Christians United for Israel: The Modern-Day Righteous Gentiles?
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The Righteous Gentiles -- Yad Vashem
The Righteous Among Nations
One of the greatest mysteries of the Shoah, or Holocaust, is how millions of non-Jewish inhabitants of Nazi Germany and its occupied lands were indifferent, or worse, complicit in the face of genocide. It is likely that there were many who internally desired to “do the right thing” yet failed to resist the barbarism out of fear for their lives, but what about the countless others who agreed with Adolf Hitler — that Europe, indeed the world, would be far better off without the “scourge” of the Jewish people? The anti-Semitic bloodlust of a lone madman is one thing, it is wholly another when essentially an entire nation signs on to an agenda of race-driven persecution, and later, mass-extermination.
In a twisted universe where brother was pitted against brother and non-compliance was punishable by death, the righteous of Nazi Germany and occupied Europe faced enormous odds in their attempts to simply be good human beings and do what was right. It is perhaps for this reason more than any other that they have been carved out such a sacred place in Jewish history and culture.
Today, Yad Vashem, the Israeli national remembrance authority for the Holocaust, has bestowed honors on at least 24,355 Righteous Gentiles (and these are only the cases documented by Yad Vashem) who unflinchingly laid their lives on the line to save Jews from certain extinction in the Nazi death camps.
The phrase “Righteous Gentiles,“ or ”Righteous Among Nations,” finds origin in a rabbinic term used to describe non-Jews who abide by the Seven Laws of Noah. More specifically in the modern-day vernacular, the term is used as an honorific for Christians who made great sacrifices to provide shelter, sustenance, and ultimately life-saving aid to Jews during the Holocaust. They demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice their own well-being in order to act in accordance with his or her own personal convictions. Of course, there were unlikely heroes during the Holocaust as well, such as Oskar Schindler, who only evolved into a hero later on in the course of his journey.
Regardless of how each Righteous Gentile found his or her own respective path, one thing is certain: Without them, the blight of the Holocaust would have been darker still, and an entire community of Jewish souls would have never been afforded the opportunity to come into this world.
Consider that between 1,000 to 1,200 Schindlerjuden (Jews saved from extinction by Schindler) alone, produced over 7,000 descendants, all of whom were given the gift of life — the gift of carrying on their family legacies.
Every action counts. Or, in the spirit of anti-Nazi pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer, every inaction counts — and in no small amount.
Never again
Once the dust had settled after the Allied victory in World War II and the devastation of the Holocaust could be truly assessed, the world stood in dismay. There have been few chapters in human history ever wrought in as much suffering and degradation, or that ever captured the depth of evil for which mankind is capable. Conversely, manifest in the deeds of the Righteous Among Nations, were also testaments to all that is good in the human condition.
It reaffirmed the biblical belief for many Christians and Jews that a light can shine from the darkness.
“Never again” became the battle cry all the days thereafter. “Never again” would the Jewish people be led like sheep to the slaughter. They vowed it. The world vowed it. Yet today, while Nazis may have been ostracized and relegated to the darkest corners of society’s fringe, the leader of Iran is allowed to stand before the United Nations – the body that aided in the creation of Jewish State in the first place – and denigrate Israel, deny the Holocaust and go on speaking engagements at prestigious American universities where he mirrors Hitler’s sentiments.
Currently, an Israel-hostile regime has gained a foothold in Egypt, a country with which the Jewish State had at least shared a cold peace, Iran is being allowed to pursue its nuclear weapons program unchecked and its proxies Hamas and Hezbollah continue to lob rockets into Israel at will.
Across the world’s college campuses, Israel has been doggedly pursued and vilified as an “apartheid state” and “oppressor of the Palestinian people” (despite opponents bearing no evidence to support their claims). Meanwhile, in Israel, a battle for Jerusalem is underway as Palestinians scramble frantically to scrub Judaism’s historical footprint from the Jewish capital. The method to their madness is simple: To erase Israel’s past, is to erase Israel’s future.
Adding to the adversity, the Jewish State has also been the target of a concerted Boycott and Divestment campaign (or BDS movement) in countries around the globe. It is worth noting that one of the first measures enacted by the Nazis was a boycott of all Jewish-owned businesses.
This leaves many asking: What happened to “never again?”
Thus far, the attacks against Israel have continued unencumbered by any meaningful resistance from a contingent of those who vowed, “never again” — except for perhaps a select few, including Christian Zionists.
Christians United for Israel
In a day and age where doing what is right and standing up for Israel is becoming as unpopular as it was in 1938, the righteous of today, too, have their work cut out for them. That has not deterred Christian Zionists, however, who gathered this week for the seventh annual Christians United for Israel (CUFI) Summit in Washington, D.C.
More than 5,600 pro-Israel Christians from around the country gathered to discuss matters important the Jewish State and lobby congress on Israel’s behalf. For those not familiar, CUFI was founded by Pastor John Hagee and is led by Executive Director, David Brog. The organization boasts more than one million members and is active in at least 96 college campuses around the country through its initiative, CUFI on Campus.
The summit and its gala event, “A Night to Honor Israel,” featured a dynamic array of speakers including Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, Senator Joseph Lieberman, former White House Press Secretary for George W. Bush, Ari Fleischer, Blaze contributor Erick Stakelbeck, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who appeared via satellite.
“You stand with us when we stand against Iran and its proxies Hezbollah and Hamas,” acknowledged Netanyahu during his speech. “When rockets are fired. When we refused to accept one of the greatest lies — that we are the occupiers of Judea and Samaria.”
“We will not be intimidated by any person, by any group of people when Israel is on the line,” Pastor Hagee declared to a resounding round of applause.
“The covenant that God made with Abraham is eternal, and it cannot be repealed by the president of the United States, by the president of the United Nations.”
“God created the world and as the owner of the world he entered into a contract with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants forever and gave them the land…Christianity cannot explain its existence without Judaism. We are the Judeo-Christians.”
His remarks reflect Christians’ belief that Israel not only has legitimate political standing in the modern-day, but a deeply spiritual, biblical tie to the land of Israel.
While the event’s speakers each affirmed their support for the Jewish State, one of the most profound aspects of the summit was its attendees, who traveled from all over the country and in many cases, at great personal expense, to show their solidarity and take direct action on Israel’s behalf. While this might not turn heads at the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) conference, witnessing the enthusiasm and dedication of over 5,000 friends of the Jewish State rally, speak, petition and lobby for a people and nation they care deeply about, confirms for many a belief that CUFI members are the modern-day embodiment of the Righteous Gentiles.
Christian and Jewish leaders from around the country, along with advocates of all age-groups attended the summit to show their support.
“Christian Zionism is tremendously important because now we’re in the midst of a religious war,” said Rabbi Shlomo Riskin founder of the Center for Jewish-Christian Understanding and Cooperation.
“There are 1 billion-plus Muslims and there are 2 billion-plus Christians. For us, Christian friendship is critical.”
With choirs, prayer sessions, a camp for children, Israeli dancing, entertainment, educational sessions and a mock university Campus exhibit intended to educate people about the challenges facing pro-Israel students today, it would take volumes to describe the sheer magnitude and reach of the CUFI Summit. And somehow, while other organizations let their day-to-day operations fall to the wayside when organizing a large-scale event such as this, CUFI, through its chapters around the country, leads its other pro-Israel initiatives on a daily basis and with great success.
Present and future-day Israel advocates
The attacks leveled against Israel today are subtler than those of yesteryear. While film and media bias is a pervasive force, one of the greatest threats facing the Jewish State can actually be found in the halls of American academia, where an all-out propaganda campaign vilifying Israel is underway.
CUFI on Campus provides pro-Israel students with the tools needed to effectively advocate on behalf of Israel and counter the near-constant barrage from professors and student activists who are successfully indoctrinating an entire generation into believing that Israel is a “colonialist,” aggressor state bent on the destruction of the Palestinian people.
Unfortunately, the subversive tactics employed at college campuses across America are working. During one of the summit’s break out sessions, CUFI Executive Director David Brog pointed out the sobering fact that more than 60 percent of Americans are sympathetic to Israel, whereas just over 30 percent of college students view Israel in a positive light. The effects will be hard-hitting, even perilous, when only one-third of tomorrow’s leaders believe Israel is worth existing, and worth defending. Millennials are, after all, the largest generational demographic to date.
Students Attend a Session at CUFI Summit
In addition to providing support to students experiencing anti-Semitism on campus, CUFI offers scholarships to its annual summit and even subsidizes a two-week, annual advocacy mission to Israel where students can learn about the nation’s historical conflicts from political and military leaders.
During the summit, student leaders spoke about how CUFI has helped them deal with anti-Semitism and anti-Israel attacks on their respective campuses, turning these negative experiences into positive opportunities to advocate for Israel.
Those who attend college face great pressure from their peers and mentors. Often, impressionable students absorb their surroundings and the teachings of their professors like a sponge. It is at this point that they either fall prey to anti-Israel indoctrination, or are intimidated into silence where their Israel advocacy is concerned. CUFI’s student-driven initiatives are of vital import at this formative stage in a young adult’s life. Without it, a future where far less than 30 percent of the population supports Israel is an entirely possible reality.
Students Discussed CUFI on Campus With Glenn Beck
Challenges ahead for Christian Zionists
The Evangelical community is diverse and surprisingly not all of its members support CUFI’s mission. As past presidential elections indicate, there is a small but growing contingent of left-wing Evangelicals (roughly 26 percent voted for Barack Obama in 2008) resistant to embracing Israel. According to Brog, the Left is aggressively targeting churches around the country, ramping up its own propaganda campaign by holding lectures critical of the pro-Israel movement and promoting films like “With God on Our Side,” which paints an unsavory picture of Christian Zionism.
According to CUFI field representatives active in the faith community, churches, particularly ones servicing the African American community and in economically distressed areas, are falling prey to liberal activists who seek to undermine the Christian-Israel relationship.
Educating the under-informed, and misinformed is another task CUFI representatives take on with fervor. The history of the Jewish people in the land of Israel, particularly with regard to its modern-day conflicts, is long and complex. Often, trouble arises when people seek to focus on only one aspect of this 3,800 year history.
“We have to come in and teach history,” said Brog, who explained CUFI’s two-fold method for teaching based not only on the Bible, but on current political affairs affecting Israel.
Another challenge faced by Christian Zionists, interestingly, comes from members of the Jewish community who are suspect of the motivations behind such support. Ironically, the impetus is found in biblical principles many Jewish people themselves subscribe to: Those who bless Israel will be blessed, while those who curse Israel will be cursed. But is important to note that Evangelicals aren’t a monolith, and their desire to support Israel does not only stem from their adherence to biblical teachings. Rather, they support Israel in the way the Righteous Gentiles extended their hands of support to the Jewish people during the Holocaust — because they believe it is the right path, and the right thing to do.
Brog’s answer to Jewish skeptics is simple: “Christians are going be involved [in Israel advocacy]” regardless, and slandering Christian supporters of Israel is something that will no longer be tolerated.
“All we have ever asked is that people come and see what we are all about,” Brog told a panel of reporters during the second day of the conference. Many of the stereotypes would be swiftly shattered.
Approach
Try as they might, the naysayers cannot discount the historic, biblical, ancestral links of the Jewish people to the land of Israel, their birthplace. Eretz Israel has been the one constant in Judaism — its North Star — since time immemorial. On the flip side, modern-day Israel is a country in its own right, founded legally and which has legitimately prevailed in every war of aggression waged against it since 1948. It is the only true democracy in the Middle East, America’s staunchest ally, and has every right to defend its land and its people against the sea of enemies which surrounds it.
From fighting legislation detrimental to Israeli interests, to lobbying Congress on stopping Iran’s nuclear ambitions; from raising millions of dollars to fund humanitarian efforts throughout the Jewish State, to fighting media bias, campus hostility and helping to foster a new generation of pro-Israel advocates, CUFI and its members are proving to be Israel’s truest friend.
With the approach of Glenn Beck’s Restoring Love, an event focused on celebrating the attributes that were inherent in the Righteous Gentiles and all those who have done what was right even in the face of great adversity, CUFI reaffirms that there are still people who seek a righteous path and who believe in keeping their promises.
Below is a clip featuring the last hour of a “Night to Honor Israel” and Congresswoman Michele Bachmann’s poignant remarks:
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Comments (179)
cosmic dogma
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:55pmI stand with Israel. I am a Christian. How could I not?
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:14pmIs Israel, that is the political nation we call Israel, are they really part of what God wants for the earth?
Report Post »As a nation, they have rejected their Messiah, wanting nothing to do with him. They themselves broke the covenant between them and God. Since that is the case, would their God Jehovah continue to call them “His People”? There is no more covenant between them and Jehovah. Jesus indicated this in Matthew 23:37-38 saying that “their house” is abandoned to them, God was no longer accepting their lame worship. God’s favour transferred to the newly formed congregation of the Apostles and faithful followers of the Christ Jesus.
Israel as we see them today is just another nation, joining all the others, bringing havoc to our earth.
YellowFin
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:45pmBearFoot,- what God wants for the earth?
What God wants for the earth is PEACE, peace through the righteous rulership of Jesus Christ in God’s Kingdom. – Psalms 36:10-11
Report Post »At this time, there is no peace in Israel or any other nation for that matter.
YellowFin
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:51pmCorrection – Psalms 37:10-11
Sorry….
Report Post »Jakareh
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 6:46amRegardless of whether or not any covenant still exists between God and the Jewish people, there sure is no covenant with the so-called Palestinians. Israel at least is a civilized country where Christian pilgrims can feel quite safe except for a Muslim terrorist who might sneak in. “Palestine”, on the other hand, would be yet another nest of terrorists and its establishment a victory for the adherents of the hellish religion whose arching is, and has always been, the destruction of Christianity.
Besides, after all they have been through, simple Christian compassion supports the idea of the Jews being able to live on the little patch of land God once assigned to them.
Report Post »AbeBird
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 7:41amI follow you as human being and free world’s lover !!!
Report Post »georgette
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:48amI don’t understand how someone could be an antisemite and call themselves a Christian
Report Post »..Jesus was Jewish.
shogun459
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 12:18pmGOD does not change and he calls Israel the Apple of his eye and the promise he made to Abraham still stands.
Report Post »It is GODS place to deal with Israels spiritual short comings not ours.
Shasta
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 1:08pmGod is always calling for his people to return.
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:13pmBEARFOOT
Leave your cult mormon interpretations out of this. 1 Chronicles 16:17 is very clear. Ex 37:26, Hebrews 8:8 and on and on.
You mormons are not the reformed church
THE RAPTURE COMES
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:15pmBEARFOOT
CORRECTION
I meant to say Jehovah witness, same thing, cult
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:40pmtherapturecomes,
You referenced “1 Chronicles 16:17 is very clear. Ex 37:26, Hebrews 8:8 and on and on.”
Perhaps you can educate me on the significance of those scriptures. How and when do they apply? To whom do they apply and to for how long do they not apply.
Hebrews 8:7-13 is good reading and compare Jeremiah 31:31 to get an idea of God’s viewpoint on the matter of whether a bi-lateral covenant has to remain forever.
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:57pmBEARFOOT
Jesus Christ is a HEBREW, The apostles are HEBREWS He will rule from Davids throne Psalm 132:11, 89:3-4, 2 Sam 7:12-13, Isa 9:6-7, Luke 1:31-32. This has not happened yet
Rev 20:4 is also future
In any case, God has an everlasting covenant with Israel.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 4:08pmOkay Rapture, it looks like we are not getting anywhere with this. Let’s part as friends.
Report Post »Good bye.
THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 4:19pmArticle about how Jehovah Witness contradicts the Scriptures
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-r005.html
Report Post »YellowFin
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 4:49pmTHERAPTURCOMES, you seem quite unreasonable, unwilling to question your own pre-conceived ideas and doctrines . You mis-quote scriptures and mis-apply their meanings. No wonder Bearfoot quit his dialogue with you.
For those who want to know about Jehovah’s Witnesses without prejudice:
http://www.watchtower.org
Report Post »MrBoneHead
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 7:05pmRemember the Holocaust of World War 2? The Muslims do not want Just the Jews dead but Everyone who is not Muslim.
Britain has become Britastan and America has become Ameristan.
It is not about freedom of speech or freedom of Religion anymore, it’s about survival of Freedom, Survival of America, Survival of the free Human. Muslims don’t want just Jerusalem, they want the world. Wake up People!
Report Post »GreatDayITM
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 7:16pm@ Barefoot,,,,I have to agree with you. I believe the true Israel of God Almighty today is all followers of Jesus Christ regardless of where they live on Earth. That is my understanding from the Bible.
Report Post »Amos37
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 12:31amGod has a covenant with Israel, which they have broken over and over, and He has used forces like Nebuchadnezzar and Hitler to bring them back into the job they are supposed to do for Him: teach the nations His law.
Report Post »Rapture Guy – You’re an idiot, just drink the kool-aid when you see the next ‘cloud’ and join Jesus in the ‘air’ but ignore everything that Jesus said about “If you aren’t from there, you can’t go to there” when he referenced heaven. maybe you should read 1 cor 15 when it talks about how we are transformed into our spiritual bodies at the last trumpet (after the tribulation of 7 years). You could even check out in acts when it says even David is in his tomb to this day (God said He loved David so yeah). Or in ecclesiastes where it says the dead in the ground know nothing.
pollyanna
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:23amOh yes, I stand with Israel. They are our big “bro.” Israel has more than just the tribe of Judah.
Report Post »http://www.biblestudysite.com/45.htm
Bearfoot
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:09pmGreatDayITM,
Thanks, it’s good to know this truth because it sets us free from developing a wrong conclusion about the POLITICAL nation of Israel. The true God cares little for the political world, but is concerned about the spiritual health of his congregation of Christians. The congregation that he purchased out of all nations with the blood of his own Son, Jesus. – Acts 20:28
Report Post »progoyim
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 10:21pmNOT ONE MORE DOLLAR NOT ONE MORE US LIFE FOR THE SAND Pit AT THE EASTERN END OF THE Mediterranean
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6owO2iyQGho
5600 use full idiots .that said they just don’t know any better Being brain washed by the F.U.B.A.R. bible .who can believe God demanded Moses kill all the the people of Canaan or what ever .Just an excuse to steal their land just like modern times .As far as being the chosen people it looks like has be trying to get rid of the Jews for at least the last two thousand years plus.
reportanddeport
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:50pmNobody should save Jews to gain the approval of Jews and Judaism, because Judaism itself is not worth saving, as Jews see non-Jews as nothing more than insects. When you save a Jew, if for no other reason, you should do it for Jesus Christ. I don’t see Christians and Christ really as the protectors of Jews, but rather as the saviors of Jews from themselves. And without Christians in the world, Jews would have been exterminated long before Hitler tried to exterminate them. We recently saw an Israeli lawmaker tear up the New Testament, and that is probably how most religious Jews feel, ZERO APPRECIATION FOR THE FOLLOWERS OF THE SAVIOR OF JEWS, Jesus Christ.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:26pmReportandDeport,
A true Christian will keep trying to bring the good news of Christ and his kingdom to not only the Jews, but to all mankind, all nationalities throughout the entire world. Matthew 28:18-20
Report Post »jwt
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:29pmmost people beleive that God is unable to protect His people. so, we (the world) must do his work
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:40pm@jwt
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:29pm
most people beleive that God is unable to protect His people. so, we (the world) must do his work
Report Post »****
God is never “Unable to protect His people” but as a loving God, He understands that He created mankind to feel self-worth in work. Thus, when He permits us to be His hands and feet, He is actually helping us to establish a “self image” which will define us. If we fail the test, and do not do His will, we are disappointed in ourselves, or become hard and rebellious, therefore, we show that we are in need of His mercy! I thank God, each time He permits me to do something wonderful for others. It really makes a difference in my life!
AbeBird
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 7:53amIf we don’t stand with Israel we will stand alone in hell. Israel is the priest-state of the worlds. A Jew to gentiles is as Israel to all nations, that’s why we should respect and stand with Israel with no further material reward. If we leave Israel for itself to stand alone against the Islamic Jihad Anti Christ, than we will be punished as the Anti Christ soldiers will reach the beaches of Europe and America and do their explosions on our lands. Israel is the barrier, the symbolic resistance against evil. If we lose to understand in now we are bound to deal with it later as punishment. No one ask us to fight with the Israelis, they do it alone very devotedly. But we are asked not to disturb them and interfere with their efforts to hold the Islamist zealots back. We should help them by our words, prays and political actions.
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 4:01pmJWT
Is Jesus Christ God yes or no? Do you believe in the trinity? Are you Jehovah Witness?
Report Post »YellowFin
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 4:23pmTHERAPTURCOMES,
hahah, your not very bright are you?
JWT; do you want to respond to that?
Report Post »jwt
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 9:14pmIf the Lord tells you to do something, then you had better do it. But we must be sure what He wants to do. Not what seems to be a good thing. Matthew 7,22
Report Post »BondmanPhil
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 3:17pmThe question you need to ask yourself, and don’t answer too quickly, is: Do Jews have a right to live free of non-Jewish missionary work in their ancestral homeland? While Israel is a free society, the state has laws on the books prohibiting the proselytization of people outside one’s own religion. IOW, Jews can work to “save” Jews, Christians, Christians, Muslims, Muslims, but they may not work to convert others to their faith. Mind you, there is no law whatsoever prohibiting people from converting to another religion (unlike Islamic laws prohibiting Muslims from embracing non-Islamic faiths), and the law is applied equally to all faiths. Many. like myself, feel that, after 2000 years of living in the Christian world, and being subject to both friendly and not-so-friendly efforts to “save” the Jews by converting them to Christianity, it is not such a bad thing that the Jews have a little tiny corner of the world in which they are not subject to missionary efforts of non-Jews. That in mind, I have two issues with Haggee’s support for Israel. First, he has used his financial support of Netanyahu to establish missionary centers in Israel, which are in fact illegal. Second, by supporting Netanyahu, Haggee is supporting an Israeli politician who talks the talk of the right, but walks the walk of the left. Bibi is on record as supporting and voting for many policies to the left of Haggee’s positions.
Report Post »Dave In Arizona
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 3:41pmWhen Israel really needs their support, will they?
Report Post »LadyLibertykicksASS
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:10pmI Will Stand With Israel ! Where will You stand, Dave??
Report Post »Dave In Arizona
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:51pmIn front of you.
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:44pmJEFFJ1985
Let me guess, you are catholic? Did you know that Catholicism is a CULT not different than Mormonism, SDA, JW and on and on
Flee the system of the damned and become a real believer on the real Jesus Christ before it is to late and you are left behind with the rest of the unbelieving world
Report Post »USA-Ron
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 7:35pmAmen
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:29pmUSA – RON
I am looking up. Hey, check out my video and tell me what you think. Think others will do the same and make AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS
http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:43pmtherapturecomes,
I do not think you know about Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW’s) during the holocaust?
For a little enlightenment you might read some facts at;
Report Post »http://www.watchtower.org/e/19980708/article_01.htm
THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:14pmBEARFOOT
I specialize in the study of cults and JW are a cult.I have already studied the issues in light of the scriptures and there is no doubt. The clear word bible is one of the worst interpretations.
I will say this in absolute scriptural authority. The rapture will instantaneously define whom is and whom is not a Christian.
Report Post »Bearfoot
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:19pmOkayyy.
Report Post »checkmate0831
Posted on July 23, 2012 at 1:35am@bearfoot and JWT – Being somewhat of an authority on Jehovah’s witnesses (a previous member of 16 years), they are good people who have been misguided by 12 people in bethel, new york. 1st John 2: 18-26 warns about “antichrists” (plural) saying, ” Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is Christ (or Messiah), such a man is the antichrist, he denies the Father and Son.” Jw’s clearly deny the trinity and treat Jesus as a great angel. They deny the power of Jesus. End of story. This is how a cult is classified. No different than Mormons, Scientology, Christian Science, Catholic, JW or Islam.
Report Post »aconstitutionalistlivesinbrooklyn
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:29pmThis propaganda about Israel being a Western colonialist aggressor state bent on the destruction of the Palestinian people is undercut by history. It was the West, in the form of the Roman Empire, who displaced the Jewish people from their homeland. It wasn’t the Philistines, the Egyptians, Persians, Syrians, or Babylonians who displaced the Jewish people, it was the West. So it is fitting and just, Social Justice if you will, that the current Western power support the Jewish people in securing their homeland.
Report Post »sillyfreshness
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 12:22pmThe whole problem with the right is their love affair with Jews. These very same Jews (in the media/Hollywood) that in the US try to demonize the right and are constantly undermining conservative causes. These same conservatives would fight to their death defending Jews. These Jews have no allegiance to conservativs. That’s why 90% of them vote Democratic. They are more than happy to have fools fight to their death defending them. Just look at who’s always leading the cause against the right….Saul Alinsky, George Soros, Emma Goldman, Charles Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Streisand, Karl Marx, Anthony Weiner, etc. All Jews and all very liberal and all fighting against conservatives.
Report Post »So it would be like these same conservatives fighting to the death to defend Irish folks and yet you find out the Irish are always trying to undermine the right and the Irish run the media and Hollywood and are playing propaganda against conservatives. Would you defend Irish to the death? I doubt it. So why this undying loyalty to Jews and all their schemes against the right? I don’t have any loyalty to Jews. I‘m not going to defend Jews based on some myth that they are God’s chosen people. I look at reality and see that most of them are the enemy to conservative causes, so I’m not going to defend them. They are more the problem, not the solution.
tzion
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:15pmYou speak as if all Jews agree on every issue. You speak as if Jews represent a homogeneous group. On top of that your figures are a complete lie. The “Jewish vote” (which includes people who are Jews in name only and not in practice) rarely goes over 70% Democrat, Obama being one of the rare exceptions. How many of the Jews you listed attended synagogue on even a weekly basis? Why was Joe Lieberman, who does attend religious services regularly, absent from your list? I know plenty of Jews, most of whom are religious, who oppose the Democrats and the ideals of every Jew you cited. Why do you omit from your list non-Jewish enemies of liberty? Why not list Obama or Holder? You are intentionally only looking at that which supports your deranged views.
Report Post »UpholderOftheConstitution
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:44pmYou want to know why jackass? Because the relationship to the Jewish people transcends the few jackass’s like yourself and these liberal Jews. Read the actual Bible jackass. And yes I would defend and risk my life for God’s chosen people and that includes those who are bent on destroying me politically!
Hey moderator, go ahead and take this comment down for calling this moron a jackass, but someone needs to! Because his comments are void of logic. His comment has no bearing and needs to be called out for what it is, a anti-Semitic rant by a world class unwise jackass. This individual is void of reason, wisdom and historical fact. Not to say the complete lack of knowledge of the Biblical relationship between the Christian and the Jew! Your words are very unlike the same words used during the inquisition to kill Jewish people! it was wrong then and it is wrong now. If we as Christians and Conservatives do not like a person it is not because of their heritage it is because they are a jackass, but in so doing we will lay down our lives to protect them just like I will lay down my life to protect you and your silly unwise comments to. Why? you ask. Because you are an American and I gave an oath to do so!! See where I am going? I maybe a soldier and in so doing I serve and protect you and liberals and other people I disagree with and even those who want to do me harm, why? because I made an oath a convent between myself and the People and to the Constitution!
Report Post »christos
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 3:34pm…+JESUS+GOD+ always had only a “remnant” of believers,,,the loyalty to the Jewish people comes from the Promises of +JESUS+GOD+ whoever Blesses the Jewish people +JESUS+GOD+ will bless them,,the loyalty comes from the Promises to the Jewish people,,there where 12 Tribes.The liberal Jewish people you speak of do not represent all of the Jewish people,choices have consequences.
Report Post »oldduffer
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 3:51pmCouldn’t agree more. It was also this religious group that after 1917 introduced us to the Doctrine of Communism. And keep it coming.
Report Post »Wat Tyler
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 3:55pm@ sillyfreshness
You should know better than to try to use logic with brainwashed religious fanatics and zealots. When people (aka “jack@ss) has a belief, then nothing you say or do will convince them otherwise, despite all evidence.
When I start hearing about “God’s chosen”, etc., I immediately think nutcase with a simple, medieval mind.
The globalist, Zionist establishment media has worked on some. I, for one, am not buying into their BS.
Report Post »Wat Tyler
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 3:58pmLong story short: The Jews already control the banks, the Senate, Hollywood,etc. Now they’re recruiting gentile fools to help them dominate over them.
What idiots.
Report Post »UpholderOftheConstitution
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 4:29pmDo you guys read your posts? Seriously? I will dig the same comments from Germans at the time of the Nazis saying the same thing! They would talk about the Jews owning all the money and the wealth and they must pay up. Seriously? Get a grip. If you read the post you would know this has nothing to do with zealot beliefs or radical religious motivations. Holy crap, you cannot even read a comment in its’ entirety and to lump anybody or a group that believes in something as zealots and religious fanatics is insane and wrong!
You folks are just hateful individuals and your speech is anti-Semitic and borderline racists. Also who cares if the Jewish people own all the banks and Hollywood and hell the whole damn world for that matter! Who cares? But the speech that is coming on this board is spiteful, Anti-Semitic, and demeaning.
Report Post »Wat Tyler
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 4:58pm@ idiot:
Are you going to try to sit there with a strait face and tell me they don’t control all the wealth? Now who is being ignorant?
As far as “Anti-Semitic”, or “racist” goes, I am one person who doesn’t fear the knee-jerk label like you weak cowards.
Maybe the TRUTH is “Anti-Semitic“ and ”racist”. Did you ever stop to consider that?
Report Post »sillyfreshness
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 6:04pmWhy is it one can point out the flaws of Muslims, but when you speak of Jews, that’s a big no no. Why are Jews “untouchable” and beyond any criticism? Playing the race card when you talk about the stuff Jews do. I’ve noticed a pattern throughout history. About every century the Europeans went after Jews after they realized how they were constantly trying to undermine them. The last one happened to be in WWII. It takes about a century for people to wake up and realize what’s going on by the Jews. And to say Jews in Hollywood really aren’t Jews is just ignorant. They are Jews by ethnicity if not by their religion. If they were to stop supporting leftist, degenerate causes like abortion and gay marriage, I wouldn’t have any problem with them. To call them out for the leftist, progressive causes they support as “racist” is just plain ignorant. When 90%, or 70% as one critic claims (still way higher than it should be), stops supporting the Democrat Party in mass, then I’ll support Jews. It’s not being anti-Semitic or racist, it’s just pointing out the truth. I’m not going to support an ethnic group that opposes me and my thoughts and is constantly trying to undermine conservatives. Call me whatever you want, I’m not falling for their propaganda like others on here. BTW, if they were such “chosen people” why have they not had a homeland for the past 2,000 years? It was America and Europe that gave them their land. Don’t let that “chosen people” BS
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 6:21pm@Wat
Report Post »You say the Jews control the banks. I’m Jewish and I have no say in what happens in any bank. My only influence on the Senate is the ability to vote. As for Hollywood, I wish I had control enough to stop them from airing a lot of things. Clearly I do not fit the model you have provided. If you model doesn’t fit it is you who must reevaluate not us.
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 6:26pmSo no one be critical about Israel. Just let them do whatever they want. Keep sending them money, though.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:13pm@silly
Report Post »No one’s asking you to support liberal Jews and sustain them. The question is, if you saw someone, even someone you disagreed with, about to be beaten or worse, would you be the person helping them out or the one watching as they suffered. You say you won’t support the Jews unless they stop voting Democrat? What about Jews that have never voted Democrat? And as for your whole “Jews are an ethnicity” thing, ethnicity has nothing to do with politics and ideology. What you’re looking for is culture. And since many so called Jews, including most Hollywood and Marxist Jews, have abandoned their native culture and religion for a new one, (as have many so called Christians), they can no longer be grouped with Jews like myself who still live as Jews. To dispute that statement is on par with saying the founding fathers were Englishmen and not Americans.
Ibanez6
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:32pmWell, I can’t speak for conservatives in general but I can speak for genuine Bible believing Christians in general. We know that Jewish people by and large are politically very liberal and stand diametrically opposed to us ideologically on many issues, but what often gets overlooked and misunderstood is the fact that we love the Jews because they are God‘s or YHWH’s chosen people. God HAS NOT cast away His people (Israel) as some these days seem to believe. He loves them; they are the apple of His eye and WE Christians love them because WE love HIM and we also know that whoever blesses Israel will be blessed and whoever curses Israel will be cursed. THAT is what was spoken to Abraham thousands of years ago and is something this current administration needs to take heed too. If you oppose Israel and the Jewish people you basically make God your ememy.
Report Post »Mil Mom
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:33pm@UPHOLDEROFTHECONSTITUTION
Report Post »RE : WHY?
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You’re reply may have been a little “forceful” but is sooooo “on the money” it’s not because of what someone has done, or not done, not the heritage of the people, not even their wisdom in speech or behavior. My kid in the military is constantly saying, “I think they’re REALLY STUPID, but I’m willing to fight to the death for their right to be stupid.”
Thank you for taking and keeping that oath. A mom can only sit on her side of it and look on and love and defend those who do take the oath, wear the uniform and give up so much for the rest of us. Meantime, I was praying someone more wise than I would answer that diatribe, sometimes God works in Mysterious Ways! (Should be a quote here but I can’t properly cite it!) You did a very good job without being extremely vulgar.
Wat Tyler
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 10:22am@ MIL MOM = Mother Sheep/Lemming.
They’re counting on fools like you to offer up your offspring for their New World Order that YOU benefit zero from.
Keep up the good work!
Report Post »reasonableconservative
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 12:00pmJohn Hagee is on record saying that there are two ways to heaven–one for the Jews and one for everyone else. If that is the case, then God is a liar and His Word is false. To quote the Apostle
Report Post »Peter, a Jew, “There is no other name given among men by which we are redeemed.” That name, that Person, is Jesus. Hagee and his fellow Zionists are adherents of “replacement theology.” They are using their so-called friendship with Israel to hasten the arrival of the 12th Imam (the Anti-Messiah) which they think will cause Jesus to come back a first time to rapture out the saints and leave Israel to her own devices until they figure it out at which point, according to them Jesus will come back AGAIN. If anyone can tell me where it says Jesus comes back TWICE, I would be very glad to know that. The Apostle Paul, a Jew, said that the job of the Gentile believers is to “provoke the children of Israel (Jews) to jealousy” so that they will get to the place where they proclaim, “Hosanna! Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!” as they welcome Yeshua Messiah back to claim His disciples. When the Jews hear people promoting a theology that leaves Israel hanging around to deal with the mess after the Gentiles have been “raptured out,” I don’t think too many of them are jealous of that pie-in-the-sky thought. My Messianic Jewish friends consider Hagee a threat to the unity that Jesus prayed for in John 17. I am sad that Glenn has been bamboozled by Hagee-he’s a fals
reasonableconservative
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 12:24pmJohn Hagee is a false prophet and a danger to the people of Israel. Therefore, CUFI is a threat to the people and land of Israel. It should not be considered “The Modern-Day Righteous Gentiles.”
Report Post »kalli
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 12:28pmUnfortunately, I believe you are the one who’s been bamboozled. Furthermore, Jesus meets His church in the clouds as Paul discusses in Thes. which begins the Day of the Lord. As I have studied the Word, His return with His church will end the 7 year tribulation with the last and final war at Armageddon. And lastly, It is unfortunate that you need to paint Pastor Hagee the way you did. He has endured much worst than that.
Report Post »JeffJ1985
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 12:33pmExactly. There is no Israel except the Church, because the Church is the new Israel. When the curtain tore in the temple, the jig was up. This is the teaching of supercessionalism, which Christianity has always taught. This is Christianity 101. The covenant passed to the Church. It did not sprout a new path to salvation.
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 12:36pmMost people don’t know that there is race of semitic people who have lived as hebrews and then as jews in modern day israel, who are descended from the killer Cain. Who was sired by the old serpent(Satan)
Report Post »This race is called Kennites, or the offspring of Cain. As a group, they have always been opposed to God and his plan of salvation. They can’t be distinguished from Talmudic Jews except in action…There are no deeper satanists anywhere. This their time to shine, just like satanists all over the world. “Old Scratch” is with us now. There will be no mercy, that is NOT in his agenda.
The weak minded among us will now attempt to cement their place in the devil’s hierarchy, with heinous acts. Just remember there are worse things than death…much worse things.
JeffJ1985
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 12:43pm@ KALLI
No. The Jews killed their own God. The One who fed them manna was given gall, and the One who gave them water from the rock was given vinegar. The One who saved them from Egypt was nailed to the cross.
The Trinity is God, and Jesus is one of the Trinity, and the Trinity has one will. Therefore the Jews’ rejection of Jesus is a rejection of God, the same God that made a covenant with Abraham. Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through Him, and if one does not eat His body and drink His blood, they have no life in them, and the Apostle says one is saved by baptism.
The covenant was the shadow of the final revelation in Jesus. The covenant was superceded with that final revelation.
The covenant remains for Jews, but it is no longer by virtue of genetics. It is by virtue of faith, baptism, and communion, and it is open to all.
Report Post »kalli
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:12pm@JEFFJ
Report Post »The purpose for the birth of Christ was to die on the cross as a substitution for us sinners that would give us everlasting life to those who believe in Him. All prophecy was fulfilled with His birth to His death according to God’s plan. The Jews had to call for His crucifixion in order for prophecy to be fulfilled. Only Jews could be hung on a cross, but the Romans crucified Him as it was prophesied they would. Jesus even told His disciples this had to happen. There are many, many Jews who still do not believe that Jesus was here once, but there are many Jewish Rabbis now teaching the scriptures that prove Jesus did indeed come. There is not one prophecy in the Bible that has not happened except for those to come in the Book of Revelation. And those are coming quicker than we think.
kalli
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:15pm@Jeff : One more thing…God is not only the Jews’ God, He is the Creator and God of all mankind and all the universe.
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:40pmHaving said what you said do you believe that the rapture of Christs church is at hand? I am believing it is and as Christians we need not only to preach the gospel of Christs death burial and resurrection as well as making AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS for those left behind.
We can not only have an impact in the here and now but also in the future when we are not here. I did a video explaining this and link to it below
http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:43pmYou must not have actually listened to Pastor Hagee (or read the Bible) Hebrews who died prior to the coming of Christ have salvation through the First Covenant through following the law and providing blood sacrifices for remission of sin as described in the Torah. Those of us after the New Covenant are saved through the blood sacrifice of Jesus’ grace.
The church (as defined by the New Covenant) will be removed from the earth during the rapture. The tribulation period is a time where the Jews are to really get a clue as to how Jesus is the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and the messiah so they can be saved – then Jesus returns (the 2nd coming) and then the judgement for those who still have not accepted God’s gift of saving grace
Report Post »kalli
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:55pm@KAYDEEBEAU: Beautifully stated! God bless.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 6:15pmJesus meets his church in the clouds. I hope there are Pegasuses too! I love Pegasuses.
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 6:16pmWhy do you all keep arguing about something that never happened in the first place? How futile your lives must be.
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 6:49pm@FOXHOLE
You just typed that out without thinking………..didn’t you?
You seem to be rather prolific today. Everywhere I look I see your silly little avatar.
Next time, I would stick with just one “Five hour energy”
Report Post »FoxholeAtheist
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 7:09pmI see quite a number of people posting today. If I didn’t know any better, I would think you rather enjoy my little bits of truth and wisdom. Either that or you’re stalking me.
Report Post »GKS
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:09pmHagee is a self-satisfied buffoon who has failed to answer the obvious question: “If the Jews already had a way to heaven then why did Jesus Christ waste His time preaching to them out of all the peoples of the earth?”
Report Post »BORNINTOAWORLDATWAR
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:21pmHey wanta be Foxholer
I think the real question is why are you here ?
No one really cares what the deniers think.
Go back to your hole
Report Post »Fitz of DE
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:39amAs one who believes the BIBLE, and trusts in the will of Y H V H for HE so LOVED THE WORLD…to send his only begotten son JESUS to complete (finish-fulfill) the LAW. & will return again to finish the work of the Father & promises made to Abraham. Issac & Israel—as the gentiles have been gradted into the TREE of LIFE upon believing—So we stand with the founding Fathers of the USA–One Nation Under GOD, so we must stand with the Original– THe Nation Israel & promises made to Abram, then Abraham…..-Psalm 83, with Isaiah 17 then to Ezekiel 36,37 & 38—
Report Post »Are you READY ???
GKS
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:38amThere are two issues here. Firstly, rational support of a democratic state regardless of religion(s) or locale and secondly, “Christian Zionism” which is a naive modern Evangelical Christian ideology that has no historical basis. “Christian Zionists” simplistically confuse the modern state of Israel with the Biblical Israel which was being prepared for the coming of the Messiah. The Messiah, Jesus Christ, was not only rejected but handed over to deicide by the Jewish leadership, the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom and the Church, the Bride of Christ, became the New Israel. Those Jews who reject Jesus Christ still await another messiah who will be the Antichrist. What is most amazing is either the total ignorance of these Evangelicals to the horrendous references to Jesus Christ in the Talmud (“the son of a whore”) or their complicity and connivance for reasons best known to them. Support of the state of Israel surrounded by hostile Islamic nations has nothing to do with “Christian Zionism.”
Report Post »Fitz of DE
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:44amWHAT IS not true–the church never ever replace ISRAEL—false statement by you! Read Romans 11 & re read the prophets !
Report Post »midwesthippie
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:37am…most American jews won’t stand with isreal…or America for that matter. and really what does “stand with isreal” really mean? does it mean American soldiers have go to war and kill and die for the cause. does it mean that America (alone) should spend countless billions for the cause. god bless isreal…they are in a tough spot but it was created by the U.N. not the USA. if you want to stand with isreal strap on an AK-47 and help them protect their borders. p.s. are we the only “christian” nation in the world…no one else seems to be willing to “stand with isreal”…
Report Post »Mike777
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:17amwell said I will stand with you.
Report Post »bsnrn98
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:08amGod says, ” I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you,” Israel will eternally be blessed. I will stand with Israel.
Report Post »ltemp
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:57amThe tie that binds the Jewish people and the Christian is Jesus. This is where it begins and ends for many. The nation wanted a sign, that was given in 70 A.D. The destruction of the temple. Has the temple risen since. “NO” Paul of the new testament makes it clear to you and in your own writings. He was one of your own, trained and groomed by the best to be one of the greats for his time. The thing that he did, you as a nation refuse to do. Go back and search your scriptures. God asks for a humble heart to hear His word don’t we owe Him that much? You have much to teach the ignorant, arrogant Christian. Most do not know the truth of the Sabbath or the state of the dead. What about the wonderful truth of God’s sanctuary message. Their own leaders refuse to teach then and walk as the blind leading the blind.You have the unique position of teaching Christians the truths they so desperately need. Dare to step out of the world just as Danial.
Report Post »kalli
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:55amI support CUFI and Pastor Hagee’s efforts in these end times. It is all about Israel, and we are definitely seeing prophecies fulfilled of the signs that our Lord’s return is drawing nigh. It’s like watching a chess game with God placing all the pieces in place for the ultimate “checkmate”.
Headlines are increasing daily with “wars and rumor of wars, and “nation rising against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.” MAT 24:6-7 The Middle East is quickly formatting the caliphate, many diseases are on the rise (whooping cough, TB, hepatitus, plague, etc.; famines (drought, record heat, record cold, record weather-related catastrophies). Any unbelievers should read The Harbinger…if that doesn’t convince you this nation is under the judgment of God, nothing will. John McTernan wrote in “As America Has Done To Israel” that 3 wars will happen in the end times according to scripture. “The first war will destroy Damascus and the nation of Syria will cease to exist.” America has deteriorated greatly these past 4 years, and if the current admin remains, I see America ceasing to be the great power it has been. Probably why America is not mentioned in end times prophecy. Rejoice in the Lord! Keep sober and know the victory has already been won through our Saviour Jesus Christ!
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:00amWould you please watch my video title ‘Make your own AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS’ and let me know what you think and if you agree with what you see would you help me spread the word for others to do the same?
http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
Report Post »kalli
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:34am@TheRaptureComes: I did watch your video. We are instructed to be disciples to the world of which there is an urgent need today as time is running short. How each of us who follow Christ do this, must be done through prayer and letting the Holy Spirit lead us to do His will. God bless you in your endeavors to help those who will be left behind.
Report Post »JeffJ1985
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:00pmSounds like the heresy of chiliasm. This false teaching was invented in the 3rd and 4th centuries, and eventually became such a problem that the church came together and condemned it and the people who were teaching it. The condemnation was so strong, and the heresy so damaging to the faith, that the Church decided the baptisms performed by chiliastic teachers were invalid.
And this preoccupation with the end times is similar to the 1st century Jews’ preoccupation with genealogies. The wise apostles told us not to get wrapped up in such things. The fact is, we don’t know when Christ will return. But we do know that we will all die, and some will die unexpectedly. If you prepare to stand before the Judgment Seat, which is certain to happen, you are also prepared for the Second Coming, which may not happen in our lifetimes.
Excessive concern over the second coming is a distraction. Focus on living a Christian life, and Christ will return when he is good and ready. And if you are living a Christian life, you’ll be ready for it whenever it happens.
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:27pmJEFFJ1985
Are you kidding me? Jesus Christ scolded the Jews for not knowing the day of His arrival.
We may not know the day or hour but we have a general time frame and we are told to be watchful. The generation that saw Israel become a nation again will be the same generation that will see the 2nd advent.
That generation is now 64 years old and the rapture happens prior to the 7 year tribulation. We are at the very door and you act like it is no big deal.
Tell that to all of those who reject the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as they stand there mere seconds after the rapture takes place.
We are to be ready, watching.
Report Post »SAS6907
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:38amGod does bless those who bless Israel. As long as we are on nation under God, we will be blessed.
Report Post »That means this president must go because he believes that we are not even a Christian nation.
Individualism
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:23amwhat about united for America huh, why aren’t they loyal to this country? why don’t they move there is they love that place so much? why should Americans who don’t give a crap about that country be made to give their money to it? why should our troops die for their interests not this countries? our relations with that country have been far more a burden than a help to this country.
Report Post »Polwatcher
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:06amHelping a friend in need takes nothing away from helping our own. Helping enemies in need, like Hillary (and Bush) does every day, does nothing for our own. Our elite and ruling class has deluded themselves into thinking that by giving money to our enemies, we are making friends with them. This is complete loonasy. The few Christian friends that we have in the Middle East have been decimated by our Muslim enemies with the help of our aide dollars.
The people of Israel are our coulural brothers and sisters. This is particularly true for Christians (and Jews) in the US. They are the only stable government with democratic institutions in the Middle East. And yet we see everyday that our government spends gazillions to support the Muslim Brotherhood who is Israel’s (and our) blood enemy. The Brotherhood has dedicated their lives to destroying us and we give them the money to do it..
Report Post »Neils60
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:27amIsrael has never, ever asked for American troops to defend its nation. American hardware, yes.
Report Post »As you’re aware, when President George W. Bush spoke to then Prime Minister Sharon about America’s plans to remove Sadam Hussein from Iraq, Sharon advised President Bush not to do so, as it would be far too costly for America.
Most importantly, G-D bless CUFI.
ChildofJesus
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:11amI‘ll stand with God’s chosen. Till my last breath if need be.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:41amI take it you’re a Christian. Therefore you are God’s chosen as well.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:07amAlthough there were just about 5,000 in attendance at the Washington Summit, there were many thousands more who could not be there in person. But were there in support of the Jewish people and CUFI in heart, spirit and of the same mind that could not afford to make the trip. I am one of those and stand with Israel! Great article!
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:26amMany of us watched it on TV or online live…..
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:06amMost idiots don‘t even realize that modern Zionism’s ancestry is actually deeply rooted in what is called ‘Labor Zionism’ (or simply Marxism):
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“The philosophical outlook of Zionism as well as its early practical development in Ottoman Turkish times and under the British Mandate, cannot be understood without examining the history of Socialist and Labor Zionism. Even before the beginnings of Zionist settlement, Moses Hess, a former friend of Karl Marx, laid the foundations for secular and socialist Zionism in his book Rome and Jerusalem.
Zionists of the second wave of immigration, the second Aliya, who came to Palestine between about 1903 and 1914, were greatly influenced by socialist, anarchist and Tolstoyan ideology which abounded in their native Russia in that period. Ber Borochov and Nachman Syrkin became disillusioned with the program of Russian socialists, and founded the Poalei Tziyon (workers of Zion) socialist Zionist movement. Borochov synthesized Marxism and Zionism, by fitting the national struggle into the rubric of class struggle. His famous essay, National Question and the Class Struggle maintained that the nation was the best institution through which to conduct the class struggle.”
Labor Zionism
This is why so many real Jews oppose the Zionists/Marxists.
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:27amPropaganda. Zionism predates all of your political references. To understand why some Jews do not embrace Christian Zionism, one would have to read and understand the book of Romans, (in particular), and the rest of the New Testament. Not what you “learned” in your political studies. Wherever they came from. People like you are the ones that CUFI is trying to educate with the truth. Give them a chance.
Report Post »KidCharlemagne
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:04amRational Man
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:27am
Propaganda. Zionism predates all of your political references.
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Are you denying that Moses Hess (collaborator with Karl Marx) set the wheels in motion for the modern-day nation of Israel?:
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“He was an early proponent of socialism, and a precursor to what would later be called Zionism. His works included Holy History of Mankind (1837), European Triarchy (1841) and Rome and Jerusalem The Last National Question, (1862). He married a Catholic working-class woman, Sibylle Pesch, in defiance of bourgeois values. In socialist literature the idea was propagated that she was a prostitute ‘redeemed’ by Hess, but that notion has been refuted by Hess’ biographer Silberner.
Hess originally advocated Jewish integration into the universalist socialist movement, and was a friend and collaborator of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Hess converted Engels to Communism, and introduced Marx to social and economic problems. He played an important role in transforming Hegelian dialectical idealism theory of history to the dialectical materialism of Marxism, by conceiving of man as the initiator of history through his active consciousness.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hess
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Yes or no?
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:37pm@kid
Labor Zionism was only one Zionist movement. There was Religious Zionism, fronted by Abraham Isaac Cook, which took a completely different view on the issue and was certainly not a Marxist in the slightest. Theodore Herzl, the father of modern day Zionism, was a political Zionist, believing that Zionism was simply a necessity to guarantee Jewish survival. Ahad Ha’am (Asher Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg) was a cultural Zionist, who believed in a state that would have a Jewish culture so as to preserve it. Revisionist Zionism, led by Ze’ev Jabotinsky, meanwhile, actively opposed Labor Zionism believing in classical liberalism and holding a rather nationalistic viewpoint of the Jewish state.
While Labor was predominate in the early days of Zionism and Israel, the influx of numerous refugees after 1948 and the failure of socialist policies to produce an industrialized society lead to the demise of the movement’s influence.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:39pm@Kid
Report Post »And by the way, to answer your question, I think Herzl and Weizmann did far more than Hess when it comes to the creation of Israel.
KidCharlemagne
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:13pmtzion
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 1:39pm
@Kid
And by the way, to answer your question, I think Herzl and Weizmann did far more than Hess when it comes to the creation of Israel.
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Hess never got much actual traction by himself for the idea of a national homeland, nevertheless Hess was indeed the inspiration for Herzl’s eventual initiative:
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Report Post »“Hess’s Rome and Jerusalem. The Last National Question went unnoticed in his time, along with the rest of his writings. Most German Jews were bent on assimilation and did not heed Hess’ unfashionable warnings. His work did not stimulate any political activity or discussion. Hess’s contribution, like Leon Pinsker’s Autoemancipation, became important only in retrospect, as the Zionist movement began to crystallize and to generate an audience in the late nineteenth century. When Theodor Herzl first read Rome and Jerusalem he wrote about Hess that “since Spinoza jewry had no bigger thinker than this forgotten Moses Hess” and that he would not have written Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State) if he had known Rome and Jerusalem beforehand. Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky honored Hess in The Jewish Legion in World War as one of those people that made the Balfour declaration possible, together with Herzl, Rothschild and Pinsker.”
tzion
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:07pm@kid
Report Post »Recognizing a contribution does not indicate agreement on all issues. Jabotinsky for instance was part of branch of Zionism that stood opposed to the Labor movement on almost all points as to what the final state would look like. Herzl, meanwhile, only wanted a state for practical reasons and didn’t weigh in heavily on what that state would look like. He even once was willing to accept a state in Uganda but was opposed by most of the other lead Zionists.
THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:03amChristians of today
Time is short, prophecy is being fulfilled right before or eyes (Isaiah 17:1, Isaiah 19, Psalm 83). It is time to double down on our efforts to bring this lost world to Christ.
Very soon the rapture is going to happen and we as an army could do so much for the left behind word by what we do TODAY.
We need to leave bi hind massive amounts of end time information (bibles) for the left behind world.
I have done a video titled appropriately ‘Make your own AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS’ We as Christians can make a huge difference to the left behind world even though we are no longer here because I believe that during the tribulation will be the largest period of time where people will become believers on the death, burial and resurrection of Christ
Please watch my video and then do the same for the sake of the left behind world.
http://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:35pmThe “rapture” is at the sound of the seventh trump … We DO NOT ecsape the trouble that is comming by being “outta here”.
Please … PROVE ME WRONG … I DARE YOU …using scripture only … Please do not use Thessalonians; as you should notice there is no time frame mentioned just the occurance/ event.
What you believe is BAD/FALSE teaching and I believe will lead to the great falling away because people will NOT BE PREPAIRED to be here and this will cause anger and a turning against God … I AM ONLY TRYING TO HELP … I know of what I speak !!!
Report Post »THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 21, 2012 at 3:04pm4TRUTH2ALL
(1) KJV Rev 5:9-10 The Redeemed from every Kindred, tongue, people and nation in heaven as Kings and Priests PRIOR to Rev 6:1 and the Release of the anti christ
(2) 2 Thes 2:6-7 The precise order is given 1st the Restrainer is removed (Holy Spirit) 2nd once removed the AC steps in. I as a Christian am permanently indwelt with The Holy Spirit.
Hebraic studies into ancient customs of the Hebrews points conclusively to a pre trib rapture.
Can you tell me why Christ is called a 1st fruit?
The trump of God is not the 7th trump of an angel. Why do you people keep mixing up the clear language and mixing up trumps.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 3:40pmYo Therapturecomes:
My apologies for not getting back to you sooner … I work some very long days.
Report Post »1) Rev 5 … this does not mention time frame … only those present prior the the seals being opened .. you must ASSUME a rapture has taken place … we do know there are many saved out of /or during the tribulation ….are these the “left behind”?
2) Do you insinuate that the Holy Spirit is COMPLETELY removed from the planet ?
If so, would this not make it impossible for ANYONE to be saved after such?
I could add a personal experience/ word from the LORD here pertaining to the “restraining”. I will say that I believe that God has already removed restraint. and this just being recient … do you not see this?
ALL saved are indwelt >>>
3) Hebraic studies ??? You say nothing of what they are !
4) First fruit … without Jesus … no one else … not sure what that has to do with the “rapture?
5) Trumpet …1Cor.15:52 At the last trumpet … not sure what you mean in the difference of the trumpet of God and the trumpet of angels? … the angels are the messangers sounding the trumpet sent by God to do such,.
6) Who are “you” people ???
justangry
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:35amYes Never Again!! We should never let fascism rear it’s ugly head again. A good way to ensure that it never happens again is to stand tall against the legislation Hitler made law. NDAA anyone? The tactics he used to justify those laws. (terrorism) Nor should we EVER stifle dissent or opposing points of view like the Nazi’s did. (Special shout out to the Blaze moderators)
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:12amYour, “justangry”. Otherwise, why would you try to turn every thread into your own little vendetta against someone you are “justangry” with? It’s tiresome and worthy of ignoring your every post…….
Report Post »justangry
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 12:42pmOh please. I’m genuinely against the holocaust and all other forms of genocide or collectivist extermination of human beings. I think it‘s important that we don’t imitate the policies that allowed it to happen. My post, unlike yours, wasn’t out of anger and I have no vendetta towards anyone. I only want to preserve our freedoms and ensure we don’t make the same mistakes that have been made in the past. If you want to put your head in the sand and trust that it can’t happen here, that’s on you, but I will speak out against what I believe is wrong until my dying breath.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 2:05pmThe perfect storm:
- Corrupt government with unlimited power
- Ignorant population
- Financial chaos
Better turn this thing around quick or we are screwed
Report Post »momrules
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:28amJohn Hagee’s ministry is wonderful. He teaches the Bible, the Word of God. He does not give quarter to popular opinion and political correctness and is unafraid even with constant death threats.
We need more loud voices in defense of and support for Israel in these days of escalating antiSemitism. The hatred for Israel is growing and the haters are becoming more vocal, they are climbing out of the sewers and shadows to infest the public and too often they are met with an approving audience.
God will support Israel. America needs to stand by Israel for God to continue to support America.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:29amYo Momrules:
Great tribulation is comming to Israel … it WILL happen again … God will allow it to happen again … out of that tribulation a remant will be saved in entirity. We as christians are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem … this peace will only happen when Jesus returns .. thus we are in affect praying for the return of Christ. Some say and I would be inclined to agree that it is the prayers of the saints (the believers) that will be the reason and timing of His return. We will see what will happen to the Jews and it will cause us to go to prayer on their behalf, christians will be persecuted world wide, and it will cause us to go to prayer. It will be the crying out in unity of our prayers that God hears and returns to rule; because of the invitation. I believe that the trouble that is comming is the only way that God’s people will do what they need to do, and why God allows it. We do not get raptured, we do not escape it ! We will return to the days of Moses when God heard his people ( 400 years they cried out), they did not gain their freedom, God Almighty ( the warrior God) set them free … He will return in the clouds and the mockery against Him WILL STOP … peace
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:03amI fully agree with you Mom.
Report Post »kalli
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 11:21am@4Truthtoall: “We do not get raptured, we do not escape it !”
Whether or not you believe there is a rapture has no bearing on the facts. Scripture tells us it will happen, and followers of Christ will not suffer the wrath to come.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:21pmYo Kalli:
You are correct … my mistake in my wording … we are caught up the be with Jesus at the sound of the seventh trump, prior to the bowls being released, NOT BEFORE. We do not suffer the wrath of God … never said we do/did ,,, the enemy will be against us and there will be great persecution of the saints … this is in the scriptures !
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:26pmSo do I GONZO …
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:18am…
Report Post »If we don’t stand with Israel, God will turn his back on us, forever.
THERAPTURCOMES
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:57amI do believe He already has
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:11amready, set, queue the trolls……
Report Post »randy
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 9:10amAnd yet, American Jews continue voting for Obama.
Report Post »Stu D. Baker-Hawk
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 10:18amYes, and that troubles me greatly. How can American Jews support the very ones who would not bat an eye as Jews are, once again, fed into the ovens? My brothers and sisters of the Jewish faith, hear me: The Left is NOT your friend. The Left is the anti-Semitic Hollywood types who hate Israel. The Left is communism, who seeks to crush ALL religion and individuality. The Left is fascism (i.e., Nazis), who demand blind and total allegiance to a twisted agenda, who seek out scapegoats (i.e., Jews) to blame for their shortcomings and problems. No, the Left is NOT your friend. Wake up!!!
Report Post »DesertRose1960
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:11pmHave the two of you ever talked to American Jews? Do you have any idea about how Jews go about their lives? If your understanding of the American Jewish community is anything like your understanding of Hollywood or Nazis, the answer is no. Most of the Jews that I know are very suspicious of “Christian Zionists” because most of them are Fundamentalist Christians who only want Jews to exist so the Apocalypse can happen and because they conflate being ethnically Jewish with being religiously Jewish with being a Zionist. I’ve known very few Zionists in my life. My husband and daughters are fine with the existence of Israel but none of them wants to live there. They do not blindly support Israel in whatever she does, either. My husband is always suspicious of Fundamentalist Christians because they have proved, over and over again, that their idea of religious freedom is the freedom to impose their religion onto others. They are free to be Christian, and Jews are free to convert to their brand of Christianity. Just read the posts on this thread. Israel is an independent country, they are an ally, but they also spy on us and they have acted aggressively towards us. Israel needs to work with her neighbors to work out a two state solution. Israel will not last as a single state because the Palestinian population is growing faster than the Jewish population. It will not take more than a generation or two until Jewish Israelis are outnumbered in their country.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 1:27pm@Rosy
Problem number 1: Hamas doesn’t want a two-state solution. There logo proves this to be true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Small_hamas_logo.gif
Problem number 2: PLO doesn’t want a two-state solution. There logo proves this to be true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plo_emblem.png
PFLP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PFLP_flag_smoothed.svg
DFLP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DFLP_flag.png
Islamic Jihad in Palestine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PIJ_emblem.png
Where’s Israel going to exist?
Report Post »ForgivenByTheBlood
Posted on July 22, 2012 at 2:22pmA little history I learned this week from a man whose parents are holocaust survivors. This man’s father, from Romania, watched as Christians, not Nazi’s killed his parents. Living far enough away from Germany, but still under German/Nazi control, all laws had been lifted giving, what I am supposing was a few so called “Christians,” to act as they had always felt toward the Jewish people in their community. The “Christians,” in this man’s eyes killed his parents in front of him, not the Nazis. Put yourself in his shoes. How could you ever vote for a group of people who call themselves Christians? Which are usually conservative/republicans. He also told me 80% of Israelis vote along this same line of thinking.
Report Post »I don’t understand it either. I just remember this everyday…In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness and soundness of speech that can not be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us. Titus 2:7-8