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Church-Affiliated College Becomes First to Ask Applicants If They’re Gay

Elmhurst College Becomes First to Ask Applicants If Theyre Gay

Elmhurst College in Illinois is the first university in the country to directly ask applicants whether they are part of the LGBT community.

Students applying to Elmhurst College in Illinois next fall will face a brand new question on their admissions application: “Would you consider yourself to be a member of the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered) community?”

The question, which is optional, makes the small, private liberal arts school the first in the nation to directly ask prospective students about their sexual orientation, and is part of an effort to aid in outreach to LGBT students.

“Increasing diversity is part of our mission statement,” Gary Rold, Elmhurst’s dean of admissions, told the Chicago Sun-Times. “This is simply closing a loop, in many ways, of another group who has a very strong identity. It may not be race and religion but it’s an important part of who they are.”

The question appears on a page that also asks students about their religious affiliation and if they speak a language other than English at home. Students have the option of responding “yes,“ ”no“ or ”prefer not to answer.” Their answers will not affect admissions decisions, although students who check “yes” may be eligible for a scholarship worth up to one-third of tuition — not unusual, Rold said, because about 60 percent of incoming students receive some scholarship aid.

The most important thing, Rold told the Sun-Times, is that knowing students’ sexual orientations will help school officials steer them toward programs that can help with the transition to college life.

“We try really hard to take good care of students, have them graduate and be successful citizens in the world,” he said. “The only way you do that is to meet people where they really are.”

Shane Windmeyer, executive director of national nonprofit Campus Pride, called it a “pleasant surprise” that Elmhurst, which is affiliated with the United Church of Christ, is the first college to directly ask about identity. Other schools allow students to check boxes indicating participation in LGBT organizations or to write about LGBT-centered activities in application essays.

“It’s important that these youth have a way to express their sexual identity, like their racial identity,” Windmeyer said. “Colleges ask those questions so they can give them the resources to get them to be successful.”

In January, the Common Application, which allows prospective students to apply to more than 400 member schools using just one application, rejected a proposal to add optional questions about gender identity and sexual orientation to its application. At the time, the organization said it could cause students “anxiety and uncertainty” about how to answer, even if it was optional.

Rold told the Sun-Times he expects some students to bristle at the new question, just as they do about questions regarding race and ethnicity. If there are students who choose not to apply as a result of the question, he said he thinks that number will balance out with students who apply specifically because of it.

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  • scarebear83
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:35pm

    It should be fully noted that the United church of Christ is an exact opposite of the churches of Christ. If it says “United” in the front that means they most likely condone homosexuality. If it’s simply (location) church of Christ they most likely do not. I just thought that needed mentioning in case anyone sees the words “church of Christ” and consider running away. Another indicator would be that they have “Preacher So n So or So n So Evangelist (churches of Christ) on the marquee instead of Pastor or Reverend (United).

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    • GayDem4Beck
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:48pm

      Outreach my a$$ – Who cares if they are gay or not ? If they can’t ask if your a legal resident of the country, it shows how backwards we are today.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 3:10pm

      I would state my sexual preference without hesitation…but thenof course….I don’t believe in fornication, adultery, or homosexuality. You know the country has gone to hell when you see a couple of homosexuals strolling around a “Christian” campos hanging all over each other. Christian schools have to maintain standards. I wouldn’t think that they would condone any type of inappropriate behavior. After all, if they did, what Christian would ever want to go there. That is the reason for Christian schools…because some people want a “clean” environment. Last night, Blaze published how they are now teaching young children stories such as a 32 yr ofld woman having an affair with a 13 yr old girl. Obama hired a homosexual Czar to be in charge of school curriculums. If you want to know why this effort of demoralization is going on in our schools. Look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

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    • republicanIDEAS
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 4:20pm

      I went to a small women’s Christian college my first year. I loved the christian moral basis the school promoted but was very dissappointed when I realized they had slacked on their morals and standards due to lack of funds. We had days when we were required to wear dresses (and don’t you dare where a dress or skirt without pantyhose). The girls that were obviously lesbians got away with wearing the dress attire of a man; button up, slacks, and mens dress shoes, while the rest of us walked around in dresses, heals, and pearls. was appaled by the blind eye that the college turned to these women. Even our Christian schools are losing their stance and morals. So sad.

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    • blowback
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 4:24pm

      The devolution of mankind. Remember, it was intolerance that civilized mankind, not tolerance. Pigs are very tolerant. Animals are tolerant. Civilized man is not.

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    • mycomet123
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 5:12pm

      I am tired of the “tolerance” we’re suppose to have for gays & lesbians. We’re suppose to have tolerance for everything in this country EXCEPT Christianity. I know Christians that believe being gay is a sin, but instead of taking a stand admitting it’s an abomination to God, they keep silent because they don’t want to hurt others feelings. It is our responsiblity as Christians to love our gay brothers & sisters and this starts with telling them that what they are doing is a sin. True love doesn’t tolerate let alone condone something that is fundamentally wrong & damaging to anothers soul. True love takes the risk of being accused intolerant or a hater & will still speak the truth for the well being of another. I believe we are our brothers keeper. If someone is heading for a cliff don’t we have the responsibility of warning them–or does that only apply to the physcial realm & not the spiritual.

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    • BSdetector
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 6:58pm

      So they’re openly discriminating against straight people.

      Up is Down
      Hot is Cold
      Good is Evil…

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    • ACLUHater
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 7:00pm

      I am ashamed at how the liberals have destroyed America.

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  • SamIamTwo
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:35pm

    Meh, no different than the questionnaire for health care.

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    • mils
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 3:47pm

      if you are private and do your own funding…i see no harm….if you get gov money, you know you are wrong

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    • SheriS
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 8:29pm

      Spending a major part of my life in the Chicago area, Elmhurst College used to have a strong church affilation! I‘m not sure how strong it remains as I’ve been gone 16 years from the Chicago area. I know some ministers who graduated from Elmhurst then went on to seminary! They expected their students to study some religious courses and live a Christian life! They have every right to pick and choose who they admit as does every college and university I know of does! GET OVER IT!

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  • THX-1138
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:31pm

    Lawsuit.

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 6:34pm

      Yes because we all know homosexuals/hermaphrodites and crossdressers in colleges today are so not militant and keep very much to themselves. We need programmes like these to bring them out of their self imposed cloisters.

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  • Ronko
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:31pm

    The school has no business asking what my orientation is. I would write next to the answer NOYDB and if they don’t like it well screw them.

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  • BillyPenn
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:24pm

    Gives new meaning to co-ed dorms !

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 6:30pm

      ah yes…the disaster that is the liberal arts in colleges today.

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  • TraceyM
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:17pm

    It’s a private college, if you don’t like you need not apply.

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    • rangerp
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:26pm

      do not have to worry about sending my kids to that school.

      Looks like they have a desire to reach out to the wicked. What is next? they going to try to diversify, and include pedophiles, and folks that have sex with chickens?

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    • SmoothCrimiNole
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:29pm

      just because it is private, doesn‘t mean it isn’t publicly funded…there are a very limited amount of colleges that don’t have government funding. I’m sure they accept tuition funds from federal sources which by that action do have obligations to the USGOV……just sayin…

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    • seanscythe
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:30pm

      I’m a lesbian trapped inside a mans body. Lucky me! n_n

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    • woodyb
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 5:49pm

      Sorry, SMOOTHIE, but the college recieves tuition funds from STUDENTS. It is the STUDENTS who are taking the federal funds, not the college!!!!!!!!!!!

      When you receive money from a loan or scholarship, it becomes YOUR money — no longer belongs to the supplier. It is then YOUR obligation to repay any loans (although I understand he taxpayers are paying the college loans of congressional aides!)!!!!!

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    • notatoomah
      Posted on August 26, 2011 at 8:30am

      No, the only funds you have to pay back are Loans, all the rest are federal entitlement programs that contribute to our national debt. Not only are liberal college kids godless, they are ill-informed.

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  • TxMadMac
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:10pm

    Unholy and turning away from God’s word and they call themselves a religeous college ? Not !!! This is as worldly as it gets with the exception of strippers & whores ! I guess whats coming along next, hey murderers, rapists and thieves , have we got a scholarship for you ! You poor babies, you musta had a bad childhood. I’m so sick of this insanity !!!

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    • ProudMinnesotan
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 8:51pm

      Nahh. You just really need to calm down man. What this college is doing has zero effect on your day to day life; I just dont understand how gays arise such a hatred in you. Do you literally loose sleep at night because you know that somewhere two men, or two women are having sex with each other? I have a better idea and practice what your savior preaches; focus more on the meek, weak in spirit, try and be more merciful, less judgmental, etc. Just be happy! This is America and every one has the right to happiness; and two dudes go at it doesnt really effect anyone at all. PEACE

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  • Chuck Stein
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:09pm

    I can see a “straight” guy playing with them & checking “yes” — because he is “a lesbian trapped in a man’s body”.

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    • Elena2010
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:14pm

      Especially if it means dollars toward tuition and books!

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    • SacredHonor1776
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 4:04pm

      Exactly!

      or he/she could just claim to be ‘bisexual’ while he’s there, and date girls (or girl dating a guy)! Who‘s going to be able to check if’s he or she is the real deal?

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    • Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
      Posted on August 26, 2011 at 9:48pm

      Never work. They would direct you to the student health center, and they would put you on a course of meds to make your balls shrink and your boobs grow and completely kill your libido. For a few bucks off your room?

      Even the bi-sexual thing would never work. I’ve never known a heterosexual male as stuck up about it as you guys who could tolerate being in the same room with a bunch of LGBT people. And the first time you assault a gay/bi- guy who came onto you, how would you claim “homosexual panic” if you’re supposed to be one yourself?

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  • Leperus
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:05pm

    “Optional Question”
    That being said, its a private college, who gives are crap?
    Be a smart consumer of education. If you don’t like what they stand for, don’t go there.

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  • nptden
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:02pm

    The Marxist/Progressives are performing their social engineering. It’s outrageous. Wake up white America, before it is too late.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:05pm

      Don’t you have a cross burning and a torch rally to attend?

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    • Attention2Detail
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:07pm

      Wake up white America? Does one have to be white to be intelligent or moral?

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    • Americaisalwaysrightevenwhenitswrong
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:41pm

      so marxists = progressives = homosexuals? I don’t understand the logic or the connection.

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    • LIBERTARIAN T38
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 11:32pm

      So, how long have you worked for the Obama administration? I mean, how many people does Obama pay to monitor web sites like The Blaze?

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:02pm

    Do they ask them to prove it?

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  • Attention2Detail
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:55pm

    Great, if you have a marginal application, just check yes and get special treatment. I sure hope they don’t ask you to prove it.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:04pm

      I have no idea how I feel about this – that questions is asked in a lot of situations but I am not sure if a college application is one of them. Interesting! http://wp.me/pYLB7-1d4

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:10pm

      You surprise me Walkwithme, I figured you would be all for this. Maybe there is hope for you yet…

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:49pm

    Since when does sex orientation make you smart or athletic? Shows that the college is a mental midgit

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    • Attention2Detail
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:16pm

      What does athletics have to do with education either. We need to get back to where education is about education. The goal of education used to be becoming educated, now it is just job training. I’m all for job training, but let’s not confuse it with education.

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    • LookTowardsTheLight
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 3:09pm

      @Attention2Detail

      I agree with you. There are more scholarships given to students who give it all playing a kids game vs those who gave it all in academics where it really counts. It doesn‘t matter if you’re an idiot if you can throw a 95mph pitch or shoot a basketball then here have a free education. A liberal must have invented that concept >.<

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  • Gypsy123
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:48pm

    Parents with straight kids better run from that college.

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  • AlansTigg
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:48pm

    damn, my head just exploded

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  • trolltrainer
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:48pm

    Well, many denominations are whitewashing homosexuality and many homosexuals do not consider it to be a sin. Many churches are even accepting homosexuality.

    In answer to your second question, I believe you have a good point and I also believe a school has a right to set requirements and codes of conduct and to expel those who do not meet them. However, to put it in another perspective, is homosexuality any different than any other sin? Sin is sin. So how can any school educate a liar knowing they are a liar? Or someone who lusts? The school does not need to distinguish the sin, only enforce the code of conduct.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:52pm

      My post was in answer to another that has disappeared…for no apparent reason…

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    • hi
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:52pm

      I agree but why do they get a scholarship over the fornicator?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:58pm

      obviously, they shouldn’t! I would also run as fast as I could from any Christian school or denomination that condones homosexuality…But that is just me…

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:08pm

      trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:58pm
      obviously, they shouldn’t! I would also run as fast as I could from any Christian school or denomination that condones homosexuality…But that is just me…
      __________________________
      Thank God your views are at death’s door. As America progresses her views are becoming more enlightened, no longer wed to primative beliefs.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:14pm

      Encinom,

      You are as far from God as is humanly possible. I understand your views and why you believe you are right. That is fine. I am also not for legislating morality, I do not care one way or another about gay rights or gay marriage. What the government does is irrelevant. It is a sin, and will continue to be viewed as such by the majority of Americans, at least for the next generation or two, who are predominately Christian. I do not care what you do with your lover in the privacy of your own home, but I will not support or condone sin.

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    • AlansTigg
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:17pm

      Amen Trolltrainer!

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 3:24pm

      @Troll Trainer..I do agree with you completely about the enforcement of a code of conduct. But as for every sin like any other…I have my doubts about that one. What did Jesus say to Pontius Pilot? Pilot was distraught about the predictament of having to kill and innocent man..and Jesus said to Him “Your sin is not as great as the one who turned me over to you.”

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 3:31pm

      Encinom…Troll Trainer..is telling you the truth. You can be obstinate and run from God all you want. Try reading Romans 9 21-23. This will explain your delimma.

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    • LookTowardsTheLight
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 3:49pm

      @encinom

      Thanks to your so called “progress”, the country has become more and more accepting of poor behavior…more excepting of EVIL. Yea that’s right I said it. (An ode to Mark Levin).

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    • LookTowardsTheLight
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 3:52pm

      @ashestoashes

      EVIL like @encinom doesn’t believe in the scriptures. He believes in the Church of Soros.

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 5:42pm

      @LookTowardsTheLight

      Sorry, I just don’t treat the bible as a buffet, picking and choose outdated morals. The bible calls for honor killing for daughters who are less than virgins on their wedding day and capital punishment for those that break an of the biblical laws like shaving or breaking the sabbath. Wearing cloth of different fibers a sin, eating pork, shell fish or any other unclean animal, sin, tattoos, sin.

      DO you follow the scriptures or do you pick and choose.

       
    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 6:02pm

      Encinom,

      I am going to try and explain this to you in a way you will understand because I am tired of your complete lack of understanding of what Christianity even is.

      God gave the JEWS the law to show man that no matter what man does he will never uphold that law. The law is a mirror to show us that we are ALL sinners and cannot possibly live up to God’s Holy standard. But…If you read the Old Testament carefully you will see many prophecies of a future Messiah who would become the ultimate sacrifice for us all. To save you time just read Isaiah 52:13-53:12. This is a short passage that even you should be able to handle.

      When Jesus came He did not change the law…He FULFILLED IT!!! See if you can comprehend this. You are no longer bound by the law. Instead you need to be bound to Christ. Once you surrender to the Holy Spirit you will be guided along the right path, though it is possible to stray. I lose patience with you, that is not what God wants. But we are all only human and even Paul had his thorn in the flesh. We just do the best we can.

      So in answer, you can absolutely NOT pick and choose. However, you MUST put Scripture in the proper context, something an unsaved person has no chance of doing or understanding. It is like a 3 year old arguing politics with grown ups.

      So go play Encinom…

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 6:55pm

      @trolltrainer

      So, since the prohibition against homosexuality was found in the old testiment, in Deuts. (like the law against Tattoos, which follows), then when Christ died on the cross that law along with the rest was fulfilled and no longer valid. So, why don’t you believe in Christ than, I mean your moral cursade goes against your belief in the fulfillment of the law.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 7:16pm

      Encinom writes:

      @trolltrainer

      So, since the prohibition against homosexuality was found in the old testiment, in Deuts. (like the law against Tattoos, which follows), then when Christ died on the cross that law along with the rest was fulfilled and no longer valid. So, why don’t you believe in Christ than, I mean your moral cursade goes against your belief in the fulfillment of the law.
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      sigh…WTF are you even going on about? First off, homosexuality is mentioned numerous times in the NT also, but I think you have missed the point…

      Sin is still sin. Just because Christ atoned for ALL sin still does not make it right to sin…But if you have noticed my posts since we have known each other you will note that I do not have a crusade against gays. I really couldnt care less that you are gay. I have even stated that a gay can be a Christian…Much to the chagrin of many brothers in here…But it is still sin. If a gay is a true, born again Christian he will eventually be convicted of his sin and will overcome it. Sometimes we have to grapple with sin, but through the strength of our Lord we prevail.

      I don’t know what your line of thought here is, I cannot follow it. I think you are just trying to catch me with a gotcha statement, but your point is irrelevant. Yes, Christ atoned for the homosexual’s sin, but that homosexual still needs to accept Christ. That, in turn, will convict him o

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 7:26pm

      @TT

      Okay in an earlier post, in response to my comment about buffet line Christians picking and choosing what Old Testament laws they would follow (you know, honor killer not a sin, wearing cotton and wool blends is a sin) you wrote “When Jesus came He did not change the law…He FULFILLED IT!!! See if you can comprehend this. You are no longer bound by the law. Instead you need to be bound to Christ.“ Now you write ”Sin is still sin. Just because Christ atoned for ALL sin still does not make it right to sin…” So now you are still going to hell for eating shrimp, while working on the Sabbath (or least still will get stoned for such an offense). By the way I am Catholic, so alot of the born-again mumble jumble I am not buying.

      Again, the question, are you okay with selling your daughter into slavery as the bible sets forth?

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 7:33pm

      @ LOOKTOWARDSTHELIGHT.. First of all, I really like your moniker.Secondly, about Encinom. I think that he or she is being pulled toward the light and doesn’t even realize it. I heard of 2 atheists being saved in a hospital room. One was the surgeon the other a patient. While the patient was dying he started crying to the doctor to save him because he was in hell. The doc pulled him through. then the same thing happened again and he begged the doctor to say a prayer for him, the surgeon said the sinners prayer that he heard on television, and the patient repeated it. Then it happened again. This time the patient was telling the surgeon that he was in heaven. When he awakened, he didn’t remember being in hell, but the surgeon did ..and hence the surgeon was saved also. God can work miracles. Encinom…I hope that you turn your life over to your Creator. He knows better what’s best for us than we do. Just start by getting into His word and find yourself a church group. You will never regret it.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 7:41pm

      Encinom:

      “By the way I am Catholic, so alot of the born-again mumble jumble I am not buying.”
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      There is your problem. I am not bashing your religion, I grew up Catholic. But by necessity you believe original sin is atoned at infant baptism but then you need to atone for further sin through confession. You do not find this in the Bible. I could explain why this is but I do not have the time nor space…

      Jesus atoned for all sin. Period. There is only 1 requirement to claim this free gift. Simply believe. But this word believe goes beyond what we think of today. It is a surrender, a giving of your self, opening your heart to Him. Being born again. I am not going to quote you all the verses, but look what Jesus tells Nicodemus in John chapter 3. If you are not born again, if you do not surrender to Christ, then you will go to hell. If you are born again you are saved. Period. It does not matter what you do, you are saved.

      Now, this is the part you are missing. If I am saved then why not rape, pillage, and plunder? Because I am saved! A Spirit led Christian just would not do these things, he strives to be as close to God as possible. When you are born again the Holy Spirit enters your heart…literally, as in you FEEL it. You know. You change. You strive to not sin.

      Please, do not take my word on this. Please talk to a born again minister, pastor, preacher. Read the Bible.

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    • SpeckChaser
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 8:25pm

      @Ashes

      “Your sin is not as great as the one who turned me over to you.”

      I think the point is “the wages of sin is death.” A person who told a lie would receive the same wage as a person who killed 1000 people, assuming neither accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. I believe Jesus would think killing 1000 people is worse than telling a lie, but he died for all of it.

      @Encinom

      My mother was raised Catholic, along with her 7 brothers and sisters. I am familiar with the teachings, but TT is right about accepting Jesus. As seen with the sinner on the cross. The only thing the sinner did was simply accept Jesus for who he said he was, nothing else. Jesus told him today you will be with me in paradise.

      Romans 10:9
      That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 9:29pm

      @Speckchaser..Yes I am familiar with Romans 10:9 So do you believe that if you simply make and believe this confession, that you are free to live your life any way that you are so compelled and that you will be permitted to enter the kingdom of heaven?

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    • SpeckChaser
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 10:59pm

      @Ashes

      Not sure how you got accepting Jesus as a get out of hell free card from my post, but this is what I think. I don’t agree with the idea that someone who sincerely makes that confession can go forth and live as if they are the ruler of their life. It’s a contradiction. Pardon the silly example, but one who begs for a chauffeur and receives one, then tells the chauffeur no thanks I want to drive, probably didn’t want a chauffeur to begin with. Basically, I do not think the person from your example believed in the first place.

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    • LookTowardsTheLight
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 11:13pm

      @ashestoashes

      Thank you, I really like your posts and you seem like a person the avg joe sinner like me can learn from.

      @Enciniom

      I too have learned a lot from you. You are a great professor of all things HATE and TWISTING OF WORDS AND TRUTHS.

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    • ashestoashes
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 11:31pm

      @SPECKCHASER Thank you for answering that question. I know so many who have been told that the less that they know, the better off they will be with the Lord when it comes to sin. I have someone very close to my heart who just wants 5 minutes alone with God before they die and they live their life as they wish in adultery. I believe that a preacher somewhere down the line is responsible for their belief. As for the two theives on the cross, I cannot know what truly went down there, but I know that the attitude of the one to whom Jesus said”This day..you will be with me in paradise.”. is reminescent of the passage in Romans 9:21-23, the Lord tells us that He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy, and that there are those created for destruction. But I know that He could see into this man’s heart upon the cross.Thanks again..it just helps to clarify..

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  • momprayn
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:48pm

    Beyond stupid. But considering the church, not surprising. They are one of those that have gone into apostasy:
    “On this July 4, the United Church of Christ has courageously acted to declare freedom, affirming marriage equality, affirming the civil rights of gay – of same-gender – couples to have their relationships recognized as marriages by the state, and encouraging our local churches to celebrate those marriages,”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/national/05church.html

    These kind of “churches” are growing unfortunately. They teach that it’s not a sinful lifestyle. They also have other teachings that are not biblical. Jesus weeps.

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    • hi
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:00pm

      They should be called “United Church Against Christ.”

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    • encinom
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:10pm

      If God is homophobic, why does he continue to create gays?

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 2:19pm

      Enciniom, this is your problem! First off, I do not believe you even believe in God. If you do then you are wasting your time because you do not have a clue!

      But God does not create gays! Gays are not born. There is no gay gene. Homosexuality is a sexual perversion manifested from the turning away from God. Your very words throughout this article show this is true, you accept homosexuality because you do not accept God’s Word.

      God freely gives you the choice to turn away from Him. This is your test, you made your choice. If God is good with that then so am I.

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    • Jus-sayin
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 3:52pm

      @ trolltrainer
      Enciniom, this is your problem! First off, I do not believe you even believe in God. If you do then you are wasting your time because you do not have a clue!

      But God does not create gays! Gays are not born. There is no gay gene. Homosexuality is a sexual perversion manifested from the turning away from God. Your very words throughout this article show this is true, you accept homosexuality because you do not accept God’s Word.

      God freely gives you the choice to turn away from Him. This is your test, you made your choice. If God is good with that then so am I.

      __________________________________________________

      BRAVO – couldn’t be better said…

      TrollTrainer – MY HERO…..

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    • LIBERTARIAN T38
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 11:38pm

      Ok, please stop responding to encicomestain, he’s a college student being paid by the Democrats to agitate…as a former liberal, I find it nostalgic reading sophomoric posts from people like I was when I was young and dumb…and liberal…

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  • spadikam12
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:47pm

    No one born in this world as gay. Then the feeling, if anybody touch other person’s skin, both will have a feeling even mom, dad, daughter, son anybody. But we know who they are but animals don’t know.
    Start some hospital and treat these gays its ok we can fund.

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    • SimpleTruths
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:55pm

      Please unscramble, I bet there is a coherent thought in there somewhere.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:56pm

      A hospital could do nothing for this, it is a sexual perversion. There is only one answer…

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  • msavagenoble
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:46pm

    I think it’s a great idea!

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  • let us prey
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:38pm

    Scholarships and special classes?

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    • NWalters78
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:50pm

      Why not, the oppressed minority is now becoming the oppressive majority (at least if you watch Glee you’d think LGBT is normal). The Republik of Kalifornya is mandating required gay and lesbian history classes in all secondary schools. Good work, libs, you get what you voted for. Crash and burn you commie twits.

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  • hi
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:30pm

    How about basing acceptances on academic merit instead of race, gender, or sexual orientation? Even blacks are tired of minorities with poor academic performance getting into college over white males with a 4.0 unweighted. Or else people just think they had ‘quota” too.

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  • ALEXJOEY4263584
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:30pm

    agree

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  • hi
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:29pm

    How about basing admissions on academic merit instead of race or sexual orientation? I’m tired of the blacks getting in with poor grades over the white males with a 4.0. I’m sure the 4.0 blacks are tired of it too because everything

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    • hi
      Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:49pm

      sorry for repeat computer crashed and i didn’t realize this was sent

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  • sensibleadult
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:21pm

    If the answer is yes, the next question should be, “Do you remember where the exit is?”

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  • SacredHonor1776
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 1:20pm

    So now their are extra perks to being gay (scholarship)? All you have to do is claim to be a member if the LGBT community? I wonder if slot of students will just check the box anyways!

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  • trolltrainer
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 6:16pm

    Peppa,

    You are both right and wrong. American Christians, as a blanket statement, are indeed getting too legalistic. Churches are becoming country clubs. Churches should welcome in the unsaved, no matter their sins. The whole point is to give these people the gospel message and show them why their sins are wrong. However…The church must stand for what is Holy. Sin is sin. We are all sinners. But the church cannot condone sin, it must preach against it. We are our brother‘s keeper and we must help fellow believers find the right path according to God’s Word. We must also be careful to not hold the world to our standards.

    A school is a bit of a different matter though. Schools must have codes of conduct. Otherwise they will become corrupt. If you are gay then you do not belong in a Bible-believing Christian school. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin and Christians cannot condone this behavior in their ranks.

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  • ashestoashes
    Posted on August 25, 2011 at 10:40pm

    Peppa.. say you are a parent raising a Christian family. You know that homosexuality is an abomination to God and you have taught your kids thus. Now.. you decide to send your kids to a good Christian college to have them properly schooled in a Christian morally sound environment. But homosexuals decide that they have the right to attend this school. Would you want your children exposed in an intimate manner with what God abhors? Your children might be sharing dorm rooms with homosexuals. Do you know what goes on with homosexuals? God tells us no fornication, no adultery, and no homosexuality. Homsexualty is a perversion.. a demonic spirit. Would you want your children exposed to that? That is why we have Christian schools. Let homosexuals go to secular schools, or better yet..why don’t homosexuals start their own schools just for homosexuals? Something to think about. Leave Christians alone

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