DALLAS (AP) — Three Dallas police officers, including one who was fired, will face criminal charges for their alleged roles in the beating of a suspect, which was caught on video by dashboard cameras, the police chief said Wednesday.
Andrew Collins, 28, suffered bruising and blood clots earlier this month after being struck by officers, who hit him about seven times with their fists and batons. The alleged beating lasted about 14 seconds following a chase.
The video, which the department distributed to reporters, shows one of the officers moving the dashboard camera so that it does not film the incident.
“This won’t be tolerated,” police Chief David Brown said. “This is not indicative of the Dallas Police Department. No one incident defines our character.”
Of the 22 officers who responded to the scene, one was black, Brown said. At least two were Hispanic, and the rest were white. Brown said there is no indication that race was a factor and no racial slurs were heard on the radio transmissions or recordings.
Officers Kevin Randolph and Paul Bauer will face misdemeanor charges of assault and official oppression, Brown said. The two men, along with Officer Henry Duetsch, also each face a felony charge of tampering with or fabricating physical evidence.
Randolph, who was still on probation after being hired in March 2009, was fired Wednesday, Brown said. The other two officers face internal affairs investigations.
Three other officers were assigned to desk duty and also face internal investigations, Brown said.
The FBI has started a civil rights investigation, Brown said. The chief also said he planned to meet with several community groups later Wednesday.
J.J. Koch, Randolph’s attorney, said his client was fired because he had not completed his probationary period.
Randolph is “considered an at-will employee and they don’t have the appeals rights that other officers have,” Koch said. “Right now, it‘s simply a matter of waiting for the criminal process and waiting for the completion of the investigation and we’ll address issues as they come up.”
Bauer did not immediately return a message left by The Associated Press. Duetsch answered the phone at his home but hung up after confirming he was a police officer.
Collins’ father and pastor did not immediately respond to phone messages left by the AP. Collins has an extensive criminal record that includes convictions on drug, weapons and drunk driving charges, according to Texas Department of Public Safety records. Five of his previous eight arrests were by Dallas police, including one in April on drug charges.
Brown said he has dropped a resisting arrest charge against Collins. It wasn’t immediately clear if he will face other charges.
The incident began around 9:15 p.m. on Sept. 5, when Randolph and Bauer saw Collins riding a motorcycle on a sidewalk. Police try to pulled him over, and the video shows Collins repeatedly allowing police to close in before he speeds away.
On the video recording, one of the officers can be heard saying that he planned to “beat the (expletive)” out of Collins once they pulled him over.
It is unclear from the video whether Collins voluntarily pulled over or was bumped by the squad car. But the video shows his motorcycle tipping over, and the officers jumping out and striking him. They quickly subdue and handcuff Collins, the video shows.
Video from a second car arriving after Collins is handcuffed records the scene for several minutes. Then an officer walks toward the car, whistling. The camera then moves so Collins and the officers are no longer visible.
Brown said an officer deliberately moved the camera and Randolph and Bauer ignored their boss’ order to not chase after Collins.
Both officers were new to the department, and Brown said he wants to “review the pairing of young officers with each other.”
Brown also said he has spoken with Collins’ father and pastor, whom he described as being initially apprehensive.
“But once the conversation was complete, there was appreciation for the transparency and honesty,” Brown said.
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Associated Press writers Danny Robbins and Schuyler Dixon contributed to this report.
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hempstead1944
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:27amWould like to hear what the cops have to say……doesn’t appear the perp put up much resistance.
Report Post »mallsniper
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 8:15amThe police are not protectors of your rights as they enforce unconstitutional laws.
Report Post »They reherse ways to intimidate and bully the young.
They try to trample your constitutional rights and get VERY upset when you excersize those same rights.
They protect each others criminal behavior and hide behind a badge and gun.
Do you know how many government agencies have guns and the power to arrest?
Land of the free?
They ‘protect’ you?
Protect yourself!!
Remember… When seconds count, call the cops…they will be there in a couple of minutes!!
dezldummi
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:30amjust wonder if a citizen were to beat a cop, would their punishment be as severe as paid desk duty?
Report Post »free2bme1961
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:57amIf there is one thing that I detest the most in this world, it would be people that abuse their authority! Physical violence will never be okay in my eyes. To react with violence is clearly a sign of an unstable mind. To pull out the gun out and say “Stop! Or I will shoot” is to me, more humane than taking the situation into your own hands;… especially if a violent reaction to an out-of-“your”-control situation is your best form of communication. Unless this guy had a death wish, at least he would be given a choice to submit willingly, and if he didn’t, he would know he made that choice..psychological testing needs to be done for all involved! I would never feel comfortable around anyone that uses violence to prove a point…and that being, a cop, friend, spouse, civilian, parent etc. If these cops lose their jobs over this; they probably wouldn’t have a problem getting rehired if we end up in a “martial law” state in this country!
Report Post »pahalik
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:51amHere’s the bottom line and the end of the story. We, society, do NOT pay police to administer “justice”. We pay them to apprehend SUSPECTED criminals and book them. It is the job of our CITIZENS, serving on juries, to decide guilt or innocence. Not the police, the prosecutor, or the judge. The CITIZENS alone have that right. That‘s the way it is and that’s the way it should be. America, love it or LEAVE it!
Report Post »B52Bomber294
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:22amAs a former LEO I can say I applaud any Police Dept that fires officers for taking things too far, I was in the 70′s when cops could take you in the alley and kick the crap out of you and I did not like it then, but it was tolerated and cops would even drink on duty in those days and the watch commander would cover for them, you just had to kinda deal with it in a sense, I like the way so many Police Depts clean house nowadays, we are here to help and protect innocent citizens not kick the crap out of them just because you have an adrenaline rush, people depend on officers to be fair, the only reason someone should get smacked is if they get rough and disorderly, other than that issue the ticket, make an arrest and be done with it, I always did it that way and still would to this day !!.
Report Post »Daniel A. Roberts
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:43pmThere are good people and bad people, and any organization always gets some of both. Be it religious, government, or civilian. The problem here is where we need to focus on better training, education and a must do policy of psychological screening for anyone who is authorized to use any form of mental judgment on how to handle people during a moment such as this. I’ve known many law enforcement officers over my lifetime, and only a few gave me the creeps. You kind of know who they are when you meet them. A good cop will regard you as a human being and civilian worth protecting. A bad cop views you as a possible threat that may need to be dealt with. I just wish they would do a better job of screening so situations like int he video are reduced to being a rare thing, rather than the common thing we see today.
Report Post »urik84
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:34pmFirst let’s keep in mind that this guy was just running from the cops. Putting the lives of the cops and everyone else in jeopardy, were not talking an innocent man here. Second we can’t see what whether or not the man is resisting arrest or not. And believe it or not cops can actually hit you if you’re resisting arrest, they call that pain compliance. There trained to hit you in large muscle groups, so as not to cause permanent injury. If you watch the video it isn’t till later that they manage to get the cuffs on him.
Report Post »Now all that being said, turning the dash cams WTF guys. I’m not sure if we should charge the officers with a felony but they should most definitely be fired. I feel little pity for the man catching a quick beating. I worked as a bouncer in college, and can tell you for a fact irrational people (running from the police) only respect strength, and immediate consequences. We all have our natural fundamental rights but if you’re stupid enough to piss off a cop who is just as fallible as the rest of us, don’t expect their first response to be a cool headed thoughtful action witch respects your rights.
We ask these guys to do a extremely hard and dangerous job, if we find there not up to the task we should just say thank you please seek employment in another field.
Wyle E Coyote
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 5:54amRight on the mark. The guy’s rap sheet clearly shows a long history of not caring much for laws enacted to protect the safety of citizens.
“Collins has an extensive criminal record that includes convictions on drug, weapons and drunk driving charges, according to Texas Department of Public Safety records. Five of his previous eight arrests were by Dallas police, including one in April on drug charges.”
I really don’t think this incident is worthy of any firings, since it appears there is no serious injuries to the man. At least they are not reporting any. And with our hyper-sensitive media digging for such things, I’m sure that if he was, we would hear about it. What concerned me more is how quickly the report jumped on the race card, talking about the ethnic backgrounds of everyone involved. How about jumping on the tax cheat card? Or the divorce’ card? Maybe the high cholesterol card? I’m so sick of the race card! And a civil rights investigation? What the hell for? How about they investigate why this guy keeps getting out of jail in the first place? Well, that’s an easy one, but you get my point.
Unless the guy died, or it was a Rodney King style beating, you have to allow the cops some leeway in handling such incidents. They are as amped up at detaining him as he is in escaping. Mistakes will be made. Boundaries will be overstepped. But once the whole thing cools off, can we look at it and say that no long lasting harm is done, so man up? For the cops; moving the dash cam probably wasn’t going to help you in the long run. For you, five demerits and some probation. For the criminal; You’re a scumbag that deserves a long sentence as a result of a long series of criminal acts. For you, cone of shame and some jail time.
Law enforcement has to be one of the toughest jobs in the world. I couldn’t do it. I don’t have enough self restraint. Let’s all just man up, drop the race card, and allow the cops to put criminals in their place,.. IN JAIL! What do ya say?
Report Post »umrebel1991
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 11:32pmDidn’t look all that bad to me. All they did was hit him like 5 times with a baton and thats it. It’s not like he almost died. You could also clearly see him resisting arrest after he was on the ground. Looks like he deserved it to me.
Report Post »Venom
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:38pmDPD has crap like this all the time…not a big surprise really, just glad im in Fort Worth
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:24pmVAN replies truthfully, “I’m from Oklahoma and I understand your tale…Ah for those days, but we have to realize that times have changed and the country is a lot more crowded now and more ‘civilized’….”
I am pleased your daddy taught you of those old days when Americans still practiced true and deserved justice. This type of justice is an important part of our traditional American way of life.
There is a difference today, Van. Yes, we are crowded, there is a need for law and order for all, which includes law enforcement officers. This difference is within my rural community of old, all respected our laws, all knew this difference between right and wrong. We could trust each other to be judge, jury and executioner, although there was no executioners; I can count on one hand the number of people killed in the name of justice. Difference is back then we could trust each other to do right.
Today, no, there are too many of us, too many nuts out there. We cannot allow Wild West justice, this would lead to all kinds of problems. Although my attitude about justice seems harsh, I do fiercely agree we must hold our law enforcement officers accountable for their actions. We must do this. Pains me to concede those Texas officers, most likely, acted wrongly perhaps unlawfully.
We know the boy deserved a beating just like Rodney King, but we cannot allow police brutality to happen. This is destructive for our society.
Nonetheless, I do know most of us silently cheer when police give a criminal a good beating.
Our failure is not our police officers rather ours is a failure to mead out real justice. Too many criminals are treated with kid gloves, too coddled and cuddled. We need more real justice like an infamous sheriff down in Arizona hands out, along with handing out pink underwear and pink socks.
Meanwhile, liberal federal judges here in California are about to set free forty-thousand prisoners because jails are overcrowded which is “cruel and unusual” punishment. Society will suffer crime, some horrific crime, because we are not willing to administer swift and true justice.
Two daughters of two families, Chelsea King and Amber Dubois, are dead because of sissified bleeding heart left liberals.
Our police officers are not the problem. True problem is our society is too civilized.
You daddy, Van, is a smart man for teaching you so well and you should pass along his lessons to your children and your grandchildren.
Okpulot Taha
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van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:44pmWhy thank you, I agree 100%. I do try to pass this along even though it is sometimes difficult to not say ‘to hell with it, give them the justice they deserve’. My wife, an attorney, and I both think the same way but do have some lively discussions about Law and the lack of Justice, she is perhaps more Conservative than I am but is restrained by her training where I am not.
Report Post »Bunnie
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:05pmWhat a shame all of the way around.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:36pmLooks to me this motorcycle boy earned his beating. Quite clear this motorcycle rider displays calloused disregard for others, such as other drivers, people walking on this sidewalk, children standing in front of a toy store….
Equally clear this motorcycle boy made an overt attempt to escape justice. His actions earned this beating; he deliberately endangered the lives of the many. Had this criminal ran over and killed some children, would we be so compassionate?
During my childhood in rural Oklahoma, we enjoyed true justice, a type of swift justice based upon a philosophy of, “He needed killing.” I witnessed this type of justice many times and I personally administered this type of justice a number of times. We did not routinely kill people, killing was very rare, but we did enjoy giving some severe beatings then running them out of our community.
I dealt out a number of black eyes to some abusive boys. Those boys never messed with me again.
A well known event is a Choctaw woman, the ugliest and meanest Choctaw squaw in McCurtain county, killed her drunkard abusive husband. She choked him to death right there in front of our school bus. Upon killing him, she tossed his body on Weyerhaeuser railroad tracks for a train to sweep away.
Nothing came of this. None reported her to our county sheriff who routinely bought white lightning from our family. No investigation, no ruckus. Her husband was a well known drunkard and he was equally well known for beating his Choctaw wife. He needed killing. Swift justice was served.
If there was a ruckus this was an annoyance of having to drag his body off those railroad tracks so he would not ran over by a train making a mess harder to clean up.
Of course, within our modern sissified society, swift justice is no longer allowed. I understand why those police officers beat the boy. Maybe this motorcycle boy was physically resisting arrest? In any case, this motorcycle boy earned himself a beating; he is a clear and present danger to society.
During my childhood, this motorcycle boy would have been shot dead on the spot. No fuss, no muss, justice is served and no future problems are guaranteed; he is dead.
He needed killing.
Okpulot Taha
Report Post »Choctaw Nation
van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:48pmYou know what’s funny, I’m from Oklahoma and I understand your tale, it made me laugh and remember some of the stories my father used to tell me, he was about a quarter Choctaw. Ah for those days, but we have to realize that times have changed and the country is a lot more crowded now and more “civilized” than it used to be so we have to live within the confines of the Law, all of us. But I have to admit there are many times I wish we didn’t.
Report Post »Mwshipwreck
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 1:49pmi can understand you saying that he deserved a beating, but shooting him dead on the spot? for a little joy riding? we don’t give police the authority to execute suspects, because this is effin’ america. innocent until PROVEN guilty. we give police guns and batons to PROTECT themselves and the public. this biker immediately laid on the ground and threw his hands up.
if you run a red light, fail to maintain a single lane, speed, play with matches, etc etc, do you also deserve to be shot dead on the spot because of the possibility that someone might have gotten hurt?
good thing you’re not in charge.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 1:56pmMW SHIP WRECK comments, “i can understand you saying that he deserved a beating, but shooting him dead on the spot? for a little joy riding?”
Yep, shoot the boy dead right on the spot. He was not joy riding, he was blasting down a sidewalk populated by pedestrians. He was evading Dallas police and endangering the public. This motorcycle rider is a psychotic criminal who is a clear and present danger to society.
We shoot rabid dogs, this boy is a rabid dog.
MW SHIP WRECK adds “…this biker immediately laid on the ground and threw his hands up.”
Nope, the boy took off running to evade arrest and he resisted arrest after being tackled. Pure luck he did not draw a gun and shoot those officers. Had he killed a police officer, killed a little girl standing near, would you think differently, or maybe be truthful?
MW SHIP WRECK asks, “if you run a red light, fail to maintain a single lane, speed, play with matches, etc etc, do you also deserve to be shot dead on the spot because of the possibility that someone might have gotten hurt?”
Nah, just shoot their tires off, maybe blow out a back window with a shotgun.
Reminds me of G-men shooting bullet holes in a front fender of an uncle’s 1952 Chevy. Those revenuer boys thought my uncle to be running white lightning. He was not, he had already made his drop. Nonetheless, no objections to their punching holes in his fender. We expected to be shot at while running bootleg booze. We accepted consequences of our actions, and usually enjoyed a good laugh. Not much funnier than G-men wearing government suits roaring along aside your car trying to shoot your tires off.
This is all about responsibility, accountability and consequences.
Consequences of this motorcycle boy deliberately committing crimes and deliberately endangering the lives of the many is he will collect millions to compensate for his receiving a deserved beating. He will blow all his money on drugs and hookers then end up in jail, just like Rodney King.
MW SHIP WRECK closes, “good thing you’re not in charge.”
Sure enough, I would bring law and order to our America. We cannot have that.
Okpulot Taha
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CherryBomb
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:35pmAnd, this is going to be a PAY DAY for the criminal. Never mind that he was breaking the law, taunting the police, has a rap sheet longer than the day, he is going to cash out in a big way. Personal responsibility should be practiced on BOTH sides and this scumbag doesn’t deserve anything but a jail cell, a long stay, and maybe a boyfriend named Big Bubba.
Report Post »BilboBear
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:24pmI agree, the video showed here does look very bad. I would like to see where the strikes were on the body by the officer that ran up with the baton. From what I can see the other officer making strikes with his fist are acceptable cause he was trying to get the suspects hands in a “cuffable” position. The actions by the officer with the baton appear completely unacceptable.
Report Post »Okpulot Taha
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:57pmBILBO BEAR comments, “The actions by the officer with the baton appear completely unacceptable.”
Yes. The officer should have simply drawn his hand gun and shot the boy. Problem solved.
Saddens me Wild West justice is no longer administered. However, I acknowledge we cannot have police officers beating and shooting criminals in our modern sissified times. This would be problematic.
This incident prompts me to think of California’s new “Chelsea Law” to keep in prison for life those who are child sexual predators. This law is a result of John Gardner brutally raping and horrifically killing two young teenage girls, Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.
Reason John Gardner was able to rape and kill those two daughters of a family is left liberals coddled and cuddled John Gardner, a previously convicted violent child molester. Left liberals let him out of prison early, did not keep track of him, simply set him free to prey upon little girls.
Strikes me those young girls, those daughters would still be alive, if this monster, John Gardner, had simply been shot dead the first time he attacked and brutalized a young girl.
Nope. Our modern society views criminals, most oddly, as victims of society.
This motorcycle boy is free or will be set free. He will continue to commit crimes against society, he will continue to endanger society. Eventually he will kill someone or kill an entire family. Death of innocent people seems to be a requirement before society will administer true justice.
Okpulot Taha
Report Post »Choctaw Nation
van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:17pm@okpulot taha, you’re right it is sad that it very well could come to that because the progressives see this young mans problems as caused by society. Frankly I don’t care why he has problems he is a danger to society and probably should be in prison for an extended period of time and if when released he starts the same crap or worse then he should spend the rest of his life in prison. But the only way to change the way the Court system works is to change the way our politicians think by electing Conservative people and limiting the length of time they can serve so that they are gone before they become to corrupted by the power.
Report Post »CherryBomb
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:23pmBlah blah blah blah blah. No doubt, but when are we going to get ANGRY at the criminals that continue to cost our society money and lives. When a cop steps out of line, let the hand wringing begin, you’re ready to convict them.
Report Post »Maybe it is time to look into the court system, but, I’m tired of hearing these mealymouthed stories about the cops the cops the cops when this scumbag CLEARLY needed a beat down.
van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:35pmI don‘t know if we saw the save video but I didn’t see anything that indicated that he needed a “beat down”. What I did see is that he needed to be handcuffed and arrested. I could never be a police officer because I don’t have the temperament for it as I would probably give him a beat down, thus I shouldn’t be allowed to be an officer. But we do have a jury system in America and it should be used or we will devolve into anarchy.
Report Post »CherryBomb
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:59pmYou say you could never be a police officer, but you play Monday morning quarterback, while they are out cleaning up the streets, risking their lives, so that you can live in a civilized society.
Report Post »van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:31pmWhen I say I could never be a police officer I mean I don’t know if I would have the self restraint necessary to do the job correctly as 99% of our police do. I have a lot of respect for them for the restraint that most of them show when dealing with the scum of the earth.
Report Post »Pizentu
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:22pmThose two police need to be fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plain and Simple!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:17pm@cherrybomb and jms, come on, America is a country of Laws. As a Conservative I firmly believe that, if we begin to think like a mob or lynch mob then we are really no better than the muslims and many other people in 3rd world countries around the world.
Report Post »If this criminal has such an extensive record then we need to look at why our court system isn’t working the way it should. Catch them, try them and put them in prison, don’t beat them.
JMS
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:01pmGive me a freakin break! I think we should let anyone criticizing these cops spend a little time in a dark alley with the guy these cops were chasing. Let’s see how they feel about the cops then.
Report Post »CherryBomb
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:58pmCollins has an extensive criminal record that includes convictions on drug, weapons and drunk driving charges, according to Texas Department of Public Safety records. Five of his previous eight arrests were by Dallas police, including one in April on drug charges.
This scumbag is costing us money….can we have a raffle to take a whack at him? Seriously, if more criminals were beaten, the less they would be obliged to break the law.
Report Post »BibleBrain
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:17pmI personally do not want to live in a society that you describe. You’re calling for tyranny. We The People set up a government in America to protect us from such rule. Only a judge, following the law, can sentence the punishment upon this man, only after he has been tried and convicted by a jury of peers and given due process etc. etc. Why don’t we value our freedoms anymore???
Report Post »BilboBear
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:39pmI work in a county where the only charges that will keep you in jail for a decent amount of time are Class A Felonies. Like rape, murder, and armed robbery. Recently a drunk male got into a fight with the husband of female he was seeing and fired eight shots at his vehicle as the husband drove away. This took place in a residential neighborhood. The male was caught on scene with the gun in his possession(with no permit) and he admitted to firing the shots. Officers on scene were told to call a detective and the detective said to just let the guy go and they will investigate it later. So many heavily populated counties do not have the jail space to properly hold criminals. Criminals are aware of the situation and know that if they are caught they will be let out on bond in 24 hours or less. There are no serious consequences for crime (at least in the county where I live).
Report Post »Astroman
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:43pmAnd if innocent law abiding citizens get beaten along with the criminals that will be Okey Dokey with you right?
Report Post »metalmeisterdude
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:51pmIf your caught in the act, maybe you rate a beating. It’s like a grown-up lickin.
Report Post »I am 'We the People
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 10:12pmI agree that there is outrage at the lack of penalty for crimes, but beating is the way of marxist’s like hitler. What should happen is that the criminals should be put to work for their sentence. They should work hard labor.
Report Post »BilboBear
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 12:21amDon’t get me wrong…I am in no way approving of the actions shown in the video. I was just responding to the comments by Cherry and Bible. The one officer with the baton should be criminally charged.
Report Post »Deutscher
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 1:04am@ Ian we the people. Hitler was not a Marxist. The NAZIs came to power by blaming communists for the burning of the Reichstag.
Report Post »M31Sailor
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:49pmCan’t wait for Obummer to claim these police acted stupidly (which in this case they may have) .Time for a beer
Report Post »Lori
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:49pmIt’s a tough job being a cop dealing with the underbelly of our society, but it’s worse when a few idiots and poorly trained or poorly screened cops act like they are a part of that underbelly.
Report Post »van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:47pmBased on what the video shows these policemen should be charged with assault. No one needs police like this.
Report Post »van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:53pmCorrect my previous entry, “felony assault”.
Report Post »stephenb.net
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 1:48pmYou can’t even see what the perp is doing! What do you mean nobody deserves a beating like this. He was struggling when the cop tried to put cuffs on him, who knows what else that you can’t see. I tell you what, you take on the thugs and criminals in the world for a few weeks and see how fast you give one of them the wood shampoo.
Report Post »Augustus Cicero
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:29pmIf you attacked anyone with a baton you’d stand a good chance of being charged with Assault with a Deadly Weapon and maybe even Attempted Murder. Since these JBT’s are behind a badge they get treated like the Hollyweird Elite. The two JBT’s in the video should be put under the jail. This kind of stuff is happing far too often in this country.
Report Post »BibleBrain
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:47pmThere is a reason this kinda craziness happens: Leadership! Leadership is responsible for the culture, attitude, priorities, within their domain. This is a failure of the schools that trained those officers, of those who oriented them after they were hired, and those who set an example of the kind of professionalism the good people of Dallas deserve. The only good thing to say about the Dallas police’s leadership is that they fired these officers. But it would be better if they took reak responsibility and resigned!
Report Post »thecommish58
Posted on September 17, 2010 at 8:16amPersonal responsibility – to say that the fault should be pointed at those in “leadership” is simply an attempt to misdirect…intuitively a normal person know this behavior is wrong – no amount of leadership will keep this from happening as a isolated occurence – however if its a trend in the department then it may be leadership related.
Report Post »GlennBeckIsADemagogue
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:40pmI was very relieved when my son chose to quit his job as a cop and go back to school. It has to be the worst job in the world. This video looks pretty bad.
Report Post »Thirteenth Paladin
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:54pmDemafogue, you make it sound like you were relieved that your son decided to come back out of the closet when he decided to back to school. Most cops are good, hard-working protectors of our rights. Just because these guys could uphold that standard doesn’t make them all bad. I guess your son couldn’t uphold the standard either?
Report Post »Thirteenth Paladin
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 8:57pmWhen a cop breaks the law. he or she belongs in jail. Don’t you dare lump them all into the same basket, but then that’s what you do with those of us who believe in what the TEA Part represents.
Report Post »van
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:22pm@THIRTEENTH PALADIN, absolutely right. over the years I’ve had lots of friends who were officers and all of them were good, hardworking people who loved their work and honestly felt they were helping society (and they were). But bad cops shouldn’t be tolerated.
Report Post »GlennBeckIsADemagogue
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:26pm13th paladin. We apparently share a lot more in common than you think. However, i think you must have completely misconstrued what little i had to say. I can understand that you don’t like my user name on this site, but i don’t understand the source of your assertions and suppositions. Relax, dude.
Report Post »Trance
Posted on September 15, 2010 at 9:49pmI trained in martial arts for a few years. This was a gym that trained a wide range of fighters from professional to begginer. There were at least 5 or 6 police officers that trained as well. As a non-officer, I was shocked at the stories about half of them told. In fact, one of the cops cheap shotted me in 1 round of sparring more than anyone at the gym. It was easy to tell the cops that were legit, and those that had the ego to not only break the law, but spit on everything this country is supposed to be. This kind of thing happens far more than it should, and they should be punished accordingly.
Report Post »JJ Coolay
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 3:14amWhen was the camera moved? I didn’t notice that??
Nonetheless, these guys went off the handle right quick with that biker.
Report Post »Not cool.
phoenixbetrayal
Posted on September 16, 2010 at 7:58amwhether in a uniform or out, there are still good and bad people.
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Posted on September 16, 2010 at 11:29pmYou can ask any cop; this exact scenario is taught, trained and reviewed over and over. The use of force by all U.S. law enforcement agencies, from County sherriff to the F.B.I. use of force is simple . You will use the minimum amount of force to control the situation. Police are not the judge , jury and executioner. when control of the suspect is gained, use of force stops. an officers perception of immenent threat will indemnify the officer. i feel for the officers, but this is clearly a stressful situation where they lacked leadership to stop.
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