Pro-Creationism Christian Textbook Allegedly Teaches that the Loch Ness Monster Is Real
- Posted on June 27, 2012 at 7:44am by
Billy Hallowell
- Print »
- Email »
The Loch Ness Monster, also known affectionately as “Nessie,” is a continuously debated creature that proponents claim resides in Loch Ness, a body of water in Scotland. While scientists dismiss the dinosaur-like monster’s presence as mere myth, those who embrace it believe that Nessie may be a plesiosaur, a meat-eating reptile that existed — according to experts — millions of years ago and somehow, unlike its other ancestors, lives on.
This week, a Christian Biology textbook is raising eyebrows, as it purportedly tells students that Nessie is real and that the sea creature may serve as prime evidence to corroborate creationism.
It’s no secret that the Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) program embraces creationism, but its Biology 1099 book that sits at the center of this controversy takes this belief a bit further that some evangelicals would support. In fact, it allegedly embraces the notion that Nessie is a modern-day dinosaur and that she is a missing-link of sorts in the creationism vs. evolution battle.
“Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence,” reads the alleged content of the Biology book. “Have you heard of the ‘Loch Ness Monster’ in Scotland? ‘Nessie’ for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur.”
Obviously, this is enough to send atheists and anyone who rejects creationism into a tizzy. But the situation becomes even more complicated in states like Louisiana, where education reform laws mean that students may be sent with public voucher money to private schools that use the ACE curriculum.
In fact, one school, Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, is at the center of the controversy, as it uses the curriculum and will be receiving state funds next year for students to attend (there is no definitive evidence that this particular biology book is being used to teach these tenets at the school, though). The response to this has been intense to say the least.
“This is where support of vouchers is leading us — to the public paying for a child to learn that the Loch Ness Monster was a dinosaur and co-existed with humans,” writes Valerie Strauss in a Washington Post op-ed. “This is important to Young Earth Creationists, who believe that Earth was created no longer than 10,000 years ago, not the 4.5 billion years estimated by science. They also believe that dinosaurs were on Noah’s Ark.”
Even some on the evangelical side disagree with the way in which the textbook handles the issue. The Christian Post has more about the opposition to the use of Nessie to back creationism:
Casey Luskin, a research coordinator with the Discovery Institute, is currently writing an intelligent design textbook titled, “Discovering Intelligent Design,” which will likely be published later this year. The textbook is purely scientific, he says, and won’t contain any Bible verses as evidence.
Luskin believes that it is unwise for ACE to use the Loch Ness Monster as evidence.
“Anytime you’re invoking Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster as evidence for your position, that’s not a very good route to go,” Luskin told The Christian Post on Tuesday.
He says there is a difference between creationism, which starts with the Bible and then looks at data, and intelligent design, which uses data as its starting point for research. Young earth creationism also differs in that it views the Earth as being only a few thousand years old, he says, while intelligent design theorists accept “the conventional geological time scale.”
The debate over creationism and evolution is nothing new. While some may dislike the notion that Nessie is being heralded as a key to proving evolution is a farce, the real issue at the center of the debate seems to be whether taxpayer dollars should go to these schools. In the end, though, this is just another notch in the ongoing debate over the origins of man and how this issue should be communicated to impressionable minds.
ACE hasn’t yet responded to the controversy.
(H/T: Christian Post)
Popular Stories
Does Misstated Marathon Claim Prove Paul Ryan Is Dishonest? (POLL) 676 Comments
‘Jumah at the DNC’ Speaker: ‘Muslims Visited America Prior to Columbus’ & ‘It Was a Muslim’ Who Guided Him to the ‘New World’ 527 Comments
Paper Details Obama Admin’s Alleged Secret Note Sent to Iran: If Israel Attacks, We Won’t Get Involved 411 Comments
Obama: RNC Like Watching ‘Black-and-White TV’ Because Romney ‘Did Not Offer a Single New Idea’ 372 Comments
Roseanne Barr: Most Billionaires ‘Violent Pedophiles’ & ‘Heartless’ Cocaine Addicts 328 Comments
Faith
This Is the Creationists‘ Response to Scientist Bill Nye’s Viral Pro-Evolution Video Claiming They Harm Children 267 Comments- Pakistani Muslim Cleric Accused of Framing Disabled Christian Girl in Koran-Burning Case Read More
- ‘Made Up Religion’: TV Historian Enrages Muslims, Receives Threats After Producing UK Documentary Questioning Islam’s Beginnings 278 Comments
Meet the Controversial German Imam Accused of Brutally Beating His Wife & Pushing Sharia Law Read More
‘Self-Proclaimed Messiah’ & Unification Church Leader the Rev. Sun Myung Moon Has Died — Here’s His Life Story Read More
Business
President Obama Issues Major ‘Green Energy’ Executive Order 152 Comments- Germany’s Upcoming Court Ruling Will be Huge for the EU Read More
Ford Looks to Beat Toyota for Best-Selling Car in 2012 With This Model 147 Comments
Bernanke & QE3: Here’s What You Need to Know Read More- ‘Extortion’: Why Did the Labor Department ‘Drop the Hammer’ on Oregon Farmers? 300 Comments
Technology
- This Is the Creationists‘ Response to Scientist Bill Nye’s Viral Pro-Evolution Video Claiming They Harm Children 267 Comments
‘TaserDrone’: Hackers Weaponize Quadcopter With Actual ‘Shocking’ Technology Read More
Ever Heard of the Wild ‘Burning Man’ Festival in the Middle of the Nev. Desert? Here’s Your Primer Read More
Stanford Develops Technology ‘Better Than Steroids’ for Athlete Recovery Read More
Have You Pretended to Know What ‘the Cloud’ Is? You’re Not Alone Read More
Submitting your tip... please wait!
Comments (134)
hi
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:38pmWorse things…deception…in evolution textbooks:
drawing an apeman from finding a tooth…..the tooth turned out to be a pig’s tooth. This was in our textbooks for decades.
Haeckle’s Embroyos was a complete deception and in textbook for decades
Moths evolving into black ones decption
Stanley Miller experiment-deceptions….proteins formed were incompatible with life
finding knee joint 2 miles from ape head and putting it together to show apes could walk upright
The list goes on and on.
There is not one shred of scientific evidence that supports one species evolving into another.
There is no evidence that nothing can turn into anything let alone, people
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:48pmRe think this: EVOLUTION created the Loch Ness Monster!
Report Post »Conservative-Atheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:49pmThere is no evidence that nothing can turn into anything let alone, people
Yet you believe that god created the universe out of nothing. I see. Or did he just recycle it from the remnants of his previous failed universe? BTW…where did god come from, or was he created out of nothing…and who or what was his creator?
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:16pmHi:
Here is how it works.
Let’s say you and your family and a thousand or so other people were shipped off to a distant but inhabitable planet and kept there for hundreds of thousands of years, and then your millions of descendants were allowed to return to earth where the rest of us had remained.
Over that long a duration, your genes and ours would have changed (“evolved”) to the point where they would no longer be compatible, hence we could no longer interbreed to produce viable offspring, hence we would have become 2 distinct species– remember Darwin’s title was “The Origin of Species.”
Simple, no?
And there is absolutely no evidence that this process of “speciation” is not responsible for all the variety of life on earth.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:38pmGod is, was, and always will be. Does that answer your question?
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:53pmConservative Atheist
Report Post »You act like what you believe is scientific and based on logic and fact. But, it all boils down to that you have faith that nothing turned into everything. you have no scientific proof. You act as if you are intelligent and I am not But, you do not have science to back your belief either.
hi
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:56pmLloyd
Report Post »Variation is LATERAL movement, not upward movement. (changing into a new species) Having dark hair is not “better’ than having blond hair.
You have absolutely no scientific proof that people/animals turning incompatible happens. There are so many millions of animals that we have not named them all. Yet they are all distinct species who only mate with their kind. We do not find any transitional species in the fossil record either. We only find distinct kinds.
Lloyd Drako
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:52pmHi:
You are right, dark hair is not better than blonde, nor is blonde better than dark. There is no better or worse in evolution, only adaptation. Humans are better than spiders at sending rockets into space, spiders are better than humans at squeezing their bodies into small corners, extruding webbing from their bellies, using it to catch flies, paralyzing said flies with venom and then having a leisurely meal.
Similarly, there is no “up” in evolution, and no “down.“ We are no more and no less ”evolved” than the bacteria in our guts or the grass on our lawns, though we evolved more recently.
It is not true that the speciation process has not been observed. Reproductive incompatibility may involve the sexual organs or cycles, or a liking for this type of plumage or that type of mating call. If separation persists, it will eventually goes to the level of genetic incompabibility. This has been observed in bird and other species, and artificially induced among fruit flies in labs. Creatures do indeed, as you say, mate with their own kind–but how did they get to be that particular kind, as opposed to others? Usually separation followed by speciation.
You misunderstand the problem of transitional forms.. We can only make educated guesses about whether Neandertal man was of our species. The DNA is compabible in some ways, incompatible in others. These were probably distinct races in the process of becoming distinct species. All fossils are in some sense transititio
Report Post »Spqr1
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 5:11pmAll you’ve proven is that you are completely ignorant of the science being argued. That‘s why Creationists aren’t taken seriously. You all clearly don’t even know the science even works. There are some very specific areas of Evolutionary Biology that can get a tad flakey. The fact that none of you bring up those subjects is clear evidence that you know nothing of the subject at hand.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 6:05pmHI, I see you are still spreading your lies.
I invite everyone to look into HI’s claims and find out just how wrong she is.
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:33pmA lot of fairy tales in science have been made up because their assumption the earth is mlllions of years old.
They cannot explain how we find dinosaur tissue. There is no way it could survive millions of years.
Instead of noting the universe is young because the galaxies have not flung apart by now, they invented dark matter which is neither seen nor detected.
Instead of observing the universe is young because the comets have not disintegrated by now, they invent the oort cloud which is neither seen nor detected.
Evolutionists believe nothing turned into everything. They believe a dot this size . exploded into everything you see!
They believe in spontaneous generation which goes against the Law of Spontaneous Generation.
They believe in evolution…things getting better…which goes against the Law of Entropy.
They believe in so many mutations of nothing turning into people that it goes against the Law of Probability.
I bet the book said that Loch Ness “could be” a pleiosaurus” not that it proves creation. I am certain it was taken out of context.
Report Post »ScienceIsNotEvil
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 1:03pm“They believe in evolution…things getting better…which goes against the Law of Entropy”
No it doesn’t. See that hot round thing in the sky?
Report Post »NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 1:50pmFundies are so cute when they try to talk about science! Just fyi, we don’t have any dinosaur tissue. We have the petrified bones of dinosaurs, which probably contain none of the original matter. And although we are still actively studying dark matter, experiments have given us strong evidence that it is indeed real. There is no reason to assume that the comets would have all completely disintegrated by by now. The Oort cloud is completely consistent with every model of the creation of the solar system.
Scientists look at the evidence and then draw conclusions based on it. Religion starts with the conclusions and tries to crowbar the science to fit, even when it clearly doesn’t.
Report Post »NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 2:11pmScienceIsNotEvil – You make the mistake of assuming that HI actually understands entropy and the laws of thermodynamics. I’m quite sure HI copied and pasted this nonsense from some creationist website.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 2:37pmYes, you are obviously HI. Do you understand what a light year represents. And do you understand the universe is still expanding. There is nothing as ignorant as trying to explain tribal stories written down in a book called the bible, that was edited by the Council of Nicea (so much for the word of God) by identifying what science has not explained yet.
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:03pmhttp://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0324_050324_trexsofttissue.html
T-Rex soft tissue found preserved
Report Post »hi
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:17pmScientists used to believe the speed of light could not be changed. However, it has been shown that it can be slowed when subjected to near absolute temperatures.
Report Post »You base your assumption of the speed of light that it has always been constant and could not have ever been faster in the past.
NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 4:37pmHI – The speed of light in a vacuum is absolutely a constant. This is not in debate. If it was not, all of modern physics would be completely overturned. If you’d like to debate physics with me, I’d be more than happy.
I don’t know what exact study you are referring to, so please post a link. Even AiG says that you shouldn’t use speed of light variation as an argument.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/arguments-we-dont-use
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 5:15pm@NJBARFLY Carefull with the fundies… Some of your claims you are giving them credibility to their intelligence… Speed of light varies through different mediums…
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 5:20pmand I guess for fun I should mention light travels faster or slower at slightly different speeds in other mediums such as “CESIUM”
Report Post »Cesium
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 5:21pmsorry, read too quick.. you do mention through a vacuum.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 6:20pmHI — can you tell us what scientific principle makes it impossible for dinosaur tissue to be preserved within a fossil.
On Dark Matter — it is obvious, like so many other scientific concepts, you do not understand this either…we DO detect dark matter, through the gravitational effects it has. Objects such as stars and galaxies have much larger gravitational effect than a simple observation of their luminous matter would suggest. Simply because we have not found the exact subatomic particle causing this does not mean scientists are making it up, nor does it prove Creationism.
The Oort Cloud — we have observed several Oort Cloud objects. 90377 Sedna, 2000 CR105, 2006 SQ372, and 2008 KV42 are part of the inner Oort Cloud, their orbits and position cannot be explained by anything other than being Oort Cloud objects.
Have any more lies you want to tell?
Report Post »yohannbiimu
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:30amUsing the Loch Ness Monster as a teaching point for Creationism is no less disingenuous as Darwinist textbooks that use Earnst Haeckel’s embryo evolution drawings, only one of MANY frauds that are still being propagated in Evolution circles. That said, it’s sad that any schools anywhere would stoop to any lows in order to push an agenda upon children. Teach the truth, because TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA.
Report Post »Calm Voice of Reason
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:59amThose drawings are no longer in use.
Report Post »Gup20
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 11:32amhttp://www.discovery.org/a/3935
Many textbooks still have the fraudulent illustrations of embryonic recapitulation as evidence of evolution.
Report Post »Ron Staiger
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:21am…..and really, the earth is only 6000 years old- friggin’ dolts!
Report Post »Anti-liberal33
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:00amCreationism + Evolution = Intervention!
http://lloydpye.com/intervention/AlienLife-AlienIntervention.htm
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:54am“Obviously, this is enough to send atheists and anyone who rejects creationism into a tizzy.”
Into a tizzy of raucous laughter. ROTFLMAO! I don’t know of a more concrete way to discredit Creationism more than it already has, than to have it discredit itself with ascientific pablum like this. I can’t even call this pseudo-science. It’s completely ascientific.
“’This is where support of vouchers is leading us — to the public paying for a child to learn that the Loch Ness Monster was a dinosaur and co-existed with humans,’ writes Valerie Strauss in a Washington Post op-ed.”
And you know what? I have no problem with that. Vouchers are what they are, a way for parents to get back their own hard earned education dollars and to teach their children whatever they please, however they please. If the only jobs Eternity Christian Academy graduates are fit for are burger flippers and missionaries, that’s their business, not the business of the state.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:09amNo surprise. Creationism should be taught along side the Loch Nest Monster, the tooth fairy and of course Santa Claus. As for the voucher system as a way to fix our UNDERFUNDED school systems let me share with you a quick reference point. A individual I work with sent his son to a well known Catholic HS which was a solid school, but not ostentatious in any way. There campus was modest and they time shared most of their athletic facilities with local public schools. And of course most parochial teachers are certainly not overpaid or receive generous benefits. Anyway, the tuition for HS was $12,400 per year. What is interesting about that figure is that the average per pupil spending in our state is $8,800. So that means the modest catholic school, which receives more than enough donations and money from the diocese for its capital needs receives $3,600 per pupil more than the average public HS. No doubt money can be spent more efficiently and productively in both settings. But a great education costs money.. and the notion that any amount is too much sounds good but is well ignorant. See what under spending on education leads to….ignorant beliefs and ignorant policy.
Report Post »Anti-liberal33
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:12amEvolution theory is still a theory with some large gaps. In 30 years, it will look very different. Look how long it took for us to finally accept Alfred Wegener’s theory over plate tectonic movement. You’d be surprised by how many are out there that do not accept Creationism AND human evolution theory as we know it now.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:40am@Anti-liberal33 Actually most intelligent people wouldn’t be surprised at all. If you consider the universe and the complexity of the world around us you come to realize that there is some higher force or energy in the universe. You will also come to realize that as humans we have no clue and probably could not comprehend it if it were revealed to us. What science continually does it confirm that we know and understand very little about the universe. It also continually confirms that the notion that the complexity and higher order synergies within the universe are explained by a religious book is pure insanity. A careful read of any number of religious or ancient tribe writings will show similarities with respect to attempts to explain the unknown and establish rules to bring about some degree of civility and control with respect to social order. The notion that one of these text or the organized religions that developed from them have any better understanding of the universe or its higher force or energy is just plain silly. Beliefs are wonderful things, they just aren’t very insightful or useful in identifying or understanding complexities. Particularly since their primary goal is to simplify things so that members of the tribe can understand them and gain some degree of comfort in how little then know or understand.
Report Post »M13
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:40pmJrook is a known liar and an idiot. Please pay no attention to this moron.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 2:33pm@M13 That‘s it that’t your dig. You are a child. Pick a subject tiger. One you can discuss with something other than the four letter words your parents use to describe you.
Report Post »MicahJank
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:17am–This week, a Christian Biology textbook is raising eyebrows, as it purportedly tells students that Nessie is real and that the sea creature may serve as prime evidence to corroborate creationism.–
ACE trying to prove creation true using such sad sad tactics/evidence. I dont know how else to describe this except as sad. Its shameful to all well-educated creationist as well as all well-educated people in general. This is what happens when they base their thinking on their own ideas(loch ness monster is real) and not on Gods word.
I trust most people will read this and understand that most creationist do not support ACE’s position on this.
–This is important to Young Earth Creationists, who believe that Earth was created no longer than 10,000 years ago, not the 4.5 billion years estimated by science.–
This is what is known as the fallacy of equivocation. By equating mans ideas about the past(i.e. unobservable, untestable molecules to man evolution) with science(testable, observable and repeatable in the here and now) she is trying to paint creationist as anti-science which just isn’t the case.
As a side note, after reading the article i can understand why people have such bad opinions about creationist. I just hope they will do their own research and realize not all creationist think this way.
With no disrespect,
Report Post »Micah
davecorkery
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:02pmWell educated creationist = Oxymoron.
In Canada, we do things differently. We in Humanist organizations have invited creationists into our grade 12 classes over the years to present their views. But we will invite muslims, hindus, sikhs, and mormons to present their ideas at the same time. The students have been taught the scientific method, which basically is a bulls**t detector, nothing more. By the time the 4th presenter gets up to speak, the kids don’t believe ANY of it, since no creation theory can withstand scientific scrutiny, and it also opens their minds when they realize that there are other versions than the one’s they were indoctrinated with. Every time it has been tried, more students lose their preconceived notions of their own religions, with a resulting drop in religiosity. BTW, very few churches will now bite at the bait, since they are steadily losing members. The average practicing catholic is 62. Eventually facts will win, fairy tales will die.
Faith is no reason.
Report Post »Belchfire V-8
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 6:08pmHey, DAVECORKERY, Christianity has survived 2000+ years.
Report Post »alinmatt
Posted on June 28, 2012 at 7:34pm@belchfire, of those 2000 years, the 1000 years that Christianity reigned after the fall of the Roman Empire were known as the Dark Ages. Since the 1500′s, science has challenged Christianity and that has led to an explosion of knowledge. Christianity may continue on, but as long as knowledge isn’t suppressed, it’ll become less important.
Report Post »Scottabc123
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:14amEveryone: If you have never visited http://www.shadowlands.net/serpent.htm please visit this site. It is a great education.
Report Post »Scott
NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:15amThat domain no longer exists.
Report Post »contkmi
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:13amOkay, but the real question should be, “Is ManBearPig real?”
That’s what I want to know.
All else is irrelevant.
Report Post »troymac20
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:12pmOf course he is….Al Gore says so.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:08amGood grief. Nothing screams “TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!!!” like a nod to a pop culture fairy tale.
Report Post »Andy
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:56amI believe in creationisum because God says so, it’s called faith.
Heb 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:47amAh yes the final answer to any legitimate questions, and there are countless, that are not answered directly in the religious text. You just have to accept it on faith. Even though the exercise of that faith is to limit ones consideration of all information available, alternate explanations or perhaps the truth. But of course what organized religion does not spend considerable time and energy derailing, dehumanizing or, even better yet, having pity and praying for the non-believer.
Report Post »M13
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 1:47pmI don’t have pity for liars and idiots like jrook.
Report Post »flipper1073
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:37amFirst off I’m a Christian.
Report Post »But I believe in Divine Intervention
not Creation.
But there are some pretty good Fairy Tales
on Both sides of this Creation vs Evolution Theories.
Why not Throw NESSIE in .
Evolutionist have been relying on Fictional Characters
for years .
MIcro Evolution Happens Everyday (Species Evolve to fit their Envirement)
Macro Evolution Has Never Happened (One Species becomeing a different Species)
Wolves can Evolve into Chiwawa’s
But Fish Can’t Evolve into Birds.
or Bears into Pigs or Pigs into MAN.
SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:03amWolves do not “evolve” into chiwawas or any other dog. Cross breading is not a form of evolution. If that was the case every time you have a white and black person have a baby than that baby would be more “evolved” than any other baby.
Report Post »flipper1073
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:35pm@ SLOWBIDEN
My point was Wolves an Dogs are the same Species. (Canine)
just the same as You’re Cat Fluffy is the Same Species as
a Lion or Tiger (Feline).Species can an do Evolve.
But Species Don’t Interbreed to create new Species.
An I don’t know were to go with your Black an White Theory ?
They are Both Human (Species) an can Interbreed.
But I Don’t think they create a Super Human.
anymore than breeding a German Shepard with a Wolf
creates a SuperDog.
Micro Evolution Happens every day do you think GOD created
Labrododdles or Genetically Engineered Plants ?
A Duckbilled Platypus is GOD’s Idea of a Joke.
or a Beaver Bred with a Duck neither one makes much sense.
I Accept Neither Evolution or Creation as a Proven Theory.
Report Post »but I Enjoy the interaction until the Atheists start Name Calling
an Denigrateing Christians.
One Theory is just as (good or bad)as the other an just as Unprovable
Maybe Someday We will have ALL the Answers.
Right now We Don’t even know ALL the Questions.
GOD Bless an have a nice day
RedManBlueState
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 1:27pmLOL!! ManBearPig.
Report Post »Marsh626
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:14amIf some fundamentalist Christian kids go to a school that’s supported by taxpayer money which teaches Young Earth Creationism, obviously the world will end. Not only will we score far lower in scientific rankings, but non-Creationists will be burned at the stake.
No, wait. Our low academic scores have far more to do with how many “hispanic” and black students we have than how many “Jesus Freaks” we have – something which nobody wants to admit because they’re scared to death of being called racist for pointing out politically incorrect statistical realities.
And another thorn for the atheists: Kids who attend Christian schools score higher academically than kids who attend your precious, communist, secular, public schools. And kids who do homeschooling – where they get all kinds of fundamentalist Christian crap crammed into their heads – score the highest academically compared to any other demographic. Ouch! That’s gotta hurt…
In reality, biological evolution really isn’t that important in every day life. Even the most hardcore Creationists are willing to accept the practical “mirco” aspects of evolution as it applies to medicine, agriculture and whatnot. It’s the “macro” evolution that tries to tell them that they’re nothing more than apes in suits, so why not act like one? that they have a problem with. And honestly, who cares?
These “Jesus Camp” schools churn good little kids. They don’t believe in evolution, though. Oh, well.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:28am“In reality, biological evolution really isn’t that important in every day life.”
So you think it’s fine to teach kids the Loch Ness monster is scientific proof that the world is 6000 years old?
I’m a Christian (as I assume you are), but the Bible is about truth. This textbook is about agenda, not Christ. Don’t like evolution? Don’t teach it… but don‘t teach lies to our kids and pretend it’s a Christian action.
Report Post »davecorkery
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:38amYou’re lying. Biology majors from christian colleges (liberty U) can’t get work anywhere. Their theses on biological experiments always end with “God did it”. Hardly worthwhile. Homeschooled kids have more problems integrating onto society if their parents are religious wingnuts. Fortunately, Darwin’s theory predicts that stupid people eventually die out, intelligent people who do constructive things survive. I support home schooling for this reason. BTW, worldwide, their are over 40,000 different ideas about how god “created” everything. Your version is merely one of them. Darwin’s theory and the big bang theory explain things far better than your hocus pocus. Faith is no reason.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:05amWhether “Nessie” exists or not proves nothing either way about evolution. There is no theory that every plesiosaur woke up one morning with feathers and wings and flew off to the trees. There is also no theory that all apes suddenly turned to humans.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised at all to learn that the textbook was written by atheists with the intention of discrediting people who believe in a higher power.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:15am“I wouldn’t be at all surprised at all to learn that the textbook was written by atheists with the intention of discrediting people who believe in a higher power.”
of course. it’s always a conspiracy with you folks.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:21am@phillyatheist
Report Post »The thing is, by far, most Christians don’t believe the way the textbook implies. I would call that pretty good evidence that somebody is up to something.
DoseofReality
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:26amQPWillie- maybe most dont, but plenty do…look at any thread on this site with reference to evolution or a young earth and read the responses.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:58am@DoseofReality
Report Post »Well, atheists are anxious to jump on anything to express their hatred for this intelligent first cause that they don’t believe exists (really smart bunch, those atheists are).
SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:05amIts best to ignore Phillyatheist. It is self absorbed. It never admits when it’s wrong. Remember, do not cast your pearls before swine.
Report Post »Lesbian Packing Hollow Points
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:10amQPWILLIE calls shenanigans. I guess that’s the end of the controversy. Everyone go home. Nothing to see here.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:59amAye, it’s a brrroad, brrrickt, moonlickt nickt tonickt Nessie.
Report Post »Gonzo
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:58amWho needs Nessie to believe in creationism? The whole premise is ridiculous.
Report Post »Allnamestaken
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:57amI have never understood the vitriolic arguments between creationism and evolution. To my way of thinking the two are not mutually exclusive. Creation evolves and evolution creates. I think the Almighty kows what he is doing.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:07amGod said he created man in his image. He did’t say he created a monkey that evolved into his image. If he can create a monkey or any other animal he doesn’t need evolution.
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:40am@slowbiden
Report Post »who knows hat God looks like? What if he really IS a shape shifting monkey? No THAT would be mindblowing!
Conservative-Atheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:41amThis perfect god created man in his own image and a short time later mankind was so evil and screwed up that god decided to kill them all save the few people who got on that impossibly huge boat?
Appears this god dude is quite the screw up. Maybe he finished at the bottom of his class at god school?
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:54amNo, people know the difference between right and wrong. God gives us free will. People choose to sin, not God.
Report Post »Conservative-Atheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:04pmNo, people know the difference between right and wrong. God gives us free will. People choose to sin, not God.
I see, so the millions? of people he murdered in that little flood were all sinners. All the kids and little babies were sinners too? Everybody except the 8 people that got on that 500 mile long boat. How exactly could a 1 month old baby be evil? I mean, I’m just trying to make sense of this.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:33pmFirst off God never MURDERED anyone. Noah warned all the people of the flood and he was mocked relentlessly. Just as if you were warned that a hurricane is coming and you decide to stay even though everyone tells you that you and your family will die. God is not obligated to save anyones life. Read the book of Job. God allowed Satan to test his servant. One of the tests let Jobs family to be destroyed. Job passed this test. The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. God doesn’t owe you or anyone else anything.
Report Post »Brainmuffin
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:57amYawn.
Report Post »NineteenEighty4
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:53amThese sorts of people truly live in a fantasy world. If the facts don’t support your claims, make up your own facts. If you want to indoctrinate your kids instead of educating them, fine. That’s your right as a parent, I guess. But when they’re introduced to the real world, they will be laughed at. They will have the critical thinking skills of a child. No one with an actual education believes humans just plopped down on a Earth created in 6 days.
Report Post »NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:36amSadly, in America, about 45% of the population believes just that. They believe that the Earth was created in it’s present form less than 10,000 years ago. I blame our poor education system.
Report Post »ShyMan
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:52amI don’t know about Nessie but a theory presented as fact is doing a disservice to students and is at the least misleading.
If that’s the case here then the criticism should apply to that.
On both sides.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:45amI wish the Blaze would point out the fairy tales that are in current “science” books in public schools such as Piltdown man. A fictional character that is based on a tooth that was later proven to be a pig’s tooth. Yet, he survives in the textbooks and imagination of evolutionists. Or the spotted moth experiment that was proven that the “scientist” was painting the spots on them. Perhaps they should mention the Aboriginees pygmies (spelling?) that were held captive in cages here in the U.S. in the early 1900′s to be displayed as the missing link. Or the fictional missing link “Sally” that was proven to be a pieced together character from bones that did not belong together.
I guess the Blaze isn’t interested in that. A little balance would be nice.
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:08amyeah, except that Piltdown was universally exposed as a hoax 60 years ago. See? That’s the beauty of science, it’s constantly self-correcting, as opposed to certain “revealed” truths.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:33am@Squid
“I wish the Blaze would point out the fairy tales that are in current “science” books in public schools such as Piltdown man. A fictional character that is based on a tooth that was later proven to be a pig’s tooth. Yet, he survives in the textbooks and imagination of evolutionists. …Perhaps they should mention the Aboriginees pygmies (spelling?) that were held captive in cages here in the U.S. in the early 1900′s to be displayed as the missing link.”
Just to verify: you’re claiming that a hoax exposed in the 1950s, and side-show attractions from early last century, are in “current” science books and taught in biology classes today?
Come on Squid. That’s a bit silly.
Report Post »Lloyd Drako
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:35am“Piltdown man” and “Nebraska man” survive only in creationist tracts, not in serious science texts.
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:11amand pardon my ignorance but who is Sally? Never heard of her and I don’t think the theory of evolution rests on her imaginary shoulders
Report Post »Spqr1
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 5:20pmSounds like your level of science education is stuck around 1890. Try coming into the 21st C with the rest of us. Even mentioning Piltdown shows how ignorant of the subject you are.
Report Post »Bruce P.
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 6:25pmSQUID — please produce a single school text book currently in use that promotes any of those things you mentioned.
Once again, the creationists have to lie in order to attack evolution. Creationists are nothing but liars. Not a single one of them is to be trusted on anything regarding science.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:37amIt’s completely plausible. In fact, it’s more plausable than Pilt-down man, ( a proven hoax ) or any other “cave man” you find in museums (that always seemingly are dark skinned). There are stones that were found among the Incans that are a few hundered years old that have a drawing of nearly ever known dinosaur on them. I wonder if the Incans watched Jurassic Park or they seen them.
Just as with every great scientific discovery that challenges popular belief, everybody decries it as crazy until they find out it’s not. I’ll take a private christian school/home school kid and put him against a public school kid any day of the week and we’ll check the S.A.T scores of each. I think we all know who will win that.
Report Post »DoseofReality
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:49amWow – reading a comment like this and its clear why we are so far behind in science compared to so many other modern countries who gave up this craziness years ago. You think the Loch ness monster is real and should be taught in science classes as proof that evolution is untrue? Wow….thats really all i can say.
Report Post »phillyatheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:55amDOSE – wow was going to be my response as well. i really shouldn’t be surprised though.
the bigger issue here is the public funding of these Religious/Private schools. it’s about to become law in my home state of PA, where millions of tax credits are going to be given so that children can go to Catholic/Parochial schools. it’s BS and it needs to stop!
Report Post »Conservative-Atheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:17amImagine my absolute shock coming here and seeing religious arguing against evolution. That’s a new one.
Report Post »SoNick
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:18amNo credible scientist has ever backed the authenticity of the Ica stones (not Incan btw). These stones were mas produced by Peruvian hucksters to fleece gullible tourists. Please find some relevant examples. Frauds are frauds and science exposes them for what they are. Try again Squid!
Report Post »flipper1073
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:41am@PHILLYATHEIST
So You Don’t want your Tax Dollars spent on Teaching
Creationism (Adam & Eve) an I don’t want mine spent on
Evolution (Man Evolved from Apes) Both are Unproven Theories.
So We Agree Get rid of the Department of Education.
Leave the money in the States an local School Districts.
All I want Schools to teach is Critical Thinking.
Indoctrination is NOT Teaching it’s Brainwashing.
Question Everything with Boldness
Even the Very Existence of GOD.
PS I don’t believe in the Flintstones (Caveman an Dinosaurs co-existing)
Report Post »any more than I believe in Nessie or Sashquach or Abominable Snowman.
Those are Myth’s
Creation an Evolution are Both Theories an totally Unprovable.
Give Children ALL the Information an Teach Them to think for Themselves.
Indoctrination is Not Education.
SoNick
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:03am@flipper1073
Report Post »you claim that “Indoctrination is Not Education” but you prove that you were subjected to the former rather than the later when you go on to state that “Creation an Evolution are Both Theories an totally Unprovable”. You really don’t know what a scientific theory is, don’t you? Your entire post is a textbook example of a false equivalence and the so-called “critical thinking” you are advocating is just relativist bull…
flipper1073
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 1:25pm@SONICK
Report Post »So You believe Indoctrination IS Education ?
I was Taught Darwins Theory of Evolution in School.
I was Taught Adam an Eve in Sunday School.
I Believe NEITHER !
If You were Taught in School that the Earth Was Flat
An Most Scientist Agreed Would You Believe IT ?
There is NO Scientific Prove of Evolution.(Macro-Evolution)
An yes I know what Scientific Theory is it means a Consensus
of Scientist Agree. Doesn’t make it Proven
kinda like Man Made Global Warming (Not a Proven FACT or even close).
But if You Want to Believe What Someone Else Tells You to Believe
Be My Guest.
I Think for Myself.
SoNick
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:28pm@flipper1073
Report Post »What you call “thinking for yourself” I call “arguing from ignorance”. And I never said that I believe Indoctrination and education are the same thing. Read my post again and tell me where I made that statement.
But let’s not nitpick and get down to brass tacks: you said you don‘t believe in the Creation myth and you don’t believe in evolution. if we were not created and if we did not evolve, where did we come from?
Bruce P.
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 6:31pmSQUID — “or any other “cave man” you find in museums (that always seemingly are dark skinned).”
And here we get the the HEART of why the fundamentalist Christian conservative hates evolution…because it means all humans were once dark-skinned, which means the fundamentalist’s ancestors were dark-skinned, which they cannot stomach. It is not that we evolved from animals that disturbs their racist hearts and minds but that they may be related to dark skinned people — that God did not make the white man separate as His chosen people.
Thank you for exposing your true feelings, SQUID.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:29amWhat I think it shows is, like the coelacanth, a prehistoric creature can survive without evolving. And the legendary basis for the creature is by the recording of an incident involving Saint Columba. But blaze, quit showing the fake photo. It was discounted years ago. Dr. Rines has less controversial underwater photos.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:21amThe only thing worse than this text book is the bible.
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:38amWhy’s that? Overwhelming feeling of guilt you have when you read it? Yea right, like you have read it.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:10amCame from Newsbusters to find some easy cheese, huh? How much per post Jer?
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:37amI have read it! It’s wordy and poorly written. But that’s to be expected from a book that was edited in the 17th century from 16th century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century.
Report Post »puravida56
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 9:56amGood reply G.E.R.
So what if this textbook claims lochness is real….its not like they are claiming that a man can live in a fish belly for three days or that 2-7 of every species could fit on one boat. It doesnt explain the worlds’ different languages with a story about god getting mad because people built a tower and it doesnt claim that men with no modern medicine lived a thousand years.
All in all- this text book is much more credible than the bible.
Report Post »G.E.R
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:15am@puravida
Report Post »Yours was good as well. I would like to add.
Not only could 2-7 of every species fit on one boat. They were all within walking distance from Noah’s house.
sawbuck
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:22ampuravida56 and G.E.R
So you two don’t believe in a supreme being..
But you don’t have a problem in believing in the some big bang “theory”
You believe that by some miracle , all life ended up on ONE planet..
And if you are going to say “no one knows about life on other planets” .
My answer to that is….Look who is “believing” in something now.
Report Post »Conservative-Atheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 11:39am@sawbuck
You believe that by some miracle , all life ended up on ONE planet..
Who believes that nonsense? There’s a big difference between believing that there is likely life out there on some of the trillions of planets and believing that one magical sky dude created the entire universe. (where did he come from?) The former is extremely likely and the latter is extraordinarily unlikely if not absolutely impossible to believe without the benefit (or curse) of a religious upbringing (brainwashing).
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:07pmConservative-Atheist
Report Post »Yeah…Your belief in alien life forms and UfO’s…
is more believable than my belief in a Supreme Being.
Thanks I needed a good laugh today..
NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:07pmsawbuck – Nobody “believes” in the Big Bang. We accept it based on overwhelming, observable, quantifiable evidence. We can measure the microwave background radiation. We can observe the red shifting of galaxies. We can observe objects that are billions of light years away. This means that the light from them has been traveling through space for billions of years to reach Earth. The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away. When we look at it in the night sky, the photons hitting ours eyes have been traveling through space for 2.5 million years. This is kind of difficult if the universe is less than 10,000 years old.
Because light takes time to reach us, we can actually see back in time. We can see the universe evolving. We can see objects like Quasars, which no longer exist. We can see things like “The Pillars of Creation”, which no longer exists. We can see the universe as it was approximately 14 billion years ago and no farther.
Report Post »Conservative-Atheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:32pmsawbuck
Conservative-Atheist
Yeah…Your belief in alien life forms is more believable than my belief in a Supreme Being.
Didn’t say I believed, said it is likely. More believable than your crazy story….of course. Duh.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:38pmNJBARFLY
No Big Bang…?
Hmmm …That only took about twenty years for that science-fact
to fade away..
You know there is no such telescope that sees into the afterlife.
Maybe God didn’t build the “hear and now” realm that we live in …
Report Post »until approximately 14 billion years ago..
NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:58pmSawbuck –
“No Big Bang…?
Hmmm …That only took about twenty years for that science-fact
to fade away..”
I just made an entire post showing you the evidence for the Big Bang and you took it to mean that it was disproved? Did you even read anything I wrote before responding? Reading is fundamental. Try it sometime.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 1:26pmNJBARFLY
Report Post »WOW…We all have been taking comments out of context..
Who would have guessed.. I thought it was just you guys.
Bruce P.
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 6:35pmSAW — as we have not yet developed the ability to observe the other planets closely enough to determine if there is only life on Earth.
You are right, we believe there may be life on other planets. You are not, it is a belief that is not yet backed up by observation. However, there is no reason to believe there is not life on other planets nor any reason to believe that Earth alone holds the capacity for life.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:12amWhy would any Christian use a example ..That’s base in folklore
When Atheist consider our belief in God ..Nothing but the same…?
No sense in arguing over how old the earth is either…
Report Post »No one has ever seen Gods clock and calendar.
phillyatheist
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 8:52am“No sense in arguing over how old the earth is either…”
yeah, who needs to “know things” anyway?
and there is no argument. unless you believe there is a massive conspiracy theory that the entire Scientific community is in on…oh wait, where am i posting this again? of course you believe there is a conspiracy theory, this is the Blaze after all.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 10:27amPhilly..
Hah…conspire..? You bet …!
science..?…You mean like Global Warming…That kind of science..?
I’ll take God’s Word over “distorted” and “skewed data” and then present
as FACT…from a group of people with a PHD beside their name ,
for credibility sake…
Then in order to further their true agenda they CONSPIRE
Report Post »And assert with one collective voice and with only a sole
motive in mind and that is to…..discredit intelligent design..
NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 12:38pmSawbuck – Yep, you figured it all out. The entire biology community, most of whom are Christian, are conspiring for some reason to discredit intelligent design.
Trust me, even if the entire biology community had an agenda, it wouldn’t have to conspire to discredit so called “intelligent design”. It does that all on its own.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 2:10pmNJBARFLY
Report Post »When did the big-bang-theory/belief… become the big-bang-LAW..?
NJBarFly
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 2:30pmScientists start off with things called hypotheses. Non-scientists may call these theories. Scientists DO NOT call them that. When boatloads of evidence is collected that confirms the hypothesis, and little to no evidence is found to refutes it, only then do scientists call it a theory. Theories are well established and well supported by evidence. Laws are slightly different in that they don’t explain a mechanism for a particular phenomena, they just describe the behavior of systems under certain conditions.
Do not get distracted by the word ‘theory’ or assume that the word gives you free license to assume that it’s only a guess that some ivory tower scientist made. Again, theories are well established and backed up by overwhelming evidence.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 27, 2012 at 3:50pmThe Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says:
“matter cannot be created or destroyed”
Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the “Second Law of Thermodynamics” which says:
“Everything tends towards disorder”
So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic…
Paul was aware of this when he wrote his letter to the Hebrews:
Everything “.. waxes old like a garment” (quoted in both Psalm 102:25-27, and also Hebrews 1:10-12).
“This verse ”anticipates the famous second law of thermodynamics, or law of entropy, indicating that everything in the physical universe is growing old and wearing out. God created everything in the beginning, winding it up like a great clock, so to speak. Because of sin and the curse, however, it has been running down and “perishing” ever since. Jesus also said: “Heaven and earth shall pass away” (literally, “are passing away”) (Matthew 24:35)” – Waxing Old, like a Garment by Henry Morris, Ph.D.
Things wear down. Nothing gets better by itself.
If I told you that thousands of pieces of timber were set in motion by a tornado in a lumberyard and this ultimately resulted in the amazing design and complexity of the house you live in, you would think this was absurd to say the very least.
Report Post »