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‘Come On!’: Piers Morgan Panel Clashes in Fiery Gun Control Debate

Piers Morgan and Alan Dershowitz Clash With Other Panelists in Fiery Gun Control Debate

On Tuesday, the gun control debate raged on as CNN’s Piers Morgan once again called for stricter gun laws in the United States following the Sikh temple shooting. The topic sent the entire “Piers Morgan Tonight” panel into a heated argument, both sides refusing to compromise on their views.

“We’re seeing a pattern here of people who are clearly mentally disturbed in some way, lawfully purchasing handguns. We saw it with Jared Loughner, with James Holmes in Aurora, with Wade Michael Page now… What can we do about this?”

“Well, first of all, it’s very dangerous to try and preventatively detain people based on predictions on what they are likely to do in the future. That leads to tyranny in many kinds of societies,” panelist and criminal defense attorney Alan Dershowitz replied.

While that is a very valid point, Dershowitz then argued that “gun control” would have the “least negative impact on civil liberties of America.”

Then Morgan turned to panelist and attorney David Kopel and asked how “pro-gun” people could possibly think there was no need for action on gun control after two mass shootings in less than a month in the United States.

Kopel said he agreed that the issue is urgent, but there’s a need for a solution that is “intelligent and thoughtful” and not one that infringes on the rights at law-abiding gun owners. He added that future gun laws should strengthen protections for responsible gun owners and limit them for criminals and mentally unstable people.

Panelist Dan Baum then jumped in the debate and said what no one ever seems to do is “listen to gun owners.”

“Forty percent of American households own guns — very, very few of those people commit crimes with them,” Baum said. Gun owners identify very strongly with their guns, now you can like that or not like that, but they take a tremendous amount of pride in being able to live alongside these very dangerous tools and not hurt anyone.”

Using Dershowitz as an example, he said anti-gun advocates have a nasty habit of telling responsible gun owners that they can’t be trusted with guns. The reaction from gun owners is, Baum said, “to hell with you.”

On the defense, Dershowitz then compared gun laws to speed limits, saying very few people who go over the speed limit kill people but they are in place to prevent those things from happening. As he gave his analogy, Baum looked perplexed.

Piers Morgan and Alan Dershowitz Clash With Other Panelists in Fiery Gun Control Debate

(Left to Right) Alan Dershowitz, David Kopel, Dan Baum

“At what point do you try to say to Americans, the right to bear arms, according to the Constitution, doesn’t mean the right for crazy people to really go into gun stores, buy hand guns and assault weapons, whatever it may be, and go blow up Sikh temples or movie theaters?” Morgan asked.

Kopel used England’s extremely strict gun regulations as an example, saying the violent crime rate increased significantly after the country implemented gun control.

“Hang on, hang on, hang on,” Morgan interrupted. “You used this with me last time, and it’s completely untrue.“ He added that gun crime is on a ”rapid decline” in England.

But Kopel refused to back down and said there are more burglaries in the U.K. because of the restrictive gun laws. At this, Morgan grew visually frustrated, calling Kopel’s argument “fatuous.”

“You call something ridiculous but you don’t even know the studies,” Kopel said.

“I do know the studies, I’ve lived in Britain most of my life,” Morgan shot back. “Trying to draw some parallel between the burglary… rates in Britain because we don’t have guns, what would you suggest? We go and arm everyone in Britain to kill everyone that burgles their house? Come on!”

Watch some of fiery segment via CNN here:

(H/T: Mediaite)

This story has been updated.

Comments (108)

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  • Socco
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:37pm

    “I do know the studies, I’ve lived in Britain most of my life,” Morgan shot back. “Trying to draw some parallel between the burglary… rates in Britain because we don’t have guns, what would you suggest? We go and arm everyone in Britain to kill everyone that burgles their house? Come on!”

    Yup.

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    • Rickfromillinois
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:53pm

      You wouldn’t have to kill all of them. Kill 1/2 of them and the other 1/2 would stop burglarizing people’s homes.

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    • turkey13
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:54pm

      If these kind of people want to kill they will figure out some way to do it. This idiot at the Batman show could have strapped a bomb on and done as mush if not more damage. It could have been an employee that could have sprinkeled arsenic on the pop corn. It could have been a Jim Jones and slipped a deadly poison in the drinks – the last 2 sceaneros could have killed nearly everyone in the show. As a last resort he could have slipped into the rows of viewers and used a razor knife – start at the back and work forward.

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    • lukerw
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:21pm

      Morgan is No Gentleman… for he will not Fight a Duel!

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    • desertspeaks
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:46pm

      Morgan is a gun grabbing communist who won’t be happy until his control freak fetish of telling everyone what to do is satisfied! Live like me, be a future victim with no way to defend yourself.. then you can call the police IF YOU SURVIVE and report the crime!
      Morgan is a useful idiot of tptb

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    • SgtB
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 7:58pm

      It wouldn’t work to arm everyone in Britain so they could defend themselves. It wouldn’t because they are all subjects of a crown and have no self declared rights to life, liberty, or property. Just last year, a man was being attacked and robbed in his own home; when he fought back and stabbed one to death, he was sent to prison on murder charges. Although, with men like Jerome Ersland going to prison here for murder 1 charges because they shot a 17 year old thug who was moments before aiming a revolver in his face at work, I begin to seriously doubt if we are not on the same albeit slightly delayed path.

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    • themongoose
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 11:12pm

      Sounds like combining personal protection and gene pool cleansing.

      That’s what I call a win-win situation.

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    • do_it_all_again
      Posted on August 9, 2012 at 2:33am

      “what would you suggest? We go and arm everyone in Britain to kill everyone that burgles their house? Come on!”

      YEP !! It would certainly slow the burglaries down,, if not stop them

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    • ginger100
      Posted on August 9, 2012 at 3:05am

      Only Kings, Lords and wealthy land owners should be allowed to own guns not the small peasants. Crush the christian racist, anti gay tea party rebels. Ala Aqbar! LA LA LA LA LA! Long live our supreme muslim leader! Conqueror of America!

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    • KURT1010
      Posted on August 9, 2012 at 6:01am

      I didnt like Larry King, but this guy is too much and has hardly no followers…check the the viewing on his show….

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    • Out2Sea
      Posted on August 9, 2012 at 6:41am

      If I might politely add…………….Hell YES

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    • black9897
      Posted on August 9, 2012 at 3:43pm

      Dear God people…this is not a debate. Gun control has not, nor will it ever work. This is a fact. Please, move along. It’s none of your business if I carry open, concealed in any state regardless of what the “law” says.

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    • nzkiwi
      Posted on August 10, 2012 at 4:32am

      @ SgtB

      Ersland shot one of the robbers who was threatening him and his staff. The guy went down unconcious, and Ersland chased the other guy outside but could not catch him. In that, he is to be commended for his courage in saving himself and the staff.

      He went back inside, stepped passed the unconscious robber, got another gun, went over to the robber and shot him five times in the chest at close range. That is murder.

      The incident was caught on camera.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBBlEhmWNQ&feature=player_embedded

      I totally agree with the sentiments being expressed here, and would decry any encroachment on the 2nd Amendment, but yours was not a good example.

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  • Dont_you_tread_on_me
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:29pm

    Liberals need to get over it. The Second Amendment is an individual right. The first clause re: militia is the justification, not a limitation.

    How do I know it’s an individual rather than a state right? Maybe because it says “the people” and when the founders meant “the States” they said it directly, as in the Tenth Amendment.

    Ultimately, government is about power. The Constitution apportions power between branches of government. The Bill of Rights apportions power between the government and the people. It not only seeks to protect the people from government power in their daily lives, eg 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Amendments, it preserves the right and the power of the people to challenge the government. It protects the right for an individual to criticize both verbally and in print, for a group to assemble and protest and ultimately provides the means for armed resistance. If you don’t think they deliberately provided for that possibility then you should re-read the Declaration of Independence.

    The reality is that the Bill of Rights is under attack. (Viz the law Obama just signed attempting to criminalize the West Baptist Church’s protests) The tragedy is that our society has become so polarized that each political tribe only tries to protect the parts of the Constitution that it likes and engages in tortured readings to hamstring the parts that it doesn’t, e.g., banning assault rifles doesn’t impact the right to hunt.

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    • Radiant.Simplicity
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:36pm

      The Federalist papers say it all! The 2nd amendment was not referring to just militias. I wish some of these anti-gun loons would go and get educated!

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    • justangry
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:44pm

      Well said. Especially the last paragraph. It‘s like each party takes a chunk out of a different portion of the Bill of Rights when they’re in power. Since 9/11 both parties have just declared so much of our right null and void. I think we’re going to have a hard fight retaining what we have left and getting what we lost back.

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  • NILAP
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:11pm

    Burglars would then definitely arm themselves knowing that they might be met with bullets. And would be more apt to kill those in the house to prevent the occupants from locating their guns. It would stop burglars who do not want the potential of a murder rap, so only burglars who are willing to possibly get shot will remain.

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:21pm

      The only type of homes that get broken into and robbed around here (Montana) are vacation homes or people’s homes while they are on vacation….

      It must be because we have nicer crooks around here, and has nothing to do with the fact that almost every house here has some sort of firearm in it……

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    • Jaedin
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 4:11pm

      I must disagree with your premise. Burglary is a crime of opportunity. Often, these criminals are not thinking in the terms you mentioned. There intention is to get-in and get-out as soon and with as much as possible. My belief is, these criminals are less likely to enter a home where they believe firearms are present. Although, I am sure there are people with the inclination to enter a home or business whether firearms exist or not. These criminals have much further reaching intentions than just burglary im sure. In the first example…woe is the criminal. In the second case woe is the home owner without a firearm. Ill keep mine…just in case.

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  • GetA2J
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:06pm

    Why are there no mass shootings at guns shows? Why are there no mass shootings at gun shops? Why are there no mass shootings at gun ranges? Whay are there no mass shootings at U.S.P.S.A. (United States Practical Shooting Association) matches? Why are there no mass shootings at S.A.S.S. (Single Action Shooting Society) gatherings? The common element? Legally owned guns carried by caring, compassionate law abiding citizens……in great numbers. Why is this corellation so difficult to comprehend?

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    • nospyme
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:19pm

      Perfect answer! You hit the nail right on the head there sir!

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    • merrick
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:21pm

      Progressives have a difficult time with facts. They don’t like the way they conflict with their ideology. It’s not at all about following truth wherever it may lead. Doing that threatens to steer them off course. The mythical land of Utopia really does exist in their minds (usually after a few bong rips) and they aren‘t’ about to let something as trivial as facts spoil that.
      Like it or not, the fact remains that crimes of scale involving guns happen in “gun free” zones and/or in towns with restrictive gun laws.

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    • rc30
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 7:38pm

      You all are looking past there real goals. That want gun control so they can do what ever they want. Its not about protecting you. Its all about control. They know that a armed man will not be robbed. But a unarmed man will be. Most of the LIBS know the numbers. Its a poven fact that the UK gun control has added to the crime rate. Its been poved that the ones that didn’t turn in there guns and have used them to save them self. Go to jail for saving there own life.
      Just like fast and furious. It was ment to get more gun control. Anyone who have watched the case know this. Its crazy times we live in. The thing you need to ask your self. Are you willing to give everything for your freedom. Because I say with in 5 to 10 years if things keep going this way. You will have a choice and it will not be a easy one to make. Just like 2010 when they where saying all the gun going to mexico. Was us the people where doing staw buys. You heard it all over the news every day. Come to find out it was are own GOV doing it. Right after officer Terry death you never heard that any more. Think GOD for the whistle blowers in this case. But they where trying to pin this on the people. Before they got caught with there hand in the cookie jar.

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  • TheEDGE
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:06pm

    A slight rewording of the question for Quiers Morgan- What would you suggest? We go and disarm everyone in America and SHOOT anyone who doesn’t comply?

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:25pm

      Oh god, don’t say stuff like that. The progressives will run with it because that’s exactly the kind of stuff that makes sense to them…

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    • 762x51
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:31pm

      What do you think their ultimate plan is anyway? Bill Ayers had that planned 30 years ago long before he mentored and groomed Comrade Chairman Obama for the presidency.

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  • texasderek
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:00pm

    Well… I think they should arm everyone in Britain so they can kill anyone who “burgles” their house… Yes… quite…pip pip and cheery-o…what ?

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  • JUSTANOTHEROPINION
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:57pm

    After viewing this CNN clip four times (because I thought maybe I missed something) I have only one question about Mr. Dershowitzs’ rant(rant=statement) and it is right to the point, WHAT?

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  • Ted H
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:51pm

    I go right to what musician Ted Nugent has alwys stated. Simply go to here the most opressive gun control is located and there you will find the highest crime. Look at Chicago! These facts can be garnered from the FBI statistical tracking on crime.

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  • rockmanlinux
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:51pm

    I’ll have to find the whole thing. But the speed limit thing just doesn’t work here. We aren’t taking cars away from everyone just because one guy speeding did kill a family. So why guns? Agenda…thats why. Plain and simple.

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    • 762x51
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:35pm

      Next time you hear that argument, ask the ******* making it if they think every car should have analcohol interlock because some people drive while intoxicated. That is the same argument, punishing people who don‘t drink and drive and even those who don’t drink at all because some one MIGHT drink and drive. As many people die from alcohol related driving wrecks as are murdered with firearms every year.

      How many people would like to pay for that device, have it installed and go through the drill of blowing into it every time they start their car just so some other person with a drinking problem doesn’t drive drunk? Now they have some skin in the game, not just gun owners, libs are big on restricting

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    • rc30
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 8:08pm

      You have more peole die in speeding cars or street racing. Then people killed with guns. So his point has no case. People drinking and driving kill more people then guns. But you don’t hear Libs wanted to take away your cars. Wait in some places they do want your car gone. OPPS forgot they have there claws in everything.

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  • CrazyRabbit
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:50pm

    Yes Morgan. Allow law abiding people in England to own guns and YES the crime rate would drop drastically. At least for the gun owners.
    And yes the crime rate rose over 40 percent and some say now up to 70 percent after Englands gun laws went into effect. The government is really trying to toy with those numbers to make it look different also. Read up on home invasions and or robbery and those that got away. They don’t always count them as that would show a negative impact. LOL. Serious. ALL nations and cities and counties etc with gun bans ALWAYS results in more crime. Libs try to twist studies that show cities and countries in Africa etc that never did have many guns and therfore when the gun ban went into effect, no change. LOL. Read this stuff, you can’t make it up. These libs really do think that if guns were outlawed these crazies wouldn’t get guns and/or wouldn’t kill as many people. How bout you let me carry my gun everywhere I go and if a nut comes into a church or theater at least I’ve got a chance.

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    • Altair
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:03pm

      And yes, Morgan, allow Brits to own and use guns like free people again. Americans sent tens of thousands of private firearms to England in 1940, to arm the Home Guard in anticipation of German cross-Channel invasion. The Brits didn’t have their own guns; their country was virtually defenseless against German invasion after Dunkirque.

      Predictably, although each privately donated weapon had the owners’ names and addresses attached to them for return after the war, the Brit government destroyed all of them.

      You can’t fix stupid, on either side of the Atlantic.

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  • lukeshop
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:50pm

    Piers – - – Pack up your bags and get out of our country!!! Go back home!! We don’t want or need you.

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  • Carlinpa
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:50pm

    Liberals continue to prove their functional sub literacy of the human condition and facts. Liberals believe that you can control human behavior (internally motivated) with external controls it doesn’t work.

    Piers and dershowirz hate the idea of law abiding Americans be able to defend themselves and thereby lowering the prison population and saving countless lives. Studies have already shown, gun control = more crime less control = less crime. when will they acknowledge the facts.

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  • Uechi
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:49pm

    The left would like nothing more then a complete total ban on guns for the public. No amount of other gun control laws will satisfy them even though they will never admit it. There are literally thousands of gun laws on the books and they are not enforced, so new laws are a joke.. The abolition of the 2nd Amendment will insure a populace that can easily be controlled by those still with arms i.e. the military and the police. I have owned firearms my whole life and like 99.99 percent of the population I have never used them for nefarious purposes.The Government will get my guns when they pry them from my dead fingers along with millions more. I am so tired of these weenies who don’t have a clue.
    They would be the first to beg for protection from a criminal if they knew you were legally armed.Hey left get a life then take a gun safety course and buy a firearm JO’s.

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:48pm

    Then don’t bother to participate.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=293Irm-vxtE&feature=related

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:52pm

      Okay, didn’t agree with GUITARMASTER myself, but I didn’t think his post was anything that needed to be deleted.

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  • justangry
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:46pm

    Wasn’t Dershowitz on the board of the ACLU? I’ll have to look that up again, but think he was and it seems hypocritical for someone from the ACLU to promoting limiting the 2nd amendment. Meh, regardless I don’t agree with him. I understand these whackos that go on shooting sprees make a good case for it, they really don’t happen that often compared to the size of the population and number of guns out there. The media does an outstanding job of making sure everyone knows about each of these shootings and barrages us with images that cause a kneejerk reaction, I just don’t think it tells the whole story. But what do I know, I’m from a small farming community where we shot skeet in gym class and there were no males in school on the first day of hunting season.

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  • theamericanvision
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:46pm

    “Trying to draw some parallel between the burglary… rates in Britain because we don’t have guns, what would you suggest? We go and arm everyone in Britain to kill everyone that burgles their house?”

    –Yup.

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    • Altair
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:08pm

      Amazingly, there are several instances of Brits shooting home invaders with legally owned guns and being heavily prosecuted for doing so.

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:42pm

    If we get any more of these weekly shootings, I expect 0bama to wave his magic wand yet once again, and declare the 2nd Amendment as Unconstitutional. The Senate and half of the SCOTUS will applaud his audacity since it will be ‘the right thing to do’ too. The MSM will roll over, wagging their collective tails while kissing his ass as usual.

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    • barber2
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:40pm

      Remember, we’re talking about Mr. Executive Order Obama . He has found a way around one of his favorite targets ( of many ) , that ” Do Nothing Congress .”

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:24pm

      R.J. and Barber, wait until after the election, he‘ll have ’more flexibilty’ then.

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  • the_system_disconnect
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:42pm

    Um, Dershowitz, you certainly CAN’T stop people from speeding…. and you CAN’T stop the felons from having guns….

    THEREFORE, why do you want to take guns away from the responsible? Oh yeah, because you’re stupid…

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:29pm

      They are simply trying to push the narrative to a new level. They know their arguments hole is in having cities like New York is that the crooks just go somewhere else to buy guns. Which is true.

      They are trying to set up the narrative that in order to keep everyone safe, guns EVERYWHERE have to be restricted like they are in New York. That’s what that @$^ hat Bloomberg says in NY and why he is waging a war against law abiding gun shows in VA. Remember folks, watch the other hand with these snakes. They never mean what they say, and only rarely say what they mean….

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  • sawbuck
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:41pm

    Go back to Britain..
    Gun control always works…Right up until you need one..!

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  • Lowell1775
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:41pm

    The ******* girlymen should explain why NRA conventions and gun shows are not bloodbaths?

    Plus….know what….you have 3x greater chance of being struck by lightning than being killed in a rampage slaying.

    More distraction and kabuki dancing when we need real problems addressed.

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  • johnVMFA122
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:36pm

    “I do know the studies, I’ve lived in Britain most of my life,” Morgan shot back. “Trying to draw some parallel between the burglary… rates in Britain because we don’t have guns, what would you suggest? We go and arm everyone in Britain to kill everyone that burgles their house? Come on!”

    …That works for me. Enter my home uninvited and you won’t be leaving on your feet, I can promise you that much. Britain has become a nation of cowards and p u s s i e s. we need to protect our rights so that we stand ready to protect our liberties.

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    • johnjamison
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:47pm

      what would you suggest? We go and arm everyone in Britain to kill everyone that burgles their house? Come on!”
      That’s exactly what you do and give the people the power to killing those breaking in to their homes without fear of criminal charges. Something amazing will happen the death rate will climb for a short short while then drop and the burglery rate will drop drop drop …..in the end the law abiding citzens will be safer. The real question here is ..ARE THE GUN LAWS IN ENGLAND DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE LAW ABIDING OR THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT?
      Judging by that liberal douches question I think we all know that answer.

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  • SquidVetOhio
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:34pm

    “We go and arm everyone in Britain to kill everyone that burgles their house? Come on!”

    Uh yea, that’s kind of the point you twit.

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  • supermurder
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:34pm

    Attention Blaze writers and editors:
    It’s BEAR arms, not bare arms.

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    • RJJinGadsden
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:50pm

      Great, another typo Nazi. You and PEST_PATRIOT must have so much red Sharpie ink on your monitor screens by now.

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    • Joshua81
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:56pm

      You’re a freakin moron. It IS bare arms, not BEAR arms.. You think it’s a bunch of people running around with arms the cut of bears??? You’re an idiot. Get a dictionary.

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    • Altair
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:12pm

      Joshua, you’re going to be severely embarrassed when YOU get a dictionary.
      : )

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 6:06pm

      hahahahahaha

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  • tommyr
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:31pm

    Talk about some twisted logic. I listened to what Dershovitz said twice and it is more stupid the second time around.

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    • eagle2715
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:31pm

      Tilt your head sideways, put in ear plugs, then look at him cross eyed…. It might be clearer….

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  • kaydeebeau
    Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:30pm

    So someone who won’t follow the most basic moral law of “Thou shalt not murder” is going to follow secular laws any better? Adherence to the “10” eliminates the need for the 100,000,000s

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    • SquidVetOhio
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 12:39pm

      Uh oh, there is going to be a collective “Oh no he didn’t” amongst the athiests now. LOL

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    • AnimalsAsLeaders
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:01pm

      I don‘t know if I’d like having the 10 commandments as the basis of our legal system. It would eliminate freedom of religion, limit free speech, regulate businesses by telling them they can’t operate on Sunday, and make it illegal for me to be envious of something. I’m cool with the whole no killing, no stealing, no lying, no adultery stuff, but you certainly don’t need a story about a man with a beard and a couple stone tablets to make me not do any of these things.

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 1:48pm

      @ Animal….Wrong…for a none believer the first 4 still offer time tested principles

      1. Keep your priorities straight (thou shalt have no other gods before me)
      2. Be careful what you set up in your life to worship or think you can’t live without(Thou shalt not make idols)
      3. Be careful of your speech and think before speaking (Thou shalt not take the Lord’s name in vain)
      4. Remember to take time for rest and reflection – all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy (Keep the sabbath)

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    • The_Cabrito_Goat
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:16pm

      I just wish all skeptics were this civil about disagreement. I‘m glad you didn’t come in troll ablazing, going “Bronze age myth hurrr durrr”

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    • kaydeebeau
      Posted on August 8, 2012 at 2:22pm

      @ Animal …one other thing. I recommend this book for a better understnding of the principles described in the 10 Commandments (as well as other principles from ancient Jewish Wisdom) Buried Treasure: Secrets for Living from the Lord’s Language http://www.rabbidaniellapin.com/product.php?id=15

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