are not saved? No we cant anymore than we can say someone who lies to his wife about weather he had a cheeseburger for lunch or not is not saved. We as humans can never stop sinning, and all sin es equally detestable in the lords eyes no matter how big or small. A lot of christians forget that and judge and hate the homosexual community forgetting that God calls us to not judge but to speak the truth in love
Roberto G. Vasquez
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 10:48am@ LOCKED
Well I’ll say one thing about this school police: It sucks!
Report Post »SpeckChaser
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 11:28am@caveman
Nice post. JZS has been informed of that dozens of times since he started here. He incorrectly thinks it makes a point so he keeps repeating it.
Its no different than a child claiming 2+2=5, being corrected every time he says it, only to continue in ignorance. Best thing you can do is pray the Lord removes his blinders and he listens to the word instead of trying to discredit it.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 12:00pmHey JZS
Look at that.
It’s so simple……..even a caveman gets it.
Report Post »Truthbeliever2
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 12:58pmJZS will not be back to argue Cavemans logic, because he can’t. He just figured he would take a few jabs at Christianity, and run away. Not to mention the fact that everyone and their brother has heard that bible verse tak’n out of context. A simple jab at Christ from a simple person. He’s gotten his jabs in, and now he’s gone. Big surprise.
Me personally I like to jab JZS when i get the chance, because he is a punk liberal, and it’s fun…
Report Post »T132021
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 1:44pmIf you can say that Homosexuals can‘t adopt because two men or two women can’t raise a child due to deficiency of opposite gender influence on the child, then it is just as easy to argue that a single mother, single father, Aunt, Uncle, Grandma, Grandpa etc. should not be allowed to raise a child or adopt on their own or alternatively paired because it sways away from common expectations of what a “Normal Healthy” house hold should be. This is a very poor formed argument. I applaud his efforts to have his voice heard, but there is a time and place for everything and that was not the way to do it.
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho (Creator vindicator)
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 4:54pmCan someone show me where “jesus” said homosexuality is wrong? I can show you clearly in the “old testament”. But I thought all the “old” Laws were done away with at the cross? Funny how the only Laws the christians want to keep are tithing and anti-gay laws. Beck went on a tithing of ten percent rant yesterday. Giving your money for charity is great but there is no tithing Law for money. The only ones that were commanded to tithe were farmers and herders. 10% of their increase, that is, FOOD!
Beck once again you clearly lie. But that is what “jesus” is… a lie. The image of the beast(rome).
Yeshua is The Messiah. I know it sounds so Jewish but don’t be scared. You wouldn’t even make an illegal immigrant change is name.
Ah the christian contradiction.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 11:08pm@Therightsofbilly
“To JeZuS ”Even a caveman gets it”…….”
I was drinking some hot tea while reading that…. thanks, I have to clean my LCD screen now. {:>)
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on January 29, 2012 at 12:45amIsn’t the school (bullying) him?
Report Post »NoTrashTalkHere
Posted on January 29, 2012 at 8:59amYou can have your own opinions and thoughts just as long as they communicate liberal ideas and ideology.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on January 29, 2012 at 10:27amYo Dtom_Jerhico:
Jesus came to FULLFILL the Law,
we do not THROW AWAY the OT,
the ENTIRE bible is the WORD or GOD,
the WORD is Jesus
many places in the NT speak of sexual immorality (gay) and almost every place where a list is given of those things that prevent a person from entering the Kingdom Of Heaven it is on it !
Also in Romans it speaks to the issue exactly … Paul spoke the words of Christ.
There is NO christian contradiction … just a lack of understanding.
Report Post »If you understood, you would know this.
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 9:36amUSA, if there were only “1 queer” to offend and the rest of the school held these same beliefs, then it was bullying. He was obviously singling out the “1 queer”. I‘d support this kid more if he were to have told everyone else they were going to hell becuase the other laws in Leviticus weren’t being followed such as: anyone committing adultery shall be stoned to death, prohibition against round haircuts, tattoos, working on the Sabbath, wearing garments of mixed fabrics, eating pork or shellfish (I guess the Muslims and Jews have that one right?), getting your fortune told, and playing with the skin of a pig (there goes football).
Seems like just another indoctrinated cherry picker to me. Perhaps he can’t help it. The poor kid must have an IQ of around 80.
Report Post »WiTy42
Posted on February 1, 2012 at 9:28am@TimWi you said “…you wouldn’t want the kids to have any rougher a road than they already have.”
Just as a Christian should “count the cost” before following Christ, so too should everyone that engages in any behavior at all realize that there ARE consequences. Some worse than others. And if someone’s feelings are hurt in being told what those consequences are, then that is their own problem – not that of the person warning them. If someone’s conscience condemns them, it’s really very immature and telling to blame someone else.
In a sense, this is also what Master Wegner signed up for when he entered on the path of following Jesus Christ (assuming that his argument wasn’t just using scripture to support his feelings on the subject). The Savior said “Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake : for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”. He also said that we MUST by much tribulation, enter the kingdom of heaven. So we needn’t feel sorry for him either. Rather encourage him to stand strong.
The truth – no matter where it comes from – can hurt. That is a lesson that this generation is being kept from – at the very peril of their souls.
Report Post »normbal
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:26pmWhen I joined the army in the 1970s homosexuality was illegal.
When I retired in the 1990s it was tolerated.
I’m just glad I got the hell out before it became mandatory.
Gotta love those homophiles (or they’ll censure or jail you).
Report Post »USAMEDIC3008
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:45pmGives new meaning to
Report Post »All The Way Sir.
AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:03pmWind those dates back 120 years and replace homosexuality with slavery and you have the worldview of backwoods American conservatism in a nutshell, it hasn’t changed much.
shimauma
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 9:04pmAndYetItMoves you need to understand the difference is that slavery was not a lifestyle CHOICE! Those people were forced into being slaves, by some of their own countrymen in fact, Africans selling Africans. The deviant homosexual lifestyle is a CHOICE made by mentally perverted people who are forcing their deviancy into the limelight so they don’t feel guilty for it. Slavery was defeated by right thinking people, hopefully homosexual deviancy will be too and ALL they will have in common is just being bad trends.
Report Post »normbal
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 9:56pm@ Shimauma: “The deviant homosexual lifestyle is a CHOICE made by mentally perverted people who are forcing their deviancy into the limelight so they don’t feel guilty for it”
Exactly. Thanks for that. The line “and the conviction of the Lord was upon them,” keeps coming to mind here. I believe homosexuals KNOW, deep down, what they are doing is a choice, is wrong, but they defend the indefensible instead of coming to terms with their decisions. Much like drug ad alcohol addicts I’ve worked with over the years professionally. Everyone else is to blame for their condition than themselves when you listen to them whine. They are “convicted” by the Lord and no amount of “projecting” is going to change their existence. Forcing the rest of us to “accept” them may be a short-term fix, but of no lasting value.
Report Post »VinnieCCT
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 11:57pm@AndYetItMoves
So what you are saying is that conservatives were stupid and backwoods because they hated slavery? Wow, just wow.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 12:00amAt the risk of sounding redundant, I’ll just copy/paste below my earlier response to an equally delirious religious fascist, here you go:
Report Post »My rational response is this: Homosexuality is obviously not a choice, who would choose to endure the slings and arrows of outrageous idiocy from people like yourself for an entire lifetime if they had any other choice? Your fear of homosexuality undermines your capacity to think about the subject reasonably, and manifests itself as hate, yes, hate. There’s no other word for it, and I agree that things will only get worse until people that share your worldview are in a museum alongside the neanderthal.
StonyBurk
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 7:22amHomophils/Heterophobes ? I sent an e-mail to a Psych Professor at UW who made an incredibly stupid comment in the Press Gazette. a week later I get e-mail from a Campus Cop wanting to ask me questions. I don’t mind answering any questions.But I had to dig through my junk to find out what I might have said to some Campus cop asking questions. So I sent -email letter to the editor of the Press Gazette. Saying the Reprobate Psych Professer has nothing to fear but fear itself and she acted typical to reprobate I’ve ever known. That Press Gazette had done an editorial saying the kid was wrong to use the school paper to express his opinion. And hoped for a teachable moment where the kid could learn to be more gay friendly.He deserves our support for standing on what he believes.
Report Post »caveman74
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 9:38amAndYetItMoves…Who would choose to suffer Prison for crimes committed, who would choose the loss of family job and health just to get drunk or high, who would choose to risk injury or death for the adrenalin rush of idiotic activity like swimming with sharks or base jumping? So in your worldview there is no consequence for behavior because what ever you do you were born to do? If you ever get robbed I assume you will not be calling the police because the robber cant help what he does, I mean who would “choose” what follows a robbers actions right? The thinking that aligns with neanderthal man is that one must have sex whenever and with whatever one wants. Remove God from the equation (I am a christian) in an animal with higher reasoning, and emotional capacity sex is for reproduction, physical contact shows intimacy. As a heterosexual I can show intimacy to other men (hand shake, hug accompanied by a pat on the back etc.) with out treating them like women or having them treat me like a woman. Tell me does someone who is attracted to goats get the same free pass? After all who would choose the social shunning that comes with loving a goat? The goat lover MUST have been born that way, or is that different because it destroys your argument?
Report Post »DavidZion
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 10:09am@anditmoves
Under that argument pedophilia isn’t a choice either. Nor Necrophilia or incest for that mater.
THEY CAN’T CHOOSE EITHER according to them
Do you advocate consensual“relations” between brother sister? Father/Daughter? Are their NO unacceptable sexual relationships?
I mean NOONE would CHOOSE THAT RIGHT? They wouldn’t want the persecution that goes along with THAT lifestyle?
I’m not here to persecute Homosexuals; but I do expect the right to disagree with them in private and public. They are free to write OP EDs about how being Gay is great. Just don’t limit my right to quote scripture and be a Jesus Freak.
Report Post »GrayPanther
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 12:08pmThanks for the good laugh! Yes, recall the picture of the two lesbians kissing deeply after the Navy ship came in from a tour? With open gays in the military, now “in your face homosexuality” is approved by the Obama administration. As for Superintendent Tod Carlson of the Shawano Area School district, he should be removed from office. The report was this was a “pro” and “con” article in the school paper. What is wrong with that? More unraveling of our rights by progressives if we allow it. Look up Shawano, WI and Tod Carlson and let them know how you feel.
Report Post »CommonSense12
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 12:49pmI agree.
Report Post »toto
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:26pmFreedom of speech is not longer for everyone, just those with liberal, immoral, or amoral values. The difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives have always allowed the most obnoxious views to be expressed, not so for the liberals.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:38pmRainbows aren’t gay…. Free the Rainbows!
Report Post »There, I said it. Hope I don’t get banned from The Blaze!
bruce_baker
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:10pm“The difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives have always allowed the most obnoxious views to be expressed, not so for the liberals.”
Right. The liberals express the most obnoxious views, and want to use the force and power of the Federal government to come down on anyone who disagrees with them. Especially when they can convince otherwise decent people to go along with them. Then mob rule reigns. This is what Democracy looks like. Please, give me back my republic!
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:30pm@Bruce_Baker……”Then mob rule reigns. This is what Democracy looks like. Please, give me back my republic!”
Report Post »Bruce, I‘m afraid we’ll have to go through a civil war to take it back.
Didn’t a young girl just recently manage to have a religious poster removed from a hallway in a HS ? I forget where that was.
The attacks continue!
ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:24pm“For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)
“If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people.” (Leviticus 20:18)
“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” (Leviticus 25:44-45)
“Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.” (Leviticus 19:27)
“…do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material.” (Leviticus 19:19)
“They (shellfish) shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.” (Leviticus 11:11)
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:36pmYes, the bible and the quran have to be two of the most evil books in human history.
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. (NIV)
Leviticus 25:44
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV)
1 Timothy 2:11-12
. Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:41pm@ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:24pm
“For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)
What does it say about mommy mommy or mommy daddy or daddy daddy or daddy mommy?
Report Post »Polarized America
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:54pmModerationIsBest……………….are you trying to recruit more Atheist ?
never mind, even Jefferson cut out and edited some of the ridicules passages in the Bible
Report Post »Benjamin Abruzzo
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:58pmInteresting. Old Testement, right? Pentateuch.
Not the “Word of God” as it’d be to christianity (the New Testement), yet you certainally use it well.
I am guessing you are NOT a christian. “Athiest” perhaps? But not a GOOD “atheist”, who would read and study the source material cover to cover and make a serious argument rather than take somebody else’s selected verses from a snall section of the text.
Lazy.
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:06pm@BENJAMIN ABRUZZO
Report Post »What do you mean the so called “old-testament” is irrelevant to Christianity. It sounds hypocritical that Christians will complain that all the verses and older books in the bible is not for them; but will use them to support Jesus someway or their faith.
ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:08pm@BENJAMIN ABRUZZO
This is supposedly God’s word. I don’t care whatever the possible context is, at no point is it moral to own someone else, or to stone your kids. Fact is, the Bible consists of heavenly ordained rape and genocide, but it‘s God’s will so who are we to question God’s will? Illogical!
I laugh when people look at the pure evil found in the Bible and start talking about “context” or claim “well that’s the Old Testament.” Being part of the Old Testament doesn’t take away the fact that if God exists, he is an evil, jealous, prideful monster that isn’t worthy of praise and worship.
Also, since the claim is that Jesus IS God(to bypass that pesky 1st commandment), he is held accountable for this as well.
Anybody who is a Christian(or Mormon) is pro human sacrifice. You believe a human sacrifice was necessary on your behalf to save your “soul” from an eternal torture that you are born worthy of due to your God’s all loving, all powerful all wonderful design. This is pure evil thinking.
Report Post »D-WOOD
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:26pmYou‘re not very bright to have such strong opinions on what you don’t understand. Leviticus was the actual law for the nation of ancient Israel, and Christians are not under that law. The Timothy quote was referring to the practices in the Ephesian Church, and as indicated in other passages of the New Testament, aren’t necessarily required for all churches. Women have played a vital role in Christianity from its inception. Islam is evil, I agree on that one. But conflating biblical passages out of pure ignorance and idiocy is typical for fools who don’t know where our rights come from (i.e. Our Creator [as in the God of the Bible - the one the authors of the Declaration believed in]).
Report Post »ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:31pm@D-WOOD
No, the problem is that I GET what you believe, and think it’s evil.
If you want to say that those verses from Leviticus don’t apply, that’s all fine and well but then you have to throw out the one that calls homosexuality an abomination.
And again, I don‘t CARE when it’s written and what LAWS and WHO it was for. The fact is, this is claimed to be a holy book that is 100% true and we are supposed to derive our morals from it. Well, in this book there is heavenly ordained rape, theft, and genocide. So then what your’e saying is, all of those evil things are okay…..as long as they’re commanded from God. Illogical!
Not to mention, if you believe it was necessary for Jesus to die for your sins, you are PRO Human sacrifice. You believe Jesus had to die to save your “soul” from an eternal torture that your all loving, all knowing, all powerful God has created.
Please stop this evil thinking, open your mind and value reason, logic, common sense and rational thinking.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:36pmHey MOD
Once again, I don’t see anyone talking about passing any legislation that will create a theocracy and stuff our beliefs down your throat.
And I don‘t see you supporting anyone’s right to believe as they wish, like you always claim to do.
Are all atheists as deceptive and underhanded as you are?
You are hiding behind your shield again, (the one with the weasel crest on it).
I think BAD_ASHE is still waiting for your reply over in the “atheist temple” story.
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:39pm@ModerationIsBest
Report Post »“Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.” (Leviticus 19:27)—And your piont is?
ModerationIsBest
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:48pm@THERIGHTSOFBILLY
I never said they couldn’t believe what they wanted. Just that I thought it was evil.
Report Post »D-WOOD
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:08pmYou don’t care when it was written? That anachronistic thinking is illogical. Does that mean you don’t care about the order of Constitutional Amendments? According to your logic, the latter amendments don’t alter the previous ones. The reality is, the force of latter amendments supersede the previous ones. The New Covenant (Testament) acts as an amendment to the previous one. And sure, your not-so-clever human sacrifice/rape analogies are true, if you bastardize the definitions of those terms to satisfy your barren mind. If you consider a father pushing his child out of the way of a moving truck, so that he’ll die rather than his child, then I guess we Christians do in fact believe in “human sacrifice.” You’re talking out of pure bitterness and vapid thoughts, but the best part is, you think you’re smart. You’re a fool. All your arguments come from the bottom of your team’s playbook. I bet you’ve never had an original thought in your entire, miserable life.
Report Post »disgustedAmerican
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:34pmFor your education MODERATIONISBEST
@THERIGHTSOFBILLY
I never said they couldn’t believe what they wanted. Just that I thought it was evil.
Via your previous post @MOD
Please stop this evil thinking, open your mind and value reason, logic, common sense and rational thinking.
Look up the word hypocrite so you can stop being such an idiot
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:36pm@MOD
You have a strange way of showing your support.
Do you tell all your close Christian friends, and you Mormon family members that their beliefs are evil?
Bet that goes over well.
Let me know if you bother to respond to BAD_ASHE. I was really looking forward to it.
LOL
HAHAHAHAHAH
Give me a break
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 10:15pmWow, I can take snippets out of the Bible and post them like you. Now where is that one that talks about fools? You and DemoS__t make me laugh.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 10:16pm@D-Wood:
Report Post »YOU ARE WRONG. Jesus came to FULFILL THE LAW, not change it, add to it, but to FULFILL IT.
Try reading this one: I CORINTHIANS 6:9-11. It is New Testament and NO it is NOT just for the Corinthians of that day. also try reading Galatians 5, which explains Jesus fulfilling the LAW. Gentiles were GRAFTED into Israel’s tree, which means, we are no different than Jews. In fact, WE ARE PART OF THE APPLE OF GOD’S EYE AND HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED BY ADOPTION (EPHESIANS 1:5). If you were a Bible-study Christian, you would know that. Jesus, when we get to Heaven, will NOT call us a Gentile, we will be his brother or sister. WE WERE ADOPTED INTO ISRAEL’S TREE even though THEY (Jews) will be the only ones ruling in Heaven, over everyone. After Judgement, Jesus will hand by the Keys of life and death, heaven and hell (at his death upon the cross), to His Father. The Jews will then judge the nations, but NO ONE will care. The more you have done FOR CHRIST in serving Him, the MORE rewards you will receive and then you could rule over a multitude yourself. YUP, THERE WILL BE A HIERARCHY. Better READ your Bible.
maccow
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 10:20pmSince we are having a quote fest. Its never a good idea to quote verses trying to make some doctrinal point that is completely out of context and lacking in any historical perspective. It basically makes you at best a fool and at worst a tool of the devil.
Lets do some quoting; this is but a tiny sampling;
All men are sinners under the law both straight and homosexuals. No difference;
Report Post »Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Both **** and Heterosexuals will be judged by a righteous God according to His standard of righteousness.
Daniel 9:11 therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.
2 Thessalonians 2:12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
God provides a savior for the redemption of all who believe;
Romans 5:21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Believing is your choice.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
You go ahead and use your own wisdom. I will stick with the foolishness of God.
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, 1 Corinthians 1:27
D-WOOD
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 2:24am@ I SUPPORT GOD’S ISRAEL!
I taught the Bible for a living for over five years, you jackass. The verse you should have used was Matthew 5:17 (where Christ actually said He came to fulfill the Law, which based on your convoluted post, you obviously don’t understand).
I said the New Covenant acted as an amendment to the old one. Amend can mean to “change for the better,” which is exactly what Christ did: “But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.” (Hebrews 8:6)
I could keep writing to show how wrong some of the other things you said are, but I’m just going to stop here. I knew I shouldn’t have posted anything. It’s not worth having to read stupid comments like yours.
Report Post »DavidZion
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 9:52amJoy more Idiots who mis quote the Bible
THE LAW WAS FOR THE JEWS
THE LAW is NOT for Christians
With JESUS comes GRACE & MERCY
Mercy is you Don’t get what you DESERVE
Grace is you get what you DON”T DESERVE
Under Hebrew law Jewish homosexuals where to be put to death; OR any one living among the Jews.
TODAY Christians live under GRACE not LAW; Christians the Church are not suppose to put anyone to death. This does not apply to war or self defense or the government dispensing Justice
Report Post »ZomBrad
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 1:09pmYou’re both arguing….not even knowing that you’re in agreement! The law still applies to everyone! It’s what convicts us of sin. But because God’s standards are far too high for any human to meet…the only real answer to sin is Jesus taking our punishment for us!
Stop debating theology, and simply focus on what you, as fallen man couldn’t do….but what our merciful God did FOR us!
As for the atheist twisting scripture for your own gain…..YOUR worldview gave rise to Hitler….YOUR beloved prophet, Charles Darwin, justified racism as “minorities being less evolved”…..it’s this secular mindset that sparked the Columbine massacre!
What you’ve basically done, is taken selected parts out of a complete story, but neglected to give us the happy ending!
…..thanks for not spoiling it, I guess?? >.>
Report Post »Mannamomof4
Posted on January 29, 2012 at 12:03amVery nicely done, Maccow.
Report Post »Marengo Ohio Patriot
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:23pmjust goes to show how powerful the RainBow Coalition is……
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:23pmA couple of years ago, my daughter’s class got an assignment: to make a poster about an issue. My daughter made a poster showing a bride and a groom with the caption: “Marriage — One Man and One Woman.” The poster was put up in the hallway with all of the other posters made by the class. Her teacher was approched by an agitated student. She told the teacher that my daughter’s poster had to come down because of “separation of church and state.” The teacher told the student that they were going to allow all of the posters to stay up. Then the little brownshirt-in-training tore down my daughter’s poster.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:28pmMy condolences for your loss, ever consider that you might be crippling your daughter for life by teaching her to hate something she doesn’t understand before she can think on her own? I guess I could extend that question to all of the principles of christianity, which children are ordered to espouse before they reach the age of reason (because after that point religion has almost no chance)
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:29pm“Then the little brownshirt-in-training tore down my daughter’s poster”
… is that the end of the story? I imagine then your daughter did the right thing, went to the principal, and got the other girl suspended for destroying her project. Seems like something there should be a story on in at least the local news; do you have a link?
Report Post »DD313
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:35pmTeach your daughter to fight. My daughter was bullied by another girl in school, and I told her that sometimes you had to fight back, no matter what the consequences. She had my permission to tell her teacher or principal that I had told her this if she got in trouble. The girl pushed her, and my daughter Knocked her down. Boys who observed it complimented her on her style. It raised her self esteem, she did not get into trouble, and the bully left her alone after that.
Report Post »GBTVFan_Non_American_Overseas
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:02pm@And Yet
So for you it is ok the opposite?. I mean, it’s ok for you to teach them to embrace homosexuality from an early age….how about that?…or maybe is it ok to teach them the meaning of “fisting”? or to embrace bestiality better?
A parent is there exactly for guiding their kids in what they think it’s better for them, it’s called education, it’s called responsibility!!…parenthood!!!
Report Post »christianmom55
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:04pmGuess the school never taught what the real meaning of separation of church and state really means. It has nothing to do with the schools. Only has to do with the government telling the church what to do and dictating a certain religion. Seems alot of people get confused on this. Look it up and teach the schools
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:05pmDD313: That is, in fact, the proper way to handle bullies, and the proper way to teach your children to handle bullies. I would simply have put the notice in a certified letter to the administration so that there was a dated record of when I notified them of the problem.
The, as you say, “brownshirt-in-training” was full of sierra-hotel-india-tango. There is nothing anywhere to prohibit voluntary, individual expressions of religious faith by students in public schools. The prohibition is on school actions regarding religious faith. In truth, that art teacher would have been in violation of the student’s 1st Amendment rights if she HAD removed that one religion-based poster and left all of the others up. That is, of course, unless that one poster causes classroom disturbances. Then, it could be an issue whose solution could rise to the level of removing the one poster causing disturbances.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:06pm@ Christian Mom 55:
Report Post »And public schools, as opposed to private schools, are arms of the government, since they are paid for by general taxation. Who knew?
The-Monk
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:28pm@Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Report Post »I left you a reply back on the “Do you believe in Angels or God” article. Botttom of 1st page.
decendentof56
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:38pm@ChuckStein…..”She told the teacher that my daughter’s poster had to come down because of “separation of church and state.”
Of course, we all know that the Constitution NEVER says “separation of church and state.”
Report Post »We do know that, don’t we?
I support God's Israel!
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 9:52pmI would have kicked that child’s butt ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 2:23amTo cover some of the replies:
Report Post »(1) My daughter was a junior in high scool at the time (as for her being “crippled”, she is now in college with a National Merit Scholarship and keeping a 4.0 there like her sister before her).
(2) I know about this through the teacher who was approached by Lil’ Miss Brownshirt — he saw what happened, told my wife about it and said that he had a way he was going to deal with it. I have no idea if anything was ever done.
(3) My daughter is a very non-confrontational kind of person. She never wants to make waves, so we never pursued the matter.
(4) We are very much aware of the First Amendment in our house. The event regarding the torn-down poster became a teaching opportunity regarding the establishment clause, the right to free speech, and the “heckler’s veto” (as well as hypocrisy and “tolerance”)
bruce_baker
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:20pmThis is a country of religious freedom. What that means to the powers-that-be is that the unofficial Federally sponsored religion is secular humanism, which dictates what everybody must think and denies the existence of God. It must be promoted at every opportunity, and all other viewpoints suppressed. They don‘t have a reliable means of proving what you’re thinking, so until then you’re free to think and believe whatever you like, however, public statements supporting any other position will not be tolerated. This is what First Amendment freedom looks like in America, today.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 9:51pmWell, they can kiss my grits. And, if enough Americans stand up to them, it won’t happen on a permanent basis, any time soon, but yes, I believe it will eventually happen. I am just praying that when and if it does, I will have left in the Rapture. Then they can all roll around together in their sick deviant sexual perverted way. Homosexuality IS OF SATAN. And, anything coming from that deviant, ALWAYS creates harm and death.
Report Post »Greg8812
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:20pmAren’t they being Bigoted towards his point of view or does it only work one way? You conform to RIGHT (left) thinking or you get punished.
Report Post »topanga263
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:16pmNO, it’s just that his message is one of INTOLERANCE…for people who go about their business and bother NO ONE..except close minded people who are, for some reason, oddly obsessed with who people they don’t even know sleep with. So if a person chooses to single out an entire group of people and deny them of certain rights, that‘s called bigotry and it shouldn’t be tolerated.
Report Post »Saved Forever
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:45pmVery funny. One form of evil should be tolerated but another shouldn’t? Yeah, let’s tolerate homosexuality but not bigotry.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:06pmYeah, ok. But if you are a thinking, morally serious person you realize that homosexuality is not evil, and that religion is patently evil. I think that‘s the disconnect that’s causing all the confusion here.
Report Post »I support God's Israel!
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 10:01pmJust like I do NOT TOLERATE my children and their better halves (not married) sleeping under my roof when they come to visit (they MUST have separate bedrooms). Marriage is a sanctified (made HOLY) union of a man and a woman – NOT 2 MEN, NOT 2 WOMEN, NOT 2WOMEN AND A MAN, NOT 2 MEN AND 1 WOMAN – PERIOD. Think about WHERE THE WORD HOLY OR SANCTIFIED COMES FROM. Those persons who believe and practice sex outside the marriage, or homosexuality, will be judged by Jesus Christ. And, if they do NOT believe in the Bible and God, then I guess no one will lose anything, will they? But, if there really is a God who judges these sins, then those persons are going to be awfully sorry they didn’t listen or believe in the Bible. And, if you believe in nothing, then you will get a rude awakening at death. If you believe in reincarnation, Satan has given you a snow job. God created mankind as a UNIQUE BEING. He doesn’t borrow someone who has previously died and allows them to DO IT AGAIN, BUT ONLY BETTER. What a bunch of crock. SAD for them that they will miss out on all of God’s glory and riches in Heaven because GOD CANNOT LOOK UPON SIN. Therefore, NO SIN CAN ENTER HEAVEN. And, if you are a practicing homosexual WHEN YOU DIE and have not asked Jesus for forgiveness, YOU WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN. That’s NOT being intolerant. THAT IS TELLING THE TRUTH. Liberals ALWAYS get that screwed up because they do not KNOW TRUTH, only lies Satan has told them.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 11:55pmIf the above post is not a shining example of the delirious insanity that organized religion brings out of people then I’m not sure what is.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:16pmThe Scriptures are not an authoritative source on this subject. Besides it appears the evangelicals have rewritten scriptures to fit their political agenda.
Report Post »txjb
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:28pmBernbart , God’s word is the authority on all things.
Report Post »afishfarted
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:29pmAre you kidding me ??!?!? Writing scripture to fit their political agenda ?!?!
Report Post »Now I HAVE heard everything. sheesh. Only an indicoctrinated idiot would ry to say the Bible–which has been widely believed to be the word of God even before the Christ was born–would take the angle of scripture YOU have.
I know folks of your ilk are trying to rewrite history saying things like our founding fathers were actually early American terrorists but this one takes the cake.
What an idiot
And in the interest of full disclosure, I’ve never called a person writing anything on like an idiot. It’s a first for me
Locked
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:34pm“The Scriptures are not an authoritative source on this subject.”
One doesn’t need an “authoritative source” when it comes to an opinion. He could have said “I don‘t support gays adopting because a leprechaun told me that it’s bad”… it’s an opinion. However, his wording: “Jesus states in the Bible that homosexuality is (a) detestable act and sin” is incorrect. While Jesus may have thought that, he never actually talks about homosexuality (Paul does in Romans, but Jesus is mum on the subject), nor adoption.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:37pm“And in the interest of full disclosure, I’ve never called a person writing anything on like an idiot. It’s a first for me”
Careful, AFish. It’s a step to the Dark Side. Internet connection leads to anonymity, anonymity leads to comments’ sections, comments’ sections lead to calling people idiots, calling people idiots leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the Dark Side!
Pretty sure that’s what Yoda said.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:55pmExcept for astronomy (he thought earth was the center of the universe), geography (apparently wasn’t aware that the New World existed), physiology (had no concept of germ theory), biology (snakes can’t talk), gender roles (women are not a lesser species made from a mere slice of a man’s hip), and morality (rape, torture, pillaging, conquest, all endorsed by the sky god). But yeah, other than that, god has the answers
Report Post »bruce_baker
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:04pm“The Scriptures are not an authoritative source on this subject. Besides it appears the evangelicals have rewritten scriptures to fit their political agenda.”
The Scriptures are an authorative source on ANY spiritual subject, and have great advice on many temporal ones, too. They have not changed in several hundred years at least, as the King James version is still available. I suggest you read them, starting with the New Testament. Anything you hear regarding them having a “changed meaning” is the work of the devil, like claiming that Christ was a socialist, or that it‘s the government’s job to apply charity in His name. Salvation, like voting, is a personal choice. It also works better if you’re informed, just like voting. Christ directed us to love the sinner, but hate the sin. Hating the sin would seem to me to include condemning society’s acceptance of it. Regardless of what the secular humanists say about it.
All the major religions have “agreed to disagree” on what heaven is, who gets in and why, but all are united in their desire for the freedom to make that decision themselves. Only the secular humanists, with their religion of “There is no God but Caesar”, are different, and want to impose their beliefs on the rest of us through the force and power of the Federal government. That is what the First Amendment was designed to prevent.
Report Post »DogTags
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:17pmWord of warning:
For those wanting to respond to the ignorant and irrational post by Bernbart, I will give you this scripture
“Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.” Proverbs 26:4.
Report Post »topanga263
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:21pm,,,no it’s not.
Report Post »godhatesacoward
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:36pmWhat is your authoritative source on this?
Report Post »Saved Forever
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:01pm@AndYetItMoves
Would you care to show books/chapters/verses in scripture to explain yourself? Or are you just repeating what you’ve been told?
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:13pmI mean, if you need me to quote scripture to justify even half of those principles of christianity that I just listed, then either you haven‘t read genesis or you’ve decided to completely throw the ‘creation story’ out of your cosmology. Unfortunately I don’t have a bible within arms reach (haven’t been reading it very regularly since I reached the age of reason around 8 year old), but lets just suffice it to say that religion has been the diametrically opposed enemy of the human intellect since its inception, there has been no major development in philosophy or technology in human history that has not been initially suppressed and denounced by the parties of god.
Report Post »afishfarted
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:35pmLocked, good resonse to me. Yup–traversing on the dark sider fer sure. Thanks for the “admonishment”.
Report Post »But still, of all the posts I’ve read about this, not one refutes his statement that Scripture is a politically motivated writing.
I mentioned “brainfart’s” comment to the wife. She had a good angle. “If Scripture is now considered a politcally written book, then refering to it in school can no longer be prohibited” MAKES’ SENSE TO ME, by golly !!
Gonzo
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 7:35amTXJB, Right on.
Report Post »billrow
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:15pmThe world is swirling in a toilet bowl filled with filth, buggery and utter debauchery.
And we are supposed to sit back and accept it gladly?
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:22pmNO we must top religious zealots who are swirling in the sewer of hate from inserting their religion into our public schools and politics
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:22pmOf course not, help the rest of the sane world abolish religion and we might be able to turn the tide.
Report Post »bruce_baker
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:24pm“And we’re supposed to sit back and accept it gladly?”
Only if you wish to barter your immortal soul for the approval of men.
What our schools teach today: The Gospel is a myth, Global Warming is gospel, and Big Government would be God’s gift to humanity, if God existed.
Report Post »SavedByTheLamb
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:49pmHere, accept this.
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=Is01B1
Report Post »DogTags
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:18pmJust a suggestion:
For those wanting to respond to the ignorant and irrational post by Bernbart, I will give you this scripture
“Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.” Proverbs 26:4.
Report Post »COFemale
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 10:27pmWho are you calling religious zealots Bernbarf?
Might I say, perhaps you are an atheist zealot? One who is so intent in wiping Christianity and Christians off the earth because you don’t believe the way we do? You are no different than us according to your own words.
The kid expressed his opinion, exactly as you do here. Do we punish you by blocking your idiotic statements? No. We read them, make comments of our opinion, and move along.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:14pmThis is a school newspaper, presumably student generated content, so my question is, why do we care about it unless it is explicitly hostile to a group, which parts of the Old Testament KIND OF are, like the once cited, but then, it’s a student high school newspaper–WHO cares again?
Report Post »anAmericanVet
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:28pmAs a parent of a high school son, I care. My son deals with the leftist arguments all day in school. Science classes that teach ONE side. A teacher that claims “capitalists” are the cause of America’s problems (then a kid gets sent to detention for calling her a communist).
The Homosexual Activist Left is the biggest bully group on the planet. They cry discrimination at every turn, but forbid a counter view.
This is very simple.
1) The Bible is God’s word. Written by the hand of man, but inspired, and maintained truth of God.
(if a Christian does not believe that, it’s time to vacate the pew and go home)
2) God said homosexuality is an abomination (BTW -He only said that about two sins in the entire Bible)
3) God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever.
4) Homosexuality is still a perversion of God’s plan for mankind and marriage. (see #3)
You want to see death threats, verbal abuse, litigation, workplace harrassment, etc. Then speak openly about your religious convictions on homosexuality.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:49pm@anamericanvet
“2) God said homosexuality is an abomination (BTW -He only said that about two sins in the entire Bible)”
Are you sure? What particular word are you using for “abomination?” It seems like there are a ton of abominations. The most common word used is Tōʻēḇā, which is used a bunch of times:
Report Post »http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_(Bible)
http://www.openbible.info/topics/abomination
Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:42pm@ Locked:
Report Post »Hush you. You’re challenging his earnestly held religious beliefs. People don bomb vests when you do that.
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on January 30, 2012 at 9:39amAnamericanvet, we wouldn’t want your son to grow up learning leftist facts like math and science, now would we? The alternative is a 3,000 year old list of Jewish sharia law.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:14pmPeople should be allowed to be as nasty as they want to be in public…but there should be a camera in their bedrooms and all their internet activity tracted by the government
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:07pmThe poor kid is being brain washed with hate, and false info. Well at least other students get a taste of the hate being taught to these Christina kids.
Report Post »DD313
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:22pmWho is Christina, and what do her kids have to do with this issue?
Report Post »txjb
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:22pmexcuse you ! God said man and woman , same sex marrage is a sin , and gays should not raise children in this sinfull life style.
Report Post »DogTags
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:14pmFor those wanting to respond to the ignorant and irrational post by Bernbart, I will give you this scripture
“Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself.” Proverbs 26:4.
Report Post »topanga263
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:25pmOh TXJB, God said that? Oh yeah that’s right, he just told me that last week…it must be true then if Santa Claus said so.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:06pmSo if he wrote that piece to his local newspaper -a public newspaper- it would be fine and considered opinionated free speech. But at his school -a public school- it is harassment, a hate crime, offensive, yada yada yada.
This is the problem I have with public schools, they are being bombarded by liberal-progressive policies from the government through the Dept of Ed. and the teachers unions who are in bed with the government.
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:19pmPublic schools are part of our government which is guided by the Separation of Church and State but newspapers are privately owned, and even they can deny publishing articles.
Report Post »yeshua4me2
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:47pmoh the old seperation of church and state lie…. guess what we’ve figure that lie out, make up a new one.
Report Post »KickinBack
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 2:04am@bernbart
Define “separation of church and state” Yeah, I know you couldn’t.
Report Post »DesdemonasCrew
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:05pmIt will only get worse. Why is a persons intolerance of a behavior that has been reprehensible to all societies for thousands of years considered hate? Since when does “respect” trump free speech? Some kids that raised themselves in deplorable conditions became moral and successful adults…does that mean we should support those deplorable conditions? Save your hackneyed “love one another” speech for the fundemental islamists, see how far that goes.
Report Post »Disagreement does not equal hate unless you are a far left loon. How does that hat fit?
AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:18pmTo call this post nonsensical would be an insult to anything that’s ever been nonsensical before.
Report Post »DesdemonasCrew
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:04pmWhen you have no arguement that makes sense…insult.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:15pmI mean, did you read back to yourself what you wrote here? It got a laugh out of me which is a first for these threads. How on earth you managed to connect your overwhelming fear of homosexuality (and sex in general, if you’re a true christian), with some thoughts about how it effects the imagined struggle between christianity and Islam, is beyond me.
My rational response is this: Homosexuality is obviously not a choice, who would choose to endure the slings and arrows of outrageous idiocy from people like yourself for an entire lifetime if they had any other choice? Your fear of homosexuality undermines your capacity to think about the subject reasonably, and manifests itself as hate, yes, hate. There’s no other word for it, and I agree that things will only get worse until people that share your worldview are in a museum alongside the neanderthal.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:05pmGays have verry high morals…Two lesbians would never adopt a young girl so they could get closer to her and her girlfriends
Report Post »topanga263
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:23pmEw you are sick and twisted. WOW.
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:36pmGays are very special people and should have the right to be as nasty as they want to be…There is nothing sick about 2 older women teaching a young lady about carnal desires…Don’t you biggots whatch porn
Report Post »scarebear83
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:05pmWatch Intervention or Beyond Scared Straight on A&E and tell me the people using drugs or being lawbreakers are doing so simply because they can…. Most of the time it‘s because a father or a mother wasn’t there for them. Sure they had the other parent but they were lacking the balance of the other. So with that being said I highly believe it is very important for a child to be brought up in a loving household with a Father and a Mother.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:02pmLiberals trying to suppress Christians and our free speech and beliefs. This is what fascism looks like!
Report Post »bernbart
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:13pmNO Facism looks like the right wing Christian hate. After all Facism was a right wing movement, And the right wing Nazis killed homosexuals in the same manner they killed Jews.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:13pmChristianity is what fascism looks like.
Report Post »skypilot77
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:47pmFascism is a product of the right-wing. Really? And all the time I thought the Nazi’s were National SOCIALISTS.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 2:44amFascism is a combination of elements both left and right, it was the ‘third way’. See Mussolini’s own definitions.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on January 28, 2012 at 3:02amInfact Progressivism is nearly the same thing as Mussolini style fascism… Roosevelt was enamored with Mussolini and based much of his ideas on Italian reform. Progressives exist on both sides of the aisle left and right.
Report Post »rweallinsane
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:02pmThis kids rhetoric is one step removed from the animals who killed Micheal Shepard
Report Post »DD313
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:40pmYour name says it all.
Report Post »Spyderco
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:58pmGood for the student! We need more people who are not afraid to defend their beliefs. The reason the principle gave are a cowards way of enforcing a close minded policy.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:15pmThe irony of you considering anti-gay rhetoric to somehow be something other than a ‘closed-minded policy’ just made my head explode. Christians in the modern world can literally only speak in paradox.
Report Post »Kitsune
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:35pmThen why are you ok with Islamic anti-gay rhetoric?
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:43pmForgive me, but where did I say that? Islamic and Christian sociopaths are equally deplorable to me, I don’t discriminate.
Report Post »Spyderco
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:38pmI am not concerned with your head. Not believing in a higher power is closed minded. Not standing up for your belief in that higher power could lead to eternal damnation.
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:47pmooh spooky. Trust me, I know that I’m only throwing rocks in the ocean here, because its impossible to reason someone out of a position they never reasoned themselves into in the first place. I just happen to be a huge fan of irony, and your convoluted notion that believing in a sky god with no evidence of its existence other than the fact that you really, really, believe it‘s true is somehow representative of an ’open mind’ was just too much for me.
Report Post »waspanglosaxon
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:58pmRegardless of what one thinks of this student’s opinion, I remember a time when one could speak one’s mind openly without fear of censorship or punishment. (This was back in the day when people had respect for the First Amendment, but obviously, I’m dating myself.) My own opinion on this subject was best phrased by the late, great activist, J. B. Stoner, who said “Thank God for AIDS!”
Report Post »DD313
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:48pmIf you’re dating yourself, that makes you gay, right? ;)
Report Post »AndYetItMoves
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:52pmFor anyone not familiar with JB Stoner, he was the white supremacist who fought against the civil rights movement by orchestrating the bombing of black churches in the south.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you modern American social conservatism.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:57pmWhen I was young I used to think it was so wrong that God burn all the people of Sodom and Gomorra, even the kids because they had not sinned. As I got older I realize that those kids were doomed because of who their parents were. They would have grown up to be just like them. I agree that people that live that anti God life style should not be sharing it with those not tainted with it like children. It is not my business what they do in their bedrooms or gay bar bathrooms, but for me, just the thought makes me want to vomit.
Report Post »dirtydog1776
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:57pmFree speech? I guess it is only for those that subscribe the politically correct agenda of the New American Order as revealed to us mere mortals by the Great and Omniscient Barack Obama.
Report Post »rweallinsane
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:58pmOr on the other hand…what ever small minded and hate filled logic people like this kid feel is acceptable. This kid is one step away from another Micheal Shepard incident
Report Post »TumbleBumble
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:40pmRWEALLINSANE ~
Or how about a victim like Jesse Dirkhising?
Report Post »rweallinsane
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:57pmBottom line, people have no right to push theological believes in the face of others. This kid is living in a small bigoted world, and his hatred is glaringly obvious. Who cares what your made up god thinks or does not think. To base human rights and equality around subjective and historically violent/oppressive and greedy world views (i.e. religion of any form) is simply telling one group that your made up believes are more important than simple objective logic.
Why do extremists such as this kid fear homosexuals so much…
Nothing but hate filled rhetoric…the type of which makes this “conservative” cringe.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:18pm@AREWEALLINSANE
“Or on the other hand…what ever small minded and hate filled logic people like this kid feel is acceptable.”
Really?? A person cannot have an opinion? If (and I say IF) this person is mistaken, he should be allowed to be wrong.
We do not have ‘truth police’ (thank God), just our own ability to research and find the truth. If no one were allowed to speak until they know everything, what a silent world it would be. That’s why we have the !st amendment, so we may opine and chew on ideas that maybe we wouldn’t of thought of by ourselves.
This process requires a mature way of thinking. We must allow others to be wrong, and they should allow us the same privilege.
Homosexuals and atheists, in my opinion, are extremely thin-skinned and think they have the right to never be offended.
As enlightened as they claim to be, they lack the maturity to handle ideas outside their own.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:19pmRweallinsane
Report Post »Let me get this straight. Anyone who does not agree with your (logic or beliefs) is a bigot? Seems to me you put enough anger in this post, more than this students paper had in it. Are we all insane? No, just you. Conservative? You sound like a progressive, and you are adding to the moral decline of the country. You are a legend in your own mind.
ShyLow
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:19pmPeople do not have the right to public decency
Report Post »topanga263
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:29pmRweallinsane, Perfectly put. Couldn’t have said it better myself!
Report Post »skypilot77
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:54pmFor someone who believes in logic you sure make a lot of assumptions.
First, who pushed any beliefs into the face of anyone?
The kid wrote an editorial. People had to pick up the paper and read it.
Secondly, why do you say disagreement with homosexuals is fear? That is a huge jump in logic. Disagreement does not equal fear, or hate, for that matter.
Logic is not the be-all-end-all. Life is not logical.
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 5:53pmEven though I believe in free-speech I also believe in respect. There are many same-sex parents who are great parents and raise moral and successful kids. Why all the hate. Love one another.
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:10pmYou seem to be mistaking disapproval for ‘hate’, a common misperception among those who are promoting (however tacitly) the agenda of homosexuals. If one finds homosexual behavior offensive, why then should one not be allowed to say so, and say so without being punished? That others might be ‘offended’ simply should not be an issue. The paper published by the local branch of the state university daily publishes opinions which I find highly offensive. That, of course, pales in comparison to the stuff being promulgated within the classrooms.
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:18pmThis incident happened when a 15 year old wrote an article. Even though everyone has the right to speak their minds they have to first understand to respect others. There is no homosexual agenda. Who writes that comedic material. I have had friends who come from same-sex families. There is no difference between heterosexual or same-sex families. All of them work out in the end.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 6:43pmActually, on average, children of lesbian couples have fewer behavioural problems, higher academic performance, and are even less likely than children of heterosexual couples to be non-hetero.
As for the first two, it may be selection bias, since lesbian couples generally adopt, and adoptive parents tend to be on the more affluent side, so kids adopted into lesbian families (and that is the right word) generally have better access to more resources to keep them out of trouble and in school.
Report Post »SavedByTheLamb
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:36pmReally?
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/same_sex_adoption_is_not_a_game
Report Post »bikerr
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:46pm@democritusoilder267—When do you take off the tinfoil hat and clean it?. It seems your reception has been messed up!
Report Post »democritusoilder267
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 7:49pmTinfoil hat? What do you mean? I have the right to have an opinion. To me all people can raise a family. Same-sex, polygamy, etc. What’s wrong with that?
Report Post »Wat Tyler
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:00pmThe First Amendment and Freedom of Speech are ABSOLUTE. Any attempt to dilute it down with exceptions for “hate speech”, etc., should be looked upon for what it is: TREASON.
Any such persons who attempt to stifle this young man’s free expression by violating his Constitutional civil rights should be considered TRAITORS, enemies of the Constitution, and dealt with accordingly.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:26pm@ Wat Tyler:
No right is absolute:
Speech — Slander
Report Post »Press — Libel
Religion — Human Sacrifice
Guns — Prison Sentence
etc.
Wat Tyler
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 8:59pm@Lesbian Packing Hollow Points:
There’s no slander or libel here….Just an American in disagreement with liberalism…
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