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(UPDATED WITH VIDEO) Congresswoman: People Are Planning to Die Soon to Avoid New Estate Taxes

CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) — U.S. Rep. Cynthia Lummis says some of her Wyoming constituents are so worried about the reinstatement of federal estate taxes that they plan to discontinue dialysis and other life-extending medical treatments so they can die before Dec. 31.

(UPDATED WITH VIDEO) Congresswoman: People Are Planning to Die Soon to Avoid New Estate Taxes

Congresswoman Cynthia Lummis (R-WY)

Lummis, a Republican who holds Wyoming’s lone seat in the U.S. House, declined to name any of the people who have made the comments.

But she says many ranchers and farmers in the state would rather pass along their businesses to their children and grandchildren than see the federal government take a large chunk.

Lummis and other Republicans are fighting to renew the Bush-era tax cuts, which expire at the end of the year. The cuts exempt large inheritances as well as certain wage income, interest, dividends and capital gains.

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  • ron the veteran
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:17am

    it never seases to amazes me how some people think they are intitled to anothers property or money. when its not earned its not valued.

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  • We Are Not Alone
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:10am

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  • Carol1955
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:04am

    I am encouraged by the number of people who understand the effect on farm and ranch families. You can‘t just sell off the equipment to pay the taxes or you can’t run the business. If you chop up the land, you disturb the delicate balance of machinery/land size which makes it cost effective to make any kind of profit. After all the hard labor, huge risk management, and sometimes generations of investment, the government just takes it away. Don’t be surprised at how much of the progressive agenda is aimed at harming agriculture. We can’t have private ownership of something as important as our food. Do a little research and you will find how deeply embeded George Soros is in the ownership of grain elevators and facilities. Be worried, be very worried.

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    • alienguns
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 1:47am

      no farmers and ranchers……no food…..it is sad but I think the now generation doesn’t have a clue where food comes from…they think it comes from Wal-Mart and Krogers

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  • GOPatheist
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:52am

    Isn’t this suicide? Isn’t that a sin? Hmmm. Money for the brats but no heaven for you. See you in hell.

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    • APEXIdaho
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 12:28pm

      It’s letting nature take its course, like what will happen a lot more under Obamacare!

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    • alienguns
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 1:18am

      GOPatheist………..you are truly clueless and hopeless……money for the brats??…….do I sense a little jealousy coming from ya….you don’t believe in heaven anyway what do you care if we sacrifice our eternity…..if I see ya in hell we will have a long long long chat and I’ll explain it all to ya so you can understand

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    • alienguns
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 1:33am

      I would love to see you spend a week working on a farm…or just working….that would be funny….you might actually find out that milk comes from COWS not a plastic bottle at the super market…find out that butter isn’t one molecule away from plastic like that imitation crap—should send you to live with uncle Ted for a few months…let ya eat what ya kill…find out it doesn’t really come from McDonalds or Burger King….let ya see the sun coming up 2 hours AFTER you went to work….then you might figure out why grandma and grandpa were proud of their lives and would like to pass that on to their children and grandchildren…………ya JACKWAGON

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  • mikenleeds
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:21am

    Obama and the dum-o-rats are taxing people to death .. Wake up America

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  • BoilitDown
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:18am

    It has come to the point where too much of our time and emotional energy is devoted to figuring out how to keep our earnings and property out of the hands of the thieves in government.
    We’ve got to keep on “throwing the bums out” and railing at Washington and our State capitals until they understand.
    I’ve, long since, lost everything and yet they still want more.

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    • BoilitDown
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:56am

      I guess that sums it all up. Why the hell do we have to constantly defend ourselves from our own government? Then comes the answer….We’ve been too apathetic toward making our representatives tow the line. We haven’t voted them out when they deserve to be gone. We’ve let the government run on autopilot. Vermin have taken over the halls of power, abandoned by those who were to defend us. The bottom line is….We Have Not Been Together in Vigilance.

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  • Johnwr41
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:04am

    I’m not for folks dying to save money. The estate tax, though, is unfair. Someone earlier posted a comment about rich kids inheriting money tax free. Let’s not forget, this money has already been taxed. It was taxed when it was earned. Just because it wasn’t spent, but rather passed on to family, the good ol’ government taxes it a second time at an even higher rate. The estate tax should be abolished entirely.

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  • ccmill
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:02am

    I wouldn‘t be surprised if the people she’s referencing are as real as the beheaded bodies in the Arizona desert. This senario has been tossed around so long it has become an urban legend.

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  • starman70
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:02am

    The Federal Estate tax is the most aggregious tax ever imposed. It is an outright example of double taxation, which we should never have. When a person gets a good education, works hard, builds a business or an agritulture operation, he or she has already paid income taxes on any earnings they have made. The rest after taxes is theirs.

    The Estate tax re-taxes the same earnings already taxed once. It destroys family farms, especially those near urban areas where land prices are high. This tax should never have been started in the first place. It is just another form of COMMUNISM!

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  • TeabagALiberal
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:58am

    Why do liberals like to punsih the successful???

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    • Fear The Voices
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 6:53pm

      Simply put, it‘s easier to claim part of someone else’s wealth than it is to go out and earn their own.

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  • Wenchypoo
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:50am

    If anything, people should hang on until 2013–the estate tax will then die a horrible death of its own, and so will all these other taxes Obama’s intending to heap on us. Dying NOW would just be admitting defeat!

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  • Ernie
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:23am

    Rebel:
    “…cheat on your taxes…”

    Don’t be ignorant. It is the misapplication of the income tax that has stolen Americans’ wealth.
    Learn more here:
    http://www.facebook.com/incometaxmyths?v=app_7146470109&ref=ts

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  • claymoremacm
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:20am

    This is the tragity of Estate taxes,Family farms and ranchs values are overinflated and the family has no way to pay the taxes so the must sell and as the say lose the farm

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  • LSX
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:06am

    Well – if they are dead before the end of the year, the Democrats can use their votes in 2012.

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  • Hondaman
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:01am

    That’s our wonderful Haussain Obama !!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • hempstead1944
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:59am

    Is this the state that Simpson was elected from? Go figure…..

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    • MHP
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:38pm

      Alan is a good friend of mine. He told me a month ago when he was home that Demos were lying about Social Security Benefits being cut, I told him I know that. He says there is no intent to cut any benefits.
      Reform, maybe, like the demos putting all the money back that they stole out of the SS trust fund.
      They need to go to jail just for doing that.
      We like Rep. Lummis, and we do like VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY

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  • emertz8413
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:49am

    It’s so sad. I’m sure the survivors would rather have their family with them. I sure would like my father-in-law back. But, I’m hearing, that Washington could still make the death tax next year retro- active, and that those of us who paid nothing this year, might get slapped with the 55% anyway. Anyone else heard that?

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  • shorthanded12
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:45am

    death Tax, local sales tax, federal/state gasoline tax, property tax, payroll tax, city tax, county tax, bogus taxes on cell phones, car tax, prepared food sales tax, hospitality tax (resort areas) . HAD ENOUGH YET?

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    • America_First
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:56am

      Dude – bogus phone taxes…drive through and area where the masses live of the “Sweat” of the taxpayer pushing baby carriages and talking on a cell phone…how do you think they get “Free” Service…now the progressives in washington want to give them high speed internet connections and with the “Free” connection will come a “Free” computer…but nothing is “Free”…for we the taxpayer foot the bill…to hell with these freeloaders…if a teenager or adult gets knocked up make it their families problem…not the taxpayer…when the hand outs stop…they will get a job or starve the choice is theirs…So it’s not bogus just a creative way to spread the wealth…damn your are correct this is “Totally Bogus”…

      Anyone living off the sweat taxpayer should not be allowed to vote…plain and simple…

      Do you realize that SS for the retired, American taxpayers many War Veterans, did not get a cost of living increase…Medicare due to yobama-care is cut…but welfare programs and medicaid got increases…you the taxpayer get screwed by washington and lazy/moochers and illegal get all they need…

      Anyone that votes for a dumb-o-rat or a rino does not have the common sense to pour piss out of a boot before putting it on…

      Stop the madness…vote “Conservative”…God Bless “Tea People”…

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    • HopeItChanges
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 6:39pm

      Put these words
      Upon his tomb,
      Taxes drove me
      to my doom…’

      When he’s gone,
      Do not relax,
      Its time to apply

      The inheritance tax..
      Accounts Receivable Tax
      Building Permit Tax
      CDL license Tax
      Cigarette Tax
      Corporate Income Tax
      Dog License Tax
      Excise Taxes
      Federal Income Tax
      Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
      Fishing License Tax
      Food License Tax
      Fuel Permit Tax
      Gasoline Tax(currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
      Gross Receipts Tax
      Hunting License Tax
      Inheritance Tax
      Inventory Tax
      IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties(tax on top of tax)
      Liquor Tax
      Luxury Taxes
      Marriage License Tax
      Medicare Tax
      Personal Property Tax
      Property Tax
      Real Estate Tax
      Service Charge Tax
      Social Security Tax
      Road Usage Tax
      Recreational Vehicle Tax
      Sales Tax
      School Tax
      State Income Tax
      State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
      Telephone Federal Excise Tax
      Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
      Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
      Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
      Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
      Telephone State and Local Tax
      Telephone Usage Charge Tax
      Utility Taxes
      Vehicle License Registration Tax
      Vehicle Sales Tax
      Watercraft Registration Tax
      Well Permit Tax
      Workers Compensation Tax
      STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

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  • WireWizard
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:44am

    My votes are in. I’ll be glued to the monitor all Tuesday night.

    Where is John Galt?

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    • Ernie
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:25am

      It’s who. I am. Glenn Beck is. You are.

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    • Blacktooth
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 3:38pm

      Ernie, Are you OK? You do not make any sense. Give us a clue as to what you mean.

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  • takingonissues.com
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:26am

    One more obvious reason everyone needs to get to the ballot boxes next Tuesday and vote out the morons in Congress who want to take away the Bush tax cuts……

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    • shorthanded12
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:51am

      This is what I fine so funny about the “Bush Tax Cuts of 2001-2003″ The Democrats claim it will cost The Federal Government $700 billion if they dont allow them to expire…..hmmmm think about it If they didnt spend so dayum much they wouldnt have to worry about extending the cuts. Plus my personal take if they allow the tax cuts to expire the Democrats wont use it to pay down the debt they will use it as another slush fund just like TARP and Stimulas bills.

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  • belleharbor
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:26am

    Tax the dead How about stop spending our tax dollars overseas i cant get over this tax the dead who new tax the dead i can not believe this how do they do this and get away with it tax the dead

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    • Lesterp
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:41am

      What?

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    • GOPatheist
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:19am

      So do “the dead” actually fill out a tax form? No. They’re dead. They can’t write a check or use a debit card. They’re dead. They can’t do anything except decay. They’re dead. They can’t pay taxes any more than they can drive a car. They’re dead.

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    • APEXIdaho
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 12:08pm

      But they do vote!

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    • Anarcho Capitalist
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 11:37pm

      GOPATHEIST
      Your beginning to see the connection between death and taxes i see.

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    • RavenGlenn
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 3:50am

      @ Gopathesiast

      And yet….you want to tax their money anyway? Talk about making no sense. They’ve paid taxes on all their money, property, etc. Now they are dead and cannot pay taxes, yet you want to take out massive taxes on their possessions.

      Yup, makes plenty of sense to me…. /sarcasm

      But wait, what’s that? You want to tax the people getting this money instead? Oh, well that makes sense. I mean, sure, the government has already taxed everything multiple times, but why not take another 55% of it all? Hmm? The family cannot possibly come up with the massive amount of money they would need to in order to continue operating the business? Well, they don’t deserve it anyway, right? Make them sell everything off JUST to be able to pay the taxes on the business they just inherited!

      To any rational thinker, this above situation is absolutely appalling and ludicrous…but then…you aren’t a rational thinker are you?

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  • Marylou7
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:25am

    I can understand that comment. Sad but I can. The Death Tax is so high most would have to sell in order to pay it. That is absolutely not acceptable. Some of these farms and businesses have been in these people’s families for generations and they could lose it all and for what. So our government can give it to ghettos to insure them being re-elected. Shameful.

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    • belleharbor
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:40am

      Mary i had no idea this goes on this one thing p is is s me off TAX the DEAD and your wright they spend so much money, all about staying in office time to change and stop taxing working tax payers i from this day forward am against helping the poor they gotten enough time for them to give back like get out and pick up trash police your neighborhood and start to stop hand outs as you can see this is a crazy thing to me TAX the Dead while freeloaders do nothing and lay around getting these suckers reelected and take our tax dollars to keep the freeloaders voting for them well get ready to change.IAM SO SURPRISED BY THIS TAX TAX THE THE DEAD DEAD

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  • belleharbor
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:24am

    America we are worried about our feelings here our government is Broken.Obama,Congress,Senators and all other Law Breakers How dare you allow our system Fall to this low state you are not owed a single dollar of a dead American how dare you. it blows my mind death tax STOP TAXS You are a bast-tard for doing this i had no idea you are a crime organization,Tax The dead i cant believe that iam voting all you incumbents out i dont care what party TAX THE DEAD are you for real ??????

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  • Pelicans View
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:20am

    Sad that this is the choice they are left with. I wonder how many are wishing now that they did not support the liberal bloodsuckers in 2008, even after they were told their wealth would be spread around. We must always remember…our enemies are weakest when confronted early. People that voted for liberal Democrats should come to realize that ‘the chickens have now come home to roost.’

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 11:23am

      Yeah when BHO had his ‘moment’ with plumber Joe every one in the nation should have realized what BHO stood for. Talk about sticking your head in the sand! The government has NO right to take your childrens’ inheritance no matter how much it is or who else thinks it is too much. I hope I can hand over all I have worked for in this life to my child when I die, I have surrendered enough of my money to the government.

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  • quarter horseman
    Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:07am

    I dont blame them.

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    • sliderblaze
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:19am

      blame who?

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    • rebel
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:26am

      come on wyoming , just cheat on your taxes like your leaders! no need to die! gosh!

      quiet little lamb  
    • Dustyluv
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:39am

      The problem is that their children who inherit the place will be faced with the same burden later…and they cant do the same.

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    • quarter horseman
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:46am

      I dont blame the people who plan to discontinue dialysis and other life-extending medical treatments so they can die before Dec. 31.

      So they can pass along their businesses to their children and grandchildren than see the federal government take a large chunk.

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    • GOPatheist
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:00am

      DEAD PEOPLE CAN”T PAY TAXES. THE’RE DEAD! The heirs who may have done nothing to earn a penny of the dead person’s wealth pay the taxes. The estate tax affect less than 2% of all estates. Is it fair for some rich kid to get a billion dollars tax free because they had successful parents while working people pay 30-40% of their earned income in taxes, including Social Security, income, sales, property and many others. Sorry if these fools are so greedy that they would rather die sooner than pay taxes good riddance to them. Besides most of them have been using lawyers and CPAs to avoid paying their taxes anyway. Also what does that say about their children? Would they sit by and watch their parents die so that they could get more money from the dead mother or father. That’s pretty selfish and sick.

       
    • Pelicans View
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:09am

      Question for GOPATHEIST: Is it fair that you have any say at all in what people leave to their loved ones, when it‘s pretty obvious that you’ve been a bottom feeder for some time?

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    • TruthTalker
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:18am

      GOPatheist
      I would like to educate you. Please try to keep up. No rancher or farmer out there made their money without using their family as workers. Period. Yes, their sons and daughters worked as hard as grown adults when they were children and helped earn every penny on that farm/ranch. That is how it works. Obviously you were raised as a city slicker and can’t fathom the concept of being woke up at 4:30 am to tend to chores before going to school and then as you took that long bus ride on gravel roads back home after school knowing you had much more work to do before sitting down for the evening meal. I speak from experience and I lothe people like you who form uninformed opinions so quickly, with your nose in the air, confident you are so knowledgeable. You don’t know jack sh@#

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    • Justthefactsmam
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:27am

      @GOPATHIEST
      The people that get hurt are that farmers and small businesses that have a lot of value in their assets (land, machinery etc) that get caught up in the death tax. Around here, it only takes 200 acres of land, not a large farm by any stretch, before they are in that “rich” class, not even counting the hundreds of thousands of dollars they have invested in the tractors etc to work the farm. That is the biggest reason family farms and businesses go away.

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    • Flashover
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:28am

      @GOPatheist

      These people worked their whole lives and built this wealth. They have already paid higher tax rates on it than any other class of people pay on their’s. It is there right to pass on this pretaxed wealth to anyone they please. Estate taxes are nothing more than an attempt at stealing another man or woman’s property to spread it around. It is time to do away with The Death Tax for all people.

      This is family wealth. A man or woman has the right to work all his life and save his money with the intent to pass it on to his children. That is what parents do. They try to make life better for their children.

      Government has no right to undermine a family. Maxist get a two for one with this tax thee can undermine the family and spread the wealth around.

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    • LadyLiberty
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:28am

      the ‘death’ tax is coming bck and it means a jump from 0 in some cases to 55%

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    • snrub
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:30am

      I’m dieing to save money too, but this seems a bit extreem.

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:44am

      Well, that’s working out well for the Progressives. The nudge they need to say, “See, that wasn’t so bad, was it. They were going to die anyway.” Personally, I think they ought to be setting the example.

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    • Goobergregory
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:54am

      @GOPATHIEST Wow… Seems you know nothing of farming and ranching. The estate taxes affect them to the point of everything that the entire family (I do mean the WHOLE family from children all the way up) has worked for will likey have to be sold just to pay the estate taxes. There goes the family farm or ranch…. good move. I am sorry that it offends you that rich brats get to benefit from this too, but you cannot give it to some and not others. Too many people would lose what has taken generations to achieve because the gvmt has become so bloated and greedy! Now who are the Greedy whores?

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    • tjdavid21444
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:07am

      @GOPATHIEST – “The heirs who may have done nothing to earn a penny of the dead person’s wealth pay the taxes…” And the people who receive those taxes i.e. the government, have done nothing to earn them either. So what is your point? That it’s selfish to want to pass on something to your heirs? That’s the kind of progressive, wealth distribution nonsense that we’re trying to stop. The people who EARNED the money also EARNED the right to pass on the fruits of their hard efforts and smart decisions to their heirs. I don‘t give a rat’s ass whether the heirs earned it or not. Because you know what? The eventual recipients of it, if it’s confiscated by the government, won’t have earned it either. Unless you consider remaining on the public dole “earning” it.

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    • gbeck2012
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:36am

      Discontinue dialysis. Extubate yourself from the vent. Stop taking your antihypertensives. Accidently take too much insulin.
      Dont wait til December 31. Do it before November 2.
      Thanks. Peace and Love.

       
    • GOPatheist
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:43am

      OK you idiots why not just end all taxes? No army, no highways, no Social Security or Medicare…
      Dead people are DEAD. Seems like they don’t need to have any money now. Get it? 95% of family farms pay no estate tax. For those that do the first several million dollars od value is exempt. The whole family farm argument is total BS. How about the children of hedge fund managers who are taxed only 15% on their earning while alive. Should their heirs get a few billion tax free while the rest of us who work pay taxes? You people simply don’t get it. So call me names and spew your hate but the reality is that a very small percentage of estates are actually taxed and even those get several million tax free before the tax triggers. It is very unlikely any of you here will ever be affected but you will pay taxes on mostly everything you earn and then will be “double” taxed when you purchase goods or services. After all wasn’t all of your income subject to taxation and the money removed before you all even got your Walmart paychecks?

       
    • Beckofile
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:47am

      Let’s see… My life is close to the end and I own a family business or family ranch. The value on Dec. 31 is 100% my family”s. The value on Jan 1st is 45% my family’s and 55% the government. If we are talking about my family having to sell the family ranch in order to give the government over half then I may have to save my heritage by exiting a little early. The real question is why anyone needs to even think this way? Explain how my ranch belongs to the government?

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    • walkwithme1966
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:51am

      Give me a break – do you really believe what the idiot says – this is got to be the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard and those of you who believe that are just as ridiculous. Plus – are you sure that the tax on inheritance is going up as of Dec.31? Just checking!
      http://maboulette.wordpress.com

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    • Beckofile
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:58am

      Gopatheist
      UMMMM. ….The top 10% of earners pay 90% of the taxes. The bottom 50% of earners pay about 0% of the taxes. The Urban centers are full of elitist like you and those who have no sense what is like to be a millionair on paper while you fight a storm in the middle of the night to save your cattle.
      UMMM, Why does my grandpa’s ranch belong to some guy in a city. It is time for us to re-indoctrinate you with the constitution. The fruits of grandpas labor or mine should go where we want it and not you.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:10am

      More sad commentary about the devastating effects of the Dems actions on tax increases. Also some interesting remarks by Dem bloggers here…. I say that a person works all his/her life to build a ranch or other business (which serves all of us btw) and he/she is suddenly faced with the reality that Obama’s government is going to screw their children by forcing a sale of their property is b.s. All this because there are a bunch of greedy people of all stripes in Washington supported by a bunch of jealous Dems. The love of money may be a great evil but unbridled jealousy and the love of power is far worse.

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    • GOPatheist
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:10am

      The bottom 50% pay 14% Social Security on 100% of their income vs the less than 0.1% the very high earners pay, 7-10% sales taxes, state and local taxes, Medicare taxes plus numerous other taxes. They probably pay an effective rate of over 25%. Besides even if they did pay 0% on their $35,000 income I’d rather be the guy making a billion a year paying 95%. You see I’d still have $50 million after taxes vs the other guys 35 grand. That is why we have a progressive tax system. Those who can afford it pay more.

       
    • be heard
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:11am

      Yes keep the army (bring them home), let states take care of their roads, and No to Social Security (grandfather it out), and no to Medicare and Medicaid.

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    • Rickfromillinois
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:13am

      The money that is taxed has been taxed when earned already. Why should it be taxed again when it is passed on to these people’s children. To say it only affects 2% of the people is like saying it’s okay to discriminate against only 2% of U.S. citizens. It is never okay no matter how few. As for the simplistic argument why should the heirs get allot of money for nothing the answer is that because their parents worked all of their lives for it at nearly 50% tax rates, saved the money to pass onto their children, and the government steps in and takes another 50% cut. The question should be why should they have to pay anything. This class warfare b.s. is getting old which is one of the reasons that the liberals are in trouble. Instead or worrying about anyone who makes more then you why don’t you worry about yourself. It you think that we aren’t taxed enough stop claiming exemptions on your tax returns and even send more money to the IRS then required. Jealousy is such an ugly animal.

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    • razor419
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:27am

      sorry gopatheist… we get it, you don’t. your premise is that when people die their money belongs to the government. sorry, but it doesn’t work that way. when you say, “Should their heirs get a few billion tax free while the rest of us who work pay taxes?” you are asking the wrong question. you should say, “How much money should the heirs be forced to forfeit to the government, after their parents have already paid taxes and obviously taken many risks that have SIGNIFICANTLY grown the economy?” how do you know the money the government confiscates wouldn’t have been used to build a successful business that would have provided desperately needed jobs?
      and yes, walkwithme, i am positive the death tax is scheduled to go back into effect on jan 1. i believe there was legislation offered by the democrats to put it at 45%… republicans wanted 35%. neither could get enough votes so we’re stuck with 55%. which is absurd, considering the gift tax equal to the highest individual tax rate. so people will now start gifting away their money to get under the estate tax threshold.

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    • grandmaof5
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 12:25pm

      USAMAMA, thank you, I loved your story. My step-father (more my real father) ‘s family came from Hungary – dad, mom and seven children. Dad died soon after and mom took in laundry (NYC) to support the family. They also came thru Ellis Island as most did back then, legally. All are dead now but they worked as soon as they could to help keep their family together. Dad ended up a stock broker in FL and very well respected. He started out as an elevator operator (read constantly) and then a runner on Wall Street, worked hard and made a great living. He didn’t have to adopt me but he did and taught me “hard work never killed anyone” (his favorite saying). God bless your family, they should be an inspiration to future generations.

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 1:53pm

      @GOPATHIEST…In answer to your question yes it is fair. The old people earned it. You didn’t.

      The satisfaction of making your own way in life feels a whole lot better than envy. You should try it sometime.

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    • Matty1631
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 2:05pm

      Folks beck warned us this was coming.

      People are being forced to commit suicide because of fear of higher taxes.

      Soon we will be forced to have late term abortions so our children will not be forced to pay higher income taxes.

      Next tuesday we will send the teabaggers to washington!!!

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 2:29pm

      I guess the trolls are out in force today.

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    • USAMama
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 2:53pm

      @ GRANDMAOF5, I love your story also! I think most Americans have stories like ours but we are being lied to by the progressive elites who want people to believe that you can’t make it without a hand out. I didn’t finish college, I took the other route and fell in love, married and started a family at a young age. My husband and I don’t own our home and have one car between us but in America thats OK. We get by just fine and I love our simple life. What we have is OURS and I am proud of that. My sister, like I said, spent 12 yrs after high school working to become a DO. She put her personal life on hold, she got married but has put off having kids despite wanting to because she wanted to get her career going and she also should be very proud of that. Is she making good money now, yes. Am I entitled to it? Heck no. I could not have done the things she has done or seen the things she has seen. But she has the determination, the will and the heart to do it, and she deserves every penny she gets.

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    • USAMama
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 3:05pm

      On another note, my husband didn’t finish college either, but he started his job 8 yrs ago as a line cook in a local restaraunt for minimum wage and is now the Executive Chef. God Bless America for giving him that opportunity. Hard work does pay off.

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    • Anarcho Capitalist
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 6:48pm

      GOPATHEIST
      Some one once said…
      ” Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no bettor with it. Do not think that is should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune.”
      The person who said that was an atheist herself…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GK_fRM8SO0&feature=related check it out. Its a speech called ‘money the root of all good.

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    • Impeach-BO
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:44pm

      Its Matty1631, the Libtroll. Haha Made a funny. Kind of fitting don’t ya think little matty?

      At least GOPatheist is not a liar like you. He‘s wrong but he doesn’t claim to be a tea partier and keep using “*********” as a degroatory word. You lose, A-gain. lol

      And as for GOPatheist, you first need to explain what/who gives the “right” to take a US citizens money. And some 1000 page crappy document some bureaucrat wrote don’t count. All these “taxes” are really unconstitutional. There are only a few real taxes that need to be paid for the military, etc. This “general welfare” clause has been blown out of context. When you make someone pay a higher % of taxes than someone else that in itself is discriminatory. Where are the cries of fairness then?

      It’s only because there are fewer wealthier people so the “mob” of masses of poor people make the illegal law for the fewer to pay more. The fewer have no voice. I am in favor of cutting back on taxes in general and going with a flat tax. Everyone will pay the “same” percentage.

      Cut all the wasteful spending as well. Zero earmarks and congressional term limits.

      Oh, and littly matty go deuchebag somewhere else. :-)

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    • CatB
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 7:52pm

      If you had a sizable estate .. are in ill health and knew that you could pass that money on to your family if you die before Dec 31st TAX FREE… who wouldn’t make that “happen” !

      Besides Obamacare will just keep you alive long enough to tax the heck out of you .. and then deny you treatment! I would stop treatment also and scr*w over the government .. that money was TAXED when you made it .. you should be able to pass it on!

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    • *************************
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:29pm

      Obama! It’s NOT your money! (And STOP taking your entourage of 800 progressives (communists) traitors all over the world for your secret U.S.A.-overthrow meetings with foreign governments.)

      [stage show song]
      “Here I stand, the goddess of desire
      Set men on fire
      I have this power.
      Morning, noon, and night, it’s dwink and dancing
      Some quick womancing
      And then a shower.
      Stage door Johnnies constantly suwwound me
      They always hound me, with one wequest.
      Who can satisfy their lustful habits?
      I’m not a wabbit.
      I need some west.” -Lili Von Shtupp, Blazing Saddles

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    • Badler
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 8:31pm

      @gopathetic, Life ain’t fair. Get over it, and get your hand out of other people’s pockets, loser.

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    • ozz
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:56pm

      @GOPatheist I hate how you use the government to steal from me. All taxes are extortion. The Fed is supposed to run off of tariffs, and it did for along time. Then came the people like you. You should be thankful people like me are not atheists. That is the only reason people like you still live here.

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    • Thoth
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 9:56pm

      @GOPatheist you are so wrong. If you spent your life working on a farm for next to no money, and just the wholesome goodness of earning a living on the land, raising livestock & growing food, would you want to have your entire farm & land taken away from you because you died in 2011 instead of 2010? Your children, your family tossed out and thrown to the winds of fate?

      Estate taxes were designed 80 years ago, and there were no adjustments for inflation. Land value has grown so high in many markets. It has happened where to inherit the business, assets of your parents will generate hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes. The only way the successors can pay for it, is to liquidate their entire estate. If was not supposed to rob families of their livelihoods, or prevent familys form inheiriting their lifeswork.

      Read up on it. It is grossly unfair. Imagine if your own parents died next year, and the government suddenly demanded you pay them millions of dollars because your parents just happened to own property in California or New York….

      ~Thoth

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    • A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 10:09pm

      GOPATHEIST,

      A progressive tax system is either theft or favoritism (and therefore unconstitutional) because it treats one person different than another.

      A flat tax would bring in more tax dollars the more productive a person is.

      Also, I wanted to say to you that if someone earns a bajillion dollars, and he’s already paid his [flat] taxes on them, then the wealth that he created has already been taxed, and all the rest belongs to him, such that if he wants to give it all to someone else, that is his right, and it ought not be taxed again.

      Remember that fiat money is basically worthless, and that it merely REPRESENTS the wealth that someone CREATED. Once wealth is created, it shouldn’t be taxed more than once, because to do so means that we’re working for the government, rather than the government working to ensure that individuals can support themselves with the fruits of their own labor.

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    • dressseller
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 11:12pm

      This story and some of the responses here just sum up in a tidy little way what exactly is WRONG with this country today. How idiotic and foolish are you who say the government is entitled to someone’s wealth when they pass away. You say the dead person is dead and doesn’t need their wealth.. well, DUH.. ..but, that means that they aren’t entitled to leave it to whomever they please??? Their heirs or charity organization or pet hamster for that matter of the deceased person‘s choosing aren’t entitled to it because THEY didn’t work for it??? ….That‘s just the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard ..but just supposing for one second that your argument actually had any merit.. …and going with your own stream of logic here.. how exactly IS THE GOVERNMENT entitled to any of what this dead person worked to acquire while he was living?????? Did The GOVERNMENT work for it?? ..I‘m willing to bet you the heirs of this dead person did far more to ’deserve’ the inheritance than the government ever did!!! …The dead person in all liklihood paid the same overly burdensome amount of taxes that most hard working people pay while he was living. Taxed at every turn and any time the government could figure out another way to screw him. So… in death.. is it too damn much to ask that what’s leftover after a person passes away be left to those of his choosing? …………And the argument about ‘Well, I guess YOU don’t want roads and highways and parks and…. blotty blotty blotty…” …OH SAVE IT!!.. that’s another stupidest thing I ever heard. ..NO ONE minds paying reasonable taxes to a reasonable government to maintain and uplift the country that we love. So shut the pie hole on that one. Your argument is without merit.. ..We are NOT talking paying reasonable taxes here. We are talking about run-away taxation on a people who are increasingly fed up with it by a government who has become arrogant, oppressive, bloated, wasteful, self-interested and in many instances downright evil.

      Sour grapes is all it is. You, who don‘t want to or can’t figure out how to make a good deal of money in your lifetimes can’t stand to see others who worked hard and made it …have something to pass along to those you are jealous of. And I know of what I speak because I run a small business. Please tell me this.. ..When I am up at 2a.m. about to fall asleep on my invoices.. where is the government? Where are YOU? When I am bone tired at the end of a 15 hour work day.. where is the government?.. Where are YOU? ..When I am stressing over the financials or worried about the shipping or inventory.. where is the government?.. Where are YOU????? ..When I am not sure my decisions for my business are the correct ones and I suffer when they are not and I rejoice when they are… WHERE ARE YOU??..and THE GOVERNMENT????? ..Funny, but I don’t REMEMBER you or the government being there with a helping hand so please kindly withdraw your gimme hand. …..You know.. In my worst times of hardship striving to do the very best I can to earn a living and make it I have never one time looked up and seen YOU or the GOVERNMENT there to so much as give me a pat on the back and motivate me to keep going. So, I have one request and one request only from YOU and the GOVERNMENT who do very little to see me through the difficult times.. And here is my request.. After I have worked and struggled and managed on my on with the support of those I love…to actually have a little something that I have earned and…God Forbid….have enough of it left to leave behind for my family when I am gone.. Please Dear Entitled-Feeling-Person and Dear Government… …KEEP YOUR GRIMEY PAWS THE HELL OFF OF IT!

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    • Anarcho Capitalist
      Posted on October 30, 2010 at 11:32pm

      I posted the answer for you guys. Why not just click on it?

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    • alienguns
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 1:02am

      GOPatheist…..spoken like a true receiver of gov. handouts…….have you ever had a job or are you one of BHO minions of college kids waiting for him to redistribute the wealth………….if people work and earn their way and if they want to leave their children hundreds or millions or billions it is none of the governments business nor yours…now go get a job, quit sponging off your parents and see if you can leave your kids something besides a nanny state

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    • LadybugsTX
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 4:31am

      HEY GOPATHIEST, aka Soros minion/useful Democrat idiot. Did you not take the time to read the fine print silly boy? We’re talking about farmers and ranchers here not privaliged Wall Street types you moron. These people work from sun up to sun down doing manual labor on a farm that has been passed down from generation to generation. Do you even get what it’s like for your financial risk to be in the hands of nature? To bank your success on good weather, that your livestock remains disease free and/or the banks still will still extend your line of credit to live until your ANNUAL payday comes? Most of those silver spoon brats your so jealous of start working with their parents as soon as they’re big enough to carry a milk pail. What do you do when the time comes, knowing your kids are going to have to pay 50% of their inheritance, i.e. THE FAMILY FARM in estate tax? Pray tell me douchebag, how do you pay 50% of a farm? I’ll tell you how, you have to sell half of it off. How is that a good thing?

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    • longhorn mama
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 7:03am

      @GOPATHEIST
      I don’t need to go into how this is devastating for the small family business, ranch, or farm and we are taxing assets that have been taxed many times before. Other posters have beat me to it already. But my question for you is this. Why do you call yourself GOP atheist when you are obviously a member of the un-American party of ENVY? Even if this was only affecting billionaire fund managers, what makes death a taxable event? Why does the government have the right to compensate and redistribute the assets of a family? Who gave government that power? We need either the flat tax or the Fair tax to wipe out all this nonsense. Governmental redistribution of wealth and a progressive income tax are MARXIST!

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    • BehindBlueEyes
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 9:57am

      @GOPatheist
      Quite simply you have your head where the sun don’t shine. The wealth that individuals have accumulated over their lifetime has already been taxed. There is not a single item or service that can be purchased that isn’t taxed somewhere in the chain of production and delivery. Now the greedy government wants to tax it again when you die. This death tax is outrageous and amounts to double taxation. It has the biggest impact on the family’s of farmers and ranchers.
      You my friend are misinformed and quite simply not too bright.

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    • Compete or Lose
      Posted on October 31, 2010 at 10:47am

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      It is sad and true.
      A good friend of mine had a long and successful career working for an international company setting up factories all around the world. In May he was diagnosed with cancer that is not curable but with aggressive chemotherapy could have extended his life possibly to 2012. Instead in September, he went into his garage, started up his car, sat down next to the tailpipe and shot himself in the head. He left a note indicating that as long as his death was certain he preferred to leave more for his children and grandchildren without taxes and expressing his desire to not be a 2 year progressivly worse burden.

      I dont know that I would have done what he did, but I do understand.

      Good luck George.

      RGS

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