Conservative & Liberal Christians Spar Over Rick Perry’s Beliefs
- Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:45pm by
Billy Hallowell
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry was causing controversy and debate even before he entered the 2012 presidential campaign. Prior to announcing his candidacy, Perry participated in “The Response,” a Christian prayer event that drew both praise from people of faith and criticism from church and state separatists.
Of course, the dichotomy didn’t break down perfectly along these lines. While the event was Christian in nature, some believers joined the opposition, claiming that they were troubled by a breaking down of the barrier between church and state.
Interestingly, though, proponents have accused left-leaning Christian critics of being hypocritical for their opposition to the prayer meeting. In a press release issued earlier this month, the Institute on Religion and Democracy wrote:
In contrast [to their "The Response" critiques], the Religious Left has applauded Sojourners chief Jim Wallis’ “Circle of Protection,” a Christians-only coalition that met with President Obama to defend welfare programs from Republican budget cutters. Supposedly the prayer summit, according to liberal critics like Americans United for Separation of Church and State, was “exclusive” and theocratic. But the White House summit, despite its specific political and partisan goal, was widely lauded.
Writing her views in The Atlantic on Monday, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (Former Lt. Governor of Maryland who has connections to both ACORN and the Center for American Progress) took a firm stance against “The Response.” Townsend, who is a Roman Catholic, goes on to target Perry’s Christianity, writing the following:
I see a fundamental inconsistency between Perry’s concerted opposition to government social programs and his promotion of himself as a Christian politician. When asked about the impact of Texas’s low-tax, low-service policies on the poor, he suggested that people who wanted more government services could find them in New York or California.
In essence, the question Townsend raises in the title of the piece sums her purpose up quite well: “Is Rick Perry as Christian as He Thinks He Is?” Clearly, Townsend sees Perry as a hypocrite who isn’t reading nor comprehending the scriptures properly.
She goes on to write that Christ teaches Americans to feed those who find themselves hungry and to care for those who fall ill and “not to abandon them.” Then, she wonders if Perry has neglected to read the portion of the Bible that commands Christians to care for “the least of these.”
Despite sharing some similarities with Townsend in terms of the Bible’s clear call to help the less fortunate, Leon H. Wolf’s commentary (an attorney and GOP campaign staffer) on Perry couldn’t be more divergent. Wolf contends that negative statements coming from the left — and he explicitly mentions and responds to Townsend’s piece — merely show the left‘s fears concerning the strength of Perry’s candidacy. In responding to Townsend, he writes:
Townsend’s contention that “Christianity is front and center on his platform” is completely unsupported by any evidence other than the fact that Perry led a prayer in which Christ was mentioned…Townsend’s criticism shows that she has no understanding whatsoever of what Christianity requires of the Christian, and her criticism is completely without merit. As you might have guessed, Townsend’s contention is that Perry is not Christian because he is not very socialist.
Wolf, too, believes that Christ does command believers to feed the hungry and help the sick, as he writes that this is “one of the central responsibilities of Christians.” But, he goes on to refute her grander claims, writing that individual charity and government charity are very different. In Wolf’s eyes, Townsend‘s contention that Perry’s stance on government programs counters Christian teaching is simply absurd. He writes:
It takes a cynical heart completely unfamiliar with the teachings of Christ to suggest that God would be pleased with a no-cost vote for confiscatory taxes on other people to pay for the poor.
Townsend and Wolf represent only two perspectives on Rick Perry, taxation and Biblical principles. But, their writings showcase the deep political divide that has now made its way into faith circles. Furthermore, their views do a decent job representing the talking points each side utilizes in engaging in America’s fiscal responsibility debate.
In the end, though there are great differences in terms of application, both sides believe that the Bible calls Christians to assist people in need. While one side advocates that the government fill this role, the other places emphasis on the individual. Who do you think is responsible for helping “the least of these?” Take our poll below:
(h/t Beliefnet)
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Comments (189)
TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:37pmKICKAGRANDMA rocks the truth once again. I bet some of you all have heard of/listened to J. Vernon McGee?? Best Bible teacher I’ve ever had.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:02pmhttp://richardstwoshekels.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/joe-isuzu-and-trying-to-get-into-spiritual-shape/
Report Post »Doris
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:45pmSeparateness between church and state was written and instigated to keep government out of church not church out of government. Exactly why our forefathers left England.Why does no one bring this to someones head.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:05pmIf Perry is indeed a Methodist…I am not impressed. Methodists are allowing gay preachers and are standing by muslims instead of Israel. As for this stupid pole. I never minded the government helping out people who truly needed help..and to rely on churches solely for this doesn‘t work because they don’t always nor are they forced to help. I don’t support the government making welfare families rich by doling out as many kids as possible while they sit a home and do their drugs and teach their kids the same. I don’t believe we should be giving illegals welfare, healthcare, social security , housing.or any free stuff….good way to get rid of them.
Report Post »StonyBurk
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 4:26amMy problem with this argument is in America we have a Government that has created a new definition of “the Poor” . The Welfare State– does not reflect anything close to what was true in Bible times. And I know of no place in Scripture where it is written that the Government is to redistribute the wealth by doing what the Scripture says ought be done by the individual . The individual ,likewise -in Scripture has an obligation to help themselves -as much as possible and not steal from others by being a sluggard.
Report Post »TEA4Me
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 7:42amState Welfare doesn’t empower people, it enslaves them. Government handouts create a sense of entitlement and erodes the motivation to work. Individual (or private group) charity creates a sense of gratitude and inspires people to not only raise themselves out of poverty, but to help others do the same. It’s a pay-it-forward attitude versus an entitlement attitude.
You decide which is better for this country.
Report Post »Jacque
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 3:18pmQuestion…Does anyone have info on Perry’s connection to the drug companies and trying to regulate vitamin sales?
Thank you.
Report Post »ridd9454
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 4:50pm@Doris, You are so right! So glad to hear someone bring that up. It’s ridiculous that no one can see the truth behind the separation between the two. I am going to be a teacher after I graduate from college next year and you can bet on it that I will be teaching my students the correct history of that as well as our nation.
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:37pmwheres my post blaze?
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:05pmit’s in Blaze heaven with about 30% of my post lol
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:36pmYes the Blaze definitely has a problem with posts! I believe there are moles afoot!
Report Post »JEB STUART
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 6:04amI have had post not show that were much less provocative than others I’ve seen. Never even use profanity. I think the blaze goes by one’s picture as much as the words. Unfortunately my flag has been used by several hate groups that don’t the heritage of it nor the meaning. My great grandfather fought under Stuart and as long as I am breathing I will fly the flag….
Report Post »TheTruth1984
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 8:55am@TEA4ME
Report Post »someone who claims to be a big tea party member and believes in its roots should be defending ron paul. you sir are part of the fake tea party. the part that is in it to pretend they believe in the roots of the party but really are just part of the neo cons. you sir should have no opinion. we can not police the world and police iran. we did not police anyone else like russia did we? it is not our part to tell other countries what they can and can not do. and how could our defense be worse with paul?? he would have all the troops here… not out spread across the world ******* off people and waiting for the blow back… do a little research before you act a fool on the internet.
toto
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 4:34pmWell, I‘m glad to know I’m not to only one to have posts remain in the ether for all time.
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:35pmCNN: More active duty US military donate to Ron Paul than to other candidates combined.
We need to support our troops. They know more about defending liberty and fake “nation building” than anybody else.
Report Post »HippoNips
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:51pmIts impossible to get the numbers on who donates from the military. CNN is full of it, and so are you
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:56pmHippoNips, each quarter, the State and Federal election commissions REQUIRE candidates to submit the list of donors. The list have names, address, employer and profession so they can be verified against fraud. It was that same in 2008 and in 20011 for Ron Paul. I do not see why soldiers do not want to die for neo-con and socialist politics, or worse get maimed if our defense is not at stake.
Report Post »Rabidconservative
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 12:00amBoy the left leaning media sure like Ron Paul… It is almost like they want obama to win or something.
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 12:20amRabidconservative, you are not informed. Based on CNN, Rasmussen and other RECENT polls Ron Paul has the highest chance to beat Obama. Otherwise, CNN, MSNBC and other left media would talk more about Ron Paul than about Perry and Romney. Ron Paul attracts not only neo-cons, but also independents and democrats who are against war and torture. No other GOP candidate can do that!
Report Post »TEA4Me
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 7:51amI like what Paul has to say on economics, but the guy is a LOON on National Defense. His stance on Iran SCARES me and will single-handedly keep him from the nomination. NO ONE in their right mind would allow the worlds most active State sponsor of Terrorism (Iran) obtain nuclear weapons. That is not only lunacy, but an indefensible stance. I doubt even our peace-loving, head-in-the-clouds liberal friends would agree with Paul on this point.
Iran is run by a man, and a party, that has openly called for the DESTRUCTION of Israel. If they get nukes where do you think they are going with them? Then we have to jump into a war with Iran to defend Israel (yes, we do HAVE to) and boom, we are in a nuclear war. Decisions have consequences and the decision to allow Iran to become nuclear is potentially fatal.
Report Post »Dismayed Veteran
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 11:47amI am concerned about Dr. Paul’s view of national security. However, the reality of being POTUS can change a person’s view. Just look at President Obama: Gitmo remains open, troop surges in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Patriot Act, and killing Bin Laden. His reality changed.
When Dr. Paul is POTUS and learns the details of that job, he may very well change his views somewhat. After all he is the Commander-in-Chief. I have pretty much decided to vote for Dr. Paul.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:35pmSigh….same ‘ol, same ‘ol. Yes, it‘s the ’ol “social justice” lie – so what else is new. I was raised in a church (non Catholic) that didn’t teach that, as many others – most Protestant ones I think – so I really didn’t become aware of this until I became interested/involved in politics the last couple of years. I was shocked to hear that “Christians” believe it. Not only did Jesus mean “individual”, the key word is “voluntary”. It‘s stealing to take someone’s money they don‘t want to give in order to give to whoever they deem needs it via the Govn’t (which is usually corrupt). I don’t think Jesus approved of theft. We are to be “cheerful givers” in addition…if it’s not given cheerfully & voluntarily – it’s a waste and Jesus does not see it as obedience to Him. But these people have been brainwashed into believing this and are blind to see it in other ways – that’s true of whatever else we believe…..very hard to change a certain “mindset”, no matter the facts shown to them. And part of it is pride – they don‘t want to admit they’ve been wrong for years. I pray for all in the “church” to get enlightened about this – that would help!!
Report Post »beckwasfox
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:19pmAmen! Jesus asks us to love our neighbor not rob him and give 10% of the robbery proceeds to our other neighbor.
Report Post »imd1
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:51pmAmen again! Don’t let the left hand know what the right hand is doing…(Jesus said that about giving, I’m not sure how it applies here. Totally lost my thoughts…) Anyway, you hit the nail on the head!
Report Post »Howyinthehills
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 12:12amRender to God the things that are God’s, ( charity, sacrifice, altruism etc.)
Report Post »Render to Caeser the things that are his, (The non-emergency use of force to protect individual rights)
Leave the rest to the Secularists. ( The right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness)
Gypsy123
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:33pmWould Jesus have babies aborted? Would Jesus say it was okay to be homosexual and not repent from it. Would Jesus say it is ok to commit adultry and not repent from it. Would Jesus say its oks to worship mother earth? The lists go on and on. These are the things liberals support that Jesus calls abominations. Do I hear the word Goat, Tares
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:37pmBilderberg Rick is just a pretender
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjQ9tuuTJQ&feature=relmfu
jsDway
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:20pm@GYPSY123 – you are right on with your view of the liberal left! Townsend is the one who does not understand the BIBLE, of course you won’t understand the Bible unless you are a Christian. What is a Christian? A Christian is a person who has repented of their sins and have asked Christ into their hearts! As a Christian the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in you, and with the help of the Holy Spirit a Christian is able to KNOW the Word of God. I believe the lefts god is SELF & POWER – humanism! Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through CHRIST, who strengtheneth me, it is Christ in us. I am glad that Mr. Wolf called her out on her interpretation of Christianity. I don’t know much about Perry but will be listening to what he says & does.
Report Post »jblaze
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:31pmBravo Gypsy! Too many people profess to being a Christian and to love Jesus, yet they do not do as he says or as he taught. The reason Jesus is King of Kings is because he never sinned, not once! Condoning sodomy would been a sin!
Report Post »palerider54
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:34pmWell said Gypsy123, AMEN.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 12:44amGreat point Gypsy. There are a lot of so called Christians that don’t know the bible at all.
Report Post »Mr. Oshawott
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:33pmFor those of you that still think that Rick Perry is a small-government advocate, please have a look at his history and voting record. He REALLY isn’t what you think he is.
Source: http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2011/06/23/rick-perry/
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:55pm@MR. OSHAWOTT,
Great link and you are absolutely correct this Rick Perry is a total fraud and so far is really fooling a big number of those of us who are part of the Tea Party, thanks for trying to get the word out as he is the most dangerous of all of the GOP candidates hands down.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:28pmThat he actually mandated young girls to get a “vaccine’” is absolutely outrageous. Something right out of the soviet union where individuals have no individual rights and have no say in their health treatment.[in this case the vaccine itself posing a health risk to them].This is shear medical experimentation being forced on people.Unbelievable!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:52pmholy cow this is the absolute first and possibly only time I will agree with rose ellen. forcing vaccines on people is NOT a small government man. As a Christian and a woman with a keen sense of creepiness, he hits big on the creep/liar radar the same way Obama did for me. Bachman for me I would gladly pick Romney who is so McCain like over perry. Gut tells me NO
Report Post »SlimnRanger
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:54pmBefore i read just exactly who and what Rick Perry has done,how he has voted and so on,I was all for Rick Perry,but i began to pray and read about him,i am still praying that i will vote for the one God wants me to vote for,and right now it’s not Rick Perry,I feel the right one hasn’t joined the circus yet and cast his or her name into the hat
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:13pm@ Roae Ellen..Thank you . I had forgotten that he made those girls get that vaccine. I personally think that the vaccine causes cancer, kind of like when the government gave Indians blankets laced with small pox.
Report Post »Reasoned
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 11:05pmGeez I am getting tired of all this $ hit. Is there anyone out there that we can all agree will be the one to beat the idiot we have now. And please please please don’t tell me Ron Paul. I agree he has a lot of good ideas but he will NEVER win in 2012. There are a lot of Republican candidates out there and NONE of them are perfect. I sure hope we can settle on one before the elections.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 11:10pmMr. Oshawott….YES, a very informative link. It took me ten minutes to preview everything and Mr. Perry has some explaining to do IMO. Someone needs to agressively question Rick Perry point by point and then very carefully measure each reponse. This should happen NOW but will it?? Didn’t happen for Obama did it? Not even to this day. De Ja Vu…‘Catch 22’? If so, that’ll mean it will be impossible for the people and freedom to win. Maybe to NEVER win.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 1:41amThe HPV vaccine thing is the scariest thing on the “Perry Problems” list. My kids are getting excited about Perry for President, though: they think Perry is a secret agent platypus.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 9:51amMichelle Malkin has a story on this:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/274812/rick-perry-s-bad-medicine-michelle-malkin
The thing that nags me about Perry, especially with all the really great things he has been saying, is the idea of “too good to be true”. I worry about being literally “sold’ the perfect conservative. Things like this Merk thing make me really nervous that he’s saying everything we want to hear.
Been there, done that.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 10:54amDespite my worries that Perry may be overselling himself to conservative hopes I’m note closing off the idea that he may be the real deal. The vaccine affair is troubling, but it still should be taken into account that he won reelection handily just three years after that affair, so maybe Texas voters consider it not that serious.
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:32pmSarah Palin is my choice ,hope i get the chance to vote for her.I believe if she was in th race the left would Hate her the most which tells me we would have a winner!
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:34pmAnd im not changing my mind but will vote for whoever is the nominee
Report Post »TRONINTHEMORNING
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:29pmLibs, Pharasies, Herodians, and all those other fun folks just need Christ. But……it’s just too simple for them to accept the free gift of salvation. So sad.
Report Post »DogTags
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:29pmFrancis Schaeffer (not his apostate son Franky who makes a living out of defaming the Religious Right) said that liberal theology is nothing more than secular humanism in religious terms. No matter what issue, the liberal theologian will always come down on the side of the secular humanist. Whether it be same-sex “marriage”, abortion, the environment, or social welfare, the liberal Townsend’s will always side with the secular humanists.
God has not given the government the authority to steal the wealth of citizens to distribute it to the poor. Social welfare is not charity; it is theft. God did not command you to strip my kids to clothe the naked. God did not command you take food from my table to feed the poor.
Social welfare programs paid for through coerced taxation with threats of violence for non-compliance is simply immoral. Politicians who continue to vote for such policies are not charitable Christians; they are pernicious, nefarious, wicked religious charlatans.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:41pmLiberal Christianity is an oxymoron.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:59pmI love how the good christians here a fine with the poor, the sick and the weak suffering in the streets. The holy rollers that Perry kneels before are more concerned with christian tithing to the “right” churches then the message of christ.
To many here on the Blaze are christian talebans looking for the next President to impose the “right” christian theoracy on the Nation, catholics, jews, muslims, all others be damned. They have no love of the constitution, just a fetish for mythical founders.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 4:30amEncinom, first, how do you know what Christians do or don’t do to help the poor, sick, etc, etc??
Report Post »Secondly, what are you doing to help those very people?
Thirdly, many of those you speak of on the street are people in search of supporting a drug habit. If you throw a couple bucks in their direction, it only enables them further. They are able bodied people just standing on the curbs at red lights looking for a hand out. How about using that energy to stand in the heat ALL DAY and try applying for a $7 an hour job.
Nooooooooooooooo, it would be too much to ask for to help yourself.
conservative_teacher
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:23pmWho gives a flying ****? We are supposed to elect a PRESIDENT not a preacher/pastor/priest. A candidate can believe in the bible, the koran, or Dr. Suess for all I care…just as long as they don’t let that faith set the direction of our republic and/or compel me to subscribe to his/her belief.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:33pmWe can see through you to what is really inside. You cute lil’ socialist you.
Enough kidding.We need a leader that can lead with godly morals and that can only be done by one who is lead by God.
I suggest to you and ALL that hold your view of “it doesn’t matter” to move to nation that goes by the crayon.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
We need to all repent and return to God.
Report Post »glassaudioguy
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:26pmYou’d have been very unhappy in colonial America. The Christian religion was one of the chief underpinnings of the Declaration of Independence, without which the Constitution wouldn‘t be worth the paper it’s written on.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:02pm@Gideon, the nation is and always has heen secular. The President represents all, atheists, hindus, catholics, jews, muslims, etc. You are looking to turn the nation into a theocray and ruled as the Taleban ruled Afghanistan.
Report Post »NWalters78
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 11:13amTo Encinom—you’re full of Shiite, you vicious Yankee twerp. Christians don’t cut off heads, but I recall Muzzes doing just that. Christians haven’t been sending people off to die in the US, recently, but your boys Mao and Stalin, both atheists like you, did. STFU.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:22pmLiberal Christian is an oxymoron with heavy emphasis on the MORON.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:27pmI like that!
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:31pmThere is no such thing as a “liberal CHRISTIAN”. Either a CHRISTIAN is a CHRIST-follower, or he or she is not. JESUS CHRIST, GOD and THE HOLY SPIRIT are NOT liberal in their teachings or administrations to us.
satan, on the other hand, is a full blown liberal.
You can see where that gets him both now and forever.
JESUS CHRIST is our focus, our example, our LORD AND SAVIOR if we are CHRISTIANS.
Man’s “druthers” are just that: “man’s desires.wants, plans”. Often times they are the exact opposite of GOD’s “druthers” for HIS “kids”.
“Liberal” and CHRISTIAN are an oxymoron.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:37pmNot supporting universal health care coverage that is equitable to all citizens is un Christ like.Not supporting a fair and equitable disbribution of wealth is un Christ like.[thought the poor we always have with us-it is shear greed to have a society that promotes great wealth to co-exist side by side with poverty. No one is entitled to a greater share of wealth then another-we are all worth the same-work is work and capitalist billionaires don’t work -they make deals.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:05pmKick-a-grandma,
Reading the bible its clear CHrist was a socialist and the Ayn Rand worshipping “christians” of the right have a problem following the teachings of carpenter’s step-son.
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:36pmRos Ellen…I understand your thinking on the healrhcare..but please go to this link to learn the truth about what is in the healthcare bill. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcBaSP31Be8
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 4:37amRose – Killing unborn babies is unChrist like. Laying with your own gender is unChrist like.
Encinom – Christ’s teachings of helping the poor was for the individual not for the state. It’s not up to our government to implement mandatory sharing of the wealth. It’s up to each individual, which is how America has ALWAYS been (leading by example to the world every time their is a natural disaster, for example) to give as they can to those who need.
Report Post »krisfaction74
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:13pmI’m a Texan and a Christian, look at Texas and look at the federal government. Who’s doing a better job?
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:25pmMy Sister is moving fom Ohio to Texas next month.She is out of work now.I Left Ohio back in 1982.Texas is doing so much better than the rest of the States. Here in Louisiana, things are not that bad either.
Report Post »GIDEON612
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:27pm@krisfaction74
I agree, especially since I am in a state that has been devastated by the liberals. Between corrupt unions and corrupt politicians Michigan has gone down the tubes. But on the brighter side there is an awakening going on here and this state is turning red. That means that the awakening that the libs are causing is what they hate and fear the most. An awakening to morals and a return to God.
Now as far as the poor goes, that poll is incorrect. The Church, being the body of Christ, is to help the needy. And just as the church dropped the ball on giving up education to the government, and we see what a mess that is now, we are seeing that the government cannot handle much at all.
Only God can save us.
Report Post »rose-ellen
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:38pmMinimum wage jobs-jobs with no benefirts are not jobs-that’s explotation..
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 11:39pmRose Ellen You do see everything through rose colored glasses don’t you? The reason there are minimum wage jobs without benefits is because those businessess cannot afford that. If they were required to provide higher paying jobs with benefits…they would not be in business and the workers would have no job. You need to start thinking about what you would do if you started a business and you had to pay workers. you need to be able to put yourself in other peoples shoes. Also..what’s this about everyone deserves equal pay? Do you think that we would even have doctors if this were so? What incentive would they have to go through all that schooling just so they could save the lives of people who think like you? You have been listening to liberals for too long. As for “what would Jesus have done regarding healthcare?”He would have performed miracles and done the healings personally. But that was just to prove who he was. He said,” if you have faith and believe..the things that I do…you can do also.” Rose Ellen… you wrote something today that implied you do not believe in communism… liberalism is communism.. You are just not seeing the whole picture. Remember to look at both sides.
Report Post »This_Individual
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 2:40amDont’t you have the same bible?
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 4:32amMinimum wage jobs with no benefits is STILL A JOB.
Report Post »Does it suck making $7 an hour?
YES.
But that’s $280 a week more than you had if you sit on your couch all day.
Live Free or Die Trying
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:12pmI find it amusing that nobody is crying about Hussain’s Ramadan dinner earlier this month! Liberals only want the rules to apply to their opposition and not themselves!
Report Post »cheeze is crust
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:09pmThe ONE TRUE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY will prevail!
Report Post »AmericanLass
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:09pmA divided house cannot stand. HELLO !
Report Post »IntransigentMind
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:17pmWho’s RESPONSIBLE??? There’s only one morally proper answer under law: The persons themselves. What persons CHOOSE to do is a personal matter. Any mandate by government is pure evil in this context.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 4:39amLet me tell you, that divide grows wider everyday in this country.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:09pmMormonism, especially Mormonism in evangelical form is going to be a tough sell for a lot of folks, including a lot of other Christians. That’s simply a statement of fact.
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:07pmDemocrats support every form of evil known to mankind. And live it. And reek of it. No sense of shame, much less honor. (You too billy clinton). I hope the Good Lord thinks that this country is worth saving from them.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:28pmI agree
Report Post »citizen b
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 2:44amthe good lord made one of them president. if he’s on your side, how do you explain that?
Report Post »JWiess
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:04pmAccording to the teachings of Christ and God, it’s the church that helps the poor, the widows and the orphans. It’s not governments job to help people, because when government gets involved, people rarely get the help they need.
Report Post »The Church would feed the poor and help them find a new job or new training. And unlike the State, the Church should never cut a person off.
Pappypatriot
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:11pmPerry is not going to last long in this campaign, he has shot like a rocket in the polls but will quickly fizzle out much like Donald Trump. Perry is a total fraud who is a RINO and career politician leaching off of the Public for his livelihood.
Report Post »olddog
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:01pmAre there liberals that are really christians? I find that hard to believe..
Report Post »Partygirl
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:28pmEvery liberal that I know is an aethist! If they don’t believe in God or the bible how can they believe that the individual and the community can help those in need. They look to the government because they themselves have an entitilement mentality, don‘t belong to a church and don’t do any kind of charitable work. If they do want to get involved they want to know what is in it for them. Evil is too kind a word for those folks.
Report Post »BecksTheMan
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:00pmI did find his conducting a revival like prayer meeting in front of a crowd of over 30,000 in very poor taste. It as if he was trying to get the message out “see I am the real true evangelical christian you can vote for” It reeked of pandering and opportunistic hypocrisy.
Report Post »wisehiney
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:10pmDo you think maybe God smiles on those who acknowledge and worship him publicly? Do you believe that Rick is like an evil democrat who only does it for effect?
Report Post »scott2012
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:25pm@beckstheman. It was only a matter of time before these professional politicians hijacked the teaparty to pander to social issues so they can turn attention away from the fiscal issues.
Report Post »ExTex
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:46pmI hate to think it, but he appears to be taking a page from the GWB campaigns and wrangling in the so-called “religious right” as a solid voting block. I’m originally from Texas. Lived there for 45yrs until I moved to another state 7 yrs ago for family reasons. I’m still a Texan no matter where I go. I am a devout Christian as well, so it’s difficult castigating anyone for praying for our country (even though the timing is suspect). Wreaks of insincerity. We need prayer for this country 24-7. We don’t need another career politician grandstanding using prayer and almighty God to foster enthusiasm for his base. Cheap trick. God will hold him accountable if he was anything less than sincere.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:05pmI’m concerned about that too. Has he done this before? Anyone? Let his record speak for itself. If he hasn’t, then he is just pandering to his base. We don’t want another career politician in Washington, do we?
Report Post »Kaoscontrol
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:00pmIn biblical times the Pharisees, driven by the politics of their day, questioned Jesus’s motivations and tried to entrap him — much as Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is trying to entrap a follower of Jesus: Rick Perry. Go Rick, Go!
Report Post »ExTex
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 10:09pmIt’s his timing that is suspicious. The country has been in a tailspin for years. Why now with the prayerpalooza? Why not during the obamacare debacle? Why not during the border battle involving Arizona and the Mexican drug wars (and, oh by the way, his own state)? Why not when the middle east was ablaze and armageddon on the horizon? Why not when Europe was on fire (Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain on the brink, Enland)? Why not during the N Korean crisis or the KSM trial issue or the Gulf oil spill…(I could go on and on). And, as you must know, NONE of those issues I’ve mentioned have been satisfactorily solved. Why suddenly just before he announces entering the GOP primary race does he decide THIS is the time for a national prayer day? I think Rick Perry has his upside, but I see smoke and mirrors and I don’t like it. 7 yrs ago I would’ve voted for him without question. The past few years have opened my eyes. No more rubber stamps from me. EVERYONE is accountable. EVERYONE.
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:59pmIn 2007 The establishment (CIA, Pentagon, monopolies, big labor, special interest groups) knew GOP wont win and bet on Obama over Hillary. As a former CIA clerk, Obama was a sure bet that wars will continue, CIA & TSA triple in size, secret prisons and torture stay in place.
In 2011, the establishment suspects Obama wont be re-elected, Perry= Romney= Cain= Bachmann is a sure bet the wars, bail outs, group rights trumping individual liberty, printing paper money to support Pentagon and entitlements will continue.
Report Post »Pappypatriot
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:31pmRick Perry is definitely Mr.Establishment. He is a progressive, globalist who pushed for the Trans-Texas corridor and for in state tuition for illegals. I can guarantee one thing if he were to get elected while he may not be a bad as Obama he will do much more damage than Bush. A vote for Perry is a vote for the establishment, CFR and Bilderbergers. I have been doing a lot of checking into this fraud as I was excited about him getting in the race and the more I have learned the more I see exactly what he is all about and it is not good.
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:39pmPappypatriot, Correct.
Report Post »Look at my definition of the establishment above. Now, who challenges ANY of those key groups?
kryptonite
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:13pmBut, blue_sky, something doesn’t add up. Obum castrated the CIA. Are you telling me they were so dumb they couldn’t figure out a commie would come after them first?
Report Post »blue_sky
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 9:20pmkryptonite, The rich, monopolies, entities like CIA and Pentagon like BIG government as much as trade unions. It is all about protection against competition, bail outs, spending tax payers money. They do not care if Bush/Obama/Perry is neo-con or communist.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 1:46amNot the CIA. This man began his rule by coming after the agency, like the good commie-Muslim he is. It looks like the only reason he left the FBI and the Pentagon alone was that his people had already infiltrated key positions there. The CIA had to know this was coming. His intense dislike and disdain for the agency was no secret.
Coincidentally, like the Navy SEALs they too suffered the loss of several of their top agents, when a Muslim doctor of death blew himself up inside the base. Remember that? These agents were irreplaceable. If I didn‘t know any better I’d say I smell a rat, but Obum is a Nobel Peace Prize commie-Muslim, so perish the thought.
Report Post »AmeriCat
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 3:33amPerry”s Muslim Outreach is similar to Obama’s.
2008, Perry’s actions helped to introduce Muslim History and Culture
into the Texas school system.
Perry’s good relations with the local Muslims and their Shariah law
is openly acknowledged and appreciated by Texas Muslims.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 1:19pm@AmeriCat
Perry”s Muslim Outreach is similar to Obama’s.
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Researched it. I’m puuking this guy off my list. I won’t support anyone with ANY official ties to Muslims or commies, period. That’s why West (who’s not running) is on my black list. As long as West holds hands with the commie Black Caucus, he doesn’t deserve my trust.
Thanks. Spread the word.
Report Post »Bids
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 10:34pmI see Kryptonite is wearing his tin foil hat.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on August 18, 2011 at 1:14amAnd what are you wearing, Bids, your rose-colored glasses?
Granted, no evidence of a direct link between Obum and those attacks, but he HAS deliberately put our troops in harm’s way. Sins of omission, sins of comission… no matter. The man is guilty.
Report Post »Glenn in Virginia
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:57pmI‘m a Christian and I don’t give two hoots and a holler about Perry’s religious beliefs, nor Romney’s, nor Bachmann’s, nor Obumbler’s for that matter. What I care about is what is each of them going to do if elected to the White House.
We already know what Obumbler’s going to do, same thing he’s been doing. That, in and of itself, is enough to get me to go to the polls in 2012 and vote enthusiastically for any of the GOP alternatives.
Report Post »Chuck Stein
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 1:31amAgreed.
Report Post »Also, I like the “Obumbler” moniker — it fits.
101
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:54pmMaybe Rick should seek his buddy Al Gore’s opinion on this one
Report Post »krisfaction74
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:09pmBy your logic no one can ever change their opinion on anything from the time they are born. I’m pretty sure I have had “friends” in my past that I separated myself from once I realized what character and values I believed in and that character has developed over the course of my life. I’m pretty sure Glenn Beck, who owns this site, used to be a blaspheming drunk. I would say Beck is not anymore.
Report Post »101
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 6:35pmOnce an elitist always an elitist.
As for Glenn? Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic whether your dry or not.
Simple logic
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 7:51pmHas anyone prominent in academia or journalism referred to Perry publicly as, “sort of a God” himself? Because THAT would surely be controversial.
Report Post »Stuck_in_CA
Posted on August 16, 2011 at 8:07pmLOL. Ya mean the way some in the media did with BO? All those pix of him with a halo or looking sooo divine? Sickening, huh?
Report Post »I don’t think many of us here care what ANY Lib thinks.
bruce_baker
Posted on August 17, 2011 at 2:52am@stuck_in_ca – I don’t think many of us here care what ANY Lib thinks.
If I were you, I’d START caring! In the Army, you learn that you respect your enemy, or you die. The problem is not stupid, incompetent or evil people. They’ve just drunk too much of that bad kool-aid, and believe the stupid, evil things to be the truth, now. That’s a much stiffer problem to tackle. Rose-Ellen here is the perfect example of that. She obviously cares about people, and is agast when someone calls her a Marxist. She honestly believes that the “liberal” philosophy she “believes in” is somehow based on “caring for people” instead of having the Marxist roots that it obviously has, to someone who knows what to look for, and is not blinded by what they hope to see.
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