Cops: Trayvon Martin Shooter Might Have Uttered ‘Fu**ing Coons’ Before Shooting

Police investigating the controversial shooting of a Florida teen admitted Tuesday they may have missed a piece of evidence. According to previously unreleased 911 recordings, the shooter, George Zimmerman, may have uttered the phrase “fu**ing coons” before shooting the now-dead teen, Trayvon Martin.

ABC News has more:

The Florida police department handling the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teen by a self-appointed neighborhood watch leader admitted to ABC News tonight that investigators missed a possible racist remark by the shooter as he spoke to police dispatchers moments before the killing.

The admission comes a day after the Justice Department announced that it has launched an investigation of the slaying of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman last month as a possible hate crime.

On a tape of one of Zimmerman’s 911 calls the night of the shooting, he is heard saying under his breath what sounds like “f**ing coons.” Seconds later he confronted Martin and after a brief scuffle shot him dead.

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You can listen to the recording of what some are calling a possible slur here. And while most outlets are reporting on it as a possible slur, that’s mostly because the phrase is slightly unintelligible.

Because of that not, everyone is convinced regarding the recording. An audio expert hired by WFTV in Florida, for example, believes Zimmerman said “punks.” No one reporting on the phrase, however, has questioned if it’s possible Zimmerman was, in fact, referring to raccoons that may have been in the area, which would not be unheard of since the shooting occurred at night.*

Zimmerman has not been charged in the Feb. 26 shooting and has said he shot Martin, who was returning to a gated community in the city after buying candy at a convenience store, in self-defense after Martin attacked him. Police said Zimmerman is white; his family says he is Hispanic.

The case has ignited a furor against the police department of this Orlando suburb of 53,500 people, prompting rallies and a protest in Gov. Rick Scott’s office Tuesday. The Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division said it is sending its community relations service this week to Sanford to “address tension in the community.”

Trayvon Martin Shooter George Zimmerman May Have Said Fu**king Coons Before Shooting

Trayvon Martin (L) and George Zimmerman (R). (Photo: ABC)

Earlier in the week, the federal agency opened a civil rights probe into the shooting, and in Florida, Seminole County State Attorney Norm Wolfinger said a grand jury will meet April 10 to consider evidence in the case.

“We are pleased the Department of Justice has heeded our calls and agreed to investigate this outrageous case,” NAACP head Ben Jealous said in an emailed statement Tuesday. “The rules of justice in this nation have failed when an innocent teenage boy can be shot to death by a vigilante and no arrest is made for weeks.”

Local NAACP leader Turner Clayton Jr. said the federal Justice Department should not only review the investigation but also take over the Sanford Police Department.

Other civil rights leaders said the city’s police chief should step down.

“This is just the beginning of what is taking place,” Clayton said. “We’re going to make sure justice prevails.”

When The Associated Press tried to reach the police department Tuesday evening for comment, a dispatcher told a reporter to call in the morning.

Earlier Tuesday, an attorney for Martin’s family revealed the teenager told his girlfriend just moments before he was killed that he was being followed.

“‘Oh he’s right behind me, he’s right behind me again,’” 17-year-old Trayvon Martin told his girlfriend on his cellphone, attorney Benjamin Crump said.

The girl later heard Martin say, “Why are you following me?” Another man asked, “What are you doing around here?’” Crump said.

Crump told reporters Tuesday Martin cried out when a man bearing a 9mm handgun came at him. Police said Zimmerman, who was found bleeding from his nose and the back of his head, told authorities he yelled out for help before shooting Martin.

“She absolutely blows Zimmerman’s absurd self-defense claim out of the water,” Crump said of Martin’s girlfriend, whose name was withheld.

Martin, who was in town from Miami to visit his father in Sanford, called his 16-year-old girlfriend in Miami several times on Feb. 26, including just before the shooting, Crump said. The discovery of the lengthy conversations, including one moments before the shooting, was made over the weekend by Martin’s father, who checked his son’s cell phone log, Crump said.

The teenager told the girl on his way back from the store he‘d taken shelter from the rain briefly at an apartment building in his father’s gated community, Crump said. Martin then told her he was being followed and would try to lose the person, Crump said.

“She says: `Run.’ He says, `I’m not going to run, I’m just going to walk fast,’” Crump said, quoting the girl.

After Martin encountered Zimmerman, the girl thought she heard a scuffle “because his voice changes like something interrupted his speech,” Crump said. The phone call ended before the girl heard gunshots.

The last call was at 7:12 p.m. Police arrived at 7:17 p.m. to find Martin lying face down on the ground.

Zimmerman was handcuffed after police arrived and taken into custody for questioning, but was released by police without being charged. Police have interviewed Zimmerman twice since then.

Crump called the treatment patently unfair and asked if Martin would have received the same treatment if he had been the shooter.

“We will not rest until he is arrested. The more time that passes, this is going to be swept under the rug,” Crump said.

Crump said he plans to turn over information about the call to federal investigators; a grand jury in Seminole County is also likely to subpoena the records. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement is also involved in the state case.

Former federal prosecutors said there are limitations to a Justice Department civil rights probe, which typically would involve a sworn law enforcement officer accused of abusing his authority.

In this case, they said, it’s not clear whether Zimmerman had any actual law enforcement authority or if the Sanford Police Department did anything improper. Zimmerman had a permit to carry a gun, but it was not required for his neighborhood watch patrol.

“I think the community has the feeling that there’s some type of cover-up,” said Jeffrey Sloman, former U.S. attorney in Miami. “At least the department’s involvement makes sure it gets some review. He wasn’t a police officer. I’m sure that this is going to be a tough case to prosecute.”

Authorities may be hamstrung by a state “Stand Your Ground” law that allows people to defend themselves with deadly force and does not require a retreat in the face of danger. Asked Tuesday if that law needs change, Republican Gov. Rick Scott said “it’s always positive to go back and think about existing laws.”

During a town hall meeting in Sanford, Florida Rep. Geraldine Thompson promised the law‘s repeal would be a top priority for the state legislature’s black caucus.

“If vigilante justice becomes the norm, will visitors feel comfortable coming to our state?” she said.

An online petition urging local authorities to prosecute Zimmerman had drawn more than 700,000 signatures at website Change.org as of early Wednesday. About 50 defense attorneys and protesters filled the lobby in the governor’s office Tuesday to deliver a letter seeking an independent investigation and a task force to study racial profiling. They applauded when Scott came out of his office to talk to them.

“I will make sure justice prevails,” Scott said. “I’m very comfortable that (state law enforcement) is going to do the right thing. They’re not going to let somebody do something wrong and get away with it.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

*This section of the story has been updated.

Comments (154)

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  • tifosa
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:33am

    Did you listen to the link above? The audio was released and THAT is where it came from.

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  • Lumbar Spine
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:29am

    I think many of you are missing the point of this evidence. It actually doesn’t matter whether Zimmerman said “coon” or “punk”…the fact is that he was making a disparaging remark directed towards an innocent kid walking down the street. Zimmerman was initially exonerated by claiming self-defense under the “stand your ground” law. However, his remarks are relevant towards showing that Zimmerman was the aggressor and not the victim.

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    • CultureWarriors
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:45am

      Here we go again. The media completely ignoring the facts. The “racist vigilante” here is Hispanic and the dead teen was Black. I don’t know where any “white” person was involved. But no one would watch if the headline was Hispanic on Black violence. Says volumes about the politically correct crowd. They’re all racist if you ask me. Pathetic. Frankly if you watch the MSM you are a moron and a racist. NO ONE who watches the MSM has any clue what the truth is. And that’s a fact Jack!

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    • Nemo13
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:52am

      Um, someone out to proactively protect is obviously an ‘aggressor’. You are not a victim when you stand up for your own / property.

      Let the evidence be heard. Let them both be judged. Either way, not a YT story. NEXT!

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    • tifosa
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:53am

      Who said anything about a “white person?” Listen to the audio above~THAT is what brings it into the racism/hate crime realm.

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    • marybethelizabeth
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:46am

      It’s always been the Blacks fighting the Hispanics. And the Hispanics fighting the Blacks. Nothing has changed.

      Whites always make everything about themselves. No one wants you or your stuff, white man.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 4:11pm

      If you were trying to get up the spine to take another life, you might call the victim a cur, or punk, or dog, or devil, or just label them as inferior racially.

      That’s the way cowards always act when they decide to stalk and execute a“lower” life form.

      TEA

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  • Damn the Taxes - Full Speed Ahead
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:26am

    I won’t try to engage your retarded racist azz in conversation, however, click on the link and listen to the murderer say ‘racist coons’ – it is somewhat muffled as if his hand was on the cell microphone and away from his mouth, but this racist comment before the murder is plainly there!

    http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-possible-racial-slur-explicit/vGbyc/

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  • coongeg
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:19am

    Ssssssoooooo…………..

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  • kiddopup
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:16am

    WHY report this if it is a might of the Blaze has turned into another some news but more diversion crap

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    • Clive
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 11:31am

      i don’t really see this as being divisive. I think most republicans and democrats with a few brain cells, would agree that he needs to be behind bars, right now, and go to trial for this. let a jury decide his fate.

      i lived in florida for a year and a half in my twenties…. its a great place to visit, but i’d never, ever, live there, especially with my children. The sun, the wild life, the ocean, the palm trees, are awesome… the people, the culture…. are not.

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  • Locked
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:12am

    I too dislike the double standard and the cries of “race crime! Race crime!” That said, I think everyone can agree that if someone chases, confronts, and shoots an unarmed teenager, they should at the very least be arrested. It’s been almost a month, and just now outside authorities are getting involved?

    Florida. I swear, my state is messed up sometimes.

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  • blanco5
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:07am

    “might” have uttered……

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  • Rick Steele
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:01am

    Double Standard!

    I hear a lot of rightous outrage on the story.

    Where’s the outrage on THIS story:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-get-what-you-deserve-white-boy-13-year-old-set-on-fire-in-horrific-racially-charged-attack/

    Where’s the chanting in the streets? Where’s the call for a Grand Jury Inquiry? Where’s the poverty pimps on MSNBC? Where’s the calls for “No Justice, No Peace!”?

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    • The_Jerk
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:12am

      You are absolutely correct. There are many more examples. Frankly, I’m sick and tired of the institutionalized and racist double standard.

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    • Godfather.1
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:18am

      A big difference is that in that case, the police actually tried to do something about it and are looking for the perpetrators. Here, the police seemed content with Zimmerman’s answer that it was self-defense without actually looking more into the case. Here, the local cops haven’t done ****. That is the difference.

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    • kegbuna
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 12:27pm

      There was no dereliction of duty in that case, the “institution” being the justice system, is appropriately investigating and prosecuting the individuals who committed this crime. That was a horrific crime, by the way

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 5:01pm

      @ricksteel
      It’s not a double standard but you certainly are good at false equivalences.

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    • cmonnow
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:07pm

      The hate crime in that case in indefensible, but the kid did not suffer serious injuries, was in the hospital for a few hours, and nobody is saying that those boys will not be punished. It took weeks before Trayvon Martin’s death came to national attention. This story is terrible, the perps need to be punished, and it is a hate crime. However, conservatives generally don’t like hate crime classifications, so that is a catch-22.. Will it be talked about in the national media? Sure, it should be if the local police cover for the boys and decide not to punish them. Keep us posted.

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    • AWEF321
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 2:25am

      I was going to answers question about why no chanting in the streets, etc, but i think Godfather.1,kegbuna,SoNick and cmonnow already got my point across to you, so why bother.

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  • TruthSeeker11111
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:00am

    George Zimmerman did nothing wrong! And, I’ll never believe anything the racist black so called leaders say in reference to any case. The man was right in protecting his neighborhood.

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:06am

      You’ll never believe? Even if, after an investigation, Zimmerman’s guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, you would still find him innocent because black leaders are calling for his arrest? How’s the weather in your bubble? As for “he did nothing wrong”, do I need to remind you that a 16 year old kid is dead?

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    • Locked
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:08am

      “The man was right in protecting his neighborhood.”

      Ah, trolls. Shoo, shoo, back under your bridge. We‘ll toss a goat down to you if you’re nice and quiet.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:13am

      And you are a savage…an innocent, unarmed kid did not deserve to die. Have you even listened to the 911 tapes? The police dispatcher told Zimmerman to back off but he pursued the kid anyway. In a tape of a neighbor’s 911 call you can hear the kid screaming for help…then a gunshot. And you are a patheticv excuse for an American.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:51am

      As disgusting as some of the posts in here and on the other Tayvon threads are, the comments on the Focksnooze site take the cake~vitriolic, racist, ignorant. Good grief, were people like this before Ailes or has he helped create this?

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:06am

      TIFOSA…FOX and other right winger talkers reassure their viewers/listeners that it’s okay to be racist. And their purpose is to keep their viewers/listeners in a perpetual state of agitation.

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    • oneshiner
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:29am

      YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. How could this be considered anything more than an idiot with a gun
      shooting a decent young boy? In any event, this guy had no business shooting anyone for walking
      through a gated community. On the tape, he was told not to follow him. This was MURDER, even with the limited info we have. The boy was not breaking and entering, just walking.

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  • JimSB
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:54am

    Many years ago, I was a member of a Neighborhood Watch in the suburban DC area. In our training (conducted by the police), we were taught that our primary task was to report suspicious activities to the authorities, not patrol armed, and NOT to confront any suspects. If the reports are true, Mr. Zimmermann not only broke every possible rule of NW, but then decided to shoot an unarmed teenager after he (Mr. Z) initiated the confrontation. This makes NW look like a bunch of crazy vigilantes, gives the gun control kooks ammunition to attack our rights, and brings the fans of “hate crimes” out of the woodwork (I am in favor of punishing the act rather than the motive). The real travesty is that Mr. Z was not arrested immediately while the shooting was investigated. NW is not given police powers, and frankly I would not feel safer if untrained, armed patrols were conducted in my neighborhood by people who felt empowered to use their weapons in non-life threatening situations.

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    • M1A2_Tanker
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 6:15pm

      First, “Suburban D.C.” There you go of coarse you were told to not be armed. Second, It doesn’t matter if NW “Has Police power’s” Zimmerman has a Concealed carry permit. He is trained in it’s use and laws that apply as it is required of the permitting process. Zimmerman needs no such “Police Powers” to defend himself. (regardless of whether or not this act was self defense) How did you know that the boy was not armed?……Because the Police searched the boy and found that to be the case, Zimmerman did not know that the boy was unarmed, he “might” have also thought that he was armed. Point is YOU only know it now after the fact and from the police. Zimmerman did not know for sure and therefore acted in a manner to protect what he felt at the time was his life. Third, “Travesty he wasn’t arrested” WHY? If the Police had a single shred of evidence that this may not have been self defense at the time do you really think they would not have arrested him? They did not have any reason to discount his story. Are you advocating that Police go around arresting people and then figure out how and what to charge them for? Is this still a Nation of Laws where the citizens are still innocent until PROVEN guilty? So Called conservatives running around wanting people detained until proven innocent. Making judgements without the whole story nor the facts. If Zimmerman Killed this kid then they will go after him. Convicting Zimmerman in the street is Vigilantism.

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  • blanco5
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:53am

    Just think, if this was black killiing white, there would be no story! But the professional agitators (sharpton, jesse) would claim bad childhood or some other weak excuse. Ah, just love America.

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    • Godfather.1
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:56am

      On top of that, the suspect would have been arrested. In fact, he probably would already have been sentenced to death by a FL court. Yep, sure love America.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:57am

      This isn’t about a “story”…an innocent kid was shot dead. How would you feel if it was your kid, regardless of the color of the shooter?

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    • blanco5
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:59am

      Nope, lumbar, they are making it about race.

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    • Nemo13
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:03am

      Do not assume an ‘innocent kid’ was shot dead. You have only stories. The shooter had injuries. When confronted, a normal person would say: “Hey! My father lives here!” And show proof. This could have been avoided. Let it go to court. Pretty sure this ‘innocent kid’ has a criminal record. We shall see.

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    • Locked
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:09am

      “Nope, lumbar, they are making it about race.”

      Translation:

      “I’m ignoring the horror of an unarmed teenager being shot to death and his killer not being arrested because I think complaining about race is more important.”

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:18am

      Ask yourself whether Zimmerman would have gotten so worked up about this kid being in his neighborhood if the kid wasn’t black. Sounds to me that Zimmerman assumed the kid was up to no good because he was black. If a white, blonde kid with a botton-down colllar shirt had been walking around would Zimmerman have gotten so worked up and pursued him?

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:18am

      NEMO13 You got it right,we shouldn’t assume anything and let the matter go through the court,remember there was an alleged crime and Zimmerman will have an attorney to zealously defend him.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:22am

      Hey, NEMO..why should anyone have to show ID to some self-appointed Neighborhood Watch captain? That’s for the police to do. And the police dispatcher told Zimmerman to back off.

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    • Nemo13
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:27am

      Lumbar, it is silly to ASSUME. Would he be just as worked up if the kid was WHITE? Sure. I would. What is he doing there if I don’t recognize him? You can‘t judge on a person’s mindset. Being a person who lives in FL, black crime is high as usual, so why take chances. All the kid had to do was explain himself. If his father lived there, he could give the address and they could both go and check it out. Didn’t happen. This is no big story, its just an everyday story. Much worse ones than this.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:45am

      NEMO…what gives you, or George Zimmerman, to stop an innocent person the street and demand that he show ID and/or account for himself? The people here are the ones always complaining about how their precious “freedoms” are being taken away. You mean to tell me an innocent kid can’t walk to the store to get a bag of Skittles without having to stop and explain himself to a total stranger?

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    • Godfather.1
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:51am

      @Nemo13

      Actually, he had no duty to explain himself as Zimmerman is not a cop.

      This is what happens what stupid people take the law into their own hands and try to act like cops. The cops told him to stop following Martin but Zimmerman continued anyways.

      What would you do if someone started following you and then confronted you? What if it was a block away from your house?

      According to you, no one has the right to walk around, especially not 17 year old black kids because they are all up to no good. If you have the misfortune of being born black, you might as well never leaver your house because if you do it is most likely because you are going to commit a crime. Why else would a black person be walking the streets?

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 1:33pm

      @Nemo13
      what you’re advocating has a name: it’s called racial profiling. According to your warped view of justice, since a disproportionate number of black people are arrested and jailed in Florida, all blacks are defacto suspicious? Don‘t you realize that what you’re saying amounts to declaring that they don’t have the same civil liberties as white Floridians?

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    • Clive
      Posted on March 22, 2012 at 11:18am

      black or white, this was a 28 year old man, who stalked a 17 year old kid, and murdered him. it doesn’t matter what he “thought” the kid was doing, or whatever, in the end, he’s just a killer. The whole race thing may or may not be factored into things, as long as george goes to prison and justice is served, who cares.

      actually… prison might be the only safe place for good old george.

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  • Nemo13
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:34am

    No one just up and shoots someone. Zimmerman had injuries. Who is to say Martin was ‘not doing anything’ ? His girlfriend? How can you be sure she is telling the truth unless you have her call recording? A 17 hear old just going to the store for candy… hmm…. uh huh..

    Zimmerman is Hispanic / Jewish. Not YT, sorry black people, you’ll have to take your cause elsewhere on this one.

    Innocent until proven guilty.

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    • Godfather.1
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:01am

      Who has ever heard of a 17 year old going to the store for candy? He was more likely looking for crack and hookers. If that didn’t work out, his plan was likely to break into a house on the street. Seriously, who eats candy these days? Surely not 17 year old black kids. After all, we all know that 17 year old black kids are always up to no good, especially while walking alone at night with a bag of candy and a can of iced tea.

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:08am

      funny how your “iinocent until proven guilty” only applies to Zimmerman and not to that poor kid.

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    • Nemo13
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:10am

      Godfather, why do you visit actual criminal records for FL, HMM? have a look at what group / age group is doing what. Facts are facts. And since it is not likely a nice little trip to the candy store like a 12 year old would do, we will have all the facts come out in court. Then we will all see the history of this nice little 17 year old, and why he just didn’t tell Zimmerman that he was visiting his father who lived there like a normal person would. That is how you avoid getting shot.

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    • Godfather.1
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:29am

      @Nemo13

      How do you know he didn’t tell Zimmerman that his father lived there?

      Also, he was found with skittles and a can of iced tea and was very close to his father’s house. What part of this indicates to you that he was doing anything but going out to get candy? Let me guess, it’s the fact that he is black.

      Even if more blacks do commit crimes, that in no way means that Martin was in any way involved in a crime here. From your comments, it appears that you think all blacks have criminal records so you assume Martin did. However, considering The Blaze hasn’t reported that this guy had a criminal record, which you can bet it would have had he had one, it is highly unlikely that he was a criminal.

      On the other hand, Zimmerman did have a history of violence against police officers and had a history of calling 911 when he spotted blacks in the neighborhood. I know the Blaze won‘t tell you these things and since you are clearly racist and ignorant you won’t actually look it up yourself, but maybe you should look at the facts before just making **** up.

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    • Locked
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:34am

      “Facts are facts. And since it is not likely a nice little trip to the candy store like a 12 year old would do, we will have all the facts come out in court.”

      See now, here’s the funny thing. Until this picked up national attention, it had no chance of going to court. Zimmerman was never arrested; the police let him go. The killing happened almost a month ago, and he still has not been arrested. When I grew up, if you shot someone (even in “self defense”), you would still be arrested and sent to trial; because it’s up to a jury to determine self defense.

      “and why he just didn’t tell Zimmerman that he was visiting his father who lived there like a normal person would. That is how you avoid getting shot.”

      No. It is on a responsible gun owner to not shoot an unarmed kid. The idea isn’t “You should go along with someone holding a gun,” it’s “you should only ever use a gun if someone comes after you.”

      Let’s turn this around, Nemo. If the kid had a gun and Zimmerman started chasing him down, would you say he would be justified in turning around and shooting Zimmerman?

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    • SoNick
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:36am

      @Nemo13
      So, according to your logic, Zimmerman had a “right” to harrass that kid and it was Trayvon Martin’s “responsibility” to abide by the rules of a self-appointed vigilante? The kid should have known his place (which, apparently, was definitely not an affluent white neighbourhood)? Aren’t you supposed to be defending individual liberties? You rant against government opression but you have no problem with mob rule? What about lynching? Should we start hanging black kids from trees to set an example?

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    • Godfather.1
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:42am

      @Nemo13

      “Why he just didn’t tell Zimmerman that he was visiting his father who lived there like a normal person would. That is how you avoid getting shot.”

      He had absolutely no duty to tell Zimmerman why he was there. In fact, the police told Zimmerman to stop following him, a direction he did not follow. But, according to you, if he failed to tell Zimmerman why he was walking down the street, something he has an absolute righto to by the way, it was his fault that Zimmerman shot him?

      So, if someone thinks you are suspicious and comes up to you and demands that you tell him what you are doing there and you don’t immediately explain your life story, does he then have the right to shoot you? According to you, yes.

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    • NOITUloveR
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 10:04am

      @Nemo

      It’s dark out and a grown man is following me (I’m not a grown man). Sorry, regardless of his color, I’m not going to stop and have a conversation with him. I am going to get to my house as quickly as possible.

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  • momrules
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:31am

    Regardless of what happened or what was said, too many in the black community have already tried and convicted Zimmerman. Al Sharpton has declared him guilty, Quanel X of Houston has declared him guilty, theNBLM and how many other black organizations have declared him guilty.

    Too often when these things happen lives are ruined regardless of the truth because the truth only comes out later. The most recent of Sharptons crusades was the Duke University rape case and the Jena, La. nooses case. Both were blown out of proportion because some people did not want facts, they wanted a white on black hate crime.

    I hope Zimmerman gets a trial in a courtroom, not a trial by Sharpton and his supporters.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:35am

      You may need to read further. An investigation and potentially trial are exactly what Al is calling for. The issue is that no such thing had been pursued.

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    • momrules
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:55am

      Tifosa ……….an investigation is being done. Al Sharpton is a known race baiter, hate monger and you should know that. If you haven’t heard of the Duke case or the Jena case or the Brawley case, please educate yourself to how Sharpton’s interference into these cases distorted the truth and ruined lives.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 9:20am

      Now an investigation is being done…bur only because of the outcry by black leaders.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on March 24, 2012 at 10:29am

      Anybody with “MOM” in their nick should be advocating justice. What if it was your 17y.o.?

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  • wildjoker5
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:28am

    During a town hall meeting in Sanford, Florida Rep. Geraldine Thompson promised the law‘s repeal would be a top priority for the state legislature’s black caucus.

    “If vigilante justice becomes the norm, will visitors feel comfortable coming to our state?” she said.

    Seriously? One person going above the call makes the state a safe haven for vigilantism? These libs can’t wait to jump on the stereotyping bandwagon, but will crucify anyone that mentions something the majority of their base does as a racist.

    They also say the people are worried about a police cover up? Geez, wonder where they could get that idea. Maybe from the flame baiting of people that were not there and are making absurd judgements off a phone call that has not definative evidence. The “stand your ground” law has helped more people than has harmed, and there is a reason for the saying of “when seconds count, cops are minutes away”. The cops took over 10 minutes to get there after the first call from Zimmerman.

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  • EqualJustice
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:27am

    I didn’t hear anything, but that doesn‘t mean he din’t say it? How canthey tell? I think they have special sound clearing equipment that can help? Either way, UNLESS they know for sure, why would they FEED into this and start more riots? Let the COURTS decide, as they should. IF he did this on purpose, do you think it was a LOVE crime? HATE CRIME.. stupid law.

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  • Godfather.1
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:22am

    “Still, no one reporting on the phrase has questioned if it’s possible Zimmerman was, in fact, referring to raccoons that may have been in the area, which would not be unheard of since the shooting occurred at night.”

    Jonathon M. Seidl, are you really that stupid?

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    • Locked
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:50am

      I thought the exact same thing. Sure, the man was chasing after a suspicious individual, was on the phone with 911, and was muttering about friggin’ raccoons.

      I’m hoping it was just a really, really poor joke.

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  • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:12am

    Here is my opinion on the matter, there is a grand jury already investigating the matter. If he has violated laws and indeed commited a crime let the man face the courts and his guilt or innocence in accordance to the law be establised thus.

    Remember, in the eyes of the law we are all supposed to be innocence until PROVEN guilty.

    Right now from the Federal level, watch for Holder to come down on this case with a ton of steel and fire; remember he said hate-crimes apply only to those where a minority is a victim. Obama and cronies will milk this for their gun control/elimination movement for all it is worth.

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    • MONICNE
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 4:18pm

      Snow, keep spinning.

      Remember in the eyes of the Florida law, we are all supposed to be shot to death before proven guilty.

      Whether or not we are “so called” innocent teenagers…we are still guilty of walking about while black.

      TEA

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  • Stuck_in_CA
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:11am

    Yesterday, KFI’s Bill Carroll played the 911 call.He thought at first, the shooter had said coons, but after listening closer, changed his mind. Zimmerman had said “…punks.”
    Eric Holder is predisposed to ANYTHING racial.
    This kid should never have died. Tragic.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:22am

      Listen for yourself. What do YOU hear?

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  • Lumbar Spine
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:10am

    My question is how could George Zimmerman have been “standing his ground” in self-defense under the law when he continued to pursue Trayvon Martin even after a police dispatcher told him not to?

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  • Locked
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:09am

    “Still, no one reporting on the phrase has questioned if it’s possible Zimmerman was, in fact, referring to raccoons that may have been in the area, which would not be unheard of since the shooting occurred at night.”

    Probably because no one still alive has taken enough hits to their head to think of it.

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  • tifosa
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:07am

    Clear as a bell. Let this be prosecuted like the crime it was.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:55am

      So a jury already gave it’s verdict? When did that happen? You claim a crime was committed, you meant to say alleged crime. You’re welcome.

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  • SpankDaMonkey
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:04am

    .
    The Black Africans want the shooter to be a White guy so bad they can taste it……I wonder how Obama will handel this? Seeing how he’s pulling on his knee pads for the Hispanic Vote…..

    I do wonder why the cops did not arrest the guy in the first place, seeing how he’s a Mexican (wink,wink)….

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  • RJJinGadsden
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:04am

    Honestly, having spent most of my adult life in law enforcement, my assessment in this case is the local authorities dropped the ball by not arresting this immediately. Not as a CYA measure, but out of common sense. This act just opened up all of the arm chair quarterbacks to get a toe hold in the situation. Now, all of the race baiting gangs are getting involved and are turning this whole situation into a quagmire of hate that the media in general will certainly support. Now, the thought police will jump in with the hate crime mess. Murder is murder regardless of the so called ‘hate’ process.

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    • tifosa
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:42am

      Sgt Dave Morgenstern, Sanford PD Spokesman: “If we arrest, we open ourselves to a lawsuit…”
      pure and simple.

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    • progressiveslayer
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:47am

      Exactly,the msm seems more concerned about the possible use of a racial epithet then the alleged murder.The msm agenda is obvious and consistent and aligns with the two poverty pimps Sharpton and Jackson,to fan the flames of racism and hopefully instigate a riot.These ‘hate crime’ laws and gun free zones and drug free zones are all BS,redundant laws that aren’t necessary.

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    • cmonnow
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 11:01pm

      TIFOSA – Lawsuit is a weak, lame, cop-out excuse. The only way Zimmerman would have a valid claim to such a lawsuit would be

      Progressiveslayer – no, the comment just fuels the fire. It isn’t the main concern. The main concern is that if people wouldn’t have raised their voices, the “squeeky clean” killer would have been let go and his actions unquestioned. Despite Zimmerman’s history of violence and inappropriate behavior, the Sheriffs Office seems to have covered for him, or at least done a terrible investigation.

      But hate crimes can be committed against anybody – not just minorities. And you are for drugs in school zones? You are more progressive than you lead on !!!

      RJJinGadsden – yes – unfortunately these law enforcement officials could not think past their own biases.

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  • jackact
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:02am

    The crime was in the shooting, not the name calling.
    Until government understands that our independent thought cannot be legislated “we the people” will continue to use words of our own choice.

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    • Lumbar Spine
      Posted on March 21, 2012 at 8:55am

      However, because of the so-called “stand your ground” defense, the shooter’s state of mind is relevant…and his words are evidence of his state of mind. Was George Zimmerman thrust into a situation in which he was forced to defend himself…or was he the pursuer, motivated in part by animosity, who instigated the confrontation?

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  • CryptoCop
    Posted on March 21, 2012 at 7:55am

    Already heard it, he didn’t say “coons”, he said “punks”. An audio expert has already confirmed it. More media and “activist” hype and spin. Everybody needs to slow down, cool down and let the law handle business.

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