Confusing Remarks Have Cain Under Fire
- Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:48pm by
Christopher Santarelli
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(AP) Herman Cain is learning the hard way what it means to face the glare of the national spotlight.
After captivating Republicans hungry for an alternative to 2012 GOP presidential front-runner Mitt Romney, Cain has made a series of stumbles that have left some questioning whether he’s ready for the White House.
His words and actions have drawn more scrutiny since his rise in the polls catapulted him into the top tier of the race for the party’s white House nomination.
But Cain has sometimes appeared to be in over his head. Consider what’s happened over the past week:
—He suggested electrifying a fence along the U.S. border with Mexico to kill illegal immigrants trying to enter the United States. Cain later called it a joke on Meet the Press, and apologized if anyone was offended by the remarks:
—He said he would negotiate for the release of U.S. prisoners held by terrorists, then reversed himself and said he had misunderstood the question.
—He muddied the water on abortion. He told CNN that while he strongly opposes abortion, “the government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.” He later issued a statement reiterating his opposition to abortion. CNN Video of Herman Cain’s confusing abortion stance expressed in an interview with Piers Morgan:
—Amid criticism that his 9-9-9 tax overhaul would force the majority of Americans to pay more to the government, he reworked the plan to exclude the poorest people and to allow some deductions. Backers of Cain’s original plan had praised its simplicity, and carving out exceptions could erode that support.
Through it all, Cain has appeared unflappable. He chalks up the reversals to the breakneck pace of the race.
“In a couple of instances … I misspoke because of the pace of the interview. I don’t call it a flip-flop. I’d rather come back and explain to people what I really meant,” Cain said Friday after an economic speech in Detroit. “It doesn’t send mixed messages. It just shows that I’m willing to correct myself … if in fact I need to correct myself for clarity. That‘s what I’m trying to achieve.”
For those in the GOP still in search of a candidate to back, his rocky rollout on the national stage has reinforced the view that Cain, who’s never won an election, isn’t ready for the big leagues.
“I‘m looking for someone that’s electable and right now I don’t think he fits into that category,” said 60-year-old Gene Carkeet of Memphis, Tenn., who attended a recent Cain rally there but remains undecided.
Gwen Ecklund, Republican chairwoman in Crawford County, Iowa, said Cain “has had a bad week.”
“I do think it made some people take a second look,” she said.
Cain’s stumbles come as the campaign of rival Rick Perry shows signs of renewed vigor.
The Texas governor has plummeted in public opinion polls as Cain has climbed. But Perry turned in a spirited and combative debate performance at a recent forum in New Hampshire and plans to detail his own tax reform proposal relying on a flat tax under which everyone would pay the same income tax rate.
Cain and Perry are competing for support from tea party groups and evangelical voters.
Ralph Reed, a Republican strategist who founded the national Christian Coalition and now heads the Faith and Freedom Coalition, said Cain is going through the growing pains that come with sudden national exposure.
“It’s a learning curve for any candidate who moves from the back of the pack to front of the pack,” Reed said. “You undergo the political equivalent of a GI tract exam … where every word is weighed and chewed over and scrutinized.”
Reed said that after months of jumping on every media appearance offered, Cain and his staff must now limit his exposure and hammer home carefully honed talking points.
That’s a tall order for a man who has spent years as a conservative radio talk-show host, saying what was on his mind and scoring points for being provocative.
Whether Cain’s willingness to retool his 9-9-9 tax plan will be seen as a strength or a weakness is an open question.
“I guess we’ll see what the polls say next week,” said Grover Norquist, head of Americans for Tax Reform. Norquist had been critical of Cain’s original proposal.
Not everyone is disheartened by Cain’s missteps. Kay Godwin, co-founder of Georgia Conservatives in Action, said she is still solidly behind him.
“”Look at Romney and Perry at the last debate. They can’t even be civil to each other on a stage in front of a national audience,” Godwin said. “At his core, Herman has the heart to save this country.”
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Comments (294)
MerryJ1
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:58pmI saw and heard a replay of Cain’s remarks about abortion, and nothing he said was confusing or contradictory to me. I share his sorrow that abortion is the law of the land, but recognize that it is; and I applaud his determination to abide by the limitations placed on every elected (or appointed) official by the US Constitution. I just wish every official would realize that their sworn oath to “defend, support and uphold” that cornerstone and charter of our national existence is supposed to mean something.
That factor alone puts Herman Cain heads and shoulders above most candidates for any/every government post.
Report Post »Jefferson
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:11pmYou sound like someone defending Ohmamma’s policies.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:11pmOnly those who can’t read or hear are confused about his postions. When you read the dialogues in their entirety or listen to the whole thing you will see that there is not confusion. Most of this so called “controversy” is related to Mr. Cain continuing to answer a question asked about previous comments then interrupted by another question with the clueless adding the first answer to the the 2nd question…Geez they will stop at nothing to slander and attack those they fear the most
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:18pmStossel: If a woman is raped, she should not be allowed to end the pregnancy?
Cain: That’s HER CHOICE. That is not Government’s choice.
Obviously Cain contradicted himself.
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:20pmStossel who is a very fair reporter was even confused with Cain’s remarks.
Report Post »TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:33pm“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are **** Life ****, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:40pm@MerryJ1…I agree with you 100%. I do think Ol’ Herm has a little work to do on trying to stradle that fence. He should have also said that at some point he would like to see a very conservative SCOTUS eventually overturn Roe v Wade, after all slavery was once the “law of the land”.
Herman Cain is still my 1st or 2nd choice, perhaps 8 years as veep could help sharpen his nuances. But then again he is getting a little long in the tooth…
Republicans 1865 – Slavery is immoral and unconstitutional.
Democrats and SCOTUS – Nah, slavery is fine by me.
Rebublicans 1973 – now – Abortion is killing an unborn child.
Democrats and SCOTUS1973 -now- Nah, just a non viable tissue mass, never mind that thump-thump thump-thump, just kill it!
However this is not the hill that we want to die on right now. It seems like every election cycle the GOP gets dragged into this old loser of a discussion. This time we need to focus on winning and the main priority of fixing the economy.
Cain/Gingrich 2012 (Newt can be Herman’s Dick Cheney)
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:40pmHerman Cain is less prepared to be POTUS or even VP than I would say 80% of the people who come on the Blaze. He stumbles badly with these softball questions and if not even close to up to speed on either domestic or foreign issues. He also says that people are having a hard time understanding his 999 plan. I will agree that some do not but they are made up mostly of his supporters.
Report Post »TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:41pmThe charter of our national existence is the Declaration of Independence. It clearly states why governments are instituted among men.
Report Post »saranda
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:47pmYou cannot defend his comments nor try to call them clear and understandable when even Mr. Cain has attempted to add clarity on the apparent “flip flops” calling them “having mispoke”. The man admits his own problems and you only look foolish suggesting it was clear the first time out.
Report Post »oneshiner
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:59pmI agree with exactly what Cain said. I also do not believe in Abortion, but there’s no way this Nation is gonna put a complete stop to it. I‘m happy enough to know I won’t have to pay for it and become a part of the dirty work. People have to be responsible for themselves at some point, otherwise it’s a Nanny state.
Report Post »You can mandate people stop horrid acts, but somehow they’ll find a way to do whatever they want. Make ‘em pay for their own abortions and maybe they’ll be more careful when they know the good people of the USA are no longer paying for their easy to get, paid for abortions.
Look at the drugs on illegal market and how easy they are to get. I don’t approve of that either, but there’s no way, apparently, we can control it. It’s all up to the individual choice. Can we really afford to keep putting people in jail for what they’re bound to do again when they get out?
We must find a better way to control all the sickening problems, especially late term abortions.
bnaboy
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:01pmMerryj1- I couldn’t agree with you more. Mr Cain has been very deliberate in making his PERSONAL OPINIONS (such as abortion) known yet acknowledging that the law of the land prevails. I can’t help but believe that folks are getting nervous about the polls “raisin’ Cain”… he must be striking a nerve!
Report Post »mils
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:15pmIt doesn’t seem to matter what Cain says…Obama/liberals are afraid of him…a black man that has a background..friends, made a success of his business life. He would be a positive influence on the black youth of the world…whereas Obama can only teach dependency.
Conservatives…well, there really is no excuse at this point. Cain speaks his mind and people are not use to that. I like him one day, dislike the other…I have not made up my mind..only hoping for a strong conservative candidate..not another McCain/romney/michelle/paul….i want to have a candidate that can actually win..Perry..well, Perry has a better chance, but i think he’s going to lose to obama because of debating skills. Which we need to gt over. We need to look at what the candidate has accomplished in their life..where did they start?
Report Post »Cain won’t be the nominee, but it’s nice to hear someone speak their mind and call it as he sees it..
Hobbs57
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:15pmThis is the fear I had with Cain. Not that I personally care, I would still vote for the man, but the media and voters, including many on this site, want everything to be black and white. I know Cain will get slammed if he was to have to play against the dirty Democrats, but maybe the people would see through that. Meanwhile, so many want to slam Mitt for trying to straddle the fence. Honestly, I can’t stand listening to Rose anymore as she bashes Romney at every turn. Like so many on here do as well. I often wonder just how much the people I feel most aligned with really consider the whole spectrum of life. I have been through a great deal of experiences in this life and taken the time to talk to all people at all levels of this journey. That is from being homeless to being on the cover of New York Times Magazine. As much as I am a libertarian at heart, I am just as much an American. As an American I understand we have a certain moral integrity of which we uphold. Since WWII, we have a certain work ethic we uphold, along with a great compassion to give others what we have. It is that process, trying to give others what we have, that has caused our liberal lean. But I digress, Look, Romney quit his work and took care of his wife and all her duties for over a year while she was down with MS. The man can’t be bought out, he doesn’t seek power like that, if you know Mormons and the types, you know who Mitt is. Get Mitt(Cain) in, save our nation from Obama, then RUBIO 2016,
Report Post »Jefferson
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:23pmAbortion is a wedge issue, that they can keep the peeps squabbling over. It’s going to be the least of our worries, when there’s a dollar collapse and blood in the streets. They’re trying to bring the house down around our ears, and people don’t even realize it. It doesn’t matter which side gets in, they control BOTH of them, from the committee chairmen and up.
Report Post »The TPTB and their lapdog media offers you Strawberry (Perry), Vanilla (Romney), or Chocolate (Cain) All three flavors of BS.
Mark my words.
Paul/ Napolitano 2012
Restore The Constitution
America has a virus. It’s time to reboot. Hit the reset button, before it crashes.
Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:24pmIf Cain said that abortion was wrong but that making it illegal created more problems than it solved, The William F. Buckly position on marijuana, I could understand that. I wouldn’t agree with it but I could accept it. We have biiger problems for the President to be working on which need to be handled at that level. Fine. that would be a basic libertarian position.
If he said that abortion should be handled by the states and his opinion even as President should have nothing to do with it, OK. That’s a strong Federalist argument. I could accept that.
If he said that abortion should be illegal and the government should protect innocent life even in the womb, great, I’m there with him.
The problem is that he doesn‘t take any one of these positions but mixes them up without acknowledging thta he’s doing that. He sounds like he doesn’t understand the issue well at all. I don’t get it. As I said, I can accept him as President no matter which position he takes, as long as he isn’t actively SUPPORTING abortion like Obama and Clinton. But what worries me is that he is remaining confused in his language on a very important issue.
What does this say about his ability to learn? I want to beleiev in him, but i need reassurance, not just blind denial.
Report Post »dogpatch65
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:31pmI don’t understand. Are we supposed to believe this is a federalism argument?
Report Post »http://markamerica.com/2011/10/22/the-question-of-federalism-and-abortion/
420 Patriot
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:30pmEveryone needs to stop and really think about the candidates views. If anyone has to move left, right, to the center or change a stance even once in order to please the people enough to be elected, they are lying to you. Aren’t all of you tired of broken campaign promises? There is only one candidate that tells the truth at all times and bases all his decisions on the Constitution. I do not have to say his name because I believe all of you know in your gut who it is. If we continue to do what we’ve always done, we will continue to get what we’ve always got. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. If we conntinue to elect candidates just because they sound or look better than the other, or fall into the follower category by believing their campaign rhetoric, we will end up electing another candidate that will do nothing but the same. The FED is the problem with our economy and it has to go. Audit, find the laws broken, prosecute and fine them the amount owed by the people. End the FED and the IRS.
Report Post »EyeofthePatriot
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 9:56pm@420
What is the background to your alias?
….. Honest question, because uh. yeah.
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:12pmI still only see one Candidate I like (yes you guessed right – Congressman Paul). Mitt Romney is a Democrat in disguise who is pro-war like Obama, pro-government healthcare, and pro-big government.
Cain appears to be breaking finance laws by taking contributions and sneidng them to his private company (story still unfolding). And Perry forces 13 yr old girls to take ******* shots. He’s bought and paid-for by Merck corporation.
That only leaves Obama and Paul as likable candidates, and I’m certainly not voting for Socialist Obama. :-o
Report Post »OpenRevolt
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:18pmGee FLIP-FLOPPER CAIN can’t get anything straight again?
9-9-9 plan is 3-3-3 for blacks and Mexicans?
http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2011/10/14/cain-blows-up-999-plan-with-empowerment-zones/
9-9-9 plan is 9-0-9 or ?-?-? for whoever he feels like?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/10/22/cain-dials-back-9-9-9-to-9-0-9/
He was for TARP and the BAILOUTS till he ran for Pres–oh wait CAIN LIED AGAIN?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/ron-paul-herman-cain-fed-audit-gop-debate_n_1006228.html
He is pro life except when it comes to actually being pro life?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/22/cain-stumbling-under-glare-national-spotlight/
He is a longtime member of liberal Reverend Wright style Church with Jesse Jackson and other nutjobs but doesn’t support it?
http://www.fox59.com/news/politics/wxin-herman-cain-the-liberal-church-of-herman-cain-20111018,0,5963417.story
Cain should retire from politics and do stand up comedy mocking Republicans. And you wonder why he has no experience in a non-affirmative action position?
This guy is just Obama with an R next to his name and his supporters are just a bunch of brainwashed Obama zombies with an R next to their names.
Thanks for destroying America and my children’s future Liberals and RINOs.You guys are two sides of the same coin.
Report Post »TunaBlue
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 11:15pmI’m not confused in the least. And I agree with his position. Let’s put this behind us and move on, please. Cain is the right person for the job.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 11:20pmLet’s be honest. Cain tried the libertarian position that abortion is an individual decision, not something for the federal government to restrict. That didn’t fly, so he switched his position. He didn’t “clarify” his position, he changed it.
This a recurring theme. He said communities have the right to prevent mosques from being built, in spite of the First Amendment, then “clarified” his remarks. He said he wouldn’t have a Muslim in his cabinet or nominate a Muslim for public office (a “religious test being something prohibited by the US Constitution) then “clarified” his remarks more in agreement with the law of the land.
Face it Cain fans. He’s rich and had the whim for run for President. And because of the pathetic and unpopular field of Republicans, he shot up to the top of the field as quickly as Perry fell. When he found himself near if not on the top, he suddenly found himself having to talk about serious issues, issues he hasn’t considered in depth before. Marketing pizza doesn’t make you an expert on the hardball politics of foreign policy, nor abortion.
He’s not ready from prime time. Sorry.
Report Post »TunaBlue
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 11:25pmCain is scaring the crap out of the Progressives. Every Progressive black commentator is crawling out of the woodwork to attack him, using the most pejorative terms imaginable. They know he will swing about 30% of the black vote, and if he‘s elected they won’t be going back to the Left, EVER. And that‘s the beginning of the evolution that will end the control of Uncle Sam’s Plantation.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 1:06amActually TunaBlue, democrats, including me, would love nothing more than Cain to be Republican candiate. Cain is confused, and not very firm in his beliefs. He‘s backtracked and reversed his position so many time it’s an issue with his candidacy. He’s not ready for prime time.
Sorry, you’re stuck with Romney. Learn to love him.
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 2:20amJEFFERSON Ron Paul -Dennis Kucinich 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18
Report Post »Why just just one kook when you can have two?
Chuck Stein
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 2:37am@ Republicorp
Report Post »Good one!
GETLIFE
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 5:15amWith Cain, at least we‘d be sure we don’t have a mindless ideologue like the current president. I am sick of the slick “got every answer down perfect” shoe-shined, fake smile politician. Nothing about Herman Cain bothers me. He’s honest. His answers aren’t down pat because he is not thinking in terms of political “voting blocks” like the robotic Romney/ Perry types.
The idea that ANY Republican or other conservative candidate has a chance of faring better in the msm than the others for any reason is just plain wrong. This story is a perfect example of how the maistream media dictates what our criteria should be in choosing a candidate. The voters are being divvied up into blocks–evangelical, pro this voters, or anti that voters–then told, well, if you are “anti- this or that” you’d better not vote for so and so….
Refuse to be part of a voting block. Refuse to be manipulated.
Report Post »smellycat
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 5:41amGetlife says it perfectly.
Report Post »Don’t let the media saddle us with another McCain!
Oh Say Can YOU See
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 10:09amThis article is misleading and loaded with negative undertones about Herman Cain. How about reporting the facts and leave the decisions to the American People? Shame on you Blaze.
Report Post »clarity2199
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 10:32amI don’t see why some people are confused or feel Herman Cain is contradicting himself, regarding abortion. It’s seemed pretty straight forward to me. Whether the woman decided to have an abortion or was raped…his stance is, ‘this should not be a government issue’.
Report Post »He is 100% right! That doesn‘t say he’s being pro-choice. What it means is get it out of the Federal mandate level! This should be left up to local affairs. People are too different and opinionated on this issue. So, why not leave it for the state to decide if they want to be pro-life or pro-choice??
I mean…doesn’t that make sense to anyone else? Why do I seem to be the only one that understands what he’s saying here?
The guy is pro life but trying to keep his opinion of it out of politics, but it’s not up to the president to decide this issue. I feel the same way. I am pro-life. In the 80s, pro life meant restricting the rights of those that might need to have an abortion. In the 90s it moved to pro-choice. But because it was a government issue, suddenly that meant we should have to pay for people to have an abortion. I’m sorry, but neither works for me.
I am pro-life, but I don‘t think that should force people to have a child under extremes of rape or other such medical problems that could risk the mother’s life. So, let the states decide! If you’re one belief and your state follows another belief…then move!
liberal_equals_liar
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 12:15pmJZS, nice try. Cain is beating Obummer in polls, where Romney is not. Democrats definitely fear Cain because he is a better man and a better choice for the country than “hope and change”. Cain actually understand how the economy works, rather than how it should work in a faiytale utopia nightmare that our current president believes in.
Report Post »But you keep believing your own lies – it amuses the rest of us.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 12:38pm@Republicorp
You have no honor. Keep your Paul bashing up troll. It is simply because you are too stupid to debate issues.
Why have 1 flip flopper (Cain) when we can have both (Cain/Romney).
That is all we need two liars in office.
No honor Republicorp, ObamaBot……
@Liberals_equals_Liars
No Cain does not know how the economy works. If he did/does he would of not said things were fine right before the bubble busted. Cain would not of criticized those protesting the bailouts (TEA) nor would he have supported bailouts (Crony-Capitalism). If you are honest you admit he was wrong in predicting the economy would be ok. We put Cain, Romney, or Perry on the Republican ticket, we will lose for all are crony-capitalists who supported bailing out the Banks. All are on record so please don‘t say they didn’t. Cain=Obama 4 more years.
Have a great day!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 3:37pm@LIBERAL_EQUALS_LIAR
Cain was clueless about the Recession in 2008
youtube.com/watch?v=IWHCDharO_k
Cain: So I Was Wrong About The Major Economic Crises. What Of It?
youtube.com/watch?v=kUwDg1LLk6g
Herman Cain doesn’t understand enough about the Federal Reserve
youtube.com/watch?v=PXH1DPJurO0
Where Did Herman Cain Get His Campaign Strategy?
Report Post »youtube.com/watch?v=mDww-2HassA
colt1860
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 3:40pmCain can lower and change the taxes and tax system all he wants. If he does not contain a plan to have huge spending cuts and critical elimination of unnecessary federal departments and agencies it doesn’t matter, we’ll still be in major debt. Heck, he can go with a 555 plan and it doesn’t matter because if the Fed keeps printing money into the economy we will just have higher inflation, and a hidden tax on the cost of our goods, while wages remain the same. He can have a phase 1 and 2 but if we don‘t know or have any control on how much money our private central bank is loaning to other foreign financial institutions or nations we will have to blindly trust that those other regions won’t default and keep us taxpayers with all the unpaid debt. Our dollar is a reserve around the world and any plan not including a return to sound money and sensible monetary policies will just further the devaluation and collapse of our dollar. To understand Government debt and you, watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bABJyRPmQyE
I wouldn’t be surprised if Cain flip flopped and changed positions again, like he did regarding TARP, Al Awlaki assassination, bank bailouts, raising the debt ceiling, housing bubble, gun rights, 2008 recession, Federal Reserve audit and foreign policy. I‘ve noticed that lots of Cain’s new followers also supported Perry before, and before Perry, they supported Romney. All these candidates change depending on the audience or topic of the da
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 3:50pm@REPUBLICORP So, Paul is stealing votes from Obama and getting people to support limited Government and Constitutional principles. Ok. So what. I thought that’s what candidates in a race are supposed to do to WIN in a general election. TRY TO GET THE MOST VOTES. AND TO TAKE VOTES AWAY FROM THE OTHER GUY. Heck, that’s one of the most American things to do. To persuade and convince voters to come and vote for you, and to abandon the other guy. Unimaginable, it is to me, how that can hurt anybody or our cause. Getting people to vote for a Constitutionalist Republican is seen as concerning? And once again, Paul has not personally been affiliated or associated with these groups or persons. Do you forget that we live in America, one of the most diverse Nations on earth, both socially and politically? We have free and open elections. Our Citizens, no matter the class, political or religious presuasion or stutus, may vote for whomever they want. And there’s nothing a candidate can do to stop them.
Report Post »traditionalrebel
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 6:10pmthe thing that’s becoming increasingly clear is that Cain is mostly an economic libertarian. there’s nothing wrong with that. he just hasn‘t thought about social issues as deeply and feels forced to pretend being something he’s not. it’s like ron paul pretending to be religious when he named his son after the most famous and powerful atheist of the 20th century.
the idea that his reponse was a well-constructed strict conservative constitutional conservative stance almost makes sense, right? maybe he was saying that he personally opposes abortion, but the President has no specific role and he can’t take any action in any given hypothetical case.
I almost bought that, until he recently came out and said that if a Constitutional amendment came to his desk as President, he would sign it into law.
Constitutional amendments aren’t signed into law by the President. It’s very much on purpose that way, and what the founders had in mind. It would be horrible if an Amendment could be ratified by the nation, and then crushed or affirmed by a single man. Most sane people on the right and left and everywhere in between would agree on that.
Because of that comment, I‘m back to believing that he’s just not thinking about what he’s saying, and just isn’t that serious about social issues.
Report Post »Fella
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:31am@ Traditionalrebel “Despite his father’s libertarian views and strong support for individual rights,[9][10] the novelist Ayn Rand was not the inspiration for Paul’s first name; he went by “Randy” while growing up.[11] His wife shortened his name to “Rand”.[9][12][13]”
http://youtu.be/IfQ04fmj9oc
So now Ron Paul is pretending to be religious and secretly supports atheism? You people are hilarious.
Report Post »trink509
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 11:33am@MERRYJ1 That is exactly what I got out of that interview – a man who understands that if elected President, he will take an oath to uphold the laws of our country. Unfortunately, legal abortion will be one of the things he will have to uphold. He would prefer it otherwise, but understands the constraints placed on the position he seeks.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 24, 2011 at 10:24pm@TRADITIONALREBEL Pretending to be religious? I think not,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnj-5z9NJoY
Report Post »SPOT_OF_TEA
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:53pmThats what you have to expect when a conservative goes on CNN….abortion questions…..Stay strong brother…we are with you….Don’t go all mushy on us and start trying to please the so called moderates…….Yiour poll numbers will keep going up as long as you keep it real…..Just don’t try to mince your words to try to please everyone……Just keep telling the truth and you can win.
Report Post »mad_hatter
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:36pmHere is something interesting about Conservatives. Do you remember Christine O’Donnell, ran as a Tea Party Candidate and beat an establishment figure in the Delaware election. ( http://url2it.com/imbb ) She has now come out to endorse Romney. She has donated money and spoken out for him. She said that he isn‘t ’getting a fair shake.’
Another Tea Party candidate has gone for Romney and has defended his record as a conservative. So what are they seeing that we aren’t seeing. I looked more into his record, I was willing to give him a second chance. Now I will support him if he wins the primary election.
Report Post »Ookspay
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:17pmGood points. I would love to see a Republican go on one of these MSM shows and when the pull that crap say “seriously? is this the game we’re gonna play? Abortion isn’t an issue in this election. Now quit trying to play gotcha and ask some pertinent questions or this interview is OVER!
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 9:26pmYeah yo, keep it real brah, ya feel me Herm ? pppffttt !!!
Report Post »UrsaMajor
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 4:17amI hope I am wrong.
I really, REALLY hope I am wrong.
But, it seems to me that Glenn Beck and the Blaze are doing everything in their power to help the mainstream media delegitimize Herman Cain over this abortion non-issue that has risen. It appears that the man who has been telling us to separate ourselves from the Federal government and the “system” now WANTS the Federal government and the “system” in complete control of the abortion issue.
Please… God Above… PLEASE I hope I am wrong! I would hate to think I’ve wasted 8 years defending Glenn and all his endeavors against the Progressives and the Republican Establishment sheep.
Report Post »capitalismrocks
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:52pmNo one plan or path is going to be prefect, unlike Obama who sets his mind to something and no matter how wrong he is, plods on….
Cain is showing he can be human and he can see that what he proposes and says can evolve, change and improve… The more I see of this man, the more I see a leader with a heart and more importantly – an ear that will listen to others, listen to improvements and MAKE improvements, admit he may not have THE perfect solution, but that better solutions can be made and improved as you go along. Cain is a human, opposed to Obama who thinks is a demigod and is immovable and unwilling to admit his faults and correct things for the good of the people.
Cain 2012
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:19pmI wouldn’t be surprised if Cain flip flopped and changed positions again, like he did regarding TARP, Al Awlaki assassination, Muslim appointment comment, bank bailouts, raising the debt ceiling, housing bubble, gun rights, 2008 recession, Federal Reserve audit and foreign policy. I‘ve noticed that lots of Cain’s new followers also supported Perry before, and before Perry, they supported Romney. All these candidates change depending on the audience or topic of the day.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:44pmTalking about plans and solutions. The media is trying desperately to influence our decision. Who have they ignored and dismissed although they have a steady and growing support base? I recommend that voters take a look at this man’s Plan. Whether you disagree or agree with the guy on some things, one thing is for certain, his Plan makes the most sense concerning huge spending cuts, ending welfare programs, not raising taxes, not creating new taxes, ending certain federal agencies and departments (Education,EPA, Energy, etc), slashing funds for other bureaucracies (FDA, etc), limiting the size of the federal workfoce, giving some things back to the States to take careof, and many other TEA Party advocated positions. One should look at his stance on cutting foreign subsidies wihtin context. He’s trying to save our economy and keep the US from going bankrupt. You can’t deny the effectiveness of the plan to help in those goals. Rush also said that this man is the only candidate that has proposed such a plan, which we Conservatives have been demanding for years now. There’s only one candidate who has been ignored and slandered by the mainstream media because he understands the root of the problem and wants to get rid of it, including the Federal Reserve. Definitely something interesting to look at, no matter your candidate of choice.
Report Post »notasheep
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:50pmThe liberal press does not want anyone but Mitt to be the republican nominee. All you have to do is look at how they are trying to find anything to bring down Mitt’s challengers. I feel the MSM will do anything to keep a real black man from facing Pres Obama. If Cain has a problem it is that he answers questions. He does not dodge them. He is refreshing and is needed. I do find it interesting that Joe the VP can say all sorts of crazy things that are not covered.
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:59pmOh give me a break. Axelrod and Obama has spent tons of resources slamming Romney and propagandizing Romney’s record along with Perry and the other Republican candidates. Fox initially embraced Perry and now they have turned Fox news into Cain’s World. If Romney wins the GOP it will be against the odds. Most of the storys regarding Romney are usually mean spirited in nature are back handed compliments.
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:33pmYou are kidding right? If not then you really are a sheep. The establishment, the lamestream and especially the Obama administration is hoping beyond hope that it is anybody but Mitt Romney. Mitt is the first very formidable opponent the establishment has more than their hands full fighting against since Ronald Reagan.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:48pmSo what’s the problem with being against abortion but yet believing the government should stay out of our personal moral decisions. That does not mean the government has to leave abortion legal to enable you to kill your baby. Stupit insanity! The libs will try to twist anything they can. I hate the liberal mind….you libs ALL SUCK!
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:40pmSo explain how making abortion illegal is the government staying out of that decision. I’m all for making it illegal. that doesn‘t mean I’m for any specific type of penalty for breaking the law. But there’s no way you can say the government is staying out of it if it is making the practice illegal.
Which is it?
Report Post »saranda
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:52pmIsles – if you keep bringing sound thinking onto this board you might find yourself banned, or you could cause a few heads to explode.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 9:31pm@saranda.. Yes Islesfordian 2012 !!! Go Isles
Report Post »UrsaMajor
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 4:33amThe FEDERAL government should have NOTHING to say about the legallity of abortion. Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned and that power RETURNED TO THE STATES, DAMMIT!
Anyone who wants the FEDERAL government to make abortion illegal is just as much of a Progressive Fascist as those who want the FEDERAL government to make late-term abortion legal. A Statist Sheep is a Statist Sheep no matter which position you take.
Report Post »welovetheUSA
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:44pmI am sick to death over an election…about abortion….the government has no business in the abortion business, period. And we should not judge anyone who has his or her opinion on the matter….period.
Report Post »TRUTHandFREEDOM
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:19pmIn America, it matters.
Government activities go far beyond the basic, assigned duties & taxpayer funds are wasted on all kinds of wasteful programs, but It is the JOB of government to protect us and our rights. When ONE doesn’t matter, precedence is set for others to be picked away at.
Thomas Jefferson spent every Sunday morning at listening to the Gospel being preached at Sunday Services INSIDE the House of Congress because Sundays, God & religeous influence were too important to be doing anything else inside our Capitol building, but today’s progressive influence has infringed the right to religeon on public land and even passed the oppressive assault on our rights known as Obamacare on Christmas eve! There is a war of liberty, rights & freedom vs the progressive family (Communism, socialism, marxism, modern liberalism, fascism).
There is great reason to love the USA; Founding principles, outlined in the Declaration of Independence & defined rules in our Contitution. Mission statement & operational law. Protect ALL rights. Accept the loss of NONE.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are **** Life ****, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”
Accept no alternative to this.
Report Post »Libertarian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:40pmThe fundamental responsibility of government is to protect LIFE, liberty and property. In order to protect life we must define it.
Slavery is the infringement of liberty, while abortion is the infringement of life. The people that believe it is “morally” wrong to terminate a fetus, but are indifferent to others who do it are representative of the people who were indifferent or apathetic to slavery.
The epicenter of the debate is that either; a fetus is property and not a life (abortion is a “choice), or that a fetus is the first stage of life (life at conception). There is no middle ground.
If one believes life begins at conception, then it is moot how a child was conceived, that individual then has the unalienable RIGHT to life. This is where most conservatives become inconsistent.
Each state needs to define life, and then protect it. Period…
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:03pmLet it be declared nationally (through statutes, policies, decisions and the sort that relate to and surround the matter) that abortions are unlawful, especially through the Supreme Court. Let the States enforce the illegality and pass the regulations, laws and criminal judgements concerning the matter. Understand that the federal Government does not have much Power to prosecute Citizens that commit abortions or to be policing the unlawful act of abortion within the several States. We do not need another national department or agency to govern our personal lives. As in other crimes, let the States sort out the details. That’s the best we could do to stay loyal to the federal Constitution and our moral obligations. Of course the Government has the duty to protect the Life of an innocent Child at the hands of death and to secure the child’s Right to Life.
Report Post »knighttemplar999
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:42pmIf the voltage on that fence is just right we can turn those Mexicans into giant chicharrones. Sprinkle some lime and chili on em and there you have free food for the border guards.
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:50pmA little 3 phase would make them nice and toasty.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:05pmI heard of a “Spanish Fly”… so would this be a “Mex Fly”? It’s still funny… sick, but funny!
Report Post »Godzgrl247
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:29pmI agree with SOMEGUYINOHIO, I don’t understand how someone can say that Cain is being confusing. It really is noone else’s decision to make on abortion. As for the rest, we know that interviewers can be quite agressive in the way that they ask questions. We also know about clever editing. Not agreeing with The Blaze on this one.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:40pmCain has risen in the polls to the point he is threatening Romney .. who has MANY problems of his own .. including Obamacare and taxing the rich … Cain is threatening the GOP, RNC annointed candidate!
TEA!
Cain/Rubio 2012!
Report Post »dogpatch65
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:43pmI disagree. I watched the video and I read this article yesterday:
Report Post »http://markamerica.com/2011/10/21/herman-cain-on-abortion-say-what/
The author is making a good point, and he’s right: Cain is seemingly confused, or at least he seems to be confusing issues. It’s really odd.
Jefferson
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:48pmWhat’s “confusing” is how a bunch of people can go running into this guy’s arms like they did with Ohmamma back in 2008?
Report Post »CAIN LAUGHED at those who were WARNING of the financial collapse that is NOW HERE, and ONLY going to get worse. He was saying that everything was FINE up to a week before it happened.
How can you expect him to “FIX THE FEDERAL RESERVE” when they are THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS?!?
The Fed, is not some manager at Burger King, that you can “call them up” if your fries are cold. They are one of the MOST secretive, and LEAST transparent, PRIVATE FRACTIONAL BANKING CARTELS on the PLANET!!
Even when Ron Paul pushed to get a PARTIAL audit, it showed that the Fed gave over 5 TRILLION DOLLARS TO FOREIGN BANKS!??
DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ON THE HOOK FOR THAT DEBT?
The US and World economy are not some “value menu” at a fast food restaurant. It takes a man who is TRUSTWORTHY, KNOWS THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM, AND HOW TO STOP THE ECONOMIC BLEEDING, before our great Republic DIES.
HOW can you expect Cain to have ANY CLUE of how to fix this, when he DIDN’T even SEE it in the FIRST PLACE?
Don’t get fooled again America.
We are at the most PIVOTAL moments in our history. Your vote, is MOST CRUCIAL. Don’t get suckered in by TPTB playing the race card, to get you to pick the darker puppet.
EVEN GLENN BECK said that the “FED needs to be abolished.”
qpwillie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:56pmJefferson,
Report Post »The only thing more annoying than a Paulie is a long winded Paulie.
Jefferson
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:06pmTruth hurts. I know.
Report Post »Too bad you don’t have anything intelligent to rebut with, other than name calling. You lose. Enjoy getting suckered.
How’s that for short and sweet?
fatjack
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:47pmCain is definitely pro life and believes life begins at conception, as I do. However, Cain is also pro abortion so individuals can decide life or death. duh
Newt is beginning to look good.
Its coming……………….are you ready?
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:50pmQPWILLIE so what’s the deal hot shot, is calling someone a ‘Paulie’ a bad thing? Is supporting someone who would like to see the greatest racket ever thought up and put in action lunacy? Instanity? Just come out and say it: you like the Fed, you like the IRS, you like getting taxed out of your butt, you want to continue to see the citizens of the USA not having any control over over economic policy and further that you’d like to see this nation continue to be run by the Fed Chairman and the banks that private institution controls. Sorry big guy, the Constitution says you’re wrong. Stop trying to make fun of people who would like to see you retain your individuality, sovereignty and freedom.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:53pmTotally whiffed, anyhow correction::::: “Is supporting someone who would like to see the greatest racket ever thought up and put in action ****ABOLISHED****, lunacy?”
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:54pmPeople forget that Cain said at first (he should have explained himself better), Government has no choice in the matter. He did not say the President, the State, or other political entity. Of course the Government has a duty to protect the life of an innocent child. I would be able to at least come to terms that this is a State’s issue. I do not adhere to the notion that this is solely a decision between the mother and God. It should be Nationally held, especially by the Supreme Court, that abortion is unlawful, and let the States enforce the illegality and other details of the matter.
Does Cain understand the political terminology here? If you’re pro-life, abortion is immoral and not acceptable for anyone to do. If you’re pro-choice, you may personally be against an abortion 100% but would allow another person to personally decide and do differently. Which one is it Cain? It seems you’re pro-choice. Sure, you may personally in your mind and actions be 100% pro-life, but if you believe another person may decide and do differently, you’re pro-choice.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:15pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcTYUwCbslE Hey QP check it out, Rush is a Paulie too! oh this makes me laugh :) Bout time someone in the conservative media woke up to sanity.
Report Post »A Conservatarian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:17pmCheck it out, Ann Coulter is a Paulie too xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPygNYXXQGk&feature=related
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 9:33pm@CatB. YEAh !!!! TEA !
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 9:36pm@Jefferson. AGREED TOTALLY !!! TEA!
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 2:37amJEFFERSON How is OWS Going? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Gi2l0gWJBUE#!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 3:48pm@REPUBLICORP @REPUBLICORP These same people quote Jefferson and Washington and carry the American flag. Who cares. We’re all Americans here. I see the video, and a see a candidate that can steal votes from Obama and introduce new voters to our cause of liberty and independence. I’m tired of playing the game of alienating our fellow citizens because of religious or political reasons. Seriously. We should be glad we’re gaining support for limited Government, sound money, individual Rights and Constitutional adherence. I sincerely believe we’re playing right into the MArxist agenda of divide and conquer, Ordo ab Chao. Is it not Glenn who said that they want class warfare? Let’s not use those same tactics. Jefferson said, “I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.” If we are to win in a general election, we must get votes not just from our side but from the other also. Paul does not change his positions to gain votes from others but convinces and educates the voters on why they should elect him. The people see his genuine honesty. Sure, he says things that might go against his own party, but atleast he’s not a Establisment zombie that will say and do anything to please just one select group of people. We, living in a free country, should be glad in pursuing and gaining the votes of so many new voters from diverse backgrounds. That’s also what the free market is all about.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:19pmTurning on a light switch is confusing to those people. The rest of us have no problem understanding Mr. Cain. Perhaps when he’s president, he’ll have more time to dumb it down for them.
Report Post »obamie da commie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:26pmLove it
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:40pmSOOOOO TRUE!
TEA!
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Report Post »Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:23pm@QP Willie
You know better then everyone else…….All Progressives say that.
You have to be completely dumb, QP Wille, to not see Cain has changed positions, reworked his views, or flip flopped however you want to say it.
To deny it is simply you being like the ObamaBots who wouldn’t face the reality Obama sucked when his inconsistencies were shown.
Your constant blast against Ron Paul supporters show you cannot defeat his views on the battlefield of ideas. You have become the very thing you blast against except negatively!
Have a good day, QP Willie!
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:40pmOkie from Muskogee,
Report Post »Cool down. Nobody expected that you’d be able to comprehend what Mr. Cain was saying. Don’t be upset about it.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:55pm@ “Willie”
I‘m not upset and I won’t back down from some idiot, you, who is trying to insult those of us who do see these changes in position and are calling them out.
I completely understand what Cain says and unlike you I completely can see it is different then other times Cain has spoke. Only an idiot, you, does not!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:56pmDoes Cain understand the political terminology here? If you’re pro-life, abortion is immoral and not acceptable for anyone to do. If you’re pro-choice, you may personally be against an abortion 100% but would allow another person to personally decide and do differently. Which one is it Cain? It seems you’re pro-choice. Sure, you may personally in your mind and actions be 100% pro-life, but if you believe another person may decide and do differently, you’re pro-choice.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:03pmSo explain Cain’s position. What does he mean by saying abortion should not be legal and that the government shouldn’t be making those decisions?
How do you square that circle? Really, you must be pretty smart to see that. So pony up.
Report Post »hillarie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:15pmhttp://technorati.com/politics/article/unraveling-herman-cains-money-laundering-scheme/
Check this out.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:23pmHey, the Paulies have arrived!!! Come on in and sit down. You can use that spittoon over there for your venom.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:56pmI don’t think abortion is the big issue at the moment.
All gold holders should listen to this! It’s what Obama could do with the gold (you realize they took gold away from citizens in the ‘30) Obama’s plan would be just as bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbrsI8S4Tro
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:04pmVechorik,
Report Post »You need to hone up on your reading skills. This article is not about Ron Paul.
Okie from Muskogee
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:46pm@QP Willie
You should practice what you preach dumbo for Ron Paul was not wrote in Vechorik’s post.
Now you on the other hand constantly post something negative about Ron Paul even if the article is about rainbows and sunshine. Hypocrite!
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:26pmOh dear…………..I guess people holding gold/silver will read the article (I hope)
Report Post »I’m just trying to help all those Blaze/Beck fans that bought gold.
This is serious stuff when you learn that what you’re holding may STILL be worthless when the dollar collapses.
Jefferson
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 11:10am@VECHORIK
Thanks for the video. I had not seen that one. Definitely something to think about.
Their goal is obviously a “cashless” society that they can control every aspect of, and eliminate the possibility of any “underground” economies springing up.
Even though your post was not on the topic of Cain acting like a politician –even though he claims that is his biggest asset– it speaks to the larger picture of the agenda being put into play.
Report Post »For people to think that we are above “history repeating itself,” is ultimately naive.
sumguyinohio
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:15pmI’m not sure what is so confusing to people. Is it that they don’t understand that we like Herman or that we like a black man as conservatives? I asked ask as a person that believes you can have one opinion about abortion and respect the law about abortion. It is legal to have an abortion and not governments job to interfere with the process. Why is this so confusing? It is moral values vs the law. Seems simple enough for me.
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:04pmHow does anyone know this guy is a conservative? He has no political record. He is an unknown. he is essentially a motivational speaker who has a slogan. But I guess the Cain fans like their smooth talking slogan men. Let’s see how Cain would have governed a liberal state like MA whose legislature was composed of 87% liberal Democrats.
Report Post »sister1_rm
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:09pmSo far Mr. Cain has the best chance at defeating Mr. Obama for the presidential election. Mr. Obama and the libs do not want Mr. Cain running and will try to destroy him in the primaries. It’s wonderful that Mr. Cain can retool his plans and clarify his positions, but he needs to improve his interview skills and learn to be very clear on his positions, otherwise the liberal news networks are going to tear him apart.
Report Post »slr4528
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:07pmCain does not have the best chance. There was a news max poll out today that had Romney ahead by 7 against Obama and I believe Cain was 1 point behind Obama.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 2:47amWhether Cain or Romney is more “electable” is very much up in the air. Because it is close, and because I like Cain more (he seems totally genuine) and he is more solidly conservative, I expect to vote for Mr. Cain in the primary. As regards the term “conservative” goes, anyone not independently informed would be seriously confused if they just read Blaze postings. For over 50 years, the triad of American political conservatism has been: 1) sound fiscal policies; 2) strong national defense; and 3) government encouragement of individual morality. In light of that, it is passing strange that MANY posts on the Blaze describe Ron Paul as a “conservative”!
Report Post »OpenRevolt
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 6:05am@ Chuck
I think you need to look up what a “conservative” is.
Someone who conserves, thus spends and uses less.
Ron Paul has the only plan to cut spending and taxes thus conserving resources and ending nonsense wars in the Middle East against goat herders and cave dwellers that will never end.
Communism was/is a 100+ times greater threat than “Islam”, just look at the sophistication of modern Russia, China, Brazil, and many other countries in East Asia/South America. Mexico itself is on the verge of becoming Communists and they almost won the last election. Demographics shows soon there will be more people of Mexican descent living in the USA than in Mexico in the next 10 years or less.
Europe and the USA basically finances Communism just like they finance Islam.How do you think it got in the White House and the Mainstream media?
We gave up the war in Vietnam it had 0 effectiveness against Communism–instead American businessmen like Rockefeller went to China to visit Mao and negotiate trade deals where America would move all of it’s factories there. Bush Jr went to Communist Vietnam where they still hold POWs and opened up trade relations.
You can now find Vietnam goods inside of Wallmart and many other stores because their labor is cheaper than China’s.
The real enemy is the Government and Wall Street–they sold America out and this country is going to collapse in the next 10 years falling behind 3rd world zones like China and India.
Report Post »UrsaMajor
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 11:40amRon Paul is also the only Republican candidate who would sell out Israel to Iran at the drop of a hat… which explains why so many Paul supporters have become part of the Anti-Semetic “Occupy Wall Street” mob.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 3:52pm@CHUCK STEIN The media is trying desperately to influence our decision. Who have they ignored and dismissed although they have a steady and growing support base? I recommend that people take a look at this man’s Plan. Whether you disagree or agree with the guy on some things, one thing is for certain, his Plan makes the most sense concerning huge spending cuts, ending welfare programs, not raising taxes, not creating new taxes, ending certain federal agencies and departments (Education, EPA, Energy, etc), slashing funds for other bureaucracies (FDA, etc), limiting the size of the federal workfoce, giving some things back to the States to take care of, and many other TEA Party advocated positions. One should look at his stance of cutting foreign subsidies wihtin context. He’s trying to save our economy and keep the US from going bankrupt. You can’t deny the effectiveness of the plan to help in those goals. Rush also said that this man is the only candidate that has proposed such a plan, which we Conservatives have been demanding for years now. Definately something interesting to look at, no matter your candidate of choice.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 3:57pm@CHUCK STEIN Our founding fathers encouraged us to lead by example and be a beacon of light to the world, that they me see the rectitude of our intentions and eminate the greatness of our prosperity. Our Nation was humble and godly. War was used as a last resort against actual imminent threats, not he said she said nonsense. Read this article http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/25/was-bill-buckley-a-foreign-policy-leftist/#ixzz1WH5EqeBi.
We the PEOPLE OF the US… insure DOMESTIC Tranquility, provide for the common DEFENSE… and SECURE the Blessings of Liberty TO OURSELVES and OUR POSTERITY… do ordain and establish THIS CONSTITUTION… FOR the United STATES of AMERICA.”
Paul is for trade and friendship with any Nations willing. Isolationists want to pass embargos, start fights and wars with other Nations, stop talks and diplomatic agreements, tell other Nations what they can and can’t do within their own borders, force Nations to do things agaisnt their own will, deny trade or travel to other Nations, actually build a real fence on our border (fences should be put up on private property by land owners and for strategic reasons in certain critical areas), start dangerous conflicts with far away Nations soley due to their heritage, faith or form of Government, disregard the early church’s doctrine of fighting in only just wars especially for defense, and telling other Nations to shut up because we are the Policemen of the world.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 4:00pmPaul said he would not cut down on Defense. He said he’d cut down on Military, in things we don’t necessarily need, or are essential to our security. Militarism and National Defense are two different things. Bringing our troops home to secure our borders, is National Defense. Sending our troops to Uganda, to protect and fight for other Rulers and Citizens, on our dime, is Militarism. Get the facts straight. Defense spending vs. Militarism spending. Isolationism vs. Non-interventionism. Federalism vs. Nationalism. Individualism vs. Collectivism. Fiat Money or Hard Money? Constitutionalism or Progressivism? Bureaucrats or Free Citizens?
Report Post »Cat
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:08pmMr. Cain, you’re almost there on this topic.
Report Post »Simply tell people to take this issue to their place of worship.
If they haven’t a place of worship … GET ONE!
It is NOT the government’s place.
fishstx777
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:08pmWhat do I care what A.p. fox news abc .cnn think.You rammed mc cain down out throats,trying to ram Perry down our throats.Bad week? how about three years?The more you bad mouth him and the more his polls will rise American people know all about the lame stream media If you hate um we love um .Electric fence How do you think they keep the inmates from escaping nothing new here.
Report Post »sister1_rm
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:11pmThe electric fence idea may have been a joke, but I like it the idea. Maybe not killing strength, but enough to incapacitate and maybe make them think twice before trying again.
Report Post »portague
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:29pmhe can be antiabortion but not believe the fed has the right to make a law forcing it down the throats of those on either side of the issue. This would mean it would be state issue and neither side wants that because that would mean 50 battles rather than1 at the fed. It also means both sides lose on getting federal money since the fed has to be neutral. May not be what either side wants to hear. Also how much control over every issue do you want the fed gov to have?
Report Post »obamie da commie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:06pmIf that makes cain confusing…
What does that make obama?
Trust God!
Report Post »SquishyBear
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:05pmI just cant get a clear read on his abortion stance. as far as the comment about it being up to the family or the mother is he talking about abortion or is simply reffering to whether or not they decide to raise the child as opposed to giving it up? I never heard him say specificaly that he beleives that it is the family or parents choice to abort.
Report Post »Faith1029
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:15pmI was very pro Cain until this abortion issue. I too am unclear as to what his stance actually is. I am totally pro life and any suggestion that it is up to the individual to decide to me is not pro life. I am disheartened about this now.
Report Post »idontgetit
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:34pmFaith1029,
Report Post »Herman Cain says that abortion should not be legal including in the case of rape or incest. This, first of all, shows that he actually is pro-life, by not compromising for the sake of political correctness. secondly, this show that he believes that the unborn child has rights, even if conceived by rape or incest (unlike other politically correct politicians). He also says that he would appoint pro-life judges, veto any laws that funds planned parenthood, and will end federal funds for abortion. http://video.foxnews.com/v/1231152829001/herman-cain-im-pro-life-from-conception
MerryJ1
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:47pmCain is very much pro-life, and he is also pro-Constitution and pro-law, which means abiding by the limitations, prohibitions and obligations the Constitution imposes on all elected and appointed US officials, President on down to the library-board trustees in Smallburg, Anystate, USA: Each of these officials takes an oath to “preserve, support and defend” the Constitution, and Herman Cain is one of the (apparently relatively few) who understands the oath and is determined to abide by the limitations, responsibilities and obligations it will put on his shoulders.
Unless and until Roe v Wade is overturned, legal abortion in the US is the law of the land, like it or not. If and when Roe v Wade is overturned, jurisdiction regarding the legality, or not, of abortion will revert to the individual states. In either or both cases, individual decisions regarding abortion are personal, individual matters and not properly the business of a President or, for that matter, any elected or appointed political leader or bureaucrat.
That‘s exactly what Cain’s remarks conveyed (to me), except that I used an additional bunch of words to repeat it.
Report Post »Faith1029
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:49pmIDONTGETIT: Thank you for the video. It was helpful.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:32pmIDONTGETIT,
Report Post »Great. I actually find it easy to believe that’s his position. Very strongly pro-life. What I can’t understand is how anyone who is that pro-life says things like the government should not be making those decisions and that it is the mothers/family’s decision. What accounts for that pro-choice language? I would never even accidentally say something like that
colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:33pm@IDontGetIt Thanks for the link to the video. It seems Cain doesn’t know how to explain himself well. The interviewer had to press him on some of the question in order to clarify his position. I think, he said abortion should be illegal. Come on Cain, get your act together. The electric fence? Muslim comments? Fed audit? Housing bubble? 999 Plan? TARP position? Bank bail outs? Why do you have to reword and reexplain all your positions? You voted for TARP but are against it. You voted for the bank bail outs but are against it. You voted for raising the debt ceiling but are against it? Can you clarify that also? Did you misspoke, or voted for them by accident?
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:40pm*voted – supported or were for
Report Post »TeaPartyPatriot
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:05pmHe told CNN that while he strongly opposes abortion, “the government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.”
..that sounds like a TOTALLY LIBERTARIAN VIEWPOINT ON ABORTION….so, supporters of moRon Paul, explain why he wants the GOVERNMENT to control this individual, person decision.
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:40pmSo you think Libertarians like myself will allow a woman to murder a child? Are you nuts?? Murder is murder, in the womb or out. Get that through your pea brain before you open your mouth.
Report Post »Vechorik
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:58pmAll Libertarians are different, just like all Republicans are different. You you want to know Ron Paul’s stance, it’s for LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, based on the Constitution.
Report Post »BPM
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:05pmChristopher Santarelli – In writing this you show two things: First, you have not been following / educating yourself on Cain policies over the last few months. Second, you sound like the Republican party trying to find reasons to dismiss Cain so that politics as usual can continue. We expect better / more objective reporting on The Blaze.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:14pmDon’t blame Santarelli. He is just reporting the facts. Which facts do you dispute? the act is that Cain has stumbled a few times. That really isn’t a big deal. The real problem is with abortion where he continually muddies the waters on his position. He’s big on clarity but the way he talks about it is anything but clear.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:46pmIslesfordian,
Here it is as simply as I can put it. Mr. Cain is against abortion but he doesn‘t believe it’s any of the federal government’s business.
Many people believe abortion is murder. Murder is not under federal jurisdiction. It is left up to the states.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:46pmQpwillie,
That is a federalist argument and entirely comprehensible. the problem is that Cain isn’t making that point when he talks about abortion. He says it shouldn‘t be legal and then say the government shouldn’t be making these decisions, without specifying the federal government. So who the heck is making abortion illegal if it isn’t the government?
You can’t just superimpose you own opinions on Cain because he has spoken quite clearly ON BOTH SIDES. He needs to clear this up because people on both sides WHO SUPPORT HIM can’t figure it out.
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:45pmThis seems to happen to any honest out spoken person who gets “managed”, just ask Palin.
“I have come to understand that Herman Cain has in reality done far more for the pro-life movement than I ever have. For instance, he donated $1 million of his own money in an attempt to encourage black voters to vote pro-life. His 2004 Senate campaign made life a central issue. His work opposing abortion – especially among the black population – has led many leftist organizations to denounce him with hysterical, shrieking screeds; which is probative evidence of the fact that they were to some degree effective.” -Article at Redstate.com
I have no reason to believe that Cain is anything but Pro-life. Actions speak louder than words.
Report Post »BPM
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:35pmIslesfordian-
Just reporting the facts? Please. This article covered much more that the one topic you have issues with. If you can’t see the slant against Cain in this article then you are blind. How is it, if he just came up with this, that I have been talking about the opportunity zones for weeks based on what I had read(the only change was I had heard them called something else).
My only point here is that he is not flip-floping or changing on the fly. He has stood solid. If you want to find a reason to support an “Obama-lite” candidate, stick with the “A presidential candidate should never make a mistake when he speaks” excuse. That you can fairly hold against him.
Report Post »John 1776
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:05pmLibertarian = Max personal liberty, minimum government. Cain has his belief but does not want to use the government to impose it. Any other statement would not be consistent.
Report Post »I am amazed that the press and MSM is not able to understand this! Ok, maybe not amazed…
Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:10pmExcept he isn’t saying that. He says that abortion should be illegal, and then he says that a woman having an abortion is ‘her decision“ and ”not the government’s decison”.
So which is it? If abortion isn’t legal it makes no sense talking about whose decision it is to break the law.
Report Post »idontgetit
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:37pm“So which is it? If abortion isn’t legal it makes no sense talking about whose decision it is to break the law.”
It’s usually the criminals decision to break the law…
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:39pm“It’s usually the criminals decision to break the law”
Of course. That’s obvious. Your point is…? Why would anyone running for office say that it is a person’s decison to obey the law or not? It makes it sound rather optional.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:04pmThe process of all these ‘debates’ is working to the advantage of the Dems. Debates never give a true indication of who a person is.
Report Post »I take you back to 2008. How many thought B Obama was a Marxist, intent on dividing us along racial and socio-economic lines? Apparently not enough.
To me, I’ve always felt we needed a sharp-thinking candidate who would be ready to take Obama on in any topic and defeat him. I feel Gingrich is probably that guy, followed closely by Romney. Either, in my opinion, would more than hold his own.
Having said that, the tie-breaker is Romneycare. Gingrich wins. He is no dummy, and has the experience to go toe-to-toe with anyone intellectually.
UrbanCombatSurvivor
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:17pmI agree on your assessment of his debating skills, however I have to consider than Gingrich has a long history of trying to legislate and force healthcare via government. He’s the one who pushed for mandatory digital records for hospitals.
We don’t need another big government progressive in office, even a smart one.
Report Post »NOBALONEY
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:04pmFrontrunner Madness! That’s what I call this. Every Republican that’s been in the lesd has been scrutinized as if there was some edit out to do so. Candidate Obama never faced anything like this in 2008, and still hasn’t faced it since being in the White House.
Report Post »Keep it up! Will Cain and S E Cupp included. The more you do it! The more I like him! Outsider vs Establishment( Rino, Dems & MSM).
Mudpike
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:15pmAmen!
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:01pmI remember when Clayton Williams made the joke about rape a few days before the election for Governor in Texas in 1990. He was way ahead but the media got wind and…..We then had Ann Richards for 8 years. Words do matter when you are a politician, especially with a ******* media like we have.
Do yourself a favor Herman and think. If not, we will get a Romney or a Perry…If you were a Dem you could say crap like 57 states and Navy CORPSMEN, but you are not. You stepped on a landmine…
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:59pmIt is not confusing! Each person own’s, and has the exclusive Right to, their own Body!! The Federal Government, via Taxes, should not be funding Abortion!!!
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:02pmWhat about the rights of the child? Is murder Ok with you? Think man!
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:31pmA Child only become a Person once it is Born — A Child cannot be UnBorn (Words have definitions and meanings)!
Report Post »Dustyluv
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:36pmYou are a fool. A child id a child at conception. Call yourself a murderer and move on…
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:49pmMy mind perceives… if a Fetus cannot exist on it‘s own and is part of another person’s life support… then, the Fetus is not a Person. This may be Hard and Harsh… but then so is the Real World. In fact, Women have Miscarriages, and 3 of 4 fertized eggs pass through their systems… and this is not any form of Killing or Murder!
Report Post »ShyLow
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:24pmIf you you can kill it…It must mean that it is living…I wonder if libs would get upset if you called the un-born names,like buck-toothed rodents or gabage unfit for land-fills…and why is it called pro-choice?The life being terminated isn’t given a choice.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:00pmDo I kill Grass.. when I mow the lawn… or divot on an Golf Course… or chop down a tree? Then, again, the top species on any Planet are Preditors… so being designed to Hunt & Kill does not seem bad. Maybe, some women are more Preditoral than others… and so their “Choice” is to have Abortions upon their own Body! And, having the Right to Choose seems… like a Freedom…
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:55pmWell consider this. The smallest of smallest little who knows what small thing discoverred in a rock on a foreign planet that is growing, developing, alive, active, functioning, processing or whatever else and that has a tendency and potential to move, expand, procreate, interwork, communicate and engage is considered life or a life form and worthy of investigation, protection, defense and preservation. The womb of a women with a child serves all those purposes. There is without an inch of doubt Life in the womb. The only way to abort the child is to intentionaly and forcefully damage, hurt, transform, change, tore or violently inject or interfere in any functioning aspect or critical part for which its existence and continual development may be shortened, terminated or corrupted. That is without question Death and Destruction.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:10pmNo doctor, Government, man or mother has the right to end the life of an innocent child in the womb. The mother does not own the body of that child though it be in her womb. Her choice was before she decided to take a risk in doing an act which might result in natural human reproduction. In cases of rape, the violator must be punished, not the women or child, as they are both faultless in the matter. The Government has a duty to protect the life of an innocent child at the hands of death, and to secure the child’s Right to Life. The child has its own body, blood, veins, brain and heart. The child is its own entity. The child is not a sixth finger or tail growing on the back of the mother. The child is a live human being in a very early stage of human development. Though the child be of small stature, his existence is and worthiness is not measured thereby. We did not create humans, wherefore we haave no choice to decide who is human. Our common blood and image make evident our natural bond, of which that child in the womb is partaker with.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:14pm*Though the child be of a small stature, his existence and worthiness is not measured thereby. We did not create humans, wherefore we have no choice to decide who is human. Our common blood and image make evident our natural bond, of which that child in the womb is partaker with.
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 7:51pmMexico… Viet Nam… Uganda… there are kids under 10 years old… who would shoot you… for no reason other than you exist. We are Predators… and while it is nice to think of ourselves as Special Beings… look at the rioters and riots around the world. A bond between mother and child is strong… but she will kill others to protect… and sometimes even her own!
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:08pm@LUKERW I don’t understand your last comment. Are you okay with murder just because it’s part of one of our natural abilities? Your reasoning makes no sense. Honoring the Great Legislature of the Universe and respecting his natural Laws is reason and logic. Our Nation is founded on the eternal precepts and truths declared and made evident by the Grand Architect of the Universe. Our Creator who has granted to us Men certain unalienable Rights is the source and origin of our Liberty. Believing that Man alone is able to create a moral code and declare laws to justly govern our Nature is anarchy and chaos.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:11pmWe did not make an appeal to the Great Legislature of the Universe when declaring our Freedom and Independence to decide for ourselves as individuals what is right or wrong but to accept the righteous precepts and perfect law of our Creator that we may be guided in our intentions and act accordingly as a Nation and People, wholly acceptable to God. We are a great and prosperous Nation by Divine Providence, wherefore accountable to Almighty for how we act. We have by our national Compacts and Proclamations acknowledged our Creator as Supreme Judge and Ruler of the World. By whose Power and Grace we Men have been endowed with Life and Liberty. We cannot deny nor ignore His influence and presence anymore than we can deny our unique and exceptional existence among the Nations of the World and the whole history of Mankind. We are here for a purpose and must act the part.
Report Post »SquishyBear
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 8:42pm@lukerw, your def of life is not just “hard and harsh” its an opinion and its false.A fetus is a person waiting to enter the world. to end its life is not something that should be legal any more than murdering anyone else. why is the life of a tiny defenseless person any less valid or valuable than someone who was fortunate enough to be born?
Report Post »netmail
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:59pmI wish Mr Cain had Newt’s ability to take control of a conversation.
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:06pmI agree. Maybe that’s our ticket, NET, Cain/Gingrich……
Report Post »BPM
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:09pmCOPATRIOTS – I agree… CAIN / GINGRICH 2012
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:18pmNETMAIL………
Lukerw….
“The Federal Government, via Taxes, should not be funding Abortion!!!”
Dustyluv….
“What about the rights of the child? Is murder Ok with you? Think man!”
Exactly, my friends!
Netmail, you are dead-on about Cain!….
Report Post »Cain needs to take control of a conversation. Lib’s always have contradictions and/or hypocrisy in their arguments/positions. I DO NOT want a candidate who cannot jump on those contradictions immediately!
slr4528
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:11pmSo it is Okay to talk about individual insurance mandates at Heritage as Gingrich did but it was not Okay for Romney to attempt to enact this with the legislation after consulting with Heritage in MA. Gingrich is a hypocrite. I use to be a big fan of his until I saw him stab Romney in the back at the last debate regarding mandates.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:14pmNewt is too lazy . .. sorry but it is true .. instead of campaigning last weekend he went to the zoo .. NO Kidding! He won’t “work” for it .. he thinks he is too smart to have to work hard.
TEA!
Report Post »copatriots
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 5:52pmThanks for the perspective, SLR. And I always respect your thoughts, CATB. Thanks for the zoo update. : ) I did not know that. I have had my doubts about Newt based on his personal life decision but was trying to set those aside in that he might add to the ticket what Cain seems to be lacking.
I’m struggling trying to come up with the best ticket.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on October 23, 2011 at 12:53amThanks all for your perspectives. Personally, I like the natural way that Newt communicates, just as I appreciate Glenn’s style. Newt looks fat tho. That is going to make him feel tired and lazy. Plus, he has other problems. Crap, I want to be enthusastic about someone but I’m just not. Obama HAS to be defeated, but by someone who can lead the country out of the deep decline it’s in. We won’t have four more years to waste. Newt needs to wake up and be the man right now or Cain needs to do it. There’s no time now for a wake up call or a learning curve. Something needs to happen right now. I pray that someone comes thru that we can all gather around but like many of us here, Im still waiting.
Report Post »FreedomOnFire
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 3:59pmHe has clarified all his statements, and is right every time, okay, move on, vote Cain
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:07pmOn abortion he has been anything but clear. This is a serious problem if he can’t make clear what his position is. I believe that he is really pro-life, but I can‘t figure out why he is talking the way he does about it being the woman’s or the family’s decision. That is not pro-life language.
Report Post »sister1_rm
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 4:18pmIt’s more libertarian language. The belief is in limited government and that the Fed should not be forced to make the moral decisions.
Report Post »CottonMPG
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 6:19pmI believe he is just down playing his prolife views because he doesn’t want to allow the fear monger liberals to change the focus off the economy. If he falls for that trap everyone will view him as extreme on social issues and no one will be focusing on the economy which is what we need to do to win.
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on October 22, 2011 at 10:12pm@FreedomOnFire.. Yes I want to be a Cainite also I’ll do what YOU say.. Now he can do no wrong EVER because I’m backing him..
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