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Could Your Shotgun Soon be Outlawed? Maybe, If the ATF Has Its Way
- Posted on April 18, 2011 at 5:56pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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What’s the definition of a “shotgun?” According to Dictionary.com it’s “a smoothbore gun for firing small shot to kill birds and small quadrupeds, though often used with buckshot to kill larger animals.” For the gun enthusiasts, that’s only partly true, as there is also the option of using slugs. But what if there’s another addition that will soon be added to the definition? How about, illegal.
In a series of fascinating, and eerie, posts over at the blog Beregond’s Bar (and linked on Redstate.com), author “Tom” pens a four-part series on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and their new campaign to change the definition of the term “shotgun.” A change, based on a recent study,* that could soon make some of them illegal. But as Tom points out, the implications for all guns are chilling.
Below are excerpts from the series. Click on the appropriate link to read more.
Part 1, which focuses on changing the term “sporting use” in order to ban certain shotguns:
The Obama administration is seeking once again to do via regulation what they would never be able to do via legislation. This time shotguns are in the crosshairs, specifically certain popular imported weapons.
[...]
Sporting use is one of the three main thrusts of gun control efforts in America. The other two are racism and those who openly advocate complete bans except for military and police. (The complete ban advocates often hide under cover of sporting use, but that and the racist history of gun control are topics for another day.
Sporting use was how the original distinction was made about what weapons would be subject to a special tax in the National Firearms Act (NFA) in 1934, and again in Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968. The congressional power to tax was used selectively to make ownership of weapons the government didn’t like burdensome and expensive. This was gun control via the back door, as even the ATF admits. As would become the pattern, politicians found that actually dealing with crime and criminals was difficult and expensive. Blaming guns and passing a law to look like they were doing something about it was much simpler.
Part 2, which notes that the administration and the ATF’s definition of “sporting use” includes a list of things that cannot apply to such use. Things that are common in hunting and self-defense:
In this case the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) is seeking to master the definition of the term “sporting use” to “traditional” sports, things similar to what might have been found in 1934 when the Treasury Department first began regulating firearms. The ATF “Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns” (PDF) limits “sporting purpose.”
However, consistent with past court decisions and Congressional intent, the working group recognized hunting and other more generally recognized or formalized competitive events similar to the traditional shooting sports of trap, skeet, and clays.
In order to decide what shotguns fit the “sporting purpose” definition the study comes up with a list of characteristics that aren’t sporting. Nobody has yet taken to bayoneting deer or skeet as far as I know, so I’m not going to raise a big stink about bayonet lugs being on the list of features that aren’t particularly suited for sporting purposes. (Please stop shouting that the Constitution of the United States says nothing about “sporting purpose.” We’ll look at why the “sporting purpose” rule violates the constitution in Part 3.)
One major problem (aside from the constitution) is that many of the features the ATF study group settled on make a shotgun particularly useful for self defense, especially home defense. Here are the characteristics that the study has decided are unsuitable for sporting use:
(1) Folding, telescoping, or collapsible stocks;
(2) bayonet lugs;
(3) flash suppressors;
(4) magazines over 5 rounds, or a drum magazine;
(5) grenade-launcher mounts;
(6) integrated rail systems (other than on top of the receiver or barrel);
(7) light enhancing devices;
(8) excessive weight (greater than 10 pounds for 12 gauge or smaller);
(9) excessive bulk (greater than 3 inches in width and/or greater than 4 inches in depth);
(10) forward pistol grips or other protruding parts designed or used for gripping the shotgun with the shooter’s extended hand.
Some of these features, such as folding stocks and larger capacity magazines clearly are useful in sports if you include practical shooting sports.
Part 3, which looks at how “sporting use” stacks up to the Constitution and how it came into use:
But there is a far more basic objection that must be raised to this new attempt at regulatory gun ban- Nowhere in the constitution of the United States is there anything about a “sporting purpose.” The second amendment says:
Like all rights of Americans, the rights exist because you are a person. The Constitution is a contract we have with the central government to protect those rights against all enemies, foreign and domestic. One of the enumerated rights is the right to keep and bear arms. Nary a “sporting purpose” in sight in the entire document. So where did it come from?
And finally, Part 4, which shows that the ATF’s “sporting use” definition puts all guns, not just certain shotguns, at risk of being outlawed:
One factor that jumps out from the current ATF study is that it differs from the Clinton gun ban in a critical way. The Clinton ban looked at guns and said if it could accept a high capacity magazine and had any 2 other characteristics then it was banned. Thus you could have a magazine and a pistol grip, or a magazine and night sights, and still be legal. Few people missed having a bayonet lug, and grenade launchers and grenades had essentially been banned from civilian hands since the NFA became law in 1934. The current study says that any ONE item on a list, including a magazine that holds more than five rounds or a place to attach a flashlight so you can see the burglar in your home, and the gun is banned.
So the problem doesn’t end with shotguns. The current study refers to the conclusions drawn in prior ATF studies of rifles in 1989 and 1998, and handguns in 1968. It also draws on the NFA and the GCA (Gun Control Act of 1968) to justify the “sporting purpose” test, and the narrow interpretation that the ATF places on the test. The justifications are all linked together, like a knitted sweater. Pull on the piece of yarn called “imported shotguns” and you find when it’s unraveled enough that you’re tugging on the “domestic shotguns” yarn. Only now the “imported rifle” bit of yarn is hanging loose, just begging for someone to tug on it. Unravel that a bit and you reach “domestic rifles.” A similar bit of unraveling is likely to happen with the piece of yarn labelled “handgun.”
Each piece is well worth the time it takes to read it. Meanwhile, the ATF is taking comments on its study. Tom lets you know how here.
But here’s the catch: in order to let the ATF know what you think, you have to give it your mailing address.
Interesting.
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*According to Tom, the study “spends a lot of time showing that hunting, trap and skeet, and target shooting are sports, but plinking and practical shooting sports are not REALLY sports, and therefore guns that are particularly suitable for, or readily adaptable to those sports shouldn’t be allowed into the country.
UPDATE:
Jack Minor of the Greeley Gazette covered the ATF’s study, too. He puts in terms of “military”-style shotguns vs. others. But, he notes, according to the specifications used, “military” could apply to so many shotguns:
The ATF completed a study regarding the importability of certain shotguns. The basis for a possible ban is based on a loosely defined “Sporting Purpose” test. Using the vague definition almost all pump-action and semi-automatic shotguns could be banned as they are all capable of accepting a magazine, box or tube capable of holding more than 5 rounds. Other characteristics determined to be “military” by the ATF can also be used as a basis for a ban.
Ironically, many shotguns with “military” features are currently being used in shooting competitions held by the USPSA, IDPA and IPSC. The rules could also result in obscure regulations where an individual would be unsure if he is violating them or not.
Dudley Brown, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, said if the ATF succeeds with the banning of tactical shotguns it “will be the most dangerous interpretation of the 1968 Gun Control Act ever envisioned and will outlaw thousands of perfectly legitimate home defense shotguns.”
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Comments (787)
Buzzsaw
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:25pmThis is why most Americans simply need to ignore such Regulations. i do not recognize the ATF as an authority.
Report Post »NOTYERHUCKLEBERRY
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:29pmObama ignores the law, does that mean we can too?
Report Post »UlyssesP
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:48pmGonna ban guns? It won‘t be the first contraband I’d be forced to deal in because of progressive interference into my personal liberties.
Report Post »Come and ask me about it FEDS…as if you already didn’t know.
AMERICA4EVER
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:47amObama has ignored the supreme law of the land, the US Constitution.
Report Post »rafarn
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 8:35pmI would think they could be tried for treason against the USA.
Report Post »rafarn
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 9:12pmPassing laws or by executive order that go against the constitution would be grounds for treason even by a president or his Marxist friends. The people will have to step up and be counted though as sitting in their chair watching TV won’t cut it this time. It is time to repair the damage done by the progressives and their flunkies or they won’t have a TV much a chair. They sure messed up health care as all my doctors are retiring because their pay is dropping and they think it will get worse so we will see a shortage of Doctors soon and the rest of the problems start next year as they did not want them to kick in before the election. The country is in worse shape than it was 4 years ago and if reelected it will get worse as some experts say their will be rioting in the streets and then a civil war again. I sure hope not I figure the people won’t let that happen but I could be wrong. Guns are our protection against a rogue government they know this and want them taken away. This has nothing to do with sporting use or hunting just protection for a rogue government against the people they want to contain.
Report Post »MILiberty
Posted on June 25, 2012 at 11:32amThe ATF is the most cowardly group of facist enforcers in this country. I agree. They have no authority.
Report Post »ENIGMA28724
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 9:03pmAbsolutely agree with you. Does sporting use include shooting ATF agents who attempt to unconstuitionally relieve a citizen of a firearm they consider “non-sporting”? They should have much more important things to do, like running guns to Mexican drug cartels and going after real criminals. Problem is, real criminals do not like being bothered by the ATF, can, and will shoot them in a heartbeat. ATF’s job is much safer harassing citizens who likely will not resist. MOLON LABE
Report Post »Dunedainn
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:25pmYou just try it, BATF***K.
Report Post »psst
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:23pmThey came for my pistols. I said not a word
Report Post »They came for my rifles. I said not a word.
They came for my shotguns. I said not a word.
They came for my pellet guns. I said not a word.
They came for me. They told me. “Not a word from you”
Zim
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:21pmJust try to outlaw shotguns Obama,,,,,,just try. Talk about a revolt!!!
Report Post »zoose
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:15pmI have a Remington 870 with a pistol grip and that is handy when I’m hunting down a coyote snooping around the chicken coop. I don’t have a lamp on the 870, wear a head lamp (Energizer) and carry a 4 cell Maglight which is a real skull buster if used correctly.
They are not confiscating my 870. That gun is a tool on our ranch.
Report Post »We live 60 miles from nowhere and 6 feet from hell.
chrisad
Posted on June 26, 2012 at 4:24pmAs far as the Constitution goes, any weapon is legal. We must not, and CAN NOT, allow them to turn this into a game of “sporting purposes, military purposes, etc…”. The Constitution protects our right to keep and bear arms… period! It does so, more specifically, to allow us a way to destroy our own government if it becomes too tyranical to manage.
Report Post »CobraBill
Posted on July 5, 2012 at 1:47amHow can you hunt coons at night without a flashlight on your gun?
Report Post »Hope and change. I sure hope there is change this November.
fixer
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:20pmThey can have my weapons when they pry them out of my cold,stiff fingers.
Report Post »NOTYERHUCKLEBERRY
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:19pmAll one has to say is that shotguns are good for the sport of shooting varmints, no matter how many legs they have.
Report Post »WHITE LOTUS2x
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:51pmNOTYERHUCKLEBERRY……..The worst varments only have two legs.
Report Post »neiman1
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:18pmThis is always their goal. This is why ATF told gun store to sell to suspected cartel members. They want new restriction on guns. They will let hundreds of Mexicans be murdered and our own Border Patrol to be killed, all so they can clamp down on guns.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:11amBingo! I was wondering when I’d run onto a post to remind us of this. Good job! As soon as I started reading the stories about the ATF approved straw sells, my BS alarm rang loud and clear. Isn’t it nice to see your govt. engaged in a set up. This is why I know truthers are idiots along with most of govt.; the ATF and govt. reps. couldn’t even pull this off with out “shooting” themselves in the foot. These morons can’t even keep their facts straight on U.S. guns in Mexican hands (Hillary Clinton’s 90 some percent claim was easily and soundly debunked) and they can’t even orchestrate a proper set up. Sure… the govt. was behind 9/11… and I still believe in Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny. Ya see, they were the govt. employees who planted and detonated the explosives that REALLY did all the damage, along with activating the mind control ray that convinced us morons a handful of homicidal Muslims were able to shock most passengers into submission. When has a Muslim EVER been violent. But I digress. If I can’t have a gun to protect myself, can I at least have a Muslim?
Report Post »Marylou7
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:18pmThe second amendment is not for squirrel hunting but for protecting our homes, property and lives from the government. What is so difficult about that to grasp for the progressives.
Report Post »Gladius
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:46pmThere is nothing difficult to understand marylou7. They just want to use it to harrass gun owners and give Obama cover so he can try to say he had nothing to do with it while still playing to the antigunners. They are not as smart as they think b/c this will not work but it will galvanize his opposition. I am going to say it again…anybody but Obama in 2012
Report Post »PrfctlyFrank
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:56pmBecause progs love government!! They love it, they worship it, they depend on it, and they suck off the confiscated wealth of others to support themselves and it.. That is why..
Report Post »stormcrow53
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:48am@MaryLou7: The Progs are the party of the UN. They want us UNaware, UNarmed and UNable to resist.
Report Post »projectvxn
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:16pmIf they wanna raise a stink about my firearms we’re going to have some serious problems in this country really quick.
I would not trust the ATF to do anything legitimate. Especially after their little gun walking fiasco.
Report Post »WOLFENII
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:45pmATF needs to ask themselves one question. DO YOU FEEL LUCKY TODAY? WELL DO YOU PUNK?
Report Post »ENIGMA28724
Posted on June 30, 2012 at 9:12pmAfter Waco, after Ruby Ridge, after countless other fiascoes and harassment of citizens rights, some feeble attempts to roll the ATF into the FBI’s control were made. I would much rather see the agency disbanded for all it’s mistakes and ALL federal firearms laws repealed. The funds saved could be used to help balance the budget, or pay for the 450 million rounds of 40 caliber ammo that Homeland Insecurity has ordered. But that’s another story.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:15pmHey government, Get your intrusive little rat claws out of our lives.
Report Post »grumpyt
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:15pmJust means that there will be a WHOLE LOT MORE sales. These guys are gun store’s best friends. Don’t forget to stock up on ammo. Outlawing ammo is another way these $0Bs are going to try this!
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:13pmYou’re correct on that. Also, anybody else here ever heard of a “drop gun”?? I’d find some…
Report Post »WOLFENII
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:55pmAny doubters of the will of the American people should have been with me at the gunshow this past weekend. For every 10 people who went into the show, a minimum of 3 firearms left in new hands. This is only one show in one state. Multiply that by 50 states and how many shows are there each weekend.
For the Obamobots, America is waiting for you to come and TRY to take our guns. I do not care what color you are when you come, you will leave a blood red color.
YOU BEST PAY ATTENTION WHEN YOU READ “FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS”
Report Post »Mary Just
Posted on June 10, 2012 at 9:14pmNever purchase you ammo with a charge card for obvious reasons. Never.
Report Post »vtech61
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:15pmMidWestMom
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:11pm
This is the last step in the “controlling the people” progressive agenda – take away our guns.
Food prices, gas prices, violence provoking demonstrations, high energy prices etc…..all leading up to the National Crisis Event the progressives & the government will use to declare martial law.
I figure we’ve got about 6 months.
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Fret NOT >>> True Americans will NOT let it happen.
If it‘s time to ’bury’ (hide) them.. It’s time to dig them up.
Report Post »Know what I’m saying?
ANoniMoose
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:24pmThen we don’t have enough “true Americans” because OBAMA WOULD STILL WIN RE-ELECTION according to the polls. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! We are quickly losing the last, best hope for liberty in the world.
Report Post »Bob_R_OathKeeper
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 1:22amI joined the Oathkeepers about a year ago, since then, the VA has claimed that I’m incompetent because of my PTSD rating, my 2nd Amendment has been stripped, 30 thousand in retro-pay is in a bank that I can’t touch and over half of my monthly compensation has been thrown in the bank too. I now get 1200 dollars a month instead of the 2673 dollars I was receiving. I’ve contacted many people to no avail, the VA field officer I talked to laughed and threatened to split my pay into 4 monthly checks of 300 dollars, It’s coming folks. Semper Fidelis.
Report Post »Joe Camel
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:14pmAnd this surprises anyone?
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:36amHey Joe…..
Like that name!
I have some m/c race banners with Joe on them. Real classics. That whole mess of tobacco companies not being able to sponser racing is an atrocious usurpation of our rights by the Fed. Some day I hope to see these types of restrictions repealed.
Report Post »uncleskull
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:13pmYou know what to do when you see a liberal staggering around your back yard?
RELOAD
Report Post »Workforit
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:13pmObama is doing his best to make it “illegal” to be a American.
Report Post »drattastic
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:18pmOnly for certain types of people. I think we know who we are.
Report Post »The Giver
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:49pmYou have hit it right on the nail. Everything that this great country stands for is offensive to this man who considers himself king. But let’s be real, this “transformation” has been in the works for almost 100 years by both Dems and Repubs. That is why the Tea Party movement is so threatening to them. They thought we would remain asleep. As hard as this is to watch, it’s good to be awake now.
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:11pmThis is the last step in the “controlling the people” progressive agenda – take away our guns.
Food prices, gas prices, violence provoking demonstrations, high energy prices etc…..all leading up to the National Crisis Event the progressives & the government will use to declare martial law.
I figure we’ve got about 6 months.
Report Post »SG APPLEBEE
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:18pmAbout 1 year and 6 months! That is when we will be raptured, praise the Lord! Then, after an indeterminate time our Lord will come again! Glory to God, the end is in sight! I was an atheist until I saw the light. I found the truth and now I am saved. Praise God. Make sure you are too.
Report Post »bluesguitar777
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:25pmSG – Jesus said no one knows the time or date of the rapture. He kind of meant that…
Report Post »MidWestMom
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:33pmSG APPLEBEE : I am a Christian & I am ready. But as bluesguitar777 states: Jesus said no one knows the time or date of the rapture.
And then there is the whole Tribulation thing…. no religious agreement regarding the question “when will Christians be Raptured? Some say pre-trib, others say mid-trib, and still others say post-trib.
My motto is : Be prepared Spiritually as well as Practically
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:06pm@midwest mom
Report Post »Not to mention that it could be tonight, or 10,000 years from now. Guess that why the ten wise brides kept oil in their lamps, and the other ten got left out, huh.
Live today for Jesus because today is all we know.
Oh, and the “easy and fun” part comes after the trumpet.
conrad_carter
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:39amDude, the rapture is supposed to be this Thursday the 21st. Check Family Radio.
Report Post »KatyDidIt
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 3:25amthat’s EXACTLY right, MIDWESTMOM!!!
Report Post »couldn’t have said it better myself….KUDOS to you!!!
rafarn
Posted on June 3, 2012 at 8:46pmI think the end of the world is predicted to be Dec 21 this year which means 6 months and 18 days left.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:10pmWe used to shoot giant spud guns at billboards of Obama and Hillary in 2008.
Report Post »This is probably the backlash.
sorry….
meeester
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:30pmCarry on. Don’t be sorry.
Report Post »AMERICA4EVER
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:44pmHey, I made one of them. Incredible fun. We used any vegetables that would fit in the barrel. Just think, if too many used them, they may outlaw vegetables.
Report Post »Rayblue
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:34pmWe used a sweet potato once and drilled a hole thru Obamas cheek.
Report Post »conrad_carter
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:38amI’ve found that limes are good to about 250 yards.
Report Post »psst
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:10pmIf Biblical days were like today, David would be in serious do-doo.
Report Post »He would probably be given the chair for killing Goliath w/ his sling .
In fact both slings and pebbles would be outlaw.
As for those slings that have bayonet mounts, possessing one of those whould get you beheaded by Soetoro’s jackboots.Twice if it had a built in grenade launcher.
The ATF would have “axed” David if he thought Goliath looked like a deer.
bluesguitar777
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:09pmI ain‘t givin’ up my Mossberg Persuader!
Report Post »TennesseeConservative
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:23pmDoes this mean I will have to give up my grenade launchers, My RPG’s, My 50 cal tripod mount fully auto machine gun. My Howitzers, My Thompson sub machine guns My lasers, My ICBM’s Nuke tipped of course. My gatlin guns, My Puff the magic dragon helicopter. My sherman tanks.
What a croc of baloney. They are worried about shotguns? I seriously doubt that. Just another Lib attempt to control us the Morons. So we do not shoot them, when it is time for their coup. Vote the vermin out, impeach them, recall them, what ever it takes. They are worried about when the shooting starts. We do not ever want the shooting to start. But if it does, see list above. Obama reminds me of Cartman from South Park. Respect my authoritie.
Report Post »AC-47 Spooky
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:03pmPuff the magic dragon was not a helicopter, it was the AC-47 gunship converted from a DC 3.
Report Post »Roboking
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:05pmTry to get my Mossberg Roadblocker semi-auto with a 50 cal muzzlebrake, and grips. Mr. Bushmaster Commando will take charge, but he will be “quiet”. Then all will be decided by the Public Defender Judge. Country boys WILL survive. Don’t Tread on Me!
Report Post »vtech61
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:08pmBATFE, along with over a dozen ‘alphabet’ (non Constitutional) agencies,
need to be shut down, de-funded and/or dissolved. PERIOD.
Notice the new name? It was ATF, now it‘s just a few letters short of what it’s become.
BAT FECES.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:57pmAgreed. The two most aggressive and paranoid are the DEA and the B. of ATF. The first is a fear mongering nest of liars and the second is a den of fear mongering bullies.The first attracts holier than thou authoritarian busy bodies and the second attracts goons who have a history of being both thuggish and stupid. The ATF is without a doubt the mentally challenged sibling to its brethren alphabet soup agencies. Do a search on scandals surrounding these idiots. You will laugh, you will cry, you will wonder who the hell believes this type of moronic govt. establishment is worth paying for. Recent news alone about the ATF encouraging U.S. gun dealers to engage in straw sells ought to be enough to make you realize the nefarious nature of these bastards. Hmmm… now what possible political motive could there be in making sure more guns make it from America into the hands of Mexican criminals? I wonder…. Nope. Nothing to question here. Move along, people.
Report Post »calebgs83
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:06pmMy shotgun will be confiscated over my dead body!
Report Post »pappy
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:27pmThey can TRY to take my shotgun…. Even if I let them, it’s OK (not really) I have 8 more. But don’t EVEN try to take any of the 30.06′s or the 30.30′s or the 308, or the 50 cal., or…….
Report Post »Evileye
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:30pmsadly they can arrange that Think ruby ridge
Report Post »ExpertShot
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:39pmI’ll just be illegal then, there is no way I’m giving up my arms (pistols, shotguns or rifles). Everyone who is concerned about this (especially the ATF) usurpation of the Constitution needs to check out http://www.oathkeepers.org & get behind them.
Report Post »Gladius
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:40pmThe only way to end this intrusion ( crap) from buearocratic agencies is to vote this guy out of office. Think what he will try to do if he wins another term. Anybody but Obama in 2012
Report Post »anutter
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:48pmAt least I’ve still gots my flame thrower…(great for barbecues ;)
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:30amEXPERTSHOT
Report Post »And therein lies the problem. Americans have not been taught the Constitution. If they had, they would see the dangerous land we are in. Republicans had better wake up and defend the Constitution. The number of laws that are un-Constitutional are bewildering. Obamacare is wicked un-Constitutional. Dumb-ass Americans don’t even know it.
ExpertShot
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 8:03pm@ decendentof56
Report Post »I agree that most American‘s don’t know the Constitution; however, Military & Law Enforcement have take an OATH to defend it, that’s what Oathkeepers is about…defending the Oath they took & there are certain “orders” they WILL NOT OBEY.
BECKISNUTS
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:05pmIf your precious guns get banned you can blame Glenn Beck because he started that war.
demint.disciple
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:08pmnot to worry it’ll never happen…
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:08pmDid Glenn Beck cause your impotence, too?
Report Post »MastrSSG
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:12pmHow so?
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:14pmI think BeckisNuts is the one who is NUTS, not Glenn Beck.
Report Post »You have a mental problem!
NOTYERHUCKLEBERRY
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:14pmThat is such a Bozo comment. You couldn’t be any more wrong. The anti-gun battle has been going on for many more years than Glenn has been on the air.
Report Post »Face it, you just don’t like Glenn.
dscon
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:15pmwtf? beck is at fault?
Report Post »i thought goerge w was
streetrodder
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:18pmWhy don’t you blame Bush, Palin, the T Party and Trump while yor at it.
Report Post »NuffSaid
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:19pmIt would be more productive to hunt you down and pummel you with harsh words and gestures. Thank you for your service!
Report Post »Suchy
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:22pmPlinking? Is my pellet rifle next?
Report Post »ENCINOM
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:23pmYou people think I am crazy but he has gone off the deep end this time.
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:35pmHmm… yes, let’s run down the list of what govt. wants to ban with a quick review of recent and fairly recent news stories:
1) Guns (e.g., within a certain distance of public/govt. officials… and this was proposed by the same R who upset the left for his recent Muslim queries).
2) Certain foods and the activity of restaurants deemed unsuitable by govt. (i.e., a handful of bureaucrats or reps. looking to hammer a soft target… and this is especially funny when these jokers themselves are fat)
3) Baths salts… because some morons want to shove junk up their nose (and once again this gets right leaning busy bodies fired up… ’cause you gotta save stupid people… apparently so they can make more of the same).
4) Meaningful pursuit of energy sources. Sorry, folks, but carbon fuels are here for the near future… unless you wanna burn candles and walk to and from work.
5) The internal combustion engine… ’cause it’s the devil. See item 4.
6) Managing your “private” property (including brush piles and isolated ponds) save by leave of the govt.
7) Free speech, free thought and dissension… unless it’s govt. approved dissension.
8) Open access to the Internet… see item 7.
9) Some access to public lands on any ATV or other such vehicle (as seen in the communist state of MD).
10) Drawings of guns and the gestures of guns that can be made by a hand… as seen with zero tolerance policies with public school students. The next time some cool guy points his “finger gun” at you and fires off an imaginary round with a saucy wink, you are apparently expected to call the local fuzz.
Hmm… now let’s go down the list of what govt. is loosening up on:
1) Well, since 1961, some govts. have been decriminalizing suicide.
Not real clear on your “Glenn Beck is the cause for draconian gun laws” logic argument. Are you insinuating this is comeuppance for the audacity to rail ‘against the man.’ Ah, now there I’d agree with you to some extent: Govt. does tend to devolve to taking more and allowing less. But I don‘t think that’s Beck’s fault.. busy bodies and thugs will trample rights as busy bodies and thugs are wont to do. Remember this when govt. touches one of your sacred cows, be that Pepsi, Big Macs or the Internet. Yep. Nothing bad EVER happens when only the state is armed.
Report Post »Gladius
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:36pmBeckisnuts Please call your proctologist…he found your head.
Report Post »ANoniMoose
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:47pmGooch, if you don’t mind, I’d like to add:
The right to even own your “private property”. It can be confiscated by the government to give it to another private entity that will supposedly generate more taxes for said government. Then that private entity can close down the enterprise that it was going to expand, leave the government acquired land vacant thereby generating far less tax income for said government than the property taxes said government was receiving from the now evicted former homeowners. (Remember Kelo!)
Report Post »The Gooch
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:54pmAh, Gladius, that is a keeper! That goes into my repertoire of “how to assert someone may be intellectually challenged or woefully naive in a colorful manner” sayings.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:58pmLook everybody Beckisnuts is only wearing saran wrap , clearly we can see he‘s nut’s.
Report Post »And there will be no well fed squirrels at Beckisnuts house anytime soon.
PA PATRIOT
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:02pmBECKISTHEMAN
Report Post »You are an idealog.
My guns are not precious, they are a part of my daily life.
I do not idolize black steel. Just the right to carry it.
It not the gun that kills idiots, it is the person carrying the gun.
(smile)
the idea log
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:09pmPA PATRIOT
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:02pm
BECKISTHEMAN
You are an idealog.
My guns are not precious, they are a part of my daily life.
I do not idolize black steel. Just the right to carry it.
It not the gun that kills idiots, it is the person carrying the gun.
(smile)
I try not to be an idea log but I often fail…
Report Post »etecs
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:10pm@Gladius
LOL.. Right on brother…..
@beckisnuts
The progressive anarchists have been trying to ban weapons of all sorts for years now. An unarmed civilian population would be much easier to herd into camps for re-education……
As a reflex action…….. You’re going to see a huge increase in shotgun sales during the next few months… Good to be a gun dealer.
How you get Beck as the one responsible for the ATF to be plotting something as nefarious as restricting shotgun purchases, is laughable. You might want to see a doctor soon….. it appears you have a serious case of rectitus…
Report Post »lane829
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:45pmYou are just the master of cheap little one liners huh? I hope you enjoy all the wonderful things your savior has in store for ALL of us peons. That includes you. Enjoy the bread lines.
Report Post »1776Patriot
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:34pmNo, that fight started when we were ruled by a King in England. It has simply resurfaced with our new King Obama.
A man’s gotta know his limitations…
Report Post »McPig
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 2:25am@beckisnuts
Actually… no. I’ll blame you and your little encephalographically challenged clones.
Report Post »quipster
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 2:50amyour a moron!!!!!
Report Post »Rickfromillinois
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 8:07ambeckisnuts – “If your precious guns get banned you can blame Glenn Beck because he started that war.” This statement is stupid beyond belief. If everyone‘s guns are taken away it’s Beck’s fault? Only a moron would think of something like that.
Report Post »Hammer10
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 5:50pmA__ O!
Report Post »Beck is as nuts as Obamas boss, Soros.
And about the guns; they’re never going to get mine. As a matter of fact I’ll take theirs.
And you personally … Isn’t a good thing that their are still people around to protect the “some of the people who are fooled all the time” like you.
KatyDidIt
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:05pmUhhhhh, but how will be be able to kill the enemy? I’m not very good at throwing rocks & sticks. Oh, wait…I’ve got it….Obamaism wants the whole world to live together under ONE government. Well, that explains it then. In this ObamaWorldOrder, we won’t NEED guns,,,,rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrright???????????
Report Post »*spit* this is gonna piss of a whole lotta rednecks!!!!!!
snidley-whiplash
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:43pmwrist rockets with ball bearings. OOOOOOOOOUCH
Report Post »Elaine P
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:49pmGuns is just the tip of the iceburg. Go to http://www.AmericanPolicy.org and read the Articles on AGENDA 21. See what all Obama, UN and Progressive elites have coming for Americans. After reading the Articles on AGENDA 21, you will understand why Obama has nationalized HealthCare, GM, Banks, Taken over bad loans from Fannie and Freddie to bail them out with tax payer money. You will also understand why Obama is making the biggest land grab that has ever been made in America. They plan to build little communities, where we will all be located in a one or two bedroom apartment. You will not be allowed to own any land because that is not sustainable. We will not have cars in these little communities. We will walk or ride a bycicle, or ride the railway system that Obama has asked over 62 billion to build nationwide rail system. You will be told you have a job in the little apartment building where you live. There will be a place for you to buy your food in this building. The one and two bedroom apartments are to discourage people from having more than one child. You will have smart meters installed in your little commune. When you have used the amount of electricity, water, gas they have alotted for you, you will be cut off until the next day, regardless of how hot or cold it is.
Report Post »This is just a little of what is on that website. Please everyone read the Articles and pass the website around to everyone you know. These are facts, not conspiracy. The info was taken from AGENDA 21 own website. It is both Shocking and Frightening. If you have a Child or ever plan to have one, do you want them to live this way where they are herded and controlled like cows.
snidley-whiplash
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:55pmIf we can make our own moonshine, grow our own food, make our own tools we sure as hell
Report Post »can make our own guns.
But before that happens…..come and get em. Try, just try.
snidley-whiplash
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:56pmIf I post do I have to leave my address????????????????????????????????????
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:02pm@snidleywhiplass
Report Post »Schmedly snickers…ratsen fasten roe grood brun ofa stitch ….lol
Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 1:06pmsnidely, no you don’t have to personally, your computer does it for you, it is called a MAAC (address), so they know EXACTLY who all of us are by name. Like I said many times before, they have our number, and they probably now have enough Obots to carry out the plan. Now I just wait for the false flag, or actual revolution, either way, things will get ugly fast, faster than you can say…
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 1:34pmLOL, Gladius, nice one Centurian! Alas, a procto won’t be able to find it either, it is too far up there in the sunless land!
Report Post »Showtime
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 5:59pmCongress needs to get on the ball regarding our firearms and IMPEACHMENT!
Report Post »ANoniMoose
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:19pmOh, do I dream…
Report Post »fixer
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:24pmI’ve about decided that they will never impeach him…oh for the days of tar and feathers.
Report Post »snidley-whiplash
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:37pmyea just like the scotus, sorry if we wait much longer we will all be looking out from the barbwire.
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:53pmSeems to me the words shotgun and impeachment should go together like chocolate and peanut butter.
Report Post »But if at all possible be at peace with all mankind. But if you can‘t give them Auto choke Recees’s piece’s, that’s all.
jjoy
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:03pmThe rinos don’t have the nerve to impeach obama… It could easily be done, as it takes only a simple majority of the house of representatives to impeach a president…
Report Post »Ironmaan
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:06pmBetter to be judged by 12 than carried by six. I don’t care what “law” they pass, I will not give up my firearms.
Report Post »http://guerillatics.com
PA PATRIOT
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:22pmIdeologue
Report Post »The Idea Log sorry,, But as a Pennsylvanian, I am proud that our fearless leader Barack Obama: termed me as Bitter Pennsylvanians “Cling to Guns or Religion”
I am one PROUD PENNSYLVANIAN
C. Schwehr
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:53pmIt would be another Clinton style impeachment where the act was accomplished by the House, but the Senate would vote LOCKSTEP SOCIALIST and protect their messiah….No, we’ll not remove him by any other legal means besides the election…Of course, if this messiah were stupid enough to begin the de-arming of America, that changes the situation completely….
Report Post »psst
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:03pmYou mean the republican controlled Congress?
Report Post »The Bone-man can’t even get it up to stand by what he said he was gonna do. First 100 Bil, then 64 then 38B, turns out it’s really crappy paltry millions when all the smoke and mirror BS cleared.
Soetoro said to his comrades. don’t fire until you see the white of his eyes.Er ,I meant to say the tan of his eyes.
Yes sir/madam. Good luck w/ that.
stormcrow53
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:50pmJJOY: The House can vote for Articles of Impeachment but I think the Senate must try the Foreign Dictator.
Report Post »And Harry Reid and his cowhorets are spending that union money buying votes or osculating to the maximum their monocratic master’s gluteals.
decendentof56
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:22amJJOY…..The rinos don’t have the nerve to impeach obama… It could easily be done, as it takes only a simple majority of the house of representatives to impeach a president…
Partly right, JJOY. A simple majority in the house is correct, but then the Senate, with the Chief Justice residing, must vote to impeach with a 2/3 majority.
It has been used only twice: Andrew Johnson, 1868. Senate fell one vote short of removing him (35-19) and Bill Clinton, 1998. Aquitted Art1 45-55, Art2, 50-50
The only grounds to impeach are:
Report Post »a- Treason
b- Bribery
c- Other high crimes and misdemeanors
You could make cases for all three. a- V Jones alone b- buying votes for passage for healthcare, and c- too many to list here
This guy is as anti-American as they come. It‘s distressing that so many don’t even know what they are going to do to themselves by supporting this Socialist/Marxist/Communist/Racist.
TrueGrit
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 5:55amTHE INTERNATIONAL GLOBAL GUN BAN
UN sponsered… Hillary and Obama’s favorite.
This ban will override all international gun laws!
Makes this ATF run look like chicken feed.
All these sites are monitored, so it really doesn’t matter
whether you supply your address or not. You are already tagged
if you post here or on HUFFPUFF, buy ammo – even at a Walmart. register at any
range, buy any sporting goods that applies to firearms or hunting – even trap and skeet
It’s already here guys.
NOTE: TO Huffin and Puffin visitors … some of you guys write
in a very similar way… it’s really kind of funny in simple terms.
Wolverine
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:08am……….
No sporting use?
I guess the police will be happy to give up their Remington 870′s.
Snort, snort.
Looks like Obama will create another run on firearms, every election cycle, he creates a spike in firearm sales, I hope he’s getting a kickback.
Report Post »Americas2ndRevolution
Posted on April 20, 2011 at 8:54amBHO has to have guns out of the way soon, if he was to be impeached this country wld burn…racist factions like the new black panther party etc. wld declare open season on anything white, the gaurd wld be called into most major cities….which is what they want, unarmed citizens cowering to the BHO stazi…..
Report Post »demint.disciple
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 5:59pmWhat ? wait, I’ll be needin it for squirrls and such…
Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:02pmI can just hear Charlton Heston’s words echoing across the land, “From my cold, dead fingers.”
Mannax
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:11pmWell, my shotgun would be legal if I remove the flashlight from it. *shakes head*
Report Post »SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:12pm^______^______^
BHO made it abundantly clear he would not touch the 2nd Amend… he never said anything about going after guns /shotguns via regulations! This again was a topic many of us had red flags up on BHO when we were told to shut up be quiet, stop being a hater, racist, bigot for only looking at and questioning his voting history etc with regards to guns.
Beck quickly touched on this on tonight’s show but be forewarned this Pres has an agenda and along with doing the American ppl in financially he has plans to disarm us as well! He has already put those wheels in motion on the government level if you think he wont touch civilians weapons you need to look yourself in the mirror.
NO? I am wrong?! Are you sure about that, he promised he would do it as candidate Obama and went right ahead last year with a reduction of our nuclear program in a treaty agreement with Russia.
This Pres is very naive and thinks he will get away with this. He doesnt understand that as much as he has gotten away with doing to the American ppl with debt, healthcare etc etc, when it comes to Americans and their guns its a whole new ball game! A ball game we know he can’t throw a single pitch too!!
Let me end this with the words from the great Charlton Heston youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw
Report Post »wpod69
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:21pmModel82, that post from DD, was a quote from my favorite movie, “The Outlaw Josey Wales”
sof32
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:22pmyou might want to invest in a spell checker instead…
MODEL82A1
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:25pmWP, that only adds to my confusion. What about the Herman Cain, Black, black, black, black black rant? Also, it goes without saying not to rule out my own potential stupidity…
Report Post »82dAirborne
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:38pmI am absolutely sure that the plan by the federal government to allow the sales of ridiculous numbers of weapons to be sold to individuals along the southern border have nothing to do with this. You remember: the plan to “track” the movement of weapons to Mexican drug cartels that got one I.C.E. agent killed and another grievously wounded. That PROVES that weapons are evil.
The only possible remedy is to outlaw gun ownership for law abiding citizens. What? Oh now you are going to bring up that old dusty, out of touch piece of paper? The Constitution HAS to evolve to catch up with the times! I mean really how could a group of old white men possibly foreseen a problem with an over reaching central government almost 250 years in the future? Impossible! Progress is good therefore being progressive is good.
It is beyond my understanding that so many of you here fail to understand this. If our federal government lifts more responsibilities and worries from the individual we can all live carefree lives. Why you insist on personal responsibility for yourselves & your families is a waste of time and resources. Just throw everything into the pot and allow the smart folks in D.C. take care of things!
Geeeze – it’s so simple!
A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:42pmDon’t forget the related “Project Gunrunner” story.
CBS: ‘Documents point to ATF gun running since 2008’
Report Post »http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/03/08/cbs-%e2%80%98documents-point-to-atf-gun-running-since-2008%e2%80%99/
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:42pmI love the quote. That is just before they took all the Rebels weapons, and then mowed them down with machine gun fire. That tells you were we will be when we peacefully protest and our King doesn’t like what we have to say. “Kill a few hundred, they will go back to their muck and leave me to make my bracket picks. Dreadfull peons.”
Report Post »SLARTIBARTFAST
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:42pmSend in our comments about this to the ATF!?!?!? The ATF KNOWS there are plenty of people who’ll be more than reluctant to send in their comments, complete with their name and address, about this pending garbage, Paranoid? I don’t think so…….
Report Post »ColeTR
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:46pmMODEL82A1 did you ever see the movie “The Outlaw Josey Wales”
Report Post »When they surrender and the redlegs tells them to turn in their guns, that’s the
response one of them gave to the Sgt collecting their weapons……….
SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:47pmBTW anyone notice this looks like a copy and paste (with some adjustments to shotguns) from the “evil features” of the AR-15′s and other like semi auto rifles back from when they were trying to label semi autos as assault rifles when the 2 are completely different mechanically? Stuck out at me b/c in CA many of these features are the reasons behind not allowing any CA AR owners to have detachable magazines. We have to have whats called a bullet button, where a “tool” is required to release mags.
“(1) Folding, telescoping, or collapsible stocks;
Report Post »(2) bayonet lugs;
(3) flash suppressors;
(4) magazines over 5 rounds, or a drum magazine;
(5) grenade-launcher mounts;
(6) integrated rail systems (other than on top of the receiver or barrel);
(7) light enhancing devices;
(8) excessive weight (greater than 10 pounds for 12 gauge or smaller);
(9) excessive bulk (greater than 3 inches in width and/or greater than 4 inches in depth);
(10) forward pistol grips or other protruding parts designed or used for gripping the shotgun with the shooter’s extended hand.
Some of these features, such as folding stocks and larger capacity magazines clearly are useful in sports if you include practical shooting sports.”
PA PATRIOT
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:49pmSavingtherepublic
I have heard that we Pennsylvanians can be naïve but your belief that Obama would not touch the 2nd Amendment is dubious at best. It is time that we understand that he will not stop changing our way of life until he has accomplished his mission of Socialism and seeing the Republic fail. He and the progressives have given us plenty of warning shots across the bow. Last year it was shoving health care down our throats, the year before it was ACORN, and next year is already shaping up to be “The Year of The Unions” It has been no secret that the unions’ uprising in Wisconsin are being funded and mobilized by Obama …. Check it out http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2011/02/18/obama_mobilizes_union_protesters_in_wisconsin_250747.html
I truly believe that we cannot believe anything we hear from this administration and very little of what we see. As it has been said many times here on the Blaze, “Watch the other hand.” We are going to witness many changes in the next year. We must be able to call and ace an ace and a spade a spade. NO GREY AREA.
Report Post »simray
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:54pmoutlaw josey wales??? DD
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:56pmWhat’s wrong? You people don‘t believe the Jewish Gov’t has your best interests at heart? lol Interesting how at odds the Gov’t seems to be w/ the people? It‘s almost as if the agenda of the Gov’t is different from the US Constition and its citizens? That’s strange. Must be those damn Progressives… Isn’t that right GB? It’s the Progressives.. lol
BIGJAYINPA
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:56pmYou toads want my guns??? You are more than welcome to come and take them. I only ask that you send in the unmarried men first. I really don’t want to create any widows or orphans.
simray
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:58pmoutlaw josey wales?
Report Post »BetterDays
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:59pmHey @Kilkainwazilla here’s my plan…you first.
Report Post »PA PATRIOT
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:00pmOh,
Report Post »I forgot to add to buy more ammo in addition to the black weapons.
techengineer11
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:01pmPA PATRIOT: Oh yeh.. If we can get rid of Obama we can save the Republic? I mean everything was perferct before Obama? I thank God for Obama. Thankfully by electing this radical Marxist, the majority of people in this Nation are now realizing just how at odds many Politicians on both sides of the aisle were with our Constitution.
If McCain would have won he probably wouldn‘t have implemented the Health Plan exactly the same but other than that he’d probably be duplicating Obama‘s agenda with the exception of being in 3 Wars we’d probably be in 6… But what the hell we loaded w/ extra free cash flow to fight all of these absolutely necessary and in our National interests Wars correct?
Report Post »Vixvenom
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:07pmMODEL82,
Report Post »from Josey Wales, in that scene, the Union troops were taking the guns (sporting guns) from the rebels, thus the “I’ll need it for squirrels and such” statement….incedently, they were mowed down shortly thereafter….pretty insightful reference if you get it, actually.
CatB
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:12pmNot according to the SECOND AMMENDMENT …. we were all “crazy” saying Obama wanted to take away guns … Who’s crazy now?
TEA!
Report Post »BibleGunClinger
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:13pm@Mannax…..guessing you have never watched the movie “The Outlaw Josey Wales”, then you would know what D.D was saying.
Report Post »BibleGunClinger
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:14pmSorry Mannax……should have been for Model82A1
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:17pmMeanwhile, the ATF is taking comments on its study.
But here’s the catch: in order to let the ATF know what you think, you have to give it your mailing address.
Report Post »1600 Pa Ave washington D.C.
PA PATRIOT
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:26pmTECH,
Report Post »You are correct in your observation revealing the silver lining to this dark and ominous cloud. His election to the highest office in the United States has awakened many sleeping constitutional loyalists. It is however, an unfortunate fact that this dark cloud he created is going to shadow America for a very long time. He is the antithesis of the Founders. I truly believe that his departure sooner than later would be more beneficial for America.
rockstone
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:27pmGreat reference.
Report Post »Zeus In A Speedo
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:28pmJust like when the Spartan King Leonitis was ordered to disarm by the Persians…
Obamamites…Come and get them!
Report Post »PA PATRIOT
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:28pmBanjarmon
Report Post »Let the ATF figure it out.
SavingtheRepublic.com
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:46pm@ PA Patriot
Report Post »Not a naive statement he has said on many occasions of being “pro 2nd amend” but we all know he is in the closet anti gun. He is all about regs and taxes to make it next to impossible to own a gun. He is a lawyer its word play I know this and so do you and others. He is slick and knows exactly what he is doing, its one of the reasons he has Sunstein at play with our regs!
thepatriotdave
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:52pmGold Coin & Economic News
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 6:02pm
I can just hear Charlton Heston’s words echoing across the land, “From my cold, dead fingers.”
—————————————————
Same here!
Calling all Patriots…
Report Post »http://www.AmericasTeaPartyNews.com
Dahart
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:53pmMMMMM… Squirrel taste like chicken……I prefer it with BBQ sauce. :)
Report Post »thegrassroots
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 7:56pmHow many ways Soetoro violates America‘s Constitution only translates into how many years he’ll spend in prison when it all implodes on him. And, implode on him, it will. Soetoro’s such a self-absorbed, deluded narcissist that he doesn’t realize that people who make a difference are watching.
Report Post »theonefromabove
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:02pmThat looks really SWEET!
http://politicalbowl.com – Political Videos
Report Post »niterider
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:05pmdemint.disciple: got it. Line from Outlaw Josey Wales when the Confederate soldiers are forced to turn in their rifles and handguns with promises of food and parole….just before the Redlegs shot them down like dogs. Very appropriate reference, sir.
Report Post »zman173rd
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:15pmTo complain go to the library, use a PC there and enter an address out of the phone book. You know what their reply will be so why bother. SAFTEY IN NUMBERS.
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:19pmcan i post now????
Report Post »watchtheotherhand
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:24pmSorry this is WAY off topic, but I have had trouble getting my posts to appear on here I can log in and when I hooked up my laptop bypassing the router things post. Yet when I was wireless I could post on Huff Po bu not the blaze…..anyone have any answers??????? So sorry this is off topic but I am clueless????
Report Post »YucaipaMike
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:28pmWould someone please remind these people what the word “infringed” means? Our RIGHT to BEAR ARMS shall NOT be INFRINGED upon by ANYONE. Infringe means “to encroach through stealth”. Throw the dirtbags out. We don’t care what the rationale, you shall not INFRINGE upon our rights!
Report Post »TXPilot
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:29pmThey are more than welcome to come try to take our guns, but I have a feeling they wont like what happens. Arm up patriots, because evil is coming and you will be called on to destroy it, save this country, as well as yourself and your family.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:47pm@watchtheotherhand
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SavvyCowboy
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 8:59pmModel82A1 – DD is quoting a scene from “The Outlaw Jose Wales” and only a TRUE Conservative would know that. You are obviously a liberal political hack. Best head back to school and steep some more liberal education into that gray matter of yours.
Report Post »Cemoto78
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:01pmthey must be getting a little worried over there in D.C. when they come up with the ideas of trying to get the guns. Now that I think about it, they should be. You are not getting my guns or ammo, I’m gonna need them to protect my family from the invasion from the south to which the government refuses to do anything about.
Report Post »dabbo
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:05pmI always love a good Josey Wales reference.
If they unjustly come for my weapons they find out that my words of death are also true.
Report Post »boris_the_blade
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:18pmAre you gonna pull those pistols or whistle dixie? The Outlaw Josie Wales. NICE!!!
Report Post »kennyg933
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:25pmI agree to give my weapons to the nanny state, but before I hand them over I will first deliver to them all of the ammo I can.
Report Post »12 gauge
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:25pmMake my day…
Report Post »missionarydad
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:35pmOur 2nd amendment rights are as vital to our freedoms as our own blood is to keeping us alive.
http://www.saywhatyoureallymean.blogspot.com
Report Post »meltdown69
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:36pmModel82….Outlaw josie wales
Report Post »jzs
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 9:44pmOtherhand, you are being blocked because your opinions, at times at least, aren’t right wing enough. I’ve read comments of yours that I agreed with and that in itself is enough for you to get banned here.
I stand by our Second Amendment rights to defend myself when our government doesn’t follow the will of “We the People” as Sharron Angle and Gabriella Giffords do. Why can’t I own a sawed off shotgun. That law is a direct violation of our right to keep and bear arms. The infringing on my rights! Why can’t I have a fully automatic weapon? Another infringement on my Constitutional rights! What right does the government have to tell me I can‘t carry a loaded shotgun into a my son’s childcare center, or school? Why can’t I carry handguns onto a college campus? Why can’t I openly carry a semiautomatic weapon wherever I go to protect myself from attack?
If I have my gun in full sight, especially my sawed off shotgun with me wherever I go, nobody is going to mess with me or anybody around me. If we all armed, nobody would mess with anybody. Crime goes to zero. Simple.
Statistics prove that the more guns, the less people get killed by guns, even when you offset suicides, children killed by playing with guns etc.
To even safer we should all be able to buy, if we want, rocket propelled grenades, if violation of the Second Amendment. When a candidate has the guts to remove that restriction on our 2nd Amendment rights, they’ve got my vote. If we had that right illegal immigration go to zero.
More guns, bigger guns = no crime, no illegal immigration. If that’s not, like, intuitive.
automatic weapons are legal
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:03pmJZS,
Sawed off shotguns, automatic weapons, and even explosives are legal! They are considered class III weapons and can be owned by anyone in most states by paying a $200 tax and jumping through many hoops. But the fact is you can own a tommy gun or even a rocket launcher, provided the weapon/device was made before 1984 (I believe, you can google it) and you are in a complying state.
Carrying it is another matter…You have to follow your state’s carry laws.
Report Post »marine43
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:08pmHa ha, Josie Wales!
Report Post »DTOM_Jericho
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:22pmCome take it.
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:37pmToo little too late
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CAMOCOWBOY777
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:39pmI think I will just sit up here on the hill with Josey Wales. And keep my guns.
Report Post »RedPillPatriot
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:39pmThe sound of an armored vehicle creeping to a stop on the street… a barking dog in the neighbors yard…The ATF getting ready to make entry to take my weapons……… the ever so subtle sound of the trigger slack being taken up on my weapon as I say! “ARE YOU GONNA PULL THEM PISTOLS OR WHISTLE DIXIE” BOOM.
Report Post »1911a1
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 10:40pmCome and take it !!!!
Report Post »101
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:01pm.
Report Post »A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
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My right to keep and bear arms is not a subject that is up for any type of discussion.
stormcrow53
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:05pmWell, all my weapons are for target practice. But target is always open to interpretation.
Report Post »ManThong
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:33pmGood thing that piece on the top has a laser. Bet it makes for tight groups at distance.. Er, or is it for precision close quarters scatter gun engagement?
Report Post »awall1231
Posted on April 18, 2011 at 11:54pmI always liked, “dyin aint much of a livin boy” these progressives better take heed to these words. AR15 x2, SKS, SOCOM II, TAURUS 9MM, Springfeild XDm, S&W 9MM,
Report Post »carnifex
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:17amListen to me. Do not buy your weapons at gun stores or dun shows from dealers if you don;t want to be “in the system” The ATF is supposed to destroy those records but do you REALLY believe they do> Oh hell no. Buy from a dealer to support them but your good stuff needs to be second hand or further removed from original purchase. And bury some stuff around. don’t hide the good stuff in your house. keep a throw away gun handy for when the boys come knocking so you can give em somethin. Forget remember the Alamo, remember New Orleans!
Report Post »stormcrow53
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:54am@82dAirborne. LOL, soldier and thanks for your service. We need you all, again. Now! To defend our Constitution.
Report Post »cidav8r
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 1:05am@model82a1:
demint.disciple‘s quote is from the Clint Eastwood movie The Outlaw Josie Wales where the US gov’t tries to take away the Missouri militia’s weapons following the end of the civil war. One of the militia members – the youngest – objects saying that the rifle he’s been using for military purposes is also used by him for the purpose of providing himself food, ie: “squirrels and such”. So, you see, his quote is exceptionally relevant and YOU are ignorant. Try to keep up with the program….
Report Post »Mee the People
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 2:18ama guy with no us birth certificate wants to take our guns away, i dont think so
Report Post »txn4justice
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 2:41amD.D. I got it. It is from The Outlaw Josey Wales, one of the Rebels said it when the Yankees collected all the guns up from the last Confedrates before they shot them down with the Gatling guns. Awesome movie.Johnny Carson said it was the best “western” ever made.
Report Post »thebarbarian
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 4:32amthen can try to take my guns over thier dead bodies. does anyone remember hitler’s speacg on the german people never have beeing so safe as to now… after he put in stringent gun cntrol laws. the controls echoed that which the left has been attempting to issue for a long time. batf/atf which everone you go under … you shall not infringe apon any of the rights set forth in the constitution. my line si drawn . folks it is argue that either the fist or the second amendment is the most . dare i say that they are intertwined. expression and defence are in seaparable. they can mute the first by extracation the second: they can mute the second by srushing the first.
this is my stand. how about you PATRIOTS?! trolls shut up. your to stupid to understand that you will reap the benifit from our blood,outsweat,and our tears. you leaches just keep sucking the life out of our country. DON”T ASK HOW THIS COULD BE WHEN YOU GET ROUNDED UP FOR THE SLAUGTER, whe your leaders are done with using you and discard you like the complicate trash you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »Mee the People
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 4:56amthey will have to take the ammo first
Report Post »Pocono Countryboy
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 7:15amTwo Words
Molon Labe
Report Post »Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 7:33amAnd the assault begins – if they come to take my guns, they better have kissed their wife and children, told them how much they love them, and get their affairs in order…I have…
Report Post »48
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 8:24amWith talk like this gun and ammo sales are going to climb again, and for good reason. I guess I’m going to have to make another trip to Cabelas.
Report Post »code green
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 9:22amWhat is next? Lon Horiuchi to pay you a visit like he did to Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge ????
Report Post »Not on our watch !
Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 10:46amFellow Blazers – you KNOW we are ALL being tracked who post here – do I sound scared??? LOL, I fear NOTHING! You see Jesus Christ is in my life, anything beyond that is a waste of my time, but for my country! I can hear it now, then why do you talk so much about violence and hate, well, I am still a sinner, I am human after all!!! To make it perfectly clear to all the private eyes watching us, I abhor violence, I do not foment it, nor condone it; but if the left brings their violence to the streets, you better darn well know I will defend my family first, then my country, bet your bottom dollar, the Constitution is too important to leave it to the Progressive Communists to shred!!
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:01am…….
I re-read the second amendment.
I didn’t see “sporting use” mentioned.
Maybe ATF should stick to their main mission;
Report Post »walking guns across the border to give to the drug cartel.
Wolf
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:12amClinton’s Rules Of Engagement… Unintended Consequences… What part of “Shall NOT be infringed” does this communist muslum turd NOT understand?
Report Post »code green
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:19amWolf the problem is that he does understand it. He has no intention of being a defender of the constitution. His major goal is to undermine it for his communist agenda.He thinks the constitution is printed on soft paper kept out back, in the out house, not the White House.
Report Post »American Soldier (Separated)
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:33amI can see them applying those guidelines to my AR15. My AR15 would fail almost every aspect of those guidelines. Pry it from my cold, dead hands.
Report Post »ID_Patriot
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:53am“…Don‘t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining!”
Report Post »ForgivenWretch
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 11:59am@ WATCHTHEOTHERHAND
Report Post »I’m surprised to hear you were possibly banned. I’m far more inflammatory and have always found your posts well thought out, articulate, and reasonable. Wondered where you had gone. Lan astaslem!
Sgt.Crust
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:12pmThe communists are scared of WE THE PEOPLE, that is why they are doing this, quite obvious isn’t it?
Report Post »JN
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:24pmWell there goes our chances of surviving the zombie apocalypse…
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:28pm@ Dahart “MMMMM… Squirrel taste like chicken……I prefer it with BBQ sauce. :)”
I wonder how the ATF tastes???
Report Post »dabbo
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 12:50pmSpeaking of Zombieland
“I’m in the a$$ kick’in business and business is good”
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 1:05pmMy guns are not subject to gun control, under any pretense. Any such laws or regulations do not apply to me, as I am a free man and American. Those who propose such laws, are not, and are not my concern and I will not deal with them in any way, nor give up my liberties because they demand me to.
That’s the beginning and end of the discussion.
Report Post »AZfreeman
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 1:37pmDon’t fall for the knee jerk reaction….
“Come take them”…“cold dead fingers” etc.
Look at how the great imposter works. He will ask you for your gun and you will give it to him.
How, you ask? When the economy collapses and a man’s children are starving, would he trade his gun for some food for his family? Sure he would.
You say..there is plenty of food and there’s no such program in place? Oh, there will be…just give him 4 more years. I wonder if Jefferson was thinking of guns, when he said..
“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have”.
…rf
Report Post »3
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 1:53pmAll you Democrats get it yet? All you Conservatives need to get 1 more person to vote next year.
Report Post »2 more if you can, but I have 5 already so do your part get 1 more person who doesn’t vote to get off the butt and hit the polls.
happyboy
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 2:59pmWhy did they use a picture of a shotgun only the police would use? If I remove the 12,000 round magazine on my shotgun would it then be legal?
Report Post »Dons621
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 4:14pmI am now 84, the Germans tried, the Japaneses tried, So now bwrry is going to try, well I did nit think I was going to get out of this world alive anyway. I guest I am just an old die-hard.
Report Post »Down2TheC
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 4:15pmYikes. I’m 3 for 10 from the list just on things I actually have. Expand it to what the weapon is “capable of” and I’m toast.
Report Post »docvet
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 4:50pmSo if I get this right, the definition of a “well regulated militia” is actually just a group of sportsmen out to get meat for their table and not an adjunct to the army responsible for protecting their communities. Did I get that right?
Charlesjr
Posted on April 19, 2011 at 8:57pmMy God. Does anybody read the constitution anymore? What is wrong with this country? Its like the whole country has gone in Rip Van-Winkle mode. I think its time to wake up and stop the Marxists now!!
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DUPDAWG
Posted on April 20, 2011 at 8:56amFrom my cold dead hand!
Report Post »Miguelito
Posted on April 20, 2011 at 9:56amWe need to fight like a girl!!!
Report Post »ozz
Posted on April 20, 2011 at 2:12pmMOLON LABE! Those who are not willing to die for liberty were never free.
Report Post »Igno Ramus
Posted on April 22, 2011 at 9:01pmDon’t write the ATF. Write your Congressman and your Senator. Every damn day if you can. Write your local sheriff and your local judge. Write your mayor and your city council. Write your local paper and talk to your friends and family, especially your kids. Keep at them. That way they know you are serious about this issue.
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