Church Sign Goes Viral: ‘God Prefers Kind Atheists Over Hateful Christians’ (POLL)
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Billy Hallowell
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Christians and atheists are typically at odds, at least when it comes to theology. So when a church posted a sign that praised “kind atheists” over “hateful Christians,” it’s no surprise the message gained a great deal of attention. While some were offended, many more were supportive of the sentiment the church was attempting to spread.
The United Methodist Church is reporting that Rev. Tom Tate of Rose City Park United Methodist Church in Portland, Oregon, chose to make the bold statement about the state of Christian character and the need for believers to be nice and loving to those around them. The church sign, which reads, “God Prefers Kind Atheists Over Hateful Christians,” has been spreading wildly via social media, prompting hundreds of calls to the church from across the nation and the globe.
Image Credit: UM Portal
While the message may be a tough pill to swallow for some Christians who believe that non-belief is a tragic societal occurrence — even more tragic than Christians behaving badly — Kay Pettygrove, an administrator at the church, says that positivity has been the predominate sentiment. Pettygrove claims that there has been 30 positive comments for each negative one and says that the church is “flabbergasted” over the response.
“I got an email from a young Mormon man saying, ‘Thank you so much. It made me rethink how I treat people,’” she explains. “Many atheists have said, ‘If there were more churches like yours, we would probably reconsider.’”
Rev. Tate, whose church has 385 members, claims that the sign shows “radical hospitality” to those who feel alienated from faith systems.
“It has touched a reservoir for people in a way that is very surprising for me,” Tate proclaimed.
What do you think about the sign’s message. Do you agree? Take our poll, below:
(H/T: UM Portal)
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Comments (337)
vaman
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:23pmCertainly not all, but a good amount of the “christians” who post on the blaze should pay close attention to this. The purely evil, vitriolic, spewing of hate that goes on here at times is far from what christianity is suppose to stand for. You know who you are!
Report Post »ChildofJesus
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:25pmglad to know i’m not alone in thinking so sometimes.
Report Post »Jack of Hearts
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:34pmExactly – “hateful Christian” is an oxymoron. I‘ve been telling Kickagrandma that for months but she still doesn’t get it.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:34pmYou nailed it.
Report Post »granolajohn
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:36pmI could not agree more. So much hate on this website, hidden behind the guise of “kind” christians.
Report Post »troymac20
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:41pmDefinitely not alone in thinking so.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:43pmAgreed.
Report Post »Michael61
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:50pmWell, I am an atheist, but I obey all your commandments: I don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t lust… Of course I am a sinner like everybody else, but if there was heaven, I would go there… Actually, I should be declared a saint…
Report Post »drago
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:51pm@vaman aka encinom,and your other 5 alteregos posting on this one thread.
Report Post »You are an idiot,do you honestly think no one sees through your crap,looks like you just made 6 bucks off this one thread alone,idiot.Btw you want to see “hate” just wait and i will show you when you and all your commie buddies start their crap, i will show you hate like you cannot imagine…….
Stoptheblather
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:52pmI’ve been thinking the same thing. No wonder we Christians get a bad rap!
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:52pm@VAMAN
I’m with you on that!!
Report Post »Locked
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:58pm@Michael
“Well, I am an atheist, but I obey all your commandments: I don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t lust…”
… you have no other gods before God, don’t worship idols, don‘t take the Lord’s name in vain, and keep holy the Sabbath. You’re quite a pious atheist if you obey the first four commandments! :-)
Report Post »Jack of Hearts
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:58pm@ Drago
Report Post »If God prefers Trolls you have an eternity to look forward to. On the other hand….
kaydeebeau
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:03pm“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
Report Post »John 13:34-35
Stopit
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:13pm“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36
How you can get “prefers” out of “wrath” is quite amusing. And the Lord Jesus “Christ” is the one who said that. It is the “Christian” position.
The “church” sign justifies whom God condemns.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:20pm@Drago & Michael61
Report Post »The 10 commandments are actually Jewish laws, adopted by the Christians for the manufacturing of the Prophecy of the Christ coming. Just saying.
Michael61
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:34pm@Locked.
Well, I have no gods at all, I don’t worship nothing, I don‘t use the Lord’s name at all, and I don’t work on the weekends…
Looks like that all commandments covered? I go even farther than Christianity commands, I respect all living beings even animals and plants. And even non-living beings like rocks and planets and stars…
Report Post »DogTags
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:38pmFirst of all, God is not a respecter of persons. Romans 2:11. He doesn’t prefer saints over sinners or “kind sinners” over “hateful saints.” However, only those who believe in Jesus has he given the right to be called children of God. John 1:12-13. We are not justified before God by how we behave; we are justified by our faith in the saving grace of Jesus, who sacrificed himself on the cross.
Christians who have given their lives to Jesus are not automatically transformed into a “kind” person. A “hateful” Christian, whatever that means, is likely a person who is fully justified by his faith in Christ’s redemptive sacrifice on the cross, but who may not be far enough along in the sanctification process (the process of becoming more like Jesus.)
I submit that there are a lot fewer “kind atheists” than there are kind Christians and that there are a lot more hateful atheists than “hateful Christians.” In the end, the “kind atheist” chooses to reject the sovereignty of God and dies in his sin and perishes eternally.
This church sign is born out of ignorant theology.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:40pmWell…
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear…. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it ends in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise, and the love of others which it will procure you. If you find reason to believe there is a God, a consciousness that you are acting under his eye, & that he approves you, will be a vast additional incitement; if that there be a future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite to deserve it; if that Jesus was also a God, you will be comforted by a belief of his aid and love. In fine, I repeat, you must lay aside all prejudice on both sides…-Thomas Jefferson.
Report Post »INTHEBROTHERHOOD
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:44pmGod is no respector of persons…He loves everyone the same….We all fall short of the glory…the statement is profoundly wrong
Report Post »BenKatz
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:00pm@Drago Bravo. Please keep up the brilliant self marginalization. Not intimidating in the least btw.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:21pmwell said dogtags
Report Post »INTHEBROTHERHOOD
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:27pmFear and the devil create everything evil under the sun. honor thy mother and thy father, trust in the Lord, respect the brotherhood. Finally, dont let the sun go down on your hatred. paul said for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, so let your hatred be for the devil….not one another.
Report Post »BastiatsLaw
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:33pmWhat are you using to determine that the people spewing are in fact “Christians” as you claim? Or is that just your impression based on the stance they happen to take?
I think there is reason to believe that anyone being “hateful,” and I mean that in the truest sense of the word, is not a Christian who has been washed in the blood of the Lamb and realizes that they are saved by grace through faith alone. But, if the definition of hate is lowered to include differences of opinion that make someone else feel uncomfortable, well, that’s just life. I may disagree with someone, and my disagreement may make them uncomfortable, but that doesn’t mean I “hate” them. If they think that then maybe they need to do some self-examination.
Report Post »Restore the Republic
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:34pmI can tell you that these “Christians” on this site are easily the most vitriolic hateful people i’ve ever had the misfortune of communicating with.
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:39pm“However, only those who believe in Jesus has he given the right to be called children of God.”
“This church sign is born out of ignorant theology.”
The irony is killing me!
Report Post »rghtwngcrzy
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:48pmDogtags said: This church sign is born out of ignorant theology.
Agreed.
Report Post »girlnurse
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:27pmSo funny. Okay, yes we are supposed to love and get along with people as much as it is in our power, but do you think we are to keep loving killers, abortionists, and child molesters so that they can continue in their sin and hurt people??? We are to “Love God with all our heart, mind, soul, and love our neighbors as ourselves”…..Okay….So if my neighbor is sneaking to my back door with a big kitchen knife to cut off my head….you think I want my neighbor on the other side to close his window and “not hate”? No….I want him to try and stop the murder and/or blow the guy away if thats what it takes to stop him from killing me.
Report Post »Now, if I was an iddy bitty babe…would I want to be born, or ripped out of my mothers womb?? Wouldn’t I want someone to try and talk my mom out of killing me? The word “hate” gets thrown around way too much these days.
cous1933
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:39pmAbsolutely agree Vaman. Actually two or three Blaze posters in particular are the poster children for vitriolic hate (while claiming to be Christians).
Report Post »In case anyone is wondering, I’m talking about “time_to_end_ the_ron_paul_campaign”, “rational man”big spike”. To be fair they don’t hate everyone, just people who disagree with them.
RaptorEP
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:52pm@Micheal61 While that is good, Christians are not saved or go to heaven because they follow the commandments, we are saved by the love and grace shown by Jesus and by accepting his GIFT of salvation that changes your perspectives and heart and from that change the works follows. No one is righteous on works alone, and we are all selfish and self serving at our core. Christian gauge other Christians by the love they express to others, if “Christians” are hateful they are not true Christians and Atheists should also recognize that fact as well and not to judge all by the bad apples.
Report Post »survivorseed
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:09pmThere are a lot of CINO’s on the Blaze thats for sure
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:22pm@MICHAEL61 Congratulations on your obedience.. but the only way to heaven is believing that Yashua (Jesus) is Yah’s only begotten Son who left His place beside His Father to be born to a virgin..and being the pure and sinless sacrificial Lamb of YAH..put Himself in our place and died for our sins..and was resurrected the third day..giving us the chance for life eternal.. There is no going over or around the fence..for works will not get one to heaven but a person who has accepted Yashua as Lord and Savior and who loves Him by keeping His commands..will enter the kingdom of YAH..All gifts will fall away..but the greatest gift of all is love.. James 2:18 show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” If you have trouble having faith..try praying to our heavenly Father for it..Ask and it shall be given..seek and you will find..knock and the door will be opened to you..
Report Post »FreedomPurveyor
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:22pmKeep in mind that several of the names you see commenting on the Blaze as Christians or conservatives are actually liberals perpetuating the stereotype that conservatives are racist, intolerant bigots.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:28pmYou can do GOOD… and still Hate. Hate is not a Sin (not Biblical)! I can Hate an Enemy that is attempting to Destory my Country and the People… but I can do Good by Confronting that Enemy with a Weapon (Luke 22:36)!
Report Post »Icnivad
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 8:59pmTo be hones, a lot of Christians don‘t prefer actually sticking to the 10 Commandments as if they’re Commandments. Some of them, in the back of the minds, see it as a restraint. Wish they could change it. Many Christian people I know speak God’s name in vain, disregard the Sabbath, etc.
Report Post »Zwiseguy
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:05pmIndeed good sir.
Report Post »stifroc
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:49pmI would say God prefers kind atheists over hateful ATHEISTS.
Now about the hateful Christians here?
Report Post »I haven’t really seen that here. What I have seen are Christians who have the attitude of “I’m tired of being silent, I’m tired of being pushed around, I’m tired of being told to shut up”.
Now to many leftists this comes across as being hateful… or the current over used buzz word “vitriolic”. However a leftist can call names, impugn character, malign and flat out lie about people, situations or history with a clear conscience and nobody calling for accountability. We all know this. Even you know this. Which is why so many of us no longer care what you have to say, or what you think about us.
Smoovious
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:11pmPerhaps that is where real faith lies?
Where your faith in a God, is so genuine in the belief, that your God is above such petty things as whether or not someone claims of belief in him, choosing to care about the content of one’s character instead?
Or perhaps someone’s faith relies on biblical inerrancy, strict adherence to a religion created by narcissistic men with god complexes, which forgives everything so long as the ‘believer’ continues to believe in the “god” they promote?
So I suppose it boils down to what kind of faith someone has…
Do you believe in a God of compassion, kindness, one who cares about what is in one’s soul, above the petty bickering of the earth’s religions which only amount to “I’m right!”, “No, I’M RIGHT!”, “Yer both wrong! I’m right!”
Do you believe in a God of hubris, surrounding himself by yes-men, feeding his megalomania, watching in glee as the people of the earth’s religions fight over him for the right to bask in his magnificence, not caring at all what is in their hearts?
I know many people of both of these types.
I’m an atheist.
Guess why?
– Smoov
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:26pm@ icnivad I used to think that it was important to keep the Saturday Sabbath.. but a pastor explained to me that after Yeshua was Lord of the Sabbath..that after his crucifixition and resurrection
Report Post »we entered into His rest..the passover lamb was him.. the rest on the Sabbath..was the rest in Him.. When He came upon the man who was selling birds on the Sabbath..He told the man..if you know what you do..then you are blessed..if you know not what you do..you are cursed. He also broke Sabbatical laws..because they were the laws of man..THe Sabbath was made for man..not the man for the Sabbath.
Servant Of YHVH
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:52pm@Vaman,child of Jesus, Jack of Hearts and the others. I agree 100% with y’all. However, may I state that some of these people that claim to be Christian is just that, they claim to be one. I would also have to mention that for some people claiming to be Christian because they go to church and all that. That is the same as someone going into a garage and thereby claiming to be a car. The sad thing is that it makes it look bad on God more than anything even though God can take that and much more without any problem whatsoever. Like they say, a tree is known by it’s fruit. God does not give out rotten fruit. I pray always for these people who say they are Christian yet they live by the morals that they decide is right or wrong and don’t bother to ask God what is right or wrong. Unfortunately, they will find out that their own morals will NEVER supersede God’s Morals.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 12:52amAND… GOD hated Soddom and Gomorrah…
Report Post »db321
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 12:58amWhat “go along to get along” Bible are some of you reading from – I got news for a lot of you, when Jesus returns he is not going to go around kissing everyone’s feet – His first stop may be that Church where he will destroy that sign like he did the Tables of Tabernacle.
The Bible tells us “ALL” Men have sinned and come short of the Glory of God – Not some. but ALL. My faith is not in Man – my faith is in the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob.
The Bible tells us that sin will NOT come between God and Man – If you have unconfessed Sin in your life and have not excepted Jesus Christ and your Lord and Savor – your not going to Heaven.
If your a Christian and you steal from your employees and give some of that money to the Church – you’ve sinned twice.
Being a Christian means that you will be judge for your word and deed. It’s called accountability – and you will be held accountable.
Don’t get mad at me – I’m in Sales and God is in Management!
There are at least 12 Scriptures in the Bible that discuss being born again – look them up or ask Man of God that knows the Bible to teach you.
Ladies – when the Bible mentions Men – it is known that that means Men and Women.
Report Post »Drives Like Jehu
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 2:07amGod does not “prefer” any human. This sign is blasphemous. The only way any one becomes acceptable to God is by admitting their total depravity and worthlessness in and of themselves and accepting Jesus Christ’s gift of reconciliation that was ordained by God from before the foundation of the world.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 4:18amThe Sign… is… THE SIGN… of Soddom & Gomorrah!
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 7:43amNo I think God has the same faith waiting for each of them. The real question is what is hateful. Is not accepting a sin hateful . Christ didn’t accept a sin he died for us to have the ability to be forgiven not to accept or tolerate our sins.
Report Post »TexasHunter
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 11:13amTHE BLAZE has this wrong !! Here is the link anyone can do this!!
Report Post »http://www.the-atheist.com/like-funny-church-signs-create-your-own/
minorityconservative2
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 11:42amI am reminded of a verse that says He would rather we were hot or cold, for if we are lukewarm He will spew us out of His mouth. Sounds like He would like us to be on fire for Him which means following what He says or not be one of His at all. It would be hard to find evidence in one’s life that they are a CHRISTian if they are hateful. You shall know them by their fruit after all.
Report Post »Texas Chris
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 1:33pmI totally agree.
All you have to do here is mention Ron Paul, question foreign aid to Israel, or admit you’re not a Palin fan and the hate just vomits out of some folks.
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 1:56pm@ Stifroc
That was an excellent post. Identifying oneself as a Bible-believing, Bible-teaching Christian is considered “hate” to those on the left who really have no idea what Christianity or or what the Bible teaches.
Report Post »Machtyn
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 3:33pmYou should see the FoxNews forums. Wow! Is that a cesspool of hate.
Report Post »bw3131
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 1:15amThat passive thing worked out Great for 6 million Jews heh!
Worked great for those in the russian gulags.
Evil must be confronted, the destuction of mans soul and spirit has never been greater than under socialist nazi, or comunist stalin rule, funny how the evil one want us to turn the other cheek only when they are plotting behind our back!
Report Post »And by the way calling a socialist evil or a race baiting tv station like nbc decietfull is not hate full, it is TRUTHFULL, telling the false prophet that put up this sign to su(k satins steamy balls of fury! PRICeLESS!
Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:23pmI saw a church marquis here in my town that read, “There are no Atheists in Hell.” Finally, someone who realizes there is no Hell for Atheists to go to in the first place.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:42pmDepends on what one defines as hell… some people see ‘hell’ as a fiery underworld where bodies burn…
Now given enough time, bodies of people that die from a secular geological perspective will become dust (some may become fossils) but ultimately in time, they will then continue to erode and desposit themselves across the planet as dustl… Now in time that dust will make its way to subduction zones, where it will be pulled into the earth, and undergo metamorphosis (metamorphic rock), some may put into contact with nearby hot spots or underground magma, and melt. This become ignaceous. Others may end up adding to the future oil reserves… Now if the oil reserves ignite (sometimes happens naturally) you also have fiery pits… It is these fiery places that could be seen as a veritable hell if anyone could see it from the inside. Of course some do get to experience magma after it erupts from the earth as lava. Some like those in Pompei may live long enough to see themselves killed by the fiery death from the earth…
Tongue planted firmly in cheak. But where do ideas of Hell come from, if one believes all ideas come from superstition?
So yes, in a way, people may end up in ‘hell’…
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:05pmLikewise, the metaphors of being sent to the ‘Abyss’, associate with the sea or other deep watery places… The watery metaphors are actually pretty blatant.
Perhaps not surprisingly, not all Christian denominations believe in Greek/Romanesque ideas of hell, but have varying interpretations, including non-literal interpretations…
It is believed that some Catholic artists and writers were inspired by pre-columbian religions that included human sacrifice in their interpretations of hell. Likewise, experience in WW1 inspired interpretations of hell in the 20th century artwork and writing. Gives more meaning to Sherman’s phrase, ‘war is hell’…
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:37pmI liked the Catholic interpretation of the afterlife. If you’re mostly good, but partially bad, you go to a place they invented called Purgatory where all the stains on your soul are washed away for a period of time. The more stains, the longer you have to wait in Purgatory. To shorten your stay in Purgatory, give buttloads of worldly wealth to the church for the dispensation of an “indulgence”.
What a racket.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:45pmDidn’t they recentlty drop Limbo from existence? Which was like purgatory for babies…
“Oh, by the way all those babies we said were in Limbo? Uh we we were wrong.”
Report Post »edmundburk
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:51pmThat’s what I like about you HOLLOWPOINTS, at least you are consistant!
Report Post »RobMac68
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 11:10pmI am a born again Christian and I firmly believe there aren’t any atheists in hell. Only reason, once an atheist is in hell, they will KNOW that hell is real and so is God.
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 10:43am@DRAGO,
@vaman aka encinom,and your other 5 alteregos posting on this one thread.
You are an idiot,do you honestly think no one sees through your crap,looks like you just made 6 bucks off this one thread alone,idiot.Btw you want to see “hate” just wait and i will show you when you and all your commie buddies start their crap, i will show you hate like you cannot imagine…
Sounds like a threat to me. What a Jackass, sounds like a cop I once new who had a badass complex that got his ass beat by a guy half his age. Oh! by the way I prayed to my computer chair yesturday as the tornados were hitting Texas asking it to please keep the people safe and for no deaths as we have had enough destructive wheather lately. Sure enough woke up this morning turned on the news and to my surprise no deaths had been reported. Thank you almighty computer chair thankyou for sparing life in this horrible storm. I am sure there will be sceptics out there that do’nt beleive in my computer chairs devine powers and will give credit to there own personal Jesus, Hey! thats a song huh? but i know people are alive today because of my prayers to my computer chair. One more thing, if your god created all things on earth including weather why would people pray to a god to spare life in something that he created in the first place? Wake up delusional sheeple!
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 11:47amIt’s obvious Encinom and Moncine are the same creep, didn’t know he may have other sock puppets… I’ve been the target of one or both several times… About as annoying as that extremist Rose-Ellen who suicide-bombs the threads all the time.
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 2:04pm@ No common sensse
Please spell check next time.
Report Post »Go buy this book and learn something for once.
The God Questions.
http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Questions-Exploring-Lifes/dp/0978715306
hi
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:22pm“Hateful Christian” is an oxymoron. There is no such thing. If someone is full of hate, he/she is not a Christian.
Report Post »godlovinmom
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:36pmThats exactly my first thought.
Report Post »bpodlesnik
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:40pmI think that is what it is implying. Not necessarily “real” Christians, but those who call themselves Christians but don’t actually live the life.
Report Post »Emrys
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:42pmExactly. A hateful so-called ‘Christian’ is going to the same place as an atheist who denies God. You know where a person stands spiritually by the fruit they bear, as Christ said. An apple tree cannot bear oranges, nor an orange tree apples. A person full of hate cannot also be full of God (God is love, 1 John 4). They can be angry, and can even hate some things, such as sin and evil (Ecclesiastes 3: there is a time to love, and a time to hate). But they cannot be filled with hate and be a Christian. Galations 5: The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. Can a Christian sin? Of course. They’re forgiven, not perfect. Caveat: this is from a Biblical point of view, and I’m aware that not everyone believes in the Bible. This is just giving the perspective from a Biblical point of view, not trying to impose my views on anyone else. In a free country, everyone can believe whatever he or she wants, and that’s a good thing.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:43pmThere are people who call themselves Christians, but are not.
Report Post »nuckollsr
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:49pmIt is unfortunate that so many of our fellow citizens become embroiled in pointless arguments about the goodness/evil of the various factions. Just as Desotic Progressives benefit by driving citizens apart with fractionalizing ideologies, so does the spirit and intent of Satan benefit from the fractionalization of those who seek guidance for living from their ostensibly studious leadership.
The founding fathers were about as studious a group of men as you could find in the late 18th century. They read the professors of human foibles and common sense dating back centuries. They correctly concluded that only one form of government would both unleash and encourage the individual and communal self-interests that built this nation. They offered a unique religion of state with the ideology: Don’t mess with the person or property of any other honorable citizen. I.e. Live love and protect liberty.
This same idea is to be found in the teaching of many religions that encourage honorable behaviors, not the least of which is Christianity. But at the same time, we see our brothers in honorable behaviors becoming competitors for who can build the biggest church, capture the largest membership, sell the largest mansions in heaven . . . all of which are activities that dilute an honorable citizen’s REAL purpose for living. Do well, share your surplus, protect the liberty of yourself and others. All the rest is window dressing.
Report Post »phrogdriver
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:53pmDitto.
That was my first thought as well.
Personally, I don’t “hate” anyone. If this pastor has a Church full of haters, he isn’t doing his job very well.
Report Post »LestWeForget
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:57pmExactly. This preacher/church got it very wrong. Kind of shocking, definitely disappointing. Not to mention, God loves all his Children and calls us each to Him. He knows we are sinners, but to outright shun Him and deny Him? Would that really be “preferred”? But, that is besides the point – which is the blatant oxymoron!
Lovingly, LestWeForget
Report Post »Stoptheblather
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:59pmNot necessarily. All Christians are human and and as such sinful. We should all strive to be good and do good; to be more God-like. Some of us are farther along in our Christian journey than others.
Some people profess Christianity without even getting to know Christ. Perhaps, the offenders here will recognize the err of their way and strive to do better.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:10pmRead Jefferson‘s writings and you see even he talked about the ’so-called Christians’, that were anything but (in his time), and how they were corrupting the ‘religions’. It inspired his whole “question with boldness” comment in his letter to Greeley (sp?).
In the letter he also made it important to question everything, if it lead people to God or no god, either way the person had to strive to be a better person, charity, love, etc.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:15pmQuestion with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear…. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it ends in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise, and the love of others which it will procure you. If you find reason to believe there is a God, a consciousness that you are acting under his eye, & that he approves you, will be a vast additional incitement; if that there be a future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite to deserve it; if that Jesus was also a God, you will be comforted by a belief of his aid and love. In fine, I repeat, you must lay aside all prejudice on both sides…-Thomas Jefferson.
Report Post »wakeus_com
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:21pmYes! That is correct. Calling yourself a Christian and being a Christian are vastly different things. Just like calling yourself a loyal, patriotic citizen of the United States of America and being the POTUS are vastly different things. ;)
Report Post »Stopit
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:40pmI “hate” to tell you all this but if, out of love for men’s souls, you do not withhold or corrupt the truth of the gospel, you will be labeled a hateful Christian. It’s quite the irony that because of love you will be hated, but that was exactly our Saviour’s lot as well. Look where his love got him from the religious world. When you proclaim the gospel to the lost you will be labeled hateful. You know its the truth.
In addition, most of you responding here, if you were on the receiving end of what Christ spoke, particularly to the lost religious leaders, you would be quite sure he was “hateful”.
Report Post »Smoovious
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:23pm> Not necessarily. All Christians are human and and as such sinful.
> We should all strive to be good and do good; to be more God-like.
> Some of us are farther along in our Christian journey than others.
The problem with that is, is different people have different perspectives.
We always overlook, ignore and even excuse the character traits of someone who we like, and choose to have/keep as a friend.
What a genuine Christian sees as “God-like”, and what an atheist sees as “God-like” are very very different types of people.
Then you have the different religions having different views on who God is, old/new testament, etc.
How can a people be more “God-like”, when a people can’t even decide what God is like to begin with?
You have an empty argument.
– Smoov
Report Post »BrutalTruth
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:36pmStopit, don’t stop it. That was right on. If you don’t “hate” sin, your not a true follower of Christ. Everyone read Matthew 10 and then come back and talk about all the love.
The problem is the level of love that is required is the deep kind that allows you to share the gospel even though you might be crucified for it. So…..Peter….do you love me?
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 10:50am@SWIFT,
Report Post »Oh sorry, I get typing so fast and do’nt really think about correct spelling. I will have my editor look it over next time. Thanks
commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:03am@SWIFT,
Report Post »So, you are telling me that there is new information!!! other than what is in the bible, but, my church had a saying that if “it was new it’s not true” Why would I spend money on something that I know dos’nt exist. BTW The “new”” Testiment HMMMMMMMMMMM! hope my spelling was adequate.
commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on April 5, 2012 at 11:38am@SWIFT,
Report Post »I was just thinking that I would make you a deal that I will buy your book but “only” if you can provide the overwelming proof as to why you believe that christianity is the one and only true religion and all the other 20 major world religions are bogus. Afterall , if there was a god woul’nt he wast his creation to worship one religion based on his true works? So, with that being said. somewhere at some point in history 20 or 21 religions were man made and not the true word of your god.
GoodStuff
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:21pmThis is stupid. Especially the Blaze poll playing right along with the stupidity.
There’s no such thing as a hateful Christian. Only a hateful false convert. Wheat and tares.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:31pmRight on.
Report Post »SacredHonor1776
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:44pmThere are plenty of people who call themselves “Christian”, but do not behave like true Christians.
Report Post »Balpit
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:36pmIt’s one thing for a person to believe in Christ and accept him as their savior.
It’s another to follow his ways: in addition to the ten commandments, “love thy neighbor”, “judge not lest ye be judged”, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. Some don’t obey these lessons, even going against what he taught, hence the “hateful Christians”.
You can‘t truly call yourself a Christian if you don’t follow his ways, it’s akin to calling yourself a vegetarian while eating cheeseburgers.
FYI, I too prefer a kind atheist to a hateful Christian. I’ll take one of my atheist friends over a Westboro Baptist any day of the week. And twice on Sunday!
Report Post »Simonne
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:18pmI rather have a kind atheist because if a Christian hate, you don’t want to be around them & second how can you consider yourself a Christian if you hate. Your just kidding yourself & God will be harder on you than a atheist.
Report Post »WakingSheep
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:17pmHow many times have I read you blazers talking about turning the middle east into a glass parking lot?…… hmmmmmm…….
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:22pmBetter them than us.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:37pmPoint proven. Love thy enemy ring a bell? I’m sure Jesus loves this agnostic more than you, Goodstuff.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:49pmI disagree, Justangry my friend. I believe He loves all of us just the same.
Report Post »drago
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:57pm@walkingsheep aka encinom.
Report Post »Yes that place needs to be turned into glass, and you need to be there to personally see it happen.And no i dont “say” im Christian,Jew or any other religious sect, and i care not if i burn in hell for my hatred, but i will do my best to destroy evil like you and others in the here and now,so you and those like you can give your soul to the devil, when you decide to start your little pissant civil war,your asses will be mine!
Blacktooth
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:17pmThere are true, honest Christians and then there are fake, lying people that claim they are Christians. Jesus knows who they are.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:13pm“There are true, honest Christians and then there are fake, lying people that claim they are Christians”
OBAMA?
Report Post »commonsensefreethinker1
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 11:55am@BLACKTOOTH,
Report Post »Exactly! beleive it or not there are people in your church that are closet athiests. They want to live a christian life and be accepted so they wear the veil of christianity. Why do you think the % of so called christians is so much higher that that of athiests. Why do you think athiests are looked at as the few and the lost. The only reason is that if you come out of the athiest closet like myself you have a lot to lose in this society. The best part is that you feel more alive than ever before released from the heavy weight of the false christian walk, and the fingernails on the chalkboard as the pastor preaches his version of how you need to live your life. “Free will is mine” and no one elses
HKS
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:16pmI think the rev. Tom better check with the boss before making such statements. I personally don’t think that is the case. Besides that, Oregon? Liberal heaven. Sounds like a political statement to me.
Report Post »Aerocog
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:16pmI don‘t think prefers Atheist but he does have a higher expectation on the people who are his followers then people who don’t follow and don’t understand His truth.
Report Post »AnonCath
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:14pmThis is what happens when we lose sight of mortal sin v. venial sin. And which one do you think would likely repent of sin to receive Christ’s vast mercy?
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:10pmNext sign will read “God prefers kind serial killers and child molesters over Hateful Christians.” That denomination has pretty much become apostate in their beliefs. They have no sins left to be forgiven. Adultery, homosexuality, abortion its all good with them.
Report Post »jungle J
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:07pmWhat a stupid question.
Report Post »Dale
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:11pmYes it is! There are no (true) hateful Christians. Christians are kind, period. Atheists, on the other hand are free to be unkind, without losing their ‘title’.
Report Post »RamonPreston
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:07pmAtheists don‘t believe in God and Christians don’t believe God. Hmmm..
Report Post »onedenarius
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:07pmI am almost never torn on any subject, but this one has got me. If they are Christians then they are not supposed to be hateful. We all go threw times when we are not acting as we should, but does the sign refer to a person who professes Christ, but is not a real Christian? Only a mouth pleaser? or does it refer to a person who has professed Christ, but is stuck in a place of bitterness and hatefullness? I know several athiests, and I don’t find them to be the kindest people on the planet either. Moth that I kow are know it all asses, who are just trying to recruit to their relegion. (athiesm is a relegion)… I HATE athiesm, and the lies it spreads, but I do not hate the athiests. I guess that I do hate those who purposely spread lies, to try to keep others form getting into heaven, not the run of the mill athiest, but the professor, or media type athiest, and I will work on that, but I have been to athiest rallys, and to pickets, and heard the (so called) loving athiests chanting about bringing back the lions. This is a chant about how they want to return to the days when Rome threw Christians to the lions. I am really doubtful about the whole premise behind the sign, and doubt the pastor as well…
Report Post »LestWeForget
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:00pmI think you expressed yourself well, and by the end it sounded like you maybe weren’t as torn as you first thought. Maybe depends on how you define “hateful” – I think it’s okay to hate sin, but love the sinner. All of us are God’s children, and not one of us is perfect and He knows it – He just calls us to love him, believe in him, worship him, and try try try to follow his Commandments.
Report Post »ELAN114
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:06pmHateful Christians drive people away from Christ, which is exactly what happened to me as a teenager, why would Christ prefer someone that drives people away from them. Hate the sin not the sinner was the course that was taken by the people that finally converted me, they did not tolerate my sins but they not only tolerated me but loved me not just as a neighbor but a brother . What was it He kept saying about hypocrites?
Report Post »undercover
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:01pmCatchy slogans are usually bad theology – God is NOT a respecter of persons, He loves everyone equally. The only difference is whether we choose Him and spend eternity in heaven or reject Him and suffer eternity in hell fire.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:09pm@UNDERCOVER
I agree….
I believe God loves everyone, too. I also believe that he wished some of us would behave better.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:59pmHateful Christian is an oxymoron … like pro-choice christian … no such thing … What would Jesus do ? Would Jesus encourage hate ? … How about abortion ? … Nah … that’s not Christian.
Report Post »onedenarius
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:10pmI agree ! ! !
Report Post »Marine25
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:50pmChristians can be and often are, hateful. Christians can be and often are, pro-choice. You can’t pick and choose your Christians, they are Christians because they claim to follow the teachings of Christ, same as you.
Report Post »swift_driver
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 2:14pmJust how ungracious and unloving was Jesus? Think of all kinds of rather nasty things he was happy to say. Calling people “white-washed tombs,” “blind fools,” “hypocrites” and the like does not seem to be the epitome of love and charm. Publicly rebuking Peter and saying “Get behind me, Satan!” is not exactly how you win friends and influence people.
Just how ungracious and unloving was Paul? Referring to his opponents as dogs and the like would make him very unpopular in many Christian circles today. And poor Peter, he too was publicly rebuked by Paul as well. ‘Oh, but we are not to air our dirty laundry in public’ we are told today. And just what was he thinking when he absolutely blasted the Galatians? Where is the love Paul? Where is the grace?
The truth is, the use of harsh, even provocative language is found throughout the Bible. Jesus and others used it constantly. The use of satire, irony, mockery, ridicule and sarcasm is used time and time again.
Report Post »When biblically illiterate liberals proclaim their Kumbaya nonsense about the Bible, they usually forget all the times when Jesus and many others rebuked and called out people who were the liars and hypocrites of that day.
junior1971
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:59pmIf you are hateful, you are no follower of Christ, but regardless of your sins, God might forgive your foolishness. If you refuse your whole life to acknowledge Gods existance, God isn’t going to be there to forgive you to begin with! After all, God isn’t there, right? From what I understand, one must acknowledge God to be forgiven and you cannot do it after you die!
Report Post »70S_KIDS_FIGHTING_SOCIALISM
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:57pmWho has ever met a kind atheist? They usually spend most of their time thinking of ways to persecute the Church.
Report Post »onedenarius
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:07pmI Agree !!!!
Report Post »Jack of Hearts
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:16pmI’ve met kind atheists and hateful Christians. Which does God prefer – we cannot know for sure, but I know who I’d rather have as a neighbour.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:57pmGod has a reason and a function for Atheists. Far be it from me to question why.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:15pmKindling.
Report Post »TSUNAMI-22
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:28pmLOL.
BTW, is your avatar a picture of Nugent?
Report Post »Rohawk
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 7:00pmThat sounds kind of Calvinistic. God doesn’t have a plan for the aetheist (at least not one that involves him staying that way). Its dangerous to assume that because someone believes a lie that God wants him to. If I felt that way I would be apathetic to the great commission as bringing him to faith would disrupt the greater good! lol
Report Post »DeavonReye
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 11:01amRohawk, . . . isn‘t there scriptural passages that show this god doing exactly what you think he doesn’t do. . . . . . “god wanting people to believe a lie”?
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:54pmTrue statement.
riseandshine
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 6:56pm…if not taken too literally. I can read between the lines
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:53pmRev. 3:15-17 (NLT)
“I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I wish you were one or the other! [16] But since you are like lukewarm water, I will spit you out of my mouth! [17] You say, ‘I am rich. I have everything I want. I don’t need a thing!‘ And you don’t realize that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked.
Lukewarm water makes a disgusting drink. The church in Laodicea had become lukewarm and thus distasteful and repugnant. The believers didn’t take a stand for anything; indifference had led to idleness. By neglecting to do anything for Christ, the church had become hardened and self-satisfied, and it was destroying itself. There is nothing more disgusting than a halfhearted, in-name-only Christian who is self-sufficient. Don’t settle for following God halfway. Let Christ fire up your faith and get you into the action.
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chameleonx
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:52pmI agree with the churches statement on this sign. Even though I’m not a Christian I can respect Christian the right to believe; last Sunday I also attended service at my friends church where I was kind and respectful to others. Respect does go along way in making people like you.
Report Post »nuckollsr
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:30pmI suggest another word for “respect” is “honorable behavior”. When one embraces liberty, the fundamental right of an honorable citizen to be left alone, then no honorable citizen has anything to fear from any other honorable citizen. Unfortunately, too many organizations who cast their images in the guise of the ‘one true religion’ seem to miss the point of our founding father’s teachings entirely. There was never a separation of religion and government as claimed by poor students of our founding. There was in fact a prohibition for the state to define a “one true religion” and compel honorable citizens to subscribe to it’s theology, dogma and business model.
I will suggest further that our Declaration of Independence -AND- constitution combine to described the REAL “one true religion.”
Example: Suppose some isolated soul from the furthest reaches of our planet were to suddenly find him/herself confronted with imminent death while surrounded by a host of enthusiastic religionists all attempting to sell the doomed individual on the merits of their particular form of worship. I suggest that the ignorant, unsaved soul is more deserving of a place in paradise than most self proclaimed pious if he/she can assert: “I strived to violate the liberty of no one; and corrected my errors as they were discovered.”
The God worthy of worship by honorable humans would welcome such piety with open arms irrespective of the name of their ‘church’ or even no church at al
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:50pmI agree.
The greatest commandment is to love God. The second is to love your neighbor as yourself.
Love is the answer.
A person’s actions are a great indicator of where their heart is.
It’s no wonder it was a Methodist church…they are very community oriented. Good job!
Report Post »stockpicker
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:55pmMethodist theology is based on false belief.
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:06pmI know many, may Methodists. They are very kind and – as I said – very community oriented; Habitat for Humanity, etc…
I’m not too knowledgeable concerning their doctrine, but I always question someone who slams another’s religion of being a cult or false or what have you.
I would rather live in a community of considerate atheists than among hypocritical Christians.
Report Post »burnbabylon
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 5:48pmDid you ever consider that they might be hypocritical Atheists posing as Christians?
Report Post »Jesus said to be wise as serpents, and simple as doves.
And “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
It’s not that hard.
kickagrandma
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:48pmUh, right. I remember reading that passage…. uh, no, come to think of it, I don’t.
JESUS prefers that we come to HIM, turn from our wicked ways, humble ourselves and turn our lives over to HIM. Period.
hateful CHRISTIANS is an oxymoron. If someone you know is a “hateful CHRISTIAN”, that person is a “hateful CHURCH-GOER”, not a CHRISTIAN. Real CHRISTIANS ARE NOT hate-filled.
GOD doesn‘t prefer people who don’t believe in HIM…. although HE does still long for a change of your heart…
Report Post »brother_ed
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 3:59pmIt’s my understanding that we will be judged on our heart.
The difficulty my non-Mormon friends have is the question of “what about a good person who didn’t know who Jesus was – are they going to hell?”
The fact of having to be baptized in order to be saved is not in dispute…so does that mean God doesn’t love these people?
Love is the answer. God has a plan, our part is to do our best to be our best. He will take care of the rest.
Jesus died for EVERYBODY who lives, will live or has ever lived.
Good for this church. Something to think about.
Report Post »honestynow
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:06pmRighto Grandma!
Report Post »undercover
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:15pmBrother_ed
Report Post »You are mistaken – God does not judge based on the heart. If that were true we would all be doomed Read Mattew 15:18-20 if you still believe the Bible is the Word of God. We are saved by Grace through Faith and that not of ourselvers least any man shgould boast.
LittleMissPatriot
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 4:35pm@Brother_Ed Mormons aren’t even Christians.
Report Post »Yes, Jesus died for everyone, but that does NOT mean that everyone is saved. If you reject His word and His gift of grace, then you aren’t saved. Mormons and JW are NOT saved, they are accused for following false gospels.
Icnivad
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 9:13pmLittleMiss… (Mormon, by the way)
I’m wondering, and this is a serious question. So if Christians believe in a stark, yes or no heaven/hell ideal, what happens to the babies that weren’t baptized, those who never did, never could have known about any Christian faith? Straight to hell? I’m not mocking, being sardonic, making a challenge, etc. – I just never have heard an answer straight from a Christian before. Anyone else who has an answer, please share. Just know that I’m not some ex-mormon trying to find a different religion or something. ;)
Report Post »BrutalTruth
Posted on April 3, 2012 at 10:24pmDavinci, Baptism has nothing to do with your salvation. It is an act of obedience (submission). One is held to their knowledge and understanding.
Report Post »RobMac68
Posted on April 4, 2012 at 12:02amICNIVAD…I am Baptist, and, as a Baptist, I have been taught that there is an age of accountability. No baby or young child that dies goes to hell. King David lost a baby and was assured his child was in Heaven. Baptist do not believe in infant baptism because you will not find this anywhere in the King James Bible concerning the New Testament Church. I say KJB only because I know there are other bibles and bible companions that might talk of such stuff but I believe these others just cause confusion and contradict. In Acts 8:36,37 Philip is talking to a eunuch who wants to know what hinders me to be baptized and Philip answers him directly and states he “must believe with all thine heart.” A baby can not make this decision on his own.
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