Current TV‘s Cenk Uygur Claims Bible Doesn’t Condemn Gay Marriage
- Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:00pm by
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Cenk Uygur of Current TV’s “The Young Turks” got into a heated discussion with Joseph Backholm, chair of Preserve Marriage Washington, a group working to sustain traditional marriage in Washington State. During an uncomfortable interview, Backholm attempted to explain his stance, while Uygur dismissed it as a hateful initiative against gays and lesbians.
The first portion of the segment focused on a back-and-forth between the two parties, with Backholm asking the host to “think logically” and with Uygar slamming the activist’s ideals as “crazy.”
As the conversation progressed, the host began railing on about faith and the Bible and its role in the discussion. Uygar went on to claim that Backholm’s ideals are based on a false understanding of the Bible, as he seemed to say that the holy book doesn’t crack down on gay marriage in the same respect that the activist and his group do.
“But you don’t want them to be recognized as a marriage, because you’ve got a problem with gay individuals becoming a married couple. That’s literally what your problem is, right? Joseph, can we get real about this?,” Uygar said. “It’s because of the Bible, right? Because the Bible always says that that’s been the case. But you know you’re wrong about that too, right? I mean, you know that that’s not what the Bible says, right?”
“It’s because I do not believe it is a marriage,” Backholm countered.
Watch the uncomfortable dialogue, below:
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seanpatriot
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:57pmIm an atheist and I dont care if its in the bible or not, ITS FREAKIN GROSS and Repulsive
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:25pmYou,as an atheist, can,and will believe, what is Comfortable for your lifestyle and worldview. I BELIEVE GODS’ WORD. To understand where TRUE Christians come from, I suggest you read Romans Chapter 1. ALL of it would be a good start to understanding[and wisdom], but particularly starting at Verse 20. Verse 27 says: Likewise men,leaving the NATURAL use of the woman, BURNED in ther LUST for ONE ANOTHER,men, with men, doing that which is unseemly———.
Report Post »THIS is NOT ambiguous. Cenks’ OPINION is based on either STUPIDITY, re Gods’ WORD, or his WILLFUL DISTORTION of TRUTH. The interviewee, is sadly, lacking in knowledge of TRUTH, re being able to quote Gods’ WORD ,or showing cowardice. In any event ,if YOU read this, you will NO LONGER be in ignorance, and will be held accountable! I PRAY for you to come to acceptance,of TRUE TRUTH, and REPENTANCE, as I do for CENK!
Maranatha
Maranatha
de31372
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:31pmIf the teachings of the Old Testament were fully adhered to, homosexuals would not be allowed to live in society, let alone marry. That’s not to say that I, or anyone I know would seriously wish harm on gays or lesbians, but it is ridiculous to suggest that the Bible is silent on the subject of homosexuality and that gay marriage is somehow allowed under Biblical teaching. In a Biblical context homosexual behavior was viewed as so contrary to the laws of God and to the good of society that those who practiced it were eliminated (put to death under the Mosaic law) before their abhorrent behavior could spread. How is that in any way an acceptance of gay marriage?
Report Post »lukerw
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:47pmExactly! One’s Mind is broke… if they cannot perceive Right & Wrong without a Book!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:14pmseanpatriot
Im an atheist and I dont care if its in the bible or not, ITS FREAKIN GROSS and Repulsive
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Nice.
What is so funny is that gays have to wash their GI tract before sex. One gay posted on JMG that they were warned by San Francisco health workers to not douche too much or they would erode the cell wall lining of their colon & cause it to bleed leading to a even higher chance of HIV transmission.
Douche to little & they have to worry about smell & E. coli & other infectious gut bacteria. Douche too much & they increase their chance of catching an STD.
“Ah, the simplicities of the natural gay life. ” /sarc
Gay sex is natural? No way!
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:31pmDamn straight. Even feral animals know. It doesn’t require a book.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:56pmHe obviously DIDNT read the Bible and has no idea what’s in it. Very evident of left wing propaganda.
Report Post »marhee9
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:00pmCenk is quite possibly the biggest idiot on the airwaves today, and that’s saying a great deal. This is the same guy who made a complete idiot out of himself over the Anthony Weiner case. That was a classic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OPf1dK-qlE
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:05amYeah, THAT’S a good reason to base public policy denying individuals equal treatment under the law upon.
Report Post »venerablebede
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 5:56amSo Cenk Uygur what does the Koran say about gay marriage?
Report Post »Inlightofthings
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:11amWALKABOUT:
Report Post »I honestly wish I had’t, but I learned something here today…
Locked
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 8:23am@DE31372
“If the teachings of the Old Testament were fully adhered to, homosexuals would not be allowed to live in society, let alone marry.”
Nor would we wear clothes of different materials, or shave our beards, or let our women out when they’re menstruating. Luckily Christians do not ascribe to the Old Laws as Jesus fulfilled them. The penalty for such things are no longer death.
“but it is ridiculous to suggest that the Bible is silent on the subject of homosexuality and that gay marriage is somehow allowed under Biblical teaching.”
To take the interview literally, it is true that the Bible is silent on gay marriage, much like it is silent on abortion. Why? Because both practices were not commonly (if at all) practiced in Biblical times. Homosexual activity is a sin according to both old and new testaments however – that much is clear. Ignoring that means ignoring parts of the Bible.
Report Post »mdeputy7
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:24amTo those of you saying that it is still a sin to eat “unclean” animals….please read Acts 10:44-48. In fact, read the entire passage. I’m tired of people taking a single verse and trying to make a point out of it. Read the passages people.
Report Post »SLOWBIDEN
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:35am@inlightof things…… agreed.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:53am@Mdeputy7
“To those of you saying that it is still a sin to eat “unclean” animals…”
Did anyone make this argument? I looked through the entire first page of comments and didn’t see a single reference to eating animals, clean or unclean.
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 11:55amHey, Ughh, when the sphincter sees the little man trying to drive in, it puts up a huge sign that says, WRONG WAY, DO NOT ENTER, STOP! The rectuum is an evacuation route, in case you hadn’t noticed. It’s a one-way street. So when the Bible says, “men leaving the NATURAL use of the female were inflamed in their lust towards one another; males with males working shame,” that’s exactly what it means. Let me know when the gay rectuum evolves; only then will I consider changing my views.
Report Post »Amarath01
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:05pm@hollywood
Nice quote the actual literal translation from lxx:
24 Wherefore God granted / allowed / recommended them in their desires/passions of their hearts, upon uncleanness [unnatural vice] to dishonor (deprive the right of) their bodies into themselves. 25 The ones who [things] changed the truth of God in that falsehood/lie, and worshipped and served for hire the creation above the Creator, this/such is / to be / to exist blessed to their secular worldlinesses / periods of existence / the ages. Amen.
26 By this, God granted / allowed / recommended them into passions/affections of dishonor, the both for their females changing the natural use into the un-natural; 27 and, similarly also the males leaving the natural use of the females inflamed in their appetites / excitements for each other, males with males, the unseemly / unsightly / awkwardness / disfigurement / shamed; and, the reward was necessary [binding] / needful / right / proper of their cause to wander in themselves receiving / enjoying.
28 And even as / how not allowed / not approved as fit, to keep God in full discernment, God granted / allowed / recommended them unto unapproved intellect, to bring about the non-agreeings / non-fittings, 29 fulfillings in all [many things seen as bad/evil , not including sexual immorality].
In other words those versus actual state that homosexuality was not appropriate, but god allowed them to do it, but those who do 29-31 are deserving of death (sin).
Report Post »literal trans.
Amarath01
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:15pm@ locked
Report Post »Homosexual acts were very common in times, so was prostitution. Much of pauls writings are warnings against prostitution by both males and females (and engaging with them) . In many if references to incest and other immoralities a few are man with a boy/girl of their family. This is not an unknown practice of the time. Although i agree with your central statement of if we follow ever rule in the OT/etc., i will note that modern day Christians are forbade to divorce but for incest, adultery and prostitution (by paul and jesus), whoever if they separate (for any reason other than their spouse was a non-believer and was the one to leave) they they must not remarry until their spouse is dead (this is stated like 3-4 times in the NT in different ways but all quite clear).
Gogo people hating on homos, why not ban Christians from remarrying until their spouse is dead?
Yeah that is the word of god in the bible, but so few of you have any issue with it? Maybe you follow cannon/doctrine more than gods word?
Which mind you is love your enemy as your family, and let nothing get in the way of your relationship with him (this is why Jesus states it is good not to marry if you can accept it [translation is let it be done/ or hear this , same words as with the burning bush i believe, indicating more of a command imho]).
FoxholeAtheist
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:26pmLocked, Jesus said he didn’t change one “jot or tittle” of the old law until heaven and earth pass away.”Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:17-19). Note, it doesn’t say 10 Commandments. It just says “commandments”. Love they neighbor as thyself isn’t even one of the 10 commandments. It’s in Leviticus.You say you keep the 10 Commandments, but then brush aside the other three hundred some odd laws that are also in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Second Timothy backs up that the Old Testament in its entirety is applicable. Hope you don’t plan on going to wear polyester to a Red Lobster anytime soon. Just keep on sinning, though. You can ask Jebus to forgive you after your nice, tasty lobster dinner.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:48pm@Amarath01
“Homosexual acts were very common in times, so was prostitution.”
Please note that I specified gay marriage, not the activity itself.
“Gogo people hating on homos, why not ban Christians from remarrying until their spouse is dead?”
I agree with you: divorce and remarriage, short of death or infidelity, are adultery. A remarried couple is living in sin – it’s not even Old Testament, as Jesus Himself says as much. As a Christian, that’s why I find people so vehemently against gays and gay marriage ridiculous; half of them are likely divorced and living in sin as much as any gay couple. I still think homosexuality is a sin – but anyone divorced and claiming gay marriage ruins “traditional marriage” is a hypocrite. As a follower of Christ I’ll gladly point out their sin if they choose to point out the sins of others.
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:55pm@Foxholeatheist
“”Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”
I never said he changed the law: I said fulfilled. The penalty for failing to adhere to the old laws was death – Jesus died for our sins, thus freeing us (in multiple ways) of the penalty for the sins. They are still sins, but we aren’t killed for them (either physically or spiritually) now.
It might be hard to understand, as an atheist likely does not adhere to the concept of sin?
“Note, it doesn’t say 10 Commandments. It just says “commandments”.”
The 10 Commandments aren’t listed as “the Ten Commandments” either. Hence why Protestants and Catholics have different versions about where one ends and next begins.
“Love they neighbor as thyself isn’t even one of the 10 commandments. It’s in Leviticus.”
It’s considered the “new commandment” and it’s actually in John (New Testament) not Leviticus. And your quote is just an inaccurate version: it’s technically “As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” You’re quoting the “Golden Rule,” which is similar, but not the same. Golden Rule’s been around for much longer.
(Cont below)
Report Post »Locked
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 12:59pm@Foxholeatheist
“”You say you keep the 10 Commandments, but then brush aside the other three hundred some odd laws that are also in the Old Testament.”
The 10 Commandments are “a good idea.” They are not rules that will get you into Heaven, or keep you out of Hell. They are what God wants, but again – thanks to Jesus you don’t automatically lose your life (eternal or mortal) if you break them. You seem to have an inaccurate view of what the Bible says… possibly from others who call themselves Christian but don’t actually know the Bible.
“Hope you don’t plan on going to wear polyester to a Red Lobster anytime soon. Just keep on sinning, though. You can ask Jebus to forgive you after your nice, tasty lobster dinner.”
Personally, I think lobster is gross. That’s just me, though. :-)
Is eating lobster and wearing polyester a sin? Yep. Does it make sense? Not a whole lot to me, but I don’t call the shots. But will committing these sins keep you from Heaven? No. In the same way, being gay won’t keep you from being a Christian or gaining eternal life – but it is a sin.
Report Post »qpwillie
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:51pmI see Cenk and the young jerks have sent some of their minions over to the Blaze.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:50pmI hear it now. Their band name could be “Cenky Ogre and the Circle Jerks”.
Report Post »JACKTHETOAD
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:20pmWhy did Constantinople get the works? That‘s nobody’s business but the Turks. :)
Report Post »JohnLarson
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:43pmThe Bible says nothing about gay marriage… according to the Bible, we’re suppose to put gays to death before they even get a chance to marry.
The Bible is more like the Koran than you all think, and of course Jesus said of the brutal Old Testament, that he didn’t come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:54pmThe is the New Testament & the Old Testament. You do not call it the New Testament if it is the Old Testament with a few addenda. Jesus told the adulteress to go & sin no more. So he literally changed the law. Adultery was still immoral. What he changed was the penalty. There is a big difference between the two testaments.
But you already knew this, so it obvious that you are trolling
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:04pmNotice: “effeminate.” …1 Cor 6:9,10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Report Post »10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
stephenb.net
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:04pmCome on man, learn the bible before you start spreading mis truths and misinterpretations. We are not held to Levitical law. The Law Jesus speaks of is Mosiac Law which he came to fulfill. Homosexuality is no more a sin than you sleeping with your girlfriend before you get married, coveting your neighbors wife or bearing false witness, stealing, keeping the sabbath, using the Lord’s name in vain etc. Sin is sin. Without Jesus we are all going to hell.
Report Post »All of this nonsense about Leviticus being the standard is just that, nonsense.
JohnLarson
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:20pm‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18).
But do you really all consider eating shellfish a sin still? Why homosexuality and not shellfish? Both are abominations.
Report Post »Quack Addict
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:21pmThe Bible is full of principles to live by. God gave us health principles (Leviticus 11), marriage principles, lifestyle principles, etc. We are to live by these principles our entire life. They do not change as a progressive society changes. Christians live by these high standards and that is what separates us from the rest of the world. Fornicating with an animal or someone of your own gender is definately an abomination to God. And if you think you are smarter than God then good luck with that on judgment day. You see, He makes the rules and we follow them. Good day.
Report Post »Mr_Meaner
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:39pmEating shellfish is a sin.
So is sleeping with your girlfriend before you’re married, and so is homosexuality.
Jesus didn’t change any laws.
Just after Jesus said that he didn’t come to destroy the law, he told his disciples this:
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least of commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
I’m not sure which Christ some of you follow, but it’s not the one who taught from the Books of Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Psalms, etc, in the 1st century, forming the basis of what we call the New Testament.
Report Post »Dan_o
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:41pmQuack, you beat me to it.
I would add 2 things, though. The dietary laws were meant for Israel to show them as set apart. We are not under those dietary restrictions now.
Jesus did fulfill the law by taking our punishment, not by exacting punishment. He will, however, return as King and rule…hopefully soon.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:03pmJohnLarson
‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18).
But do you really all consider eating shellfish a sin still? Why homosexuality and not shellfish? Both are abominations.
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Still trolling? The harder you troll the more I know who you are.
Jesus and the woman taken in adultery
According to the Old testament the adulteress should have been stoned. But Jesus told her go & sin no more. Jesus can make nuanced changes to Mosaic code. He is God after all.
What would Jesus have told a homosexual “We are going to stone you”. No, he would have told him “Go & sin no more”. He would not have endorsed gay marriage.
Not eating shellfish is Old Testament for the Israelites, Christians use the New Testament.
For every scripture you quote out of context more & more people know the proper response.
But troll on, you will just damage yourself.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:17pmMr_Meaner
When Jesus says “Go & sin no more” instead of stoning the adulteress, he slightly changed Mosaic law. For you not to see this, shows you to be dishonest & a troll.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:19pmJesus didn’t change any laws? Matthew 15:11 It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.”
We live under grace and not by the law because we can not fulfill the law. It is impossible because we live in total depravity. This is why Christ came to save us, because we can not live according to the law.
Report Post »Mr_Meaner
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:38pmThe woman still sinned.
Just because she was forgiven doesn‘t mean that she hadn’t sinned.
My guess is that she was repentant in her heart, and probably never broke that commandment again.
The only thing changed, is what we have to do for atonement.
We have repentance available through Christ’s blood.
Someone show me where were told that the dietary laws have changed.
And please don‘t use Peter’s vision in Acts as evidence, because food was not the subject of that vision.
The fact that Peter refused to partake of unclean food in his vision, before realizing that the meaning of the vision was to instruct him to not discriminate against non-Jews….indicates that in Peter’s mind, they were to follow the dietary laws.
And please don’t use 1st Timothy Ch.4 as evidence, as there is a qualifier that reads “which God hath created to be received” before the statement “For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving”.
Report Post »That passage simply states that you shouldn’t let any man judge you for eating food that God created to be received.
He didn’t create all animals all to be received as food
Mr_Meaner
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:47pmI never said that we aren’t saved by grace.
Report Post »But, we are judged according to our works. (Rev 20:12)
Dan_o
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:11pmMrMeaner, try Romans 14. The entire chapter addresses this very topic and it’s pretty clear that no matter what YOUR opinion on food laws is, we are not call a brother in Christ a sinner over what he chooses to eat.
Report Post »Mr_Meaner
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:13pmI’m not calling anyone a sinner. I’m merely defining sin, as it is defined in our scripture.
1st Jn 3:4
Report Post »“Whosoever committeth sin, transgresseth also the law: for sin is transgression of the law.”
Dan_o
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:38pmSince you are not going to read Romans 14, Mr_Meaner, I will post it here so others can see the Truth:
“As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; (Romans 14:1-10)
I will post the rest next.
Report Post »Dan_o
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:42pmcont’d from previous post:
“for it is written,
Report Post »“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.”
So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.”
(Romans 14:1
Mr_Meaner
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:05pmMy having cited scriptural evidence that sin…whether we judge it to be sin, or not…is defined as breaking God’s laws given to us, in no way implies that I judge anyone.
Report Post »But, I am able to judge what words mean.
Would you like to cite evidence that sin is anything other than breaking the law?
Whatever Paul’s feelings about the proper reaction to sins committed by people who share your faith are, it doesn’t negate the sin. Paul isn’t able to forgive, or re-define sin. I know some of you would like to give him that power, so as to justify your positions, but that doesn’t hold much weight with me
Dan_o
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:31pm“I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.” Romans 14:14
Is Paul a liar or is the New Testament with error?
Report Post »Mr_Meaner
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 11:57pmDo you believe that sin is a sin, only if you believe it’s a sin?
Report Post »If so, I guess you could theoretically unrepentantly do anything, and still be “saved”. Is that right?
If not, by what standard do we decide what is right and wrong?
wdittgasn
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 2:32amMr._MEANER….. Thank you!…. Finally some one who knows and understands……. You are correct. Good post.
Report Post »Dan_o
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:10amDid I say anything of the sort, Mr_Meaner? No, I did not. I have only pointed to the specific scripture, Romans 14, that deals with food law and feasts for followers of Christ. Please read it. It is not me you are disagreeing with.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:57amJOHNLARSON-to answer your idiocies succinctly. Where the old testament is reiterated in the New Testament it is normative to Christians. The New Testament makes it clear, both by Christ‘s reiteration of the T’orah of the only blessed union being between a man and woman and later by the authority of the apostles openly calling homosexuality a sin and an afront to God/G-d.
Report Post »The old testament is only normative to Christians where it is reiterated in the new testament.
Gentiles and Jews became Christians because Christ is the new convenant.
This is why abstaining from eating pork and shellfish or no mixed fibres are not normative to Christians. This is why Christians can remain uncirc#mcized and don’t t share that convenant with God that Jews have. Christ by his very existence became the new convenant between man and God. The “new deal” as it were. This is why Christians don’t celebrate Pasach or Yom Kippur..because they’re not Jews. Is this sinking in at all?
By extension, the older Christian cultures, Greek, Italian, French use variations on the word “Pascha” for Easter which is derived from the Hebrew “Pasach”..Passover. They use it because of it‘s proximity to Christ’s passion, crucifixion and resurrection.
You liberals like to “evolve” on things yet you can’t acknowledge that the Christians church evolved from Judaism making it connected, but different. Is this stuff that your liberal keepers kept hidden from you?
Mr_Meaner
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 7:32pmChristians don’t observe Passover because most of them are apostates.
You can celebrate the holiest day of the year by naming it after a Canaanite idol if you want, but don‘t pretend it’s part of Christianity, because it isn’t.
Report Post »majasdad
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:33pmNice job Cenk!!
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:44pmLeviticus 18:22 – You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Report Post »Leviticus 20:13 – If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 – For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9(NIV) – Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB) – “But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.”
Jude 1:6-7 (NASB) – And angels who did
Walkabout
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:45pmCenk did a nice job at lying or being ignorant? Maygar might be onto something. He might be doing for the ratings
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:59pm@walkabout. Please stop using the Bible to bash others, as we all know you choose not to follow it on a regular basis. You can’t pick and choose what to like/not like. We are all sinners, worry about yourself.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:37pmExrepublisheep
Cenk said the Bible does not proscribe gay marriage. Majasdad agreed with Cenk. I just pointed out the passages against homosexual conduct.
Our you saying I have to be more devout than Motrher Theresa?
Just because I often argue from a scientific point of view does not mean that I am anti-religious.
Some days I will argue from a scientific standpoint, others times from a Biblical standpoint and sometimes both. There is not a thing you can do about it except argue (reply back) or try to get me banned.
Just because I believe in evolution does not mean I am some lone kook. There are many Christians that do. Maybe not as many percentage wise as those that might believe strictly in creationism, but it is a sizable number. Since I believe God created evolution, I have no problem using scientific arguments. It bugs the HeII out abortionists, embryonic stem cell proponents & gay activists when some one uses science & not the Bible. They rather ignore some one who does & go right on flaming people quoting the Bible.
Since God created the universe, he created the physics, chemistry & biology; that is all tied together. So the decent way of living as shown by science /epidemiology is already known by God since he is omniscient & he created everything. So science is an argument against immoral behavior like embryonic stem cell research & other things.
Sorry to break it to you, .but you should know the truth.
Maybe you should go on Sabbatical
Report Post »joshuawoodz
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:15pm@Walkabout you are right in that it was stated the Bible doesn’t condemn gay marriage when it clearly does in both the Old and New Testaments. These liberal “intelligent” people need to actually READ the Bible before they make a uninformed claim about what it does or doesn’t say.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 10:52pm@Walkabout. I was not intentionally trying to insult you, I read your posts and sometimes agree, but if you’re going to use the Bible you kind of have to use the whole package. Although I wish I missed the homosexual/douching thing…
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 9:19amExrepublisheep
Please stop using the Bible to bash others, as we all know you choose not to follow it on a regular basis. You can’t pick and choose what to like/not like. We are all sinners, worry about yourself.
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Will I talk about it? HeII yes. We can;t have gay bashing & we can’t have gay pride in the schools, etc. It affects me. So HeII yes I am going to talk about it. It it were just limited to California there would little if no need to talk about it.
I would only worry about myself because nothing of that sort would be coming down the road.
Maybe I should have gone gay bashing. I knew someone who did once. I expressed disapproval. Maybe I have it all backwards. I should have joined him & encouraged him.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 10:58amMAJASAD…rather than join Cenk in his ignorance..you should look it up.
Report Post »Magyar
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:30pmThis ******* merely wants to create controversy for ratings–He knows nothing about the Bible and reaction is all he’s looking for…. Don’t waste your time—He doesn’t deserve it!
Report Post »TJexcite
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:00pmHis ratings will triple. From 3 people to 9
Report Post »BravoSierra
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:30pmWe should not be surprised by the world’s rejection of the truth. It is impossible for such a one as this Uygur to come to the knowledge of the truth with his current line of reasoning. In 1 Corinthians 2.13-16 we see: 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy[d] Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?”[e] But we have the mind of Christ.
Report Post »You see, this is not about reasoning with man and his worldly wisdom… the spiritual man lives off of revelation (the Bible) and commands his reasoning to align with God’s revelation. There is absolutely no way that this Uygur guy can know the truth about this topic. The design of the human body is pretty good evidence. But God has given man sovereignty over his right to choose whether he will submit to God’s revelation in Christ and the Bible or go his own way and feast off the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil.” I’ll stick with the Tree of Life. But trying to reason with a “fool” as the Bible refers to the Uygur types is a fools errand. God resists the proud…so Uygur will be resisted.
The highlander
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:30pmMr. Backholm made the mistake of given this fat arrogant Marxist loud mouth the time of day.
Report Post »biohazard23
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:30pmBless Cenk’s poor, stony little heart…..
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:30pmI don’t care if you dish out gay stories morning noon and night
I will not conform…!
I will never say that …GAY IS OK..!
It’s a SIN in MY BOOK ( The Bible)…
And I’m NOT bashing anyone …!
If Gays want a first class ticket to hell…That’s their choice.
I guess if we keep having stories on it and hear it enough we will start saying ..
well gosh…it must be ok our society has excepted this lifestyle…
Maybe the God of the Bible Changed his mind…NOT..!
Lukewarm Christians beware….!
GOD will spew you out of his mouth.
I’m starting to wonder if we shouldn’t call this site..
Report Post »The Gaze.
phillyatheist
Posted on June 13, 2012 at 1:16pm“It’s a SIN in MY BOOK ( The Bible)…”
ever think that maybe not everyone follows YOUR book? and who cares if it’s a sin in your book? if people want to sin, so long as it’s legal, we let them.
Report Post »neoconenemy
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:28pmThe bible said homosexuality is wrong, but it OKs slavery and polygamy. If we are going to use the bible as a moral compass we should abide by it in its entirety and not be selective.
Report Post »Seede
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:01pmMr. NEOCONENEMY
There are two covenants in the realm of God to man. Man did things in the 1st covenant which are not expedient in the 2 nd covenant. If you want to choose the old covenant to follow then you or anyone who chooses the old covenant will be under the mandates of the law. Under that law the homosexuals and Lesbians would suffer death with no mercy. Jesus is the author of the new covenant which is of grace and mercy. All you have to do is simply repent of the filthiness of that sin and everything will be okay but you can’t have it both ways with God. You might get away with that with Barney and Obama but not with God. You need a good bible teacher.
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:11pmMight want to actually study your Hebrew just a tiny bit before making such profoundly ignorant, uninformed comments…..also a study of the culture of the pagans vs the culture of the Israelites,
here are just a couple of topics for your study. What is the meaning of the word in Hebrew that is translated as slave in English? How did a person become such a “slave” in Israel? What is the significance of the jubilee in Jewish culture / Old Testament law?
This old adage sorta follows – don’t believe anything you hear and only 1/2 of what you see. What you think you have heard is not the truth and what you have gleaned from what you have seen (read) is not even 1/2 the story
Report Post »kaydeebeau
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:22pmNow as for polygamy….God’s plan is one man with one woman. The accounts of polygamy in the Bible are all examples of the problems that befall humanity when they go outside of God’s plan and go their own way. Abram couldn‘t wait on God’s time table…Ishmael. Jacob had issues because Leah‘s kids were jealous of Rachel’s kids. David messed up in a big way with Bathsheba.
Again, if you actaully studied the Word, you wouldn’t fall for the falshoods you are broadcasting
Report Post »AAichaelC
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:36pmGood stuff, Kaydeebeau.
Report Post »woodyl1011fl
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:58pmYou probably have not read the Bible but it does not endorse either of those two things. When liberals refer to the Bible they ALWAYS their woeful/willful ignorance and lack cognitive thinking. You have clue about context historical or otherwise. Neither do they understand the Leviticus Covenant law for Israel versus the universal moral law of God by which those who hate him will be judged, you can’t plead ignorance or plea bargain with God; it’s all in His book!!!!
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:59pm@neoconenemy: Your ignorance is astounding.
Report Post »Larry E
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:27pmThis Turk should check out what the Koran says about homosexuality. Of course that would offend Mslms which isn’t something a Turk (atheist or not) and liberal would do, or dare to do.
Report Post »majasdad
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:37pmSo do you enjoy going around offending people, or what?
Report Post »Git-R-Done
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:17pmMajasdad – You leftists have no problem with offending people, so who are you to condemn anybody else for being offensive? And nobody said that you had the right to not be offended, so put on your big boy pants.
Report Post »dan182j
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:24pmGlenn you need to put this clown in his place. Poor guy from Washington can’t even answer the question.
Report Post »Winedude
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:24pmIt doesn‘t matter what the bible does or doesn’t say about homosexuality or anything else. The whole thing is one giant myth and believers are delusional suckers.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:32pmReally now? You have never been filled with the Spirit.
Report Post »sawbuck
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:33pmPut down the Pinot Noir it’s rotting your brain.
Report Post »majasdad
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:40pmexactly
Report Post »beckwill
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:51pmBy all means, color me sucker. I hope you have heaps of wonderful, great things find you and smiles from all you meet.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:58pmActs 2:13-18 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Report Post »14. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15. For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17. And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18. And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:00pmEphesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Report Post »Winedude
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:22pm@ Beckwill, you are one of few classy people on here. Thank you. The rest can quote scriptures all you like…I honestly don’t give a god damn.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 9:37pm@BOMUSTGO: I think WINEDUDE has only been filled with “spirits”.
Report Post »2SENSEWORTH
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:22pmNice try Uygur.
Report Post »Constructionist
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:20pmTonight on News at 11: An atheistic radical leftist Turk gives his opinion on the Bible, followed by an in-depth discussion with Kanye West on the importance of impulse control.
Report Post »Baddoggy
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:19pmMaybe he should read the book before he tries to tell us what’s in it….He definately has NOT read the book…
Report Post »RJJinGadsden
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:19pmI’m sure that ENCINO_NAMBLA_MAN will gladly [with Cenk Uygur's you know what ] drawn into the mouth by contracting the muscles of the lips and mouth to make a partial vacuum, over this revelation. Yep, pun intended.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:16pmThe Blaze prides itself in saying it does not censor comments. Well it does censor comments it does not want readers to see.
Report Post »fancynancy
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:15pmLeviticus 18:22; 20:13 and Romans 1:24-27. God considers homosexuality to be an abomination. Our values are upside down and moral anarchy is on the rise. It is almost impossible to state an opinion on this without getting vile replies when the opinion goes against those demanding we accept homosexual marriage. That is moral anarchy. Men burn with lust for men, women for women. That is not the natural use of the body as God created and intended. It is not our place to judge or hate the homosexual person, we should love them just as we love all but that does not mean we have to condone the action.
Report Post »Exrepublisheep
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:41pmSo you follow Leviticus?
Report Post »neoconenemy
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:50pmLeviticus also said slavery and polygamy is OK. Later on in Judges you learn how God appreciates human sacrifice. Is this really the book you want to use as a moral compass?
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 7:21pmAnything declared “abominable” remains just that.God does not change his mind on what is detestable before him.Many of the moral laws from the Old Testament still stand in the New.It is the ceremonial law that has changed with the infilling of the Spirit as the laws are now written on the fleshy tables of the heart.2 Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Report Post »dennisS
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:14pmSodom/Gomorrah/fireball/end of story.
Report Post »dennisS
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 8:11pmConservatives/Christians set themselves up for this type of exchange every time. Knock off the crap about the “children” or one man, one woman is best. No. You answer the idiot with, “GOD is against homosexuality, period!” Now go argue with God. Folks, don’t get sidetracked by all the other feel good stuff and just lay it right out there, God is against all homosexuality in every form.
Report Post »falschimjaeger
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:14pmCenk Uygur has no clue about the Bible, but as a Liberal, he’s an expert.
Report Post »Romans 1“ (26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. (27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. ”
Nowhere in the Bible is perversion endorsed or considered acceptable.
Grace1798
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:35pmYes, that is all true. These who hate the Word of God do not know God. They are like their father, the devil, they imitate their father the devil in all his ways, thoughts, deeds and intents of their hearts.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:12pmHe is a Liar.
The homosexual cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God’s Angles with atomic weapons. Is that proof enough that God does not like homosexuals.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:35pmRomans 3:4 ..let God be true, but every man a liar;…
Report Post »HorseCrazy
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:11pmI am sure this guy is the authority on the Bible right? why does the left always invoke God and the Bible as their last straw when they have no idea what they are talking about.
Report Post »ReaganBaby
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:09pmThe most shocking part about this story is that someone saw this interview on Current TV. Uygur is a dope
Report Post »Grace1798
Posted on June 12, 2012 at 6:08pmSatan did not agree with God’s ways either and even tried (unsuccessfully) to take over God’s Kingdom along with a third of the fallen angels …..but he along with those fallen angels were cast ONTO the earth out of heaven forever and for all eternity. Luke 10:18 “18 And He said to them, I saw Satan falling like a lightning [flash] from heaven.” And Satan roams the earth. Job Chapter 1.7 “And the Lord said to Satan, From where did you come? Then Satan answered the Lord, From going to and fro on the earth and from walking up and down on it.” One can disagree with God…..that does not make him/her right or give them any power….exact opposite.
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