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CNN Uses Fla. Shooting to Debate Gun Control

It was only a matter of time.

Last night‘s edition of CNN’s “Parker/Spitzer” included a debate over gun control sparked by the recent Florida shooting. The question, in short: What can, or should, be done about a crazy man like Clay Duke running around and shooting up a school board?

On the we-need-more-gun-control side was Patterson, New Jersey (a crime-laden city) Jeffery Jones. On the pro-gun side is National Review’s Kevin Williamson. But more importantly, taking the gun control side is former NJ Gov. Elliot Spitzer. Not only is he the token liberal on the show but, as the media has reported lately, he’s also hijacked the show and taken the spotlight from fellow host, and sort-of conservative Kathleen Parker. So what happens, the segment turns into a we-need-more-gun-control segment real quick, and a gang-up on Williamson.

Here’s the clip, where Mayor Jones starts out with a great point, but then comes to the wrong conclusion — the laws don’t stop bad people from getting guns, thus we need a more “aggressive” approach:

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  • jedi.kep
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:14am

    One nut job out of how many millions of decent, law abiding citizens. Punish the majority for the very small minority. We do it with Christ. We do it with gun laws. We do it with ‘offensive’ speech.

    WHY DOES THE MINORITY HAVE THE LARGER PLATFORM TO SPEAK FROM? and Will the MAJORITY EVERY RISE UP TO ANSWER????

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    • puck30
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:13am

      We are starting to, we are moving the ball in the right direction. The bad part is we are up against our own endzone and we have the whole field to march.

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    • NotaLemming
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:32am

      …..”One nut job out of how many millions of decent, law abiding citizens”…. You mean Obama.

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  • CaptGregg
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:12am

    “…the laws don’t stop bad people from getting guns, thus we need a more “aggressive” approach.”
    The most effective “aggressive approach” is for a majority of law-abiding citizens to opt for concealed carry.

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    • NotaLemming
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:34am

      More Aggressive approach? How about we all carry firearms and when some LEFTIST like this guy attempts to shoot everyone he disagrees with he will get lead poisoning….. FAST and from many directions, one can hope!

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  • AmericanMomma
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:12am

    About Guns, I received an email, verified by snopes, that said when you do your 2010 taxes you are required to list each gun you own, and pay a $50 tax on each one. There were also some rules you must abide by…if you have children in the house you must have the weapon unaccessible to them at all times – also the govt can come to your house to ensure you are following their rules at any time. If not, they will take the gun(s) from you. Has anyone else heard about this??

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:24am

      Nope, and it’s not true….and even if it was true, I’d not obey it since the federal government has no need to know whether I have weapons, how many, or what types…IDENTIFYING YOURSELF AS A GUN OWNER TO THE GOVERNMENT IS ONLY A PRELUDE TO GUN CONFISCATION.

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    • Mastermagi
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:32am

      @AmericanMomma

      From truthorfiction.com:

      This was either a misreading of the actual bill or an intentional misrepresentation of it.

      SB2099 was known as the “Handgun Safety and Registration Act of 2000.” Some versions of the eRumor have changed the dated to 2009 but that was added by someone along the way. The bill died in a Senate committee and was never passed into law.

      TruthOrFiction.com reviewed some of the history and the text of the bill as well as a portion of the IRS code it sought to amend.

      The bill would amended the National Firearms Act (NFA) to require registration of handguns in the same way as machine guns and short-barrel weapons. That process have would include photographs, background checks, fingerprinting, and restrictions on interstate transport. It would have also required a $5 tax for transferring ownership and a $50 tax per gun on gunmakers.

      Nothing in the law required gun owners to list their guns on their income tax returns. That confusion may have come from the fact that the law refered to the Internal Revenue Service, but only because the act it sought to amend, the NFA, was a part of the Internal Revenue Service Code.

      Also, there was language in the bill that refered to “return” information, but that wasn’t about personal income taxes. It was about a database of gun registration information which this bill would have sought to allow law enforcement agencies to access online.

      I would add, Momma, that it’s unlikely most Americans would admit to having them. I wouldn’t report mine, would you? Let them come and try to take away over 200,000,000 guns from the folks in this country. It would not be an easy task, I assure you.

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    • occaperson
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:59am

      Yes it is a very real law!!!!!! Look at what happened to the law-abiding citizen in N.O.La. after Katrina[sp]. The “law” took away her guns & slammed her into a wall while doing their Natzi SS type “gun control”. All because she didnot have said guns under lock & key. Which does one no good when a gun is needed. “Wait! Wait I have to find the key & unlock my gun before you murder me so just wait ok?”

      More people are murdered[killed] by cars than by guns so let us ban cars!

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  • shanneba
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:11am

    If as reported he was a convicted felon, it is already against the law (gun control act of 1968) for him to own or posses a firearm. Someone else must have violated the gun control laws for him to have the handgun, will this be investigated? Probably not.
    Would having to violate another law have stopped him? NO.

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  • badswing
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:05am

    i know ,i know!!! they should make guns illegal. then no law abiding citizen would have one. problem solved. now if we could just sit down and talk to the thugs that live in paterson, n.j (folks, u cant even walk down the street at sundown in this city) to convince them how good life would be if they become productive citizens, marry their 5 kids mothers and raise respectful children who complete high school or trade school, go to church and pay their taxes, life would be Christmas everyday. (am I allowed to type Christmas on a public website?)..BTW, did you notice how Spitzer (he of ****** fame who gets to opine on CNN) totally blows off the point about the guy with 19 felony convictions. nah that cant be the problem. and another BTW, he is from NY not NJ, we have enough scumbags here without adding NYs

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  • Hondaman
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:05am

    Oh my God . . . . matches causes arson, and that causes murder. Wow, when will they ban matches?

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  • designbyinspiration
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:03am

    Every city that has eased gun controls has seen a significant drop in crime rate.
    The law of the land states we may bear arms. ” Those states that have armed citizens are governed. Those that have unarmed citizens are ruled.” Their goal is clear enough for me, this is 1 right I will not give up. Oh wait, I don’t have to give up any of them! Darn, sucks to be a control freak liberal! Lol

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  • poverty.sucks
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:03am

    Place all the gun control you can possibly think of, convicted felons continue to obtain guns. Senseless debate.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:05am

      Indeed, quite senseless.

      I mean think about it. The convicts in prison have weapons, and sometimes even acquire guns (I have no idea how). They also have prostitutes and drugs. In prison.

      We can’t even begin to address these “problems” (I will not presume to debate whether they actually are problems on this thread, that’s another topic), until we have the nation locked down to at LEAST maximum security prison levels. And then that’s just the START of getting serious.

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  • AmericanMomma
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:03am

    More people should get their concealed weapons permits, and carry. This would decrease crime in my opinion, because the perp would think twice before commiting a crime in fear someone would take him out. Thank God for the security guard who shot the perp before anyone was hurt. Lock and load! These left wing nuts forget that guns don’t kill people, people kill people!

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    • Hondaman
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:09am

      Americanmomma, you are right on. I have two friends that are instructors for CCW classes. They both tell me there is more and more people taking the training to get a permit. I have serveral guns at home and will not hesitate it use them the minute someone steps inside my house and tries to take it away.

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  • Claude
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:02am

    The woman that tried to clock the guy with her purse would’ve been better served to have a small pistol in it.

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    • DGroundhog
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:05am

      Maybe we should look into purse control.

      These women swinging their purses at men are DANGEROUS!

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  • HWWolf
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:02am

    I am sick of the we need more gun control crowd, Guns don’t kill people, it is an object. Tool. People kill people, and the man that attempted killing people is already guilty of 3 or more laws. Is the school board office a gun free zone? Did the shooter have a CCW to carry a concieled gun? He shots are an atemped murder charge for each bullet.

    I’m sorry laws will never save everyone, because if someone is going to kill someone they have already decided on their actions. And in the end the only person that can protect you is yourself. The saying goes When seconds count police are minutes away. And I would rather be judged by 12 than be carried by 6.

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:02am

    again, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. gun owners are some of the most clean and honest people in the world because of the back ground checks we must go through just to own a gun, these crooks and dumbassess will get guns no matter how much you try to prevent them, they will steal them. if we don”t have guns we can’t protect our selves from these idiots .
    this is a ruse, Obama is trying to buy pass congress to get his gun control czar in place without anyone noticing but we know, these guy is against semi-rifles, shot guns and semi-handguns, so please call your congressman and senators to say no to this gun control nut jod. for more info on this gun czar go to Nra, are national gun rights . com.

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  • Conserving Ink
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:00am

    When there are more guns in the hands of honest citizens, there is more control.
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    • Conserving Ink
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:01am

      oops, bad webernets connection.

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    • nadz
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:04am

      Living in Patterson, NJ – I can tell you it is not the amount of guns that is the issue…it is the people liviing in Patterson. Isn’t it funny that the areas that have the lowest crime rates, are the ones that have the least amount of gun control…i.e. New Hamphire and others.

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  • tmkphx1962
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:59am

    These people are pure idiots. The mayor wants to get guns off “his” streets. Great take the guns away from the law abiding citizens and only the criminals will have guns.

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    • Diamondback
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 12:10pm

      And BEWARE of making me a criminal.

      I believe strongly in “be the best you can be” at whatever task you are about.

      While the general population would have nothing to fear from me, the “authorities” who refused to give up their positions or badges WOULD and I would go for the SHOCK AND AWE style of warfare.

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  • dizzyinthedark
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:59am

    I’m agreement that had the people in the audience, the purse wielding woman or even those on the panel had guns with a sign posted stating “This Is A Gun Carrying Zone” this man probably would’ve thought twice about even showing up to that meeting with his gun–end of story. He most likely would’ve stayed home and just shot himself–end of his sad story.

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  • love the kids
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:59am

    Mabey spitzer should first go after penis control. I don’t know how a person can sit on a show like this after his past actions. Not only was he cheating on his wife with a prostitute, he screwed every single person in NYS. Let’s not forget, he is guilty of federal crimes, but the feds said they would not prosecute because they figured he suffered enough. He put many people in very ethical positions such as the security personel who were gaurding him and then having to let this woman into his room. This is once again a case of I know what is best for you.

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  • Conserving Ink
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:59am

    When there are more guns in the hands of honest citizens, there is more control.
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  • itsmyfirstday
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:58am

    If they had only hung a “No Guns Allowed” sign on the door then the shooter would have left his gun outside….

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    • NotaLemming
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:41am

      Perhaps Spitzer can run around putting these stupid signs up. After all only those that obey laws anyway will listen. Thus leaving the law abiding citizens at the mercy of the ARMED THUGS. Similar to those thugs in Washington DC.

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  • mtnclimberjim
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:57am

    I have excellent gun control. I hit what I shoot at.
    Merry Christmas

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  • GeauxAlready
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:55am

    Wife’s Mom is here, she is a gem. Her answer to gun violence “Quit Piss’in People off! And you won’t get your bumb ass shot!”

    She mat be on to something

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  • oddball143
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:55am

    I have a CCW permit and carry everywhere I am allowed to

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    • oldoldtimer
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 3:46pm

      ????? Why do you have to be allowed to? “Shall not be infringed”. Sounds like infringment to me.

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  • NickDeringer
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:52am

    Wow. Where does one begin?

    If anybody at the meeting had a concealed carry they could have defended themselves instead of sitting there like targets at a shooting gallery.

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    • guyperram
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:02am

      Lucky targets in a shooting gallery.

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    • NotaLemming
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:39am

      I am sure they have an ordinance that makes bringing a gun to a political event of any kind OR ANY PLACE A GUN MAY ACTUALLY BE NEEDED, even by a CC holder is against the law. It is that way here in GA and we have some of the best CC laws on the books. I know I carry.

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    • Pslam 144 verse 1
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 11:26am

      In Florida, even if you have a CCL you are not allowed to carry it into “public” buildings like hospitals, schools, or even some stores. So, if ya did you would end up facing charges.

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    • oldoldtimer
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 3:43pm

      Chances are they would never have hit the target. Most people who carry go to the range and plink away at 25yards or 15 yards. I go to the range I drop the table and practice get in your face defenseive fire. I get some one to bring the taret at me as I react and fire at 3 feet. First time I shot too low. The second too high and to one side. Then I found my comfort zone I can now draw,move and fire 3 rounds center mass in less than 2 seconds. Why did I start doing this? I had it pointed out to me by a cop. That threat is going to be in your face not 25 yards away. At 25 yards they are not a threat. Most pocket guns are for 7 yards of less(21feet) How do you get robbed at 21 feet?

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  • DGroundhog
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:52am

    How about Obama stops with his calls for class warfare and telling his supporters “if they bring a knife, we bring a gun”.

    This guy was apparently listening.

    I blame Obama and his violent rhetoric for this man’s actions.

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    • badswing
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:08am

      yeah, that exact point has been made over and over again by the MSM. oh wait, nevermind

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:49am

    Yeah, Juan Williams was on Hannity last night, talking about gun control. Well if doesn’t want to own a gun, I really don’t think he should. But if someone wants to do me harm, and if I can get to mine first then I am going to stop him or them. I would whole lot rather have a gun and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    • 23
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:25am

      can you please talk to my husband? I say the same thing almost every day.

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    • GhostOfJefferson
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:02am

      @23

      Remind your husband that it is the man’s/father’s responsibility, the very essence of his role, to both provide for, and protect, his family. Baseball bats, tazers, all that, simply won’t do the trick. Many criminals come in armed and willing to slaughter families if they get in the way. There is no excuse for a husband and father to reject the very tools he needs to effectively protect his family, his wife and children, as he must.

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    • Taquoshi
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:17am

      Note to governor -

      Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. The earliest recorded murder was Cain and Abel in the Bible and Cain definitely did not have a gun. Since then, there have been millions of murders committed without guns. Rocks, sticks, knives, wire, bombs (a particular favorite of a peaceful religion), you name it, it’s probably been used to murder someone.

      Second point. This man had two very clear chances to kill someone, the Board member who hit him with her purse and the Superintendent of Schools (8 feet away). He did not, repeat, did not pull the trigger on the woman. When he did aim and shoot at the Superintendent, the shots went wide. Unless you are a total newbie with firearms, missing body mass at 8 feet is hard. God alone knows what was going on inside of his head, but I seriously doubt that his intent was to kill anyone other than himself. And that rather offbeat statement by his wife seems to support that. Apparently this nutcase was making a political statement and committed suicide to make sure it was noticed.

      Trying to judge the moral character or predict the future of a gun owner is a mistake. As someone said earlier, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

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    • guyperram
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 10:31am

      23- Just having a gun isn’t enough. Without practice a pistol is more difficult to shoot accurately than you think. Even with practice, the first time you need to use it, against a real target, is very difficult. I recommend a 12 ga shotgun, bigger spread, you don’t have to be as accurate. It also doesn’t carry as far (not nice to nail a neighbor) and really does not need the practice of a handgun,
      Also, an unloaded gun is just a club. If you think the bad guys will give you time to load, think again. A big dog would be a better defense.

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 11:10am

      Guns don’t kill people, gun LAWS kill people. Unarmed people are very easy targets for the bad guys.
      BTW anyone see a gangbanger walking around with a hunting rifle lately? I have to argue about the hunting rifles being a greater threat to people since the bad guys don’t usually carry hunting rifles. I could kill someone with a high powered slingshot faster than a guy who is a bad shot could kill me with a deer rifle.

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    • Ben Frank
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 12:37pm

      To 23
      Get your husband the book “From Luby’s to the Legislature” – Suzanna Hupp.

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    • oldoldtimer
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 3:33pm

      Ghost, That gun does you no good when the law says it must be unloaded and secured at all times. How many know that even with a carry permit if a emergency is declared(when you need your gun) it is illegal to posses a weapon. Check your local laws. Get it changed before it is too late. Remember when they confiscated guns illegally from law abiding citizens during Katrina and left them at the mercy of armed looters? Who is going to stop them when the cops are willing to violate the Constitution and the very laws they are suppose to uphold. (Google Oathkeepers)

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    • triquad
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 6:00pm

      @23,I would ask your husband this.Would he rather watch an intruder rape or murder you or you children right in front of his eyes when chances are he could have prevented the whole attack in the first place just by simply having a fire arm close by to defend you. If he answers yes than I would seriously be looking for a new husband.Because it‘s obvious he does’nt care one bit about his families safety.

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  • Rev. WC
    Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:48am

    If every one in there would have had a gun he would have been taken out immediately..we need less gun control not more.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:56am

      Did they debate banning media matters ………

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    • Cemoto78
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:57am

      Remember the old saying; “If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.”

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    • guyperram
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:01am

      What a shock that the left wing nut jobs would want to discard the right to bear arms. Only an idiot would be willing to give up his/her weapons in the midst of what is going on in Washingtonograd! The amendment is in there for a reason, so we, if necessary, can stop what they are trying to do. Didn’t have a thing to do with Indians, it had everything to do with the Founding Fathers not trusting a large central government. The left wants to call those guys “stupid”. Somehow, I don’t think so.

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    • geminisailor
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:05am

      Liberals love to ignore evidence! Let there be no mistake about this. They don’t really give a dam (French word referring to the smallest and least significant coin) about people’s safety. They ignore all the evidence that private ownership of firearms prevents rapes, robberies and murders; and they continue to pass laws forbidding private citizens from carrying weapons. They don’t care that the poorest people in our society are the ones most in need of protection, so in areas that they dominate, they ban inexpensive weapons. They will not support gun safety programs in schools or actual shooting leagues that might remove some of the mystery and glamour of firearms to children. Further, though any reasonable police officer will tell you that he can’t protect you (only investigate if you are the victim of a violent crime), the Liberal Elite will continue to insist that only the police and armed forces should be armed. The reason is for this is simple: right now, they control both, but if the people are armed, this is a threat to their power.

      Just as ODDBALL143, I have a Texas CHL, and I excercise my God-granted right to carry it wherever I am permitted to, everyday.

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    • emacski
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:13am

      As the old saying goes, “An armed society is a polite society.”

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    • Frameman
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:38am

      It might be a little cliche but this statement applies more now then ever “ When seconds count the police are only minutes away”.

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    • Sinista Mace
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:44am

      REV.WC is absolutely right.

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    • PA PATRIOT
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:45am

      It is not about the gun. It is about the person holding it.

      A culture and society dictates the value of life. If one lives in a society where the value of life is diminished to represent very little importance, or to be worth less than drugs and money, then rampant murder and gun crime is prevalent. The moral fabric of this society is corrupt and compromised. Gun control is basically unsustainable. Police do not have the legitimate resources to stop the lawlessness. It was only a matter of time until the criminals with guns will kill for fun. Gangs?

      My take on Governor Spitzer reviewing illegal activities…. That is the pot calling the kettle black. What the hell is going on?

      “NY Governor from January 2007 until his resignation on March 17, 2008 in the wake of the exposure of his involvement as a client in a high-priced prostitution ring.” Wikipedia

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    • 79USMC83
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 8:47am

      This was a given that the FAR-LEFT would use this as a ralling cry for Dis-Arming America. We already have Gun Control!! Laws of all kinds on the restrictions of owning guns. The MSM media is NOT going to even bring up this man’s Class Warfare rants about how it was the RICH man that drove him to his insanity!! The twist in this EVIL man’s mind and the hidden story is that his wife had been fired from a “Government Stupid” job!! The shooting took place in a “Government Stupid” building. I say instead of blaming this shooting on the “Gun” or this EVIL man we should put the blame on the “Government Stupid” and the school district that fired the lady!!! She must not have been a teacher and in a Union either or she would not have been getting fired. Actually I am glad this man had a gun and the only person he killed was himself with it!!! I am also happy the security officer had one too. Many times security officers are NOT armed either bBECAUSE of gun CONTROL.You see the gun, the Gun has to have someone pull the trigger and the Gun did not kill this man HE killed HIMSELF!!

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    • eddvoss
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:02am

      Gun control means hitting where you aim. Anything else is people control.

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    • IntheKnowOG
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:09am

      RepubliCorp
      EXACTLY!!!!!!!

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:11am

      Ok, the left-wing crazies want to ban guns because another left-wing crazy got his hands on one? As the old saying goes: “you may have my gun, when you pry it from my cold, dead hands”

      And I wonder how far the incident would have gone, if the woman hitting him with her purse, had instead had a Glock in that purse and shot him full of holes?

      The Commies want your guns America, so you will be easier to lead to slaughter…..give them what they want…..bullets first.

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    • guyperram
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 9:19am

      TXPilot: I agree.

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    • Major Infidel
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 10:04am

      Liberals are funny.

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    • GayDem4Beck
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 10:06am

      None of the board members in that meeting could have carried a weapon into the building. That’s why they had armed security in the building. Florida law prohibits people (law abiding) form carrying in school zones and federal buildings. Unless they have special permission. At best they could have left the weapon in there car and someone might have been able to retrieve it and return to stop the threat.

      The problem and debate shouldn’t be legal gun owners or guns in general. The liberal/progressive left can’t draw the difference between the two. All they see is guns guns guns. If they take the peoples guns away, the next thing will be like the UK, all sharp knives and other objects will be restricted and taken away. What would be next, pitchforks, baseball bats, hockey sticks and rocks ?

      I’m all for mandatory safety classes, training for each weapon type, background checks, waiting periods & carry licenses. But we should NEVER tell the state or federal government what weapons we own or how many of them we have. Doing so only makes you a target if/when the government decides to take the weapons away from the citizens.

      My eyes have been opened over the last 3 years. Allot of that is thanks to my partner, Glenn Beck and Fox News. I’m still a registered Democrat, doing my part to get these Progressives, Socialist and Communist out of the Democrat party.

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    • trolltrainer
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 10:07am

      Thank God that security guard had a gun! Too bad that awesome lady with the purse did NOT have a gun! If just one person in that room had been armed it might have ended better.

      There are deranged people everywhere and it will only get worse. That incident is the best reason I can find TO own a gun! I live in Florida I have a CCW. I do not carry as much as I should. I need to start taking my gun with me more, even to church. Not only might the life of me and my family depend on it, but those around me too.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 10:29am

      we can’t implement AGENDA 21 and Codex without disarming America.
      Why do you think they are passing the Dream act ?
      I’ll tell you why, SO THE MEXICANS can attempt to enforce marshal law
      and take your guns while our soldiers are out of the country fighting
      for the Saudi’s .

      http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/dream-act-a-step-to-the-all-illegal-alien-army/
      they will divide America into 4 pieces.

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    • The American
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 10:50am

      The only form of gun control that I believe in is a firm grip, and a proper stance!

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    • independentvoteril
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 10:57am

      had Ginger had a gun and not a purse the guy wouldn’t have gotten off a shot.. BTW why didn’t she? Bet Santa brings her one.. They have been trying to change the minds of people on guns for at least the last 50 years and all as it has done is make people BUY more, and NOT register them.. It‘s like the abortion law they TRY to use it as a POLITICAL talking point and it doesn’t WORK .. Progressives like the one who had the gun still get them and THEY are the violent ones..

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    • Pslam 144 verse 1
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 11:03am

      Well, lets see..it was already labeled as a “gun free zone” and guess what…all the law abiding citizens obeyed the law, do they not see the fact that criminals don’t care about the law, that’s why they’re criminals. Also, I live here in Florida, and even if you have your carry conceal license you are not allowed to bring it in the building where the school board meeting was held. It’s one of those really special places that need to be protected from all guns, even those of us that are law abiding citizens with a CCL, so this would have happened no matter what. But it’s a good thing that idiots like him can’t shoot straight! Isn’t there a town in Georgia that made it a law that everyone MUST carry a gun, and didn’t their crime rate drop to zero, must’ve been some weird cosmic coincidence, not the fact that guns in the hands of competent gun owners deter crime. A gun in the hand is better than a police officer on the phone any day!

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    • mikedy
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 11:31am

      Amen. I was going to post that we do need to look at gun control laws, they are too strict. We have to make it easier for all law abiding people to carry a gun. Do you think this idiot would have been half as threatening or even done this if he knew everyone else on the panel had a gun pointing back at him?

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    • bjornskis
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 1:56pm

      countries with strict gun control have a crime we seldom see in America
      home invasion because the people invading a home know the people are not armed

      Also in large cities with gun control the criminals know most people do not have a gun.

      The reason criminals pick a place to shoot up is they know no one there is armed. and you have a bunch of easy targets.

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    • desertspeaks
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 2:37pm

      Anti-Gun Senator Shoots Intruder State Senator R.C. Soles (D – NC) Long time Anti-Gun Advocate State Senator R.C. Soles, 74, shot one of two intruders at his home just outside Tabor City , N.C. about 5 p.m. Sunday, the prosecutor for the politician’s home county said.

      The intruder, Kyle Blackburn, was taken to a South Carolina hospital, but the injuries were not reported to be life-threatening, according to Rex Gore, district attorney for Columbus, Bladen andBrunswick counties..

      The State Bureau of Investigation and Columbus County Sheriff’s Department are investigating the shooting, Gore said. Soles, who was not arrested,declined to discuss the incident Sunday evening.

      “I am not in a position to talk to you,” Soles said by telephone. “I’m right in the middle of an investigation.”

      The Senator, who has made a career of being against gun ownership for the general public, didn’t hesitate to defend himself with his own gun when he believed he was in immediate danger and he was the victim.

      In typical hypocritical liberal fashion, the “Do as i say and not as i do” Anti-Gun Activist Lawmaker picked up his gun and took action in what apparently was a self-defense shooting. Why hypocritical you may ask? It is because his long legislative record shows that the actions that he took to protect his family, his own response to a dangerous life threatening situation, are actions that he feels ordinary citizens should not have if they were faced with an identical situation.

      It has prompted some to ask if the Senator believes his life and personal safety is more valuable than yours or mine. But, this is to be expected from those who believe they can run our lives, raise our kids, and protect our families better than we can.

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    • desertspeaks
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 3:16pm

      State Senator R.C. Soles (D – NC)
      Long time Anti-Gun Advocate State Senator R.C. Soles, 74, shot one of two intruders at his home just outside Tabor City, N.C. about 5p.m. Sunday, the prosecutor for the politician’s home county said.
      The intruder, Kyle Blackburn, was taken to a S.C. hospital, but the injuries were not reported to be life threatening. According to Rex Gore, districk attorney for Columbus, Bladen and Brunswick counties,..
      The State Bureau of Investigation and Columbus County Sheriff’s Department are investigating the shooting, Gore said, Soles, who was NOT arrested, declined to discuss the incident Sunday evening.
      “I am not in a position to talk to you,” Soles said by telephone. “I’m right in the middle of an investigation.”
      The Senator, who has made a career of being AGAINST GUN OWNERSHIP for the general public, didn’t hesitate to defend himself with his own gun when he believed he was in immediate danger and he was the victim.
      In the typical hypocritical liberal fashion, the “Do as I say and not as I do” Anti-Gun Activist Lawmaker picked up his gun and took action in what apparently was a self-defense shooting. Why hypocritical you may ask? It is because his long legislative record shows that the actions that he took to protect his family, his own response to a dangerous life threatening situation, are actions that he feels ordinary citizens should NOT HAVE if they were faced with an IDENTICAL situation.
      It has prompted some to ask if the Senator believes his life and personal safety is more valuable than yours or mine.
      But this is to be expected from those who believe they can run our lives, raise our kids and protect our families better than we can.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 3:27pm

      Personally, I’m glad CNN started this debate. Let’s look at the Pennsacola incident and another second one, side-by-side:

      Pennsacola shootings: 1 dead (gunman), none injured. Gunman shot dead by a security guard with a gun.

      Va Tech shootings: 33 dead, 25 injured. Only guns present were the ones the shooter carried. You see, all the law biding citizens were OBEYING A GUN BAN ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES.

      In the first case, a blaitant disregard for attempted murder laws indicates the perpretrators would likely have also had a blaitant disregard for a gun ban. To prove my point, look at the second case, where the VA Tech murderer actually violated one!

      What you see here isn’t what happens when a gun is present to kill. Rather, you see what happens when a gun is present to PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

      Let’s have that debate all day long. It’s a loser for the gun ban Statists.

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    • Docrow
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 4:29pm

      Police show up just in time to outline the body.

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    • ISA124
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 5:53pm

      Right on! you got it

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    • Sinista Mace
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 7:47pm

      If we outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns.

      Think about how many ways that sentence can be interpreted.

      Essentially, everybody with a gun becomes an outlaw….

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    • ozz
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 11:59pm

      The shooter possessed his gun illegally. The one who stopped him had his legally.
      The incident proves laws do not stop law breakers from having guns.
      It also proves law abiders with guns save lives.
      So when is this gun control silliness gonna stop ?

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    • steinie44
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 8:41am

      If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns. Therefor the man would have shot them all, including the security guard.

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    • bjornskis
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 7:36pm

      Doctors
      (A) The number of physicians in the USA is 700,000.
      (B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000.
      (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171
      Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services.

      Now think about this:

      Guns
      (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
      (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
      (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188
      Statistics courtesy of FBI

      So, statistically, doctors are approximately
      9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

      Remember,
      Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.

      FACT:
      NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN,
      BUT almost everyone has at least one doctor.

      This means you are over 9,000 times more likely
      to be killed by a doctor as by a gun owner!!!

      Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
      We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!

      Out of concern for the public at large,
      we withheld the statistics on lawyers
      for fear the shock would cause people to panic
      and seek medical attention!

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    • WVdad
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 11:08pm

      These people cant wait for the prison planet, if you believe that to be a radical statement, by me using the name of a website some believe to be far out there a bit, then think of what these people would need to do to affectively take there “aggressive approach” and tell me what a better statement would be

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    • WVdad
      Posted on December 17, 2010 at 11:10pm

      Leave my guns alone, they are for me to protect my home from wackjobs like and the people you support

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