CNN Legal Expert on Today’s Hearing: Obama Admin a ‘Train Wreck,‘ Obamacare Likely Will be ’Struck Down’
- Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:04pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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As Tuesday‘s hearing in front of the Supreme Court on Obamacare’s individual mandate wraps up for the day, the buzz is that things are not looking good for the Obama administration.
“This was a train wreck for the Obama administration. This law looks like it’s going to be struck down,” Jeffrey Toobin said on CNN. “All of the predictions including mine that the justices would not have a problem with this law were wrong.”
He continued: “The only conservative justice who looked like he might uphold the law was Chief Justice Roberts who asked hard questions of both sides, all four liberal justices tried as hard as they could to make the arguments in favor of the law, but they were — they did not meet with their success with their colleagues.”
He wasn’t the only one. NBC’s Pete Williams echoed that sentiment when he said the law was “in trouble”:
“Sharp questioning by the Supreme Court‘s conservative justices has cast serious doubt on the survival of the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama’s historic health care overhaul,” the Associated Press concludes.
The L.A. Times has some of the questions from inside the courtroom:
Even before the administration’s top lawyer could get three minutes into his defense of the mandate, some justices accused the government of pushing for excessive authority to require Americans to buy anything.
“Are there any limits,” asked Justice Anthony Kennedy, one of three conservative justices whose votes are seen as crucial to the fate of the unprecedented insurance mandate.
Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. suggested that the government might require Americans to buy cellphones to be ready for emergencies. And Justice Antonin Scalia asked if the government might require Americans to buy broccoli or automobiles.
“If the government can do this, what else can it … do?” Scalia asked.
Much of the focus has been on Justice Anthony Kennedy, long considered the swing vote between the liberal and conservative factions on the bench. On Tuesday, he questioned whether the insurance requirement “is a step beyond what our cases allow.” Still, while showing initial skepticism of the law, he later seemed to back down from that. Here’s how the respected Supreme Court outlet SCOTUSblog puts it:
If Justice Anthony M. Kennedy can locate a limiting principle in the federal government’s defense of the new individual health insurance mandate, or can think of one on his own, the mandate may well survive. If he does, he may take Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., and a majority along with him. But if he does not, the mandate is gone. That is where Tuesday’s argument wound up — with Kennedy, after first displaying a very deep skepticism, leaving the impression that he might yet be the mandate’s savior.
He and Chief Justice John Roberts are emerging as the seemingly pivotal votes.
Justices Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito appeared likely to join with Justice Clarence Thomas to vote to strike down the key provision. The four Democratic appointees seemed ready to vote to uphold it.
The founder of SCOTUSblog recapped the day’s events with Megyn Kelly and said, “It was an extremely hard day for [the government]“:
You can listen to the entire day’s oral arguments below via the Oyez Project:
This is a breaking story. Updates will be added. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Rob
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:53pmRush was right, I want Obama to fail in everything he attempts.
Report Post »screw
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:02pmEspecially this one:
Election Day 2012
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:08pmeven his unconstitutional wars? me too
Report Post »jamestoms
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:13pmTo Hell with them!
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:17pmIf Obama, Nancy and Harry had spent as much time on jobs as they did this he would have an automatic renewal of the Presidency. Instead Nancy got her favorite plastice toy out of her purse and used it on everyone including this Democrat who voted for Obama. I know of 8 votes he won’t get this round. When you feel the effects it makes you think. We don’t like the change and there is no hope.
Report Post »aChameleon
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:26pmExcept when he has to NARFLE THE GARTHOK !
Report Post »Unix
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:30pmROLMAO – did you all see the dumbfounded and heartbroken looks on the faces of the lame stream media faces??? I have to say, that MADE MY DAY! Let them eat humble pie. This law is unconstitutional, and we all know this to be true, any other finding would be a grave danger to all Americans. STRIKE IT DOWN SCOTUS!
Congress cannot force me to do squat, if I do not want something, they cannot force me to take it, buy it or want it, PERIOD!!!
Mr Obama is going down in flames, I hope, still way too early to tell though! But my hopes are UP, and we have a chance to smack down the Marxist in the WH…God Bless America.
To all of you liberal communists:
Your control of my life ends at your front door!
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:36pmThey should charge obango with killing 2000 trees unnecessarily, just for good measure.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:53pmUNIX, Wolf Blitzer has been the funniest one that I have seen so far. He tore into the Solicitor General generally referring to him as an awful attorney. I’m looking forward to spot checking BSNBC tonight and frankly I wish I had the time tomorrow morning to check Morning Joe and Mika. I bet they will have their crying clown faces on.
Report Post »TH30PH1LUS
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:53pmThis is NOT ABOUT HEALTH! It is about consolidating power in the Government!
If Obama really cared about the cost of health care, he could allow more competition across state lines among health care providers. Competition is the American way, not government control.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:54pmSCREW, That is about the best name and avatar combinations that I have yet seen here. Congrats on your choice.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:55pmOne way or another they need almost all people’s money, and they will get it with Obama-care, or without, but get it they will. Instead they’ll just use hyper-inflation.
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:57pmLook…I’m like this.
IF you KNOWINGLY LIE TO ME ONE TIME…I’m going to check EVERYTHING
YOU SAY FROM THERE.
IF you KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWLING LIE TO ME THE 2ND TIME….
NOTHING YOU CAN SAY OR DO WILL MAKE ME BELIEVE, TRUST OR LIKE
YOU…OR DEAL WITH YOU FROM THERE FORWARD.
Obama, has lied about EVERYTHING! From start to CURRENT DATE.
When his lies HIT A WALL….he lies his way AROUND IT WITH ANOTHER LIE.
aka – sets another trap!
Now, WHEN are the people going to finally understand …
HE CAN’T BE TRUSTED ON ANYTHING?
He’s pretty much told everyone everything he wanted to do –
AND PEOPLE GRINNED, NODDED AND CHEERED HIM ALONG….
NEVER asking what, how, or why.
What HE DIDN’T TELL was how much EVERYONE would have to GIVE UP, SACRIFICE
Report Post »OR FOREGO THEIR LIVES, FOR IT.
And yet – THE IGNORANT are STILL wanting, trying to believe AND ACT on what he says.
Itsjusttim
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:00pmNo matter what, average Americans are going to lose, you just have no idea that the mega rich need your blood to maintain their life-style, and get it they will.
Report Post »cuinsong
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:02pmTheir seems to be our problem in this country!
Report Post »People make up stuff or language to try and re-write the Constitution with their interpretations!
The commerce act regulates action that is across state lines only, not action within the state.
If I wish to buy something made in another state and that product is transported through other states or is electronically passed thru servers outside my state, then it can be regulated by the ICA.
Not purchases that are only available in my state because no other stat sovereignty is involved.
The insurance I can purchase in Calif. is regulated by Calif. not the Fed’s.
So how can health insurance which can not be purchased across state lines fall under the interstate commerce act when no interstate commerce is involved?
This bill is about taking over commerce in any form!
This sounds like double talk to me and this song will help you understand.
“What’s Wrong With This Song” http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_9134749
Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:15pmIs he a hacker 2 @ golf ?
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:18pmThe problem with Mr Obama is that he probably has one or more tricks up his sleeve in the event Obama-care gets completely crushed (and I hope it does). He will not let go of this at all; given his true narcissistic self, I can see him seeking to unleash a firestorm across the nation for revenge.
Report Post »mtcountrygrl
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:40pmThe justices that did not ask hard questions of both sides and showed that they were in the bag should be investigated by Congress and impeached. Period!
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:41pmI do NOT give a flying fart what they come back with. I WILL NOT COMPLY…
Report Post »RonmeyPaulBotsrOdd
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 8:55pmRomney is the most electable…inevitable…most presidential looking. Thank you to the mainstream media and idiots that vote Romney. Even at the Supreme Court he is a legend via the Solicitor General:
Report Post »http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-solicitor-general-donald-verrilli-ties-health-care-211115198.html
PATTY HENRY
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:48amA REAL Leader, knowing that HEALTH CARE costs were outrageous, compared to 10-20 years ago would have said: “First we tackle FRAUD and ACCESS. (open up sales across state lines)”
IF they had a panel, it would be a panel that individuals would appeal to if dropped by their ins. cos.
ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL. INS. CO’s are within their rights to charge more for obese people, for smokers, drinkers, druggies.
Then the next thing would be showing kids that INSURANCE is a foundation block for building good financial future. (47M non-insured – 12M illegals = 35 Non-insured – 25 M kids who don’t see value in getting ins. “now” = 10M who really need but cannot afford ins. )
The money this GOV has spent trying to get this bogus bill rammed down our throats could have built a clinic in every town with a population over 2000 people in the USA (underwritten loans for local Doctors to build their own clinics).
That money could have established state of the art processes for record keeping, sharing.
THEN THE GOV . needs to get rid of the OPPRESSIVE regulations they have on everything. THERE WAS (and still is) a way to FIX MEDICARE but no…Obama wanted it his way or nothing…he’s going to get …NOTHING.
Report Post »bullcrapbuster
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:52pmThat fricken court is a bad joke. It is much about politics and little about law and the constitution.
Report Post »jamestoms
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:15pmThe country is over, done, no more, those in power are the Nazi’s and communist! We know what to do.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:51pmThe monstrosity slips through 6-3 or 7-2…..I hope I’m wrong.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:26pm@bull
yea, the supreme court is a joke. imagine if the democrats had control of president & congress for 25 years straight…The entire supreme court would be packed with progressives – and they would tear apart the constitution.
But the purpose of the supreme court is to uphold the constiution – not tweak it along party lines. This is just another example that this government is NOTHING what the founders envisioned.
Report Post »plattecountyconservative
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 6:11pmThere’s new found excitement from the conservative ranks today. As the Supreme Court hears oral arguments there’s close observation of each justices response We hang on their every word excruciatingly squinting to read between their descriptive lines. If we listen closely and if we analyze critically we believe we can accurately predict how each justice will vote.
We ask ourselves, do their responses give us legitimate insight into how they think? Absolutely! The words that spew from our mouths generally come from deep inside our heart. Generally, but not always! Can we assess their statements throughout the three or four days of oral arguments and then draw an accurate conclusion? By reading their actions and reactions can we accurately predict which side of the constitutional mandate they will fall?
I would state a resounding “no way!” Just because Justice Roberts chose to go toe to toe with government council does not enable us clear vision as to how he will vote. Just because Justice Kennedy has offered descriptive and compelling arguments explaining the unconstitutionality of the individual mandate is not truly indicative of his innermost thoughts regarding the Accountable Care Act (ACA) and certainly does not provide us high predictive value into how he will vote. Especially knowing that Justice Kennedy purportedly holds the decisive swing vote.
http://www.drkipp.com
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:51pmPeople – do NOT be fooled by this stuff!!! Do NOT fall for any of this nonsense. Also, take with a grain of salt how the media are reporting that even the liberal justices are “questioning” the Constitutionality of MarxistCare. Don’t believe this for one second, or you could be disappointed yet again.
This country is turning into a literal farce. I mean, this case – should have been decided within an hour of opening arguments, with a 9-0 vote striking MarxistCare unconstitutional. The fact that it will go on for months with the outcome clearly undecided until that time is really a shame. It’s an easy read: You may not coerce individuals into engaging in commerce by forcing those individuals into purchasing health insurance.
Report Post »jamestoms
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:16pmDown with the Supreme Court!!!!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:34pmYou’re not far off, dude.
In our case, it might help us, though. But imagine that in a few months, it is possible ONE SINGLE AMERICAN may decide whether we continue to be a republic.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:36pmHold on a second, if they just did a 9-0 vote to strike it down, with no deliberation, it would seem to be more of a farce. They are going to put a bit of lipstick on the pig before they ROAST it. Give them the time, read make it look like it was a hard decision, then throw the thing out…it’s the American way, after all. Don’t lose hope people, once we get this obomination thrown out, we will throw out the obominator in the fall, it’s that simple. I just hope the left let’s us get there in peace, not in pieces!
Report Post »Unix
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:38pmBTW – there will never be another 9-0 vote, we are too divided as a country now. This thing will be 5-4 sqeaker in favor of repealing the unconstitutional law. Just my opinion.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:48pmTonight I will pray for this abomination to be struck down. Hope others will join me in doing so.
Report Post »Goldomark
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:45pmYeah. Magic. That is the solution to solving things in the real world.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:48pmThis administration started out a train wreck and got worse.
Report Post »inexiletill2012
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:43pmGinsburg WILL retire in the next few years
Report Post »Beware of who you vote for, as they will appoint 1 Supreme Court Justice
sherkhan
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:06pmWhy shouldn’t we be required to buy life insurance? Everyone is going to die. Someone is going to get stuck with all of your bills.
Report Post »If you are a pauper we get stuck with the cost of picking up the deceased, examining cause of death, trying to contact next of kin and burying the body on government property.
Everyone is going to die, so we should have to purchase life insurance if not the cost gets spread around to everybody. By the way social security pays an amount when you die but it covers nothing
Brooke Lorren
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:54pmNot everybody needs life insurance. Bill Gates certainly doesn’t need life insurance.
As a matter of fact, neither do either of my grandparents. They will leave enough of an estate to pay for any of their expenses.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:14pmSHERKHAN, I can only suggest that you dislodge your head from your fourth point of contact and try to read at some parts of the bill itself. Frankly, the medical part of the bill is just the camel’s nose under the tent. It is a power grab by the libs and will take right from everybody regardless of political views. This thing even has provisions for future regulation of gold in private ownership. It’s anything but something as simple as you want it to be.
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:16pmSHERKHAN, Correction on my last post. I misread your post and am mistaken above.
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 8:33pm@Brooke
Report Post »Ease off with the hair color, OK?
progressiveslayer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:39pmWe have four constitutionalists on the court four communists and a moderate Kennedy,and he will decide the fate of this unconstitutional law.If it’s struck down as it should be it will energize the lunatic left to keep the Marxist POS in power,if it’s upheld Barry will lose in a landslide because that will be the only avenue we have to get rid of this draconian law.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:46pmLet the left go fruit. The people that voted him into office have wished they hadn’t done so. He will lose the election either way. You give the progs WAY too much credit. For the most part, they are the losers of society. They will lose again.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:53pmif the supreme court strikes down the law and mitt romney is the nominee, obama will point to mitt in the debates and say “your terrible mandate is still punishing the people of MASS”. At that point, what is mitt going to say?
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:17pmI think Romney’s point is state government can mandate you buy health insurance and the federal government has no authority to mandate we purchase health insurance,states rights.I’m no supporter of Mitt,I want Paul to get the nomination but he won‘t so we’ll have a choice of a progressive with an R next to his name or the Marxist POS currently oppressing us.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:23pmMIL-DOT They are the losers of our society but I don’t underestimate our enemy,they managed to get the most radical man elected president of the United States,he‘s a Marxist and a very dangerous man he’s antithetical to our constitution and bill of rights and he despises this country as founded,that‘s the whole ’fundamental transformation of America’ the Marxist heathen used during the campaign.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:23pmi dont think a state is authorized to violate our rights any more than the federal govt. i refer you to my post below. The constitution says that anything not mentioned is left to the states, so long as thos things are not unconstitutional.
nobody is looking at this but i presume they soon will
Report Post »NILAP
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:36pmRomney needs to reject Romneycare sooner than later. Steve Forbes has discussed this a number of times and has good suggestions on a real positive, market based healthcare plan. Republicans need a solid, well thought out healthcare plan to run on that includes some of the things in Obamacare.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:47pmromney defends obamacare to this day. if the supreme court decides obamacare is unconstitutional – is mitt romney still going to defend an unjust law?
Report Post »Unbelievable
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:52pmWhy? Mass is a STATE run program NOT a FEDERAL mandated program. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:04pmso it is a good thing for romney to support an unconstitutional mandate? Do you think the 9th and 10th ammendments allow the states to violate WHATEVER rights they want to? You romney supporters apparently do. Romney knows so little about the constituion that he just recently gave the ‘states rights’ argument for romneycare
You romneyists do not understand that we have natural rights – enshrined as part of the constitution. Our natural rights include things like freedom of speech, religion, press, gun ownership, and protection from searches. According to the 14 amendment and the incorporation doctrine, A STATE CANNOT VIOLATE OUR RIGHTS. If the individual mandate in obamacare is unconstitutional…..So is the individual mandate in romneycare
It is only a matter of time until you realize this. The media may be keeping this undercover until the general election and then they will spring it on romney and show him to be ignorant of the constitution. Romney is a progressive and the proof is in the puddin
Report Post »Naram-Sin
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:06pmRomney only needs to point out the differences between his plan and the one the democrats passed in the state legislature. He should also point out that all of his line item vetoes were overridden by the lopsided democrat majority in the State legislature. The Massachusetts health care law is not Romney care.
Romney’s plan had no mandates. It required people who failed to pay for insurance to pay for their own medical bill (something every conservative should support). There was no penalty for not buying insurance (the Democrats put those in and Romney vetoed them). The plan set up a clearing house where people could buy any insurance plan they wanted from any provider, but the Democrats didn’t like a free market approach and limited it to 20. Romney’s plan would have stopped illegal aliens from get free health care.
Romney’s plan was created with the help of the Heritage Foundation. It was a conservative’s plan. Hospitals are required by law to provide health care to everyone who shows up, but it would have stopped the current practice of forcing all of us to pay for free loaders who won’t buy insurance and refuse to pay their medical bills.
What Romney needs to do is point out what his plan really was (too many conservatives don’t know), point out what the Democrats did to it, and then point out that you can’t trust Democrats, especially when they have an overwhelming majority in the legislature.
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:15pmif that is the case, why didnt he veto the entire bill. I dont think the “democrats made me do it” agrument is going to go over well with the public….Especially since he WANTED to be governor of a liberal state
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:33pmIt’s a tax, it’s a floor wax, it’s a tax, it’s a floorwax.
Wait, it’s both, a tax and it makes you floors sparkle. It’s Obama and Glo, thanks Unicorns.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:48pmDon’t eat colored marshmallows, they may be unicorn droppings…or Obama droppings, at this point in time.
Report Post »TulsaYeeHaw
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:04pmThis is so ADD, BUT…. At my office, we had to watch a safety video, during which we were told not to eat floor tile……I’m dead serious.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:26pmIn the 90′s they made us put our floorwax and General Purpose cleaner in our Hazardous material locker, and we had to record every ounce we used. Good ole EPA.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:51pm@ Tulsa
I would wonder how you would prepare Floor Tile for a meal. Sauteed? Barbeque? Steamed? Kinda hard to classify, IMHO. Ah! Idea! Fried in 5W30, served with BWW’s Parmesan Garlic sauce and a good smattering of celery to garnish.
@ Darmok
Here’s a good one for you. NHTSA has classified the mix syrup used to make soft drinks (Coca-cola, Pepsi, Mountain Dew, etc.) as a corrosive Hazmat and transporting more than 1000 lbs of it requires federal shipping declarations and hazmat placards. Food (or drink) for thought for a day.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:32pmEven if it gets struck down the federal government will ignore it…why should they start abiding now?
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:44pmexactly they have no regard for the law I am sorry but I am not optimistic about this. even if the law is struck down we have 4 liberal loons on the supreme court bench who care mare about their liberal cause than the law. don’t get me started on the appelate courts. just not seeing this with the rose colored glasses everyone else seems to be wearing
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:18pmSeriously, what would happen if they did not comply? My guess, they’ll do what they did with the oil drilling…dispute it! M-f’ers!
Report Post »P8riot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:28pmThis is ANOTHER example of why it is SO IMPORTANT to have a Republican president in office…i.e. ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO SAY YOU WON’T VOTE FOR ROMNEY IN THE GENERAL, ARE LETTING OBAMA APPOINT MORE LIBERAL JUDGES…
Let’s face it… the judicial branch trumps the executive and legislative branches with its authority to declare their acts unconstitutional.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:34pmBush appointees have found this mandate CONSTITUTIONAL in the circuit courts. I think Romney would put “Centrists” in there which pretty much equate to LIBERALS!
Report Post »shogun459
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:44pm@CESSNA152
Bush was NOT a concervative, he is a progressive globalist.
Report Post »Paydert33
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:02pm@P8RIOT……yes, very good and that’s so true. All we need is a Republican President who has a pen in his hand to sign the repeal. We have to have Republican control of the House and Senate. If o-loser gets in with a Republican control of the House and the Senate……it doesn’t matter…o-loser will have pen in hand, but will not sign the repeal. And he will appoint the most liberal of judges….if that is possible due to Kagen and Sodameiyer (however you spell that losers name).
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:07pmEven more important is to have republicans in congress with the guts to only accept judges that will enforce the constitution. I dont care who is president, the congress has the real power to decide who the next supreme justice will be
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:28pmIt amazes me that proponents of personal responsibility like Republicans do not support a law that requires every human being to be responsible for their own health insurance.
Everyone gets sick at one point or another, and if you don’t have health insurance you will go to the emergency room for treatment, which costs so much more than the cost of regular checkups and preventative care. For most uninsured, the cost of the emergenmcy visit gets spread among the taxpayers. The new law would ensure that everyone is covered, and spreads the cost.
Moreover, the new law makes it illegal to discriminate against pre-existing conditions and allows children to stay on their parents’ health insurance till they are 26. This is a huge benefit.
For those of you who do not need this legislation because you do not have young adult children, pre-existing conditions, etc. and do not want to pay for it through your tax dollars–think long term. lPeople who do not have children still pay local taxes that go to education, and people who oppose war still pay federal taxes when 50% of the budget goes to fighting foreign wars.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:40pmYour premise is entirely wrong BAIKONUR..but that‘s because you’re a blind, uninformed, robotic lefty. The expansion of Medicaid is what’s meant to be funded by the individual mandate. To dumb it down for you…WE now have to pay for an additional 30 million uninsured. So where you’re getting this “eveyone pays for their insurance” idiocy from is beyond me. Oh and BAIKONUR..the CBO just released new numbers on the cost of Obamacare. Obama crowed about Obamacare coming in under $1 trillion dollars (while not acknowledging the budget tricks, three card monty cost hiding and the doctor fix on another bill). The CBO now puts it’s cost at $1.76 trillion. In less than 3 years it’s nearly doubled in cost estimates. We’re not all as stupid as you are BAIKONUR.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:42pmU should really think about writting novels.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:44pmA majority of democrats don’t want it either … don’t kid yourself
Report Post »Duey2000
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:45pmYou contradict yourself in your own words. You want people to be responsible for themselves but in doing so through obamacare they share the costs. I am thinking long term. The issue with the individual mandate is that this would allow the government to require you to purchase a product based on the fact that you are alive and in the US. The argument that this is just like states requiring you to purchase auto insurance is an invalid argument. You buy auto insurance because you CHOOSE to operate a motor vehicle in those states. So what other things would the government be allowed to force you to buy or outlaw based upon this law? You laugh about it but think long and hard. This law came about because there were too many people not on health insurance. What if the government decides that too many people are dying from cigarette smoke or drinking alcohol? What if the government decids that too many people die in auto accidents and so you are required to buy a certain vehicle that is made by the government (or GM)? What if the government decides that the cost of raising kids is too high and decides to impose limits on the number of children that you can have like in China? When this law was created it opened a whole new can of worms…
Report Post »AM-Saves
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:47pm@ Baikonur,
You contradict yourself:
“It amazes me that proponents of personal responsibility like Republicans do not support a law that requires every human being to be responsible for their own health insurance.”
Yet in the same post you mention:
“The new law would ensure that everyone is covered, and spreads the cost.”
The “spreading of the cost” that you speak of equates to everyone paying for each other, which does not follow the track of personal responsibility, put simply I’m not responsible for you & your costs of living.
Not to mention the atrocity of a mandate, unless you like someone forcing you to purchase a product simply because you are alive.
You show signs of intelligence, but I simply can’t understand which premises you live your life on.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:47pmOh spare us the sophistry Baikonur. We *had* a system where people were responsible for their own insurance, that the vast overwhelming majority of people wish to retain, and it’s called the free market. Forcing us into government mandates to “pay our fair share” against a system we disapprove of from the get go is not a rational argument, it is, as I said, sophistry.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:15pmBy the way BAIKONUR..how many 26 year old “children” do you know?
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:17pm@AVENGER
I don’t know any personally, but a whole bunch of them post here regularly.
You will find a bunch more at your local Owserfest.
And another large group of them at most any of our institutions of higher indoctrination.
And lastly, I would bet that Baiknour himself fits that description to a tee.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:35pmRIGHTSOFBILLY…touche’.
Report Post »dazedandamazed
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 5:27pmWhen your kids are 26 they are not kids anymore and should be supporting themselves. Sounds like you need to grow up also.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:23pmThe American people don’t want it … didn’t want it when they passed it in Congress … we voted in a Republican majority in the House in retaliation to the law being passed … and … we STILL don’t want it. That very fact might be what sways the court … oh … and … It’s unconstitutional.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:28pmDoes anybody know Obamas golf handicap, really this is suppose 2 be the most open admin.Free health nutz 4 all.
Report Post »Moozmom
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:20pmKagan needs to recuse herself. The justices need to vote this “evil” down and out. The people need to assume control of their government, kick out those now serving, and get on with the business of staying out of the people’s business. And the people need to realize they are responsible for saving themselves. None of this ‘poor me” crap.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:25pmOk so is the individual mandate a penalty or a tax? Anyone? Beuller?
Report Post »abbygirl1994
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:17pmPray my fellow citizens! Pray to the Almighty that Obamacare is flushed! This ia about taking over every thing in our lives.. this is about tyranny.. We must not let Obama win.. nor should he have a second term.. but what he needs is to go home in shame, for surely he is the worst President we American’s have ever seen! Pray!
Report Post »soybomb315
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:30pmi agree
let’s also pray that the republicans have learned their mistakes and are going to shrink the size of government….
Report Post »WTFGOV_ENUF
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:17pmPlease let this be the decision it needs to be to start getting this country back on track as the great nation we once were. Baby steps but this is a big one.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:25pmFrom his lips to God’s ears! Pray people Pray …
OMG 2012!
Report Post »michael48
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:15pmas with crap..taxes and fees flow downhill…this is a gigantic tax on ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS…and this opens the gate to a very slippery ravine…make book on it …what’s next?????
Report Post »oldguy49
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:19pmgattica the movie
Report Post »Toltepeceno
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:15pmGood, hopefully it will bite the dust.
Report Post »TheObamanation
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:40pmLol … your avatar picture is hilarious
Report Post »Half
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:14pmFirst, understand their plan:
http://mises.org/daily/5955/The-Seven-Rules-of-Bureaucracy
Report Post »Therightsofbilly
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:22pmThanks for that link,
Good article and great site.
Report Post »Itsjusttim
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:12pmYeah, and instead you’ll get Romney-care, but care you shall get, because they think it’s their job to care for you, and incidentally all the money benefits them also.
Report Post »Baikonur
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:15pmDostoyevsky: ‘We are all responsible for everyone.’
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:19pmState law, u can move.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:25pmWho’s responsible for you BAIKONUR?
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:25pmIt’s Dostoevsky. I would have thought a commie like you could spell Russian names correctly.
Report Post »SoupSandwich
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:31pmBaconHour-
Report Post »Piss on that like a cow on a flat rock.
We quit teaching people to fish and just hand them the fish. Lazy, worthless trolls (no offense) just lay around and demand made up rights. Oh, I will be needing your wallet and vehicle for the weekend, going on down to Mehico, no issues with that right? Don’t worry about your credit or name. It is just a village thingy after all.
Brooke Lorren
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:46pmWell, if you want to be the spelling police, wouldn’t it technically be Достоевский? After all, he was Russian ;-).
Report Post »flipper1073
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 2:40pmI generally don’t like spelling police but that was a good one Brooke
Report Post »dimbulbz
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 12:57pmWill you shut your pie hole? NO WAY IS ROMNEY GOING TO IMPOSE ROMNEYCARE ON THE US. What are you smoking? You are completely ignorant of the facts. None of the Republican candidates have EVER said anything except repeal. Stop trying to confuse people.
Report Post »Mark0331
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:11pmStarting to see the light….be nice if this is the catalyst that swings the Liberal Barry Owned Media back into the realm of ‘Constitutional Sense’, so to speak…could those media outlets turn on Barry? Or would that be racist? I can’t wait to see how Barry spins this if it does not go his way…probably order his minions to riot, burn and scream racism….grab the popcorn folks, gonna be fun to watch.
Report Post »youdidthis
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:08pmmandate goes down …everything goes with it.
none of this bs piecemeal .
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:16pmHope so. Just think of all the money & time waisted on this , wow.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:16pmIf the mandate goes down, while leaving the prohibition against denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, expect the insurance companies to protest loudly! Obamacare is likely to be more popular in defeat than it was when it was on the books. Be careful what you wish for!
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:17pmPS & the forest ( paper )
Report Post »USPATRIOT101
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:31pmlloyd look at social security. Do you really want another government program doomed for failure? We need to address the real issue with affordable healthcare and keep government mandates away from free citizens.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:32pmLLOYD DRAKO…with no “revenue” mechanism in place the people realise the expansion of Medicaid can’t be paid for. Obama can‘t sell Obamacare when it’s unfunded. Even his “fair share”, “tax the rich” won’t work on this one.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 3:37pmUSPatriot: Social Security is not doomed to failure. With a slight increase in the retirement age coupled with an increase in the cap on income taxable to fund it, it could easily operate into the foreseeable future.
AvengerK: Medicare and Medicaid are another matter! Obamacare does not really solve the problem of sustaining these programs. My point, however, was not Obamacare’s desirability, affordability or sustainability, but rather its political popularity. If the court strikes it down, it will be a Pyrrhic victory for the right. The left will use its defeat to rally their troops. Moderates and ndependents will be horrified either to find insurance premiums skyrocketing, pre-existing conditions no longer covered, and assorted other goodies that were promised no longer in the goodie-bag.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:12pmI still don’t agree LLOYD DRAKO. Once/if the individual mandate is gone Obamacare has no funding mechanism. It‘s just too difficult for the democrats or Obama to tell the American people we’ll be covering 30 million more people on a system that’s already looking at insolvency. It won’t fly no matter what heart strings Obama and the democrats choose to pull. Premiums appear to be going up now anyway and employers are already murmuring about cutting off benefits to pay the fines or take write downs (as Deere & Co has talked about). People understand the compassionate aspect of it but they don’t want a flawed monstrosity like Obamacare trying to address the problems with health care coverage. The biggest factor is cost and Obamacare doesnt’ address it.
Report Post »Blackhawk1
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 4:47pmLloyd Drako
Your totally missing one fact. Over 60% of people Don’t want Obamacare and never did. If the individual mandate is struck down the funding is gone. Insurance companies will raise premiums on those with pre-exsisting conditions and the idiots who have their 26 year old (Children) adults on their insurance, as it should be and there will be nothing the liberals can do about it. You underestimate the intelligence of independents. They are already jumping the Obama ship in droves because for the most part they are tired of liberals telling them it’s raining out when actually they are being pi ssed on.
Report Post »GoodStuff
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:08pmChief Roberts better not stab us in the back here. C’mon Roberts we need you.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:07pmDon’t get your hopes up people. It’s better to be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.
Report Post »Sirfoldallot
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:13pmStill praying, Plz forgive the idiots on hill , plz.
Report Post »eyestoseeearstohear
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:14pmAbsolutely, GONZO…
I pray that Justice Kennedy – as well as, the others, will use good judgement for
Report Post »the sake of the Constitution and the People.
SoupSandwich
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:14pmBe a wee bit more than pleasantly surprised. Sort of odd hearing the state media admit to it being a train wreck.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:15pmAgreed GONZO….let’s not celebrate until this is put away properly.
Report Post »DenisWTexas
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:40pmTrue. They KNOW they have 4 votes because the liberal judges would vote in favor of the law even if they were on fire and they could only be put out by voting against it. We only can be certain of THREE votes at this point. So we’re behind 4 to 3 and have to get BOTH the other votes to retore sanity to this land. Either one of Kennedy or Roberts cracks, and he will be the justice that took down the greatest nation in the history of the world. I just hope that thought is enough to make them both err on the side of the American People.
Report Post »GoodSis
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:57pmGuarded optimism is my tact today…we so need to hear legitimate moral boosting news from some corner of this Government.
Something else to consider, Judge Andrew Napolitano, about an hour ago gave his prediction on how he believes the SCOTUS vote will go–he says, probably a 5 to 4 against Obamacare. Particularly because of the “exceedingly” stinging questions by a couple of the judges, especially from Kennedy. The Judge has not yet listened to recordings of today’s proceedings, but this is his impression of the mood of the Court so far.
Could be happening. Fingers crossed. (Where is my hankie?)
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on March 28, 2012 at 8:28pm@Gonzo
Report Post »Remeb er the scene in Caddyshack. Bill Murray is out by the flowers and suddenly starts muttering like a golf commentator. The point is that the solicitor general cannot possibly be that bad at his job. Sotomayor and Kegan are playing way too hard on him. Alright! the verbals are done and the administration got creamed. .One– two– three months maybe even four months go by. There is announcment that the decision has been reached. It was tough, close really hard , much negotiaitions and many meeting s and
BOOM!– – Oh my God1 It;s in the hole! Another stunning win for the cinderella boy!
hi
Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:06pmEveryone pray he is right and it is struck down. Prayer and repentance is our only hope.
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