U.S. College Student Stuck in Canada Until 2013 For Not ‘Declaring’ Handgun Fast Enough to Border Officials
- Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:10pm by
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Kraig Jacobson (source: change.org)
A 26-year-old man from Alpine, Utah was arrested at the Canada-U.S. border and faces up to 6 months in prison for initially forgetting to declare he was in possession of a handgun during a routine border screening, The Salt Lake City Tribune reports. To be clear, he isn’t accused of possessing a handgun illegally.
Kraig Jacobson was arrested on July 16 and as of Tuesday, he remains stuck in Canada, awaiting a jury trial in 2013.
Jacobson and his brother Kevin set off on a six-week motorcycle trek across the country to raise money for the American Cancer Society when they crossed a bridge and entered Canada. The brothers ended up camping in the wilderness many nights — Jacobson said he brought his handgun for protection from bears and other animals.
His father, Gordon Jacobson, says the ordeal has been a nightmare for his son.
So, here’s how it all went down. Jacobson was reportedly detained at the border and asked if he had any items to “declare,” Gordon Jacobson told The Salt Lake Tribune. Though Jacobson first told the officer no, shortly after he remembered to inform a second officer that his handgun was locked in the trunk of his seat before they began searching it.
“He had been riding all day in the heat, and he was kind of dehydrated and stressed out and said no,” Gordon Jacobson explained, adding that shortly after his son “came to his senses” and told the second officer. However, by then, “It was too late,” he said.
An initial gun charge was dropped, but Jacobson is now being charged with “smuggling with malicious intent” and lying to a border official. The two charges together carry a four- to six-month prison term.
The Tribune has more details on the case:
Jacobson, a Utah Valley University business major, was arrested on the spot, and his family initially thought what they called an honest mistake would just turn into a fine and a deportation, but it was far worse.
“Kraig recognizes his mistake,” his father said, and knows he needs to pay the consequence but doesn’t think the penalty should be so stiff.
“It seems to me a year out of his life is a little ridiculous,” he said. “There is no tolerance on the Canadian side for making an honest mistake. They will throw the book at you.”
Gordon Jacobson said he first found out about his son’s predicament from family members when Kraig’s brother posted on Facebook that his brother was in a Canadian jail.
Jacobson spent July 25 to Aug. 3 inside the Niagara Detention Centre on an immigration hold, according to Ontario Canada Sgt. Dyson. It is a jail where hardened criminals are booked in the same facility as with those dealing with immigration issues.
When Jacobson was released on bail, he found some friends of the family to stay with, but he can’t leave the province until after his jury trial in January 2013.
“He is stuck in a country where he can’t leave and can’t hold a job,” Gordon Jacobson explained.
A petition website, titled “Canadian Government: Release Kraig Jacobson,” has been launched for Jacobson by one of his friends asking for prosecutors in Canada to release him and let him come home. The petition currently has 995 supporters.
“It may not change Kraig’s outlook,” his father said about the petition. “But I would I like it to help solve problems for others traveling to Canada.”
Jacobson turns 27 on Wednesday. Pending a miracle, he will spend it in Canada instead of enjoying it with his family and friends, uncertain when he will be back in his own bed.
Choking back tears, his father told The Tribune: “We try to keep our game faces on, but it is hard not having him around.”
The opinions found in the commenter section of The Tribune’s website are extremely diverse:
“I do not believe Mr. Kraig’s mistake was an honest one. Intentionally packing a gun and failing report it at a border point is not an honest mistake. Stupid, yes. Honest, no,” one commenter wrote.
“I personally know Kraig’s brother, who was on the trip with him, and I‘m completely assured this wasn’t a case of stupidity. Anyone of us could have done it if we’d been a little less than informed. Instead of spouting all your judgmental filth all over cyber space, take a minute to put yourself in Kraig’s shoes,” another person posted.
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Comments (181)
Targettarget
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:40pmGood grief.
And what do you people think would happen to me, A Canadian, if I failed to declare a handgun in my possession when asked at a border crossing? You think maybe they’d throw me in a holding cell and charge me with something similar.
Stop acting like this is a “Canadian” problem. This guy screwed up and I feel sorry for him, but as of right now YOU WISH that you (America) were as “tough on border crime” as we are up here.
Report Post »Selfreliance
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:49pmWhat I‘d expect is that you’d be thrown in a holding cell while they figured out A) if you own the gun legally, B) what sort of person your record says you are C) what their options are. In a just world, if you’re clean otherwise and voluntarily noted the gun (but not the first time), I personally hope you’d be sent back across the border. But that’s just me, being reasonable.
Report Post »Targettarget
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:58pmAs a Canadian gun owner, I say this without hesitation; since 9/11 the US has clamped down extremely hard on all things gun related.
It is no longer “easy” to transport firearms across the Can/US border. It can be done, but it takes time and patience with red tape.
This is a crappy situation, but we need to realize that this guy crossed an international border into a sovereign country with different laws. I can‘t just fly into Germany or France and expect to follow Canadian laws while I’m there, just like Americans can‘t cross into Canada and expect to follow American laws while you’re here.
Report Post »Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:01pmAbout 35 years ago I saved a friend and perhaps myself from a similar fate. We were going up to Toronto for the day and was about to cross the border into Canada. I reached into the glove box to get some change out for the bridge toll when I spotted my friend’s legally registered handgun. I told him we had to declare that. At first my buddy wanted to “forget” about it. I persisted and when we reached the customs booth he declared the gun. We were sent over to the screening building and the gun was confiscated. My buddy was issued a receipt so he could reclaim his gun when we left Canada. We had no trouble over the incident and the gun was returned when we came home.
Report Post »ThemDemsLie2much
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:19pmNever been but doubt it is that bad. I’d need to know the other sides description of how it went down. Would he’d been allowed to continue if he had declared it? Camping in the wild? Why did they go into Canada for an “accross the Country fund raising trip”? Something isn’t right with this picture!
Report Post »Targettarget
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:22pm@ Dougral Supports Israel:
That’s typically how it works. I don‘t think that there’s a sovereign country in the world that would allow someone to enter with an undeclared gun of any kind. Much the same way that I can’t cross into the US with an undeclared weapon (or even declared, if I haven’t done the paperwork); Americans can’t cross into Canada with the same.
It‘s not that Canada doesn’t allow handguns and rifles to be possessed here (we do); it’s a matter of filling out the paperwork and proceeding the correct way.
Report Post »crackerone
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:25pmHe’s lucky he is in Canada. What would Mayor Bloomberg do with him?
Report Post »inthealpine
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:28pmHeck. On the US southern boarder we not only let people walk over unimpeded our US Attorney General arms them first.
Report Post »texans2010
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:18pm@TARGETTARGET
Forgive me if I misunderstood, but he did declare the gun. He simply forgot about it at first and told a second officer. There was no ill intent, he simply forgot about the gun when he was first asked and then attempted to rectify the situation before the gun was even found. That seems to be a simple mistake rather than a punishable offense.
Report Post »NeoFan
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:29pmHis biggest mistake was going to Canada period. Many of my coworkers learned the hard way that you don’t even make small talk or smile at Canadian guards. They hate Americans with a passion. Besides Canada has almost nothing worth seeing. Remember only terrorists in Canada are allowed to have guns. Oh and yes our border guards are a wholes as well.
love the kids
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:30pmThe sad part is: Their legal system is far better than their health care system.
Report Post »snufy
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:49pmI know, my Canadian friend. I wish America would put Canadian border agents in charge of the Mexican/U.S. border. Maybe something could get done, giving that Obama would leave them alone. I cross the Canadian border with my job, and the Canadian border people are easier to deal with than the American side. Maybe I should wear a fake beard and a turbin on my head. What do they think people are going to do with guns, anyway…start a revolt against the gov’t?
Report Post »mtsnj
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:52pmWell if it were a Mexican we’d contain him until we old give him college classes a license, welfare checks and a home.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:02pm@ THEDEMSLIE2MUCH
Report Post »If you are going from Boston to Detroit, Canada offers a shortcut.
Jaycen
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:27pm@Targettarget
That’s a crucial and important point. You know what we CAN do? We can refuse to go to Canada, to assist your companies, to do work for you. Simple.
I can’t expect to sell my extremely complicated software and control systems to Canada and then be treated like a human being when I get there, can I? The answer is clearly no.
Don’t like it? Don’t go! You have it nailed, brother. Just stay the hell away from us, and we’ll be sure to stay the hell away from you. Good fences make good neighbors.
Report Post »Jaycen
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:35pm@NeoFan
You think our border guards are jerks? Welcome to Canda…..
If you fly to Canada to do business, and you don’t have your PAPERS PLEASE!, then you are in for a ride. The last time I went, I was threatened for an hour with being put on the next plane back to the States.
Fed up, I told the guard, “Fine with me, man, I don’t want to be here anyway. Where do I wait?” I was then immediately told to purchase a $150 work visa from another window. Again, that‘s fine with me as I’m just going to charge YOUR COMPANY for that work visa. Idiots.
But as we’ve seen with our current administration, you can’t reason with Socialists.
Yep, Americans wanting to do business in Canada must now have a letter of invitation, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU VISIT RUSSIA OR CHINA (I know, as I’ve been to all of those countries in the last few years). You must also prove that the work you’re there to do was sold as part of the equipment the Canadian company purchased.
Wouldn‘t want an American taking a Canadian’s job, now, would we? Heard that from a Canadian border agent, too.
Welcome to the Canadian Socialist Worker’s Party. You can call them the Cazi’s for short. An entire country of Union mentality.
Oh, but hey…they don’t have to check their bank account before they head to the hospital. *wink wink*
Report Post »gillfish
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:49pmi have done the smart thing i stay out of canada.if i go to alaska i ferry my veh. from seattle that way you can take your guns.when a grizzle is charging you in canada you can ring a bell and spray pepper spray and pray it is not more pissed off,i will stick with a 50cal hand gun any day.
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 12:57amWe all know that Canada sucks and I feel bad for this guy but this is more important: Did you know that a Marine is being held in America under communist tactic’s for posting patriotic material on his FB page? http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/military-vet-detained-for-psych-evaluation-over-anti-government-facebook-posts/
Report Post »GIVEMBOTHBARRELS
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:20amGood grief….I recognize several of you “posters”: what a bunch of hypocrites. In previous postings you support enforcing the rules; this time you say “make an exception of our ill-informed U.S. citizen”. The kid fessed up when the second border agent went to search in the trunk of his motorcycle seat: Oops, I forgot…I was tired…I was dehydrated….( insert any other lame excuse here ).
The kid F’ed up. He is being detained and awaiting trial. Please explain what is wrong with this. We would do the same thing if a foreign national tried to “smuggle” a firearm into our country.
I carry. I know when I am carrying. I know the laws related to carrying, and I comply because I understand the consequences for violating these laws. Ignorance is not a legal defense…in any country.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:39amJaycen, what you describe is a mild version what I experienced and treatment I’ve got when going over the border to do business in US. I almost fell like in my old commie country when undergoing the grueling cross-examination by US Border an Immigration agents.
Not mentioning when I married an American and mention on the border I am going to visit my wife. I got this speech about being no longer welcome in US. Now, were I a Mexican sneaking in via back road…
Canadian border agents know what treatment we get in US, so they may feel to be somewhat, eh, reciprocal, I guess.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 4:52amI now use when going to US what I call a “total recall” routine–“recreation” or “visiting friends” and “two weeks”, for the sake of not holding up the line, avoiding all the stuff that may create complications.
Report Post »JQuentinEvermann
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 9:44amHow, if his car is being inspected before entry in Canada, was he actually IN Canada? Isn’t the job
of the Canadian cops at the border to PREVENT entry to those breaking the law? Then WHY did they
DRAG HIM INTO THE COUNTRY?
Report Post »chalvorson
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 10:27amHe should have come thru Mexico…our govt would probably have given him more guns to bring thru the border. The govt has such double standards depending on if you’re coming in from Mexico or Canada. Maybe if they were this diligent with the southern borders we wouldn’t have the illegal immigrant issues in this country.
Report Post »lessoneleg
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 11:36amSelfReliance, hey pal, it’s an international border dufus. I don’t care about his status American tidbits. Legal or whatever, he crossed into a foreign country, NEW RULES APPLY.
Report Post »Bowlz
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 12:26pmAs a gun owner, I always know when I’m carrying, even if it’s in a locked box. He did not handle this well and he’s learning. That said, LET HIM GO! it’s a mistake based on BS. Every law abiding human being should be allowed to carry a gun for protection. As far as the information suggests, he wasn’t gong to kill anyone, wasn’t a terrorist, didn’t have a nefarious history. Fine him for being dumb, give him his gun back and send him back to his home. THIS type of case is not worth the time and money that will be incurred: for nothing!!!!! Common sense is dead when law abiding citizens lose their rights because of the bad people out there.
Report Post »GunSlingerTexas
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 12:45pm@ SNUFY,
Report Post »Trust me, if American politicians would untie the hands of the US Border Patrol agents who patrol the borders and give them the judicial support, jail space, and transport support and then let them enforce the Immigration and Nationality Act as they once did with out political interference then there would be very little illegal activity entering the US. The laws are already in the INA to enforce the border and all aliens who are in the US, legal or illegal. The border patrol has their hands tied by politicians like Upchuck schmucker, ted kennedy‘s past policies since the 1980’s, and many other liberal commie pinkos who have made it impossible for the men who stand on that wall to protect America! And it is intentional that the politicians have done this. The laws are there to be enforced, but if Border Patrol tries to enforce the laws of the land, then they violate internal policies and regulations that get them fired! So yes, America has thousands of more border patrol agents than they have ever had, less authorization to enforce the laws, so the SU Congress is wasting money hiring agents just to tie their hands and keeping them from enforcing the INA! The funniest part is, there are illegal aliens who live and work all around areas where there are border patrol stations and the agents are not allowed to arrest them unless they actually see them cross the border 100 yards away!!! WHAT a joke your COMMIE CONGRESS has made of such a great agency!
Joshnbama
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:47pmWhy don’t you go boil a gun?
Report Post »Amarilloan
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:49pmAm I mistaken? I thought that Canadians couldn’t own handguns.
Report Post »Amarilloan
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 1:56pmInthealpine, You win for the funniest blog of the day.
Report Post »Joshnbama
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 2:42pmFolks, ignore Targettarget. This idiot, Targettarget boild a 1911 pistol and posted pictures. Yes, you read that right, he boiled a pistol. He is nothing but a troll here and firearms websites.
Report Post »mauloa
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 5:51pmI’m wth you TargetTarge! I am a dual citizen and live in So. Alberta. We cross the border regularly and have no problems. That is because we DECLARE on BOTH sides everything we have or purchase. This has been the case for 10 years. I believe had there not appeared the second border guard was going to check things, this young man WOULD NOT have declared the gun. Everyone knows Canada has strict gun laws regarding hand guns. At 27 years old, he is not a child, but should be a responsible adult and accept the mess he got himself into. Dehyderation IS NOT an excuse. If he was that disabled, how was he able to stay balanced on his motorcycle? I thought Obama was the kind of excuses, but this young man is running a close second. He needs to “buck up”… had he been on the southern border (Mexico) he would probably never get out of jail and a “trial” would be an unknown activity. Father of the young man – you need to grow up too. Sorry to be so harsh, but I am sick and tired of the whiners that seem to always be finding themselves in trouble.
Report Post »Citizen7154
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 10:27pmI’m not. It is a common sense problem. Border Patrol Agents should be given a degree of discretion and the common sense to discern when someone is being evasive versus forgetful.
Report Post »bennettpatches
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 11:17pmThat’s just funny as hell considering so many terrorists came from Canada and entered the U.S. while crossing Canadian borders. To be fair, if enough attempts are committed, in any country, one or two succeeding is reasonable to assume. Not to bash Canada, but when there are repeated occurrences of terrorists crossing your borders, and for them to make a statement that they are super vigilant against anyone getting through, it just strikes me as arrogant, not to mention factually inaccurate.
Report Post »Marcus Porcius
Posted on August 23, 2012 at 4:14pmYeah you’re so tough on “border crime” that you do this to an American while letting any Muslim terrorist into your country under “asylum.”
Give us a break.
Report Post »xkrazycanadianx
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:39amI totally agree with you I am a Canadian living in Washington State and i cross the Blaine USA, Surrey BC Border all the time and i know dam well if i brought a weapon into america the would be trying to Lock me into Prison for way longer then six months or a year so Yes maybe he made a mistake but i don’t feel sorry for him not one bit and last time i checked American Cancer Society has nothing to do with Canada so why were the there anyway?
Report Post »Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:33pmHe made a big mistake trying to take a handgun into Canada. They don’t like handguns up there at all. If you travel with a firearm it is your responsibility to know what the rules are everywhere you intend to go.
Report Post »perry1980
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:21pmDude it is Canada you can escape easily
Report Post »Gumbercules
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:30pm“Jacobson said he brought his handgun for protection from bears and other animals.”
Report Post »________________________________
I think it originally read “from bears and other canadians”. Why theBlaze has to censor everything, I will never know . . .
Zipit
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 10:19amDitto P1980, what could be easier? Escaping Canada, or breaking into the US!!!!!!! There are plenty of places that you can simply walk across the border. Come home, and don’t go back. But then again, Eric Holder might begin the process of extradition on the basis of your being white and owning a gun! Justice, Fast And Furious!!!!
Report Post »olddog
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:18pmI was almost arrested on the canadian border for a pack of cigarettes.. No Joke a pack of canadian cigarettes I didn’t tell them about, mainly because my wife thought i’d quit. There is no freedom of speech in canada and if your conservative you could be locked up forever..Totally Socialist Country and they’ve seen the last of me, it’s a shame we have to get most of our oil from them when we have so much. Lets send all our tree huggers to canada and then drill,drill,drill……..
Report Post »Svt4Him
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:37pmNo, it was probably because you sound dumb. If you are Canadian and you go the the states to bring back smokes, declare them, don’t try and thief them. As for the story, the guy like, then prior to them searching him he declared his guy. Dude, declare it before they pull you over. You are bringing a firearm into a different country.
Report Post »Targettarget
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:41pmCanada is “totally Socialist”?
LOL, check your facts, bud.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:02pmI have to laugh when seeing posts like ones from olddog.
Yes, Canada had some flirtations with socialism-lite during several decades of the last century, but since about mid-90′s, here has been a gradual trend to move in the opposite direction. Maybe it s not as fast as one would wish, but it is a solid course.
Do we have collectivist nutjobs? Sure we do, a plenty, but we seem to be keeping them in check, while you guys don‘t have a faintest if Obozo won’t pull a fast one on ya and transform USA into USSA, or even UCSA a few months from now. I hope not. I have an daughter hat is US citizen which means I have a (relative) skin in the game too.
Report Post »ORRonin
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:15pmOkay. I have a solution to this problem. After we boot Obama in November, and reclaim both houses, we pass legislation that mandates no Canadian over the age of 21 may enter the US unless they are in possession of a sidearm, unless of course they are a convicted felon, or under a restraining order for domestic violence.
That will certainly cause a stir up in the beaver belt… I figure about a month without a Costco run for booze and the will boot their whole leftist government and sign up as new states. Talk about a “win-win” situation…
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:09pm“their whole leftist government ”
LOL!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_of_Canada
Report Post »grayling646
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:11pmThat’s what he gets for going to Canada. Sheesh.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:21pmThat’s what he gets for not declaring his gun and “remembering” that he has one when officer was going to check his trunk. No matter what side border you are on and what nationality, you’d be in trouble.
Report Post »grayling646
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:26pmTwo:
Report Post »I was just being a wiseass. relax.
claymoremacm
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:57pmI don’t go to Canada,this is just one of the reasons,the other is they don’t deserve my money,and they are socialist,and they suck off our country for our protection,however it might be fun to sneek up there and beat a few baby seals
Report Post »Targettarget
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:43pmAnd again; Canada is Socialist?
Last time I checked, we weren’t the country that elected a flat-out Communist to be their El Presidente.
Stay in the US. We don’t want or need your money.
Report Post »jazzdad
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 10:24amSure, Canada benefits from having the U.S. as its neighbour, but I bet Americans would like to have such a low-maintenance neighbour on their southern border as well.
Report Post »Jerbear1098
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:40pmHaving a Canada border just 20 minutes from my house, it common knowledge to NOT take a firearm across the border. Especially after 911, CBP is at high alert at all times. They don’t take too kindly to guns going across their border. Know the laws or pay the price…
Report Post »snufy
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:04pmActually, I like Canada. The drivers are more friendly and courteous, for one thing. When I get back into the States, I sure notice the difference with agressive drivers and rude people. The food seems to taste better, too. Quebec is French speaking, with all the road signs in French, so I’m glad I can speak French. You can buy Cuban cigars there, just don’t bring them back across the border. The border people deal with bullcrap every day, so don’t think you can get away with anything, and you will be fine. Canadian women are very pretty. Not as many obese people there as in America, it seems. I just don’t like the cold, snowy winters.
Report Post »YAHspeaksTOthisGENERATION
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:39pm“”Thus says The Lord of Hosts to all the sons and daughters of this, the last generation of men: You have all inherited the error of your fathers! You have altogether become like them! Behold, you have surpassed the sins of ancient Egypt, when I poured out My wrath upon them! Your wickedness has increased beyond every tribe, people, and nation, which has dwelled upon the earth!… THIS GENERATION IS WICKED BEYOND MEASURE!
Thus great wrath is stirred up and My indignation has come to the full! My anger is fully aroused and shall surely be poured out!… RECOMPENSE for all nations! RECOMPENSE for all these churches of men who have spoken presumptuously in My name! RECOMPENSE for all these corrupt workers who have done falsely on My behalf!… I HAVE NOT SENT YOU!
And you, O peoples of the earth, I have seen how you perform every form of evil at your leisure! You cease not from reveling in that which I hate! Behold, you murder the innocent day and night and plot evil against your neighbor! You stand up for the rights of those who commit abomination and clap your hands as wickedness is celebrated openly in the streets!… O MOST PERVERSE AND ABOMINABLE GENERATION, SHALL I NOT REPAY?!
THE TIME HAS COME!…
Hear the WORD of the LORD spoken to THIS modern generation!…
Letters from God and His Christ, given to a modern man for modern man’s sake!…
http://www.TrumpetCallofGodonline.com
http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=ABASEMENT
Report Post »FREEDOMoverFEAR
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:32pmI had a buddy that shot two gang bangers in Visalia, CA in self defense. He sat in jail for 18 months until the charges were dropped. He had a 500,000 bail set and couldn’t afford it. I guess judges don’t understand what the constitution meant by “bail shall not be excessive.” All countries screw over their citizens it’s the nature of Government.
Report Post »1stfreedom
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:19pmWhy would anyone want to go to either Mexico or Canada? Hope it was worth it.
Report Post »TerryDo
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:41pmI will bet that you have never travel more than a 20 radius of your home.
Did he declare his gun crossing the border into Canada, are you permitted to transport a gun into Canada?
Report Post »If he declared his gun crossing into Canada then he should have declared his gun going back to America?
Or did he buy an illegal gun in Canada and tried to transport that gun into America?
FSM_47
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:16pmStupid gun laws and PC speech laws = two reasons to avoid Canada
Report Post »The_Jerk
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:52pmCanadians are pooftas.
Report Post »DAJ
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:48pmOh dont worry.. when the system comes crashing down just walk across. Dont worry about the Canucks or the Feds. There will be too much chaos for them to worry about you! Hell the system now ignores those that are illegal crossing the border so you should be fine:)
Report Post »saranda
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:43pmAny time you leaving the US you have to be completely hones with the customs officers.
Canada may appear the same as the US on the surface but they little tolerance for this kind of thing. Ask the Kalamazoo police officer, wawfa, who made a fool of himself by complaining in a letter to a local newspaper about not being allowed to carry his concealed weapon while visiting Calgary. The entire country mocked him.
Report Post »foxdogs
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:57pmActually it wasn’t the officer who made a fool of himself.
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:36pmI am a staunch supporter of gun rights. I believe in liberty and as such responsibility. This guy tried entering a foreign country with a gun. You only get one shot to do the right thing, that’s what responsibility means. He entered their country, now he must be held accountable to their laws. Such is the reality of liberty.
Excuses of being tired from a long ride is just that, an excuse, it doesn’t mean that he escapes the responsibility of it.
Just think, if a Mexican citizen with a valid passport tried to gain entry into the U.S. at first denied having a weapon but when they selected him for a search he said, “Oh wait, I got a gun”, we would expect him to be held responsible. Him saying he was tired wouldn’t work, otherwise everyone would use that excuse, whether true or not.
Best to make lemonade out of these lemons, you wanted to go to Canada, well enjoy your stay as best you can and pay your debt to their society.
Report Post »FREEDOMoverFEAR
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:34pmHe was reentering America when he was detained.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:15pm@freedomoverfear – no, be was entering Canada. If he were really entering the stages be would have been dealing with US officers and not ended up in a Canadian jail.
If he had declared it, they would have come fiscated it and it would have been sold at auction months later. I have a relative that works in a small border town in Alberta and he has great stories about the guns and other items they auction in these small towns.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:45pmSaranda, a declared weapon would be confiscated, a receipt issued and then returned against the receipt when the owner is going back to US. Only firearms that are confiscated because they weren’t declared, or were declared improperly (intent to deceive) aren’t returned and are consequently auctioned.
Report Post »TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:36pmHey I did a motorcycle trip to Canada when I was in my twenties. I called Canada to check on their gun laws. I ended up with a local constable of some sort and the conversation went something like this;
Me: I am traveling to your country on motorcycle from the US and want to know about your gun laws.
Constable: What are you hunting Aye?
Me: No I am not hunting, I have a handgun for protection.
Constable: (in a very angry tone) “You will be stopped at the border, your firearm will be seized and you will be imprisoned.”
Me: Chill out Dudley, I was just asking. Thank you, good bye……Aye.
The moral to the story: I left my gun at a friend’s house in Duluth…
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:38pmI wouldn’t have gone to Canada.
Report Post »TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:40pmI was kicked out of Canada shortly after crossing thier border, it seems they have helmet laws too..
Report Post »saranda
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:07pmAre you sure it was the helmet law they kicked you out over? I hear they have laws against being an idiot and not wearing a helmet on a motorbike would check off that box. My MD brother calls your type “organ donors”.
Report Post »tcharleyd
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 10:01pmIf you dont want to wear a helmet its your own business, not the gov’ts. We dont need big brother to babysit us
Report Post »TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 8:39amNow Sandra, no law makes you wear a bag over your head in public either, even if it might be a good idea and in the public’s best interest. And my brother the trial lawyer calls MD’s like your brother quacks.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:33pmOnce we cross an international border, we can expect that we will dealt with under that country’s laws. I lived on the US side of the Canadian border. The first time we crossed we just treated as the US. Only problem, the dog was in the car. We were denied entrance to Canada and denied re-entrance to the US because we didn‘t have the dog’s shot record. We finally were allowed to re-enter the US
Actions have consequences.
Report Post »mrspeedwagon
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:06pmEasy answer…Just shoot the damn dawg, with your smuggled handgun…wallaah you back in the USA
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:27pmSame with me going with my pet to US, paperwork must be presented (required shots and whole nine yards–2 forms signed by veterinary). As for guns, when entering US, if I did not declare and then “remembered” when US border officer is going to check my trunk, I’d be in soooo much more doodoo then this dude. I’d be deemed a “terrorist” and likely sentence correspondingly.
The dude is trying to find excuses instead of facing the dissonant music. Check the laws, and that applies Merkins and Canucks alike on the respective other side of the border.
Report Post »JosephsMyth
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:52pmYou are absolutely right Dismayed Veteran. If you have ever PCS’d into or out of AK and drive thru Canada the Army warns everyone about Canadian gun laws. I can’t recall how many times you are told not to mess with Canada and just to ship your weapons — every single briefing hammers on it. It’s not worth try to take guns into Canada. Unfortunately this young man will have to pay for not understanding that crossing a border has consequences.
Report Post »snufy
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 11:14pmI was in the Air Force in Grand Forks, ND, which was a SAC base. We had a plane go down in Canada. Before we took a helicopter up there to guard it, the Canadians told us, the Air Police, not to bring our weapons with us. We took them anyway. I was expecting the RCMP to throw the US Air Force security police in prison, but they left us alone. Maybe they didn’t want us to invade Canada, again.
Report Post »Serenabit
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:32pmWhen will people learn that “gun control” as an issue is only perpetuated by totalitarian governments and/or naive followers. While I won’t speak to Canada as being a totalitarian government, they are in fact naive followers of failed European policy. The Swiss REQUIRE all adults to keep and maintain a gun and they have the lowest crime rates in the world.
This young man likely forgot that his weapon was with him because he had no reason to access it throughout his entire trip. Should he have needed it it would have saved his life or another’s, but now the price he is forced to pay for security (which should be guaranteed by government) is a year of his life.
I’ll comply with all laws; but given the choice between defending my family and breaking the law, or become a victim, the choice is clear. My family will never cower in fear.
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:47pmAnd as such there may be times where you may realize you are breaking the law. Heck, there may be times where you are ignorant to the law but breaking it none the less. The question isn’t whether you will defend your family or not, the question is, will you hold yourself accountable to the laws of your country if at some point you realize you were in violation. That’s what it takes to live your oath to this country where no man is above the law, including yourself.
Think about that. If more people lived that way, our laws would be much more different. But most people don’t live that way, at least it seems anyways. So it has to start with someone, will you be selfish and say “I won’t.“ or will you be unselfish and say ”Me first.” It’s going to be hard winning our country back, but we have to do it the right way. And the right way is by example. But that’s just my opinion.
Report Post »Targettarget
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:50pmWhat in the HELL are you talking about: “failed European policy”?
Good grief you people have your heads buried firmly up your asses.
You want to talk about failed European policy, talk about Europe. If you want to talk about the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world, talk about the US. Canada is neither. We’ve had a Conservative government for 6 years now and nobody up here bought into your Communist leaders “hope and change” policy of Marxism.
Failed European policy, I thought that Beck and The Blaze readers were supposed to be educated. LOL.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:13pmAs of April 6, 2012 the registration of non-restricted firearms is no longer required in any province or territory, except Quebec.
According to licences, firearms are classified into prohibited, restricted and non-restricted categories. Note: The word “prohibited” is a classification and does not indicate that such firearms are “prohibited” as per the normal use of the word.
Prohibited firearms include:
Handguns with a barrel length inferior to 105 millimetres (4.1 in), or; that are designed to discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition; Exceptions are stated in the Regulations Prescribing Exclusions from Certain Definitions of the Criminal Code International Sporting Competition Handguns
Rifles and shotguns that have been altered by sawing, cutting or any other means, so that: the barrel length is inferior to 457 millimetres (18.0 in) (regardless of overall length), or; the overall length is inferior to 660 millimetres (26 in)
Firearms which have fully automatic fire capability, or “converted automatics” (i.e.: firearms which were originally semi-automatic, but have been modified to discharge ammunition in a automatic fashion)
Restricted firearms are: Any handgun that is not prohibited (note: handguns are restricted, or prohibited if the barrel length is inferior to 106 mm, handguns cannot be non-restricted).
Non-restricted firearms are: any other rifle or shotgun, other than above.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:38pmIOW, Canada doesn’t have civil disarmament policy such as UK or Australia. The prohibitions and restrictions may be annoying to wade through, but I have a few “prohibited” pieces, legally registered as collector items, beside 3 non-restricted rifles that I am no longer required to register.
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:31pm…
Report Post »How do you forget that you have a gun with you?
Come on man, I’m not buying it!
A responsible gun owner knows where his gun is at all times.
KevINtampa
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:36pmDING! DING! DING!
We have a winner!
Report Post »CatB
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:41pmReally .. you have never almost forgotten something important … he caught himself and remembered that he should declare it … it wasn’t on his person it was locked away …
Report Post »KevINtampa
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:53pm@CATB
If you want lighter gun laws, people need to be responsible. Making an excuse for someone forgetting that they carry a gun is almost as irresponsible as forgetting you’re carrying a gun.
You only get one chance to do the right thing. After that you can only ask for forgiveness. Making excuses is a bad way to ask for forgiveness.
Report Post »randy
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:53pmEXACTLY!
Report Post »The only reason he admitted to it was because the second officer was going to search.
If you carry a gun, KNOW THE LAWS where you travel.
RedNeckMormon
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:05pmI conceal carry where and when I can, and you are absolutely right. I know where my handgun is at all times no matter how tired I am. Hope he gets to come home soon. Common sense is no where to be found these days.
Report Post »CanAm
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 3:21pmI don’t buy it, either..
Report Post »If you somehow have ‘forgotten’ you’re in possession of a firearm,
when you arrive at the Canadian side, you see large signs prominently displayed saying ‘ALL FIREARMS MUST BE DECLARED’.
You would think that would jog your memory, assuming you can read English or French.
blazetoo
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:29pmIn El Paso, the bridge is very easy to cross but hard to turn around before you are inside Mexico. Recently a man carrying a truck load of bullets bound for Phoenix, took the wrong lane and tried to turn around. He couldn’t, and declared to both sides that he had ammunition and asked to turn around. The Mexican side let him in and slammed him into jail.BTW ammunition is banned in Mexico, and just 1 bullet is cause to land you in jail. Being a CCW holder I stay away as far as I can.
Report Post »Duddio
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:19pmYeah, I lived in Mexico for 17 years, & guns are illegal. Many people have one, & the cartels have the biggest and baddest. So, when we make guns illegal in the USA, do you think all the gangs, drug dealers, immigrant smugglers, organized criminals, two-bit hoodlums & serial killers will give theirs up?
For a country with some of the strictest gun laws in the world, Mexico sure is awash in military-grade hardware…..
Report Post »fancynancy
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:27pmI wish the USA was so strict. then maybe we could build that wall and start deporting illegals. But no, we are too ‘compassionate” to protect our country from infiltrators all the while subjecting our own citizens to outrageous searches and humiliations to travel by air. Sick.
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 6:14pmAMEN on this ONE!!!!!
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:23pmWe are living that ancient Chinese curse. “May you live in interesting times.”
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:21pmBlaze report indicates that the gun was “not” illegal, so his only crime was “forgetting to mention” that he had the gun?….Canadians need to get a grip.
Report Post »TheLeftMadeMeRight
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:43pmHandguns are forboten in Canada.
Report Post »Targettarget
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 7:54pmYou need to get a grip.
What part of “he crossed an international border and entered a DIFFERENT COUNTRY” are you failing to understand?
What do you think would happen to me if I crossed with one of my handguns into the US without declaring it or having the proper certification? You think the USBP would give me a high-five and send me on my way? LOL. They’d cuff me and stick me in a holding cell just as quickly as what happened to this guy.
Than I’d come on The Blaze and start beaking off about how “Americans need to get a grip”, right? That only makes sense.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:17pmCanada has some whacked out stuff. A lot of their people consider saying anything negative about homosexuality to be worse than committing murder, rape, robbery, etc.
Report Post »Atrum Angelis
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 5:31pm… I don’t know where you got that one from, but committing murder, rape, etc, if far worse than saying something negative about homosexuality. Yes, Canada has hate speech crimes, but the crime isn’t handed to anyone who says they disagree with it because: its a sin, disgusting, immoral, etc.
Report Post »Targettarget
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 8:02pmAs a Canadian, I‘d like to say that you’re an idiot.
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on August 21, 2012 at 9:57pmhttp://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/sep/09091610
Looks like Targettarget is the idiot on here.
And hate speech crime laws are nothing more than thought policing laws.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on August 22, 2012 at 5:14amGit, have you read the whole article?
What part of “On Sept. 2 (2009), the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (CHRT) ruled in a separate case that section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, Canada’s human rights legislation against hate messages, unreasonably limits the Charter right to freedom of expression.” was unclear to you?
As of now, the HRC’s, the bastions of collectivist busybodies, a cancerous result of former socialism-lite past, are on a borrowed time and their heydays are coming to a close.
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