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‘I Do’: CO Senate Hopeful Buck Says Being Gay is a Choice

On the heels of New York gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino’s (R) comments about gays last week, and the recent “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” ruling, the “gay” question is becoming a staple in GOP interviews.

David Gregory asked it of Colorado Senate hopeful Ken Buck (R) this morning on “Meet the Press.” Buck wasn’t ashamed to say what he thought, but did seem a little surprised by the follow-up:

Buck bases his opinion on the idea that we all have a choice regarding our partners, but did concede that birth could play a small role in determining one’s orientation just as it can with alcoholism.

Gregory was sure to give Buck’s opponent Sen. Michael Bennet, who appeared alongside Buck, a softball follow-up: “That put him [Buck] outside the mainstream of views on this?”

According to RealClearPolitics, Buck leads Bennet by an average of two points.

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  • tobywil2
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:56pm

    The “Wannabe Tyrant” will publicize the irrelevant using their “preponderance of the propaganda” to avoid a discussion of the issues. Pay no attention to the smokescreen.

    The only relevant issue is freedom or tyranny!!!!

    http://commonsense21c.com/

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  • Capt_Spalding
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:53pm

    What gets me is when folks are looking for work that’s not there, losing houses at an alarming rate, schools bowing down to the demands of teachers unions and kids “graduating” stupid, our borders are pathetic and the rest of the world is laughing at us…. and the top issue for some people is how two same sex folks ended up in bed together? Seriously???!!!! How frickin’ insulting to those of us trying to get by in these effed-up times.

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    • RobertCA
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:06pm

      Agreed 100%

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    • Eric-n-OTown
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:35pm

      You know what? You are absolutely correct… In the grand scheme of things, this is a non-issue. Unfortunately for a lot of selfish individuals out there, though, this is the ONLY issue. Let‘s hope that there’s a great deal of open outrage on this social issue, but private policy support for the Republican party (and more specifically, the Tea Party candidates) come November.

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    • TumbleBumble
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:57pm

      I guess what you all don’t understand is that we cannot disconnect ourselves from God.

      A woman in my family once told me that yes, she believes in God and reads her bible but when it comes to voting, she leaves Him on the other side of the curtain.

      That is what you are asking Christians to do. It is not a matter of voting on what you consider to be the most important issue of the day. Our hearts must follow Christ because He abides there.

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    • trycommonsense
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 4:26pm

      Exactly Capt.. Elections should be based on the best person to serve we the people, the best interest of the people and our country, not the special interests of activists. This country is in serious trouble if we continue the mindset of the current administration. Vote with your wallet, future and security in mind, not sexual lifestyle.

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  • phlogiston
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:46pm

    Who cares if monsieur Buck thinks it is a choice or not. I don‘t think the government should be tellin’ people who they can sleep or fall in love with. I’m angry too, Carl! Angry about hypocrisy and triple standards, lol!

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    • HippoNips
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:02pm

      No one is trying to tell you who to love or not. You are repeating idiotic notions.

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  • mikermc
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:46pm

    Wow, I am blinded by the ignorance on here. This is exactly why the Republicans and Tea Party have the reputation they have. As a homosexual I can honestly say it was not my choice to be gay. I don’t know if it is a “born that way” issue or the way I was raised although more scientific studies keep showing that the connection of the amygdala and the connection of the anterior commisure in the brain has alot to do with it. Either way, I kept trying to be straight and would give my left arm to be straight, but given the fact I’m not attracted to women, It’s just not possible. Despite this fact I still vote for Republicans because of my economic beliefs. I just wish they would be for smaller government in all phases, economical AND SOCIAL!!!

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:43pm

      we are for smaller government in economic AND SOCIAL. we dont want to tell you how to live, but more importantly WE DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT EITHER……………KEEP IT TO YOURSELF just like i keep my bedroom interests to my self …………..why does the left want to shout out there bedroom issues is beyond me, other than they want to make an issue about it

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    • mikermc
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:20pm

      Hardly anyone knows that I am gay. The same goes from most of my gay friends. We don’t discuss it with other people beacuse of people like you. That is the reason so many gay teens commit suicide. It is still not “acceptable” to be out of the closet for most of us. And yes you do share your bedroom interests in public if you’ve ever held hands with someone in public or walk around with a child……how else do you make a child if you don’t have heterosexual sex. When you have a child, you are flaunting your heterosexuality in OUR FACES!!!

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 10:22pm

      im sorry if your offended by parents having children…………..wait no i not. im so tired of the pc crap . less than one half of one percent of the us population is “gay” there is no “large population of gays, unless your in california or new york, and you have the same “rights” as any other human. quit riding the coattails of those who were really not allowed rights in the past ie blacks, indians, women .

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    • mikermc
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 12:06am

      Psychosis…..what a perfect name for yourself.

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    • The Giver
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:17am

      MIKERMC, It does look like you are blinded. Every child out there that you see, technically was conceived by an egg and a sperm, but to ASSUME that the couple is flaunting their heterosexuality by having a child is a joke. That child could’ve been adopted or just a relative. My uncle fathered three children with his wife before he told her he was gay. Maybe he wanted people to know he had heterosexual sex. But heterosexuals are not trying to prove they have heterosexual sex. Of course there are always some nuts jobs out there. Maybe you ran into a couple of them. Good Luck.

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    • Atheist
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 10:19pm

      If you people think that heterosexuals don’t flaunt their sex lives, then must not have ever worked in a factory or anywhere with a bunch of dudes.

      All we ever talked about at the FedEx distribution center was sex, girls we had sex with, and the craziest sexual things we would do for $10,000.

      Tolerance means being uncomfortable sometimes. Sorry if that means that you have to hear about or watching some dudes kiss. You can be annoyed if they are doing it in your face, but too bad, deal with it.

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  • Eric-n-OTown
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:44pm

    There are differing opinions on whether or not an individual is born gay, but for all intents-and-purposes it doesn’t matter. To say that a person is born with homicidal tendencies doesn’t make it OK for that person to kill another person, even if that other person wants to die. It’s still murder, plain-and-simple. Ask Dr. Khorvorkian (sp?). To say what happens behind closed doors, and/or between consenting adults is a cop-out. Wrong is wrong, and homosexual behavior is immoral. Why? in its most simplest form, it prohibits the continuation of the species. From a Christian point-of-view, God prohibits the act, and is one of the reasons that led to the demise of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    More specifically to the point about it being a lifestyle choice, that is exactly what it is. If a person believes that they are only attracted to the same sex there‘s very little you can do about that if they don’t want to change. They can, however, choose to live a lifestyle that does not openly flaunt their homosexuality, live a life of abstinence (not all people with an attraction to children act on it), and seek the help of others with the same feelings in how to cope with those feelings and live a normal life.

    The most important issue, though, is that these people are a friends, neighbors, and for many, relatives. They are individuals who deserve our love and support, but that does not mean that we must condone their behavior. It simply means that we must do as we are commanded: love them, and be there for them in their time of need. We must stand for our convictions if we want the continued grace of God bestowed on our Nation, but we must also show love and compassion to receive the same.

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    • Atheist
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 10:13pm

      Man, I love this argument. First, you want to apply your religion on to other people’s lives. Then you realize how that argument isn’t good enough, because not everyone believes in the same make-believe that you do.

      So you try to justify it by being immoral. How is it immoral? Because “it prohibits the continuation of the species.” That is your only argument for why it is immoral. You then, laughably, go on to suggest they become abstinent. WHICH ALSO PROHIBITS THE CONTINUATION OF THE SPECIES.

      How is homosexuality immoral and abstinence not under your definition?

      Other things that prevent the continuation of the species:
      Masturbation.
      Condoms.
      Oral Sex.
      Or basically any type of sex that does not end with the someone getting pregnant.

      Again, this is all immoral under yours and god’s moral code.

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  • HippoNips
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:44pm

    I’m gay and I can assure everyone that I was not born that way.
    Unlike most people , my earliest fully recallabe memories start at the age of 1 year. I remember everything since that time. Certain experiences that were probably not noticable to the adults around me, created emotional distress for me as it related to my parents and own developing self, that coupled later with having access, prior to 5 years, to my fathers secret straight porn collection set the stage. Upon that and later in my childhood, the disfunctional emotional relationship with my parents (who are not bad nor conciously did anything odd) brought me to the next step to my sexual orientation. I felt outcast in my own family, unloved by my mother )even though she did love me)and unnoticed by my father….neither are anti gay then or now.
    Not that their is “blame” to be passed around, life just happens sometimes.
    Oh and we were Catholic, but never was sex every brought up in Sunday school, just the Jesus loves everyone thing.
    Do your kids a favor….NO adult nudity during at least the first 5 years of life you might think it‘s natural but it isn’t to a developing mind, NO PORN around the house — it really does leave a lasting and detrimental effect, and whatever you do make sure you tell them that you love them ALOT and that they are wanted.not just tolerated .

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    • Buckaroo
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:05pm

      Thank you for sharing something very personal yet very helpful in the discussion.

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    • firedragon
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:14pm

      you seem to be a very honest , sweet person thank you for sharing those things i did child protection for 3 yrs. & probation/parole 15. I had a lot of gay straight, bi’s & drag queen winners come in my office . I do understand w/o going into details they shared so much with me so thanks for sharing your story it helps folks to understand.

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    • docwillie
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 9:44pm

      I never heard an explanation of how you went from being straight to gay? Im not sure you were ever straight. How would you know? My son never had any negative experiences like you and he’s gay. He simply said he never was attracted to women. Its what Ive heard from most gay people Ive met, and probably you too. Sounds like you dont like yourself very much and would benefit from therapy. Being gay is not as bad as you think. Please get help.

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    • CommunismSurvivor
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 10:05pm

      I will second Buckaroo’s reply, and add another thing that should NEVER be witnessed by a young child: the “natural” birth of a sibling. No matter how “natural”, a young child is simply not ready to see their mom screaming in pain with blood-covered baby coming out from between her legs.

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    • Speak without Fear
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 11:05pm

      Thank-you very much for your honest and candid comment. I believe with all my heart that enviroment-has much to do with being gay. Babies are very perceptive…..and pick up on their surrounding very quick. They learn with their eyes….and ears….taking everything in.

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    • HippoNips
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:49am

      Well Docwillie ,
      I dont think it’s a matter of going straight to gay, but more like nothing yet to gay.
      I think we all are created to be straight by the natural design , but the dynamics of it all has to develop as our minds and bodies do.
      Chances are your son can’t remember what his earliest emotions are connected to, because in the first 5 years most people have very few re-callable memories….it’s just a slurry of emotions in reaction to outside stimulus ,imprinted on our brains and tied directly to how we feel . (Think of it as layers of memories and emotions laid on top of each other , newer ones burying the older ones but all connected .) Now I do know why I turned out the way I did because my memories reach farther back than most people and are rather complete . . Some gay friends of mine know why too because they can remember specific things they have a great amount of emotions about–some being abuse , but not all. …. Others,however, truly do not know how or why and have no recall at all. So they come to the conclusion that the way they are is how they have always been.

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    • tmarends
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:01pm

      I am sorry for your experiences, but that is you, not all.

      I cannot remember back to age 1, but I can to age 3. There was nothing in my background. Loving parents, who are still together, younger brother (by 21 months) who is straight. I do know that I wasn’t in the hospital room when my brother was born, I was with my grandparents and aunt. I never went through the “cootie” stage as a boy. I always had friends who were girls. I never wanted to be a girl, and did plenty of boy things. I was brought up in a conservative Christian home, and was taught by my church how homosexuality was wrong. I believed it, as that was what I was taught. When puberty hit, and the attractions started, I begged God to take them away from me, they were sins… but I couldn’t stop being attracted to other boys, even if I never acted on it. I joined the military hoping it would help… it didn’t. I went through an ex-gay ministry… didn’t help. I even went through an exorcism to rid myself of those “evil homosexual demons”… didn’t do anything. In a final attempt to make myself straight, I married a woman I liked, but did not love. Disaster. In my mid-30s, after years of attempting to do everything I could to try and be straight, I finally fell to my knees and asked God for understanding. The Holy Spirit led me to a deeper understanding of Scripture, and that God loves His gay children exactly as they are. Do I sin? Of course, we ALL sin. But my being gay, in and of itself, is neither sinful nor wrong.

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  • janddjohnson
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:41pm

    When I was growing up we had a neighbor with a child and I remember when he was a toddler he was always walking around wearing these womens necklaces. His mother said that he would get mad if they tried to take them away from him. He carried a purse when he was a few years older and still wore the womens jewelry. I don’t know if he was gay..they moved away when he was about 10. So because of that I have always wondered if you were born gay but I can’t see GOD making you that way and then say “Now Don’t Do It”..its kind of setting you up for failure. This neighbor of mine also had a brother a couple of years older than him and he was just a regular boy as far as I knew. How is it that some boys are very feminine and have those traits and body language? Is it practiced..or is it a put on….or was he meant to be a female? THe whole subject confused me and I had a gay friend that was married and had a child but then left his wife he said when he finally figured out he was gay. He said he just wouldn’t admit it to himself, but he said his wife called him a *** all the time because he had feminine traits. Can someone help me out here? I personally don‘t want anyone bullied or hurt by being gay but it goes against everything in nature and I liked it better when I didn’t know who was gay and who was straight. I don’t want to know someones sexuality. I don’t think you should get special treatment because you are gay. I know alot of people will disagree with me but I think I am entitled to my opinion. I personally think all this forced acceptance of life styles is hurting our country. Whats next? If I offended anyone, that was not my intention. God Bless.

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    • Frank Versace
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 9:30pm

      You absolutely correct….there is no basis for bullying or discriminating based on their physical characteristics. But the radical left has worked so hard to have gay behavior treated as “normal” that they’ve worked to prohibit psychologists/psychiatrists from treating gays who would prefer to NOT have those urges. Why not treat every psychological disorder as just an alternative version of normal? Kleptomania? Normal! Pedophilia? Normal! (Just ask the NAMBLA folks!) Someone thinks they’re a bird or truck? Normal!

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  • sorebird
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:40pm

    ho cares what they think about being gay?? How is what they think about gay relevant to anything, the federal government has no relevance to being gay or at least it shouldn’t, that should be the question: Do you think the federal government should be in our bed rooms or tell us who we should or should not be having sex with??

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    • phill273
      Posted on October 19, 2010 at 2:52am

      The Federal Government is in the “gay” marriage. The Defense of Marriage Act is a perfect example.

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  • angrymob
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:31pm

    Let’s face it folks, not everyone is going to agree on this issue…

    Personally, I believe it’s a choice.

    We need to be diligent in not allowing the left to use controversial topics to divide us.

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  • texanpatriot
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:29pm

    Not only do I care about the terrible blight that is abortion but so do the approximately 60,000,000 Americans who are not alive today because of it.

    Since the progressives think that the lowest form of life is the human why not kill them. That way this crowded old world has less wasteful lives to support. If they had looked at these precious souls as taxpayers they would have tried to mandate triplets.

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    • MontanaMade
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:59pm

      Actually- you make a good point! If Conservatives do not practice abortion- their numbers grow. Progressives/Liberals practice abortion- thus they thin their own herds. By basic biology- Liberals are a dying breed! If only it would come a little sooner…

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    • bglaidlaw
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:19pm

      Ceck out the progressive agenda, depopulation is right up there.

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    • firedragon
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 9:47pm

      i had a very sweet friend who had an abortion when we were in high school at 17. she was in love. her sweetheart was going to nc state. his father was killed in aplane wreck. his mother was a nurse but drank herself to sleep every night to oblivion. she arranged to have my dear friend an abortion late at night at the hospital w/o telling my friends mother. needless to say this selfish mother so worried about her own son’s education, money & leaving home ruined his life & my friends. It killed every bit of the love for him inside b/c my friend said he begged her to marry him 4 yrs. later. she couldn’t for emotional pain . Still today she loves him & misses him and looks to find him on the internet. His inheritance was great. No grandchild for grandma, He is an engineer today & his mom has passed.Sad SAD SAD! Fortunately , my dear friend married a wonderful person, got forgiveness with God, raised 3 b-t-ful daughters ooof her own and I mean b-t-ful. She said one day in church she felt God’s presence in such a way that he reminded her her baby will be in heaven. She has peace today b/c she sought God’s forgiveness & he gave her the girls.

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  • TMGallagher
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:29pm

    No Robert… abortion (as long as I’m not paying for someone else to do it) and who is sleeping with who are not things I’m concerned about right now. Social issues are not high on my list at this point in time because I’m more worried about the country being pushed over the edge economically. And, quite frankly Robert, I couldn’t care less if you like my position or not. But, for you to go on the attack and tell me to go back to Media Matters is insulting. It‘s pretty sad when instead of just stating your point of view you deem it acceptable to attack someone you don’t even know. Good luck staying on that high horse Robert.

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  • teahugger
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:20pm

    I don’t know how much of a choice people have about who they are attracted to. I for one seem to go for ugly alcoholics! However, we ALL have a choice about whom we have sexual relations with.

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  • angrymob
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:15pm

    @ TMGAHLAGHER

    Abortion takes lives and people who make a “big deal” about gays do so with love…not hate. If you don‘t think it’s an issue fine…but lets not let this divide us on election day!

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  • thepatriotdave
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:13pm

    I pray daily for all the innocent lives that are murdered by the barbaric abortionists. Don‘t tell me I don’t care!

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    • rfycom
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:43pm

      Do like I do. I stay in my doublewide and I mind my own business. I am not responsible for anyone else’s sins. If having an abortion is a sin it is the woman’s sin, not mine. Let the government pay for rape and incest. All else got to pay. If being gay is a sin it is the person’s sin and not mine. BUT keep beer cheap so I can medicate and get through this crap.

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  • Buckaroo
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:12pm

    Oof — I wouldn’t have mentioned it in the same breath as alcoholism tendencies, but overall he gave a pretty good answer.

    As noted above, buck gets grilled on this and yet bennet gets NOTHING on abortion I presume? thx. for the “even-handedness” d. gregory — you jerk!

    I await ANY leftie to show me the tiniest bit of evidence that homosexuality is determined by genes.
    /not holding breath

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  • RoAdFiXeR
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:12pm

    My answer…With all the problems facing the country today this is your concern, why is someones sexual orientation important to this discussion, why is it so important to you?

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    • GEW
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 10:27pm

      I think you are right…It is NOT the time to get into this. We can win the war but lose the battle if we do not keep our focus. FOCUS on what is needed to get this country at least steered away from the cliffs. Please….don’t get into the gutter over these issues that are being dictated by the progressives… Vote Nov. 2. on issues that must be turned around or we all will be buried under the weight of an iron fist, and with that this particular matter will be settled in a manner that no one will ejorice in.

      VOTE NOV 2. Vote these idiots out.

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  • MikeRaleighNC
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:05pm

    Republican hopefuls would do well by keeping their mouths shut on the subject. They have nothing to gain by expressing views that being gay is a choice. On the contrary, they expose their bias and will lose 50% of the population that really think the issue is an issue.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:09pm

      since when is disagreeing with a point of view biased?

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    • firedragon
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:58pm

      mike from raleigh i’m from the bottom of the state about 75 miles from ft.bragg nc

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    • heavyduty
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:26pm

      I agree with you mike it makes no sense to answer questions that don’t deal with the problems facing America. I don’t think being gay is a choice. I know it is a choice. God doesn’t do mistakes. Never has and never will.

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    • Kilkman
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 11:55pm

      Our government, and our current problems are a reflection of the moral decay of our society. To suggest Homosexuals are born that way, is to suggest that they were born with a birth defect, Some genetic anomaly or chemical imbalance that results in homosexual behavior. However we know that to date, No genetic anomaly or chemical imbalance Has been found. Doesn‘t mean one won’t be in the future, but through 150 years of research on the subject, the only constant diagnosis has been mental disorder. If you oppose the notion that homosexuality is a birth defect, or the result of environmental factors such as abuse or other trauma. That only leaves Choice. All evidence so far points to the conclusion that Homosexuality is not a birth defect.

      The are exceptions, hermaphrodites are born with both sex organs. Doctors make assessments as to what gender they believe they most closely match and perform reconstructive surgery on them shortly after birth. That leads to confusion and problems later in life because that choice was made for them. Other cases include xxy births where a child appears to be male or female at birth and starts changing sexes after puberty. Those people have no choice. And to associate them with LGBTs is a mistake.

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  • gopsnativeson
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:01pm

    If a conservative is gay, he quietly goes about his life. If a democrat of liberal is gay, they insist we legislate acceptance & respect. How does this useful idiot Gregory figure that a views held by 30% of the population is “mainsteam”

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  • Squ33
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:01pm

    I think its a choice, despite what mainstream psychology says. Personally, who cares, when two consenting adults are alone together, let them do what they want (as long as they are not harming a third party).

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    • jblazak
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 11:09pm

      Unfortunately what those two people are doing “is” effecting a lot of people. If they left it in the bedroom that would be somewhat ok but they have come out of the bedroom and into our face and into our childrens’ classrooms!
      They are also forcing it on the military! They are cutting off their nose to spite their face!

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    • BrandyWilson
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:40pm

      Funny SQU33: Why do people think that their earnest, sincere desires are sufficient to the CHANGE the Word of God to justify their chosen way of life?

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 8:33pm

      as i always say – your ignorance makes me throw up in my mouth. please keep it inside your own homes and not corrupting my children.

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  • Contrarianthinker
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:00pm

    I’m a PROUD outsdie the mainstream person. American MSM and politics is far outside the mainstream of morality. God would never place a homosexual gene in a person and then say that acting upon this genal urge is a sin. That would make God a real SADIST.

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    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:15pm

      Excellent point!

      PatriotShops.com

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    • Joseph_Plumb_Martin
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:38pm

      You mean being a 9/11 Troofer? You guys ever find Kolob by the way?

      How’s that White Horse Prophecy coming along?

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    • Citizen7154
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:31pm

      I would never presume to know what God would or would not do. I am not gay, but I do think it is likely that being homosexual, like a lot of things, is challenging. I also think that the human mind is incredibly complex and I am certain that we don’t fully understand how it works or why certain predispositions or predilections or choices are included already. If you look at studies of identical twins that are separated, there are mannerisms and stylistic choices that are already made before we are born, regardless of nurture. I think the brain is too complicated and it would be unwise to rule out the likelihood that it is related to a combination of genes.

      Regardless of the cause, I think a little tolerance goes a long way and would reflect better on some of those who are posting.

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 9:47pm

      Citizen, stating what I see as obvious is NOT being intolerant? If it is, how so? Do you think God is a sadist?

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    • Joseph_Plumb_Martin
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 11:38pm

      god cares about us? To bad he doesn’t help my fantasy football team

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    • BrandyWilson
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 2:29pm

      Contrarianthinker:I agree sooo much… I have respect for the gay person who stands up for who they are and what they like to do! That is HONEST and STRAIGHTFORWARD ….rather than coming up this lame, unprovable excuse looking for a cover…Oh! I was born this way!…Just own up to the reality you just loving the way you have decided you like best? …Why is telling a gay person that they LIKE WHAT THEY DO …Hate Speech? Why?

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    • mintyfresh
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 8:34pm

      how do you explain that god gave you a stupid gene?

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  • Robert W
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:00pm

    Go back to media matters. I smell a wolf in sheeps clothing.

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  • fvfdgm1
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 5:59pm

    Don’t ask someone what their opinion is if you are going to use their opinion against him by giving his opponent a question where he just has to agree with you or not! This is a sad state of American journalism today!

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    • BrandyWilson
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:51pm

      FVFDGM!: They (Gay people) are only tolerant One Way…They don’t want to hear that their choice is a choice for sin… it is clearly an INTOLERANCE FOR THE TRUTH! …Sad…really!…because there is nothing you can do against the truth except o be for it!

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  • Robert W
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 5:59pm

    Nobody cares about abortion? Every day 4,000 babies are murdered in this country. I care and ALOT of other people care. What world do you live in.

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  • Psychosis
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 5:58pm

    THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT “YOUR BORN GAY” scientifically it is an impossibility

    you are born just like every other creature on earth with the one goal to procreate……hence scientifically you are actually born “not gay”

    being gay is a choice brought upon by many different points of effect……environment, parents, friends, “whats cool”, lack of morals, being taught that its ok, experimenting with it and enjoying it, …………….BUT NEVER BECAUSE OF GENES………if it was genes, it would be a none issue because in order for it to be passed on, you would have to procreate…….kinda hard for DAD and DAD to do

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    • RealityCheck
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:38pm

      I look at it the same way I look at the people who claim to be Vampires. I still don’t believe Vampires are real so call me a vampaphobe. Please, just because a claim is made and actions based on the claim are done, doesn’t make it anything more than a claim. You want to announce something then you better be able to prove it with hard facts or I’m not buying.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:20pm

      How do you account for the FACT that homosexuality is seen in almost all animals? Just asking – I believe you are being a bit narrow mind on this issue. And what does this issue have to do with getting our country back on track?

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    • kindling
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:25pm

      I have a friend that is gay and I don’t believe he would have been had he not been molested all his childhood by a priest.

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    • Psychosis
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:37pm

      @ walk with me……………….how do i explain it in nature? simple NATURES WAY OF SELECTING THE FITTEST TO PASS DOWN THEIR GENES. have fun in lib land

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    • grammyof6
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:43pm

      THANK YOU !! Could not have said it better. Awesome and AMEN!!

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    • TumbleBumble
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:14pm

      Walkwithme – Animal behaviorists have given two possible (and very probable) reasons for this in nature. 1 – dominance and 2 – by youth as a form of practice. Animals that have yet to produce the appropriate hormones mimic the behavior but are not driven by any scent. There is a quite a bit on this topic if you care to look further.

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    • mikermc
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:26pm

      HMM, I was raised “properly”. I went to a Catholic school, was never molested, was taught that homosexuality was wrong and not cool, I never had an alcoholic drink til I was 21, have never tried an illegal drug to this day (I’m 38) and yet I turned out to be gay. Let’s be honest too, there’s plenty of heterosexuals out there that have no business procreating. Like I always say, if homosexuality wasn‘t natural then it wouldn’t be possible.

       
    • Citizen7154
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:34pm

      And by the way. I hate the word tolerance. It brings to mind the idea that the other person is messed up and will be tolerated regardless. I think a more appropriate term would be acceptance. Since you brought up God, I think God would probably appreciate your acceptance of homosexuals as your genetic and reason-having equals.

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    • Frank Versace
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 9:14pm

      MIKERMIC…. You said “..if homosexuality wasn‘t natural then it wouldn’t be possible.“ So the fact the beastiality and pedophilia are possible makes them ”natural” and therefore okay? Homosexuality is just one of many forms of sexual deviance….it’s just at the forefront of those clamoring for societal acceptance.

      As for the “fact” of animal homosexuality…a quote for an excellent article on the topic from NARTH

      Other researchers feel compelled to point out the impropriety of transposing animal behavior to man. Although very favorable to the homosexual interpretation of animal behavior, Paul L. Vasey, of the University of Lethbridge in Canada, nevertheless cautions:
      “For some people, what animals do is a yardstick of what is and isn’t natural. They make a leap from saying if it’s natural, it’s morally and ethically desirable. Infanticide is widespread in the animal kingdom. To jump from that to say it is desirable makes no sense. We shouldn’t be using animals to craft moral and social policies for the kinds of human societies we want to live in. Animals don’t take care of the elderly. I don’t particularly think that should be a platform for closing down nursing homes.”

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    • CommunismSurvivor
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 10:01pm

      Here’s something else to mull over: most children who grow up with gay parents, grow up straight. If homosexuality is a learned behavior, how come gays don’t raise gays?

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    • The Giver
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:26am

      I guess you don’t believe that there are infertile people born. Why would someone according to your logic… who can’t procreate, be born? Some people become infertile due to infections and/ or surgery, but some are just born that way. Maybe the Creator knows what He‘s doing and there are reasons that we don’t yet comprehend.

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    • abc
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 1:45pm

      There is a LOT of evidence that being gay is genetically predetermined. The morphology of gay and straight brains are different, with certain parts of the brain enlarged or diminished in size. This would reflect chemistry differences in the brains, which develop so early that it cannot be explained by learned behavior. Those that claim otherwise have no idea what they are talking about. See:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm
      http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html

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    • Contrarianthinker
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:09pm

      ABC, let‘s assume for a moment that the papers you’re referring to were good science, can chemicals in the brain be develped to get rid of the abnormalty or at least neurtalize it. I have serious ADHD chemical inblances which are neutralized a great deal by prescription drugs. Also, there are practices I can follow that helps naturally offset ADHD activities. I can be pure hell if NOT taking these drugs or making the adjustments. If I choose to live in pure hell, is that a good idea or socailly acceptable?

      Again assuming it is genetic, would you then conlcue that God is a sadist for placing that in a pwerson‘s genetic makeup and then commanding him to stop becuase it’s a sin?

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    • flyguync
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 7:00pm

      It’s funny how people who tout evolution and how we all came from the same goo can think you are born gay or heterosexual. If all of this is true, why aren’t some animals born gay?

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  • Robert W
    Posted on October 17, 2010 at 5:50pm

    Its a disordered choice. Its an effect thats determined by a number of different causes.

     
    • thepatriotdave
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 6:11pm

      Outside the mainstream view???? Since when is about 85% of Americans outside the mainstream view!?
      Once again for our progressive friends… It is the act, not the person we have a problem with (Barney Frank being the one exception).

      PatriotShops.com

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    • AmericanDogMan
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 7:20pm

      RobertW
      I agree

      1. The log cabin republicans aren’t Republicans (more progressive nonesense)

      2. Dont ask dont tell, fine repeal it and just ask. That‘s right ask if they are gay and if they answer yes they can’t serve. You don’t have first ammendment rights in the military *(case in point McChrystal)

      3. Homosexuality is a Fetish…
      Some people are born with an affinity for Latex and Rubber and Feet and some are born maybe liking the same sex… Homosexuality is a fetish…
      It’s nonesense to talk about in public and I dont know what my parents and grandparents were doing to let the discussion get this far.

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    • snowleopard3200
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:24pm

      this has nothing to deal with genetics, it is a matter of ones own choices and decisions made in their own life. I have seen many former bi- and gay- life people give it up and declare that indeed it is a choice of lifestyle.

      People are still free to make the choice as they see fit, so long as they do not jam it down others throasts (and vice versa).

      http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm (mixed art)

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    • RAISINGCONSERVATIVES
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 8:56pm

      Here…read this…

      http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

      it is very informative…

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    • Nutthuggers
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 9:11pm

      If you think being gay is a “choice” you must be bisexual. If you believe you are heterosexual by choice this means in your mind if you had no outward guidance you could just as easily sleep with a man or woman and be happy. I am heterosexual by birth. I enjoyed looking at women and fantasizing about women. I didnt choose to have these thoughts about women. Even if I tried to become excited by another man I wouldn’t be able too. It is not possible to “choose” to be gay if you are heterosexual if you think people choise to be gay because it is “cool” you sir are a moron Most gay people live as outcasts to 95% percent of the population My gay brother in law has never fantisized about women. He thinks women are gross. It is the way you are born. If you think it is a “choice” it means you fantasize about men and women. Sorry to break it to you……you are BISEXUAL!

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    • Robert W
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 9:34pm

      Thats funny. For some reason I couldnt reply for a couple hours. I thought they booted me.

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    • ME
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 9:55pm

      @angrymob

      Very nice, had to have my wife read too:)

      As for the topic, being gay is a choice as eating to gluttony is a choice rosie o’donnell has made both. I believe in hatting the sin not the sinner and who is with out sin let them cast the first stone? That said I sin in still hatting rossie:) So no stones from ME, but it does not mean I will not call my sin a sin or not call there sin a sin. A child may be born and be obese does that make him born that way is the spoon to blame??? or is it a choice that they may have a disposition to? Life may deal someone disproportionately a disposition it does not mean they are without choice. Depression, food, sexual orientation ect…

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    • jzs
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 10:01pm

      2, you sound ambivalent comparing the relative attractiveness of men and women. Occasionally fantasies?

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    • The Giver
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 10:07pm

      Nutthuggers, That is a good argument. you could be a lawyer! Of course it’s not by choice. People know very early on in life. They may not want to admit it till later and I think this leads to others thinking it was a choice.

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    • jzs
      Posted on October 17, 2010 at 10:36pm

      FIREDRAGON, are you the same guy I hear talking on 2nd street sometimes?

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    • The Giver
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 12:56am

      FIREDRAGON, I believe in a loving God. We as humans don’t just condemn our children. How much greater is the love of our Father in Heaven. We, heterosexuals are supposed to be fruitful and multiply. Sex is only for procreation, right? Are heterosexual couples sinning if they use birth control. Your heart is in the right place, but you sound very angry. If they are willing to risk their lives for your liberty, you don’t think they deserve to be in the military. What about all heterosexuals that join the military and use birth control, they are sinning too? What about unmarried soldiers that have sex? Who gets to join in your opinion. I think that if you love this country enough to die for it, you can join.

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 3:39am

      @ Me

      Glad you liked it. :))))

      Some people believe homosexuality is a choice (like me); some believe it’s their environment growing up; others believe it’s all in the genes…what really counts is that we remain firm in our beliefs and try to love people anyways – even when they refuse to listen.

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    • justsaying
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 8:14am

      Angrymob…thanks for the laugh:)

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    • angrymob
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 12:31pm

      @ Justsaying

      It’s funny cause it so true – everyone needs a good laugh from time to time.

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    • angelnfamily
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 7:42pm

      what he refers “GAYS” in the same catagory as alcholism. Who is he kidding. It is a choice to “come out” that is about the ONLY choice in the matter. Can you control the color of your eyes,
      No well if you get contacts i guess, what a nut sac

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    • angelnfamily
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 7:51pm

      hence the God created adam and evething okay. Well, We all have seen plenty of animals have sex with the same sex. Come on do you even speak to your kids about this. Or anyone who is actually in a same sex relationship. Or are you so stuck in your ways. You always have to put someone a catagory and call them this, Get OVER IT. Some people like the same sex, it’s not a way to Rebel against God, it is simple being who they are inside. Yeah a lot of people are confused, but those people don’t speak for everyone, just the same as John McCain doesn’t speak for every Republican.
      Please people lets Stop the Discrimination. People in realationships (same sex) have been raped, spit on and even worse because of what they believe. So now who is God with? Remember in the Word it says when God couldn’t use his people, he had to move on and use those who were cast out. Who do u think that was?

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    • Atheist
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 9:44pm

      @Firedragon Scientists don’t believe that men descend from monkeys either.

      Because we evolved from apes, which are very different from monkeys.

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    • Atheist
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 10:02pm

      You people are priceless. I’m just glad that we have your bigotry in black and white.

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    • janie46
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 10:45pm

      NO IT IS NOT! Being a **** sexual is a choice. Just like an alcoholic or drug addict or a promiscuous person. What I don’t understand is why in our current climate (America’s), it is so bad to call things by name. Homosexuality is a sin plain and simple. If you choose to turn your life in a different direction it can be done. Saying it’s anything else is a big cop out!

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    • Atheist
      Posted on October 18, 2010 at 11:08pm

      You know what’s a cop-out?

      Invoking god in your arguments.

      If you can’t explain why something is immoral, wrong, or in any way a negative thing without saying “because god says so,” then guess what? It isn’t immoral, wrong, or in any way a negative thing.

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 19, 2010 at 7:32am

      ” I have seen many former bi- and gay- life people give it up and declare that indeed it is a choice of lifestyle.”

      Well, they were either not gay in the first place or they are lying to you and to themselves. It is not a choice but as long as the churches keep saying it is, the longer we will have teenagers killing themselves over the issue. http://wp.me/pYLB7-gA

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