Could Your Vaccines Soon be ‘Made in China?’
- Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:51am by
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The World Health Organization has approved China's vaccine making standards, but experts say it will still be years before the drugs have passed enough inspections to be distributed worldwide. (Photo: KTSM)
BEIJING (The Blaze/AP) — “Made in China” products within the last few years have gained a stigma associated with sub-par workmanship or potentially dangerous chemicals that result in recalls. Most of these recalled products are toys. But now, the world should get ready for a new Made in China product — vaccines.
If consumers worldwide are weary of Made in China products, China’s food and drug safety record in recent years hardly inspires confidence. In 2007, Chinese cough syrup killed 93 people in Central America; one year later, contaminated blood thinner led to dozens of deaths in the United States while tainted milk powder poisoned hundreds of thousands of Chinese babies and killed six.
The government has since imposed more regulations, stricter inspections and heavier punishments for violators. Perhaps because of that, regulators routinely crack down on counterfeit and substandard drug making, but some say it takes more than regulatory agencies to prevent drugmakers from cutting corners or producing fakes.
Even still, China‘s vaccine makers are gearing up over the next few years to push exports in a move that should lower costs of lifesaving immunizations for the world’s poor and provide major new competition for the big Western pharmaceutical companies.
China’s entry into this market will be a “game changer,” said Nina Schwalbe, head of policy at the GAVI Alliance, which buys vaccines for 50 million children a year worldwide.
“We are really enthusiastic about the potential entry of Chinese vaccine manufacturers,” she said.
China’s vaccine-making prowess captured world attention in 2009 when one of its companies developed the first effective vaccine against swine flu — in just 87 days — as the new virus swept the globe. In the past, new vaccine developments had usually been won by the U.S. and Europe.
H1N1 vaccine (Photo: AP/Xinhua, Xing Guangli)
Then, this past March the World Health Organization announced that China’s drug safety authority meets international standards for vaccine regulation. It opened the doors for Chinese vaccines to be submitted for WHO approval so they can be bought by U.N. agencies and the GAVI Alliance.
“China is a vaccine-producing power” with more than 30 companies that have an annual production capacity of nearly 1 billion doses — the largest in the world, the country’s State Food and Drug Administration told The Associated Press.
But more needs to be done to build confidence in Chinese vaccines overseas, said Helen Yang of Sinovac, the NASDAQ-listed Chinese biotech firm that rapidly developed the H1N1 swine flu vaccine. “We think the main obstacle is that we have the name of ‘made in China’ still. That is an issue.”
While welcoming WHO‘s approval of China’s drug safety authority, one expert believes China has quite a way to go to gain not only trust but regulatory safety.
“In the U.S., we have supporting institutions such as the market economy, democracy, media monitoring, civil society, as well as a well-developed business ethics code, but these are all still pretty much absent in China,” said Yanzhong Huang, a China health expert at the Council on Foreign Relations. “For China, the challenge is much greater in building a strong, robust regulative capacity.”
Last year, a Chinese newspaper report linked improperly stored vaccines to four children’s deaths in northern Shanxi province, raising nationwide concern. The Health Ministry said the vaccines did not cause the deaths, but some remained skeptical.
Meanwhile, Chinese researchers reported in the New England Journal of Medicine earlier this year that a pandemic flu vaccine given to 90 million people in 2009 was safe.
WHO’s medical officer for immunization, Dr. Yvan Hutin, said WHO’s approval of the Chinese drug regulatory agency is not “a blank check.” Each vaccine will be evaluated rigorously, with WHO and Chinese inspectors given access to vaccine plants on top of other safety checks, he said.
Vaccines have historically been a touchy subject in the Western world, rife with safety concerns and conspiracy theories. Worries about vaccine safety resurfaced in the late 1990s triggered by debate over a claimed association between the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella and autism. The claim was later discredited.
For China, the next few years will be crucial, as biotech companies upgrade their facilities and improve procedures to meet the safety and quality standards — a process that is expected to be costly and challenging. Then they will submit vaccines to the U.N. health agency for approval, which could take a couple of years.
First up is likely to be a homegrown vaccine for Japanese encephalitis, a mosquito-borne disease that can cause seizures, paralysis and death. The vaccine has been used for two decades in China with fewer side effects than other versions. Its manufacturer expects WHO approval for it in about a year. Also in the works are vaccines for polio and diseases that are the top two killers of children — pneumonia and rotavirus, which causes diarrhea.
Vaccines also are a significant part of a $300 million partnership with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation for the development of new health and farming products for poor countries.
China’s entry into this field is important because one child dies every 20 seconds from vaccine-preventable diseases each year. UNICEF, the children‘s agency and the world’s biggest buyer of vaccines, has been in talks with Chinese companies, said its supply director Shanelle Hall. The fund provides vaccines to nearly 60 percent of the world’s children, and last year spent about $757 million.
Worldwide, vaccine sales last year grew 14 percent to $25.3 billion, according to healthcare market research firm Kalorama Information, as drugmakers which face intensifying competition from generic drugs now see vaccines as key areas of growth, particularly in Latin America, China and India.
China’s vaccine makers, some of whom already export in small amounts, are confident they will soon become big players in the field.
“I personally predict that in the next five to 10 years, China will become a very important vaccine manufacture base in the world,” said Wu Yonglin, vice president of the state-owned China National Biotec Group, the country‘s largest biological products maker that has been producing China’s encephalitis vaccine since 1989.
CNBG will invest more than 10 billion yuan ($1.5 billion) between now and 2015 to improve its facilities and systems to meet WHO requirements, Wu said. The company also intends to submit vaccines to fight rotavirus, which kills half a million kids annually, and polio for WHO approval.
Smaller, private companies are also positioning themselves for the global market.
Sinovac is now testing a new vaccine for enterovirus 71, which causes severe hand, foot and mouth disease among children in China and other Asian countries. It is also preparing for clinical trials on a pneumococcal vaccine Yang says could rival Pfizer’s Prevnar, which was the top-selling vaccine worldwide last year with sales of about $3.7 billion.
Pneumococcal disease causes meningitis, pneumonia and ear infection.
“In the short term, everyone sees the exporting opportunities, because outside of China the entire vaccine market still seems to be monopolized by a few Big Pharma (companies),” Yang said.
The entry of Chinese companies is expected to further pressure Western pharmaceutical companies to lower prices. Earlier this year, UNICEF’s move to publicize what drugmakers charge it for vaccines showed that Western drugmakers often charged the agency double what companies in India and Indonesia do.
The aid group Doctors Without Borders criticized the vaccine body GAVI for spending hundreds of millions of dollars on anti-pneumonia vaccines from Western companies, saying it could put its buying power to even better use by fostering competition from emerging manufacturers like those in China.
GAVI’s Schwalbe said the vaccine body has to buy what is available and negotiates hard for steep discounts. “We need to buy vaccines now to save children’s lives now. We can’t wait.”
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Comments (90)
JEANNIEMAC
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:15amWhen my friend was in the hospital, she received daily injections of heparin. Then, she developed red patches with black streaks. A biopsy showed it was a reaction to heparin. The black streaks were dead flesh, and have never really healed. Sometime ago, she read that some imported heparin was contaminated. Unfortunately, more than 2 1/2 years had passed and she could not join the lawsuit. I would not trust anything imported from China, that is to be applied to the body, or ingested.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:26pmUnfortunate but it is not China, but the US pharmaceutical company that chose to have it manufactured there. The result was a reduction in their costs that I bet was not carried through to the price here. As noted in the recent big pharma settlement, there are numerous instances where corporate greed won out over public safety.
Report Post »Ruler4You
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 3:30pmIt’s vitally important to the obama administration to ensure the bio-med and pharmacological industries be dismantled and “redistributed” as a wealth item, to third world countries to show America truly is on the decline.
But this kills two birds with one injection. China won’t need to duplicate efforts by having separate aerosolized chemical weapons of mass destruction program AND a pharmacological vaccination program. They can combine the two and accomplish the primary goal at a fraction of the cost of both.
Report Post »Secret Squirrel
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:49pm.
Report Post »From the country that sold us poison dog food?
What could possibly go wrong?
Gorp
Posted on November 30, 2011 at 1:34amGot that right Squirrel,
Report Post »Not to mention lead painted children’s toys.
What could possibly go wrong?
abbygirl1994
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:13amChinese vaccines can forget anyone in this household ever getting them.. Tell us why they are even getting the job.. oh yes, just put some more American’s out of a job! God help us!
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 1:13pmGod help us is right. This is beyond insane these are the same folks who put lead in our childrens toys, killed thousands of our dogs with their poison dog food, laced and poisoned baby formula killing many babies, oh and let us not forget their morals, lets force abortions on full term mothers who dare to defy the 1 child policy. I guess my family wont be getting accinated any longer.
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 2:41pmI agree with you. I already have had ethical concerns with specific vaccines, but although I don’t have anything against the Chinese people, I don’t trust them to make vaccines.
Report Post »TrueColours
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:07amThis is so stupid. . . I‘m sure it’s some CIA reverse psychology to get the Chinese to believe that we’re not only non threatening but best friends too! In fact, it‘s so so complicated and sophisticated in it’s design that even the American people can’t figure it out. lol Maybe it’s a back channel way of getting critical drug technology to North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela and the rest of China’s proxy stooges that they would never be able to develop themselves.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:54pmNo No No didn’t you hear M. Bachmann alerted us that it is a plot to make all Americans retarded.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:58amHate to break it to all of you but china has a vested interest in preventing disease in its own.They are able to produce quickly, due to need.This is the real reason that their biotech has been set up the way that it is.
Report Post »Tickdog
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:52amhmmm i smell germ warfare coming our way..
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:52amAll the more reason to put our trust in God – I sure will not give it to the Chinese. We are fallen – only the prepared and righteous will survive. I cannot believe what we have allowed ourselves to become – the price paid will be steep.
Report Post »RightUnite
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:51amUmmmmm… No thanks, not interested. Thanks anyway, I would rather do without.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:06amI‘m already refusing the H1N1 because they won’t guarentee me it has no adjuvant ingredients, like mercury. I’m immune compromised due to cancer/radiation treatments and celiac disease. My kids have celiac disease. There is no way any of us will receive any more vaccines. Period. Of course, that’s probably part of their plan, too. I was never paranoid, or a conspiracy theorist until this administration.
Report Post »Nemo13
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:47amBoycott. Pay attention. Demand. The people run this country, if you don’t take the steering wheel away from the nutjobs, you know where they are driving you.
Report Post »BeyondFedup
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:22amBelieve me I will be asking from now on and refusing Chinese vaccines.
Report Post »elosogrande
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:42amNo matter what the product, China has always started out making an acceptable item, and immediately sdtarts cutting costs, until they turn the product into garbage. Why in the world would the American public trust their children’s health to any foreign country?
We have obviously become a nation, not of sheep, but of fools.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:56amI gave my dog, a Lab, food that had been made in China (not that I knew that at the time). He lost weight even when I feed him more. One day he collapsed. Took him to the Vets. They could find nothing wrong with him. I switched him to organic dog food and gave him vitamins. He recovered nicely. So, how could anyone trust a vaccine made in China??????? What the heck is the government and companies doing to America and Americans???????
Report Post »jopmur
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:38amChina is destroying the US without a missile or army. We are like drooling infants who need to be breastfed and can’t even wipe ourselves. The first step in creating jobs should be to ban all imports, period. If you want to buy a toaster, by God, someone in this country is going to have to make it. Need light-bulbs, guess what?. Ban imports for 5 years and we will have to create jobs or do without. Unions also need to be dismantled and banned. They are a big part of job loss in America.
Report Post »NHwinter
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:58amWow, I couldn’t agree more with you. Will it ever happen?
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:06ambrilliant plan there…so are you willing to pay more than $100 for a $10 toaster? or $40 for a $2 light bulb?
With the union demands and the outrageous regulatory climate we have in this country right now – we can’t make products and if we did who could afford to buy them?
Report Post »AxelPhantom
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:37amKay,
If the $100 toaster lasts me for 20 years vs. the $10 toaster that lasts for just 2, yes I would spring for it. However, the experience of many people with US products in the 70‘s and 80’s was that you were paying $100 for a toaster that lasts just 4 years so in the 90′s they opted to buy the $10 toaster.
American companies need to get back to producing quality products that are made by people who give a rip and take some pride in what they do. I always told my kids that I didn’t care if they were doctors or garbage men, as long as they were the best darn doctor or garbage man they could be. We have lost the character of honor in all we do, no matter how lowley the task.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:24pm@AxelPhantom Sir you are 100% correct but let’s look at what is valued in our society. I would argue that honor was lost when the best and the brightest decided that it was how much money you made and not how you made it that matter. It was evident in the junk bond craze in the 80′s, in Enron and countless other corporate scandals and most recently the behavior in Wall St. People chastise Charles Barkley for not being a role model and give too many of the ethical and integrity bankrupt executives a pass. No problem they just donate a couple $ million to the museum, library or theater and they are regarded as civic leaders. The baby boomers who attended college when government underwrote 70% of the cost, now vote down every tax so the government only covers 17% of the cost (Ohio). And the me generation behind them is not much better. We need to regain a sense of citizenship and community and like our grand parents invest in those as much as our own wants.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:31pmYour ban the unions thing would make sense if prices dropped significantly after the jobs were moved by the US pharmaceutical company to China in order to exploit the labor there. However, that is not the case so the living wage paid to the union worker was traded for higher profits, bonuses and returns to investor. Sounds great in the short term. But as you pointed out the long term effects are loss of reasonable paying jobs in the US which ultimately is what undermines our standard of living. Let’s keep in mind management had to agree to union agreements, which they did too willingly during the good times. Its way too easy to just blame unions. Follow the money.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:41pm@kaydeebeau Rather weak and exaggerated position. Doubtful that labor rates and regulation would drive the cost 10 fold. Why not gather some information regarding the reduction in labor rates between the US and China when companies move the jobs and how that translated into lower prices here. There is a balance that must be struck between adequate ROI and living wages in order to achieve a sustainable health economy. China’s economy is fragile because of the lack of a domestic economy. Those who advocate dropping the minimum wage seek to do the same here. Consumption is what drives the economy and that is dependent on adequate levels of discretionary income. All of the villains that people try and name here, unions, regulations, government spending, etc. miss the underlying fact that real wages and real standard of living are going down in the US. As goes that, so goes consumption which is ultimately make China’s economy that more fragile. Our so called trade agreements should have included some requirement for China to phase in a living minimum wage. Something that would have dramatically increased their consumption. Some of which might well have been US made goods, in that they could afford them.
Report Post »ares338
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:37amI will insist on knowing where these vaccines are coming from or I will do without. If I have to die it won’t be from those Chinese Bassturds!
Report Post »philipzhao
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 7:13pmWait a minute. The masses of Chinese people are victims too !
Report Post »sister1_rm
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:34amVaccines from China? NO! China is infamous industrial and international espionage, human rights violations, and poor quality / unsafe products and knock-offs. The nation of China is no friend of the US and not to be trusted. What’s more foreign pharmaceuticals represent a serious national security problem. In my church we have a saying, “Never purchase wine from your enemies”.
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:32amGod said that a nation that forgets Him will turn into a nation with no leaders. It’s leaders will wring their hands like old women at the first sign of trouble They will have no discernment. We seem to be passed that point. How stupid are we that we get our potential enemies to make our medicine? We get a nation that has military people who have talked about having to kill most Americans when they defeat it ……to make room for Chinese. Where is the common sense? Where is the basic will to survive as a nation? We American citizens need to get hold of our government and imprison most of who is in office now. They are not worthy to lead.
Report Post »sclongball
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:32ammight as well get cocked, locked and ready to rock because when the SHTF, it will get ugly fast…..
Report Post »twistin
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:26amWhat are we, complete phuquing idiots?
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:44amIts kinda like we have the illegals here to do the jobs that Americans just wont do… Let me tell ya , hunger is a great motivator to do a job that we just wont do, cut off all the freebies including foodstamps, and then see if there are jobs we just wont do….i think we need to get hungry again….if youre hungry i guarantee you WILL pick fruit or mow lawns or clean hotel rooms or cook in a hot kitcen or roof a house or sweep floors… Forty million out of work ? But jobs Americans just wont do? Bring on the hunger and watch that change overnite !!!
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:19am@Detroit paperboy do you actually believe this stuff or are do you just parrot Rush all day. Jobs Americans won’t take or jobs that individuals choose to hire illegal aliens for that they can pay substandard wages to in cash under the table. Avoiding taxes and any even reasonable employment regulations. The way to end the illegal worker problem in the US is to fine small businesses and individuals who hire them $250,000 per occurrence. It is the individuals and small businesses who participate this type of hiring, cash transactions and similar behavior that reduces their real tax burden who cause tax rates to go up for the legitimate businesses and individuals. It is unfortunate that people divorce capitalism from citizenship and include such behavior as aspects of capitalism. Infrastructure that businesses use cost money, schools that train workers cost money, hospitals and emergency services cost money. Eliminating the minimum wage may benefit the owner or investor, but it will not increase consumption the real driver of the economy and certainly not benefit the community at large. Funny how baby boomers who attended college when states paid 70% of the cost of in state universities, now demand lower taxes so that states only cover 17% of the cost. (Ex. is from Ohio). So they didn’t mind when their parents and the community paid taxes to support the 70% but won’t provide the same to the next generation. It’s all about me thou Right?
Report Post »mamabearCali
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:21amOk–so China who sends us lead laced toys, vitamins that are mostly sawdust, and routinely kills it’s own people without any compunction is now going to make our vaccines. Not only NO, but heck no. I will not permit I or my children to be injected with vaccines made in a country where human life has precious little value. If I cannot be certain that the few vaccines I do agree with are from at minimum from reputable source we won’t do them at all. This is quite serious. Vaccines are serious medicine, you are injecting a substance into the human body past all the normal defenses. To have anything less than a 110% saftey is unacceptable.
Report Post »KangarooJack
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:12amand the backlash resinates…even more parents will not get their children vaccinated and those diseases we once thought erradiated will re-emerge. Hmmm, whooping cough is making a stunning come back in Michigan. Take a stroll in your local cemetery. Just see how many children died so very young not more than 100yrs ago.
Report Post »It’s a matter of trust.
Trust is established over a period of time by repeated actions that can be counted on. Heck, we can KNOW that a person means us harm or good by their repeated ACTIONS. I trust China!
I trust them to include poisons in pet food to reduce cost of disposal of said poisons. I trust them to lace their OWN baby formula with toxins. I trust them to include poisonous metal by- products in the making of children’s jewelry. I trust them to include lead paint in Novelty glasses purchased by McD’s.
I trust that China has ALOT OF SAY in our U.S. Gov’t….after all, they have a vested interest.
newrepublic7
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:17amIf the question is …Could Your Vaccines Soon be ‘Made in China?’
Report Post »The answer is hell no! Not mine. I don’t like or take the ones made here and will NEVER take the chinese commie vax
TEARS FOR AMERICA
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:12amOh but just wait-Obamacare will prop up these commie nations with all glee by demanding pharms use these drugs from a country that hates us…
Report Post »MBN
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:09amLed-painted children’s toys, toxic drywall, poisonous dog food, poisonous baby formula, electronics that work for only a month and then break, etc., etc., etc.
Most importantly, most of the world’s fake vitamins and medicines come from China. They make placebos at best and poison pills (literally) at worse. If China makes the vaccines then I think a lot more parents will stop immunizing their children. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ap-parents-increasingly-opting-out-of-kids-vaccines-but-are-there-consequences/
Report Post »garyM
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:09amYou mean they are not buying vaccine from China already!
Report Post »Detroit paperboy
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:19amTry to set up a small factory in this country to make Flyswatters…. Deal with OSHA,EPA,EEOC, STATE AND LOCAL govt. Insurance ie “ lawyers” just to make a flyswatter in this great nation is impossible, cut govt by75 % and unleash our private sector and we will boom for a hundred years… We are tying our own hands, stop all freebies get rid of minimum wage and slash the govt. Period
Report Post »Countrygirl1362
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:24amI thought vaccines were already made in China or India
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:54am@Leader1776 Ok tiger. But my company has been negotiating with 10 FDA approved facilities in China for the past year. No speculation here champ. Where do you think a large portion of the pills sold in the US are made now. India and China. And take the time to review the Senate transcript of the spokeswoman for the Pharmaceutical Assoc. who when asked why prescription drugs cost more in the US than Canada. Her reply, “Because the US market allows us to price at this level and someone has to pay for the development costs”. The same drugs sold in the US for $10 a pill are sold in Canada for $6 a pill and in Asia for $3 a pill. You can do the math and figure this out on your own.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:04amChina is the model for the New Wold Order.
Resist with every atom of your body, every electron of your mind, and every intangible part of your soul.
Report Post »imsteph
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:58amGood LORD!!!
Report Post »This is just crazy.
CatB
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:03amI agree … people will stop taking the vaccines is my guess .. I would inspect the bottle and see where it was manufactured … for all members of my family .. including my DOG. NO CHINA !!!
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:56amDo you mean the same China that has sent us laced children’ toys, bad dry-wall, and various other laced merchandise?
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:04amYou gotta be kidding me,don’t we make anything anymore? No way would I let me or mine have anything from china injected in our bodies, and I really trust the WHO about as much as I trust obama !
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:08amActually the China that Big Pharma has convinced our government to put FDA offices in to approve their China partners factories. Get in the game people. It is the wealthy and big corporations that benefit from exploiting the workers in China, not the American people. Their costs go down dramatically but they don’t reduce the price in a corresponding manner. China doesn’t come here and take our jobs. The CEOs or big corporations and the wealthy send them there.
Report Post »bhelmet
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:15amHey JROOK, now ask yourself why that is the case.
Report Post »Leader1776
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:23am@JRook
Report Post »Come back and post when you have a bit of knowledge of healthcare and the global pharmaceutical environment. Until then keep your rabid speculation to yourself.
JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:59am@bhelmet Ok Mr. Wizard let me guess your gonna say the unions. So in your mind it is better for the US if workers were paid $5 a day like those exploited in other countries so CEOs and investors can make above average returns. That mindset is so ignorant has to be laughable. The US doesn’t receive 1/10th. the benefits from our so called free trade agreements because the Chinese worker cannot afford to buy products from anybody let alone the US. Our free trade agreements have merely provided additional cheap labor. But as real wages and the standard of living falls in the US, this strategy will be shown to be nothing more than a short term transfer of wealth, benefiting a small group of players at the expense of the economic well being of the country.
Report Post »JRook
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:07am@Leader1776 Really. Tell you what pick any subject area relative to healthcare and I will debate you into the ground. Our health care system is the next industry to blow up. Medicare and Medicaid have become just another federal/state ATM for big pharma and other medical equipment manufacturers. Our health care system is better charted by the gains of the medical industrial complex more than the overall health of Americans. Take the time to check out our health rankings in the world. Similar to us liking wars, we like sick people not healthy ones. Consider the work of Dr. Edelstein who has stopped and reversed heart disease through diet rather than $250,000 heart surgeries. How is it that Japan has the healthiest population in the world, but manages that with 1/4th. of the surgeries. Tell you what, you gain some knowledge and talk to me.
Report Post »BurntHills
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:55amoh joy. the Chinese are killing our dogs with their poisonous dog foods and dog treats, their lead-laced toys and candies for our kids, and now medical vaccines for US AMERICANS ?!
Report Post »ProbIemSoIver
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:05amCould Your Vaccines Soon be ‘Made in China?’
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My vaccines?????
I don’t do vaccines.
I know better than to fall into their, “we are here to protect you”, BS.
Report Post »I will keep by body strong by allowing it’s antibodies to keep working the way god made it.
Vaccines are created by those in power to manipulate and control their minions and sheeple,
Not to mention the drugs devastating side effects, and the global elite’s nefarious hidden agendas.
Denicet
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:34amhttp://vactruth.com/2011/11/15/5-ways-doctors-seduce-mothers/?mid=52
Report Post »JLGunner
Posted on November 29, 2011 at 9:52amUnions are killing every other industry……
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