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Court Martial of Army ‘Birther’ Continues for Second Day

FORT MEADE, Md. (The Blaze/AP) — The court martial of an Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questioned President Barack Obama’s eligibility for office will continue for a second day in a military court in Maryland.

On Tuesday, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin of Greeley, Colo., pleaded guilty to one of two charges against him. The charge included disobeying an order to meet with a superior and disobeying an order to report to Fort Campbell in Kentucky. Lakin faces up to 18 months in prison and dismissal from the Army when he’s sentenced on that charge.

A military jury will decide Lakin’s eventual sentence, but Lakin won’t be able to raise the topic he wanted to as part of his original defense: whether Obama was born in the U.S. and therefore can serve as commander in chief. That’s because in September, AOL News reports, a military judge ruled that whether Obama is qualified under the U.S. Constitution to hold office is not legally relevant in Lakin’s case.

On a YouTube video, Lakin explains his position, saying that Obama’s birth certificate should be easy to produce and he had “no choice” but to disobey “illegal” orders:

AOL News reports on the controversy surrounding the birth certificate:

Officials in Hawaii say they have seen and verified Obama’s original 1961 birth certificate, which is on record with that state. But birthers have not been satisfied with that assurance or the “Certification of Live Birth” Obama has released. The certification is a digital document that is a record of a person’s birth in the state, but the certificate does not list the name of the hospital where Obama’s mother gave birth or the physician who delivered him.

CNN’s Anderson Cooper hosted a panel of experts on Tuesday night to discuss the issue, where one expert said the birther argument is “irrelevant” in this case:

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  • Barb1954
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:05am

    In THIS particular case, a MILITARY case NOT civilian, the burden of PROOF lies WITH Obama…..NOT the officer.

    And……nobody seems to mention that this guy is WILLING to spend time in a MILITARY PRISON over his belief. I’d much rather see someone STAND UP for what they believe than stradle the fence. I say HERE HERE to this guy!

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  • Conserving Ink
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:04am

    There are several items on a birth certificate that he may be hiding.

    1. WHERE he was born (may not be American.)
    2. WHEN he was born (may not be old enough.)
    3. To WHOM he was born (he’s lied about his lineage.)
    4. His NAME (we already know its been change a few times.)

    But he has to be hiding at least one of these to spend so much effort at it.
    ______________________________________________________________
    http://conserving-ink.blogspot.com/2010/12/political-flocking.html

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    • BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 9:30am

      You forgot his race. He’s not really black you know. That was just a rouse to get the black vote. Seriously, this makes total sense given all the other things that are presently upside down in this country.

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  • Greg the Great
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:02am

    When Obama, releases his College transcripts, and other records. We could put this all to rest. When BO is out of office we will see what he hid from the public.

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    • Oldphoto678
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 10:35am

      No you will not. Never gonna happen. You‘ve already seen everthing that we’re ever gonna let you see. PERIOD!!!

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  • Tha-Anti-Social-ist
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:59am

    Where he was born is irrelevant.

    now you’re under control, And now you do what they told ya.

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  • rightthinker
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:58am

    The question the MSM AND Glenn Beck are not asking is “Why has Barack Obama spent over $2 million to keep his long form birth certificate, medical records, college records and passport information sealed and hidden from our view?”

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:04am

      because he won
      d’uh!
      :D

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    • ILoveGlenn
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:18am

      @Rightthinker

      On the issue of college records, they are not qualifications of becoming a president. How come people didn’t have a problem when George W. Bush refused to release his college transcripts?

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  • Tha-Anti-Social-ist
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:54am

    yea who cares where he is born that doesn’t matter.

    now you’re under control, And now you do what they told ya.

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  • po-boy
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:47am

    His orders did not come directly from the president. I do not like having Obama as president either.
    When in the military you “must” follow orders. PERIOD. He must be punished.
    I truly believe the law must be changed. If you have never served in the military you can not be commander in chief.

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    • Nutthuggers
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:56am

      Well PoBoy “must” and “period” have never and will never be used in the same sentence in my vocabulary. If and when the time comes where Obama tells the military they “must” enter American towns to control populations, they “must” detain civilians, etc… we will be thanking God that brave people like this man stood up and said No! I get sick to death of German references but…imagine if more soldiers in Germany would have said No….

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    • BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 9:19am

      I agree with your position that all candidates vying for the position of Commander in Chief should have served some time in the military.

      Jury is still out on Lakin. I am not a birther, but would not be surprised if it is revealed sometime later that Obama was not born in the US. That said, there are plenty of other arguments that would make me pause to serve under him. Primarily, it is Obama’s neglect of the US constitution. There can be NO argument that he is not doing his sworn duty to protect and defend. If I am a serviceman/women, this would be a huge conflict because as such you are also sworn to protect and defend the constitution. How can you take orders (regardless of the chain of command) from a superior who obviously does not have the same goal as you.

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  • ETOOL USMC RECON
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:47am

    As a 28 year Corps vet I can appreciate the Lt Col’s position. He is taking a HUGE risk; with a conviction comes a felony conviction and a loss of license to practice here in the US.
    Something is inherently wrong with this situation in that bin obama should have been vetted during the primary. His party decided to cover this up and probably thought that WE THE PEOPLE were TOO STUPID to find out that he may not be qualified. The dems have abandoned the people of the US long ago.
    The dems and bin obama have spent north of $2 million not releasing a birth certificate; so something is REALLY WRONG WITH THIS WHOLE THING.
    The problem now is that if OUR CONSTITUTION was adhered to then he would be removed without proof….and the inner city would use this as yet another excuse to riot and loot.
    But the CONSTITUTION should be and needs to be applied here…..PERIOD.
    Why would a Dr. risk all for nothing???

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  • ILoveGlenn
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:42am

    Mmhhh. Next time I’m gonna tell my kids not to work on their assignment paper till their teachers provide full proof that they are qualified.

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    • blanco
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:48am

      I know you are being sarcastic, but, yeah, some of these teachers NEED to prove that are capable—Dallas Independent School District is FULL of incompetent teachers!!!!!

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:57am

      If you are in New Jersey, its not a bad idea really

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    • libh8er
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 2:32pm

      They probably aren’t qualified

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  • Cuthalu
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:41am

    He is right about this, a “certificate of live birth” is not the same thing as a “birth certificate”. I am not sure why those who which to dismiss the issue pretend those two types of documents are the same, they are not.

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  • Oil_Ranger
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:39am

    There is no motivation for him (Obama) to resolve the issue. it creates a distraction, discredits his opposers, and gives the progs ammunition to shoot at the conservatives….afterall how could this happen in the USA?
    With that being said, I commend this man for standing up for his beliefs and fighting for our country! it‘s a shame he won’t be treated fairly or able to prove his own defense.

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  • AzDebi
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:37am

    Not a Birther here…but does anyone know why he just didn’t present his certificate along with all of his college transcripts, etc.? I personally think it was just his way of getting in the face of the American people and simply saying, “The RULES just don’t apply to me”…and “The WAY things have been are just not the WAY they are going to be from now on”…sickening!

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    • Your Name Here
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:59am

      As Glenn has shown many times in the past this is just another way to make the population distrust the government so they will call for someting new.
      I say we call for a new President!

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    • ETOOL USMC RECON
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:00am

      Here’s the problem:
      The scholarship that bin obama recieved when he attended Occidental College was for FOREIGN STUDENTS ONLY…..NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS.
      So he either LIED THEN OR HE IS A LIVING LIE.
      I prefer the later.
      Nothing has been released….an easy way for the dems to “create” an illusion that they would call his past…..birth cert, transcpts, etc.

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  • NoBamaZombie
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:34am

    Sentence all to indoctrination camps who dare to question the wisdom of our anointed one, Great Father Muslim Obama!! Bow to your new father….lol!

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  • EP46
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:32am

    Did he want a birth certificate for Steve Barry Barack Hussein Dunham Soetoro Obama or who ?????

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  • bolec slodkie
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:32am

    This is not good. The next time a soldier decides not to shoot a civilian can he or she disobey the order an have a judge declare it to be constitutioal with no other basis than “you should have followed the order first.”

    The judge further denied any effort to cause document release because it “may embarase the president.“ Could a jugde deny evidece that an action is unlawful because it ”may embarase the commander?”

    This is bad law and bad prececence.

    FOR THE RECORD: LTC Larkin did ask the chain of command to verify constitutioal eligibility to serve as POTUS. Somewhere up the chain political expedience exceded concience and constitutioal Law.

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:43am

      Lets see.
      I want to lead a group of surgeons to perform a quadruple bypass on a patient.
      I’m not a surgeon, I’m not a heart specialist.
      Infact, I’m not even a medical doctor. But my neighbor is ready to verify that I ‘ve watched many episodes of ER and I’m well qualified to be a heart surgeon.
      Now, what seems to be the problem with the patient, his family, the doctors and nurses ? They must be racists or something.
      I‘m not showing them any proof because I’m qualified. Its my right to perform the surgery.
      Hmmmmmmmmm

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  • cheezwhiz
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:31am

    The court martial of an Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questioned President Barack Obama’s eligibility for office will continue for a second day in a military court in Maryland………….
    a military judge ruled that whether Obama is qualified under the U.S. Constitution to hold office is not legally relevant in Lakin’s case.
    ————————–

    HUH ?

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    • Paul G
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:17am

      That’s what I was just thinking…
      Maybe going to higher court?

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    • moreteaplease
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 1:25pm

      Exactly! Tell me this judge isn’t covering for Obama. Since when have our military personnel been required to follow illegal orders?
      So basically they‘re telling this guy to do as he is told and don’t ask questions. That seems to be the platform that this administration operates on.

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  • Thecableguy
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:30am

    Whats up with this, these guys were treated like heroes by the dems when GB was president.

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  • StonyBurk
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:30am

    A sad,sad day. The test of wills proved Judge Lind rules in her Military Court and the President is protected from any embarrassment of having to show he is eligible. Being protected in his FRAUD
    he has a bunch in Congress willing to defend ANY LIE He is not cannot show he is a Natural born citizen and therefore eligible for the Office. But Congress prefers to defend the LIE-and the LIAR-and I suppose seeing them finally admit (of sorts) that he is inept ought count for something.Congress remains irretrievably broken.We are as Rome in our decline.

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  • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:30am

    Terrence Lakin is either a coward or a crackpot. Take your pick.

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    • TRUTHSEEKINGAL
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:43am

      Lt.Col Lakin is not a coward . He already completed one tour in Afganistan.

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 12:47pm

      @zombie, your are dilusional and ill bred

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    • ZOMBIE JESUS LOVES ME
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 2:07pm

      TRUTHSEEKINGAL, he is a coward. What about the brave men and woman still fighting well beyond their first tour?

      NOROOMFORSOCIALISMHERE, tell that to the woman whose putrid womb spewed you forth into this world.

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  • GeauxAlready
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:29am

    After all this time and all the controversy. One would think Obama would have stepped up and put this to rest.

    Cause is you is, or is you ain’t, an American? Own it Obama stand there with your Birth Certificate in hand.
    Put up or shut up. END THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • PatriotDaze
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:04am

      It is to Obama’s advantage to keep this going…..because it makes the birthers look like loons. Why put an end to THAT dynamic??

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:19am

      It is to Obama’s advantage to keep this going…..because it makes the birthers look like loons. Why put an end to THAT dynamic??

      —————–
      Strife, turmoil, uncertainty, distrust, chaos, paranoia, fear………..which marxist revolutionary will not like to keep them going. Afterall, they worked so hard for so long to achieve all this

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    • Nutthuggers
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:43am

      I believe the chorus of people yelling for some of Obamas records is getting louder and louder. People rightfully don’t have any respect for Obama. Everyday this continues he looks worse and the “birthers”, of which I am on,e sound perfectally sane considering the proof.

       
  • 1911VALOR
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:23am

    Let‘s trust a bunch of liberals from Hawaii that the’ve“seen it”.

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    • blanco
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:46am

      I wish TheBlaze had a “like” button!

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 10:39am

      1911 you are right, these people have more power than we can ever imagine
      they can have things covered up like Goldmen Sachs AIG CDO fraud or
      enron, weapons of mass destruction Obama will show a really good fake
      and that will be the end of it.

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  • NeoKong
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:22am

    The COLB is the GED of birth certificates.
    You have one or the other but you cannot have both.
    Obama is hiding something and everybody knows it.

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    • EP46
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:36am

      Sorry, incorrect for some states, don’t know about all. When my daughter was born the HOSPITAL issued a Certificate of Live Birth with her footprint and my thumb print. After about 6 weeks we had to go to the Court House and pay for the Birth Certificate. Two totally different documents, and each required different facts pertaining to the birth. The Certificate of Live Birth shows a child born. The Birth Certificate is a legal document used throughout your lifetime to meet certain requirements.

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    • NeoKong
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:42am

      EP46
      Hawaii is different then.
      COLBs were issued to people who did not have the original document.

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    • dawgPound
      Posted on December 22, 2010 at 1:39am

      Ohio gives you colb, then you obtain the b.c. yourself. Anyway, I think most blazers are just mad because a black guy is president. You won’t admit it, but i was once a bigot like you people. I know how you think and talk when you are around each other. I grew up and got an education and put that stuff behind me. Don’t spend your lives following peple like beck, he’s just out to make a buck and found a vast array of people to follow him and buy his crap.

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  • GeauxAlready
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:21am

    Add your comments

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  • GeauxAlready
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:21am

    I’d have a hard time fighting for Obama too. Be afarid he would bend over and I would get hit.

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  • guyperram
    Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:20am

    I am not a “birther” but it sure seems funny that Barry can’t/won’t produce such a relevant document. I also don‘t see how this is not relevant to this guy’s case. If Berry wasn‘t born in country then he can’t be president.
    Of course I do realize that the justice involved is being controlled by the administration.

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:35am

      It’s simple, Obama is a Muslim and this guy is being made an example of.

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:38am

      Jeffy Toobin has proven many times he is not credible. He is one of the most biased “experts” there is.
      I recall an instance he was assigned to cover and report on a case, but had to be awakened from his courtroom nap.
      As far as the birther thing goes, there are so many documents of BO’s past which have been sealed, that its obvious he is hiding SOMETHING.

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    • cheezwhiz
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:45am

      Jeffy Toobin has proven many times he is not credible. He is one of the most biased “experts” there is.
      ————–

      He is a Journo-Lister.

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    • Stuck_in_CA
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:52am

      @CHEEZWHIZ
      “He is a Journo-Lister.”
      Ahh… I forgot. You’re right!

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    • APatriotFirst
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:09am

      I have always wondered if at some point his mother had not given up her US citizenship before Obama was born. Which would make him a citizen somewhere, but not of the US.
      Why the big deal of not showing the birth certificate unless you have something to hide? And being hand-picked by Soros to run the USA, you most definately have things to hide.

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    • Polwatcher
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:10am

      This military surgeon is getting railroaded by Obama’s kangaroo military judge. Obama most certainly is directly responsible for this kangaroo justice.

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    • Sinista Mace
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:43am

      This guy has big steel cajones for refusing illegal orders.

      I wonder how many other servicemen have the cajones to refuse illegal orders…

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    • FED-UP-AND-READY-TO-TAKE-ACTION
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:47am

      Does anyone really think he will ever show anything proving his place of birth? If the story of him not being born on US soil is true then anyone who was there and “knew” the truth, notice I said knew and not knows…………have been removed so to speak. Come on people, this is the President of the United States. Does anyone think the “administration” would really allow anything that could prove the question everyone is asking to remain out there?…………………………VICTORY OR DEATH

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    • Sheepdog911
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:51am

      If the document is the reason why this idiot refused to deploy, how is it that the document which is prima facia evidence of his birth in Hawaii, not relevant to this issue. Produce the stupid piece of paper and end this crap. Move along people, there’s nothing to see. If these “Birthers” are such idiots, prove it and move on.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 8:52am

      @ Quigley

      Disagree. These guys get their orders at different times. It could have been 3 months ago that they got their orders and decided to raise the birth issue, not to mention the fact that trials take time to put on. One doesn’t disobey an order then get sent to Courts Martial the next day.

      It could also be that the discovery phase was being drawn out due to the refusal of one side to present evidence in question, if you catch my meaning.

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    • @leftfighter
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 9:14am

      …now as to a birther issue being irrelevent? Patently rediculous.

      Even if the order came from the Army Joint Chief, General Casey, all orders come by the authority of PotUS. Yes, there are minor orders issued every day for levels well below the Pentagon, but we’re not talking about minor orders. Remember, this is a mobilization order into a war zone- that’ll be pertinent information in a paragraph or so.

      It also raises an issue as to the legitimacy of the war in general, as executed by Obama. If it‘s ever discovered that Obama was never a legitimate PotUS it’s possible that through no fault of their own, everyone who’s fought in either war since he took office is a war criminal.

      My reasoning: Under the Geneva Conventions, soldiers have a responsibility to refuse unlawful orders, especially when said orders result in the loss of life (like in a *war zone.*). Now I ask: What lawful order can come from an unlawful Commander-in-Chief? That would make our Nobel Peace Prize winner a war criminal, and since the “I was just following orders” defense will not work (see Nouremberg), our troops could be totally screwed at a war crimes trial as well.

      Scary thought, huh?

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    • usconcerned
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 9:25am

      To be a legitimate president, a Obama must be a natural born citizen. A person is a natural born citizen if he was born within the USA and both (!) his parents were the US citizens at the moment of his birth.

      Even if short-form COLB posted by Obama on internet is genuine (which is highly unlikely), Obama is not a natural born citizen because his father never was the US citizen.

      Therefore, Obama is not legible to be the USA president. He cannot be a commander-in-chief, and his orders are not lawful.

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    • CultureWarriors
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 9:27am

      The judge in the case said the birth certificate was not relevant to the case so he wouldn’t subpoena it. Really? That judge should be in jail.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8DnA4Ro9tQ

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    • dkhartman
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 9:59am

      GUY – I asked the same question. How on earth is it not important for the case?

      Another question. OF ALL THE THINGS why couldn’t ASSANGE LEAK THIS? Geez if he REALLY wanted to us a favor he’d given us the BC and ended this.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 10:32am

      EVERY THING IS CLASSIFIED, but your life is an open book for the world to see.
      http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/06/security-cam-app-turns-anyones-iphone-into-a-spy-camera/
      just think if Barry’s childhood friends would have had iphones ?

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 10:34am

      Thank God for this man.

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    • kryptonite
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 11:26am

      @USCONCERNED
      Unfortunately, there are different interpretations of what “natural born citizen” means. The Constitution needs to be amended so as to state in incontestable terms that a person is eligible to the office of President of the United States only if at the time of birth both parents are American citizens and do not hold dual citizenship.

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 1:03pm

      He was raised his whole life as a communist and communist are atheist by design.

      Hussein uses Islam to cover his tracks but is entirely all about BLACK Repatriation Theology; take the white mans money and country and live like his daddy and grand-daddy in Kenya. Though his granddaddy murdered a lot of his fellow countryman as commie.

      He is really out of balance since his mother and father left him like an unwanted child for the pursuit of Communism. I guess I would take it out on someone else too. Of course the devils disciple Wright, gave him 20 yrs of theology indoctrination on taking money from whites.

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    • drucifer667
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 1:39pm

      Why does it seem funny? He doesn‘t produce his Birth Certificate because so long as he doesn’t, the berfers keep making fools of themselves, and he gets to tar all opposition with the same “RAAAAACIST!” brush. Seems pretty simple to me.

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    • blackegg
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 1:55pm

      “Not relevant in the case” !?
      This is the case!

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    • Bobert
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 2:48pm

      For the sake of argument, let us all agree that Mr. Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and this is 100% fact. This fact would certainly make him a US Citizen. But, pursuant to Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution, would he still meet the requirement that the President be a “natural born Citizen”? Please note, that I did not ask if this makes him a US Citizen, or a naturalized Citizen, or a US Citizen purusant to the 14th Amendment, but a “natural born Citizen”.

      At the official Obama campaign website – Fightthesmears.com – just below the Certification of Live Birth (COLB) – the following admission was also published:

      When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children.

      This was republished from a Factcheck.org, article which further stated:

      In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

      The constitutional question presented is whether a person born with citizenship in and allegiance to a foreign nation can be considered a “natural born citizen” of the United States as required by Article II, Section 1, Clause 5.

      The current U.S. State Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual discusses problems associated with dual citizenship:

      7 FAM 081: U.S. Policy on Dual Nationality:

      (e)While recognizing the existence of dual nationality, the U.S. Government does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Dual nationality may hamper efforts by the U.S. Government to provide diplomatic and consular protection to individuals overseas. When a U.S. citizen is in the other country of their dual nationality, that country has a predominant claim on the person.

      This helps explain why the definition of “natural born citizen” as one born in the nation to parents who are citizens makes perfect sense in that such a person will not be infected by dual-allegiance problems. If the parents are citizens, neither will confer allegiance to a foreign nation. Additionally, if one is born on soil foreign to the parents, that nation is likely to recognize the person as a citizen. Owing allegiance to more than one nation is an unnatural circumstance of citizenship.

      While the Constitution requires representatives, senators and presidents to be citizens, Article II, Section 1, additionally requires that the president’s citizenship be “natural born.” A natural born citizen is not a higher level of citizen. “Natural born” simply describes a circumstance of citizenship which is established, and only established, at one’s birth.

      Again, there are multiple circumstances that create “citizens at birth.” Some require a federal statute for citizenship while others rely on the 14th Amendment. Had the framers of the 14th Amendment sought to deem every person born in the United States a natural born citizen, they certainly could have included such plain, unequivocal language. But they didn’t.

      History of the term “natural born Citizen”

      In 1790, the first Congress deemed all persons born of two United States citizen parents abroad to be “natural born citizens,“ but the words ”natural born” were repealed in 1795. Congress never again legislated the definition of “natural born citizen,” and no United States statute currently defines the term or even mentions it.

      The strict constitutional requirements were enacted to exclude citizens for the sake of national security in safeguarding the office from inexperience and from persons who may not have sole allegiance. It appears the clause was first introduced for constitutional consideration in a letter from John Jay to George Washington dated July 25, 1787:

      Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

      Jay underlined “born” which signifies the importance of allegiance from birth. The “natural born” requirement renders irrelevant that a person – born to foreign or dual allegiance – may not have renewed his foreign citizenship upon reaching maturity. One is either eligible to be President at birth, or one will never be eligible.

      To put it another way, Article II of our Constitution has a lot to say about how a would-be President is born. “Natural born Citizen” status requires not only birth on U.S. soil but also birth to parents who are both U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization. This unity of jus soli (soil) and jus sanguinis (descent) in the child at the time of birth assures that the child is born with sole allegiance (obligation of fidelity and obedience to government in consideration for protection that government gives (U.S. v. Kuhn, 49 F.Supp.407, 414 (D.C.N.Y)) and loyalty to the United States and that no other nation can lay any claim to the child’s (later an adult) allegiance and loyalty. Indeed, under such birth circumstances, no other nation can legally or morally demand any military or political obligations from that person. The child, as he/she grows, will also have a better chance of not psychologically struggling with conflicted allegiance and loyalty to any other nation.

      Obama’s father was a foreign national at the time of Barack Obama’s birth. Obama is the child of an British father who was in the US on a foreign student visa to study in Hawaii. Thus, President Obama may be a US Citizen, but he is not and never could be a natural born Citizen based on these facts.

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    • americanfirst
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 3:31pm

      Okay for clarity – if you think it “seems funny that Barry can’t/won’t produce such a relevant document.“ and you also ”don‘t see how this is not relevant to this guy’s case.” and additionally feel that ..” If Berry wasn‘t born in country then he can’t be president.”

      ..then you’re a birther.

      Like me!

      Simple fact is – Terry Lakin is right. This idiot is not legally qualified to serve as President in the United States. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT! EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IS WHY WE CAN‘T WIKILEAK HIS FREAKIN’ BIRTH CERTIFICATE OR OTHER DOCUMENTS!!
      NOOOOBODY is that naive!!
      The simple strategy is to label and ridicule anyone on the “right” side of a moral argument. In this case“ birther”. So, turn the strategy on them and where the label -as a badge of honor!
      I AM A BIRTHER – I AM PROUD TO NOT BE LABELED OTHERWISE WITH THE a) severely intellectually challenged or b) the tragically coward or c) the treasonous.

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    • Mairi Kay
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 7:07pm

      It doesn’t matter if he WAS born here, Daddy was not a U.S. citizen, and he was a British Subject at birth. He admitted it at his own website.
      Also, the image of the COLB does NOT contain the DHOH’s official seal:
      http://obamasgarden.wordpress.com/
      The online version has an “incised” seal with two dots. The “Official Seal” is “embossed” with two stars. Go look for yourself. This rat is as big a fraud as the purported COLB.
      It’s all beginning to unravel, and Patriotic Americans are NOT going to sit still for what just Happend to LtC. Lakin!

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    • ebill
      Posted on December 15, 2010 at 10:49pm

      It‘s amazing that Barry can’t produce his original Birth Certificate “long form” and put an end to all the mystery. Instead he spends taxpayers dollars to prevent the release. All he needs to do is release the document. Why? Maybe he can’t produce the original document because it does not exist. Maybe it does and he was born in Hawaii like he says. But until it is released, it will always remain an unanswered question. Congress could pass an amendment to require that any candidate produce the document. I’d make it retroactive. If he was found a fraud, any executive orders or anything with his signature would become fraudulent.

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    • Seeker59
      Posted on December 16, 2010 at 5:07am

      Please, please, please have Glen Beck read this comment. Mr. Beck, I have been a supporter of yours for more than two years now. I am very grateful for what you did for 9-12 project. I believe you are a Christian and generally are a patriot. Right now, sir, you are no patriot. You know that Obama is not eligible to be President of the USA and that our Country has been taken over by these thugs, promoting Islam. Sir as a Christian and a professed Patriot, how can you sit back and do nothing. Your even promoting Gov. Jindal and you know that he is not eligible for POTUS. What is wrong with you? I know people are being killed all over the place. Many of them masked as suicides and we all know better. Just look at two of Ill’s mayors for an example. What about Ronni Chasen. How about Jim Miller. You are standing by, for some unknown reason. Please for the love of God, stand up and tell us why you are afraid to cover these stories. People are so upset about your and Fox’s failure to cover the Lankin story fairly, that you are about to face a fall even bigger than what the Dem’s faced in November. People know a phony when they see one. Stand up, speak the truth and help us take our country back or you sir will be seen as nothing but a blow hard and will fade away into oblivian.

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