CNN‘s Zakaria on How Conservatism ’Lost Touch’: GOPers ‘Resemble the Old Marxists Who Refused to Look at Actual Experience’
- Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:18pm by
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In his June 16 Time Magazine column “How Today’s Conservatism Lost Touch with Reality,” CNN’s Fareed Zakaria writes:
“Conservatism is true.” That’s what George Will told me when I interviewed him as an eager student many years ago. His formulation might have been a touch arrogant, but Will’s basic point was intelligent. Conservatism, he explained, was rooted in reality. Unlike the abstract theories of Marxism and socialism, it started not from an imagined society but from the world as it actually exists. From Aristotle to Edmund Burke, the greatest conservative thinkers have said that to change societies, one must understand them, accept them as they are and help them evolve.
Watching this election campaign, one wonders what has happened to that tradition. Conservatives now espouse ideas drawn from abstract principles with little regard to the realities of America’s present or past. This is a tragedy, because conservatism has an important role to play in modernizing the U.S.
Consider the debates over the economy. The Republican prescription is to cut taxes and slash government spending — then things will bounce back. Now, I would like to see lower rates in the context of tax simplification and reform, but what is the evidence that tax cuts are the best path to revive the U.S. economy? Taxes — federal and state combined — as a percentage of GDP are at their lowest level since 1950. The U.S. is among the lowest taxed of the big industrial economies. So the case that America is grinding to a halt because of high taxation is not based on facts but is simply a theoretical assertion. The rich countries that are in the best shape right now, with strong growth and low unemployment, are ones like Germany and Denmark, neither one characterized by low taxes.
Many Republican businessmen have told me that the Obama Administration is the most hostile to business in 50 years. Really? More than that of Richard Nixon, who presided over tax rates that reached 70%, regulations that spanned whole industries, and who actually instituted price and wage controls?
Read the rest of his column here.
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Comments (295)
UpstateNYConservative
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:04pmRealistically, this kind of cognitive dissonance tells me the Left is coming apart somewhere along the line. This is rhetoric so bad it’s basically speaking out of turn–like that bitter old spinster aunt who complains in church about the gown of a new bride.
Pfft!
Report Post »dizzyinthedark
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:01pmWow, this guy is so wrong on so many levels! People still watch him?! Or is he talking to a mirror and that would make it only one person watching–himself! Loser!
Report Post »eramthgin
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:56pmYou know this guy is really such a tool. Question is he really this stupid or does he think everyone else is that stupid?
Report Post »cosette
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:54pmAnother glaring example of why stupidity should be painful!
Report Post »bbhouston
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:53pmOh yea…this is the expert on Republicans shortcomings. He can’t even get the facts straight whether or not he is advising Obama.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnns-fareed-zakaria-now-denies-hes-advising-the-president/
He holds China up as an economic model to be emulated???! What an idiot. Conservatives have begun turning the ship and these guys know they’re in trouble. I just wish they’d all move to one of those beloved countries they are so often trying to model America after. The ones they so often glowingly refer to……
Report Post »Dudley Do-Right
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:53pm“Most government abuse of power is practiced openly, and much of it is heartily approved by The Washington Post editorial board and other such proponents of the good and the fair. But any time the government treats one person differently than another because of the group to which that person belongs – whether it’s a group of rich, special-interest tax dodgers or a group of impoverished, minority job-seekers – individual equality is lessened and freedom is diminished. Any time the government gives away goods and services – even if it gives them away to all people equally – individual dependence is increased and freedom is diminished. Any time the government makes rules about people’s behavior when that behavior does not occasion real and provable harm to others – telling you to buckle your seat belt or forbidding you to publish pornography on the Internet – respect for the individual is reduced and freedom is diminished.”
P.J. O’Rourke
http://www.buildfreedom.com/tribute/o%27rourke/explain.html
Report Post »MrObvious
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:52pmCNN … Nuf said
Report Post »cookcountypatriot
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:45pmanother anti american muslim talking to progressive usefull idiots
Report Post »BobParker2003
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:45pmI find it interesting that this young inexperienced “…student…” never learned anything from George Will. This is a very hostile administration to business. My advise, go back to school Fareed Zakaria and get more conservative teachers not the Marxist teachers at CNN or from where ever you come from. Read the Federalist Papers and the Anti Federalist Papers and the Constitution and learn American history and learn what America really is not what you hope it is.
Report Post »leftylemn
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:44pmOnce again Liberals accuse Conservatives of what they themselves are doing.
Report Post »STAR SPANGLED SPAMMER
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:44pmZakaria!….I would like to see your green card sir! How dare you come to this Country and run you mouth about what American conservatism is? Who do you think you are? Do you own a mirror sir? Surprise! You are not an American. You should be serving me sandwiches and cigarettes at my local ghetto mart or fixing a slurpee machine somewhere. Your not an American sir! Therefore…Keep your mouth shut and your nose out of American Politics. Just tell me about a good curry recipe and then STFU! Zakaria! Go run your mouth in your own homeland. I would worry more about World War III staring in Aug/Sept 2001 in your old country before you sound off here.
(“trust nobody”)
Report Post »Rob
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:43pmMucking Fuslim.
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:34pmThats sofa king haha :D
Report Post »McLintock
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:42pmAhh. One more story that makes me need to pull my cowboy hat down really tight so my head don’t up and explode.
Report Post »slvrserfr
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:40pmBilderberger Zakaria should STFU or admit that him and his elitist party of liberal progressives have lost touch with the American people.
Report Post »bigtarmada
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:39pmLol pot calling the kettle black, anyone?
Report Post »UpstateNYConservative
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:35pmLemme get this straight: Conservatives who love our Constitution and our maximum liberty are now Marxists (like the Democrats and all other liberals) according to Zakaria?
What did this guy do–nail one foot to the floor and run a circle all day?
What?
WHAT??????
Report Post »Oldtexan in support of Israel
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:35pmOn my small business, regulations have doubled. Some I do business with tell me that their’s have tripled. All of this has been since September 1, 2009. It is getting harder and harder just to make a living. Why must our president hate capitalism?
Report Post »ivdad
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:06pmBecause capitalism rewards those that are trying to achieve. You cannot have social justice and redistribution of wealth if you allow achievers to achieve.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:34pmAnother muslim I can’t stand.
Report Post »texanpatriot
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:34pmLet us Americans vote on his position in 2012. I think BO’s “actual experience” will be unemployment.
Report Post »pwatkins
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:31pmThis man never had touch with the US so how would he recognize whose lost touch. He is another Obama following idiot.
Report Post »RightPolitically
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:31pmAnother media cheerleader for Obama and liberalism. Over-regulation is strangling business, the destroyed banking system, caused by government intervention in the mortgage market, can’t loan money and this is a primary reason for a “dead” economy.
Report Post »donh2
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 12:22pmThese statements by Fareed show indeed he is one of Obama’s personal advisors.
Report Post »Tony Sanchez
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:29pmOh jeez! He was wrong right from the getgo. The tax rates in effect are the Bush tax rates that Obama wants to remove. The problem currently isn’t the tax rates, it’s the freaking REGULATIONS!!! Zakaria, your an IDIOT, pay attention! The regulations, that Obama is responsible for, are killing business, not the Bush tax rates. Of course, once Obama raises taxes it’ll be one more nail in the coffin.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:38pmTHANK YOU! You could have tax rates at 10% straight across the board…….but if you load regulations up so high and so deep that companies cannot do business it really doesn’t matter what the tax rates are. Nothing says NO JOBS like an administration full of academics who have never had a real job!!!!
Report Post »tangonine
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:28pmWife and I went into Village Inn for breakfast last week and they had this idiot on the overhead TV. We pointed and laughed, and everyone in the restaurant applauded.
Report Post »Lewser.
the hawk
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 12:20amThats a great stORY !
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on June 21, 2011 at 11:26amThat was a good story. Others may feel the same way we do, but afraid to make waves. I let any place I go know I don’t approve of their leftist leaning news programs. Get FOX or I leave, or pick another simple minded game program.
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:26pmI NEVER watch this guy
He’s related to SPOOKY Dude
Say NO to BO in 2012
Report Post »frustratedwithgovt
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:03pmNOBO2012 – lol – I like it.
Report Post »Bluebonnet
Posted on June 21, 2011 at 11:23amIt’s a shame so many are willing to sell their souls to the infidels for a few coins. Yeah, he’s a moderately pretty face, but he’s leaning so far left, I expect him to fall off that chair. Wise up idiot or go the way of other idiot CNN types who couldn’t make it with their lefty charm to please the spooky dude.
Report Post »nappy
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:23pm“Many Republican businessmen have told me that the Obama Administration is the most hostile to business in 50 years. Really?”
Yes. Really idiot. They told you that didn’t they? Are you incapable of looking at the “actual experience”?
Freeeeed. Wake up and smell the coffee!
Report Post »Revere1
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:29pmThe Dems need to pay attention to what the Republicans are actually saying, not what the Dems wish they were saying. http://www.elephantwatcher.com/2011/06/who-won-republican-debate-on-june-13th.html
Report Post »Rational Man
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:31pmWouldn’t it be something if CNN had anyone who actually knew what the heck they were talking about?…..What ridiculous statements! Now I know why the people that only listen to CNN are so messed up in their thinking and have all of their ‘facts’ wrong!
Report Post »boxy
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:35pm“Consider the debates over the economy. The Republican prescription is to cut taxes and slash government spending — then things will bounce back. Now, I would like to see lower rates in the context of tax simplification and reform, but what is the evidence that tax cuts are the best path to revive the U.S. economy?”
Hey dummy that is only half the issue. Lower taxes gives businesses some breathing room and initiative to work here. The other half is cutting Federal spending DRASTICALLY to the point that we don’t need those extra taxes. We all know your not stupid Fareed you are just pushing your agenda.
Report Post »NOKOOLAIDDRINKER
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:42pmI watched about 2 minutes of this marxist kool-aid drinker’s dillusional rant against conservatives and started yelling at the TV. I had to change the channel or blow a blood vessel! What an idiot!!! But the dumba$$es who relgiously watch him will drink up his lies!
TEA!!!
Report Post »Rice Water
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:50pmHis name is “Fareed”.
Case. Closed.
Report Post »NOKOOLAIDDRINKER
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:51pmAlso, on second thought his lies are just part of their playbook. Repeat the lies over and over and continue them from every source— the propaganda continues and will intensify the closer to the 2012 election. The “dumbed-down” voters who never learned to think for themselves will also never understand what’s being done to them.
GOD HELP US ALL!
Report Post »hersey10
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:54pmHero of the stupid .
Report Post »frustratedwithgovt
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:54pmIf the lib‘s only understood that money goes where its treated best they might understand how Obama’s policies are anti business. You only have to look at Texas vs California to see the difference. Heck, even that new Battle of LA flick was made in Louisiana because the tax breaks were better and less restrictive.
Report Post »sriser1
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:57pmThese people are delusional…
Report Post »GONESURFING
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 3:58pmFareed is just another clueless liberal hack on CNN.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:14pmback in the early 1960s, historian Carroll Quigley did extensive research for his encyclopedic Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time. Tragedy and Hope recounted, in over 1,300 tightly-written pages of small print, the gradual rise to power of a small cadre of extremely wealthy and powerful individuals. Many were products of wealthy bloodlines. Some were bankers; others began in other industries but got into banking because that was where the real power was. They operated mostly behind the scenes, not as national political elites but as an international elite – or superelite. For them, natural borders and loyalties were increasingly meaningless. Much has been written about the Rothschilds who discovered in the late 1700s that it was possible for bankers to get rich by loaning money to governments, extending the loans encouraging government to become dependent on them, attaching provisions to the extensions calling for specific policies, and then tallying up the interest. Other such bloodlines would soon follow (the Rockefellers and Morgans here in the US).
Report Post »So-called conspiracy theorists have written extensively of organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, founded in 1921, the Trilateral Commission, founded in 1973, and the European Bilderberg Group (which, interestingly, has no home page of its own) as having the same goal: the creation of a world government with themselves at the helm.http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates14.html
tower7femacamp
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:14pmhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates14.html
Report Post »michael48
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:19pmwho is this twit???? sounds a lot like Barry…don‘t have a clue where they’re from…who they are, or WHERE THEY’RE AT…
Report Post »seeker9
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:20pmThink I just saw a BHO reelection campaign ad. Cherry picked data points and all the usual twisted pretzel logic.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:23pmAlinsky at it’s best .. accuse others of what you yourself are doing .. Marxist ??? The Marxists I see are in and around the White House and the President himself. I see the MSM is going to continue to do the Obama bidding. We must continue to speak the truth to LIES >> WE SURROUND THEM!
TEA!
Report Post »cheezwhiz
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:29pmbut what is the evidence that tax cuts are the best path to revive the U.S. economy?
Report Post »—————–
Its easy to criticize whatever the other side says.
How about this you sick moosie :
Why don’t you prove that increasing taxes is the best path to revive the US economy. And provide examples in favor of your argument too.
GadsdenPatriot
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:33pmIf Farjihadeed would actually LEARN about the founding of our nation instead of trying to push a one world Islamic government you can clearly see that conservatives are a direct product of the Founding Fathers’ principles. That’s also why those on the left HATE the FF. It is in fact the left that have lost touch to the point they have the exact opposite values as our FF. As a matter of fact, if it us who have lost touch, why then did Obama run on changing the fundamentals of the US? The answer is obvious. Leftists are nothing more than traitors and they need to be legally executed or imprisoned depending on the severity of their offense! Please start with George Soros.
Report Post »click_name_4_impeachment
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:46pm2+2=5, 2+2=5, 2+2=5, 2+2=5…..Deal with it!!
Report Post »last frontier
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:49pmHe is a modern day TOKYO ROSE. she was wrong and so is CNN!
Report Post »Sicboy
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 4:54pmTHIS MAN IS Brilliant. Our whole system is wrong, “well now days it is” but thats another topic. We need to get with the rest of the world, especially china. This is how we start. 1st 100% taxation. 2nd, all you God love’n, gun wear’n Jesus Freaks to the work camps. Your holding us back. We can get free labor and organs from you.We should be more like china, when their Govt makes a decision its done, the next day. Bang your dead, get it? Us Conservatives “not including rick perry” have lost or way. How sad, we oppose every spending project our Govt wants to waste money on. Thats bad, because the Govt is full of honorable people and they know whats good for them, “Us” i mean. And we need to get with the program, or get snuffed out. OFF WITH YOUR HEADS.
Report Post »Sinista MACE
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:02pmRemember, this clown regularly advises Poorbama.
Report Post »watchmany2k
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:05pmThe two people watching him will get what he’s saying.
They consider themselves neo-marxists, and comparing the GOP to the old russian polit bureau.
See they know that they can do it better than all the other times it has been tried. Their perfesser said so…
Low taxes does nothing on it’s own, You need to stop SPENDING.
You need to delete the EPA breathing down everybodys neck.
you need to reverse the “service” based market to a production based market.
you need to reverse tort law, how can ANYone produce a widget when there are 200 obama voters
looking to cash in by misuseing it, ingesting it, putting it up somewhere it shouldn’t, or having their cash-child do it ? Look at the rediculous safety lables, look at the recalls recently of cribs.
So we are currently a service based economy in a world short on cash, brilliant.
No manufacturing, chased out by oppressive regulation and labor laws
Most importantly we have a federal reserve printing virtual trillions for those countries he mentions, central banks ! The fed has sucked the equity out of everything we own, including tangible property.
The U.S. is one great big I.O.U.
We the people are partly to blame for that as we let them do it for so long.
Report Post »I love that the TEA party congress has put their foot down on the debt ceiling.
LET it default.
Then reign in spending, cut it to bare bones, the lame Govt. entities will halt with no funding
that is after they deplete the billions if not trillions
Jezcruzen
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:17pmHey, its a muslim thing. You wouldn’t understand.
This POS is a prime example of muslim-think coupled with the opportunity handed to him by a marxist news network to put his face on national cable TV.
Hey, Fareeeeed, when was the last time you and Barry had a twosome?
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:18pmRon Paul won the Republican Leadership Conference straw poll by a landslide in New Orleans Saturday.
In a big win for the Congressman from Texas, he nearly doubled the tally of the second place candidate — Jon Hunstman, the former Governor of Utah.
The top four vote getters were: Rep. Ron Paul (612 votes), Jon Huntsman (382 votes), Rep. Michele Bachmann (191 votes), and Herman Cain (104 votes).
None of the other candidates (Romney, Palin, Gingrich, Pawlenty, Santorum, Johnson, Roemer) garnered above 100 votes.
As for the poll itself, delegates at the convention were asked, “If the primary election for president were held today, for whom would you vote?”
Report Post »http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7923-ron-paul-wins-rlc-straw-poll-in-a-landslide
Hope for a new Dawn ….
longhorn mama
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:26pmWe deny reality?!? The Left accuses us of whatever they are actually doing. It is their Modus Operandi.
Report Post »gotta light
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:30pmSee Fareed Zakaria.
See Fareed Zakaria at work.
See Fareed Zakaria at work not for CNN but for NoMomma Obama.
See Fareed Zakaria not tell the truth.
See Fareed Zakaria Lie.
Lie Fareed Zakaria Lie!
Hey bud gotta light?
Report Post »Pujols
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:31pmZakaria has ’Lost Touch’ with being a Human. He’s best friend is a Marxist.
Report Post »gotta light
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:32pmDoes Fareed have a tapeworm?
He sure looks like he could use some protein in his diet….
Hey bud gotta light?
Report Post »kNOwKINGsmen
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:38pmHe is awake. He is the Sandman
Report Post »chazman
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 5:49pmYou just crossed my line, you Muslim creep! Conservatives, young and old, are going to guard this Republic of ours against the likes of you at all costs, including the expense of your life if need be. We will guard against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, and let it be known that this is a country founded by Christians and based on a foundation of Christian principles, first and foremost! If you are a Muslim and you can’t live with that, then you better get out! Otherwise, behave yourselves and keep your Godless mouths shut!
Report Post »BConstitutional
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 6:33pmWOW..CNN the new NPR revised for TV
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 6:34pmWatch out, the full court press from the MSM is picking up steam. They are in a bind: gas prices throgh the roof, still engaged in two and a half wars, unempolyment on the rise, economy in the sewer, Americas stuck with a healthcare plan they did not want, sodomites about to get turned lose on our military. They got to figure out a way to sell their glory boy to America for four more years. It is one tough sale to make, but they will go down swinging until election day. If he loses, it will not be due to him being one of the wors presidents in America’s history, it will be because of racism/
Report Post »BoiseBaked
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 6:37pmI think Zakaria is confused about who is the old Marxist refusing to look at history. Try about 95% of the democrats who look to the government for their piece of the American dream. Give me a break. Zakaria, take a look around you idiot – your idealism is sinking around you. It‘s to bad I’m stuck on the same ship as you clowns.
Report Post »avenger
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 6:41pmI can hardly wait for 11/2012. we are coming for you zakaria/whatever.. http://thereligionofpeace.com
Report Post »AOL_REFUGEE
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 6:43pmWhen Fareed asked the Wizard for a brain, Oz must have taken a dump in his head.
Report Post »red1
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 6:49pmThis is why we need limited government. Big government will neccessarily contain many idiots like Zakaria who wish to tell the rest of us what to do.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 7:00pmI watched his show live today and heard him make all of these startling claims even saying that America needs a way of changing its Constitution such as by referendum in order to do away with the electoral college process.. I was stunned considering that we already have a means of changing our Constitution and it’s not through referendums.
From my perspective this is nothing short of treason and it’s pushed 24/7 on their Media. What we are witnessing is nothing but sickening. We will have to fight for our Constitution if we intend to keep it and it will be a bloody revolution. There’s simply going to be no way around it… In the meantime GB is right about organizing.. Organize your families your communities and your cities.
Report Post »starman70
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 7:54pmAnd what else could you expect from CNN: The Communist News Network
Report Post »BoiseBaked
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 7:59pmZakaria, don’t confuse conservatism with republicans.
Report Post »mils
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 8:30pmRemember this is Obama’s confidant.
Report Post »..so take his words against conservatives with a whole box of salt…
seeker9
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 8:45pm@techengineer11
Got to agree with you on that. Did he say what parts of the Constitution he would change? Scary how these jerks think they are intelligent enough to come up with a new government. Fareed, Obama.. just can’t envision them as “founding fathers”.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 8:48pmFareed Zakaria said,
“Conservatism used to be a hard-headed set of ideas rooted in reality.”
The transition of which he speaks is one from the Progressive leaning (go figure), big government Conservatism of the current GOP to the free market Conservatism, quite ANTI-Progressive (read: anti-Marxist) Conservatism of America’s Founders.
A common mistake made by the Left is to equate principles with blind ideology, rather than seeing them as derived from logic and observation. Interestingly, their own criticism is proof that they themselves have a set of principles they use to examine the ideas of the Right – so their argument is internally inconsistent.
At any rate, the Constitution as our Founders wrote it IS a hard-headed set of ideas rooted in reality, and in an earlier post I responded to Zakaria’s claim that the Right is not interested in best practices by pointing to Federalist Papers #10, which, as I said, is all about best practices.
Zakaria makes a big deal out of the difference between an “imagined society” verses “the world as it actually exists”, but, again, one would have to have an idea of how society is supposed to work in order to know what to do with the world as it actually exists, and so here his argument commits suicide, as well – he has an imagined society of his own.
(For the future, this argument is just a clever way of saying “derive no principles from observation” and “ignore history”.)
(continued on next post)
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 8:50pm(continued from prior post)
Fareed Zakaria said,
“The Republican prescription is ‘Cut taxes, slash government spending, then things will always bounce back’. I would like to see lower tax rates in the context of simplification and reform, but what is the actual evidence that massive tax cuts are the single best path to revive the US economy.”
First and foremost, Zakaria misunderstands a key aspect of government as it relates to the economy, which is that the government is the RESULT of an already existing economy. So the economy always comes prior to government; Indeed the government would not exist were it not for the funding from taxes.
Another key aspect of government Zakaria misunderstands is that government has no interest beyond the protection of each individuals’ inalienable rights; And America’s Founders understood that an interstate Constitutional representative Republic with a limited Federal government was the best way to preserve a government derived from the consent of the governed, because, as they noted in the Federalist Papers:
(continued on next post)
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 8:51pm(continued from prior post)
Federalist Papers #48
http://constitution.org/fed/federa48.htm
“The founders of our republics have so much merit for the wisdom which they have displayed, that no task can be less pleasing than that of pointing out the errors into which they have fallen.
“A respect for truth, however, obliges us to remark, that they seem never for a moment to have turned their eyes from the danger to liberty from the overgrown and all-grasping prerogative of an hereditary magistrate, supported and fortified by an hereditary branch of the legislative authority.
“They seem never to have recollected the danger from legislative usurpations, which, by assembling all power in the same hands, must lead to the same tyranny as is threatened by executive usurpations.”
…
“… in a representative republic, where the executive magistracy is carefully limited; both in the extent and the duration of its power;
“and where the legislative power is exercised by an assembly, which is inspired, by a supposed influence over the people, with an intrepid confidence in its own strength; which is sufficiently numerous to feel all the passions which actuate a multitude, yet not so numerous as to be incapable of pursuing the objects of its passions, by means which reason prescribes;
“it is against the enterprising ambition of this department that the people ought to indulge all their jealousy and exhaust all their precautions.”
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Posted on June 19, 2011 at 8:52pm(continued from prior post)
As for his challenge with regard to tax cuts, it first may be worth noting, as an aside, that he may be deliberately confusing the issues of shrinking the deficit and reviving the economy; I can’t say for sure that he is, but at the very least, this gives me an opportunity to clear any confusion that may exist.
Suffice it to say that reducing tax cuts without cutting government spending will not shrink the deficit.
It is definitely worth noting that the economy is not an entity in its own rite, such that it can be managed without violating individual inalienable rights – another mistake commonly made by the Left – but rather is a name given to nationally aggregated transaction data; The significance being that it is the individual valuations of goods and services which make the economy what it is.
This being the case, it cannot be overstated to someone like Zakaria, who holds government to be an economic player, that the mark of a healthy and growing economy is not full employment, per se, but rather how much freedom each citizen has in trading his goods and services.
Now, cutting taxes ALWAYS grows the economy in any given economy, relative to an otherwise identical economy with higher taxes – the proof being that lower taxes means greater wealth for the individual both for personal consumption and for trade; which should really go without saying.
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Posted on June 19, 2011 at 8:53pm(continued from prior post)
Of course, attempting to regulate the economy (Corporatism, subsidies, “anti”-trust legislation, environmentalism, and forced Unionization, for example) will have a deleterious effect on the economy no matter how low or high taxes are.
The proof of the greater benefits (by far) of laissez-faire over central planning has been provided by John Stossel in his examination of the Tragedy of the Commons.
See here:
Stossel Show – The Tragedy Of The Commons! (Part 1/4)
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random357
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 9:33pmOne more example of “pot kettle black”
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 9:38pmInteresting Zakaria used Marxist as examples of Old,Stogy,inflexible and backward looking Instead of looking to his Left and then Right during Friday night Prayers for examples.
Report Post »thepatriotdave
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 10:07pmFareed is the perfect example of a leftist loser. Why oh why, do these people insist on living in a country they despise so much? I suggest one more stimulus program, and I dare say it would be the most useful program our government ever enacted. We spend 20 Billion dollars to pay for moving expenses for as many liberal/progressive/marxist/democrats as possible and move them to the most Marxist-like country on earth, but on one condition… they must give up their USA citizenship as soon as they are out of country. I would be willing to go into debt for this program. The payback would be huge and the rewards almost instantaneous.
http://www.AMillionGoWest.com – Help us get 1 million signatures on a petition that asks Allen West to run for President in 2012.
Report Post »jeffyfreezone
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 10:09pmI have not seen CNN since Crossfire was on there.
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 10:50pmCNN‘s Zakaria … his first name is “Al”, right?
Report Post »AmericanSince1619
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 11:06pmOh Really.
Let’s see Marxism is just socialism with the state owning the businesses. Socialist/progressives/liberals all follow the same economic policies since they are all the same with different labels. So how are conservatives like Marxists?
“Refuse to look at actual experience”
The liberal/progressive/socialist policies of the of the 1910s and 1930s where the government taxed and tried to spend its way out of economic depression didn’t work. It was the following republican administrations that cut taxes and spending that allowed the economy to recover.
Seems it’s the liberals/progressives/socialists who refuse to look at actual experience to see what didn’t fix the economy in the past.
It was FDR’s economic head that after seven years of taxing and spending like mad on projects like the WPA that said he was baffled why the policies were not working.
This is just as idiotic, untrue and offensive as the palestinians comparing Israel to the nazis.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 11:39pmThe Libs don’t want CARE, La Raza and Acorn to be underfunded………….
Report Post »Q) when did this terrorist like conservatives?
A) the ones that were around long before he born
Send him back to the PLO
the hawk
Posted on June 19, 2011 at 11:55pmPIONT is when taxes were 70% you could pay for a house,car,& food with the 30% !
Report Post »But these economic magicians have fix that ! now you cant !
seeker9
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 12:49amThis is usually below me, BUT, think what Germany and Denmark could accomplish with low tax rates! The rest of the world could benefit from free market capitalism. America is still the most prosperous country in the world. Why would any SANE person think copying European socialism for the US will improve the US? Greece, Ireland, Portugal, France, Italy, Spain. Yeah, sure. America should strive to be like them! Good Lord! Give me a break!
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 1:43amand how would you know, Zacharia. I‘ll bet BIG bucks you’ve done NOTHING to support the U.S. Shut your pie hole,,,,,,you’re nothing but a “fluffer.”
Report Post »paperpushermj
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 1:48am@Hawk
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FYI Nobody payed 70% at that time, I was their and you would have to be delusional if you really think anyone with a brain payed any thing near that rate. It was the day of the tax shelter.
PATTY HENRY
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 1:53amI’m NOTING that the new TALKING POINTS for the MARXISTS DEMS are to try to paint GOP/TEA PARTY PATRIOTS with that brush. Another thread had almost every liberal in town writing on it and every statement they made was a pure opposite of fact…as in totally ignoring the truth… totally trying to run down REAGAN. THEIR new talking points are to try to convince those who aren’t aware that the PUBS are the ISOLATIONISTS; MARXISTS; RADICALS…. BE ALERT and keep telling the truth. THEY can’t handle the truth.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 2:59amThey present this guy like he’s some kind of smart guy or what? I dont see it!
Report Post »To think mr. president is seaking his consel is scarey dude !
mikem1969
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 8:29amZakaria the ones that have lost touch or as I see are touched in the head are the libs and progressives who have failed to learn from history by design. History has proven that under liberal progressive (government rule) the people are enslaved, abused, murdered, and starved to death. Under conservative (constitutional rule where the people have the power) The people are free and thrive. Either get in touch or STFU.
Report Post »Ashley
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 8:57amZakaria, like all of the Liberal MSM, choose to write narratives that are totally fiction. This guy is proving to be one of the biggest offenders to our Constitutution and the Western way of life. It is the Progressive Communists Socialist Liberals who are out-of-touch with America and our values. Zakaria needs to join the rest of the “rats” and leave our country; especially, since they seem to loathe us so much.
Report Post »DieBambi
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 9:14amIf only the media had looked at obama’s “Actual Experience”
Report Post »Rice Water
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 9:37amWhat, exactly, is a “Goper”? A half-gopher, half…person?
As always, A+ journalism, Blaze!
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 10:04amUS personal income tax may be lower. US coorporate taxes are one of the highest. The fact that he fails to mention this when referring to business is witness to either his bias or incompetence. You decide which. And, on top of those taxes, we have far more regulations…. expensive regulations. Again, the fact that Zakaria fails to mention this fact, that practically any businessman with any international experience would have told him….
Price of a modern IC fab in the US: $4 Billion…. same fab pretty much anywhere else: $3 Billion. And only $100 Million of that increased cost is from higher wages, the rest is higher taxes and far higher regulation costs. Intel would be crazy to build any new fabs here and it’s a similar situation for other companies that have a choice of whether or not to expand here or elsewhere.
And they wonder why we’ve quit watching CNN, MSNBC, etc. Who is more out of touch with reality: the right who are calling for deregulation and lower corporate taxes or Obama who refuses to let us drill for oil when gas is $4/gallon?
Report Post »sWampy
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 10:12ambut what is the evidence that tax cuts are the best path to revive the U.S. economy?
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Every time we have cut taxes revenue has gone up, not most of the times, not some of the times, not a few times, but every time. We had proof in the 20′s before idiots took over raised taxes, and caused the great depression. We had proof in the 60′s when we cut taxes and revenue went up. We had proof under Reagan, when we cut taxes revenue went up. There have been several studies that all came to the same conclusion, anytime you put a tax rate at a level above 20-30%, the rate of cheating increases at a rate greater than the extra income generated by the higher rate, to generate extra revenue, you have to increase enforcement to a level that in the end you spend so much in enforcement costs that over all revenue goes down.
Report Post »Unix
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 10:48amThis guy cracks me up, what the hell does he know what a Conservative is, much less what an American is, the foreigner should move back to the sandlot whence he came – mullah head.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 10:55amer, nice SELECTIVE statistics.
We may be the “GROSS” lowest taxed, but that is because 45% of us don’t pay any income taxes!
If you look at our capital gains taxes, taxes on foreign earnings, etc., we are among the HIGHEST.
The article quotes our EFFECTIVE rate – a %age of GDP, which is a function of COLLECTED taxes – that has nothing to do with RATES – the socialist democrat people only want the conservatives to pay taxes. They want their socialist democrat voting base to get a free ride. NON-taxation WITH representation is the SAME as taxation without representation.
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 10:58amOh, and the Regan deficit CRAP – Regan INCREASED revenues – it was the DEMOCRAT congress that spent at THREE TIMES the rate of his cuts that caused the DEFICIT!! They committed to cutting dollar-for-dollar the spending as he cut taxes. THEY LIED. THEY SPENT THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS HE CUT.
THE SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT people caused that deficit. Then they blame Regan? That is BULL-CRAP! They know it, and we know it.
Report Post »MontyRay
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 12:42pmFareed is purposely distorting the facts. He even has the wrong tax charts. When it comes to job creation, the conservatives are calling for corporate tax reduction and reform. Instead, he puts up a total individual tax rate chart. The truth is China’s corporate tax rate is 10% below ours, Canada is 15% below ours, and Germany is 5% below ours. (his examples, not mine).
However, I didn’t hear him talk about human conditions in China, communism, the state of the Euro, or the fact that Canada has taken a conservative turn in their government and that it directly correlates to their impressive growth…but I digress.
It is a common tactic of the left today to tie conservatism to Bush and his policies. Bush did what he had to do, and he is a good man. Unfortunately, tax breaks don’t do much if your spending ends up overwhelming it. That was his problem. 9/11, Medicare Part D, No child left behind didn’t help the cause.
Let’s not forget that the economy started really tanking under a Democrat spendaholic Congress. And lastly, can anyone just slightly bring up the Dodd/Frank mess as a huge issue in the fall of the housing market??? It’s like pulling teeth to get the media to cover how regulation and their legislation to “get everyone a home” spurred this irresponsible activity lending companies took part in.
Report Post »Instead, we get to live in the alternate reality Fareed lives in. Perhaps that woolly head of his will learn something soon.
Morris
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 5:07pmZakaria,If your Muslim A$$,Don,t like America,OR Our American way of life,OR if you don,t like The Constitution Of The United States Of America,Well you just get the hell out of our America,!!
Report Post »Go the hell back to what ever SH–,HO–,Muslim Country you were born in!!
Just listened to your CNN news flash for 1-MIN,AND NOW KNOW WHY i HAVE NOT WATCHED CNN,
FOR THE LAST 3-years,You are a MARXIST SOB,You are another RAGE HEAD,OUT TO TRY TO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
Please get the hell out of our America,Take your SHARIA-LAW,your KORAN,and your Barbaric Cult Religion
BU– SH–, WITH YOU!!!
The Washington Dc “POLITICAL CORRECTNESS’,is for A$$ HO–ES like you that are trying to change our Republic our America!!!
Dictator Barack Hussein Obama and his Mexican-Muslim Loving Administration,Will not destroy our American way of life,So take your skinney Muslim A$$ back to were ever you came from,“GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR AMERICA”!!!!!!!
TO CNN—How in the Hell can you keep a person like this on your payroll,I guess that CNN is now a MARXIST,Anti-American,Muslim Loving news station,CNN go to HELL also!!!!!!
BlazingBlonde
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 8:11pmInside out
Upside down
We must help other Americans understand what is going on, and why it is going on.
Ask a leftist if they are a red blooded American patriot? Do they love America and apple pie?
Ask them if they answer yes, ask them why they support “Fundamentally changing” America into somthing else, other than the very things that made America great.
Constitution Day is coming… make sure you have a wonderful event in your town where you can reach the kids and share with them the great news about Freedom and Liber-Tea!
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on June 20, 2011 at 10:52pmi love how people just say, “well at least i’m not dead yet” .. ya know.. as they are chopping your legs off.. seriously?
Report Post »WeDontNeedNoStinkingBadges
Posted on June 21, 2011 at 2:28am“CNN‘s Zakaria”
Does this man look like a suicide bomber? (Inquiring people want to know.)
Report Post »Longshot35
Posted on June 21, 2011 at 5:52amIts funny how Fareed completely glossed over the need to cut spending. . . And I would ardently suggest that he Google China’s Ghost Cities before using that despicable dictatorship as a good example for anything related to a growing economy!
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