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Cover-Up: Mexico Admits Troops Killed U.S. Man

Cover Up: Mexico Admits Troops Killed U.S. Man

AP

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Joseph Proctor told his girlfriend he was popping out to the convenience store in the quiet Mexican beach town where the couple had just moved, intending to start a new life.

The next morning, the 32-year-old New York native was dead inside his crashed van on a road outside Acapulco. He had multiple bullet wounds. An AR-15 rifle lay in his hands.

His distraught girlfriend, Liliana Gil Vargas, was summoned to police headquarters, where she was told Proctor had died in a gunbattle with an army patrol. They claimed Proctor — whose green van had a for-sale sign and his cell phone number spray-painted on the windows — had attacked the troops. They showed her the gun.

His mother, Donna Proctor, devastated and incredulous, has been fighting through Mexico’s secretive military justice system ever since to learn what really happened on the night of Aug. 22.

It took weeks of pressuring U.S. diplomats and congressmen for help, but she finally got an answer, which she shared with The Associated Press.

Three soldiers have been charged with killing her son. Two have been charged with planting the assault rifle in his hands and claiming falsely that he fired first, according to a Mexican Defense Department document sent to her through the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City.

It is at least the third case this year in which soldiers, locked in a brutal battle with drug cartels, have been accused of killing innocent civilians and faking evidence in cover-ups.

Such scandals are driving calls for civilian investigators to take over cases that are almost exclusively handled by military prosecutors and judges who rarely convict one of their own.

“I hate the fact that he died alone and in pain an in such an unjust way,” Donna Proctor, a Queens court bailiff, said in a telephone interview with the AP. “I want him to be remembered as a hardworking person. He would never pick up a gun and shoot someone.”

President Felipe Calderon has proposed a bill that would require civilian investigations in all torture, disappearance and rape cases against the military. But other abuses, including homicides committed by on-duty soldiers, would mostly remain under military jurisdiction. That would include the Proctor case and two others this year in which soldiers were accused of even more elaborate cover-ups.

The first involved two university students killed in March during a gunbattle between soldiers and cartel suspects that spilled into their campus in the northern city of Monterrey. Mexico’s National Human Rights Commission said soldiers destroyed surveillance cameras, planted guns on the two young men and took away their backpacks in an attempt to claim they were gang members. The military admitted the two were students after university officials spoke out.

In that case, military and civilian federal prosecutors are conducting a joint investigation into the killings. The military, however, is in charge of the investigation into the allegation of crime-scene tampering.

In the second case, two brothers aged 5 and 9 were killed in April in their family’s car in the northern state of Tamaulipas. The rights commission said in a report that there was no gunbattle and that soldiers fired additional rounds into the family car and planted two vehicles at the scene to make it look like a crossfire incident. The Defense Department stands by its explanation and denies there was a cover-up.

The rights commission, an autonomous government institution, has received more than 4,000 abuse complaints, including torture, rape, killings and forced disappearances, since Calderon deployed tens of thousands of soldiers in December 2006 to destroy drug cartels in their strongholds.

The commission has recommended action in 69 of those cases, and the Defense Department says it is investigating 67.

So far military courts have passed down only one conviction for an abuse committed since Calderon intensified the drug war four years ago: an officer who forced a new subordinate in his unit to drink so much alcohol in a hazing ritual that he died. He was sentenced to four months in prison.

Another officer was convicted, then cleared on appeal, in the Aug. 3, 2007 death of Fausto Murillo Flores. Soldiers arrested Murillo and two other men in the northern state of Sonora, accusing them of arms possession. However, they only presented the two other men to the media and did not immediately acknowledge ever having had Murillo in custody.

Murillo’s body was later found by the side of a road and the military acknowledged having detained him.

The Defense Department has not explained why the officer was acquitted.

The military justice system operates in near total secrecy, choosing what to publicly reveal and when.

While privately informing Proctor’s family about his case, Defense Department officials have publicly refused to discuss it at all. The day after his death, Guerrero state prosecutors announced to reporters that Proctor was killed after attacking a military convoy.

His mother, angry that she kept reading news reports with that version of the events, has asked Defense Department officials to reveal publicly that soldiers were charged with planting the gun on her son. The department replied, in writing, that it would only do so after the soldiers had been sentenced.

Defense Department spokesman Col. Ricardo Trevilla told the AP to file a freedom of information petition. IT DID but was rebuffed with the explanation that information on the ongoing investigation was “classified as reserved for a period of 12 years.”

Proctor’s family, meanwhile, still doesn’t understand why he was killed.

Donna Proctor said her son hated guns so much that he rejected her suggestion that he follow in her footsteps and become a court bailiff, a job that requires carrying a sidearm.

Instead, he become a construction worker and eventually started his own business in Atlanta, Georgia. Last year, he moved to Mexico’s central state of Puebla with his Mexican-born wife and their young son, Giuseppe. The marriage foundered and his wife returned to Georgia.

Proctor stayed behind with his son and eventually met and fell in love with Liliana Gil Vargas, a waitress and mother of four. After a vacation in Barra de Coyuca, the beach town outside of Acapulco, the couple decided to move there. Proctor was saving up top to open a restaurant.

According to the document sent to his mother, the soldiers tried to stop Proctor and inspect his vehicle. They claim he fled, prompting one of the soldiers to shoot at him, hitting his car. The soldiers chased down the car and fired again, “wounding the driver who nonetheless continued to drive away, fleeing, crashing the car three kilometers down that road,” the document said.

A superior officer in the patrol told the battalion commander what happened. The battalion commander sent another officer to the scene with the AR-15 rifle “in order to be placed in the vehicle, using the hands of the deceased to try to simulate an attack against military personnel,” the document says.

For the family, there are many unanswered questions. Did Proctor really flee? Why would he have refused to stop?

Donna Proctor said he complained about being shaken down by Mexican police and soldiers but also spoke of being friendly with soldiers on the base near the home he was building in Barra de Coyuca.

“He was 32. He loved life. He loved his son and he wanted to work hard to give him something,” she said.

Donna Proctor said Mexican Defense Department officials visited her recently in Long Island and compensated her for the cost of flying her son back to the U.S. and the funeral. She said she told them she wanted justice — and for the world to know what really happened.

“I told them I had no intention of this being the end of it,” she said.

Comments (93)

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  • Slowman101
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:31pm

    The entire Mexican government is corrupt.

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  • DevotedDad
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:01pm

    For every one case that the truth is exposed, there is almost certainly hundreds, if not thousands more, that will never be revealed.

    Where is the Justice Department on this one?

    Are they condemning these actions or are they remaining silent?

    Yeah….

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  • Billsocal
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:48pm

    The Hispanic Culture is violent and corrupt everywhere you go in Latin American. Just look at how violent the illegal Hispanic gangs are in the US. I don’t feel sorry about the young American being killed. When you do stupid expect bad things to happen. Didn‘t him and his girlfriend know they aren’t allowed to own any land or buildings in Mexico.
    What we have now is this. Mexican drones crashing in areas in El Paso Texas, Mexican government helicopters hovering over a US official’s house. Mexican army Humvees on US soil 15 to 20 miles from the borders. Doesn’t that sound a lot like we are in a undeclared war with Mexico right now. Remember one of the reason we enter WW1 was because of the Zimmerman Telegram. The Germany promised Mexico they could have the American Southwest back if they came into the war on their side. The Mexican allows a lie to be taught to the Mexican school children that the US stole the American Southwest from Mexico. When in fact Mexico lost the Mexican-American War with American troops holding Mexico City when the peace treaty was signed. The US paid the Mexican government $42 million in 1840 dollars for the American Southwest. Does that sound like stealing to you. It sound more like the US being extremely fair in a peace treaty. If it had been a European nation they would have taken the land without paying any money. I believe the US also paid Spain for Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, and Guam as part of the settlement of the Spanish American War.
    One more thing Cinco del Mayo is not a true Mexican holiday. In fact parts of Mexico doesn’t even celebrate it. It is a made up holiday to sell beer. Cinco Del Mayo celebrates a Mexican victory over a French Army. The reason the French Army was there is because the Mexican government refused to repay a loan the French government had made to them. Look at what is happening today. The US is the Mexican governments welfare system. Mexico is wealthy enough to take care of all it people but the elites and the government ripe off the people.

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 5:24pm

      Its true about the French and Mexico owed them money, still do.

      Don’t forget, during that tiny skirmish the Union Army sent a handful of troops and that is what turned the French back, OUR mere presence. We should have American victory over French day here.

      We won Spain’s lands in battle from the Caribbean to Philippines. We should have installed our government on them and never have paid for what WE won in battle. The land belongs to us but we let them govern themselves and send them money as well as let them have a seat in Congress and that should not be. We have been giving land back that we won honestly in battle and Mexico itself is one of those.

      The Spanish only had a handful of men in Mexico for the 300 yrs they had it. That is why the idiot Annie Anna was able to beat them and that only lasted for 20 yrs before we took back the part that was NEVER occupied by Mexicans in the first place. Twice we spared the life of silly little Generalissimo Insanity Anna and his army of thousands. We let him go back and rule the land we WON it is called Mexico.

      Side note: Spain claimed a lot of land it never seen like Russia but only occupied 1% of it. In 1750 Spain thought Baja CA was an island on the map they had.

      The Native American tribes did NOT allow Mexicans up here unless save an occasional slave other wise they murdered them on the spot. Native tribes hated them.

      VIVA LA SAN JACINTO DAY is every day in Texas. Every time I think of a Mexican, I buy a bullet and remember my family made the Republic of Texas.

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  • javablanca
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:14pm

    Having grown up in AZ and NM, it has ALWAYS been known that you tuck a 50 dollar bill into your passport or under your ID in your wallet in preparation for the inevitable ‘papers check’ that US tourists get while visiting. You hand the nice officer your passport, he checks to see if the ‘paper’ is there, and hands you back you passport or ID a bit lighter than before.

    Anyone who doesnt think that Mexico isnt a stinking cesspool of corruption, theft, graft, and violence is deluding themselves. PERIOD.

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    • javablanca
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:23pm

      please excuse the dbl negative in that last sentence…y’all know what i meant…just got a little over-excited.

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  • NO_POTTERSVILLE
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 1:29pm

    Anyone read the news the other day “President Obama’s decision last week to reverse U.S. policy and back a U.N. declaration on the rights of “indigenous peoples” Now remember what Van Jones said at one point “Give them the wealth” I suspect Obama would love to give reparations to all mexicans.

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    • chips1
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:37pm

      If Obummer really needed more money, he would pimp his wife. Every quarter helps.

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  • RodT82721
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 1:12pm

    I am over 70 and have known Mexico to be a corrupt place my entire life. I used to fly down to La Paz as a private pilot, and it was common knowledge that a bribe is a normal expense in Mexico. The drugs have just made it worse.

    I do agree with John Stossel, that if drugs were legal, the profit would be gone, and so would most of the crime. How many times does it take to live thought these things for our leaders to figure it out?

    The war on crime does nothing but fill our jails and keep cartels rich, at the expense of the tax payers. All the bleeding hearts cry out that it will make everyone a drug addict, but it would seem that most anyone that wants to use drugs does so already.

    We seem to be fighting drugs all over the world, to no avail, by the way. But the cost or all this boggles the mind, and yet crack and weed are readily available in any town in America, so I guess the war is really not so much a war as a crusade to appease the bleeding hearts.

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    • javablanca
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:22pm

      the US prison system is a ‘growth industry’ and the war on drugs is its prime ‘investment’. Even Pat Robertson has finally woken up to the injustice of harsh sentences destroying people’s lives just for getting a buzz that is less dangerous than the one from legal substances like tobacco and alcohol.

      They say ‘drug use destroys lives.’ In fact, drugs use (at least Por use) may limit people but it does NOT destroy them. What destroys lives is being locked into a prison system where corrupt and sadistic guards game the system while their superiors lead very comfortable lives feeling totally justified in their enslavement of generally good people.

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    • NoRoomForSocialismHere
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:34pm

      comment to blasted potheads and other chemmically dependant idiots:
      @RodT82721 Posted on December 26, 2010 at 1:12pm
      @javablanca Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:22pm

      Your so high on drugs you do not realize this is an American Patriot site.

      You and commie stossel are just Progressives in civilian clothing. He is has always been a pothead and should not appear on FOX at all. I hated him 30 yrs ago as much as I do now.

      You should check CA. out; they are beginning to have pot wars because one pot shop is under pricing another. Your drug wars in California is just beginning.

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  • WHITE LOTUS2x
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 1:07pm

    what a mess. my state just elected a rep. gov. maybe she will join the other states in fighting this mess, the other one didnt.

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  • Sergio Q
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:38pm

    Since Mexico demanded DogTheBountyHunter be turned over to them for persacution…errr , ahhh , I ment to say ,, prosecution, yea yea thats the word , prosicution for crossing the border to retreave a criminal when do we get these guys turned over to The U.S. for a muder trial ???????????????????????????

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  • commonsenseguy
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:27pm

    how long has home land security known about this and why not tell the truth. the mexican government is about as corrupted ,they have done nothing to stop the influx of illegals into this country,because they don’t want support them, they treat them like trash,now there is another great american dead and the mexican government and army are responsible, we must stop all support to them and we must close our boarders ,we can’t trust our government to stop any of this corruption because they are just as corrupted ,if home land security has known about this an others, then the director should step down today. please people we must protect what we have so please call your senators and congressmen and demand she be fired. and please pray for these fellow americans who have lost their lives for nothing and pray for the families.

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  • heavyduty
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:19pm

    I for one am a little upset over the fact that they went to a war zone to start a new life. But having said that, Mexico has a lot more to admit to than just killing us and planting evidence. Now that our borders are more secure than they have ever been. This is exactly why Obama and the rest of them go anywhere but the south to vacation. I am proud of the mother of the killed American for wanting and not giving up on the answers she found. This is what we should do also. Until Obama puts all the rhetoric behind him and starts playing by the rules of the Constitution do the same and demand answers to our questions.

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  • C. Schwehr
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:13pm

    As with everything else going on in this country, you can either try to do something about it now. Or you can wait, and be FORCED to do something about it later when the situation is much more dire, and it will probably be too late to save what we have now.
    Hard work now, or impossible task later…your choice.

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  • LynninCalif
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:01pm

    Our country is on fire. Will we stand up and get this fire OUT? Or will we stand by and just watch it burn????? This is an out rage!!!! This could be my son, your son! I need to go throw up!

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  • Jeremie Step
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:57am

    I wouldn’t trust the Mexican Military, considering that many are probably working for drug cartels or are getting paid to look the other way. When Mexican troops were caught crossing the border into the US, that was an act of war and should have been met with a military response. Glenn used to do shows regularly about the violence on the border and the cartels in Mexico, he really should do another one. I guess the best advice is to stay out of Mexico.

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    • chips1
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:33pm

      I keep telling you to learn to PROFILE. It’s necessary even more here in the U.S. with the terrorists in the government picked by cartel czars without any input from Americans.

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  • printdesignchicago.com
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:54am

    derrrp…. nothing to see here folks…move along, move along

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  • mr-macho-marine
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:52am

    Been living in Mexico for 17 years, The Mexicans are very serious about re-claiming the land they lost to the U.S. They hate Americans and do everything in their power to screw us around here. But just keep watching T.V. , don’t worry about a thing . Stupid Americans ! Love my Country, but hate the people who live there and run the goverment.

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    • C. Schwehr
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:10pm

      I see your words, but acknowledge there is nothing there to support them as real. You love your country, but live in Mexico? You’re a gringo *******…no more, no less.

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    • Charbet
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:13pm

      You like it better there? Cool. Stay there.

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  • YesNdeedie
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:48am

    But there is no danger on our southern border…..This administration says so.

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  • The Toad
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:41am

    Sorry to say a lot of once proud americans are moving out of this country because of the Obama regime takeover!!

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    • Sergio Q
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:31pm

      INDEED! , and if I had the money I would leave this once great Nation too thanks to greedy unions , ignorant progressives and now the Administration of Socialistic Change this is a sinking ship nolonger a great Nation ..sad but true

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    • Nvrforget
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:39pm

      Just out of interest, to which country would you move?

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    • Sergio Q
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:10pm

      @ NVRFORGET;
      Thats yet another problem , the lack-o-ca$h to move is not nearly as befuddeling as the destination if it were available …with most of the places to go on the planet falling in line with The OneWorldOrder , dangerious if not outright deadly or under submission to the ultimate evil of islam I’m kinda skrewed ,STOP THE PLANET , I WANNA’ GET OFF!!

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    • Charbet
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:11pm

      I’m curious also, as to what country that would be?

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    • Liberty_Forever
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:23pm

      @Sergio Q
      Leaving this country is not the answer, that’s the easy road. The answer, and the harder road, is to stay here and fight for our country. I think too many of us have forgotten that we our governed ‘by consent’…OUR consent. If enough of us can come together and form a strong, unified voice (hey, it worked for the unions and progressive organizations) we can take back our country and restore its greatness.

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  • flagbearer
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:39am

    Don’t go to Mexico or South America. Spend your dollars at home. Once these countries start really missing our money, attitudes will change. The same thing goes for Europe and elsewhere. Stay home, patriots.

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  • byehlik
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:34am

    Answer. If your American, don’t go to Mexico. But on the other hand, that is what our government is starting to act like. So….Be Prepaired! I pray she finds the truth, but reality is that she will never get it.

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  • zman173rd
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:32am

    I agree with AK.MIKE.US “Instead, he become a construction worker and eventually started his own business in Atlanta, Georgia. Last year, he moved to Mexico’s central state of Puebla with his Mexican-born wife and their young son, Giuseppe. The marriage foundered and his wife returned to Georgia.:… Backa$$wards huh? She was the smart one. Where’s his son, back in Georgia with his Mexican born wife? Sounds fishy to me. Child support? Cheating? Needed extra dough for the restaraunt? I have a suspicions. But life goes on for the samrts ones. I think he was either ignorant or playing ingnorant..

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  • psst
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:29am

    Geeez! I thought the Mexican government would /shouldat least have given him food stamps and a free Hinojosa Care medical card.
    Maybe Hussein should go to Mexico, get the president of Mexico by his side and start ranting about how unfair Mexico was to Americans.
    All those Mexican senators/lawmakers would give him a standing O-bama.
    Like the marxist party (aka dems)did for Calderon when he came here and addressed Congress about Arizona’s atrocities of wanting to expell illegal Mexicans.

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  • N37BU6
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:20am

    It’s a good thing the American authorities are magically immune to this, all the way up the chain of command in every department!

    Well… except for the White House. It’s full of communists. But every other department is clean as a whistle! They’d never try to pull anything multiple times, with mountains of supporting evidence left behind for anyone with even half a brain to find and clue into.

    Nope. Doesn’t happen in America. Once you hit that border, it all changes. People shoot themselves in the head, tie themselves up in sacks, and throw themselves into rivers. They also commit highly unconventional murder-suicide on the eve of major legal revelations and investigations into CPS.

    CPS… isn’t that a- nah. Never mind. That’s crazy. The Federal government would never employ social engineering or destroy families for money. Just like they didn’t test drugs and chemicals on natives, mental patients, South Americans, and other “undesirables”. Neither did Canada, right into the 40′s.

    Nope, no genocide there. Or corruption. It’s all in the White House and the DOJ. You know- low level stuff like that. The CIA, FBI, NSA are all spotless though. Put your faith in them. I’m sure they are all investigating the White House at this very moment.

    Are you guys excited for 2012?! YEAH! The system will still work! America isn’t screwed! You can VOTE for people who will instantly betray you! And if they don’t, others will!

    Awesome… I’m so excited for you guys!

    Ooh, Sarah Palin’s Alaska is on! Gotta go.

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  • NancyBee
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:20am

    There is so much deceit in the world today. This mother will probably never know what will happened. God help her!

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  • NancyBee
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:16am

    There is so much deceit in the world today. This mother will probably never find out the truth. God help her!

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:16pm

      I wouldn’t be suprised to find out the soldiers saw a white guy and thought it would be funny to kill him since there would not be any serious repercussions. The soldiers were probably high on something as well. I don’t know why ANY American would want to go down there for anything.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 4:53pm

      What next ? Mexicans stealing children from their parents ?
      http://www.infowars.com/brutal-ss-child-kidnapping-in-progress/

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    • Hobo Boondocks
      Posted on December 27, 2010 at 8:07am

      Even if the news media could verify it, they likely would not report on it, that there is a growing number of illegals from Mexico that have moved here for ONE reason only: It is too dangerous to live in many formerly relatively safe places. They are not in every instance poor, wretched, desperate-for-a job illegals, looking for a chance at a better life. They are people simply trying to save their life. This does not excuse them for not going through the correct process to immigrate. It only highlights the horrendous conditions of life for so many in that country. The place was corrupt enough before the drug cartels became so entrenched, but now it’s staggering how miserable life has become for so many. Sadly, every person in the U.S. that has purchased cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamines from Mexico (whether originating there or shipped through) shares in the bloodshed. The market that exists here, is and will be supplied no matter how many must suffer and die in Mexico and the U.S. Yes, there’s plenty of blame to go around, not just to the governments and their failed policies, but also to the ones who have made and sustain the market as well-the addicts AND the drug cartels.

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  • RepubliCorp
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:12am

    Their you have it. Obama gives AR’s to the Mexican government to kill Americans

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    • KICKILLEGALSOUT
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:30am

      Look at what the Obama administration is allowing to happen to our country!
      Contact your Congressman, Senators and Governor! DEMAND an end to birthright citizenship to foreign nationals, DEMAND cuts on immigration, DEMAND that Visa violations and illegal immigration will have harsher penalties and enforced to the maximum limit! Tell them to watch these videos on Youtube!

      **What the Local News Doesn’t Show You
      **Illegal immigrant supporters harass American citizens
      **La Raza Mexicans Invade Texas Townhall
      **American Immigrants Stomp American Flag
      **Mexicans Attack Fellow Students For Waving American Flag-Shocking Footage
      **LA teacher calls for mexican revolt in the US
      **illegal mexicans attack america
      **Nation of Aztlan
      **BLACKS RISE UP AND FIGHT THE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION!!
      **Immigration Gumballs
      **American Muslims Hate America
      **Muslim Demographics
      **American Veteran Removes US Flag from beneath Mexican Flag
      **California Students Sent Home for Wearing US Flags Shirts on Cinco de Mayo

      Other things that were said.
      **Colderone said in 2007 that Mexico doesn’t stop at the borders, ” Where ever there is a Mexican, there is Mexico” he said
      **Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, “We are practicing ‘La Reconquista’ in California.” (reconquista: the reconquering of the u.s.)
      **Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico, “The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.”
      **Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, “California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn’t like it should leave.”
      **For those of you that have no clue about what is going on in this country, read the following re the la raza movement (reconquista: the reconquering of the u.s.)
      **Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan:
      “Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”
      “Everything for the race. Everything outside the race, nothing.”
      And it’s not just Hispanics, illegal Chinese across the Southern border have increased 1000%, many from Arab countries have also crossed many who could be spies and terrorists.
      Stop the foreign invasion of America NOW!

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    • snowleopard3200 {cat folk art}
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:32am

      Once again the cover up and hand tying of the administration is revealed; they will twist each and every bit of truth into their own lies and such. I just have to wonder what the next move by old Mr Obama will be? Transfer the southwestern states back into the hands of Mexico or Spain while they apologize for the ‘evils of Americas past.”

      http://www.artinphoenix.com/gallery/grimm

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:40am

      I use to visit Mexico in the 80′s and the Police were totally
      corrupt even back then. I can only imagine how bad they are
      now.

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:41am

      and mean while the cops in US during the 80′s were really good
      I can’t say that today.

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    • psst
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:44am

      @KickIllegals.
      US IS past the point of no return.
      The Balkanization is well underway.
      Like I posted a few days ago.
      Whatever happened to Yugoslavia? What da hey. It ain’t no more.
      Next it will be
      Whatever happened to the United States of America? Give or take 25 or so years.

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    • untameable-kate
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:48am

      KICKILLEGALSOUT
      You should send that to everyone in DC you can get an address for and do it every day until they figure out what the rest of us already know.

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    • tobywil2
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:50am

      It is the Victimless Crime Laws in the United States, but fund The Mexican drug cartels!

      The failure of the 18th amendment demonstrated the failure and fallacy of the use of government force to control personal behavior (victimless crimes). It is everyone’s right to be protected from the initiation of physical force. Why, you say? Because it is in everyone’s selfish best interest that all citizens are free. Victimless crimes laws violate that god given right. The economic consequences these “behavior control laws” (victimless crimes) is legend. The results are incarceration of productive citizens and enrichment of the criminal element. The cost of these “victimless crime” laws to the economy defies imagination. http://commonsense21c.com/

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    • TXPilot
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 12:11pm

      In my profession, I’ve spent alot of time in Mexico and similar countries, where the law of the gun is the only law. Get ready America, because your traitorous government is going to bring all the violence of the third world countries here. The only saving grace we have, is the fact that here the citizens are armed and capable of fighting back, howevever, the government is going to try to make sure to disarm us beforehand…..they fail to understand, we will turn our firearms on them instead of letting that happen.

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    • CatB
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 1:02pm

      They are “at war with us” .. .and we have yet to respond in kind … about time we “take out” the trash. And why is ANY AMERICAN going to MEXICO .. I don’t care if you think you are going to a tourist area ?

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    • tower7femacamp
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 1:06pm

      AR‘s don’t kill people Governments do !

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    • Cobra Blue
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 2:29pm

      Bottomline: Thinking of traveling to Mexico. You travel at your own risk. Why move to a war zone anyway? Are any of us surprised at the lack of cooperation from the officials in Mexico?

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    • Goobergregory
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 3:27pm

      I have a thought… Don’t Move to Mexico! Ok.. I know big duh huh? Who, in their right mind would move TO Mexico while all of this strife is going on down there? I am so sorry that this guy got caught in someone else’s BS… And who else here is in the LEAST bit surprised that the Mexican Gvmt does not want ot address this issue??? I won’t be going to war torn Batswana anytime soon either…
      Good for his Mom on not giving up on this. My heart is with her. At least she can honestly say he was a victim now instead of having to defend him against them.

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    • guyperram
      Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:26pm

      kickilleaglesout: Why bother. They could care less. This is just part of their agenda. The only way to make hanges for the states to wake up and start smacking this out of control occupying army called Washingtonograd around.
      Other than that, keep your powder dry and shoot straight.

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  • RepubliCorp
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:31am

    They wouldn’t…..

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  • PA PATRIOT
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 11:42am

    Does the term “Common Sense” come to mind?
    And not without the AR, that would be stupid.

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  • neverending
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 1:44pm

    Not even visiting let alone move there. Sorry for the family but the stupidity and lack of common sense is beyond comprehension.

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  • Paul G
    Posted on December 26, 2010 at 6:53pm

    That’s what I was thinking. I didn’t want to repeat another post, but I had to go halfway down this blog until I saw this post. WTF would ANYBODY MOVE! let alone visit? Was their other choice Tehran?

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