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Islamic Scholar: We Hope to ‘Raise the Banner of the Caliphate Over the Vatican’

File this one under the emerging evidence that Islam, when politicized, is anything but a “religion of peace.”

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) has uncovered a disturbing video showing Dr. Subhi Al-Yaziji, Dean of Koranic Studies at the Islamic University of Gaza, explaining what the eventual goal of the Islamic Palestinian protesters is after they have successfully gotten their own nation. Hint: It involves conquering Spain and the Vatican.

We are not kidding. Here’s a frame-by-frame in case you can’t believe your eyes the first time.

 

Islamic Scholar Subhi Al Yaziji Says The Eventual Goal After Conquering Gaza is to Conquer Spain and the VaticanIslamic Scholar Subhi Al Yaziji Says The Eventual Goal After Conquering Gaza is to Conquer Spain and the VaticanIslamic Scholar Subhi Al Yaziji Says The Eventual Goal After Conquering Gaza is to Conquer Spain and the VaticanIslamic Scholar Subhi Al Yaziji Says The Eventual Goal After Conquering Gaza is to Conquer Spain and the VaticanIslamic Scholar Subhi Al Yaziji Says The Eventual Goal After Conquering Gaza is to Conquer Spain and the VaticanIslamic Scholar Subhi Al Yaziji Says The Eventual Goal After Conquering Gaza is to Conquer Spain and the VaticanIslamic Scholar Subhi Al Yaziji Says The Eventual Goal After Conquering Gaza is to Conquer Spain and the Vatican

Andalusia, for those that don’t know, means Spain. Apparently the Islamic world is still holding a grudge on behalf of the Moorish settlers who used to live there.

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  • LolaB
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:31am

    Absolutely…this is where the message of Fatima comes in indeed. It will not be Pope Benedict but the NEXT pope that will be murdered. Please please read up on Fatima…you will see what is about to happen if people do not turn back to God.

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    • chips1
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:53am

      People always look around trying to find someone to save them. The only one that fits that description, is you!!!

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    • Chloesmom
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:11pm

      Forget about Fatima and go to the word of God – the Bible

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:48pm

      It will be a cold day in hell before anyone ‘Raises the Banner of the Caliphate Over the Vatican’ or see an Islamic flag over the White House.

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:51pm

      Chloesmom – you can forget about Fatima, but many of the predictions have come to past. The Bible is a beautiful book to find answers and I admire you for searching there and all else who do so.

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    • VigilantGuardShark
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:30pm

      I for one would stand behind any Western Leader who will Publically recognise that Islam is at war with the ‘West’ and that Muslims will use any and every tactic to acheive their dream. If the West continues to turn a blind eye and act unconcerned with the continued violent spread of Islam, Our Great-grandchildren will be Muslim or our lineage will have been ended by a sword.

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    • Bill Rowland
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:47pm

      These are the people who Sweet Old Barack and Hilrod assured us we could work with, that they were nice guys and just misunderstood. Are we misunderstanding what this guy and other leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood are saying/
      Remember Sweet Old Barack and his worshipers will have 81 days from Nov 6 to Jan 26. If they don’t try Martial law they will definitely try to change the chartacter of our government thru Executive order and departmental regulations. The new administration will spend 6 months trying to identify and negate the garbage.

      OMG Nov 6, 2012

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    • smokey888x2
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:39pm

      There’s a lot of people, with the help of public education, who just don’t care or know much about religion.

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    • JThunder
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:08pm

      The Fatima prophecies say nothing about Benedict being the second to last Pope or about “Peter” – the prophesied “final Pope”. These ideas come from the supposed prophecies of St. Malachy. These prophecies reputedly list all the Popes from St. Celestine (12th Century) to the end of the Papal age.

      The problem with the prophecies of St. Malachy is that they were not published until 1595. All of the Popes on the list between St. Celestine and the time of publication are represented with very clear descriptions coinciding with each pope. However, the descriptions of many of the popes after 1595 are vague, many require severe interpretive and logical contortions to make them fit with the popes they supposedly represent.

      The prophecies of St. Malachy have never been approved or endorsed by the Magisterium of the Church either. I believe they are not authentic.

      The prophecies, or secrets, of Fatima were given to three children by the Virgin Mary in Portugal in 1917. The first two secrets dealt with hell and the consecration of Russia. The third secret remains controversial. Thought he official version of the third secret released in 2000 discusses a future persecution of the Church and the Holy Father it does not specify when these events will take place or the name of the Pope in question.

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    • armyofnibiru
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 3:24pm

      is that why satan has been collecting those big piles of wood.the snow will start to fall in hell soon . if obamby wins in 2012, satan will need a blast furnice.

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  • Airborne Infidel
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:27am

    We are paying a dear price for bombing and murdering our Christian brothers and sisters in Serbia and Croatia during the war in the Balkans. William Jefferson Clinton ordered United States servicemen to kill Christians in order to “protect” Muslims from being “ethnically cleansed” in Kosovo. Those brave Christians were fighting the War on Terror 10 years before we were…..and we betrayed them in front of the whole world.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:29am

      The House of Saud and their minions in the Sate Department have deceived Americans into fighting for their deity, Allah, many times.

      We should not do it. And we should not have muslims in the military. And we should not have muslims on American soil. They are THE ENEMY.

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    • Cowboy
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:36pm

      But the Muslims are so appreciative for it…

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:37pm

      MIKE — you sound little different than a radical Muslim.

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    • Dan_o
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:47pm

      BRUCE, what’s that? I can’t hear you with your head in the sand looking for a utopia.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:01pm

      Please, tell me how Trivosonno‘s hatred is any different than any other radical Muslim’s?

      Oh yeah, it’s because Trivosonno is a good Christian soul, so his genocidal lust is okay by Christ…

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    • AvengerK
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:17pm

      Nice try BRUCIE…when was the last time a christian boarded a plane with a bomb on his person? When was the last time a christian few a plane into the WTC? When was the last time a christian beheaded an American while yelling “Allah o’ackbar”, filmed it and put it on the internet.
      And come on BRUCIE..why did you lose the nifty Star Trek symbol of your faith?

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    • radargeek
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:18pm

      You are absolutely right brother!

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    • Allegate
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:01pm

      @All above
      While it may be so that SOME Muslims did these things, you cannot condone the condemning of a whole race for doing such things, as Trivisonno wishes. It may also be true that he does not wish this ‘muslims on our soil’ instead of killing them, as Bruce suggested, but it is true that he is blaming an entire race of people for the actions of but a few. If Christians (a few, just the same as those who committed the Muslim -> Christian atrocities) were to do this elsewhere in the world, and (if Christianity and Catholicism were not the religions backed by the most powerful nations in the world) how would one such as all people above me, with their belief in Muslim exodus of Allied territories. Doing such an action would turn any neutral, or even US-supporting, Muslims, or at least many, against the nation that just removed them. This is foolish.

      While I agree that the governments of the Allies need to stop concentrating so hard on the economic tribulations (but they can’t ignore them) and start focusing more on the ‘quiet’ Terrorists. They need to stop saying ‘Oh, it was 11 years ago. They probably don’t even consider doing something like 9/11 again.‘ and start recognising that ’Oh Lord, they’re definitely going to do it again.’

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    • Allegate
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:16pm

      @Avengerk
      Your point is entirely invalid. If a Christian were to ever do those things, it would not make him Christian (What Christian doesn’t worship God, at least in a small way? What Christian worships Allah? They don‘t that’s what ‘Follower of Christ’ means). No, you have to compare it to other atrocities.

      Sure, there haven’t been many in the last few centuries, but there are certainly worse things than what has been done to Christians.
      As a well-known figure once said “As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.”

      The Christians of the 2nd Century thought similar, and slaughtered thousands (pointlessly) under their King in the famous Crusades. The ultimate purpose of this ‘Holy War’ (which ended the lives of over 1,000,000 people – 3,000,000 people) was merely to cement Christianity as a belief.

      Moving on in time, we come to the massacre of the American Indians throughout the development of America. As popularly taught, the Indians were ‘atrocious and horrid, inhumane’. However, we now know that these Indians were just copying what the White Christians had done to THEM. After the large group of Indians in ‘Little Big Horn’ was successful in their defence in the battle of Little Big Horn, despite it being DEFENCE against General Custer’s ATTACK, the Indians were condemned.

      Moving back to that earlier quote, it is taken directly from the mouth of Hitler. How many did thi

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    • Allegate
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:43pm

      -s man kill?

      At least 6 million. Just from the Jews.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:07pm

      Allegate
      New member since June 12, 2012. You arrived just in time for some gold, ole Christian bashing.
      Why don’t you review the Battle of the Trenches. Another thing is that your whole liberal spiel about the crusades starts in 1095.

      Of course those stupid Christians would have no ideal of what happened in Visigothic Spain, the razing of the great city of Carthage. The slave bases at Fraxenitum & Miturno. The invasion the Levant, Syria, Anatolia & Sicily &southern Italy. The slaughter Berbers in Libya & the beheading of the Berber queen.

      Really? You trotted out the same ole sh_t.

      You do know that Indians scalped other Indians before the arrival of the Europeans?

      You do know that that Iroquois Mohawk is a warrior’s haircut to make their scalp not worth scalping.

      The Iroguois made raids all along the southern great lakes to wrest control of the beaver trade from the Ojibwa (i.e for profit if you fail to understand; more like you refuse to understand).

      You do realize that the Iroquois wiped out the Mahican tribe for profit. They wanted to control trade with the Dutch.

      You do realize that the Iroquois raided as far as North Carolina against other Indian.

      You do realize that the Iroquois initially pushed into New York state against hunter gathers (Algonquian) that they out numbered as agriculturalists & took their land. Much as the Apache came down form the Canadian Rockies in AD 800 & took land from Indians there.

      Read some more books

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:13pm

      Allegate

      The world according to Allegate

      Indian vs Indian – OK
      European vs European – not ok
      European vs Indian – major sin

      You do realize that the native Americans came in 3 major waves. No doubt there was intermarriage & fusion. there was probably a lot of killing too. Why don’t you study maps of the linguistic groups. They are not pretty.

      There was also input from Polynesia & very probably neolithic Europe. But Indian groups want no DNA analysis of any remains done because they can;t control the fairy tale story.

      Sorry but you sound like a liberal. I am not buying your line. I have read too much, traveled too much & have been around too many cultures to buy your line of bull.

      Ward Churchill is that you?

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    • wdittgasn
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:21pm

      Sorry Bruce but you are wrong….. When it comes to islam, IT IS KILL OR BE KILLED…….

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    • jhrusky
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:58pm

      You crazies have proven one point … there are bad people in all races and religions.
      However, painting everyone in that ethnic group or religion with such a wide brush is intellectually dishonest. There are bad, good, and indifferent muslims just like there are bad, good and indifferent catholics, protestants, lutherans, baptists, and more; blacks, whites, indians and asians.

      Why do so-called “christian” people here harbor so much hate? Do you feel so inferior that you must pound your chest and espouse hate to make each other feel good?

      Yes, muslim men have created terror. Yes, if we were smart we would be profiling muslim men because it’s common sense to watch out for those whom you know are against you. However, it’s extremely unfair to label good muslim people, men, women and children, as being evil because some part of their “brethren” are. The same sort of crap is espoused by many of the blacks … we “crackers” are guilty by association … do you like that? Do you like being labeled because of the actions of a few?

      If you proclaim Christianity, try living as Christians should. Learn how to be smart enough to be aware of what is going on, but not to place guilt on someone before they are even tried. That is what our Bill of Rights is based upon, is it not?

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    • iampraying4u
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:18pm

      There was no roman cathiloc church for the first 325 years until the council of nicaea under constantine

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:26pm

      I look at everyone not Muslim in Muslims countries & they get fewer with each passing year. I see Muslims in Christian or other lands & they thrive.

      You can find good decent Muslims. But demographics & crime statistics tell a much large story.

      I’ve been in a large world famous (in the news) mosque (I sought permission.). I can calculate the odds very well thank you. Prejudice is much safer thankyou.
      It “ain’t” pretty. I sought permission.

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    • Allegate
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:31pm

      So what, Walkabout? I was not referring to Indian vs. Indian, or European vs. European… The Indian argument wasn’t even a point. Stop acting completely self-righteous when I was referring to the battle of Little Big Horn and nothing else. Due to the, as previously stated, ‘chest-pounding‘ of the ’Christians’ on here, I was merely referencing how the White ‘invaders’ of the Indian land destroyed almost their entire race in the context of the statement ‘Christians have never done anything’. Did you read anything about the Indian vs. Indian wars? No. As it wasn’t important.

      And yes, I joined today, everyone has to join sometime, but it is blind bigots like you who believe ‘Oh, well I have been a member for longer, so my opinion matters’. If you are going to bring up irrelevant points, then don’t even bother posting. I‘ve read enough about how trying to rationalise the crazy on here is ’Christian Bashing’. I have in fact resolved that the majority of these ‘Christian-defenders’ (completely intolerant of all other views, even mine, which was arbitrary) could more closely relate to the likes of the radical and blemish-like Westboro Baptist Church.

      I will also have you know that I am not trying to be a ‘LIBERAL FORCE OF HATE’, I am just trying to tell the commenter prior to me that he was coming off as a little ignorant. Additionally, you can’t just ignore something due to time distance, otherwise no-one here would say the name Jesus.

      Oh, and JHRUSKY,

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    • Allegate
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:43pm

      -thanks for being sane (JHRUSKY).

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  • Okie from Muskogee
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:07am

    How many attacks by Muslims terrorists have hit the Vatican? Zero. Why wouldn’t it be target #1? 

    How many times has the Pope(s) said Catholicism and Islam worship the same God? Several. Don’t you find that odd? 

    How similar is Catholicism and Islam? Almost identical. If you’re honest, it will scare you. 

    Islam will never raise the banner over the Vatican, the Vatican will bring Islam into the Vatican and tell us all they are a part of the one world religion, as we have already seen. You either bow, or die. That simple. 

    Sure, a militant Muslim cleric says they will conquer the world, just as a militant preacher says their God’s Word will conquer the world. 

    A fight is needed in order to create the need of a peacemaker. Ponder that….

    Have a good night. 

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:40am

      How similar is Catholicism and Islam? Not at all. Did Alex Jones tell you this?

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:42am

      “How similar is Catholicism and Islam? Almost identical. If you’re honest, it will scare you. ”
      ______________________________________________________________________________
      They aren’t similar in any way. Catholics believe in a Holy Trinity – Father, Son and Holy Ghost(Holy Spirit). Those are the actual words that Catholic say when they cross themselves. Muslims do not believe in a Holy Trinity. In fact, they believe that Jesus Christ and Mohammad were merely “prophets”, while Catholics believe that Jesus was the Son of God. You have no idea of what you’re talking about.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:00am

      Not an Alex Jones person… Are you a bath salt user? 

      Not at all alike? Collectivism, Mary worship, repetitive prayer, kills in God’s name for “Holy Land”, believe in mediator between you and God, prayer beads, mandated fasting,  deny faith alone salvation, adopt pagan festivals/traditions, believe in Theocracies,  have “holy shrines” (Vatican, Mecca) to look to, have their own divorce systems, believe in one world government…

      I can continue if you’d like….. 

      So yes, very much alike. Put down the bath salts and walk away. 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:08am

      DianeTx

      Catholics believe in ONE God. Muslims believe in ONE God. The Pope says its the SAME God. 

      Are you calling the Pope a liar and say you and Islam don’t worship the same God? 

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:19am

      Hey Okie,

      I‘m a Roman Catholic and can tell you that there isn’t any Mary worship in the Catholic Church. Catholics honor Mary as the human woman who was chosen to bring human form to one aspect of the Holy Trinity to Earth. Mary was chosen because her soul was sin free. Muslim women, ridiculously dress as Mary did thousands of years ago. Catholic women do not. You REALLY do not know what you’re talking about.

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    • GETLIFE
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:21am

      They are similar in that Islam is basically a political system, while in the past the Popes had political influence on the same level as kings. So they used the power derived from religious structures to furthur themselves politically.

      The questions for our times are–what has Christianity become? What has Islam become?
      Christianity’s holy book is full of “love thy neighbor.”
      Islam’s holy book is full of quite the opposite.
      Jesus never called for the killing of the enemy. Mohammud did, and killed many himself.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:36am

      Diane TX

      You didn’t answer my ?, do you agree with the Pope that you and Muslims worship the SAME one God or are you calling him a liar? 

      Covering of a woman’s body was part of Catholicism for quite some time, was it not? Why do nuns dress like Muslims? Rut roe…. 

      You might want to really soul search about you and those evil Muslims worshipping the same God as the pope says…. Until then…..

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:53am

      Hi GetLife-Hope you are well across the pond. 

      Islam is a religion just as much as Catholicism. Both worship God, both have laws, and both involve themselves in politics. The pope still has influence in every country on Earth, especially in politics. 
      #2PeasInAPod

      Correct, followers of Christ are to not murder in His name. How many crusades have been issued to die for Holy Lands by the popes? 

      If the US is a Christian nation, are the wars waged in recent history reflective of “love thy neighbor”? 

      I’m not here to defend Islam, but to hear so many mock it while practicing a faith identical to it and encouraging it to join them in worship of their supposed same one God is irony at its best and saddest. 

      As for killing of “infidels” you refer to, doesn’t it address that one cannot be forced to convert unless at war? 

      So, are the popes more like Mohammad or Jesus? I’d say Mohammad…… 

      Stay safe! 

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    • Simonne
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 4:56am

      It’s not at all similar. What have you been smoking?

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    • hillbillyinny
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:03am

      @ okie

      I see you are continuing the “Catholic Bashing” of yesteryear and of much more skilled than yourself–Charles Chick, and many others of the years that misquote, partially quote, and/or do not understand New Covenant (Catholic) thought and understanding as based on these things from the Old Covenant.

      Calling “honoring” someone, “worship of a mortal person” is to use words outside of their actual definition and understanding. Within the “Communion of Saints,“ asking for a fellow friend of God to ”pray for us,” is following Jesus’ direction to His Church/Family James 5:16 and many more (google, “pray for one another). God and all of the Saved who have preceeded us are “outside of time.” We are told that their is relationship with others Saved through Christ’s ONE,ETERNAL SACRIFICE. We are told that, “Before you were formed in your mothers’ womb, I knew you. . .” (see Psalm 139).

      Revelation 6 gives great insight on the “Souls of those who have been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.” But those who want to use Sola Scriptura (concept which is NOT IN THE BIBLE!), and came into the history of God’s People very late (~1500′s), want to determine for the House of Israel, and the original Apostles and Disciples of Jesus, and those who have protected and taught “the Faith” for generations, that the Holy Spirit has NOT LED THE CHURCH THROUGH OUT ALL TIME, NOR HAS JESUS BEEN WITH US THROUGHOUT TIME.

      God forbid

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:11am

      Hi Simmone

      How about instead of trying to distract with insults, you explain how they differ and disprove the listed similarities above? Are you too saying the pope is wrong when saying Catholics and Muslims worship the SAME God? 

      Reality is hard for some, but it’s still reality. Good luck and have a great night! 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:26am

      Hill Billy

      I see you are still coming out swinging at anyone who questions Catholicism that you perceive as negative, kinda like Muslims do when talking of Mohammad. How “love thy neighbor” of you. 

      Uhm, how does your crybaby rant relate to my post? It doesn’t, in case you are still trying to figure if it does. 

      Ive never studied anyone named Charles Chick. Sorry he upsets you so much. Love your neighbor and forgive. 

      Sola scripture:  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.  All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (KJV) 2 Timothy 3:15-17

      Have a great day! 

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    • jvlag3
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:37am

      @okie: What’s the difference between the Catholic church and Islam? The Catholic Church grew up and learned to live with one another… Islam is still in the dark ages (inquisition days of the Catholic church).

      And yes it’s the same God that is being worshiped, one correctly as Jesus told us and the other not worshiping as God intended.

      If you look at Genesis 21:12-13 you see that God blessed Abrahams two sons, his legitimate heir Isaac born of his wife Sarah and his son Ishmael thru his slave Hagar…

      12 But God said to Abraham, “Do not be distressed because of the lad and your maid; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her, for through Isaac your descendants shall be named. 13 And of the son of the maid I will make a nation also, because he is your descendant.”

      So if you really want to see how stupid the middle east is … both Islam and Judaism came from Abraham, except that the people of Israel are the chosen people and had God’s blessing. The prophet Muhammad uses his words to kill and Jesus used his sacrifice to heal… so yes there is a difference!

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:15am

      Yo Okie:

      I was hoping everything was OK, haven’t “seen” you for quite some time.
      I know we touched on this issue previously, and I believe that the religious leader that the anti-christ “teams” up with is islam. It is possible that the pope will “reach out’ and make peace … if so islam will be the nice parasite and promptly devour the host.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:16am

      The difference: Who would you want flying the plane your children were on, a Catholic or a Muslim? Unless you have a death wish or a RP Kook there is only one answer……..

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:25am

      JVLAG3

      I’m not sure we can say that in regards to growing up by the Catholic Church. But that’s for a later time. 

      I find that intriguing you are ok with saying you worship the same God as Muslims. But let me guess, they can worship “Allah” correctly as long as they do it through the Pope?!  I’m not sure I agree with Catholicism worshipping as Jesus told us too but again, for another time. 

      I wonder what it meant in Genesis 17:20 when it says Ishmael will beget 12 princes….. 

      So actually, both had God’s blessings. God just chose Isaac as the bloodline to hold a covenant with. A covenant that brought Jesus, the Messiah. 

      According to Paul, if you believe in Jesus Christ, you are seed of Abraham and heir to the promise. 

      I agree, Mohammad was a freak. Unfortunately, many leaders of Catholicism were more like Mohammad than they were like Christ and that’s still true today. :-( 

      Very thoughtful reply. Thank you. 

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    • Quiata
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:36am

      @OKIE Lest you forget, in St. Peter’s Square in 1981, Pope John Paul II was nearly assassinated by a young “Turk” named Mehmet Ali Agca. The Pope was struck by four bullets, two of which lodged in his abdomen.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:37am

      @4Truth

      Howdy my friend! I’m blessed as God is good. He’s found ways to keep me busy, should I say. I need to find more time to post here and will. As for the whole Pope thing, it’s already happening both in Islam and Catholicism. The Pope has met regularly with many Islamic leaders and has repeatedly said Islam worships the same God and in a way is a branch of Catholicism. Muslims love the pope. Anyhow, I hope you are well and am glad to see you still posting here. You stay safe. 

      @Republicorp

      How anti-Semitic of you! Please, just say no to bath salts Republicorp. Just say no. Say it with me, just say no, just say no.   

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:58am

      @Quiata

      Fair point. But if you recall, he didn’t do it in the name if “Allah” or for Islam but thought he did it for a communist group or the KGB of USSR. 

      If he were a Muslim assassin, he’d proudly say he did it for “Allah” as all the others recently have. Just a thought. Hope your day is good. 

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    • Quiata
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:20am

      @OKIE Do a liiiiiiiiittle more research….and don’t be an apologist. The guy was not a KGB operative nor a communist; he was a member of the “Grey Wolves”.

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    • Chromo200
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:40am

      There maybe similarities between religions, but one difference and that is the free will of choice. Christianity is a free will to believe in Jesus while islam does not allow free choice. Christians may have bastardized the religion, by making rules and regulations, but in the long run true Christians have walked away from these restrictive rules and gone to what Christ has directed us how to live. Muslims, educated or not see nothing wrong in killing people who don’t believe in islam.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:43am

      @Quiata

      Weren’t the Grey wolves like Neo-Fascists and not Islamic? I couldn’t recall if proven exactly who he was with as CIA touted the KGB and never recalled a Islamic militant being stated. Also he changed his story 100′s of times. A devout militant Muslim will say, I did it for Allah. 

      Apologist? That’s absurd. 

      Stop being irresponsible. Your faith requires responsibility and that includes being responsible for your faith’s mistakes and having the integrity and courage to call them out. Ponder that! 

      Have a good day. 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:57am

      Chromo200

      If not for Napoleon, Catholicism would still be the forceful visible head over all of Europe and the US and you‘d be killed if you didn’t bow/follow the Pope. He gave Catholicism the head wound that healed when Vatican became a Church/State again. Still to this day, most European countries say they are all Catholics by birth. Guess who formally  Protestant dominated US has become most like, Europe. Something to ponder as my faith sees those days returning. 

      Jihad is the same as crusade. War in defense of Israel is a crusade. 

      As for forced conversion in Islam. 

      Quran 2:256 “let there be no compulsion in religion.”

      Very good points by you though. Have a good day! 

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    • pennswoods
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:03am

      Islam has no one man in Mecca or anywhere else claiming to be the direct successor to Mohammed acting as Allah’s representative on earth and speaking for all Muslims.Islam does have the concept of the Caliphate, an Islamic Empire, to be used as the launching pad for a world wide Jihad to conqueror the world for Allah. This ancient Islamic Caliphate concept was the modern dream of Osama Bin Laden and his followers and all radical and not so radical Muslims. You may agree or disagree with the concept that the Bishop of Rome is the successor to the first Bishop of Rome, the Apostle Peter, and but you can not disagree that the only Christian Church before the Reformation to which 98% of all Christians identified with was the Latin Church in the West and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in the East. Even though those two branches of the Catholic Church were and are in schism, they are still are the Catholic (Universal) Church with unbroken roots back to Pentecost. How can over 25,000 Protestant denominations, sects, and cults each claim to have the “truth” when they broke with the historical Church at the time of the Reformation or with each other in the following centuries?

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:52am

      @OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE

      Mohammad is a false prophet, plain and simple. The pope is not going to say that even though he knows it is true. He cannot say it because his goal is to win over the muslims, not incite them to war.

      You have to ask yourself who Jesus was and why he came to earth.
      Then ask yourself who is mohammad and why would God call him.

      Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, who came to die for our sins, bring salvation and reveal the Gospel. Spreading that Word is the reason the church exists.

      Mohammad was a 40 year old eccentric, married Arab, who claimed to be a prophet. He claimed Jesus was just a man, he told the Arab people that they must kill or convert every jew, every christian and every pagan. He killed hundreds or people personally and his call has resulted in million of people killed, across Africa, Europe, Asia and of course the middle east.

      There is NO compatibly between Christianity and Islam. Muslims would not say they worship the same God as Christians. Allah is the One God of Abraham and islam rejects the trinity, Jesus as God and the Holy Spirit.

      You cannot believe in Jesus and you cannot believe in the bible and not know that muhammad is a false profit – they are literally irreconcilable religions.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:02am

      PennsWoods
      What is an Imam (Shiite) or Caliph (Sunni) and until then King?! 

      Again, Jihad and Crusade are one in the same. Just as you say this jihad to conquer the world is a Muslim dream, it’s also the dream of Catholicism and the Popes, no? 

      You have no way of proving “98% were either Latin or Orthodox”. We can prove from Pentecost on, there were many sects of followers of Christ, not just “Catholics”. 

      No, Peter was not a pope, the pope or leader of the “universal Church”. 

      As for Protestants, you mean when they woke up and stood up to a group of crooks saying they spoke for God and required you pay for forgiveness? Is that the “historical” church you speak of? The church that murdered those who did not bow, who used science or medicine, and who dared questioned the authority of such crooks? The “universal” church that has adopted pagan festivals and is more pagan than most pagans?!  Maybe the worldly church’s wicked ways opened the eyes of true believers leading them to truth. Have a great day! 

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:15am

      Hey Okie, welcom back. I haven’t seen you post over the last several months. I hope you are okay. We both know that I will not change your belief nor you will change mine. I can give you one difference. As a Catholic, I will not kill you because you worship differently than me. If I was a muslim, my goal would be to convert or kill you. Let’s face it. A long time has passed since Catholics and Protestants have engaged in a war.

      Given the fact that Spain was once a muslim country and islam did capture Constantinople and destroy the Eastern Orthodox faith. I believe this guy holds his goal as a real goal.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:22am

      InBlack

      Sure, Mohammad is a false prophet, just as the popes were/is false prophets too! Many popes were responsible for just as many if not double the lives Mohammad killed/had killed. Please see crusades and inquisition. 

      I’m quite aware of whom Jesus is and the pope(s) are no way reflective of Him but more of Mohammad. 

      Yes spreading the Word is what the Church was about. Unfortunately, many used the sword to spread it. See Conquistadors for example…

      The Trinity also rejects Jesus as God, does it not? It is the belief of ONE God in 3 forms. (which I find very untrue). For 3 bear record in Heaven. Holy, Holy, Holy! 

      You must also reject the notion Catholics and Jews worship the same God since they believe Jesus was just a man and reject Him as God and the trinity? 

      If you can’t see that Catholicism has/is trying to bring all religions under its authority you are not paying well enough attention. Hope your day is good! 

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:30am

      @OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE

      You know nothing of the Christian church. Jesus founded his church, it is recorded in John and in Acts.

      Peter was his 1st pope from Christ’s death through 67AD. The church settled in Rome after Peter’s death and spread throughout Europe anointing new bishops. The church defined the books of the bible, they also defined the Creed of the Christian Churches 325AD.

      Jesus never called for us to murder anyone. The members of Christ’s church have made errors, they have sinned, they are human. But, Christ leads his church back onto the correct path. He is the Shepherd and we are his sheep. Is God so weak that he would not find his lost sheep and bring them back? No. Would he create his church, yes we are it’s members, and then let it fall apart?

      Islam is an attack on the Christian church. They believe the Koran is written by God. The Koran says that Jesus in NOT the Lord. The Islamic faith demands that muslims purify the earth – eliminate all Christians and Jews and bring them all to the unitarian one god – Allah.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:37am

      Dismayed Vet

      Howdy man! Hope you are well! Not trying to catholic bash but was pointing out something many notice but don’t speak up about, similarities in the two faiths/practices and why. Just looking for good convo as we should do. 

      I have met many Muslims who‘d I’d trust my life with and have never ever tried to kill me for not converting or for telling them about Jesus. So we can’t brands all Muslims in that manner unless Catholics want to wear the brand of their radicals mistakes. 

      The USA will not allow the Varican to fall. They are to interconnected.  It just won’t happen. 

      Now a Caliphate, Sunni, is happening and we have been encouraging it to counter the 12ers of Persian Iran. 

      I love many Catholics, I’m just not hip on its faith as you know. The hypocrisy is what bothers me and the failure to question with boldness. 

      Islam and Catholicism do have a lot of similarities and one should question what they are and why. The pope is trying to reconcile Islam onto Catholicism and we should question that.  That‘s all I’m trying to do. 

      I do hope you stay safe and stay blessed. Peace to you my friend. 

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:50am

      @Okie

      You know its easy to make a straw-man and beat it to death, its another thing to actually learn what actually happened and why it happened.

      First the crusades were not a simple matter. Sure were there abuses, yes by people who fought, if you actually look at why the battles were fought in the first place it had everything to do with making Jerusalem and the rest of the holy land safe for Christians who were being killed and forced to convert to Islam at the time. The crusades were not one single event but multiple events, and no the Vatican was not in charge of them all, many were state sponsored expiditions. There were abuses surely, but if you asked the Orthodox and the Catholics who were in Jerusalem at the time that asked Christendom to intercede it kind of makes sense that in order to bring peace they had to fight the Muslim invadors. So too peaceful attempts were made to gain peace with the muslims ( see St. Francis and Sultan Malik al Kamil) There is a reason why the only people allowed to keep watch over the holy sites from the crusades until recently (during Muslim rule) were the Fransciscans (part of that mean Catholic Church) .

      Second its nice that you throw out that all scripture is inspired, and I agree. Yet one has to ask what constitutes scripture? Who says scripture is scripture? And sont give me the Holy Spirit tells me, cause in all honesty Mormons believe they are right as well, and Muslims think the Koran was from God…see authorit

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:53am

      InBlack

      You can write all your opinion gibberish you’d like on what you think I dont know but at the end of the day you must deal with the reality your infallible leader said Islam and Catholicism worship the same God. 

      Now, is it ok to tell a lie to “convert” Muslims as you suggest or would the real way be to tell the truth? What would Jesus do? Which is the pope being more like by “lying to convert”, Mohammad or Jesus? Exactly. 

      As for God’s Church, I assure you the Word clearly says its led by the Spirit, not some old greedy crooked man claiming to be Christ on Earth and the mediator between you and Christ. There is only ONE perfect man, Jesus. Anyone else claiming so is a liar. Any man saying he is the mediator between you and Jesus is a liar. 

      Now you can take your pride (a sin) of being the worldy universal church and see where it gets ya. Have a wonderful day. 

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:03pm

      @Okie

      We as Catholics are not saying that Islam saves, just recognizing an obvious truth. Put it this way:

      Granted, Muslims do not believe in the Trinity as we do. Nor do Jews. Yet we all believe in a Supreme Being who created and governs the universe. When St. Paul learned that the Greeks worshipped an unknown god (Acts 17:23), he identified that god as our God. Muslims worship the one God to the degree that they know him—which in our view, is a very very limited knowledge.

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    • Dismayed Veteran
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:04pm

      @Okie

      The concept of the Trinity is not exclusive to the Catholic Church. Most main stream Protestant churches also believe in the Trinity concept. It is my assumption that Fundamentalists and Evangelicals believe in the Holy Spirit as witnessed in the speaking in tongues. Of course, my knowledge is on the thin side.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:19pm

      JoBoWW

      Isn’t it odd that the 1st crusade was Roman Catholics against Jews and Muslims teamed up?! 

      Is a crusade the same as jihad to you? It is to me and are we to kill in Jesus’s name and will it get us into heaven as the popes said? Weird, another similarity between Catholicism and Islam. 

      As for scripture, are you implying that it’s simply chosen by man and not by the Spirit of God? What scripture did Peter study? Paul? James? John? What was the purpose of their letters? 

      Do you disagree in the similarities shared above between Catholicism and Islam? 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:31pm

      @Dismayed Vet

      The trinity is not now exclusive to the Catholic Church as many Protestants have gave up her early teachings and wondered after Catholicism teachings as to loose the label of “cult”. 

      Recent studies have found and show some Jews during and right after Jesus believed in 3, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Some sects continued that thought. 

      There are many verses to debate over trinity. If one believes Jesus is God the son of God is good with me. Whether God in the form of man or a God unto Himself is a detail used simply to divide. 

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    • Thomas Paine
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:38pm

      Can you post a link to the Pope saying Catholicism and Islam worship the same God

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:44pm

      QUIATA — if Ağca is a Muslim, he sure has a strange way of going about it…

      “Ağca was released from jail on January 18, 2010. He was transferred to a military hospital in order to assess if, at 52, he was still fit for compulsory military service. The military found him unfit for military service for having “antisocial personality disorder”. In a statement, he announced: “I will meet you in the next three days. In the name of God Almighty, I proclaim the end of the world in this century. All the world will be destroyed, every human being will die. I am not God, I am not son of God, I am Christ eternal.”

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    • Cowboy
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:47pm

      Okie, it is obvious you know nothing about Catholicism, and are entirely unwilling to learn.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:49pm

      @JoBoWW

      I encourage to dwelve into translations of that verse. Don’t forget what Paul finished saying, 

      (KJV) Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

      If you look at the current pope‘s and previous pope’s attempts to reconcile Islam as a sect under the pope as you just described, we worship the same one god just differently, it is hard to reject the notion Catholicism thru the pope is trying to adjoin all religions under the pope. 

      Again, I hate no one, not even the mean evil Catholics. I do encourage dialogue and for some reason, many get upset about questioning their faith’s beliefs but openly enjoy mocking and ridiculing others. 

      I do hope your day is great! I must finish up my work for the day and will check back after bit.

      Thanks all for the dialogue, even if it did stir a few souls. Peace out!

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:55pm

      Okie from Muskogee – May I suggest you read the book “Surprised by Truth”. It might help you understand the modern Catholic Church. I’m not sure exactly why you are on your own crusade to demonize the church. But, if it gives some meaning to your life, so be it. I admire all Christians that try to live their life according to the words of the NT. We stand united in Christ. All denominations have learned from past history and most have advanced and will not repeat history. Bringing up the far distant past does not justify your arguments for today’s church.

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    • jvlag3
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:56pm

      @Okie, there is only one God…so yes they are praying to the same person. Mohammed was just a prophet that strayed from the intent. The Koran is not the word of God as it was written by a man with his intentions, not Gods…

      The Bible was inspired by God thru man… and yes the Catholic church went through the “you better believe the way we believe or else” stage…but it did grow up and learn to play with others. Islam is an intolerant “religion” that treats it’s women like cattle and makes war with everyone.

      And when was the last time you heard the Catholic church (or any Christian denomination) telling it’s followers to kill someone?

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:57pm

      Thomas Paine

      Vatican II teaches it… Here are two quotes of many by the two most recent Popes. 

      “We Christians joyfully recognize the religious values we have in common with Islam. Today I would like to repeat what I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: “We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection” 
      JP2 1999

      “This year is also the 40th anniversary of the conciliar Declaration Nostra Aetate, which has ushered in a new season of dialogue and spiritual solidarity between Jews and Christians, as well as esteem for the other great religious traditions. Islam occupies a special place among them. Its followers worship the same God and willingly refer to the Patriarch Abraham.”

      Benedict 2005 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:04pm

      Cowboy

      How about you tell me what I do not know about Catholicism and/or what I have wrong or am unwilling to learn. That’s what a real cowboy would do at least…. Ya buddy… 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:11pm

      NHWinter

      Please see original post. Since when is comparing similarities, quoting Catholicism leaders and asking questions demonizing the Church? Can one not question with boldness the Catholic Church without being accused of crusading against her? That’s eerily familiar of the past you wish not to speak of.  

      Have a good one! 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:24pm

      JVLAG3

      If one God sent a son and another God has not sent a son and you pray to the one that hasn‘t you believe it’s the same God?! Did Elijah have this same scenario, you pray for God to light this on fire and I’ll pray to mine and see who answers?  1 Kings 18:25

      How many Churches and Catholic leaders preach holy war for Israel against those evil Muslims? Many many many many many. 

      I‘m not here to defend Islam or it’s brutality towards women. Woman is a gift from God to Man. They should be treated as such and act as such. But do recall, at one point in time, all religions abused their value of woman. Woman have been able to vote for how long in this Christian nation? 

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    • Cowboy
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:33pm

      Okie, pretty much ALL of your assumptions of Catholicism are incorrect. Many have been corrected here, but you apparently want to interpret the correct information as defensive propaganda, because your argument falls apart in the light of reality.

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:39pm

      @OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE

      You are a fool with a big mouth – attacking Christ’s church will not end well for you.

      Christ is the head of the church, the pope is his bishop here on earth. If you can’t understand that, if you cannot understand that Christ established the church and told the apostles to go out and spread the Gospel, than you are not a Christian.

      Now you deny the God of Abraham?

      I don’t know what religion you have, but you have attacked islam, the jews and Christianity so I know you are none of those.

      Are you an atheist or a minion of satan?

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:45pm

      Okie from Muskogee – You really banter in extremes. It doesn’t help your position.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:48pm

      Cowboy

      Cowboy up. Let’s hear it. What is it that is incorrect specifically. 

      It’s not an assumption the similarities I listed above, it’s fact, as seen quoted by TWO recent popes. It’s not an assumption the popes have said Islam and Catholicism worship the same God. It’s not an assumption that the Vatican has never been attacked during this 3rd resurgence of Islam. 

      So, when ever you decide to be a real Cowboy and lay some specifics down, let me know. Until then, enjoy the hat as its as cowboy as you get. 

      P.S. it’s not my argument, it’s the popes argument I simply quoted. Wowsers!!!! 

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    • conard3
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:56pm

      Read the Quran and then the Bible. They contradict each other.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:04pm

      InBlack

      You caught me. I’m a minion of Satan. Dang. 

      Which God of Abraham do you speak of? The one of the Jews and Muslims who has not sent a son or the one that has sent a Son, Jesus? What would Elijah say about that? 

      You might want to look at your posts to see who’s attacking Islam, Judaism, and any one not believing as you. 

      Oh man, I attacked everyone but you are infallible! Lol what a joke. Have a good day. 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:20pm

      NHWinter

      Saying one can’t question Catholicism without persecution/ridicule is not banter. In case you haven’t noticed, most posts in reply aren’t very “love thy neighbor”.  And didn’t you say I was demonizing and on a crusade?! #Caring

      Have a great day! 

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    • joboww
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:41pm

      @Okie

      Something tells me that no matter what I say or how I correct your assertions nothing will happen. I do encourage you to continue your “Question with Boldness” campaign.

      Im not ignorant of the whole context, and if you read what I said you could see that what I was saying is that they lack the sufficient knowledge of God just as the jews do, yet they have some understanding. They (Muslims and Jews) are not exempt from having to come to this knowledge, but as Paul showed you start with where people are at and work from there to bring them to the fullness of truth. I know you wont except this but oh well.

      Again you probably wont even consider my responses on the crusades, nor anyone elses, yet I would encourge you to delve a little deeper into the crusades. I figure you wont be inclined to read or watch the following links or books but I’ll put them out there:

      New Concise History of the Crusades – Thomas Madden
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLVXRrzm0kc

      My thoughts and prayers are with you as well

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    • NHwinter
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:05pm

      Letter from Europe: The Pope and Islam : The New Yorker
      These are fierce theological times. It should come as no surprise that the Vatican and Islam are not getting along, or that their problems began long before Pope …
      http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/02/070402fa_fact_kramer

      Okie from Muskogee – I went to many site and saw where you are getting your talking points, almost word for word. They are sites that love to find fault with the church. The above is a more accurate reading of this present Pope. Many Catholic sites will also say much different things than what you have written. It pays to find reliable sites for truth.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 4:57pm

      NHWinter

      Now I’m just using talking points?!

      Please, tell me the websites I’ve been going to. (hint: I haven’t been) 

      I don’t need talking points from some website to point out the similarities the whole world can see. 

      Next time you attempt at diminishing me, do a little better than broadly accusing me of “talking points”. You can do better. 

      The similarities listed above are true. Do you deny that? 

      The popes did say several times Catholicism and Islam worship the same God. Do you deny that? 

      If the answer is no on both, why are you trying to argue with me over a very simple basic post? 

      If yes, it  is sad you do not have the honor, self respect, and integrity to be honest about your faith, or you are truly ignorant and just sheeple. You pick. 

      All you are doing is proving my 2nd point, you can’t question Catholicism without being ridiculed and mocked by Catholics who then turn around and mock the other faith their very own pope says is similar to theirs and worships the same God as theirs. That’s hypocrisy at its best. Farewell to you. 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:14pm

      @JoBoWw

      Appreciate the link I’ll check it out. 

      Paul was saying you worship this, a false god, and you should be worshipping this God, Jesus. He really didn’t hold any punches. He didn’t say, oh we all worship the same God, Paul specifically told them that worship is wrong and to leave it and to follow Jesus. 

      We can debate crusades all day and id enjoy it as they have fascinated me since I was a child a d have studied since then. But we can bypass all that and should agree, any man promoting or saying you should fight and die in the name of God and will receive salvation is a liar and not of God. Common ground is easy to find, when one wants to. 

      I hope you have a wonderful day. 

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    • pleistarchos
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:34pm

      The old-fashioned anti-Catholicism has got to go. We in the West have bigger fish to fry.
      The Christian Churches of the Near East and the Mediterranean were bearing the brunt of Muslim attacks long before Evangelicals existed.
      There were five Patriarchates in the early Christian Church, and Rome is the only Patriarchate Seat that has not yet been conquered by Islam. It was, though, ravaged by Muslim raiders in 846AD.
      http://thehotgates480bc.blogspot.com/2011/12/islam-and-christian-patriarchates.html
      http://thehotgates480bc.blogspot.com/2012/06/academic-calls-to-retake-spain-and.html

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    • Huermo
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 5:38pm

      I do believe it was a muslim from Turkey, Mehmet Ali Agca who shot John Paul II. If muslims attack the Vatican
      Catholics from around the world will defend the Vatican. Then you will have a blood bath of a Crusade. Not smart.

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:23pm

      @SATAN FROM MUSKOGEE

      Your doing a great job trying to confuse God’s people, but you are a little obvious when you attack the church.

      So which God do you worship? Will the devil even be able to say?

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    • metalurgy
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:33pm

      Islam: There is only one God and Mohammed is his Prophet, peace be upon him.
      Catholic: There is One Holy and Triune God. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the King of Prophets and the Son of God, peace be with you.

      Islam: Kill non believers.
      Catholic: Turn the other cheek. Love the sinner, not the sin.

      Islam: Pray facing a rock 5 times a day.
      Catholic: Go to church and receive the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist.

      Islam: Kill a non-believer and go to heaven where virgins await to serve every need. (they don’t say what the women get).
      Catholic: Kill a non-believer and be condemned to hell. According to Christ, in Heaven nobody is given or taken in marriage.

      Islam: Eye for an eye, carry centuries old grudges that are never forgiven. Live by the sword, submit or die.
      Catholic: Forgive your neighbor. To be in a state of grace you must forgive all offenses committed against you. When Jesus was crucified, he forgave all sins and offenses for all mankind including those made against him then and in the future. He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword.

      Yup, identical to the tee. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I’m saved.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:42pm

      I have never in my life seen so many people behave so insecurely and ridiculous over someone comparing known facts about a religion. 

      I’m not the one who said Catholicism and Islam worship the same God, the popes did. Oddly, Catholics posting here cannot even agree if the Popes said that, agree with it, or what they meant. 

      It is not bashing to point out Islam and Catholicism hold many common practices and beliefs. It’s a basic fact the intermediate scholar understands. 

      Now, if you can put on your big boy/girl britches and leave that cozy little box of security and actually question the moves by the most powerful religion that aligns itself with the second most powerful religion you will begin to understand the actual thought made in the original post and realize its not bashing but thinking outside the cozy box of complacency and analyzation  of actual factual events/similarities. 

      I hate no one and bash no one but how many of you bashed me for simply questioning and analyzing the two? That is sad. 

      For a religion who brands Mormons and Protestants as cults for not believing as it, one must question why the pope would excuse Islam and not openly brand it a cult but instead says they worship the same God. 

      QUESTION WITH BOLDNESS. 

      Have a wonderful day. 

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    • Lunertic
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:51pm

      Yo Oki, your shooting for a record number of replies huh. keep chasing this string your almost there.
      The Crusades? If one of your kids kills somebody, are you responsible? Fighting to preserve Israel? Do you suggest they lay down and die at the hand of their enemies? You’ve chased this string so much and said much. For everything GOD has, satan has a counterfeit. GOD is Love Allah is Jihad.
      Oh. And you close with such nice things. You think it makes you appear intelligent and confirms to yourself only you have won the argument. Truth is, you have no idea what your talking about.
      GOD Bless You ; )

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:51pm

      InBlack

      You caught me again. Man, dang it. You’re (correct grammar) so smart. 

      It‘s so confusing of me to quote the Popes’ words and factually compare similarities of the 2 religions. Truth is so confusing isn’t it. How horrible of me. Bad Satan from Muskogee…Bad bad bad…. You seem to find enjoyment in insulting/bashing me. What’s that say about your heart?! 

      Take care! 

      Okie from Muskogee  
    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:53pm

      OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE

      How clever, and disingenuous. Will you deny you’re a follower of Jack Chick?

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:55pm

      @OKIE

      What God do you think Islam worships?

      They worship the God of Abraham, as do Jews, as do Christians.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:02pm

      Dudley

      I’ve honestly never heard Jack Chick speak, nor studied his works. I have come to the conclusion Catholics are not very favorable of him. I will be researching why soon though. 

      Take care! 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:11pm

      InBlack

      Some god that forces them to bow to a rock, that didn’t send Jesus the Messiah the most holy and a once moon god idol. 

      I believe Elijah would surely say they are not the same Gods. 

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:21pm

      @OKIE

      So you believe there are other gods?

      Obviously I agree their understanding of God has been corrupted by the false prophet, but you believe it to be another god?

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:22pm

      OKIE FROM MUSKOGEE

      I call BS! All of your Catholic hating views mirror Chick’s. And how do you explain this Jack Chick link you posted at 7:45 pm on September 13, 2011?

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ex-muslim-author-koran-demands-jihad-teaches-believers-to-hate-christians-and-jews/

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:32pm

      @SATAN FROM MUSKOGEE

      So I was right the first time.

      You are one of Satan’s children.

      What would Jesus say about a man who attack‘s Christ’s church with lie after lie and then denies that he is part of an anti-Christian movement when the evidence is clear.

      Go back to hell with your master.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:38pm

      InBlack

      Real god no, false god yes. The God of Abraham sent His son. Islam’s did not. Their God is no more real than Ba’al who Elijah was showing as false. 

      Dudley

      I really dont care what you call first of all. I an being very candided. That link is to a Jack Chick site? Or is there a link in that book link to a jack chick site? I didn’t see his name anywhere. Can you show me or point me to where it references him? 

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:39pm

      GETLIFE

      The Byzantine Emperor Heraclius is the father of Islam. Think about it.

      The Popes might have considered themselves preeminent among the principal Christian cities, but there political organization was as a result of the fall of the Western empire & not because they initiated a policy of control in the 4th, 5th or 6th centuries. The Byzantines could not hold Italy. For a long time neither could German chiefs hold against Byzantium. At this point the roman Senators were useless (like Senators today). The Holy See grew up in a power vacuum.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:58pm

      Dudley

      Published by Chick publications. I see that now! That book link wasn’t from a Jack Chick sight though. It was sent to me from a friend after returning from Qatar and being told by a few Muslim men who said Catholicism was the mother of Islam. I was astonished when told this and asked a good friend what was that all about and he sent me that. 

      So excuse me, apparently I ignorantly posted a Chick production book but studied or listened to this Jack Chick I have not. 

      Those Muslim men loved the Pope but was not favorable of America. A lot of what they said agrees with what‘s in that book in regards to Mohammad’s wife. 

      I am curious now as to what this Jack Chick is all about. Peace out! 

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:06pm

      You posted a link called “How The Vatican Created Islam” by Chick ‘s crony, Alberto Rivera. Allow me to quote verbatim, from the link you posted.

      “Article from ”The Prophet”

      http://www.remnantofgod.org/books/docs/How-the-Vatican-Created-Islam.pdf

      Here‘s a link to Chick’s comic book, “The Prophet”

      http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0117/0117_allinone.asp

      I’ll ask you again, are you a Chick follower? And if not, why would you post a link from his website?

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:52pm

      InBlack

      How tolerant of you, InBlack. Should I stop at Purgatory so you can pray for my soul?! 

      Of course, I’m Satan from Muskogee but Islam you openly hug and embrace into your fold. How appropriate. 

      You must hate every Protestant for every Protestant leader taught the resurgence of the Catholic Church and it as the anti-Christ. 

      You show your heart with your words. We all see what is in yours. Take care! 

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    • Quiata
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:59pm

      @BRUCEP That’s all political theater. Don’t look at what people say, look at what they DO.

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:00pm

      Posted on September 13, 2011 at 11:53pm…by OKIE

      “The Club of Rome, political arm of Vatican, issued Agenda 21, divided the World into ten kingdoms and pretty much pushes every agenda and influences the USA. Clubofrome.com”

      More Chick BS

      http://www.fmh-child.org/FourHorsemen/FourHorsemen7.html

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    • Judeo_Christian
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:02pm

      Okie… Muslim and Catholics (and all of Christendom) believe in one God. We are Mono-Theists. Muslims come from the tribe resulting from the offspring (Ismael) of Abraham and his female slave concubine Hagar. At that point installation history, we all believed in the same God. God had not revealed the Son, or the Holy Spirit as being part of the One Godhead…the Holy Trinity.

      Islam does not believe that Jesus is the eternally begotten Son of the Father. Because of this, Islam cannot believe in the Holy Spririt which proceeds from the Father and the Son.

      So if the Pope said that Catholics and Islam believe in the same God, it is from the stand point of being children of Abraham. Islam perverts the memory of the God of Abraham. They do not believe in the revealed truth of the Holy Trinity. From this understanding, they do not believe in the same God as Christendom (including Catholicism)

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:02pm

      Dudley
      Again, no, I’m not a Jack Chick follower. I’ve never seen those comics before and after a google search of “Jack Chick” I see why a Catholic doesn’t like him. Not sure if I agree with his works or not, I haven’t studied him but it appears he preaches what all Protestant leaders taught, resurgence of the European Catholic empire as the anti-Christ. I see he dribbles in some conspiracy too. I’ll have to look into his work some more. 

      I do think I clearly explained why I posted a book link sent to me right above. If that’s not sufficient for you, oh well. *shrugs*

      Stay safe! 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:29pm

      Dudley

      Yup, I posted that but I didn’t get it from Jack Chick. This came from a group research to counter agenda 21 locally. 

      The Club of Rome is directly tied to the Vatican and is directly tied to Agenda 21. One visit to their site along with a little research and it’s blatantly obvious. 

      But you probably think agenda 21 is some big hoax and joke, right… Of course. 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:40pm

      Judeo Christian

      Very respectful reply. Thank you. I understand all of what you said I just do not believe the Pope was saying Islam and Catholicism worship the same God as in the point in time of Ishmael but in reference to current time. He even touted their similarities himself. 

      There is more than just quotes that lead me to that conclusion but God forbid I share that as a lynch mob would ensue and I’d loose my head! 

      Thank you again for a respectful dialogue. 

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    • FIREPROOF
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:20pm

      Hey OKIE,
      I can see the similarities between the two, and thanks for pointing out others I hadn’t already known. much insight in your posts, but you can‘t make’em believe! We seed, God waters!

      Only God can open the eyes of the blind and while you can have every bit of proof needed for those that are blind, Truth can only be seen by the Elect. I know a few ex-Catholics and it seems that, Pride was what got in the way of believing Truth and answering His call. This all stems from mis-interpretation of scripture and the start of the universal “state church” where tradition is held higher than the Word of God.

      Anyways, continue to read the Holy Scriptures each and every day and continue to sharpen your sword, the WORD is all we need 2 Tim 3:15-16!

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    • Dudley Do-Right
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:49pm

      Here’s another post from OKIE on October 18, 2011 at 3:49 pm.

      “If “WE” are at war with Islam why has Islam not bombed the Vatican or call it the Great Satan? Why has the Pope, if leader of all “Christian” faiths, not been targeted by Islam? Isn’t Rome a lot closer and easier target then the USA? Do research over the roots of Islam as shown by Ashes above. Then you will know why Rome and the Pope are never attacked.
      Hope your day is good.”

      ASHES posted the same link, http://www.remnantofgod.org/books/docs/How-the-Vatican-Created-Islam.pdf, on 10/17/11 at 5:49 pm.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/susan-sarandon-calls-the-pope-a-nazi/?corder=desc#comments

      Was this just another, “So excuse me, apparently I ignorantly referred someone to a Chick production book but studied or listened to this Jack Chick I have not.”

      At least a half a dozen times you‘ve asked why Islam hasn’t attacked the Vatican implying that the Vatican created Islam. There’s only one place you could have learned that venom…from Jack T. Chick.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:20am

      Dudley 

      I’ll tell you again. I do not study Jack Chick, nor have I ever heard him speak. I plan to now though since you continually badger me and falsely accuse me (bearing false witness) of it. 

      I have read that linked book pdf AFTER returning from Qatar and speaking with Muslim men talking of Catholicism being the Mother of Islam. Asked a friend about it and they sent that to me. Did not know it was published by Chick. 

      Can you answer the question of why has Islam not attacked the Vatican? 

      Why do some Muslims claim Catholicism as their founding Church? Is that why they are so similar in practices? 

      How is it you know so much about Jack Chick? Are you a follower of his? Only way you could know what he teaches is if you study him and follow him? 

      You are fair game guy. Ya buddy. Take care for now… 

      Fireproof

      Thank you much. 

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:45am

      Dudley Do-Right is a good example of a bully hiding behind his religion. A Catholic Irish ex corrections officer who is all for banning Rosary beads from kids in schools is now trying to slander me and bully me?! Who agrees Protestants came to America to flee persecution from his own religion that he is now mimicking! 

      Is this how ALL Catholics behave? Force one to say they are something they are not and slander someone even if not true? Is that what the Catholic Church teaches its followers to do? Is it what Jesus tells us to do? 

      Is this why Dudley is no longer a corrections officer? 

      We all see Dudley is a “closet” scholar of Jack Chick, what else is this former corrections officer in the closet about?! Did Dudley have inappropriate behavior as a corrections officer? Why did Dudley lose his job? 

      Dudley-NO means NO Dudley. Stop trying to bully. It may work on defenseless convicts for you to do god knows what to but it won’t me. NO means NO. Seek help Dudley. 

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  • Diane TX
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:58am

    Sorry Subhi, that’s not going to happen. When will you ignorant Muslims realize that this is the twenty-first century, and not the twelfth century? I have a Muslim family living next door to me, and I ponder every day – why are Muslim women so stupid? This is the United States of American, where men and women are equal. Muslim women have civil rights here, and their rights are EQUAL to their husband’s rights. It’s especially irritating that the family next door has two young daughters. What sane woman would agree to have daughters raised in this anti-woman religion ?

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:26am

      Pray for those daughters, Diane TX, you know they are going to need it when they get to dating age, maybe they will come to Christ before then. Pray for that. Many, many have you know… that is the pitfall for these Imams in the USA…the Muslims get a taste of the TRUTH and real faith and real Freedom. I’m hoping you will be safe and those girls will be safe.

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    • Diane TX
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:01am

      @ PATTY HENRY

      Thanks Patty, unfortunately, one young daughter has already come up to me and said: “Bare arms?” when I was wearing a short sleeve T-shirt. I didn‘t choose to attack a little girl who really doesn’t know better, so I said – It’s a hot day. The family is “nice” to everyone, but their religion is such a joke among the neighbors. The mom’s mother showed up one day, dressed-up in her all black religious costume. She almost looked like an old time Catholic Nun.

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  • conservativewoman
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:52am

    Mat 16:18
    And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
    _______________________________________________________________________________
    Christians have had their persecutions throughout the centuries. The 20th century has seen more Christians martyred than at any other time, and the Church still stands.

    The greatest persecution of the Church is now beginning with the HHS Mandate in the U.S., and the push for homosexual marriage. On other continents, Christians are being outright slaughtered by Muslims.

    We have a president with a Muslim name. If he was really a Christian, would he have chosen to keep his Muslim name or return to Barry Sotero? Catholics (which I am one) and other Christian denominations take a Christian name at baptism.

    It is time for Christians of ALL denominations to stand together. The Muslims know that our weakness is our lack of unity.

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    • castuslonginus
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:27am

      allah and G-D are not one and the same,regerdless of what the pope says. In the scriptures everyone who G-D delt with personally either Himself or through emmisaries(angels), knew who they were dealing with. Example: Noah,Abraham,Moses, Lott,all the Prophets.As a contrast mohamed thought he was going to be killed by a demon. If that was G-D don’t you think he would have known it. Also,no one else had to come for the salvation of the world,because Jesus’s death on the cross and His resurection were perfect. Nothing need be added or taken away.

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:13pm

      @CASTUSLONGINUS

      I think we can agree that Mohammad is a false prophet, but muslims at least believe in the God of Abraham. There is no other God, all other gods are false gods.

      If you want to contend that rather than mohammad being insane or a liar that he was actually worshiping Satan, then I won’t argue the point. Clearly muslims have an incorrect understanding of God and his will.

      Not criticizing, but why spell God, G_D?

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:47pm

      InBlack

      It is custom of Jews to give reverence and respect of the highest degree to God by spelling it G_d, G!d, etc. also to distinguish from what they consider false gods holding the same name as their God. 

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    • castuslonginus
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:09pm

      That is exactly what I’m saying. The devil is the king of liars. he lied about who he was and therefore millions if not billions have been mislead into a false religion. I don‘t believe there was another prophet to bring salvation after Jesus because it isn’t needed. It’s nice to have a discussion without having a cussfight Thanks.

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    • castuslonginus
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 6:17am

      okie:you read way too much into that. Its because I have no O on my keyboard,so i have to use a 0.You believe that don’t you?

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:39pm

      Cast

      Thanks for the laughs. Hope your day is good. 

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  • lassiegirldawn
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:33am

    Our next president, not this Commie In Chief will be a friend of Israel. If we do not ask for forgiveness as a nation and turn our back on Israel, we will be done as a nation. If we seek God and his ways, he will heal our nation.

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    • CatB
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:51am

      I agree .. and as for this guy .. I am not Catholic but I will fight with them to stop these terrorists.

      I stand with Israel .. and the Vatican …. and all who oppose this EVIL.

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:17pm

      @LASSIEGIRLDAWN

      As a Christian, why do you stand with Israel?

      While I support their right to exist etc, why go further? Why stand with Israel more than say the millions of Christians being slaughter in Africa, Syria, etc?

      Are you a Christian Zionist?

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  • Elena2010
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:16am

    No, we’ve had a “hudnah” (truce so muslims can rearm) since the last unsuccessful Crusade and the fall of the Ottoman caliphate.

    Acc’ding to islamic “theology” once a land has been ruled by a muslim prince, it cannot be ruled by an infidel. Thus, Spain has been a thorn in their side for a very long time. They pillaged across southern Europe up to Vienna and nearly to Paris. The were stopped by Charles Martel at Tours in FRANCE after taking the Iberian peninsula. God’s hand in a freak snow storm stopped them outside Vienna.

    Now that Barack has ruled the United States, they will claim our land as theirs next.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:12am

    What they need is some Truth.

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    • castuslonginus
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:34pm

      Is truth the name of a new 20 megaton warhead? If so , I’m with you.

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  • blackyb
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:12am

    Dream on professor. You people may better mind your own Caliphate business. The Holy Bible says every knee will bow and acknowledge Christ, but it will be too late for all the unbelievers before they realize the truth. These are the ones persecuting God’s people. So before you start buying you a nice flage to raise, you better check out the True Living God’s Word in the Holy Bible, KJV or Scofield.

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  • cookcountypatriot
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:10am

    wow the religion of love and peace,,,really wants some lovin

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  • biffo
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:10am

    Barak is in hollywood collecting for the cause. He is part of the islamic plan for world domination. Look what he has done already. Holder has infiltrated our government with islamists. Get rid of these whitey, Christian haters asap, vote them out, put them in jail. Then we go for the muslim terrorists planning to kill us.

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  • The-Monk
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:06am

    Wow, did anyone notice the quick name change for this article?
    From;
    ‘Conquer Andalusia’: Islamist Professor Says the Vatican is the Next Target After Palestine
    To;
    Islamic Scholar: We Hope to ‘Raise the Banner of the Caliphate Over the Vatican’

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    • TSUNAMI-22
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:14am

      How dare you bother the rest of the thumb-twiddling world with this reality of “evil Islam” stuff?

      Radical Islam of the m*u*s*l*o*i*d variety is our friend.

      ~end sarcasm~

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:35am

      I don‘t think it’s a conspiracy. Holt doesn’t tend to be an apologist, and the article isn’t making nice with Islamists.

      What’s your point?

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:38am

      I just left you another message at that other site. You’ll want to read it. : )

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:53am

      Outbox won’t send. : (
      Somethings up??
      Can you check?

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    • The-Monk
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:16am

      All fixed now. : )

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  • PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:04am

    Israel will never fall according to the Bible. These satan moon god worshipers are going to be crushed and killed with God’s spoken sword. Don’t believe? Take a look at the last battle for Israel. Outnumbered 50 to one and God helped Israel clobber the losers. Iran is going to be wiped out folks. I just wonder why the US is not in scripture? Will it be nuked or will the US dollar collapse bringing economic destruction?

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    • 13th Generation American
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:13am

      Lulz

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    • brother_ed
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:35am

      @13TH GENERATION AMERICAN

      What? No “Ron Paul would fix this!” comment?

      Oh, I forgot…this is blow back.

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    • Maxim Crux
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:41am

      Uh Oh…looks like some particular woman…a.k.a “The Roman Church” is about to take a ride on a particular being known as the Beast “A double A.K…Assyria…I mean Germany……I mean the New United States of Germany and have themselves a little crusade. The Caliphate fails because the New EU will act on the Church behalf because the church can not be seen as a crusader…but the church will not be for the new EU either, but for their own behalf and will eventually be overtaken themselves by none other….you fill in the blank. Anyone really think the Church is just going to hand over the Vatican…really.

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    • Maxim Crux
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:54am

      The US is not in the scripture…in my opinion, because it is part of the unknown of biblical prophecy. I think the US has a role to play in the salvation in the end. It is perhaps one reason why the resources of the country have been largely untouched since its founding. It is the Europeans controlled through Germany with the elites…Technocrats like the one that is in power in Italy right now, who will give their power over through bailouts and favors. The Pope will seek a league with the New United States of Europe and the combined military of Europe will destroy the caliphate, or also known as “The King of the South” Take this for what it is…a repeat of history if you will. It has happened before.

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    • Okie from Muskogee
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:19am

      Israel did fail and was scattered just as Daniel’s completed 70 weeks prophesied. The only reason there is a Nation of Israel today is due to the World Government making it so for political purposes, not for God. 

      Yes, the USA is mentioned in the Bible, the 2nd beast of Revelations. There is no other nation, ever, that fits its description besides the USA. 

      Do you worship the same God as Islam? The Pope(s) say “Christians” (Catholics) do…. 

      If you still believe in a secret rapture and 7 years of tribulation, you really need to study Daniel 9 and decide if Jesus ends sin, is the most Holy, and is everlasting righteousness to you or not. That simple. 

      Peace out! 

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    • Maxim Crux
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:35am

      I need to make a correction…I think the US is mentioned in the bible, but in reference to being the sole world super power that occupies ancient Babylon which is Baghdad. Even when the Brits had that territory, the were not the sole super power in the world. When the Soviet Union Collapsed…the US became number one. The fall of Babylon the Great…meaning the defeat of the super power in Iraq, could signify a decline of that superpower and the rise of the new one…which comes very quickly. The Americas are not mentioned by name, but the idea that America is the technological achievement of our time as were the Babylonians of there time…it fits.

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    • 4truth2all
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:31am

      Yo Maxim Cruz:

      The idea of America being Babylon is quite popular in christian circles. Babylon was a world empire, not just Bagdad. I would agree that some of the times that Babylon is mentioned; it fits the USA, many times it does not …. something else to consider if you are not aware … Babylon is also symbolic for the the world system. I do believe that trouble is comming to our shores , but so it is also to the rest of the world, as we are seeing this very moment … at any rate I hope you got your suitcase packed …

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    • Maxim Crux
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:51am

      4truth2all…the ancient city of Babylon was the Baghdad. The city had the Euphrates river run right through it. It is true the the Babylonians had an empire, but it was also true that the tactics of Cyrus the Great created a situation in which the most sophisticated empire of the time could be over thrown without much of a fight. Cyrus conquered the surrounding countries in the middle east and east Africa first…controlling all the natural resources…mainly water. He left much of the religious and government structures in place…thus forming what today is known as a caliphate. By the time he got to Babylon…they were so corrupt and divided that they gave up without a fight. Babylon the Great…as mentioned in Revelations, is a world super power, more technologically advanced than any other, becomes economically and morally corrupt. The US did not take out Saddam in 1991…why? I was there…in that war and I was asking that same question. It took 10 years later at the end of the Clinton administration to figure it out. It was because the Soviet Union had not yet broken up…leaving us the sole super power. That 2003…weapons of mass destruction propaganda was bull. Saddam was never going to use it on anyone. Iran has always been the real threat. They had to take Iraq and then leave in failure and anyone that thinks we won the war in Iraq is only fooling themselves. It is now becoming part of the caliphate as predicted.

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  • cosmic dogma
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:41am

    If someone repeatedly stated they were going to kill or enslave you, destroy your culture and your civilization, and repeatedly attacked and followed through with their threats, would it be logical to oppose them? We Christians are being attacked. islam is at war with us, even though we wish it was not so. We, so politically correct, and so civilized, are being assaulted with a barbaric and primitive cult, capable of any manner of insane violence. Time for us ostriches to remove our heads from the sand, before our heads are removed from our shoulders. WAKE UP TO THE REALITY THAT islam IS AT WAR WITH CHRISTIANS. I choose to be a Christian, forever. I will stand with my Catholic brothers and sisters, forever. Don’t let our children and Grandchildren die as slaves in a satanic islam ruled world. Don’t help create The new dark ages, where the light of wisdom and tolerance is snuffed out with the blood of Christians, from islamic swords.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:00am

      Islam, coming from the Devil himself, has ALWAYS been at War with the Christians and the Jews. GOD wins…they do not worship our GOD, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They worship a fictional ‘god’, made up by their chieftans about 700 AD in hopes to control their tribes. They are so silly, they even have TWO MESSIAHS…so they have split into SUNI and SHI’ITE and each have their own.
      THEY ARE a very serious threat to us, to all decent people. Look how they’ve ruined EUROPE and ENGLAND ! Their arrogance will do them in. Just because they have “one of their own” in the WH and now (thanks to him) in top secret positions…they have no understanding of who the REAL GOD is or what HIS power is. They will find out. In the meantime, do your part. Educated yourself about this dangerous cult. Be aware locally…they have quite a foothold, but there is also a problem. The people they conned into their “faith” who live in America (In FREEDOM with real Christians) are seeing that the tripe they are being fed is not-so-hot-afterall. Pray for those people. Study and defend and FEAR NOT. GOD has it all under control. It may get very nasty…so stay in GOD’S arms.

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    • Todd P
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 3:23pm

      Cosmic & Patty, you are both absolute right. It will get much darker before the Light of the World comes again.

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  • The Third Archon
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:39am

    Yeah, I’m sure that would go over really well with the Italians.

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    • Jaycen
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:33am

      ????

      What do you expect the Italians to do? Their economy is also on the brink. Their people have no political will. You think they have any testicular fortitude?

      Archon, try paying some attention.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:47am

      Roman Catholic Church, is the world’s largest Christian church, with more than one billion members.

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  • capitalismrocks
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:37am

    Even think about touching the Vatican… its time for an accidental dropping of a nuke on Mecca, don’t even go there rag heads, you think about going near that holy place and hell will rain down on you in the form of tactical nukes, you wanna live like its the stone age, please please please let us nuke you back to nothing, I am at my wits end with the muslims, go back to your caves and get the hell out of the world stage, you are pushing way too far and there will be hell to pay against the entire middle east.

    The eco-nuts want to see the world off of oil, then lets nuke the whole middle east and radiate the oil wells and make oil unusable, that’ll make everyone happy, no more fossil fuels and no more fossil beliefs from backwards ragheads, I have had enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Chancellor
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:28am

    I honestly can’t wait for the all out war on Islam……Got rid of a bunch of them

    during DS1 AND DS2. Believe it or not they actually fall for old WW-2 tricks

    that the Marines use to use on the Japs………AK-47 vs Barretts 50 at 1000 yards……

    no contest.

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  • PROSECUTE_PUBLIC_SERVANTS__FOR_CONSTITUTIONAL_TREASON
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:26am

    Wycliffe Bible translators just finished a new Bible translation that takes “Son of God” out of the Bible so muslims and all other Bible based religions can easily unite. This reduces Jesus Christ to just a prophet and not the “Son of God.” This is blasphemy. The religion is called Chrislam. This is the beginning of the one world religion in concert with new age thinking. New agers are coming out with their own version of the Bible that even includes 12 disciples. Christian churches across the US are taking down their crosses and changing their names to accomodate and unit with false religions.
    Without Jesus Christ being the Son of God these people are satanic anti christs as the Bible states many times and none of these anti christs will be in heaven. There are headed for hell.

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    • Chancellor
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:31am

      This was Predicted to happen and they will try to Prosecute those that refuse to accept it.

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    • objectivetruth
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:43am

      Yes its the comingling of the ten false religions.With the ten false leaders.It actually unites to become the true antichrist.[The false prophets and the heads of the church and state]This is the one world religion.The other shoe to drop is the one world government.We have seen more of that than the religious aspect perhaps.Oddly most of us who don’t follow conventional religion have been seeing signs of this for a while.You need faith not necessarily religion.Its a hard path to follow sometimes.I’, sure you can imagine why.
      Oddly I can see why some equate the catholic church and islam with being similar.The religions aren’t truly alike.However the primitiveness and adherence to man made dogma stands out like a sore thumb.They both have supposedly puritanical leaders telling everyone else how to live.[Collective salavation collective guilt]People in both look to their spiritual leaders to tell them what to do.In protestant religions this doesn’t happen generally.The leaders won’t tell you how to live.They will give advice if asked.They believe that everyones walk with god is their own.Individual salvation individual guilt.

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    • inblack
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:48pm

      @OBJECTIVETRUTH

      Man made dogma?
      That is laughable. You believe in the Bible which is dogma.

      Christ established His church,
      Christ is the Head of the church.
      He said It is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
      He appointed Peter to be his bishop.

      The church does not create new teachings, all the teachings are complete in the person of Jesus Christ. All the church does is interpret and clarify as guided by the Holy Spirit.

      The Bible and the Creed were defined by Christ through his church.

      If you deny Christ’s church you deny the Bible and the divinity of Christ.

      After all the weird and stupid theological ideas I hear made up on this site, I will gladly put my faith in Christ’s church over the man made dogma coming out of the haters on this site.

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  • LondoMollari
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:26am

    The question is do they want a war with over 1 billion Catholics, including Eastern Europe and Latin America?

    Many Muslims in Latin America in the last 500 years have converted to Christianity and let‘s just say that Islamic armies haven’t exactly lit it up too well in Eastern Europe.

    It’s not like places West-central or northern Europe or urban Australia and Canada were people don’t mind getting pushed around.

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  • REPUB1
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:22am

    the vatican you can HAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Den Of Satan welcomes Allah. come and get it!!!!!!!

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  • radargeek
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:21am

    Took a shite after eating moreham I’d needed. Can’t believe I ate the allah thing!

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  • REPUB1
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:19am

    ahhh cant ya feel the love of Islam everywhere??? and allah??

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  • possom
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:17am

    Make up your mind‘s you bunch of goat hearding obama wannabe’s! Do you want the US first or palistine! Less talk more action!

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  • ThoreauHD
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:09am

    And this is where the message of Fatima comes in. Peter is the next Pope, and the last. Welcome to the party kids. You’re all invited.

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    • RepubliCorp
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:53am

      or so the story goes……

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    • JThunder
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 2:34pm

      The Fatima prophecies say nothing about Benedict being the second to last Pope or about “Peter” – the prophesied “final Pope”. These ideas come from the supposed prophecies of St. Malachy. These prophecies reputedly list all the Popes from St. Celestine (12th Century) to the end of the Papal age.

      The problem with the prophecies of St. Malachy is that they were not published until 1595. All of the Popes on the list between St. Celestine and the time of publication are represented with very clear descriptions coinciding with each pope. However, the descriptions of many of the popes after 1595 are vague, many require severe interpretive and logical contortions to make them fit with the popes they supposedly represent.

      The prophecies of St. Malachy have never been approved or endorsed by the Magisterium of the Church either. I believe they are not authentic.

      The prophecies, or secrets, of Fatima were given to three children by the Virgin Mary in Portugal in 1917. The first two secrets dealt with hell and the consecration of Russia. The third secret remains controversial. Thought he official version of the third secret released in 2000 discusses a future persecution of the Church and the Holy Father it does not specify when these events will take place or the name of the Pope in question.

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  • Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
    Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:07am

    So is this the beginning of the Islamist Crusades?

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:24am

      NO actually, they had their “crusades” in the 700′s when they slaughtered Christians making pilgrimage, which is why Knights had to come with the Christians to protect them and they cleansed these Islamic murders up. They tried to change the “history” like they do everything. Thinkabout it.

      If you had your own mind, yet you knew you were forced to “change History” and you couldn’t trust what YOU saw or heard…wouldn’t it turn you off of your “faith” ? I’m always amazed that so many people would rather “win” an argument than KNOW the TRUTH. But yes, I agree, the time is almost upon us. Get right with GOD. JESUS is LORD. Jesus came to save us. He died for us and HE lives in Heaven, He will return in Glory. The line has been drawn in the sand. I do hope you are on the RIGHT side of is. PS: Obama is a Muslim. Do not ever doubt that.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:21am

      The muslims have jihaded on Italy and sacked Rome itself. Read up on the Battle of Lepanto.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto
      “… The victory of the Holy League prevented the Mediterranean Sea from becoming an uncontested highway for Muslim forces, protected Italy from a major Ottoman invasion, and prevented the Ottomans from advancing further into the southern flank of Europe. Lepanto was the last major naval battle in the Mediterranean fought entirely between galleys, and has been assigned great symbolic importance….”

      They have also jihaded on Rome.
      http://diavolineri.net/ospitalieri/jihad-2/jihad-against-rome/
      “…Many of us would be startled if we are told that in the 9th century, an Arab fleet based in Sicily sailed up the Tiber and occupied and sacked Rome and the Vatican for days together till they were defeated and expelled by the papal militia along with the armies of the Holy Roman empire and Frankish contingents. This attack was brief, mercifully very brief, but the Arabs could reach Rome – a feat that even Hannibal could not achieve! To be precise the Arab attack took place on August 28, in the year 846 CE when the Arabs arrived at the mouth of the river Tiber and sailed into Rome….”

      Muslims engaged in Jihad; enemies of all mankind.

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    • Bruce P.
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 12:58pm

      MIKE_TRIVOSONNO — Christians also sacked Rome. By your logic, Christians are also enemies of the world…

      410 — by Alaric I, a Christian king.

      455 — by Genseric, a Christian king.

      556 — by Totila, a Christian king.

      1084 — by Robert Guiscard, a Christian duke.

      1527 — troops of the Holy Roman Empire, all Christians, sacked Rome.

      So, let’s see, Christians have sacked Rome five times, Muslims once.

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    • mike_trivisonno
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 1:21pm

      “…Christians also sacked Rome. By your logic, Christians are also enemies of the world…”

      None of the invaders you mention had as their goal, the ascendance of Islam and Sharia law in praise of the Allah deity. The equivalence is not there. The internecine battles within Christendom are not at all akin to the rise and spread of Islam. Islam seeks the erasure of Christendom.

      One represents a struggle within Christendom. The other an existential threat to Christendom.

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    • Walkabout
      Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:18pm

      Bruce P

      There is a difference between sacking a city, desecrating holy building or trying to extinguish a religion.

      You do realize there are non-religious parts of Rome. The Vandals Vandalized Rome. The Visigoths under Alaric I treated it much better. The Visigoths also had claims against the Roman state. For one the Visigoths did not like the concept “yours is not to reason why, yours is to do or die.”. The is a big difference between that and using soldier but not misusing them. The Visigoths were misused for example at battle at a certain river. They didn’t appreciate the human wave attacks.

      There is just too much wrong with all your posts starting with the icon you use. You should try using the post name “reason will prevail” or “Moderation is best” or some other “better than thou post name”.

      You are a piece of work.

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