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Could New Cardinal Timothy Dolan Become the First American Pope?

Will Cardinal Timothy Dolan become the Next Pope?

Pope Benedict XVI giving Cardinal Timothy Dolan his biretta hat during his elevation inside St. Peter's Basilica (AP)

Will American Cardinal Timothy Dolan become the first American pope? This is a question that found its way into observers’ minds of late, as the Archbishop of New York, along with 21 of his fellow Catholic leaders, was elevated to cardinal in Rome on Saturday.

As The Blaze mentioned over the weekend, some Italian and American media outlets have been wondering if Dolan has, due to his charismatic nature and appealing qualities, a chance at becoming the church’s top clergy member.

“Dolan is already being touted by some Vatican experts as a possible future candidate to become the first American pope,” reported MSNBC over the weekend. And and Sunday, ABC News produced a video report exploring this very same subject:

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As we noted in our previous report, Americans are traditionally not considered papal contenders. After all, the U.S. dominates in so many other areas that internationally, the notion of a “Super Power Pope” is generally frowned upon.

But it seems Pope Benedict, among other leaders, has taken a special liking to Dolan. The Huffington Post provides some background about New York’s Catholic leader and his appeal:

Dolan, ordained as a parish priest in St. Louis in 1976, held several academic positions at Catholic universities before becoming the auxiliary bishop of St. Louis in 2001. A little over a year later, he was appointed the Archbishop of Milwaukee. In 2009, he became the archbishop of New York and was elected to lead the bishops’ conference in 2010. As head of New York’s church, he oversees Catholic life in Manhattan, the Bronx, Staten Island and many of the city’s suburbs.

Dolan’s elevation will give New York two living cardinals who can vote for a new pope, a rarity in the Catholic church. The other is Cardinal Edward Egan, the former archbishop of New York, who was elevated in February of 2001. Egan turns 80 in April. The move by the pope to promote Dolan while his predecessor remains of voting age is a break with tradition, which church observers say shows how much the pope favors New York’s Catholic leader.

Will Cardinal Timothy Dolan become the Next Pope?

Dolan, himself, is aware that there is some papal buzz over his potential future consideration (although ABC News calls it “a long shot”). When asked about the issue on Saturday, he said, “Io non parlo inglese,“ which translates to ”I don’t speak English.” Clearly, he’s not interested in commenting on the matter — but that hasn’t stopped people from chattering about it.

Considering that there’s no telling how long it will be until the next pope is sought out, taking such a humble stance is probably best. While the odds are stacked against Dolan, there’s no telling what the future could hold.

Comments (68)

  • mjmorawski
    Posted on February 22, 2012 at 12:58am

    After reading many of the comments here I felt it necessary to share with all of you a wonderful resource for learning the truth about the Catholic faith. It’s super easy to remember too:

    http://www.catholic.com

    They also have a call-in show and a podcast you can download in iTunes. There is also a forum you can search like Google for common questions. Instead of spreading rumors and falsehoods, seek the truth. Two of the Ten Commandments say, “Thou shall not lie,“ and ”You shall not testify falsely against your neighbor.” Before you condemn the Catholic Church, learn the truth.

    “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
    ― Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

    O my Jesus
    Forgive us ours sins,
    save us from the fires of Hell,
    lead all souls to Heaven,
    especially those most in need of thy mercy.
    Amen.

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  • Concerned Green Beret
    Posted on February 21, 2012 at 4:12am

    I don’t know much about this Dolan other than him standing up to BO on the birth control issue. However, I would say this, the vatican better vet this guy like no other Pope candidate in history. You can be assured one of the supreme goals of the commie is to get a commie in as Pope. And where better to find that guy but in the commie infiltrated American Catholic Church. TROJAN HORSE?? Unless the Vatican is absolutely sure about Dolan I would pass on this guy.

    Pope John Paul went to great lengths to ensure the Cardinal pool was jammed packed with Conservatives. Vatican, if you can hear me now, BE VERY CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!

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  • tiredofprogressives
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:30pm

    The entire Roman Catholic “faith” is heretical. They are one step below Islam. Read history Morons.

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  • RealCowboy
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:40pm

    Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana Will be the next pope,He will allso be the false prophet,Im sure of it.

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    • RealCowboy
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:46pm

      He will call Himself Peter the Roman,thus being the last pope.

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  • LolaB
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 3:20pm

    CATHOLICISM IS THE TRUE FAITH!!!!!!!!!!! If some of you would just stop hating and search for the truth and believe in the truth and follow the truth…you will be enlightened!!!!!

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 5:55pm

      Catholicism contradicts the Bible….Obey Acts 2:38..It’s what Peter would still preach today, just as he did on Pentecost.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 6:52pm

      And all this time I was “looking unto Jesus, the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our FAITH, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. “ (Hebrews 12:2)

      The problem here is the OBJECT of your faith. IF your faith is in Catholicism (& NOT in Jesus Christ & His finished work on the Cross – the atonement for your sin problem) then your faith is in vain. It (your faith) will lead you to death. Salvation does not come thru the Church – salvation comes through the Cross & is by Grace (God’s unmerited gift to repentant sinners) through Faith (who’s object is in Christ & His finished work) & not by “good” deeds (no man will boast before God of his works). Ephesians 2:8-9, Numbers 21:6-9, & John 3:14-21.

      If pointing out error w/ the truth of the Word of God is hate, then I stand in company w/ Jesus Himself who said:

      “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, ‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: “I know your works, … BUT I HAVE A FEW THINGS AGAINST YOU, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality. Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, WHICH THING I HATE. Repent… (Revelation 2:12-16)

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  • Clare Clare
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 2:37pm

    There’s an old Roman saying: “He who goes into the conclave as Pope, comes out a Cardinal.”

    In other words, the ones who are most highly touted to be elected the next Pope, aren’t. The Holy Spirit makes the ultimate decision, not a bunch of media pundits!

    Whoever expected an obscure Cardinal from Poland to be chosen in 1978?! And the rest is history…

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    • woemcat
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 7:56pm

      the holy spirit has nothing to do w/ how the pope is “elected.” it’s a bunch of guys who dress funny in a room.

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 10:45pm

      @Woemat

      and that is a matter of opinion and faith….Catholics have believed since the time of the establishment of the Roman Catholic Church..about 340 A.D by the way…that the Pope was ordained by the Holy
      Spirit and the will of God revieled through the Council of Cardinals.
      the Catholic Church traces the lineage of the Papacy back to the Apostle Peter, whom Jesus stated would be the rock He built His church on….
      now, you can have the opinion that your faith is correct in however they choose a chief theologian, if you faith even has one…or you can have any other opinion you like…but it is a matter of faith….but you can‘t spout off that Jesus didn’t annoint Simon Peter as the head of His church on Earth.. and even the early Disciples argued this point…James, Peter, and John constantly struggled with who was in charge..and it wasn’t really until Saul/Paul showed up that Peter seized the reigns Jesus annointed him with and started LEADING the Church.
      since that annointing is spelled out for us in the Bible…the Roman Catholic Church believes, as a matter of faith, that the Holy Spirit will continue to annoint who should lead the Church…the will of the Holy Spirit…and thus God…is announced through the Council of Cardinals…
      but again…you don’t have to believe that…but don’t bash Catholics for their faith in what they believe to be truth…

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:49am

      @VRW Conspirator

      W/ all due respect, I am not bashing Catholics – I grew up Catholic, ½ of my family is Catholic, I love Catholics & I know something of Catholicism. You are strong in your “faith” toward the Catholic church & its history. I find that a lot among Catholics – strong in Catholic history & the catechism & the “church” dogmas.

      But I also find most Catholics to be weak in their knowledge of scripture, which generally translates to a weak faith in what matters – Salvation by grace through faith in Yeshua & His redemptive work (not the church, not Peter, or any of the Apostles, church fathers, or whatever extra-biblical insert here ceremony or piece of trivia).

      It breaks my heart to see so many that I love putting their trust in a church, in their Catholicism – in their works, rather than Jesus Christ who alone can save for there is NO other name under heaven by which men are saved (Acts 4:12) & I’m convinced it’s because they know more about Catholic history than they do about the Word of God – & that’s a shame.

      Call it bashing if you like, I am not going to stop telling you all the truth because the LORD would have me do no less & because I love you & wish you to be set free from the bondage of religion and a faith w/o the proper object. So you know I do not say that Catholics cannot be saved. However if you are trusting in Catholicism or works, rather than Christ, then I suspect you’ll be surprised on Judgement day.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 21, 2012 at 12:57am

      @VRW Conspirator (cont.)

      And w/ all due respect, Paul, not Peter was the Apostle to Rome – so if a vicar was called for by Christ (I’m still waiting for scriptural reference to substantiate that claim) he would be your first Pope.

      More importantly (& respectfully), Christ did NOT say Peter would be the rock on which He built His Church (whose Church is it?). Matthew 16:18 is a pun – (see post just below) –

      “And I also say to you that you are Petros [piece of rock, little stone – translated as Peter in English] and on THIS [not you] Petra [mass of rock, boulder] I [Christ – not petros] will build My Church.

      Don’t get me wrong, I love Peter – probably the Apostle I identify w/ most (because I share many of the same character flaws – though I share none of his works under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit). But Peter would not, did not, could not die for your sins.

      If you would simply study scripture w/ the same zealousness which you study Catholic history & doctrine, you would see that for yourself. May God impart to you the grace He showed me & open your eyes.

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  • PrayNC
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 1:57pm

    Where in the Bible does it say.. the Bible is the Only rule of faith…. it doesn’t.. Christ gave the Keys to The Kingdom of Heaven to Saint Peter…”What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and what you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” To no one else did Christ say these words to. Saint Peter to the current Pope! The One Flock and One Shepherd that Christ Guaranteed “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 2:30pm

      Matthew 16:13-20:

      [Jesus] asked His disciples, saying, “WHO DO MEN SAY THAT I, THE SON OF MAN, AM?” {< Note: this is the focus of the passage}

      So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them, "But WHO DO YOU SAY THAT I AM?"

      Simon Peter {petros – piece of a rock} answered and said, "You are THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD."

      JESUS ANSWERED and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, FOR FLESH AND BLOOD HAS NOT REVEALED THIS TO YOU, BUT MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. And I ALSO SAY to you that you are Peter (PETROS) {piece of a rock}, and on this rock (PETRA) {mass of rock, boulder} I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

      [its word play, a pun. The Rock is the Rock of Faith – knowledge that Yeshua – Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Only begotten of the Father –knowledge which must be revealed by the Father incidentally].

      And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven {the Gospel, the knowledge of Jesus’ identity & purpose}, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

      Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ. <{strange thing to say if the focus here is Peter (piece of a rock) being the foundation of the Church & the substitute (vicar) of Christ on earth}

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 5:56pm

      Peter never claimed to be a Pope.

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  • alwayshappy
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 12:23pm

    As the Archbishop of New York, I wish Timothy Cardinal Dolan, the Lord’s blessings, guidance and prayers! Getting a ‘red hat’ only means more demands and more work! I hope he can hold up to the pressures, etc.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 12:53pm

      Hey, archbishop- maybe you should check out what’s going on in his church before you start wishing him the best. Unles, of course, you agree with him. Then it’s just another case of the church turning a blind eye toward the sins of its leaders.

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  • PrayNC
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:33am

    God does not change…the world, yes, and when the world gets farther and farther from God, we end up in a world like we have today…divorce…legalized abortion killing…homosexuality…contraception…drugs…immorality…violence…people filled with so much unhappiness…all this …because the world has tried to “do their own thing” and look where it ends up at…Return to God,..it is the Only way back to sanity and the restoration of the family and society.

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    • teamarcheson
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:44am

      Most American Catholics Fear An American As Pope

      The Catholic Church in America is filled with herisey and homosexuals. It is predominantly responsible for the demise of World Wide Catholicism.

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    • Wolf
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 12:41pm

      Team: if this Dolan gets in as Pope, the whole world will tremble even more than it is today. Check out the website of his dioces- especially the links- if you want to see a neo-con, antiChrist facility. It’s worse than the White House. sfxavier.org/wordpress

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  • PrayNC
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:26am

    The American cardinal best to fill the Pope’s shoes is ” Raymond Cardinal Burke!!” Anyone who hasn’t yet realizied that Christ birthed Only ONE Church while on earth and that is the Catholic Church…from Saint Peter on, need to do their homework, and with an ‘open mind’…Catholics can trace from Peter to this current Pope. No other religion/church can say the same. All other religions are MAN-MADE! Study! Read the Church Fathers from. St. Ireneus, St Polycarp (knew St. John the Evangelist) St. Jerome, St Ignatius of Antioch, St. Cyril of Jerusalem..etc… Read their writings…They were from the early first centuries, and hear what they had to say about the One, True Church! This is why Christ guaranteed that “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”…Christ knew those of whom would try to destroy His church, but Catholic Christians (only Catholic Christians) have His word that His church that He birthed while on earth will Never prevail against the evil (ones) who have always and continue to try to destroy it. Can’t happen.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 12:43pm

      PrayNC

      Or one could read the Bible (also called the Word of God by the early church fathers) & realize that there is ONE mediator between God & man – Christ Jesus (1st Timothy 2:5), who is A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK. (Hebrews 7:21; Psalm 110:4).

      Peter, who Paul clearly states (read Galatians 2) & scripture clearly maintains (e.g. 1 Peter 1:1 “an Apostle to the diaspora…,) was the Apostle to the Jews & was never called by Christ to be a vicar (substitute) of Christ. Please provide a scriptural reference. If you’re looking for a substitute Christ perhaps you should read 1st&2nd John where he addresses the matter.

      Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles (including Rome –he alone of the Apostles had Roman citizenship — where he appeared before Caesar)

      Gabriel in visiting Mary clearly stated that Christ would rule from David’s throne [Luke 1:32]. For sake of argument, let’s say that the Pope was really intended by Christ to be His substitute on earth while He, Jesus, simply does nothing at the right hand of The Father [cuz His office of High Priest is not necessary because we’ve got it handled down here] .

      My question is this, if Peter were the first vicar (Christ substitute), then why isn’t the seat of the Pope in Jerusalem – where David’s throne clearly is? Or if Christ really meant the Pope to be a gentile representative on a Roman seat, then why wasn’t the first pope not Paul who was the Apostle to Rome

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    • PrayNC
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 12:59pm

      Luke21…How was the word of God spread throughout the corners of the earth, when there was NO Bible for 1500 AFTER Christ walked the earth? Before the invention of the printing press? Christ never told his Apostles to sit down and write a book..only in Revelation/St John, is he instructed. As MArtin Luther said “We owe the papists (CAtholics) for the bible. Luke21… who started your offshoot religion? Martin Luther? Mary Baker Eddy? John and Charles Wesley? Joseph Smith? Charles Taze Russell? John Knox? Joseph Smith Jr? who?

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    • Wolf
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 1:01pm

      @PrayNC- ROFLMBO at “…that Christ birthed Only ONE Church while on earth and that is the Catholic Church…from Saint Peter on…”
      Show me in the Bible where Christ birthed the catholic church, from ANYone, let alone Peter. While you’re at it, show me in the Scriptures where it says Mary can pray for sinners now or any time in their life or death.
      Or where praying to saints is going to alleviate one’s sins?
      Don’t get me wrong: if people want to attend catholic masses, it’s cool. But don‘t go preaching that Jesus commissioned the ’catholic church’, because no where does Scripture bear this out.

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 1:15pm

      Friend, you avoid my questions! Is it because you cannot answer to satisfaction? Answer mine & I’ll answer yours. However I will address the second (i.e.):

      ” who started your offshoot religion? Martin Luther? Mary Baker Eddy? John and Charles Wesley? Joseph Smith? Charles Taze Russell? John Knox? Joseph Smith Jr? who?”

      Jesus Christ – Yeshua The Messiah, the Only begotten Son of the Most High God. My Lord & My God. The Word of God & Creator (John 1).

      Though it is a relationship, NOT a religion – for biblical religion is this: “Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world”. (James 1:27)

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 1:51pm

      Awfully quiet PrayNC. Sorry if I burst your bubble – just know I’m commanded to do so for your sake, so that the truth will set you free. So in Christian Charity (agape) I’ll answer your other question:

      Luke21…How was the word of God spread throughout the corners of the earth, when there was NO Bible for 1500 AFTER Christ walked the earth? Before the invention of the printing press?

      Totally disagree. Christ in Luke 24 tells the two on the road to Emmaus “beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself”. (Luke 24:27). Clearly the existing scripture (what you would call the Old Testament) contains all the necessary information regarding Christ’s identity & purpose.

      Paul who taught the New Testament out of the Old Testament commended the Bereans (Acts 17:11) for searching the scripture daily to test that what he told them was true. Clearly the Bereans had access to the Word of God.

      Furthermore all of the New Testament cannon was written before the close of the first century. Saying the bible didn’t exist until 1500 yrs after Christ is nonsense.

      Just because there were no printing presses doesn’t mean the Word of God didn’t exist. The printing press simply made possible the distribution of the Word of God to the masses at a price that even the poor could afford. Yet the word of God was around long before (that’s what scribes were for).

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 1:55pm

      @praync cont.

      Don’t forget, it was the printing press that largely made possible the reformation – no longer were men prohibited from reading God’s word in Latin (which was not the original language of the manuscripts), they could read it in their own tongue.

      God bless you & I still welcome a response to my first questions:

      Please provide a scriptural reference where Christ or any of the Apostles states that Peter (or anyone) was to be a vicar (substitute) of Christ on earth. & If Peter, Apostle to Jews, were the first vicar (Christ substitute), then why isn’t the seat of the Pope in Jerusalem – where David’s throne clearly is? Or if Christ really meant the Pope to be a gentile representative on a Roman seat, then why wasn’t the first pope not Paul who was the Apostle to Rome?

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    • bloomytoad
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 2:22pm

      Both the Eastern Orthodox and Anglican churches can trace their Apostolic Succession back to the original 12 apostles.

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:00pm

      @PrayNC…please stop
      and to the rest of you…even more of the same..your Catholic bashing is directly against God and Christ Jesus…

      PrayNC…take a cue for the late Holy Father Pope John Paul II who spent the last half of his time as Pope trying to UNITE the different faiths not seperate them further. Look at his funeral, who spoke, who had seats of honor…the heads of the Greek Orthodox, Eastern/Russian Orthodox, Methodist, and Anglican churches.
      it was John Paul’s finest wish that the Body of Christ would be UNITED once again and if certain sects wished to allow divorce or pastors to marry, so be it…but the Ties that Bind would be stronger than the pieces the divide….after all..even the Catholic Church allowed priests to marry up until 1400′s where corruption between Church and State caused the Pope then to outlaw the practice.. to SAVE the Church and the Faith

      and the rest of you SHOULD thank the Catholic Church..ESPECIALLY the Irish Catholic Church for saving Western Civilization, its literature, art, and history, and even the early writings of the church fathers and some of the oldest pieces of the Old and New Testaments….otherwise Martin Luther (a Catholic Priest) would have had nothing to preach about or with…

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    • Wolf
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:13pm

      VRWConspirator- you should also thank the catholic church for the United States, since it was that church that drove the earlier pilgrims and settlers to this country.

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:43pm

      Wolf…
      actually…the “pilgrims” came by way of Holland from England…and they were running from the Anglican Church because they were Puritans….and being rounded up and imprisoned for speaking out against the Church of England and its ties to the Monarchy and Parliment….
      if you look at the original settlements in America…quite a few of them were Roman Catholics that were fleeing other nations in Europe due to persecution brought on by the Protestant Reformation – Maryland for example….even the Quakers in Pennsylvania…

      over half the original colonies started out as havens for a specific denomination of Christianity…most looking for a place to practice in freedom away from a national established Church…in the early 1600′s…most of the places they were running from were ran by Protestants…not Catholics…

      Spain, Portugal, and Italy were the only Catholic dominated nations at that time…France had already began to secularize…and those three European nations were busy with travels to Asia or Central and South America…not the east coast of North America…

      sorry Wolf…a simple internet search of the “religion of the 13 original colonies” will tell you that information…
      so again…stop demonizing the Catholic Church was your opinions of it…and don’t even attempt to bring up the sex scandals…until you check percentages of other denominations with the same issue.. oh..BTW..those numbers show nearly even across ALL denominations and fa

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  • TOPOFTHEGAME
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:23am

    Again, I will say Cardinal Dolan will not be the next Pope. I will be Cardinal Peter A Turkson of Ghana. And will be called Peter The Roman. Oh! by the way also the LAST Pope of the Catholic Church

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 5:58pm

      And as the prophecy goes,,The city on seven hills will be destroyed..Rome is Mystery Babylon, the Harlot false church.

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    • RestoreFederalism
      Posted on February 21, 2012 at 7:10pm

      What are you idiots talking about?

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  • Shnabber
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:21am

    christianity is dooming, churches are closing their doors , churches on sundays are empty, americans them selves condemn the corruption inside churches and condemn its past in the middle ages, minds say if word of god is one why christians have more than one gospel and more than one god , human mentality asks why 3=1 in contradicting with the language of mathematics which says 3=1+1+1 ,, why the contradictions between the different versions of the gospel , why and why .

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    • Luke21
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 1:07pm

      What contradictions would you be referring to friend?

      As for the doctrine of the Trinity, you are asking for the finite to understand & fully describe to the finite, the infinite. All I can do is tell you that God (Theos) is spoken of as being ONE (a unity) yet in a plurality, through the persons of The Father, The Son, & The Holy Spirit.

      Scripture teaches that all are God, yet One. It also teaches that there is a hierarchy (Jesus said “My Father and I are One” and “my Father is greater than I” – e.g. John chapter 10:30 & 14:28). God is ONE in purpose, thought, in deed – to do the Will of the Father. The Son is God – He’s the same nature of His Father (as you are of yours). Your father is/was man, & you are man.

      To say that any man fully understands the nature of God is a misnomer. How can the finite fully understand the Infinite. How can the clay fully understand the potter? We understand that which our finite minds can based on what He has chosen to reveal to us through His prophets and His Son & disciples through the Word of God.

      May the Lord reward your honest inquiry w/ His truth that leads to His saving grace.

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  • TOPOFTHEGAME
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:16am

    No, Timothy will not be the next Pope… The Malachy vision from the 14th century says:::: the next Pope will be Peter The Roman. The only person that fits that bill is………Peter A Turkson Cardinal from Ghana. Google him and see from his writings who will be the next Pope.

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    • the gray lensman
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:52pm

      Maybe…..However, you would be careful to note that Popes do not always take their titular name from their baptismal name. John Paul the First took his titular name from his immediate predecessors John the 23rd and Paul the 6th. John Paul the Second ( the Great) took his name from John Paul the First. Despite that difficulty, you do have the prophecies of St. Malachy in hand. Though it is to be pointed out that there is some controversy over whether De Gloria Olive or Petrus Romanus is the last Pope. Some say that the prophecies are not genuine. Time will tell, won’t it?

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:29pm

      if you really believe in the prophecies being true and interpreted accurately…seeing as i don’t think they have been published word for word in the original language so you can translate them yourself… then you have to also believe in the two prophecies given to John Paul II…one by Mother Theresa and the other by the last surviving child from Lourdes which both John Paul was sworn to not even read until after the death of the lady that gave it to him…which foretold his death..and the events that would lead to the second coming of Christ….
      but again…neither of those have been published in their entirity and original languages….in fact, I haven‘t heard ANY word about either of them since John Paul’s death, Mother Theresa’s, or the child (well very old woman) of Lourdes….

      but yes…you also have to remember that Popes rarely take their own name as Pope and nearly always honor a past Pope or Theologian or Church Father with their Papal Name. that being said, when John Paul II died, there was strong talk about the next Pope being from Africa..Ethiopian or Kenyian, since the Catholic church is exploding in that part of the world….

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  • scherzophrenic
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:33am

    Our churches are all corrupt. All have turned aside from the gospel. The Catholic Church in America is a liberal nightmare. Standing up against abortion is the only thing they seem to get. If anyone could be pope, it ain’t Dolan. Robert Barron would be a better pope…if I were a papist. Right now, seeing the groveling dhimmitude of the Roman faith as it quails in the face of The Religion of Everlasting Hate, I am not hopeful. If God’s church is to prevail against the machinations of Satan, we aren’t seeing it in the current leadership, which is all too eager to surrender their convictions.
    Lord, wake us up!

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    • WIjoyzie
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 10:40am

      You obviously never met or know Cardinal Dolan. I’ll pray for your misguided soul.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:32am

    Here we go again. The Catholic bashers crawl out of the woodwork. Ignorance knows no bounds. No matter what anyone says in defence of the Catholic church, the bashers continue. Please read some accurate and intelligent books by Scott Hahn on the church and find out what Catholics really believe and why. It just might help your hatred to be set aside and true understanding to unfold.

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    • Terry1242
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:28am

      I so agree! Also, watching the excellent Catholicism series done by Fr.Barron (catholicismseries.com) or reading wordonfire.org are helpful. Parts of the series are on You Tube. As a lifelong Catholic, I am learning so much through these. I agree that what is so irritating about the endless Left and Right attacks on Catholicism is that they are based on ignorance.

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  • Bill813
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:28am

    This may be wishful thinking, but it won’t happen. The Catholic church is universal, and there are those that believe the Americans already have too much power in the world to ever elect an American as Pope.

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  • TAXEVERYONE
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:24am

    Wonder if the Catholics have learned their lesson?
    We’ll find out in November.
    Obama Dolan 2012

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  • LiveforFreedom
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:01am

    He has my vote, Cardinal Tim is one of the best repsentatives of Christ on this Planet!

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    • scherzophrenic
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:29am

      Really? He presided over one of the most atrocious examples of Lesbian, pagan wiccan worship at St. Xavier’s, and is down with homosexuality in the church. Kumbafrickinya. Here’s a link. Watch it and weep. Have we completely done away with sin? Why would Christ come in the first place? To die for us sinners? Why bother….it’s all good. Tolerance is the new god.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQEmO07DpaI&feature=player_embedded

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    • Gr8ful1jim
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:50am

      @SCHERZO, Good link. The Catholic Church does openly welcome homosexuals. It does not however allow them to be married or live in an unchaste relationship. They are bound by the same laws as are single men and women. You have given the people an open invitation to see why Cardinal Dolan is so loved. The Catholic Church Is the true Church of Jesus Christ, and Cardinal Dolan is a great messenger of THE WORD.

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    • iampraying4u
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 10:41am

      the roman catholic church is the best man made religion in the world

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    • jcons114
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 7:23pm

      @scherzo….Cardinal Dolan was not responsible for that. The Jesuit Provincal was. Jesuits fell off the deep end loooong ago when it comes to, as you say “kumbafrickinya”. Read Dolan’s book “Priests for the Third Millenium”, under the chapter titled Chastity he firmly asserts that homosexuality is wrong. I agree, with gr8tful1jim, we welcome them in, but we do NOT condone their behavior.

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  • ConservativeHippie
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:37am

    Misguided voters are the reason we have the president we have right now. No matter their faith.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:51am

      Roger that Hippie.

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    • one-icon
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:07am

      The papalcy is the Beast power spoken on in Revelation. This used to be common knowledge but has been lost through the generations. They are responsible for killing over 50 million Christians throughout the dark ages, changing the 10 commandments, and elevating themselves with equal authority as God. Don’t be deceived, ‘come out now from among them!!’

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    • VRW Conspirator
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 11:53pm

      @One-Icon..

      Wow..really…can you site anything other than some Catholic bashing hate filled religious bigotry website as your source…???
      John Wesley..you know him right…modern father of the Protestant movement…whom most Evangelical and non denomination churches in America use as their chief scholar, theologian, and interpretor of the Bible… that John Wesley.. He LOVED the Catholic Church, saw nothing wrong with it or them, even though he admitted he disagreed with some of their practices and dogma but NOT their teaching on the Bible…and frequently REBUKED those that attended his events and questioned him on the “whore of Babylon” being the Catholic Church…..YEAH…doesn’t fit your little narrative does it…though so..

      about the only denominations that I know of today that still preach HATRED and BIGOTY from the pulpit against the Catholic Church is the Calvary Chapel system (go into their bookstore sometime – they have entire walls about Catholics and catholism being a cult and false religion) and small town churches left over from the Protestant Revival movement in America from the 20‘s and 30’s.

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  • BOMUSTGO
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:30am

    Will he change his name to “Peter the Roman?”

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    • mr molotov cocktail
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:33am

      you know it ~

      everything is god ordained 113 popes~ it is all coming together

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:34am

      The next one is the last one.

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    • BOMUSTGO
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:41am

      And the city that sits on the seven hills will be destroyed.

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  • piper60
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:28am

    Twists and turns. Just like political intrigue. I’m pulling for Cardinal Dolan.

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  • TAXEVERYONE
    Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:19am

    That’s all we need.
    Catholics are the reason we have this disgrace in the White House.

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    • theninthplanet
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:27am

      Your bigotry knows no bounds.

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    • Gr8ful1jim
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:40am

      The reason we are living out this nightmare in Washington is the Republican parties inability to give us a viable candidate to vote for. The Catholics aren’t going to be on board in 2012 due to the administrations current war on the Church. (capital C because the Catholic Church is the one true Church instituted by Jesus Christ) Again in 2012, the MSM has made it so no viable Republican will be on the ballot again. So, get ready for 4 more years of “Hope and Change”.

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    • G man
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 8:41am

      That’s not bigotry. That’s fact…54% voted for the Bamster. The chicken’s are coming home…as they say.

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    • Concernd4USA
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:05am

      @gr8fuljim The Catholic church is satan’s version of a christian church which is a rehashed Babylonian system, and is a breeding ground for the other perverted doctrines because the catholic church breaks every command given from God. This is why Mormons, Jehovah’s witnesses and such target catholics. They do not know the Bible and if they did they would leave the catholic church like I did.
      Lets look at the 10 commandments and where they stand.
      No other Gods top 3 prayers Hail Mary, Rosary, Our father 2 of 3 are not to God add saints and you get even worse odds.
      No graven images reality in Catholicism statues in every corner including statues of demons on the steeples, to keep out demons of course in case God or his angles miss one.
      No killing, missed the mark on that one 60 million times and counting like satan’s version of Mcdonalds
      No stealing plundered whole cities including the 60 mil. Stole from Christians and Jews
      Adultry not too bad on this one unless you count alter boys and priests, but don’t let those priests get married.

      Apostolic succession is a trick used to get Europeans to submit to church authority, that is why they kept people as illiterate as possible, and killed any one trying to translate the Bible out of Latin. This system is so evil Jesus tells people to get out of it. Rev 17 and 18. The church of Rome joins with the Anti Christ.
      Beck should know better than to join this organization which is pure evil, not the people but the system i

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:07am

      I see both sides. Yes, the Catholics played a part, specifically, North East Catholics, as they outnumber all of the other faiths in the region, but it’s difficult to pin it solely on them.

      That’s just simple numbers, folks. Afterall, if 54% of the 100 Catholics (if there are that many to be found) in Salt Lake City voted for Obama, would that have been a molecule in the drop in the ocean?

      The other side of it is this: How many Catholics voted for Obama not because they’re Catholics, but because they’re North Easterners and much more likely to be infected with the disease that is a Left-leaning mind?

      That‘s where you can’t pin it solely on them. A lot of people got hoodwinked by said disgrace and a lot more likely did exactly what Samuel L. Jackson admitted to doing- voting for him because of him being the first candidate with the right amount of melanin to the first black President. Some would call me racist for saying it. I call them racist not for saying it but for voting for him for that reason. Difference is, at least Samuel L. and I say it.

      We need a “bold colors” Reagan-like Conservative to help snap these people out of the Left-leaning mess they’re in; someone who doesn’t walk around touting Centrism and Progressivism, who doesn’t idolize all of the biggest Progressive Presidents in history, and who speaks his mind despite what the Establishment would have him say.

      Ladies and Gents, I give you Rick Santorum.

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    • Gr8ful1jim
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 9:21am

      @CONCERNED4USA, Don’t you get tired of using the same old baseless arguments against the One True Church. The Catholic Church. Your assertions have been addressed ad nauseum and quite frankly are laughable at best. The Catholic Church is and has been the One True Church of Jesus Christ. If you left the Church, it is because you could not follow all the doctrines that must be followed. You are fooling yourself and by spouting your drivel are incurring Mortal Sin on your soul. I pray for you.

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    • SoulReaver
      Posted on February 20, 2012 at 10:16am

      @gratefuljim What part is not true? point it out. I have read more of the Bible than most catholic congregations and I follow it. So if you mean am I willing to plunder and kill you are correct i will not. This one true church is a Joke that was dismissed once people could read the Bible for themselves, That is why the Catholic church worked so hard at keeping people illiterate. Revelation has 7 churches which one was catholic? Again Apostolic succession is a bad joke on Catholics. If you can read turn to revelation argue with it or. Question why your church does not follow the book it claims to follow. I did and the answers were idiotic.
      Q Why pray to Mary A What if Jesus is busy?
      Q Where does it say that Mary is born Without sin(Imaculate Conception)? A That is church tradition.
      Q where does it say that Mary or the saints can intercede? A That is church tradition as well
      Q Is the Bible the infallible word of God A yes
      Q Then why do you follow tradition over the Bible A ummmmmm church tradition
      60 million killed millions more tortured and plundered
      1 corrupt organization all you need to know Christian or Catholic your choice.

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